The Melee Legend That Never Wavedashed: Borp

[@justsomeguy7042]

Pittsburgh’s two flagship players are a luigi who can seemingly misfire on command, and a sheik with no tech skill whatsoever. GOATED region.

[@luwitktcd]

there are only like 2 spacies in our local scene nowadays as well. we might have more zeldas than falcos

Hey we got Polish too

[@zaneghiskhan]

Who is the Luigi??

[@tejjn]

​@@zaneghiskhan abate

[@jayisasalad]

*cries in Philadelphia*

[@volkspanzer8444]

Average melee player: By doing things very quickly, I can do more things than my opponent. Borp: By doing things very quickly, my opponent makes more mistakes than me.

[@jenarogonzalez5151]

Precisely i play like this not borp but hey it gets me to elite smash

[@titsbitchmcgee7502]

Melee players got memed into spending hundreds of hours learning asinine Melee-specific tech. Borp decided to focus on learning fighting games instead.

[@owendispensa8953]

*joins tournament *refuses to wavedash *refuses to L cancel *permanently damages the brain of everyone in his bracket *leaves

[@xanderg9370]

Complete gigachad

[@noThankyou-g5c]

u cant rlly l cancel on sheik any way

[@AlbanianThrash]

he's just standing there MENACINGLY

[@ultimapower6950]

Chad

[@rileyf1178]

*Spot dodges 7 times in a row *Opponent tries to punish the spot dodges *Proceeds to punish the opponent for trying to punish the spot dodges

[@ZyferscrollLP]

That is what sakurai intended a pro player would look like

[@stuartdparnell]

Sakurai thinks like: gg go play some brawl next

[@thechugg4372]

"The man who never dashed" Would be his brawl title

[@alexanderavila4662]

yes your right

[@DavidSartor0]

@@thechugg4372 Haha.

[@PhilipWester]

Borp is a Sakurai plant, confirmed.

[@CTL]

With his brother being Pannenkoek, I guess it runs in the family to purposely restrict yourself to enhance creativity and problem solving.

[@Kraznan]

Wait, ABC SM64 Pannenkoek?

[@nellerboo]

@@Kraznan YES LOL I saw it on wiki the other day and was so weirded out

[@prodMAggs]

He beats foxes with half an a press

[@GTM_]

WHAT that is so absurd LOL

[@pwnedd11]

Whoa... we always talk about families where there are multiple music prodigies or athletes... but how about their family with multiple video game prodigies?!?

[@honeybadgerzombie1159]

Toph may have won the battle, but you saw those facial expressions. Borp won the war and made so many players look the fool, I love melee narratives they’re literally lore

[@makeitthrough_]

If you have to play a top-tier character and resort to wavedashing and cringy tryhard shit like that, you lose by default. Apollo Creed may have won on a decision that first time, but some no-name from Philly went the disance and that's all anyone in the sequel could talk about until the rematch

[@rorbot_SMF]

@@makeitthrough_ I always thought doing that extra shit in Smash was dumb. It's not as complex a game as some truly believe.

[@jacobesterson]

@@rorbot_SMF It's just how the meta evolves, nothing stupid about it. One player finds tech and gains an advantage, which forces other players to learn the tech in order to maintain equal footing. It's just that when there's so much tech going off (much of which require precise inputs) it becomes harder and harder to maintain good fundamentals. It doesn't necessarily matter if you can pull off a given tech or not when your opponent is just far better at, for example, spacing. Nevertheless it takes an insane amount of fundamental skill to be able to surpass people who're pushing the game to it's absolute technical limits. Borp is a god.

[@jasonanno3881]

I mean it depends on your level. I think you can be a good player without tech and a lot of people focus on tech over fundamentals and suck mentality but you can never be a top top player without some of that tech

[@rorbot_SMF]

@@jacobesterson I made my point, and your paragraph doesn't invalidate that. That's all I gotta say on the matter.

[@zigzagofdoom]

To clarify, there is footage out there of Borp's fox playing extremely technically for about 2 seconds. Borp CAN do all these things, he just restrains himself from soing so.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

Damn, so he's doing the equivalent of wearing weighted clothing to restrict himself.

[@jimiyu.]

anyone know where to find this footage

[@zigzagofdoom]

@@jimiyu. I cant for the life of me remember but there's a solid chance it's just in a grsmash vid

[@starofaetherius]

Like Gokus fucking weighted clothing. One day hes gonna snap and become the next melee god

[@soapsatellite]

It's like Ichiro Suzuki not hitting for power even though he absolutely could've

[@ChaosPootato]

I can't get enough of Borp getting away with spamming spot dodges, it's just so funny

[@crisdeluna9069]

F Tilt spot dodge is OP lol

[@dmullen1994]

Borp came to friendlies once a few years ago and 4 stocked me with Kirby.

[@makeitthrough_]

Borp strikes me as the sort of guy who could speedrun Spelunky with the ball and chain

[@Thethreestories]

theres nothing "friendly" about that

[@PinkManGuy]

@@Thethreestories Do you know what friendlies means in this context? Would you like someone to explain it to you?

[@Thethreestories]

@@PinkManGuy yes and no

[@DavidSartor0]

@@Thethreestories Haha.

[@eddiestilll]

common slippi kid problem nowadays, players that know how to do advanced techs like ledge dashing but don't have good fundies or make poor options in game LOL borp is a legend

[@tonysoprano4883]

I'm a fairly experienced player who never focused so much on technical and flashy stuff. I rely on fundamentals like shffling, wavedashing etc but I often win over players in my own league who are a lot more technical. They're usually very easy to exploit because they have less "ingame IQ". With that being said, someone who's technical and smart will most likely outplay me every time.

[@Cowboybebub]

I wasted the first year or so of playing practicing tech skill because I assumed if I could be fast and controlled with my character, I would insta win.

[@overweightactor]

You see it in other games, too. Like Tekken movement. At a certain level in Tekken, there are scrubs that dash in and out crazy fast, but still lose and rage about how you must suck because you didn't even Korean backdash.

[@galimardmamanw4608]

@@Cowboybebub my friend used to beat my ass and all he would do at night is train his wavedash. I never play when im alone. So all i could do is watch videos and try to build a gameplan around what pros would do in certain situation. People tend to forget that people with a godlike core are the ones that get dubs. Started besting his ass senseless ever since then

[@eftorq]

​@@Cowboybebub the perfect middle ground for me is practicing tech skill to be faster and controlled, but also think and study others to know what to do with the speed. I often run around an empty stage, just imagining what routes would fit in what situation

[@gabaghoul2589]

I started playing melee around the time borp was all the talk in the community so while my friends would play someone would yell "BORP HIM" it was then proceeded by slow walking and spot dodgeing.

[@lotion5238]

Grade A Bit

[@fnytnqsladcgqlefzcqxlzlcgj9220]

if im going to switch to playing like a skilled amateur in any game im using that *playing intermediate* "brb, Borping" playing super simple

[@breezeless_7665]

He isn’t flashy, he is just being himself and won everyone’s heart just by doing that, what a legend

[@bolladragon]

Instead of learning how to break his hands to wave dash, he chose to train his brain to break opponent’s nerves. I respect it.

[@Jackiewheelz]

I love that the dude in the back witnessed the first time borp wavedashed and alerted the commentators. What a flex from Borp

[@AceWolf456]

I love the smile he gets when the commentators start freaking out. It’l like he’s been wanting to say “yeah, I CAN, but I won’t.”

[@mikblues_146]

@@AceWolf456 He even smiled before doing it!

[@RisingJericho]

As a Tekken player, my first reaction is "Well no shit you can get good results without needing advanced movement", but I keep reminding myself that in Melee, you really do need it if your name isn't Peach. This is genuinely sick.

[@Frichilsasta08]

Peach is probably one of the most technical characters but her downsmash will get you far with low-level-mid players

[@rapidretrovenue563]

@@Frichilsasta08 Peach bypasses L cancels. I've legit spoken to solo peach mains and when they play other characters they have no clue on L canceling and ledgedashing. Peach has her little float and djc tech but she skips a big chunk of universal tech.

[@rapidretrovenue563]

Also don't forget puff lol

[@Frichilsasta08]

@@rapidretrovenue563 it's a slow workday in the office so I'm sending a dissertation. Yeah, she doesn't have to shuffle Nair shine Nair pressure, but she's also a floaty. In terms of universal tech, she def has to take advantage of sdi in or out when it comes to fighting fox's correctly or she can die incredibly early to shine upsmash, or sdi falco dair correctly. She has to def take advantage of shield drop aerial for her movement since she's slow af, and her options from ledge are super frame tight due to limited options. She also has the ability to no impact land immediately tech chase on platforms like battlefield. You'll see trif and llod do it. Float cancel does make landing easier but you still have to be good with movement after the float cancel, like jumping immediately and up airing to catch an opponent jumping out of shield or float cancel Nair into dash attack when reading a roll. There's a lot of Peach specific stuff like item tossing turnaround Bair for movement options, instant turnip dropping that you'll see Llod do in-between stocks, or even turnip pull slideoffs which I never see Peach pros use but I suppose it's too difficult for the reward. Another cool think ryobeat will do is double jump cancel backwards fair for movement options...like the fair animation won't even finish but Peach can kinda retreat a bit faster than normal.

[@darcyuchiha938]

@@rapidretrovenue563 same could be same the other way around plenty of people who dont touch peach thatt cant do a single proper djc or float cancel or play yoshi or something its just a different playstyle doesnt make the character less technical or less difficult

[@shadownite3378]

Borp in a lot of ways reminds me of morsecode762 in terms of playstyle. They play rather stationary and static, defensively reacting to their opponents approach

[@stuartdparnell]

Yeah, what Sakurai actually intended with Brawl

[@supershadow125]

Borp has been an inspiration for me when I watched him and learned about him from a long time ago. With his style of play and understanding, I shifted a focus from learning and getting better with neutral and trap players to remove options

[@csharpcoffee]

Borp is basically the Rock Lee of melee. He has 300 kg tied to his ankles, and when the weights are dropped, all hell breaks loose.

[@Mr36Chamberz]

Man, I wish I knew about competitive Melee back then.

[@Lil_Homie]

It's never too late to join homie :)

[@tylerspeegle108]

​@@Lil_Homie games dead bro

[@randomdud7733]

​@tylerspeegle108 Melee's lived for years, maybe even more then a decade, it's not dying anytime soon

[@nahometesfay1112]

​@@tylerspeegle108Do you realize how many tournaments there are? People don't talk about them unless top players go, but Melee has a lot left in the tank.

[@june9914]

@@tylerspeegle108 low quality b8

[@sikkableeat5614]

I liked it when Borp said "IT'S BORPIN' TIME" before every set.

[@jackdaone6469]

And then he borped all over the map.

[@cloudleoricrivera5010]

And borped the crowd

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

​@@cloudleoricrivera5010 Dude 😂

[@mr.mazoku1305]

Ive hungout with borp at a big tournament afterparty very nice and chillax person.

[@uraccountcrashed8845]

I'm just like Borp except I suck at Melee

[@joemanginaa]

Amazing video about the legend. Loved it. I also love that Waff quote you put in with regards to borps cluthness. “I think with borps style, it’s so simple, it’s really hard to choke.”

[@an3582]

What does Cluthness mean? Im guessing its a scene term.

[@nahometesfay1112]

​@@an3582It means performing well in high pressure situations. It's used in many sports.

[@3liteGamer4Life]

Do you guys mean... clutchness?

[@nahometesfay1112]

@@3liteGamer4Life For sure I didn't even notice it was misspelled

[@joemanginaa]

Yea it was misspelled

[@floatingshoppinglist5193]

Excellent video. Very smooth and entertaining. Well spoken too. Borp is a very interesting character. Many geniuses tend to blend in with average people.

[@auraguard0212]

He's the natural evolution of Hungrybox; "I don't have to move fast if I can outplay the other guy".

[@syd1467]

Both him and his brother are prodigies of their respective games

[@strikermodel]

2:25 This is actually the most baseline fighting game fundamental. By mixing up your base actions just enough, you make the enemy question if they're timing their blocks or attacks correctly. You can then take advantage of their hesitation. Borp is the kinda of player who follows the mind set of "a man who does one thing 1000 times is a master of that one thing. A man who does 1000 things one time each is a master of none." 2:48 "Septermber" lol

[@asktoybox]

As an old school style of gamer myself, I understand what Borp was trying to prove here. Fundamentals are incredibly important, moreso than any tier list or current meta. I've played many games where people lean so hard into what is 's tier' or 'meta' but seem to be lacking in even the most basic mechanical skill when it comes to the game itself, and they rely entirely on these things to carry them through their games. I saw this a lot in the early years of Overwatch, where people would constantly just use meta picks or swear by ranking systems, but when you actually played them they were incredibly easy to read because they simply copied what they were told without understanding the basics of the game itself. Back when I began playing games, we didn't have leagues, or internet guides, tier lists or tournaments. You picked up a controller, and you learned to play by trial and error, until you figured out what worked best for you. I feel people like Borp understand this, and even if they could play the same way that others do to get an advantage, I can tell he's trying to teach people that what people think is 'meta' is only psychological thing.

[@tokisuno]

glad to see modern coverage on this legend.

[@koukikubota9847]

This was super super well done -- you weaved the narrative together masterfully! I really enjoyed this video, thank you!

[@chicha400]

0:24 I mean look at this fox nair shining thin air, wasting energy at the expense of his hand health whilst borp just chilling ready to flick down on the Cstick. Borp’s such a legend

[@_fudgepop01]

The mental game of melee is extremely fascinating to me. In a way, it’s like “camping” but in your face - borp’s is an especially good way to obliterate opponents that are expecting to fight a particular style and cover particular options by doing the “wrong” move, of which there is a much higher chance of happening if the target is known to risk flubbing tech skill. I cannot consistently get into that mindstate, but when I do it feels like I’m able to marry the mental and physical games into one and perform some of my favorite moments

[@luputtaja]

As a scrub ultimate player thinking about trying melee this is exactly the kind of inspiring video I was looking for

[@elgatochurro]

Melee players: moving around without purpose and using glitches is skill Borp simply not having a seizure:

[@tka6781]

Borp is actually so good at Melee he handicaps himself or it would get boring winning every tournament.

[@liltwistedgamer]

Doing this playing as a low tier is basically an insult to other player. I did this with Roy and pichu, I made three players quit after the first stock and made one player say I had a bad connection. It was funny.

[@SpookyLion]

Honestly man, if you made an hour long video including all his philosophical ideals I would watch and love every minute of it.

[@Commander_Appo]

I love how every melee player history video is always about some dude with the worst name ever. I feel like I’m 3 clicks away from finding a video on some guy named “Big Ball Bob” who was like a top pichu or something

[@shadowofchaos725]

The fact that the footage of Borp doing wavedashing for like 20 seconds made the commenters lose their minds goes to show how successful Borp was at proving their point. I was not aware of this legend's existence before I saw this video but man I consider myself rooting for them now. lol He's just spot dodging there. *MENACINGLY*

[@rainbowGZUS7]

All his tech went into lining up those sick sideburns

[@thenewseorarek9625]

Not only is it very interesting how his spotdoges work, its also rather hilarious

[@kelbi1603]

This was a great video thank you for taking the time to make it, I'm not huge into the melee scene and had never heard of Borp this was interesting and entertaining. You deserve more subs for sure, keep up the hard work.

[@puffin9561]

This was very cool, I knew about Borp through the grapevine but getting to see a dedicated video to the man is really awesome!

[@WolfyRagnarok]

I don't even play Smash, but this was a really fun video to watch. Thanks for the work you put into this!

[@kikewickens6324]

Didnt know Nakamaru, my favorite chess player, played melee.

[@jasonanno3881]

Hikaru mains young link. He stays with the wooden shield

[@kikewickens6324]

@@jasonanno3881 LMAO

[@JODA93]

Knowing how player's minds operate is a more useful skill

[@VestedUTuber]

As someone who, due to fucky hand joints, physically can't do many of the techs for comp melee, Borp is a bit of an idol for me.

[@popanda3652]

same, years of working on heavy machinery has left my hand slow and a bit clumsy. reads are all i have left lol

[@yoyoprofessorxavier]

Using the mechanics to the fullest in the game is not required per se but knowing that there's someone out there who is doing it good without the crazy tech means they definitely know something is up.

[@crossux]

Every time Borp does a sucessful spot dodge, i imagine the first seconds of Ultra Instinct Goku theme playing.

[@ThePieGuy3]

I like how the 2010 tierlist at 2:00 is very clearly in a state close to today's....except for funny dinosaur Thank you based amsa

[@jacobingram8152]

21:22 I honestly enjoyed this video and admire your hard work for making and putting this out here, because I never knew about Borp. Only Melee players like Armada, M2K, Mango, Leffen, and others. Thanks again for this info. Keep up the good content!😁👍

[@SeikOsito]

I still love his Halo Reach vids he's been predicting player habits since forever

[@trademarked2476]

I’m so glad to have been your 1,000th subscriber, congrats! It’ll be your first milestone of many on your journey. Keep making this high quality content man good job!

[@FiddleGibbons]

Hey man, first time seeing anything from your channel. Really well-constructed video! The whole thing was super engaging! You had a perfect balance between conveying information and showing footage of the tournaments. You explained everything very well and your voice is easy to listen to. I was able to follow along completely as someone who has an interest in watching and a respect for the competitive Melee scene, though I only played it casually as a kid. Thanks for putting in the effort to create this! Subbed!

[@asapandy6855]

this one will actually longterm do numbers. smart thinking mr homie

[@BlueCardinal33]

Losing with 1 stock 60% against a wavedashing fox... not a loss. The guy's a winner.

[@thebeegfoot]

Now I have a new rabbit hole to dive down. Awesome vid my dude, definitely looking forward to future content!

[@jpVari]

this is a cool concept, from you and from this player. I love love love when players flip the knowledge we think we have on its head. Maybe things aren't as figured out as we tell ourselves... I'm of course not saying faster movement isn't a good thing to use generally, of course. just that thinking outside the box is harder than we think.

[@stubish5582]

He’s wavedashed a few times, but it wasn’t when they weren’t actually fighting. It was before a set.

[@SaiyanX5]

The golden ages of Melee. I love how raw everyone was back then, where even Toph was willing to throw down 💀

[@overweightactor]

My favorite story about Borp was when he said, "It's Borpin' time!" And proceeded to Borp all over the place.

[@makeitthrough_]

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[@minhv5513]

the thing about not teching is that you free up a lot of mental and physical energy to focus on straight fundamentals and reading your opponent. I play Melee with minimal tech (I L cancel sometimes) and have been told by many advanced players I could be amazing if I utilized more tech. I simply don’t have it in me to do all of that and am more focused on having fun 😂

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Yes that is a fair point. Doing advanced stuff does indeed give your more tools, but if you don't do them, you get to focus more on fundamentals and so on. Same thing can be seen in real life martial arts. Take Taekwondo for example: Some Taekwondo practitioners focus on throwing a lot of complex kicks and doing a lot of moves to trick you. These things do indeed work for their purposes. But thre are Taekwondoins who stick to the basics so they can use their energy to figure you out! So, if you were some kind of machine that can do all of these advanced techniques while also focusing a lot on your opponent and the mental warfare (like many of the top Melee players do), then sure, go for it! But i would recommend everyone else to play like this first

[@Khrene]

Borp: The Rock Lee of Meelee

[@werbizzy]

amazing vid, you introduced me to such a great player. keep at it bro

[@someeggplant]

It blows my mind that people don't just spam projectiles when borp is spot-dodge spamming. Borp is punishing his opponent's arrogance. Hilarious.

[@marzipancutter8144]

The amount of times Nakamaru tries to *grab* of all things when Borp spotdodges is insane. It basically never worked out but he kept doing it. 0 Adaptation.

[@Rpodnee]

Borp is my melee idol. I also play sheik and I also have very little tech skill. Half the time I don't even use the c stick for aerials, mostly due to muscle memory. I just play for fun!

[@tonysoprano4883]

He's amazing, but he's the opposite of fun to me. He's only playing to win, which is fine, but I personally don't consider his gamestyle as fun whatsoever.

[@Vernafveik]

A player literally making everyone else look like boy scouts in comparison without needing to rely on what is considered necessary tech People immediately begin downplaying him ☠️

[@Eichro]

As one wise youtube commenter said long ago, "Borp is so low tech he's amish"

[@clay2889]

I typically only watch smash ultimate content but something about your title and thumbnail lured me in. This video was awesome!

[@TheVocoderGuy]

I really enjoyed your video, well narrated and what an interesting competitor, so cool watching him stand there and hard read his opponents haha

[@patrickoconnell9387]

That part where Borp beats Toph was crazy

[@ShirakoriMio]

Borp is like that one MMO player who never goes past the first class/job and still kicks your ass LOL

[@linkshadow2]

Great video!! Please keep your passion in the future for this and anything else you find joy in!

[@Lil_Homie]

Means a lot! Hope you do the same ❤️

[@miaou972]

i love his style of play, what a niche and cool player. also he seems like a chill guy, its no wonder why he is so loved

[@burn1ngbunny]

ive been waiting so long for a video on Borp thank you so much, i love Borp so much

[@Felipera_]

We used to say that most people play the game, Borp plays his opponents.

[@alexlowe2054]

Amazing video, excellent editing, and a great story about an interesting player.

[@davidguay2222]

Sick video my guy

[@chullupa]

My friend played borp. He kept screaming when borp grabbed him to mess up his tech chase. Borp didnt seem too pleased and didnt say a word to him

[@simian4752]

Great watch, thanks for spotlighting a true melee legend

[@alexwood9941]

“Borp does an amazing combo” *dash attack upsmash*

[@Muji-Exempt]

a wise man once said it doesnt matter how many tools you have at your disposal but how you use them that counts

[@savzarororororororora]

Great video love the little stories about melee

[@jacobingram8152]

20:40 it's just like, knowing how pro of a player Borp already is, if he was to implement wavedashing and tech play in his tournament plays, he seem like he would honestly be UNSTOPPABLE! SERIOUSLY!

[@derekapollo3775]

Borp where ever you are…I love you bro you’re the bomb.

[@orrsh2049]

I played against borp in doubles at a pittsburgh local a couple of weeks ago. I think I got shieldgrabbed at least 10 times in one game. no matter what I did it just felt like I gravitated to the spot in front of his shield every single time. playing against him was so alien to everything else I've ever experienced in the game

[@Oh-Ben]

I'm sure he could be a top player if he did all that tech. But it's clear he wouldn't have fun. He has the mentality and reactions required. He proves fundies is golden.

[@willbarry77]

Really great video! Thanks for putting it together

[@l_______I]

Thanks bro, watching this made my mind go on a tangent and be happy about the people I'm close too

[@Lil_Homie]

Hope it all ends well in the end man. There is always something positive in your life that'll be there for you

[@chumba421]

People may goof on him for not using tech but to have success playing that way takes ABSURD game knowledge

[@DamnLUK]

well i think much of it comes from sheik as a character, that if u really think of it doesnt lose so much of its competetive capabilities when excluding techskill as much as other chars would do if u remove WD and Lcancel. I remember back then when no one of our guys knew about competetive melee, we used to hate how this character could combo so well :D we called it the breakdancer cuz of the downsmash spam and the ftilt dtilt and whatsoever being able to come out so fast and perfectly connects into each other

[@jakezepeda1267]

True. Techskill or not, Sheik has good buttons.

[@devynpon2707]

he’s literally just playing ult

[@tylerspeegle108]

As intended* ftfy

[@FreeShadow05]

Adore your content. Wishing you a long youtube career.

[@sonicrose8430]

20:45 the dude yelling ''oh my god he wavedashed!!!'' fucking killed me lmao

[@mnloring7867]

Channels doing good man keep it up love the content

[@solounhero]

banger video, keep up the good work dawg!

[@WildlandsGG]

Great video, appreciate the effort and time put into making it!

[@Ludvix]

gr8 vod

[@Lil_Homie]

Thank you Ludvix! Love you lollllll

[@Ludvix]

@@Lil_Homie rofl ay dm me on twitter tho?

[@JFox4587]

People say that mind games aren’t real, but all we’ve done is split that term into “baits” and “reads”. Simply put, this guy has mind games

[@trunk2365]

wtffff, aren't real ? I'm surprised that people saying this because for me, mind game is not just about when there is a binary choice or more, it's about reading EVERYTHING, at long term, you read every fucking step, way of jumping and attacking opponent etc... in fact im not so surprised because a lot of time (90% of time) I can see people literally playing like robot and changing a few things to their gameplay when things are bad, I can see that people hate to read others, but earing "mind games aren't real" is just a proof that some humans want to play a 1v1 game without playing with other people, they just want to learn combo's and tech because they saw this on a video, but it never go that far, for me, people are limiting themselves to a few choices, without thinking that you can literally mind everything

[@JFox4587]

@@trunk2365 Yep. Well said. Tho I don’t think people don’t believe in mind games, they just hate the term. But for some people, like borp, this is a perfect term. And most players pre M2k who were the best were the players with the best mind games. The reason M2k was nicknamed “the robot” was because he played differently from everyone back then- they all were winning by playing the player, while he was winning by covering the most options and punishing harder with each opening. (He still had mind games, they just weren’t why he was winning. He put punished you) Mango was a hybrid. He was insanely technical and could overwhelm you with pressure and force you to act how he wanted you to, and then he would read your option and punish. (He still is doing that to this day.) But because punish game wasn’t as developed, there were less flowcharts and it was less about mixups because there was less pressure, and it was more about baiting and reading. So mind games was the best umbrella term way of saying “they are winning neutral more by being the smarter player”

[@nahometesfay1112]

"mind games" is just super vague people prefer more specific terms

[@unicornmilk6158]

This was very well made and inspiring! You've earned my sub bro (So close to 1k! lets get it!)