The Messed Up Origins of The Fates (Moirai) | Mythology Explained - Jon Solo

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[@clarimm6675]

"Did they have parents or did the cosmos just fart them out of their giant space butt" a sentence I never thought I'd hear

[@gilbertsaberenriquez205]

Depends on which myth you read. Half say Zeus is the dad and a titaness is the mom, half say Nyx created them before that.

[@gilbertsaberenriquez205]

Oh, and the Zeus one says they hyperaged to crones upon birth

[@nolufefemaho891]

Or it canB that destruction and Gaia had more than just Uranus

[@gilbertsaberenriquez205]

@@nolufefemaho891 Dude, Gaia wished for Uranus and Tartarus to be made and it happened. And the Fates have either Nyx as their sole parent or Zeus and an titaness. The Fates didn't exist in the Titan era according to the original myth.

[@amyeaton882]

The moment he said that, I snorted and laughed like a ten year old. 😂

[@JoannaSergent]

Sometimes the Fates are depicted as a young woman, a middle-aged woman, and an old woman. This is to show the daughter, mother, and old crone stages of life.

[@JoannaSergent]

@@xanderliptak Yes. That is why they are often said to predict the past, present and future and their physical forms represent that as well. :D.

[@rainiaananda9327]

i 100% came to the comments because I was taught this, and wanted to see if anyone else knew that part of the myth.

[@yamitsukikarasu8857]

Artemis, Selene and Hecate are often portrayed this way too. I find it interesting since they're from the same mythology.

[@JoannaSergent]

@@xanderliptak Every once in a while you will see the male version of a Crone in the human depictions of Zeus and Hades or in Hephaestus in his god form. The Crone is often defined as a very old woman, it is only in the current religions that she is seen as a "witchy" figure. Basically, it is any woman after she has reached the stage of her life past menopause that she is indeed a Crone. I would be considered one because I am at that stage of my life myself.

[@JoannaSergent]

@@xanderliptak a crone is a middle-aged to old person is my point here. They are not always seen as a person with one foot in the grave.

[@pearheadperi]

“she’s known as the inflexible” I too am know as inflexible

[@eialys]

This made me laugh out loud so thank you

[@Moonberry.]

🤣

[@delilahdahlia247]

I've always found the children of Nyx so interesting. You've got the Fates, Moros (doom), Momus (satire and mockery), Eris (chaos and discord), and Nemesis (revenge and retribution) to name my favorites

[@BiteSizedCrafter]

Hmm Is she who they named the cosmetics company after? Nyx stuff is awesome btw. lol

[@delilahdahlia247]

@@BiteSizedCrafter probably, but I don't know

[@Shaabun]

These all just sound like my moods in 2020.

[@delilahdahlia247]

@@Shaabun same

[@dinerosainphar8610]

Don't forget Geras (old age )

[@clarimm6675]

"Lame but not in the way vests are lame" what a weird yet perfect explanation 😂 I guess now everyone knows exactly what kind of lame you mean

[@shuix4697]

I’ve always been curious about the fates

[@zasherakhan6957]

Me too

[@bingshorts4379]

Same as me

[@bonlesspizza5705]

I'm just here cuz I like his vids When I have a question I just read about them

[@yvngscpethesaucegd6141]

I thought they were jus weird

[@yvngscpethesaucegd6141]

All sharing 1 eye couldn’t be my sisters

[@quonit37]

In Greece 'virgin' meant unmarried not never having sex, by the way. The Catholics gave it that definition later.

[@jacobw4612]

Well, the Christians christianized a lot of other cultures' myths.

[@fae69s]

But then why would Medusa have been punished for having sex with Poseidon ?

[@jacobw4612]

@@fae69s Because they are at Athena's temple and Athena is a virgin? Or maybe because Ovid depicted Athena that way? Or maybe it's just the Christianized version?

[@sophiyageary6500]

Amara Agunwa because worshipers at the temple were meant to be pure in all ways especially for Athena because she represented wisdom and purity, so when she was r*ped inside of athenas temple Athena took it as an offense and punished Medusa for being a “slut” essentially. However in different versions of the story, Medusa was actually blessed by Athena to have the ability to turn people in to stones. Because then she could defend herself if that were to happen again to her. It depends on the region of Greece the story is being told from.

[@jessimarim_m9387]

I thought artimis was the virgin cause she didnt want or like men??

[@konstantinoskallianiotis3892]

Hey Jon, Random Greek guy here! I just want to say thank you for explaining to everyone our mythology. Also I want to say that ancient Greeks actually sometimes put the Fates higher than the gods and they believed that they had a big impact on them. Finally, I want to say that you should keep up the good work.

[@jacobw4612]

Yeah, I can tell from your name lol

[@lindafreeman6962]

The fates are indeed a different breed and the gods can't touch them, but they touch the gods. Snip their little strings. Their undoing. And I think they are ramping up now, scissors in hand.

[@abigailray4952]

Why can’t he be my history teacher.

[@orangejuice9102]

My history teacher is just teaching us politics and shit

[@ladyvermillion4661]

Ikr smh

[@clarimm6675]

The video has just been uploaded and there is one dislike already? What the hell? Why would you even dislike Jon's video, some people simply have no taste 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@popstalerfilm7782]

i actually see that a lot, a 35 minute long video just uploaded 10 min ago and alredy 2-5 dislike.

[@rockydee7499]

SIMP!

[@aliceisaperson]

It fine to dislike videos if your not enjoying them but I really don’t understand people who will just dislike a video without watching it. It’s ridiculous

[@byulharangforlife]

Bots?

[@4717-b7j]

@@byulharangforlife I think it's bots or maybe people just like being part of the smaller group like it's some club to be apart of the 10 dislikes on a video of obvious quality.

[@rashadm7478]

2:29 “Clotho, the one with the green skin who Hades macs on” 😂😂

[@rondajones7526]

I swear if they showed this dude in school kids would listen, he's so funny but does his research and knows his material.

[@abrahamgonzales1888]

10:15 celadon is indeed a city in pokemon.its in the Kanto region and home of the grass gym leader,Erika

[@Wolffang1996Hyano]

Which is where you get Eevee & Learn to gamble! XD

[@Buddy-Dale]

And its spelled Celadon

[@Steampunkkids]

Abe G thank you! I thought I remembered it from Pokemon Red

[@RogueOfShadows000]

Even more fun fact; Celadon, along w/ all Kanto Cities, are named after colors & are that color in the original games. Celadon is light greenish blue color. Like a green mint; more green than blue in this colors sake.

[@FaerieStar]

😂😂😂

[@andrawan76]

"...artemis sent a massive wild boar" me a smite player: "so this is where her ult come from, thanks jon~"

[@reeba4824]

Me: *already hit the like button * Jon: you'll get a puppy for your bday for liking! Me: 😱😱😱 No! I'm not ready for this responsibility!!!

[@spicylemon7475]

I'll take it if you don't want it, I could use two extra puppies

[@hopefulstarfish7559]

Maybe the puppy is a plushie?

[@ay2257]

I'm on a Seejonsolo diet. I see Jon Solo, i click.

[@v.forever]

how much weight do you lose a week from doing this

[@barbarahouk1983]

Lol

[@fae69s]

Lailah Jones you gain a few pounds from getting new knowledge. Highly suggest it for everyone

[@G-mountain863]

Since you’re doing a messed up origin of the fates, you should revisit this and talk about the DC version of the fates from legends of tomorrow.

[@blackheartlily]

Literally first thing I was thinking of, thanks for calling it out

[@G-mountain863]

blackheartlily 😂🤣😂 you’re welcome. Ps “of” a typo there

[@blackheartlily]

@@G-mountain863 fair enough, fixed it 😝

[@NekoEcho13]

Yeah, if he'd checked LoT first, he'd have known how to pronounce their names. So far, he's 0 for 3. 😆

[@G-mountain863]

NekoEcho13 I don’t think Zorey andWhatever her two sisters names would be in Greek mythology. LOL but I was just thinking that if he was doing The Disney version of their stories, then he should do a Nother video saying the Disney version in the DC version plus the Greek mythology and see what they have in common and what’s different.

[@maeahem]

Ooh, I love the Fates! Their threads and tapestry got me into mythology and storytelling. First time I’ve been this early as well 😊🌿

[@Epyrian04]

1:10 The word "Moirai" is pronounced "Me-ray." I'd want to know the past. It's the most interesting, as I can learn things which we've forgotten.

[@lonekirin905]

The Fates also appeared in the series Legends of Tomorrow

[@montaemorgan4677]

What season

[@herpyderp2778]

@@montaemorgan4677 the worst

[@lonekirin905]

@@montaemorgan4677 Season 5

[@yvngscpethesaucegd6141]

Wat ep

[@lonekirin905]

@@yvngscpethesaucegd6141 I don't remember

[@hannahparry5836]

“And they were always singin in the back of your mind...” - Hadestown musical

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Fun fact: Everyone's favorite flavor is Hercules

[@mrmcflurry6795]

You right

[@kevin4061]

Thank you. I needed reader x Hercules vore

[@ThePinkDragon]

so i guess chocolate ;]

[@thomas-stilinski8149]

@@kevin4061 idk what that reader x whatever character thing means is it a fanfic thing?

[@anxiousdumpling5041]

@@thomas-stilinski8149 It's a thing when some people write fanfics where an anonymous person is shipped with a fictional character and you can fill the the anonymous character role with yourself

[@facelesscat1138]

Hey Jon, when you start Norse Mythology, I know a book you could get to help you. It's called "Norse Mythology" (very creative) It's written by Neil Gaiman, he also wrote Coraline. The stories are both funny and dark, which I know you like, so have fun. :) PLEASE LIKE SO JON SEES THIS!

[@foodofthegods]

a+ for creativity

[@SK98765]

I'm simple. I see a Job Solo upload, I click.

[@Clementine3107]

*Jon

[@mildredrosemaiztegui9221]

Zeus: get defeated by typhon The fates: I'm about to save this God's career.

[@shuix4697]

Also like a big thank you to Jon for doing all the research and putting it into videos for us to watch. I definitely feel more knowledgeable after watching this channel

[@martymcflyy6775]

here's some ideas Thanos/Thanatos the quest for the Golden Fleece the trojan war (that might be too long though)

[@pepper_thepenguin]

When I told someone about the Thanos/Thanatos thing, she said "Yeah, there's a lot of people from Greek Mythology stuff in Infinity War, like Thor." This was about a year ago, I was on my way to get some food before having to go to my 1st hour, so this took me 5-10 seconds to process. When I did I was confused and pissed at her stupidity.

[@martymcflyy6775]

@@pepper_thepenguin wow

[@pepper_thepenguin]

@@martymcflyy6775 I'm also transferring from that school so I never have to see her again

[@katherine_queen5294]

Also the part about the puppies on my birthday surprised me because it’s actually my birthday and I got these cute slippers with dogs on them 😂

[@Clementine3107]

Today is also my brother's birthday!

[@Clementine3107]

Happy birthday!

[@delilahdahlia247]

Happy Birthday

[@Clementine3107]

@@QueenToriaMartin-Hickson Thank you

[@katherine_queen5294]

hujshdbh hjshdhdiu thank you and happy birthday as well to your brother

[@hayden1351]

I’d totally want to know everything that happened in the past! Knowing the future is too risky, as is knowing everything happening right now. Besides, it would clear up so many questions I have about the world.

[@reiannafox8528]

I love that the story about the piece of wood was used in Rick Riordan's books

[@romypotash7114]

8:00 back then (in some places ) child birth for women was considered the same as a battle for men: painful, likely way to die, and heroic

[@naimac1015]

I had once read that the fates were 3 women, and in another story I heard that they were of different ages … and by that they meant an old woman, a matron, and a maid. But upon further research it turns out that the last part is more of a Neopagan view and not an origins version of the fates.

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

I wear Hercules merchandise often, Hades watch out

[@nugget367]

Hmm kin jong un wearing hercules merch... Interesting...

[@tasnimanimanimaa]

YOU'RE WEARING HIS MERCHANDISE

[@ahmjothe]

When a Jon solo video comes out it instantly makes my day

[@mayleitora118]

I would chose everything that ever happened. I think that would help me more then present and future because I could learn with past experiences of everyone. Love your content by the way. 😉

[@kathysewell3382]

Love that little Twist myth at the end! I am learning so much from you. Thank you for making this series for us.

[@shadowpuppet8192]

I would want to know EVERYTHING that has ever happened! History is FASCINATING!!!

[@samanthacabarles1065]

Did you just start? Lemme tell ya everybody did something evil except a few.

[@TheEnigma711]

I’d like to know all the past, there’s too much going on rn, and if I knew the future, nothing would be a surprise.

[@avengingkitty]

From this moment on, I'm going to refer to my birth as The Great Cosmic Fart... I like it and it's fitting 😆

[@crazymars2u]

I need to know more about these Graeae, though. A quick Google search got me this from Wikipedia: "In Greek mythology the Graeae, also called the Grey Sisters and the Phorcides, were three sisters who shared one eye and one tooth among them. Their names were Deino, Enyo, and Pemphredo." I'd love to hear what you have to say about these lovely ladies. Also, thoughts on how any of these characters might relate to the witches in Macbeth? Love your work! Keep it up! 💜

[@pumpkin50810]

The earliest I've ever watched a Solo video 😂 and it's one of my favorite topics: The Fates

[@royalvm7241]

Fun (Greek) fact for you Jon: In Greek most of the time when you see oi togeether its pronounced i and ai together its pronounced e,so they are actually called Mires!

[@unique_cha0s550]

soldier: at least my death wont be too painful the fates: im finna end this mans whole career!!!

[@johnson6099]

I really needed this. There are so many characters for past, present, and future but nine compare to the fates. You may live but they can guarantee you'll die.

[@DirectorsChoice]

I would love to see movies based on the Moirae. They’re so underrepresented but so fascinating.

[@weeb_kun5432]

Do the origins of Alexander Hamilton from Hamilton. It’s on Disney+. So technically, it’s Disney.

[@pepper_thepenguin]

Have you heard they're making a Percy Jackson show on Disney+? Have you even heard of Percy?

[@hopefulstarfish7559]

@@pepper_thepenguin I’m really excited about that! Currently reading The Lost Hero.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Was just re-reading Percy Jackson and hoping you would do this video! 😊

[@celestialbutterfly]

Another Great Video, Thanks Jon. I missed hearing you plug Gunther's account though (he's cute). Good Luck with your next video and the new place.

[@ErinandVan]

I'd want to know about the past. though that would ruin all the mystery. also, could you do a video about that turtle thing from ATLA.

[@Miraclecultart]

The lion turtle

[@NyxInfernal]

I appreciated that you did the research to know that the Gray sisters were an entirely different group of hags lol. And YES someone FINALLY talks about my girl, Nyx! No one ever brings her up, and she's such a fearsome primordial goddess, easily my favorite. Stronger than Zeus and older than Gaia (debatable, but there's some evidence of it), she's a boss and never discussed.

[@L3m0n_ShArks]

I've always been very interested in the underworld gods and goddesses and I've been trying to find a video on the fates so thank you!!!! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜

[@leslie-annjones5321]

I'm so into greek mythology and love watching and learning new or more stuff from this channel . Keep posting john solo!

[@midnightharvest3065]

Omg the Fates/Moiri are my third favorite of my top 5 greek mythology figures. The first is Dionysus and the second is Hestia

[@eve456]

Ever since someone noted his shirts go with his episodes, I can't unsee it lol

[@azumi19able]

I'd go for knowing everything that has already happened.

[@j1nn644]

I literally binge watched these videos for the whole night Don’t regret it ;)

[@aileenmulaw4724]

Am I the only one that caught the fact that rick riordan based Franks backstory (from the Hero’s Of Olympus series) on Meleanger’s story? No? Just me? Oh well then 🙃

[@laurenhammack3165]

same! i just started re-reading son of Neptune a few days ago and this totally stood out to me. lmao

[@jacobw4612]

Meleager

[@naetrain]

I subscribed the moment I heard you say Hercules is your favourite Disney Movie of all time. I thought I was the only 1 that had this as their Disney #1 before this video came into my life

[@Fallasleepwithrosey]

I’ve never been this early here😂😂😂😂😂

[@sabrina.h2737]

Same 🙂

[@FROGGYBEAN29]

Noooooooobs

[@Clementine3107]

Same

[@xynx9581]

Shame

[@Unknown-ci9ul]

Mhm

[@tkr4693]

You’re perspective on social media is spot on

[@NaeMazique]

1:40 funny you say that cause I just got my new puppy 2 days ago and my bday is at the end of this month!

[@MilluMArt]

13:56 I would definitely want to know everything that has ever happened. I really think it would be so much easier to know how to continue forward if just someone knew with certainty what past mistakes had been made, so we could avoid them in the present moment we live in and shape future with new actions and experiences

[@miyapapayax]

I would pick the past, everything that has happened.

[@twinny_mi]

I'm a little late, but you posted this video on my birthday!! I love Greek Mythology and your channel, keep up the great content Jon!!

[@jackovaght7298]

I'd choose the future. Think of all the money a person could make with that knowledge.

[@_julian2355]

Jon Solo:Basically all the ways you don’t wanna die Me:I DONT WANNA DIE

[@rachelb3449]

"I like space butt and I cannot lie" LMFAO

[@melenatorr]

Such a great presentation, as always - The Fates are an strong underpinning to so much. A couple of cents tossed in, because that's who I am... There is another myth concerning the Fates directly: Apollo got them drunk once and persuaded them to spare his friend Admetus from death, which they consented to on the condition that Admetus find someone else to die in his place. Admetus tried to convince his old parents but they refused. His wife Alcestis volunteered. Heracles happened to be in the neighborhood the day Alcestis was to die, and, long story short, he waited outside Alcestis' door and defeated Death. There are other deities outside of Greece that are equivalent to the Fates, notably the Norns in Norse mythology. Thanks for distinguishing the Moirai from the Graeae - that was very frustrating for me. Clotho actually comes first in the line-up: you have to spin the thread into existence before you can measure. The name of the kingdom is pronounced with a hard C: "KAL-i-don". I'd love to hear your take on Atalanta, who was a very interesting character.

[@Cottontailart]

Yup it is a Pokemon city in the Kanto region, so he became a hero by becoming a Pokemon master

[@jcage1022]

Man if I had a poison tunic, I'd be asking all my enemies to try it on.

[@red_toes]

When Jon first said Meleager I thought he was gonna say Meliodas

[@Kpop_Stans.._Assemble]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate his dedication to fit this theme with putting on a shirt with Zeus’s symbol from the movie? Respect.

[@Michael-yv6mp]

I've had a bouncy ball that I've had for awhile that is an eyeball, at 30 years old i still pretend it's their eye

[@jamnglamour6571]

Watching from trinidad and Tobago.... and I'm enjoying every moment of it

[@troperhghar9898]

I once did a report on the moirai in high school but I kept calling them moira, so it sounded like I was talking about three all powerful Scottish girls

[@MaddieDeux]

When I read up on mythology in High School, i loved the idea of the fates and Lachesis is my favorite name 😁

[@pamelamays4186]

Considering what's going on now, I'd like to know what's in store for at least a year.

[@casparjackson4075]

Man I LOVE greek mythology! Its my favourite thing to listen to and learn from.

[@llybophibjartskulr3799]

Absolutely couldn't click fast enough

[@DryBones271]

Yes, Celadon is a town in Pokémon. Its where the 4th gym is.

[@natashasteponme4171]

Any rick riordan books fans here ?

[@lightknight6749]

Yup Camp Half blood for life

[@Bookwormtalksabout]

Thanks for helping me learn mythology, history, and the true stories of famous tales. As well as assuring me that there are people like me out there in the world.

[@Carlster18]

I'm finally first!

[@ΆρηςΜαλάνος]

Yes you are

[@jenniferlonnes7420]

The 1980 movie, Clash of the Titans had the Moirai or Gratae in it. I remember them sharing an eye and passing it around.

[@JadeWestTristan]

i hate dogs tho

[@auroradalton7839]

How do you hate dogs!

[@JadeWestTristan]

@@auroradalton7839 they're ugly, i have bad experiences with them. They have attack me before kittens are better

[@bellab6794]

@@JadeWestTristan dogs can sense people so maybe you’re just a bad person

[@JadeWestTristan]

@@bellab6794 a dog chasing after me n attacking me on the verge of death is not a sense

[@bellab6794]

@@JadeWestTristan i’m joking lol

[@kymalascarlett8871]

All this reminds me of 'the lighting theif' with Percy Jackson

[@jessicanketsia3181]

9:54 This reminds me of what Juno/Hera said about Frank Zhang from The Heroes of Olympus having his life tied to a half burned piece of firewood.

[@itired2150]

My quarantine now is just watching either jon or bailey sarian's video

[@danielmeredith4222]

That was a very fun and educational episode cheers and thankyou Jon Solo your thr best teacher ever

[@tinamendoza6689]

I love your content, been a sub for about a year now and I'm always looking for the next video. Keep up the great work! 💌

[@k1ngh0rus46]

This guys gives so much info every few days I'm always seeing a different video. Keep up the great work Señor Solo!

[@jdc1979]

God your research skills deserve a monument

[@siennalilly6677]

I’m glad you posted on my birthday I have been waiting for another video 😊

[@Kisozriel]

“Or did the cosmos just fart them out of it’s giant space butt”. My 31-year-old ass just choked on coffee like a high school boy, good job 😂

[@AmataTai]

The Keres sound exactly like the Stormwings from Tamora Pierce's novels, and that makes me love her stories even more

[@yaang9258]

The insight trading advice is always welcomed

[@BlueJay2]

I'd pick knowing everything in the future. It would be the most useful for sure.

[@Lifeindimlight]

Well.........this is just what i needed as at 3 am

[@jeonskookie3661]

The eye scene where they’re all taking the eye reminded me of the second Percy Jackson where they’re in the taxi cab.

[@melindamartinez3798]

Vests aren't always lame - just most of the time. I will rock my down vest during my evening walk with an apres -ork beverage when it's chilly. This video was great and I really want to use it with my middle schoolers to give some background knowledge as we start Percy Jackson, but the art shown is typical of the era's loved for the human form. Contemplating covering the projector lens for those select scenes...

[@claudiaramirez9362]

I love that she talks about indoor plumbing especially in this era. The Greeks we're actually quite advanced for their time.

[@Listening_Books12345]

I know this was a long time ago, but it would be awesome if you covered the story of Orestes. I just watched your Medusa vid before this one, and her tragic tale plus mentioning the Furies reminded me of how Orestes, like Medusa, was a totally innocent figure who is punished brutally due to the actions of others.