The Metaverse Is The World's Deepest Money Pit

Meta continues to shoot itself in the foot, spending billions of dollars on the metaverse while only having a couple hundred users on the whole platform.
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[@AceVideosOfficial]

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake…

[@KevinElmoreArkansas]

The Art of War?

[@somerandomvertebrate9262]

@@KevinElmoreArkansas Napoleon Bonaparte.

[@GabrielConstantinides]

Michael Scofield

[@WorldsOnlyBlackStan]

200th like 😎👍🏾

[@WorldsOnlyBlackStan]

@@KevinElmoreArkansas Shang Tsung

[@Ligands23]

_"I'm so tired of having meetings that could just be emails."_ Absolutely, and that's the big glaring problem that the Zuck just doesn't seem to understand- the _entire world_ is getting sick of unnecessary virtual meetings.

[@golarac6433]

@xraf32 just play chocolate doom in the background

[@manzanito3652]

The reason so many high ups and Ceos love unneccesary meetings is because it's one of the few instances where they interact directly with their employees and feel they are doing "something".

[@electronresonator8882]

he tried his luck once, and now he tried it again, ....that's it

[@Clanker]

@@golarac6433 W i do that

[@dorukurganc445]

whatever makes the boss feel important

[@katehikes1645]

If Facebook loses everyone wins

[@angelux079]

@Chad 007 No

[@MikeJones-mf2rt]

@@simc... Malware

[@mattbob1995]

puts

[@IodizedNaCL]

ever thought of what happened when tumblr died then a bunch of femcels started pouring in twitter and then started to cause a lot of shit to go down? now imagine a bunch of south east asians invading every known social media platform. besides its better if facebook is still up because it keeps the cringe to a minimum level

[@TheJanitorIsIn]

Based.

[@RobertoFornaro]

"I'm so tired of having meetings that could have just been emails" hit me so hard

[@aceg81]

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[@thecapone45]

I’m so glad my job doesn’t do this! We haven’t had meetings in over a year. Even before COVID the meetings were monthly and only with top managers.

[@queen_eldf]

I'm so tired having emails that could have just been texts.

[@Darckfire43]

I'm so tired of having texts that could have been nothing

[@Battleneter]

I can't even begin to describe how uninterested I am in the Metaverse, other than as a form of amusement watching a billionaire flush billions down the toilet.

[@joeysipos]

Until you try a quest 2 and then like it... its actually surprisingly fun.

[@robbenfelix]

My thoughts and feelings exactly.

[@-_Somebody_]

Same 🤭

[@_hanz73]

@@joeysipos there's a lot more VR games that's way better than Metaverse... Like Vr Chat for example oh and it have legs!

[@_hanz73]

@@joeysipos yeah, I meant like the whatever world thing he's developing. And yes that's true

[@randomdeutsch5489]

It's so insane how they are trying to get these virtual offices off the ground. No one wants to go to an office in real life, why would anyone want to wear a VR headset all day just to be in a virtual office? You don't get any of the benefits of working from home but you do get additional eye-strain. Sounds horrible

[@yxcjeje]

Those who actually see value in being in an office often want to attend it IRL anyway because why chatting with people remote if attending them live is more fun (and productive)?

[@leeham6230]

This is the worst business decision of all time. Facebook was always destined for a slow death, but this speedrun to the bottom is way more entertaining.

[@randomdeutsch5489]

@@ILubBLOfficial I'm not a teenager, and I am aware of the benefits of going to an actual office. I am sorry my original comment focused mainly on one side of the discussion, which is people who do not actually like going to an office (read up on articles about people's reluctance to go back after home-offices during covid time). I'm an adult who quite enjoys meeting people in real life. You are very condescending

[@yxcjeje]

@@ILubBLOfficial I work in IT, so my experience does not apply to all forms of labor without compulsory need for physical attendance. Both remote work and office work have their validity, but it depends on the situation. Remote work is best suitable for concentration-intensive and heavily self-managed work. You are in silence and if you have a question, you call (or write) a colleague via mostly Teams. It works decently well if it is an integrated solution. Office work is preferred if you need a lot of communication, e.g. at the beginning of a project or to demonstrate something that works bad in an online conference. It also has an immense social component; yes, colleagues are not by default your friends, but they are still humans and actually having some sort of social attendance related to your work benefits your mental health (unless anxieties are at play). The metaverse idea of attending a virtual office pretty much combines most of the worst of both realms: Social isolation and strain on your eyes from home office, physical obligation and distraction from attendance. Who seriously wants this?

[@therabbithat]

man my GLASSES annoy me being on my face all day, and they are so light

[@steel5897]

The headset not being able to track your legs is not an excuse. Literally a couple of NEETs made a mod for Skyrim called VRIK, and it simulates your full body including legs and feet. It's not 100% accurate of course, but it does a damn good job at approximating your movement, all in a FREE MOD in a crappy VR port of a 2011 game using an engine from the early 2000s.

[@discordlexia2429]

That's because NEETs make things for the sake of making things, whereas corpos make things for the sake of making money. It's not about producing anything people either need or want anymore, it's just about making sure there's always something to spend money on and trusting to their propaganda team to make sure people buy it.

[@robokid20001]

Also, VR chat manages the legs issue just fine. Even with just the headset, the walking animations and approximation for the leg bending looks totally fine. And for people who want to go further and actually get full body tracking, then you add another layer of immersion. The legless avatars look terrible.

[@PvtAnonymous]

there's a pretty famous quote from a German rapper. It goes something like "I don't train my legs cuz you can't see them in the club". And Meta took that literally.

[@krozareq]

Agreed. VR Chat and VRIK mod look really decent w/o full body tracking. Shows that big corporations are so mired in politics that small startups, and even game modders, are more innovative. It's possible to do full body tracking with the Quest with just an Xbox 360 Kinect, but I haven't seen much use for it unless I had a 360 treadmill.

[@maudley]

@@discordlexia2429 a-fucking-men

[@milkgrapes6420]

"Meta shot themselves in the legs which is probably why they have floating torsos" Nice.

[@markm0000]

Savage

[@drakkenmensch]

They had to invent legs for the sole purpose of shooting themselves in those.

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

I didn't even realise the Metaverse had launched yet. I assumed it was something they were still working on that might be launched a few years from now.

[@Thislesbiannevermisses]

Omg same

[@vin_dk]

Didn’t you know? For the past couple of years EVERYTHING has been in pre alpha release hell. I guess that is extended to the Metaverse as well and not just games. Maybe at some point they’ll see the trends

[@oliverriezebos]

I also had no idea. That shows how bad this shit flopped

[@cleb94]

The Metaverse is a concept that has been around for a long time and was not invented by Meta. The metaverse reference in the video (decentraland) has no affiliation with Meta.

[@oliverriezebos]

@@cleb94 yeah we no that but I didn't notice it was already realised yet

[@gammaphonic]

Nintendo doesn’t focus on graphics hardware, yet their games always look incredible. This is because they hire really, REALLY good artists. It looks like Facebook forgot to hire any artists at all on this project.

[@MRL8770]

Yup. Also it's incorrect to say that they never cared about cutting-edge graphics. They used to care. Gamecube was their last beefy device tho. In some ways better than PS2, in some other ways worse. Ever since the massive success of Wii Nintendo has switched its priorities and they try to recreate this success. This had kind-of worked with Switch, altough if you ask me, I have no faith that this approach could still work for the next generation, especially given the hype for VR and real-time raytracing - both revolutionary technologies that require beefy hardware.

[@brkbtjunkie]

@@MRL8770 i wish Nintendo didn’t sacrifice so much silicon of the tegra soc to preserve battery life. The nvidia shield uses the same chip but performs so much better.

[@ChipsChallenge95]

They did, they just focus on hiring as many black and trans people as possible regardless of their ability

[@Jack_Dawlia]

@@ChipsChallenge95 wha

[@christianknuchel]

@@ChipsChallenge95 What will you tell us next? That water sprinkler rainbows are making the frogs gay, or that it's poor people's fault that they're poor? It must be treasure trove of wisdom over there.

[@curiousadventuresof]

I think what Meta and social media is teaching everyone is simply that, at the end of the day, most people want REAL connections with real people in as real an environment as possible. We want virtual connections for that downtime in between.

[@0ptimal]

Sure, that'll always be a thing, but if the time comes where this tech becomes more optimal to use than not, things will change. People used to speak similarly about texting. If people start figuring out that they have an edge using the tech, or it's just funner, or makes things easier, then the masses will come. Hopefully it's not FB, but it's coming, n Zukky knows it.

[@kubaproszowski4279]

Do you think this is some intergovernemntal crazy vilain project to make us get back to The Old ways of socialising?

[@curiousadventuresof]

@@kubaproszowski4279 hahaha i wonder

[@danielavanilla4331]

This needs to get pinned

[@sjie1874]

@@0ptimalyeah I agree , at one moment it will be the standard …but right now we don’t have the actual technology to feel it real , the reason text became popular is it was easy and fast , none of this process of metaverse seems easy or fast

[@sipjedekat8525]

It's morbidly fascinating to see a giant tech company like Facebook faceplant so completely. Billions of dollars spent and no one in the company dared to tell zuck his idea sucks. It sucks because it's outdated, crappily executed and serves no demand from anyone. No one told Mark that second life has already come and gone and had better graphics. They all just nodded with stupid grins when he pitched his ideas, grimacing in cringey pain behind his back while dusting up their resumes.

[@Savage_D_777]

Metaverse dare totally outdated and could serve only a nice of few people. The thing is that Meta cant get away from the metaverse until it changes its name again lol

[@mk1st]

Second Life was pretty good (mostly because it wasn’t corporate driven) but came and went. That should have been his first clue.

[@Savage_D_777]

@@mk1st 3DTV's also. people didn't even want to wear thin glasses.

[@Willientus]

Never knew about second life while it was in its prime, but there are some hilarious trolling videos on KZbin over second life. Daniel SL, Pepperchini ect.

[@sipjedekat8525]

@@mk1st it was good because there was nothing like it at the time. It filled a niche. Nowadays that niche is completely saturated with more advanced options.

[@RoxNoAnne]

It's baffling that even 6th gen Tony Hawk games, which came out 15-20 years ago, look a lot better than the Metaverse. The game that Kenny used in his example is 16 years old. I know VR can be hungry for resources, but it's still not an excuse for the models to look like cheap cartoon models made by an indie game developer when the budget is a lot higher than most games. There's this thing called optimization, and I don't think Meta is using it.

[@mukyumukyun]

I'm sure it's only fair to give it a fair comparison like beat saber, an actual vr games, yes vr is power hungry but the minimum requirements to run vr is actually a lot lower, how so? there's a lot of optimization need to be done, like player shouldn't see a stuttering or lagging graphic, and it's to prevent motion sickness and other illness, but even then the graphic shouldn't be this bad considering the amount of budget spend, they could've done some optimization like reducing polygon in environment, only loads the environment that the player sees, like at least they could've done something

[@KyrieFortune]

VR Chat is virtually the same thing as the Metaverse and has better and more varied models

[@caleb_artzs2533]

Gmod is 20 times better virtual world simulator than Metaverse would ever be

[@bendgk123]

l

[@thekingoffailure9967]

Meta is optimizing alright. Not for quality, but for profit. Zucc is an excellent businessman

[@tbk2010]

Their biggest problem is that in their attempt to appeal to normies and investors they made sure their metaverse is as inoffensive and locked-down as possible. Which is the total opposite of the relatively successful VR-Chat where anarchy reigns. Maybe if VR headsets were as comfortable as normal glasses and no more expensive than a really cheap smartphone that would work. But I doubt this will happen within the next decade or so.

[@KaykyG018]

Hmmm time to run this number on a spam program hehehe

[@LeoMkII]

@@KaykyG018 *yes please*

[@tjenadonn6158]

Never underestimate the value of furries in making sure your platform is successful long term. The reason why TF2 is still around while all of its alternatives have died on the vine? BETTER FURRY APPEAL. The reason Disney beat out the Fleischman Brothers back in the day? Furries chose Minnie Mouse over Betty Boop. VRChat over Metaverse? You can't be a protogen in the Metaverse. If you lose the furries you've lost it all.

[@rdrrr]

@@tjenadonn6158 I've heard it said that if you want to hire a competent programmer, forget LinkedIn - recruit using FurAffinity...

[@ultrapwnd]

@@tjenadonn6158 Team Fortress 2 is held up by furries?

[@croissantman8809]

the idea of having something on you head , while working in a shop next to a ton of sharp objects like drill bits or machinery with bone crushing torque really does make me feel safe .

[@robertotallarino7467]

😂😂😂😂👍

[@StuninRub]

Welders say what?

[@TheSpendog]

if you were controlling a bot in those machinery type areas from home with a headset would be cool though, making dangerous jobs more of a game.

[@sophiacristina]

Dude, you are going to miss all those cool fluid simulations while you solve rubick's cube?! Wtf?! Who whouldn't like it?!

[@lookupverazhou8599]

No, you will be at home in complete safety directing the movement of a robotic avatar.

[@quentenburnett7296]

There's been leaked internal emails from Meta where managers say that their workers need to use the Metaverse more, and that they can't fall in love with it if they don't use it. In other words, Meta's own employees don't want to use the Metaverse for the very thing it was designed for, and are being made to because forcing them to will make them like it. Genius. I'm starting to wonder if this is some sort of money laundering scheme.

[@vario6492]

So, those 600 people online in metaverse are likely all reluctant employees? Even funnier...

[@nikitaelizarov7444]

The last game Zuck played was Civilization III, so he thinks that graphics in the Metaverse is mind-blowing. There's a whole department of top-notch 3D art talent that exists only on paper.

[@godzilla1051]

Probably not, looking more like desperate to impress investors.

[@Jkuchenbrod]

The idea is understandable, they clearly need more testers from their main target group? As someone who studies and works in the field of VR/AR and such, I meet really often people who wanted to include these technologies just for the sake of it. I can imagine that someone with a lot of money had the idea "hey it would be cool to make a mii verse for meetings BUT in VR". While I want to believe that they did market research I get the feeling that just the social aspect of being there as a VR avatar is the only thing that really differentiates this from Zoom/Teams. I mean compare the user journey: Zoom: Put on headset, turn on cam (if not automatically) and start zoom/teams, enter meeting ID or similar data, go Metaverse: turn on vr headset (check for battery/put in loading cable), put it on, Connect to metaverse, find room/follow invite, try not to get motion sick, go. That was just seen in the context of meetings. Of course you can do other stuff which will be really average I guess, but at this point, it conveys the feeling to be the son of Zoom and VR chat. And even VR chat has legs though.

[@mikb5587]

@@JkuchenbrodNobody wants VR, by nobody I mean almost everyone.

[@aaronrobertson5141]

Meta Logic- Everyone: "Cant we just text each other?" Zuck: "No, the future is taking screenshots of our text messages and emailing them to each other"

[@robertwildschwein7207]

Zuck: "The future is living in a virtual universe where there is NO LEGS!!!"

[@bluebowser3347]

@@robertwildschwein7207 I heard he was worried about being sued for discrimination as he didn't know how to implement wheel chair users. In order to remedy this he made avatars lack legs. It wasn't until he got the all clear from multiple legal advisers he decided to implement legs and exclude the disabled from the metaverse.

[@ivandankob7112]

Look, we need to find a way to cramp 30 minutes of ads into this process

[@robertwildschwein7207]

@@bluebowser3347 Or just add wheelchairs in an update if that's so important. It wouldn't be hard to make as the legs movements didn't have to be tracked.

[@deathdog1392]

@@bluebowser3347 that doesn't make much sense. How would a wheelchair be so much harder to animate than legs? Also, can you imagine the AI telling your disabled and putting your character in a wheelchair by default? Like one even has to be crippled in this fantasy universe 😂 its a funny idea tho.

[@blehmeh9889]

2:05 Miis have been around far longer than 10 years. While the "Mii-Verse" as a term may have launched with the Wii U 10 years ago, Miis were a thing as far back as the original Wii in 2006. Meanwhile, the Wii used hardware very similar to what the Gamecube used in 2001, save for the full DVD drive and the motion controls. The Wii had the Mii program for creating Miis and also launched with Wii sports, a motion game that used the Miis directly. More nintendo licensed games would soon come out for the Wii that used the Miis as the playable protagonists over time, first adhering largely to the sports and "fitness" genres of gameplay and branching out over time. Also, I too would agree that the Miis are better than the Facebook characters, but because the Mii characters look noticeably better if you pay attention to details. The Miis at least had decent lighting on their bodies and a shiny sheen applied to them to prevent them from falling into the uncanny valley. Mii body parts weren't painted with a bright, flat fullbright color, as they appear to have color gradients and basic lighting, which breaks up the color and makes them easy on the eyes. Meanwhile, that facebook character in the GIF had completely constant "full-bright" lighting with completely flat and bright colors and no sheen of any kind. It hurts your eyes to look at the Facebook character. It's almost as if the Miis were designed by artists who knew how to design something that's appealing to look at, expressive, versatile, and simple to render even on old hardware, whereas the Facebook characters were designed by people whose job it is to maintain an aging social media site.

[@icicleditor]

Minor correction: Miis as a whole predate the Miiverse, which is basically twitter on Wii U, which did release when you said they did, 2015. Miis were unveilied as the main Avatar on the Wii in 2006, and still see use on the Switch today, even if they're more hidden than they once were.

[@project-gladiator]

With tecnology of 22 years ago, as the Wii was still kind of as powerfull as a Gamecube, that came out in 2001

[@Wilus0]

@Whats🅰pp±⓵⓹⓻⓽⓸⓻⓼⓻⓻⓺⓼ L

[@daneast]

Yes this is what I was also thinking. Miis came from the original Wii, and have their own charm and simplistic appeal. They are iconic (both literally and figuratively) and serve their role perfectly fine as a bobble-head that can be stuck onto 3D models in whatever game they are needed in.

[@lol-ih1tl]

Miiverse launched in 2012, not 2015.

[@tophatcat1173]

@Whats🅰pp±⓵⓹⓻⓽⓸⓻⓼⓻⓻⓺⓼ tf are you trying to sell?

[@sessi0ns11]

Humans: We work in shitty offices and go to boring meetings. Metaverse: But just imagine if you worked in shitty offices and went to boring meetings... IN VR!

[@desertguy1362]

All yes men working for him. 😂

[@benfelps]

lol right the story telling is horrendous. with our technology, you can live your current life but worse!

[@Graphomite]

I wanna take my shitty office and boring meetings home with me.

[@TC-lk2ev]

with ads!

[@willy4170]

Shut up and take my money!

[@immxrtalsoul6954]

"Over engineered meetings" is a perfect way to describe the whole meta concept.

[@riotguards]

"How can we make meetings even more obnoxious"verse

[@StreetPreacherr]

Hell, I even think VR goggles are too much of a hassle to even bother with for PORN! And if a new computing device CAN'T STREAMLIND & IMPROVE the PORN experience then it'll never succeed... I mean the iPhone was REVOLUTIONARY, it let people watch conveniently porn ANYWHERE!

[@mr.skeleton5536]

@@StreetPreacherr It's less convenient, but it's entertaining. Making someone attend your meetings in one of these things is going to be as absurd as making someone attend a meeting in Black Ops 2, I make all my employees meet up there because Zoom is too boring. It brings out the worst in them I tell you, business talks turn into them shouting horrible things and teabagging eachother's corpses.

[@TheCaptNoname]

@@mr.skeleton5536 I'd imagine, after one of such meetings the incidents might happen... To the effect of: "Why did you get fired?" "I blew up my colleague with a sticky bomb and teabagged his corpse" "In Call of Duty, right?" "..." "... In Call of Duty, right?"

[@caterpilar]

@@mr.skeleton5536 haha i think in-game meeting can be much more productive, it's fun, relaxing and can do some team-building

[@louisgiokas2206]

Good insights into the metaverse. It reminds me of Second Life (SL). I used that early on, just a little bit, for remote meetings. It was not really something that useful. Zoom and MS Teams is more than fine for that purpose, with no extra hardware required. One of the things Meta touts is augmented reality. That can be useful for industrial companies but is not something a consumer would need. The spending by tech companies that rely in advertising, on everything, is just out of control. They have more employees than the companies that were involved in aerospace and defense. Believe me, their actual products are much simpler. I come from the A&D world. I will make a prediction. The metaverse, if they improve their graphics, will become a porn site, a lot like SL.

[@andrejspetersons8500]

Second Life is still alive (almost 20 years!), is being updated and the company still makes money. They have a strong community and that's even excluding everything porn related.

[@0ptimal]

AR will dominate the consumer market. The smartphone was a step towards that, and it's time is running short.

[@louisgiokas2206]

@@andrejspetersons8500 Having a strong community is one thing. The real question is the growth.

[@that1niceguy246]

Can't wait for the coming (cvming?) Meta cetegory on PH and others

[@handleneeds3charactersormore]

@@that1niceguy246 but where do you put the d if they have no legs, no weenie and no bunny Wait now I'm interested

[@davidbray5982]

Oh the schadenfreude I feel from watching Zuck fail is just wonderful. He represents the first of these insufferable nerdy american boys who get stupid rich from collecting data like a tech-obsessed goblin. I would *hate* to be forced to do company stuff in the Metaverse. Lord knows, the people where I work struggle as is with zoom calls. Every time at least one person has a shite microphone, patchy internet, or can't figure out how to invite someone.

[@Alias_Anybody]

The Metaverse is basically Mii Plaza (Wii) but somehow worse looking and magnitudes less charming. A random C-Team from Nintendo in the late 2000s and early 2010s could do better than Zuck's best in 2022.

[@TheMADmk]

@@Alias_Anybody PS Home, without the fun mini games, and 1000x less graphics!

[@timeTegus]

Why does everyone think that horison worlds is the metaverse. That's not the case. It's more like metaverse is the internet and horisn worlds is a web page. The metaverse is about mutch more than Facebook.

[@thetaxikab604]

"American" LOL

[@NichtDu]

I agree but to fair your second argument wasnt really valid Joining a videocall on a device exclusivly made for videocalls is probably easier than on a laptop + no one would have a shitty mic if everyone had the same vr headset

[@Sturzfaktor2]

Oh wow, I always thought the footage from the Metaverse was just a placeholder for the time when the real Metaverse would launch.

[@playzx1260]

same

[@JordanBeagle]

I had a hard time believe it was real either, looked like a low budget knockup Second Life or something

[@Driendel]

Imagine being a long-term Facebook investor, taking a look at your stock one night and discovering that the company changed its name, sunk itself into an obvious delusion and lost billions 🤡

[@LadyAyleene]

I didn't realize metaverse already exists. I thought the graphics were just some diy stuff, made by someone to give kind of an impression what it could be like but would eventually be way more realistic. I literally found out last week that metaverse is accessible and really looks like thats. And I'm old and from the fb generation, so when they don't even get me interested, who is their target audience anyway?

[@Driendel]

@@LadyAyleene Zuck himself probably

[@earbleedmaster1457]

Zuckerberg simply wanted to turn the "Metaverse" into something like The Oasis from Ready Player One, that's why he was so hard on it and made the push around when the Oculus Quest 2 released. It's simply just too early to monopolize on something like this and now he's paying for it lmao

[@CookyMonzta]

Exactly. He thought it would be easy to turn a fictional creation (the Oasis) into reality and do it quickly.

[@caleb_artzs2533]

Oasis has already existed long time before even the book was written. Gmod is a good comparison on how little to no creativity Ready Player One Oasis has on actual working game, another note for comparison is VR Chat with the large amount of accessibility that VR Chat and G-mod which these programs doesn't really force/restrict it users to use a specific VR headset unlike Meta.

[@GYTCommnts]

Exactly. And the thing is that he is more like the villain in that movie, than the creators of that VR world.

[@albertsun3393]

The big difference between the "Zuck"verse and Oasis is that Oasis was, well, pretty damn good when it released. Zuck's metaverse has a barely working platform and is trying to entice suckers to devote their time into slaving away for free with no real upside, and everyone with half a brain cell knows that Zuck is gonna lock everything down and build toll roads every 5 meters once the metaverse becomes big and what the hell can developers do about it anyway? Your hard-worked content is already developed on *their* platform.

[@CookyMonzta]

You know something? I'm starting to wonder if Zuck wanted his metaverse to be something more like the Oasis, or more like the _Matrix..._ 🤔 ...Or maybe something in between, like in _Johnny Mnemonic._

[@thebbcjoke]

"I'm so tired of having meetings that should have just been e-mails." - Mental Outlaw and every corporate wagie ever

[@gwiz6955]

Daily discussions on how we implement innovative solutions and achieve our SMART goals will help this company get out of the red.

[@raven_glass]

An idea like Metaverse already existed in Second Life. People had virtual avatars and bought (with real money) virtual land in an online platform that was nothing more than a glorified chat room. The difference is that it was fun, you could make stuff in the built in 3d engine (anything you could imagine) and people used it to escape reality for a few hours. Meta is none of that.

[@orangehatmusic225]

You guys do realize he stole the idea for Facebook & even VR right? Or are you all still just dumb and ignorant...

[@kwando472]

But, but in metaverse you can link everything and have online office meetings and do shit you actually rather do in real life 🤔

[@ici123-r2e]

I think that the problem with the metaverse was, that the employees didn't even know what the metaverse should look like and what they should create.

[@madmantheepic7278]

From the recent employee interviews, apparently even Zucc doesnt know wtf he wants with meta verse

[@orangehatmusic225]

@@madmantheepic7278 How could he.. it's not even his idea.

[@litvanika]

The problem I have with the Metaverse is that it has no purpose. Like, KZbin is for videos, Reddit is the Internet divided into small parts by different topics, Twitter is a place where companies announce news and people argue, games are supposed to be played, and so on. A successful product needs a clearly defined purpose, while Meta's goal is to build a third life which is very abstract and obscure and is not really needed.

[@wamingo]

I agree it's not clearly defined, but many people prefer their virtual lives to their real lives. Games too, like any entertainment, is an escape. But I think this characterization is incorrect anyway. FB has showed a bunch of scifi-futurism which can just be ignored.. FB's metaverse actually looks more like it wants to be a platform for making games and experiences. A Roblox competitor of sorts. And in the long run I think it'll also become an app store - which could be key. It'll act as the goto meeting place where you discover new products and launch your experiences, especially with friends. FB will bribe some game devs and other artists to launch their stuff there. Now it's competing with Apple's App store, Steam and maybe even Netflix and Spotify. Add in legacy FB integration and you got a serious package. And forget the notion that it'll be a VR only thing. It'll run on your phone, pc, everywhere. No mass adoption without platform agnosticism. The real money is in the metaverse, not hardware. Anyway, maybe the skeptics will be right.. But I've rarely seen so many people use so little imagination while criticising only what they see.

[@maomaomi5434]

If I wanted a very abstract third life I'd just play vrchat while high.

[@MrMarinus18]

But the problem with metaverse is that in the end it comes down to putting roadblocks in place where there weren't roadblocks before. The Metaverse can never be as engaging as real life interactions, it's just not possible. Online has convenience as it's selling point and metaverse is all about taking that away.

[@giffica]

Huh? Videos. What's that...why would anyone watch a screen....whats the point of that? 🤔

[@baselin6514]

@@wamingo A Roblox "Competitor" that spends dozens of billions to be a half assed roblox XD

[@jonreededworthy7518]

Essentially the Quest Pro is failing to appeal to workers because it would add an unacceptable level of intrusion and inconvenience to their jobs, and it’s failing to appeal to managers because it’s trying to provide a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist

[@ducktape4502]

You have 0 sales and use metrics on the pro so stop with the cap already. We dont know if they are being adopted in the workplace yet

[@Kira-pv4xq]

@@ducktape4502 s h u t

[@reoire843]

At best, that headset seems like a gimmicky toy for companies with massive budgets. A simple Zoom meeting already does everything you might need it to for remote work. And already I find that to be overused in the workplace. We don’t need yet another layer of superfluous bullcrap to waste even more productivity at work.

[@reoire843]

@Richard Dickinson Yeah, it just seems unnecessary and inconvenient. I wonder if you could even do things like drink your coffee or water while wearing one. Or imagine trying to have a lunch meeting and eat while wearing it.

[@TwoBs]

@@ducktape4502 Let’s be real, no company is adopting this shit. It’s a waste of money on top of time. Why adopt something that already has a simple solution via clicking an email or answering a call on a desktop or phone without having to use anything else? It’s just not appealing for the workplace no matter how many people hope and wish for it. Not anytime soon, that for sure. Zoom was essentially a more real life simplified version of all of this, and companies got tired of that shit real quick during COVID and don’t want to go back to that.

[@240fxst]

Zuck's distorted view on real life experiences. He's an alien in human form. That is his goal eventually.

[@dragontamer2596]

Meta’s decisions are currently hurting or may hurt even further the VR industry. There are places where virtual reality is being used as a hang out space that are way better than anything we currently see from Meta or things that tag themselves as being part of the “Metaverse”. Sadly, these things are more than likely gonna be hurt by these bad decisions.

[@XabiIglesias]

I fear the idea behind this is to further control remote workers by allowing their bosses to check what they are physically doing.

[@memejunkie7818]

That's why i work balls deep in mud, not in papers and emails. Desk job would be a shortcut to suicide for me

[@XabiIglesias]

@@memejunkie7818 I have a desk job. Can relate.

[@jonathandaniel7321]

Then I will be selling the hacks that make it look like you work

[@Waitwhat469]

Oh man, yeah the amount of bioinfomatics you can collect with these is fucking nightmare problem ripe to be exploited. One that at DefCon was kind of mentioned as "hey this is an issue, any thoughts?" without any of the fun deep dives or malicious attacks yet.

[@vault1021]

@@jonathandaniel7321 Aahh yes, we demand, and heroes like you provide. The beauty of economics 😎

[@grfrjiglstan]

The hubris of Mark to think he could just storm into VR and revolutionize the industry when he's already a decade behind the rest of the world.

[@Alan-cl2ix]

VR has no future, like people have absolute no interest in it

[@Chuked]

@@Alan-cl2ix cap

[@AndrewScott1337]

Give the technology another 5 to 10 years. People said the same thing about the internet in the early 90s (it’s a gimmick, it’s cumbersome and just for nerds and people looking to watch porn lol).

[@sagan2652]

AR is the future

[@jack.h99]

@@Alan-cl2ix I could see it being big in about 10-15 years maybe. Hardware needs to catch up to software. Not to mention the haptics and control issues.

[@Dehslash9]

What the Metaverse should be used for is creativity. That's really all it's good for. I would love to work remotely in a 3D space with other employees to animate entire scenes for movies, tv shows and video games. For a reference look up Dreams for ps4/5 or Quill VR. In Horizon Worlds we could share games and animated experiences with everyone and see some of them in either our own spaces or in one Big Meta City with tons of games and experiences to see and do. It's all there, Zuckerberg just has to put on the effort.

[@txikitofandango]

I just love this lore of, you want the characters to have legs? You want shadows? That'll cost the budget of a medium-sized national government

[@mourgos1234]

without legs there can be no sexual crimes, so maybe thats their intention lol

[@RGC_animation]

They should just hire the team that made MiiVerse, maybe then they'll have legs and shadows!

[@condor237]

Characters in 2nd life already have that for free. Facebook is blowing billions to do the same stuff that’s been being done for at least 5 years

[@1murkeybadmayn]

@@mourgos1234 omg 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@CaptainWannabe]

1:27 LOL the little wii dude getting smacked by the basketball

[@ianwiltdotcom]

I work at Best Buy. I had a Meta representative come in to show off the Quest Pro. First of all, I heard rumors that she was high and tweaking out in the break room which is cool. Anyway, she couldn't give me a straight answer on what I would really be spending $1500 on and using this headset for. I own a Quest 2 and barely find any use out of it because there's simply no "killer app" that makes me want or need to use the headset daily. Finally, she left for a bit so I snuck the Quest Pro out of the box to try it again before I had to leave, and noticed the thing was HOT. Like, burning hot to the touch, so it really gives me confidence that this $1500 headset isn't going to just burn up and stop working after a few months. Way to go, Meta!

[@Shmuklidooha]

That was Meta trying to deliver heat-based advertisements to you through the headset

[@markm0000]

You must have grabbed the crack pipe.

[@WilliamBrwn]

They gonna fry your brain! lol

[@LetsGoGetThem]

You gotta be zonked out to try to sell these things.

[@stage6fan475]

@@LetsGoGetThem You got to be zonked out to believe Zuck hasn't gone nuts.

[@ThompterSHunson]

Mark is gonna stay in history as the man who had the goose that laid the golden eggs and shot it in the head. May it rest in feathers.

[@bridgiebean]

😂🎉

[@cheeseburger6924]

He stole the egg not laid!

[@Comando729]

He’s the guy who stole the goose and didn’t know what to do when it stopped laying golden eggs shot it with some “miracle drug” and began the slow and painful process of killing said goose

[@vijayendranvijay457]

And he'd still be a way rich guy while billions of people can't even afford a house or pay bills.

[@ko-Daegu]

I don’t fully agree The duck got old and he had to cook it He just made rat soap with it thiu

[@Dancingonthesun]

I've always been deeply suspicious of metaverse for its focus on work and commerce, the money things. People want vr for leisure and novelty. Nobody wants to be in a virtual world where your boss is the server admin.

[@turbomunch]

Your boss is your life admin

[@jonathaningram8157]

I enjoy being the dragonborn! My real life suck enough.

[@anime.soundtracks]

i want futuristic immersive vr $3X for so long but looking at the limbless avatars in this video i think alien invasion is more likely to happen

[@tuxedomask3483]

VR dev here! I work in academia, so I really hate metaverse because its made it really difficult to have VR in a lab environment. However, id like to provide some context to the issues you bring up, since some of these are def metaverse being silly as hell, but some are actually - believe it or not - just kind of VR best practices. - First: VR has to render the scene stereoscopically. This means it renders the same scene twice from different perspectives (once to the left eye and once to the right eye) to get a realistic illusion of depth (you could render once then copy one eye to the other, but its not as believable and can be nauseating). Vr also must track a lot of positional data. This means VR apps need to be super optimized, so they can only handle graphics about as good as a mobile phone. Now, metaverse is ugly ugly and they worked very poorly within those constraints, but its super misleading and... really completely unapplicable to compare VR capabilities to something like ffxii (good taste though) or graphics in AAA games. Miiverse is a great example though, as those models were built to communicate character and expression without HD graphics. VR chat would also be a good example, or even vtubers! because you can see what people have done with 10k polygon limitations in VR :) (seriously, imagine if your polygon limit was the equivalent of a kratos nipple) - Dynamic shadows are extremely expensive to process as well, and from the perspective of someone in VR, you rarely rarely look down at your legs or notice not having shadows. When I introduce someone to VR, not having legs is often one of the first observations, but its... never reallly brought up again! Also: legs can actually be nauseating if theyre in app, because - like you mentioned - tracking can rarely work well for legs. Not just technologically, but practically! Different heights can mean sensors within the HMD- which have become more commonplace- cant really see the feet of taller people. If the legs are out of sync with your actual feet, it can cause simulation sickness (essentially reverse motion sickness). Also- you guessed it, cutting out an ultimately unnecessary part of the model saves on our 'budget' for graphics. Basically, no legs is standard in VR, even preferrable, but it looks weirder when youre watching footage and not in VR. Granted, this really only works for solo vr games - in multiplayer its just as weird. - quest pro virtual office is a total fucking meme to vr devs. Its absolutely ridiculous. No one wants to wear a headset that long, hands down, theyre way too uncomfortable and heavy. One thing my team always asks before taking on a project is: does this need to be VR? And in this case: hell no! (Edited bc my - marks made it strikethrough lol)

[@tycboi]

Thanks for the explanation!

[@esosaimasuen8122]

Loved this, but spaces between paragraphs would encourage more people to read it.

[@nguyennguyenkhang5800]

This comment should be upvote

[@ChunkyWaterisReal]

Imo getting leg trackers was the best thing to happen for immersion I did next to actually buying the index itself

[@agucci]

"Meta is shooting themselves in the legs, which, I guess, explains the floating torsos." That was brilliant!

[@milkingalmonds6816]

it caught me off guard, it really was brilliant

[@banmnx4823]

Couldn't have written it better myself.. too good

[@agucci]

@@banmnx4823 do you write jokes from time to time?

[@gregorsamsa1364]

Y'all need some higher standards for btilliance

[@agucci]

@@gregorsamsa1364 no, my friend, on the contrary, I would like to appreciate every human thought as brilliant! And the closer I get there, the more blissful my life becomes!

[@aetherton5386]

It's disturbing how persistent Ol' zucky is to try and convince everyone that this is the future, and how "worth it" it is to use it. Still cannot figure out if his real lizard form or his virtual form is more terrifying to look at. Also the zoom in on the basket ball to the face was chef's kiss. Love your content dude.

[@xslvrxslwt]

Actually people are becoming more and more "friendly" n outgoing even though it doesn't look like it because well everyone is in front of their phones; But compared to before - now you're no more a freak when you use your phone 5+ hours a day and no one cares anymore so you're not judged by the community, also people are going out n doing drvgs more and no one anymore cares about some virtual reality shi because we no longer feel judged when we're w people (like most of meta's target userbase does), when mdma hits me not a 407020 verses and metas can compare to it lol

[@Demopans5990]

Second Life came out 10 years ago. If the metaverse is future, then SL would have caught on my now

[@xslvrxslwt]

@@Demopans5990 Exactly, even people who play SL play it for like a week or so and quit; It simply isn't nor will it ever be able to lock in the target audience..

[@DwAboutItManFr]

Well it is the future indeed though, i just hope is is not on it.

[@GYTCommnts]

Yeah, imagine being forced to watch ads IN YOUR FACE (literally) when you are working and using those headsets.

[@88Cardey]

When he first unveiled "meta" it looked more like a bad pitch for a black mirror episode than something that belongs in reality. I'm still not convinced Mark Zuckerberg isn't waring a man suit like an alien from Men in Black. Strange, strange man.

[@Dan16673]

Lol

[@infiniteplanes5775]

I enjoy hearing large companies fail, but I am so very worried about what will happen if Metaverse takes off.

[@yarinoi8662]

it wont. i guarantee only the upper middle class will be willing to burn 1500$ on such a thing

[@Dabroodrooster]

@@yarinoi8662Not a chance I would ever consider wasting money on this. No matter the wealth.

[@randomguyse7e719]

It wont, nobody is interested in paying 1500 dollars for a clunky headset.

[@infiniteplanes5775]

NFTs still happened despite poor graphics and often high prices. There will undoubtedly be many people who will get involved in Metaverse because they believe it's "the future" or they see a business opportunity

[@CrossRoadsOfTime]

@@infiniteplanes5775 it's happened but it hasn't really taken off either, outside of pyramid scheme type scams, and the occasional legit game company saying they are considering it before hitting such a backlash they abandon the idea it's not really used anywhere.

[@FunDome]

I work in my schools IT department. I can only imagine the hell this would cause as 65 year olds try to figure out how to use this when they can’t even properly connect to a printer

[@amentco8445]

@Stephen Porter It's just a bad idea for most people, causing complete unawareness of the surroundings. Plus motion sickness problems in large subsets of the population make it inaccessible in it's current and several years in the future form.

[@WorldMonologueGames]

In fairness, getting a printer working is max level IT warrior

[@impossiblemission4ce]

Yo fuck printers by the way. Just fucking work already!! Right???

[@tomoakley760]

Tbf most 19 year old probably don't know how to connect to a printer. "Oh is this like an Instagram that you put on paper?"

[@sortofanoakyafterbirth3661]

Zuckerberg is a part of that small group of psychos that wants all the 60+ year olds dead anyway.

[@Edward135i]

Imagine working at Facebook and Zucc making you put on a quest 2 and going into the metaverse to hear a meeting from H.R. explaining the latest "community standards" at Facebook.

[@thenewaeon]

Imagine getting laid off from your job at Meta during a metaverse meeting lol

[@Edward135i]

@@thenewaeon LMAO

[@samuelcalkin3516]

Being laid off in the metaverse is the killer app.

[@sweetmelon3365]

Sounds so bad. Just as bad as sitting next to each other and using text to chat

[@claudevandog]

In a just world, ten years from now Metaverse will either be completely forgotten, or a common punchline when making fun of early 2020s. Let's hope

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

I'm looking forward to the time where Facebook/ social media will only be remembered as this weird fad from the 2010s that has since been forgotten

[@spaghettiking653]

Ha ha. If we ever see the end of social media we'd be truly lucky and blessed. Too bad that's never gonna happen. We'll sooner all become corrupted by that disease than dispel it entirely.

[@LionKimbro]

I think it'll be like the term "Information Superhighway." It's not that we don't have **something** ..? (Namely, the Internet.) It's just not called the "Information Superhighway" that was the term used in the 1990's.

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

@@MrEdrftgyuji I’m hoping Facebook dies out with its senior citizen userbase. Screw that platform and it’s censorship (and Marks creepy spying on Facebook users)

[@MattExzy]

It reminds me of Farmville. I know they're totally different things, but Farmville was all the rage early 2010s - I don't think I've seen any trace of it since. I personally have no interest at all in Metaverse. I have no idea why it exists.

[@richardmattocks]

If social media died tomorrow, the world would be a better place. If the internet went back to being a place for information and business, society would improve.

[@paegr]

Now that the metaverse grift is over, I wonder what tech companies are gonna flock to next

[@redriderbbgun8018]

The Metaverse explosion hasn't even come close to happening yet. Ludites like you will be left far behind when it occurs.

[@zinjanthropus322]

The next grift, web 3.

[@More_Row]

Web3 or like all encompassing apps. Banking , ID check and socials all into one. With social credit points for doing "good" . Yes really.

[@apenasmeucanal5984]

SOCIAL CREDIT SCORE!!!

[@Romanovich451]

bankruptcy probably

[@gilberttraisson7893]

I really don't understand how it's possible to spend such a big amount of money and come out with something that bad. I really feel that 3 good devs can make something better in maybe less than 2 years. How is it even possible?

[@tivook]

Imagine how uninspiring it must be sitting in a conference room listening to The Zucc use fancy words for 3 hours straight. I see why it's failing.

[@peregrinecovington4138]

His pockets are getting absolutely run.

[@fgvcosmic6752]

VRchat It exists.

[@sandyamo]

They hire people with resumes full of virtue signaling buzzwords and ultra left wing sociological and political ideology, heads full of meaningless mumbo jumbo taught to them by Ivy League professors bought off and funded by the Saudis and China

[@MBarram]

They all had to work in a MetaVerse Office and their pens were constantly glitching out of their hands when taking meeting notes xD

[@megatronskneecap]

I'm a massive introvert and work from home because of it and even to me the metaverse sounds like the most depressing and un-interesting "product" to come out of a billion dollar companies ass yet.

[@toastermon2272]

I really see no scenario in which VR would improve any work from home or office job. If I want to see someone remotely, most laptops already have a technology installed that makes that possible, the only scenario which makes sense is that he foresees a future where we all just sit in our unfurnitured cells, working remotely for the alien overlords...

[@megatronskneecap]

@@toastermon2272 Same here lol - Unless something happens which means we cannot physically go outside, use our webcams/microphones and type this is useless. Can't imagine any of that happening in the next 100 years in which time this technology will be extremely obsolete.

[@katlee8778]

That’s great. Now go back into the basement

[@megatronskneecap]

@@katlee8778 Thanks for your statement! Have you come out of the closet yet at all? xoxoxo

[@Bos_Meong]

if only metaverse is anime girls instead of bitmojis i bet 100% the table would have turned

[@Vert_GreenHeart]

I really can't imagine how a meta dev wakes up everyday to work on this soulless boring looking VR world that is already irrelevant by now.

[@lvl99paint]

To me, the Metaverse represents the apotheosis of every bit of trite, meaningless corporate drivel and every soulless tech startup ambitious for monopoly over the past 20 years. It's a parody of itself. The product doesn't matter. The plan is to sell you nothing, and you will buy it because you'll be forced to (by your boss or investors or whatever). It's digital landlordism - providing you, the customer, with nothing while they collect their fee for every little interaction because they own the entire platform. Fortunately, they seem to have forgotten that the real world exists, and these moronic ideas explode on contact with reality as soon as they leave their incubators in the ivory towers of silicon valley's billionaire boardrooms. Good fucking riddance.

[@jpp2377]

well said

[@songohan3321]

So basically Meta is trying to add extra steps to using a computer.

[@jingbot1071]

MONETIZABLE steps!

[@dawkinshater101]

they're trying to create ready player one, with technology 15 years before its time.

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

I feel like we should be hyping the hell out of the Meta just to convince Lizard man to sink all of his money into it before it fails. The more he loses the more humanity wins.

[@aaaah540]

Metarbius

[@sussyamigos8835]

The logical next step is to go for another massive company

[@AnAntidisestablishmentarianist]

Yes. He's just a dumb nerd who got lucky enough to steal the right website in the right place at the right time. It's inevitable that he will fail hard, and the sooner the better.

[@jacquesdemolay5171]

It's wonderful that Zuck fancies himself as the face of the company, because no one could possibly turn away participants more easily than the king of creep himself.

[@Savage_D_777]

Yes that’s what I thought, Facebook became popular without him in the marketing. Now with him in the marketing front no one is buying this metaverse bore.

[@Acorn-lodge]

Shhhhhhh he might read this and stop doing it. We need him in all of the marketing, that way meta will truly crash and burn

[@macflod]

King of creep 😂

[@bestofthebest8523]

Why not? His souless face is suitable for this metaverse thing. Not even Data from Star Trek.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

At least Steve Jobs knew how to market himself and convince people he was not an asshole.

[@TheItalianoAssassino]

There are 3 tiers of being in Metaverse lore: 1.) The Zucc The Demiurg of this cruel world. He sees everything and can manipulate all aspects of reality AT will. 2.) The Legged The aristocrat class. They acquired funds through dubious means and now rule over the rest of the unfortunate beings. 3.) The Legless The absolute trash of lower society. No means to live and no food, they must roam the land. When they get too weak, their floating abilities fade and they collapse.

[@fredrickgarcia5091]

The legless will die off anyway... How are they even supposed to reproduce

[@famaya2422]

Just like this construct we live in

[@Capuchinho987]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@carriecrackrock1221]

Gay

[@maxpower2631]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Puzekat2]

The remark about the probability of aliens coming to us and they all looking like Mark, made me give you like!!

[@jordanf9257]

I honestly didn't even realise the Metaverse was "Functional" until just now... This is hilarious

[@Lenariet]

"Metaverse" number 5292 out of 73946. Because all the cool kids are doing their own "metaverse". Apparently even shitty mobile-esque mini games qualify as "metaverses" nowadays.

[@kacey4k]

Same here, I though it was still a work in progress, since what I thought was being described would take easily 2-4 years to develop. So it's no real surprise it looks so terrible. And to think I knew people who thought it would become the next VRChat. That's hilarious to think, now seeing what it actually looks like. I also never knew they were coming out with a new headset. Absolutely NOBODY is talking about the headset and it's coming out in a few days. None of the tech news I follow, none of the tech youtubers, none of the gaming news, absolutely nobody is talking about it. Which is probably because Meta has no clue that you need to give out an early either prototype, or just an early production model to tech people to make your stuff be seen.

[@senormarston]

I thought it was in development, too 😂😂😂 but I heard all those virtual lands been sold for millions of dollars, though. Not quite sure what's the scheme

[@johnplaysgames3120]

ikr? I've seen news stories about it go by from time to time but the screens from it always looked so wonky that I assumed I was looking at concept art and it was a WiP. I mean, I bailed out of FB years ago - not even because I'm up in arms about FB's biz practices but simply because I had literally zero interest in watching semi-distant relatives, friends of friends, and people I haven't spoken to since high school be desperate exhibitionists with their daily mundanities - so, despite being a huge fan of VR and near-future tech, I have had no interest in whatever Zuck was up to.

[@koreantxo]

Same here 😂

[@firewulfz]

I’m studying marketing and I know a lot of people who worked on some of the silicon valley accounts. I think part of the issue is that the people drafting the ideas are not the technical experts and they don’t get what made the original Internet great, which was giving people the freedom to do whatever they want. They want to create a curated Internet experience, but the enticement of the Internet focuses on the individual Contant creator and niche interests and communities around that.

[@Darth_Insidious]

At the same time, the modern internet demands that things be safe and presentable for your average citizen. It's no longer filled with nerds who presumably know what they are doing. The idea of the metaverse is being marketed to these average citizens, which include children, teenagers, seniors, and others who are less tech savvy or don't want to see objectionable content. The thing is corporations aren't going to be able to build all the infrastructure required for the next web revolution, just like they weren't able to for the last. I don't get why they aren't just building open tools like they were for much of the 2010s, and letting smaller companies and hobbyists take most of the risk.

[@JohnDlugosz]

"silicon" is what computer chips are made of. "silicone" is what fake boobs are made of. So "silicone valley" refers to...

[@intelligencecube6752]

@@JohnDlugosz Hahahahahaha 🤣

[@FoulUnderworldCreature]

@@JohnDlugosz Silicon Valley = San Jose Silicone Valley = Los Angeles

[@firewulfz]

@@JohnDlugosz thanks, don’t know why I didn’t catch that

[@happilyham6769]

I really don't see the benefits of a virtual avatar conversation over that of a simple video call or even just regular phone call. The Metaverse is a solution to a problem that does not exist. A growing trend in this day n age.

[@kiefershanks4172]

The Metaverse feels like a total panic move.

[@DanOneOne]

I can't understand the benefit of talking to some avatar of a person from 1000 miles away

[@Nohiro.3D]

@@DanOneOne none.

[@EternalHappElements]

@@DanOneOne one galaxy away.

[@adamx9065]

I wouldn't say that. It's clearly something Zuck's passionate about and something they've been planning/working on for years. It's still a bad idea of course.

[@checkoutmyyoutubepage]

Ya think? I feel the same thing with the Tesla AI day robot.

[@lehtspelt]

2:13 the N64 and the Gamecube were about being the most powerful consoles of their generation.

[@TheSeanUhTron]

Second Life is pretty much the original online virtual world, and it's still around today. Part of what helps it persist is that it's such a flexible platform. You can make and do pretty much anything in it. You aren't limited to untextured human avatars. Meta is completely missing the mark. Normal people don't want to do normal everyday things in a virtual world, they want to do things they normally can't do. Also, SL tried to do the "Make it look professional so businesses will do meetings in our virtual world" thing 10 years ago. It was a total wasted effort. And as an IT guy, I really hope that VR meetings never becomes a thing. It's just more obscure and proprietary hardware that I'd have to support.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

This even applies to stuff like farming sims, city builders, amusement park sims. There is almost always some reason they can't do it irl and it is less stressful in game when your life isn't on the line. For the Metaverse to even begin to work we'd have to outlaw cars, planes, and trains.

[@Jumbleman5]

Meta is missing the mark, but I think you're missing the mark too. Yes, normal people don't want to do everyday things in VR. They also don't want to do special things in VR either. Normal people want to do things in real life. A VR concert in the metaverse will never appeal to them versus going to do something in person. A VR poker game is convenient, but not as much fun as being around a table with your friends. Meta's mistake is trying to persuade everyone that this is technology that everyone would want, when only turbo nerds and children would ever be really interesting in using it everyday.

[@Frommerman]

That's an extremely good point. This thing feels like it came out of the mind of someone who has never worked a day in his life. Someone who works for a living would viscerally know that all their cool ideas would need to be maintained by an army of workers, that you couldn't just fire and forget a piece of tech. To Zuck, digital technology still feels magical because he's never experienced the drudgery behind the polished surface. He's like a child born in a castle who doesn't understand that silver tarnishes if you don't clean it.

[@sophiacristina]

Those are people that think the world is an office...

[@sophiacristina]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 Yes, i can't invoke a giant spider to destroy my city if i were a real life mayor!

[@SlumberBear2k]

One thing that I have learned as that no matter how big and invincible something seems, eventually it will die off. For example I remember in 2005 a girl talking to me about Facebook when it was 'invite only' and she was all enthusiastic about it. I literally joined facebook by INVITE in 2006. Then I remember that by 2009 it was already something I learned was toxic and to keep away from it, despite it being the biggest thing. Then by like 2015 it was something only grandmas used. And I remember that even MYSPACE seemed invincible back in like 2005-2006 and that went out I guess by 2008 or so! Things are never what they appear on the surface and Facebook is a perfect example of a paper tiger.

[@caterpilar]

Well, Instagram was an almost perfect app for a long time, still good, but the trend to add everything you can feels bad. KZbin on the other hand - still rising!

[@nighTmareCSGO]

I hope Tik Tok goes soon.

[@starchaser777]

i don't see this applying to youtube, tho. i mean, twitch is a big competitor but youtube being as big as it is i can't really see it's decay very soon.

[@futuza]

@@starchaser777 I wish it did though, it's monopoly let's KZbin get away with so much crap and never innovating.

[@vitocorleone1742]

@@starchaser777 because KZbin does not rely on any trend, I for myself watch a lot of videos about gang violence and skateboarding in the 80s and 90s, formats which wouldnt fit on any of these other platforms

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

How did MZ not realise the simple fact that the metaverse doesn't make anything simpler or quicker?

[@none_the_less]

He’s lost his window to step down from Facebook as and do something else with his life.

[@runoke]

Because it's hard for a long time multi-billionaire to realise what needs to be simpler or quicker in real life.

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

@@runoke Yeah, I guess he just gets someone else to do everything.

[@thecloneguyz]

It's very easy when you think about it he stole his first idea from somebody else and when he gained all the popularity from it he thought that meant that all of his ideas were good so he dumped a bunch of money into this and then he found out he should have just stolen another idea PFFFFTTBWUHAHA

[@rockafeller3734]

@@runoke he dosent play any games so when he probaly thought of this shitty game he probaly thought no new games have been made since 2008

[@DrNo64]

The first thing I said when I saw metaverse graphics was, "Bro. You can't pull this look off. You're not Nintendo."

[@trolliestofalltrolls7141]

As a wise man once said - 'Who put an elf with no friends in charge of human connections?'

[@Ohamskillua]

erb i love it too

[@TheCalmack]

capitalism, I believe ... "I view the market mechanism as running on a steepest descent towards a cost/energy minimum, in an attempt to maximize profit, which inevitably singles out the least valuable options, while wiping out anything that is of any value (but is not profit-making) along the process" (Aurora Apolito)

[@TheCalmack]

@@user-tm8jt2py3d I'll take your word for it that your nephew is intelligent, good for him. He will probably grow out of the "separate the chaff from the wheat" idea, but it's dangerous. Aurora Apolito is an anarcho-communist by the way... there may be an area of politics which you (he) hasn't encountered. But perhaps you already know it all lol

[@JathraDH]

The funny bit is this has all existed, except in a far better form for the last 15+ years in Second Life and other such virtual worlds, and yes most of those worlds have had VR support for awhile now. The thing I find most ironic is that people somehow think this is a new concept. Some of these projects may succeed long term, but it's kinda re-inventing the wheel.

[@blueslayer99]

Who is trying to claim it to be a new concept? I don't even think Meta (Facebook) is making such a claim. Just because there are existing FPS games doesn't mean that you can't have a new one. Just because Facebook exists doesn't mean you can't have Tiktok and other new social media companies. Reinventing the wheel is what got us really great products.

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@blueslayer99 There's a difference between "reinventing the wheel" and _claiming_ you've reinvented the wheel. All Meta's done is copy Second Life's homework but with added mistakes.

[@manictiger]

I doubt Meta will take off. You can't launch with hundreds or thousands and then expect that some time down the road, they'll have hundreds of millions. When your game costs 15 billion and launches worse than Undertale, a 200mb game, you have made a major mistake.

[@JathraDH]

@@blueslayer99 Its been touted by all the Web3 people as "the new greatest thing" and "the future" so yea people are in fact claiming its new.

[@JathraDH]

@@manictiger Oh I doubt Meta will take off either, but some stuff will probably eventually find a foothold. I am just not discounting the possibility that one of these projects may find long term success, not necessarily Meta however.

[@yngveerlandsen5319]

Mark is the only one acctualy looking more human in the metaverse than in real life. It all makes perfect sense!

[@SKYCHICK__]

He's a lizard man.

[@CyberVonCyberus]

He's using the metaverse to live out his fantasy of having eyebrows.

[@sturmtiger7704]

Good, Meta is a nightmare, so buggy and people get kicked for no reason. Not to mention the joke of a graphic.

[@sumankaishver4668]

I genuinely hate internet . We just actually take internet so casually , like reading an article about the health and anything like that but the thing that we suppose to understand is that these things provokes thoughts and when these things provokes thoughts it directly comes into our actions and then we act accordingly . Just , look your actions there is a thought (means some words) behind that .

[@aarong1092]

The thing that really gets me is how the "Metaverse" is supposed to be this ideal virtual world to make things more convenient, only for it to end up being much more costly and inconvenient then any other method of work, communication and entertainment. As someone who actually still believes VR has a ton of potential, I think Zuckerberg believes he is in a parallel universe where work and how people interact are set up completely different from our reality, and it really couldn't be more fitting for a guy like him.

[@crossdaboss8914]

VRs potential is mostly in job training in the future for traing with potentially deadly machine's or tasks Also allowing bed ridden people a way to to do some stuff in their life even if it's not real if the tech gets good enough it could have that use

[@RealBoiJare]

@@crossdaboss8914 meh, gaming will still be huge as well. Once they overcome the shortcomings of low processing power in order to run better graphics, there will be a lot larger investments made by game developers for cool games. Job training will also be utilized though

[@seekittycat]

Imagine trying to set up a zoom meeting with your team xcept now you have help them set up all their headsets (is it charged? is it plugged in?) and everyone is trying to figure out how to play the PowerPoint presentation in the metaverse what an absolute IT nightmare just for a simple meeting 🙃🙃

[@whenhen]

@@crossdaboss8914 The demonstration of the monitors was pretty cool as well, especially since I frequently travel for work and need to use my tablet or portable monitor as a second screen. That being said, unless they figure out how to not make it an ultra dorky headset, I’m sticking to my portable monitor

[@orangehatmusic225]

You guys do realize he stole the idea for Facebook & even VR right? Or are you all still just dumb and ignorant...

"They also shoot themselves in the leg, that explains the floating torsos". Give this man a joke award or 1000 u$s in applause points from meta hangout room

[@otherlego]

applause points…. Jeez man the guy being applauded doesn’t even get money

[@8bitHuman]

The Leg thing is not lazyness. its the fact that your brain can better handle no legs, then wrong legs. You just will get motion sick immediately if they put wrong legs under you.

[@SeanMurphy00]

My hope is that zuck continues to get just enough positive feedback/metrics that he continues to sink enormous amounts of capital, right up until it fails. And I’m also hoping the fail is large enough that it acts as an anchor and takes FB down the toilet where it belongs.

[@dokusha519]

361 users on his Metaverse doesn't seems to be great so I don't think this will happen, also, 50 mil for this is just stupid, most Likely to be a money laundry than a real thing

[@treyshaffer]

@@dokusha519 they've spent 40 billion thusfar on this. Absolutely bonkers.

[@usuariousuario-jf4hf]

Sean this is the best comment bar none. Rotfl😂😂

[@bronquitis890]

So Sweet words from you... how kind...

[@Angry-Lynx]

Yes, this! Unfortunately zuck and other leeches won't get broke, it will be actual workers who will get hurt by all this, the leeches at the top almost never loses, they just become leeches in another corpo : ( Working class always loses, billionaires always wins

[@billybrannon6394]

Recessions are part of the economic cycle, all you can do is make sure you're prepared and plan accordingly. I graduated into a recession (2009). My 1st job after college was aerial acrobat on cruise ships. Today I'm a VP at a global company, own 3 rental properties, invest in stocks and biz, built my own business, and have my net worth increase by $500k in the last 4 years.

[@KingDavid-jj7tk]

Let's face it... buying more stocks & index funds during stock market corrections and bear markets is scary. Which makes it really hard to do for most people like me. I have 260k i want to transfer into an s&s isa but its hard to bite the bullet and do it.

[@carter3294]

@Bobby Blue I agree with you totally Rose, Yes they can be positively impactful to an individual's portfolio. I started with a trust Financial Adviser named “Christine Ann Podgorny”. She is verifiable and her work ethic complies with the US Investment Act of 1940. Her approach is transparent, allowing full ownership and control of my portfolio with very reasonable fees relative to my portfolio earnings.

[@KingDavid-jj7tk]

@@carter3294 I know I've wanted to start investing for a few months, but just haven't had the courage to start because the market has been down for most of this year. Please how can I reckon with such skills and what are his services like?

[@carter3294]

@@KingDavid-jj7tk She covers things like investing, insurance, making sure retirement is well funded and looking at ways to have a volatility buffer for investment risk, lots of things like that. You can take a look at her full name on the internet. She is renowned. So it shouldn't be difficult to find her official webpage.

[@ikigu]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Y'all are entertaining.

[@VenturiLife]

"The Facebook owner spent $10 billion on the idea of an immersive virtual world in 2021 alone." ... RIP that's a lot of ad revenue blown. "Investing $10 billion in the metaverse is more than five times the amount of money Facebook paid to purchase the Oculus VR business in 2014 and 10 times what it paid to buy Instagram in 2012.2 Feb 2022" I think the first major blunder was not starting a DIFFERENT company called Meta, and funding that, so it wouldn't impact on Facebook's business at all. Could always merge them later if successful.

[@CookyMonzta]

He renamed his parent company because he saw the writing on the wall, that _Facebook_ had become a dirty word. He did nothing but put lipstick on a pig or spray a full can of deodorant on a pile of shit. You'll still have the pig and the pile of shit when the lipstick and deodorant wear off!

[@SlurMaster9000]

Exactly. That's what people like Dorsey and Musk have done, and it makes sense, since SpaceX isn't going to attract the same investors as Tesla. I bet a lot of investors are leaving because Facebook is going from a stable company with a massive ad/data business to one that's dumping money into something that probably won't be profitable for another decade at least.

[@Darth_Insidious]

On the other hand keeping it in house lets Zuc throw the full weight of the company into this project. It could be a unprecedented payoff if it works like Zuc says it will. But more than likely it's already a unrecoverable loss and Meta will never be a good growth stock investment.

[@prawtism]

Court cases made Facebook not viable anyway

[@VenturiLife]

@@Darth_Insidious Some of Meta's smartest developers have already left, and one I spoke with basically agreed; people are not going to strap TV's to their face for extended periods of time and live in Meta's version of the Metaverse being advertized to. Fortnite / Minecraft didn't do that and they've killed it. With the equivalent of in-game / DLC / paid content (NFT-alike). I get why Zuc thought that keeping it under Facebook may be the way to do it, but I think it was a failure in terms of brand etc. and the market has decided for him. Facebook was a brand built over decades, and was just overnight replaced with an unproven scheme called Meta, that unsettled investors. I think the current idea is sunk cost for Meta, hopefully they've been building invisible value we haven't seen yet but I'm not counting on it. The Metaverse is also a crypto play, we'll see that emerge too.

[@planescaped]

The Metaverse is going to go down as one of the worst company botches of the modern era. That's for sure.

[@gomezfriesen]

As an ex animator, that footage of the motion captured Zuckerberg, I can tell you that the animator took the Larm and offset it by about 4-5 frames from the Rarm to make it look more "real", charged zuck a bazillion dollars, and called it a day.

[@vapeurdepisse]

Yeah whatever that means LOL

[@fennix3535]

Can you dumb it down?

[@MegaJayden26]

That’s why your an ex animator

[@gomezfriesen]

Ha ha ha. Watch the hands. Thry are doing the same thing, but one hand is just always slightly behind, or delayed, to what the other hand does. It's a lazy animator trick.

[@gomezfriesen]

@Adrian ha ha ha.

[@musictech85]

I work remotely and everytime a client says they need to do a video meeting it ends up being an hour of fluff and pleasantries for something they could have easily been written in an email in 5 minutes.

[@heartlights]

It's pretty funny too how, despite committing to making the other users look so lame, they really put so much into making the Zuck mii move exactly like the real Zuckbot.

[@alexinfinite7142]

Could've cured cancer with that money and effort. Why do people think corporations and CEOs deserve so much power is beyond me.

[@Rul_27]

Mark got in love with Facebook juvenile office designs so he wants to share that with everyone. What he doesn’t realize is that people don’t really want to be in an office anymore, even if it is a virtual office. People want to be with their families and outside.

[@Savage_D_777]

“Juvenile office designs” oooft!!! Too right!!!!

[@Teporame]

Facebook already stripped us from many aspects of human touch, with the metaverse he pretended to isolate us in a virtual world, the problems that I see are that covid made us realize how important for our lives direct social contact is, and how short life is to waste in imaginary things that are a very crude imitation of real life.

[@dama301]

@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ bro you just took that off the bible app verse of the day

[@KevinElmoreArkansas]

YES!!!! ❤️🙌

[@Azzie_S]

He's probably one of those managers who likes the office because it forces other people to routinely spend an extended period of time with him. A captive audience for his nonsense.

[@user-sp2qr1lh4t]

Zuck: Hey what if we did vrchat but uglier, remove all the fun and freedom, and make people pay for dumb things like applaud. What do you guys think? Room is silent Zuck: Why is nobody applauding?

[@MEZHGANO]

Thanks for all humanity to saying just “no” to meta and stuff like that

[@daviousmaximus6446]

90% of them would still blow Elon.

[@MEZHGANO]

@@daviousmaximus6446 he is next boss to

[@cheifrazors1299]

@@daviousmaximus6446 But it wasn’t Elon who proposed something as retarded as the Metaverse.

[@DanielGreis1]

I have never understood what the problem with voice only meetings is. I absolutely love it, that you can just do whatever on your 2nd screen or taking notes, without it being awkward because you would have to look at people who are talking to you.

[@Mautar55]

I like that discord just put a gif that plays while you are talking. It fits really well!

[@wayland7150]

Voice only meetings people don't even have half a body.

[@J5L5M6]

I personally prefer to see human facial response when in a meeting. But, for the most part I agree. Voice is great and we can quickly respond/interject if something is not fully understood.

[@sola7112]

Mark is definitely AI. Without Meta he can’t dominate the world.

[@Roxor128]

Considering the weird results some of our current attempts at AI produce, Mark Fuckyouberg being such a prototype makes a lot of sense.

[@Joosher56]

“Mark” is just an abbreviation of “total domination mk2.exe”

[@bendonaldreal]

but he WONT dominate the world

[@hiddenwings91]

Well, I'm on board with he's not human. Mark: I mean I am human!

[@SKYCHICK__]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/maCkeqyIfL6Giqc

[@Cloudef]

"I'm so tired of having a meetings that could just be emails" This so much

[@FLABrowncoat]

I just love how in the promo footage at the beginning of this vid, Zuck looks so relieved to enter the metaverse, like "Oh god, yes, at last I shed this filthy vessel of flesh and bone."

[@SurmenianSoldier]

@Whats🅰pp±⓵⓹⓻⓽⓸⓻⓼⓻⓻⓺⓼ the jim button

[@delilas2398]

Why does Mark always look uncanny, nomatter if he's animated or not

[@GTPLewellen]

He's an alien planted here by God.

[@marcducati]

In VR, if I can’t steel a car at a red light and mow down pedestrians with it, I’m not interested.

[@adanandrade4714]

Meta didn't have a choice but to rush out an incomplete product. With apple and android being able to cut off their life support they had to create a new way for people to access their platform so that they could maintain complete control. Hence oculus rift and the meta verse.

[@henrysmith9725]

What control are they maintaining. They're spending billions to maintain a customer base of less than a thousand daily users.

[@hiimjustin8826]

@@henrysmith9725 They're trying to control the hardware that allows them to collect all of your data and sell ads to you directly without interference from Google or Apple.

[@aluisious]

They had to rush out a $20B platform that 300 people use. That would be fine if it was a mission to Mars, but it's basically bad VR Chat.

[@marshhen]

I love the fact you state that when apple made it possible for us to BLOCK Facebook tracking us to sell us to advertisers it lost its business model. That just makes me so happy. Human beings deserve so much better than what these tech billionaires want to turn us into. Beyond what you say about the headset. Who wants to work all day with a headset covering their eyes !?!?!??

[@alkaholic4848]

Meanwhile Apple, despite charging you a ridiculous amount for the device in the first place, are selling your data and advertisements themselves.

[@babek6662]

I’ve never heard of this, how do I block their tracking ?

[@AdminAbuse]

@@babek6662 did you even watch the video then?

[@darkithnamgedrf9495]

@@babek6662 a prompt pops up when an app first attempts to use tracking and asks if you want to allow it or block tracking for the app

[@glub1381]

Would you rather tell advertisers what your favorite color is and what sports you play or pay a subscription for services like Google, KZbin, and Instagram?

[@MegaICS]

"I'm so tired of having meetings that could just be e-mails" I know that this video is about Metaverse but holy cannoli is this true

[@MirceaKitsune]

Expectations of what would cause the next economic collapse: War, famine, disease, corruption, social unrest. That thing we call reality: Billionaires lose their minds over video games with monitor glasses, destroy serious businesses to play with 3D models.

[@LaurenzNotHere]

Dam bro they got into the MMO genre about 15 years too late. Unlucky miscalculation.

[@ContemplativeCat]

People don't want to live in a virtual metaverse, they want to live real lives.

[@mademsoisellerhapsody]

If they could make the headgear look like a crown 👑it might get more traction

[@brinckau]

I thought they were spending a third of their awake time in front of a screen.

[@abdirahmanidris290]

​@@brinckau and look at all the depression soaring

[@brinckau]

@@abdirahmanidris290 Indeed. Getting rid of the Internet and TV would be a huge improvement, both for our minds and for the environment. But it's not gonna happen.

[@abdirahmanidris290]

@@brinckau yeah. I never had a phone until the age of 16. And i was far happier because i didn't have one. Real life is being snatched away from us

[@ScottySR]

The Mii characters actually look nice. They have a very specific stylized look, which gives them a unique charm. To me it looks like the metaverse avatars are kinda half way between trying to look stylized and trying to look realistic, which gives them a strange look. I don't personally mind that the environment is simple (there are games that look just as simple and look good), but the avatars just look so strange. Its like they are lacking cohesion. It feels like they are trying to take what's popular and trying to figure out how to make the most money out of it, instead of thinking why people use virtual world and what makes it fun for them. If you want to make something, the user experience should come first, not the monetization.

[@Cocog232]

The metaverse characters look like the overdone Fortnite crap

[@danielbush6882]

I still don't see the "metaverse" being anything different than a big interconnected video game.

[@117johnpar]

I at least have to give zucc props for physically putting his freakish fishalien headed neck out on all of his ventures and not just having some spokesperson figurehead start covering for him.

[@john_smith_john]

That probably falls more into self-importance than bravery. He wants to be a powerful spokesman like Steve Jobs was, but without any of the charisma or business instinct.