The Metaverse Is The World's Deepest Money Pit

Meta continues to shoot itself in the foot, spending billions of dollars on the metaverse while only having a couple hundred users on the whole platform.
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[@AceVideosOfficial]

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake…

[@KevinElmoreArkansas]

The Art of War?

[@somerandomvertebrate9262]

@@KevinElmoreArkansas Napoleon Bonaparte.

[@GabrielConstantinides]

Michael Scofield

[@JusFnKevn]

200th like 😎👍🏾

[@JusFnKevn]

@@KevinElmoreArkansas Shang Tsung

[@katehikes1645]

If Facebook loses everyone wins

[@angelux079]

@Chad 007 No

[@MikeJones-mf2rt]

@@simc... Malware

[@mattbob1995]

puts

[@IodizedNaCL]

ever thought of what happened when tumblr died then a bunch of femcels started pouring in twitter and then started to cause a lot of shit to go down? now imagine a bunch of south east asians invading every known social media platform. besides its better if facebook is still up because it keeps the cringe to a minimum level

[@TheJanitorIsIn]

Based.

[@CyberVonCyberus]

The Metaverse exists solely to allow Zuck to live out his fantasy of having eyebrows.

[@robertturner4955]

... and friends.

[@matthewmarais2039]

Nah that there was a violation

[@GT-pl1wx]

🤣 Soooo goooood!!!!!

[@VintageMovieChannel]

and a "life"

[@song8777]

That's it!

[@RobertoFornaro]

"I'm so tired of having meetings that could have just been emails" hit me so hard

[@aceg81]

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[@thecapone45]

I’m so glad my job doesn’t do this! We haven’t had meetings in over a year. Even before COVID the meetings were monthly and only with top managers.

[@queen_eldf]

I'm so tired having emails that could have just been texts.

[@Darckfire43]

I'm so tired of having texts that could have been nothing

[@Ligands23]

_"I'm so tired of having meetings that could just be emails."_ Absolutely, and that's the big glaring problem that the Zuck just doesn't seem to understand- the _entire world_ is getting sick of unnecessary virtual meetings.

[@golarac6433]

@xraf32 just play chocolate doom in the background

[@manzanito3652]

The reason so many high ups and Ceos love unneccesary meetings is because it's one of the few instances where they interact directly with their employees and feel they are doing "something".

[@electronresonator8882]

he tried his luck once, and now he tried it again, ....that's it

[@Clanker]

@@golarac6433 W i do that

[@dorukurganc445]

whatever makes the boss feel important

[@thebestworst8002]

I honestly hate how people are comparing the metaverse characters to the miis. The miis were great because they never tried to look realistic. They had a variety of expressions and situations that they could be used in but their simplicity gave them charm and they never fell into an uncanny valley. The metaverse character try looking realistic but since they don’t go all the way and try to look like what real life actually looks like, they look so dull, lifeless, and bland

[@Bpinator]

I agree the Miis are charming they look like toys, Metas characters have zero charm at all. Though it is notable that Metaverse Zuck looks more human than real zuck.

[@thebestworst8002]

@@Bpinator even Zuck in the metaverse doesn’t look good. Sure he looks “more human” but that doesn’t make you immune to the uncanny valley unless it goes all the way and looks indistinguishable from reall people

[@timelinegod2995]

Mii are better than this meta crap

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

I think it’s because miis and metaverse characters are both ugly af ngl

[@thatonerock3820]

Well spoken

[@ROMANTIKILLER2]

Whenever I hear about the Metaverse being presented as the future of business meetings, a chill goes down my spine imagining how many hours could be wasted interacting with stupid virtual avatars instead of just sending one damn email.

[@iriskedlol9077]

Bad man come with bad idea

[@utubeape]

the worry is that they focus on schools and it become essential for all children to have one, that's where the money is.

[@jonreededworthy7518]

Essentially the Quest Pro is failing to appeal to workers because it would add an unacceptable level of intrusion and inconvenience to their jobs, and it’s failing to appeal to managers because it’s trying to provide a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist

[@ducktape4502]

You have 0 sales and use metrics on the pro so stop with the cap already. We dont know if they are being adopted in the workplace yet

[@Kira-pv4xq]

@@ducktape4502 s h u t

[@reoire843]

At best, that headset seems like a gimmicky toy for companies with massive budgets. A simple Zoom meeting already does everything you might need it to for remote work. And already I find that to be overused in the workplace. We don’t need yet another layer of superfluous bullcrap to waste even more productivity at work.

[@reoire843]

@Richard Dickinson Yeah, it just seems unnecessary and inconvenient. I wonder if you could even do things like drink your coffee or water while wearing one. Or imagine trying to have a lunch meeting and eat while wearing it.

[@TwoBs]

@@ducktape4502 Let’s be real, no company is adopting this shit. It’s a waste of money on top of time. Why adopt something that already has a simple solution via clicking an email or answering a call on a desktop or phone without having to use anything else? It’s just not appealing for the workplace no matter how many people hope and wish for it. Not anytime soon, that for sure. Zoom was essentially a more real life simplified version of all of this, and companies got tired of that shit real quick during COVID and don’t want to go back to that.

[@chubbycatfish4573]

The Metaverse would have been badass in 2001.

[@leomassafm160]

The Metaverse deadass looks like an early GameCube game.

[@snood3948]

PSO came out in 2000 bruh 💀

[@leomassafm160]

@@snood3948 the early 2000s were wild bruh

[@albertsun3393]

Then Second Life was a thing, lol

[@snowcloudshinobi]

it was called worlds chat and it's been around since 1995.

[@Zen-mc1sf]

How does Zuck look more human in meta than in real life

[@toby_cm]

Zuck.

[@angelux079]

@Chad 007 No

[@DawnMacaron]

Why is this true. I even checked back to make sure.

[@VenturiLife]

Less lizard DNA? 😏

[@interstellarsurfer]

Nvidia is closer to approximating a soul than his people ever have been.

[@hughmongous2554]

No lower bodies means no "sexual harassment". I actually expect this to be one of the reasons behind that weird decision to not give the avatars a full body.

[@TeaWithTay]

Wasn’t this an actual thing in the beginning. Some people reported being sexually assaulted in the meta verse

[@lavenderrose1107]

There’s probably still sexual harassment but it speak volumes to how weird this society is yeeesh

[@animepussy8356]

I'll find a way.

[@astrataway7077]

There were Freudian slips somewhere along the way...

[@chiranjeevsahoo4960]

@@TeaWithTay imagine getting dry humpped by a loser when trying to give a presentation.

"They also shoot themselves in the leg, that explains the floating torsos". Give this man a joke award or 1000 u$s in applause points from meta hangout room

[@otherlego]

applause points…. Jeez man the guy being applauded doesn’t even get money

[@donkerbolls]

I like how Mark is basically just like "what is the metaverse? Im glad you asked. All you need to know is that you love the metaverse and you always will" and expects us to just buy into it, still without knowing wtf it is

[@JM-zg2jg]

Yep. Which explains why he is desperately trying to link it with crypto. They both rely on the same sales tactic, and you end up with the same end result. Nothing or less.

[@loth4015]

@@JM-zg2jg Exactly. Both try to sell you nothing

[@KamikazeChinaman]

Metaverse is the path of achieving communion with our God and Savior, Mark the Zuck.

[@moshunit96]

Reminds me of game companies trying to incorporate crypto into games and telling the skeptical players they just don't understand it yet.

[@sideparting6845]

@@JM-zg2jg I wonder if in the meta verse we'll be able to build a colossal virtual pyramid to match the pyramid/Ponzi scheme that crypto is? Then take a screenshot of it and sell it as a NFT. The virtual world would then be complete.

[@WriggleNB]

I honestly keep forgetting Metaverse exists until someone says how bad it's failing. Then I proceed to forget about it again and go about my day.

[@GrumpyGremlin.]

Meta what now?

[@thelazyguy3735]

At least marketing is working

[@NobleOmnicide]

@@thelazyguy3735 LoL! Are they? Working on what? OPs comment seems to indicate otherwise and he's not alone in that opinion.

[@thelazyguy3735]

@@NobleOmnicide in a sense that everyone talks about it, even though noone joins it. So it might be half working

[@NobleOmnicide]

@@thelazyguy3735 LoL! Okay, that's fair. I guess there's no such thing as bad publicity, right?

[@curiousadventuresof]

I think what Meta and social media is teaching everyone is simply that, at the end of the day, most people want REAL connections with real people in as real an environment as possible. We want virtual connections for that downtime in between.

[@0ptimal]

Sure, that'll always be a thing, but if the time comes where this tech becomes more optimal to use than not, things will change. People used to speak similarly about texting. If people start figuring out that they have an edge using the tech, or it's just funner, or makes things easier, then the masses will come. Hopefully it's not FB, but it's coming, n Zukky knows it.

[@kubaproszowski4279]

Do you think this is some intergovernemntal crazy vilain project to make us get back to The Old ways of socialising?

[@curiousadventuresof]

@@kubaproszowski4279 hahaha i wonder

[@danielavanilla4331]

This needs to get pinned

[@sjie1874]

@@0ptimalyeah I agree , at one moment it will be the standard …but right now we don’t have the actual technology to feel it real , the reason text became popular is it was easy and fast , none of this process of metaverse seems easy or fast

[@louisgiokas2206]

Good insights into the metaverse. It reminds me of Second Life (SL). I used that early on, just a little bit, for remote meetings. It was not really something that useful. Zoom and MS Teams is more than fine for that purpose, with no extra hardware required. One of the things Meta touts is augmented reality. That can be useful for industrial companies but is not something a consumer would need. The spending by tech companies that rely in advertising, on everything, is just out of control. They have more employees than the companies that were involved in aerospace and defense. Believe me, their actual products are much simpler. I come from the A&D world. I will make a prediction. The metaverse, if they improve their graphics, will become a porn site, a lot like SL.

[@andrejspetersons8500]

Second Life is still alive (almost 20 years!), is being updated and the company still makes money. They have a strong community and that's even excluding everything porn related.

[@0ptimal]

AR will dominate the consumer market. The smartphone was a step towards that, and it's time is running short.

[@louisgiokas2206]

@@andrejspetersons8500 Having a strong community is one thing. The real question is the growth.

[@that1niceguy246]

Can't wait for the coming (cvming?) Meta cetegory on PH and others

[@handleneeds3charactersormore]

@@that1niceguy246 but where do you put the d if they have no legs, no weenie and no bunny Wait now I'm interested

[@Battleneter]

I can't even begin to describe how uninterested I am in the Metaverse, other than as a form of amusement watching a billionaire flush billions down the toilet.

[@joeysipos]

Until you try a quest 2 and then like it... its actually surprisingly fun.

[@robbenfelix]

My thoughts and feelings exactly.

[@-_Somebody_]

Same 🤭

[@_hanz73]

@@joeysipos there's a lot more VR games that's way better than Metaverse... Like Vr Chat for example oh and it have legs!

[@_hanz73]

@@joeysipos yeah, I meant like the whatever world thing he's developing. And yes that's true

[@randomdeutsch5489]

It's so insane how they are trying to get these virtual offices off the ground. No one wants to go to an office in real life, why would anyone want to wear a VR headset all day just to be in a virtual office? You don't get any of the benefits of working from home but you do get additional eye-strain. Sounds horrible

[@yxcjeje]

Those who actually see value in being in an office often want to attend it IRL anyway because why chatting with people remote if attending them live is more fun (and productive)?

[@leeham6230]

This is the worst business decision of all time. Facebook was always destined for a slow death, but this speedrun to the bottom is way more entertaining.

[@randomdeutsch5489]

@@ILubBLOfficial I'm not a teenager, and I am aware of the benefits of going to an actual office. I am sorry my original comment focused mainly on one side of the discussion, which is people who do not actually like going to an office (read up on articles about people's reluctance to go back after home-offices during covid time). I'm an adult who quite enjoys meeting people in real life. You are very condescending

[@yxcjeje]

@@ILubBLOfficial I work in IT, so my experience does not apply to all forms of labor without compulsory need for physical attendance. Both remote work and office work have their validity, but it depends on the situation. Remote work is best suitable for concentration-intensive and heavily self-managed work. You are in silence and if you have a question, you call (or write) a colleague via mostly Teams. It works decently well if it is an integrated solution. Office work is preferred if you need a lot of communication, e.g. at the beginning of a project or to demonstrate something that works bad in an online conference. It also has an immense social component; yes, colleagues are not by default your friends, but they are still humans and actually having some sort of social attendance related to your work benefits your mental health (unless anxieties are at play). The metaverse idea of attending a virtual office pretty much combines most of the worst of both realms: Social isolation and strain on your eyes from home office, physical obligation and distraction from attendance. Who seriously wants this?

[@therabbithat]

man my GLASSES annoy me being on my face all day, and they are so light

[@CaptainWannabe]

1:27 LOL the little wii dude getting smacked by the basketball

[@andreaudio]

I’ve found one really god use for it. A natural gas company here in Brazil is using it to replicate by the detail one of their gas plant. They are giving training for their staff without any risk of personal. Actually if you proceed to do some dumb mistake in the metaverse the plant explodes. Its like a plain simulator.

[@milkgrapes6420]

"Meta shot themselves in the legs which is probably why they have floating torsos" Nice.

[@markm0000]

Savage

[@drakkenmensch]

They had to invent legs for the sole purpose of shooting themselves in those.

[@iaminhere6022]

I absolutely love the Meta Verse. Because it costs them a ton of money while making no money back, and destroying their reputation amongst investors, and making banger memes. And if Meta looses Money, humanity gets a W.

[@fuziontonygaming]

I only feel bad for the employees that were naive and taken advantage of by Mark only to get laid off. Don’t feel bad for Zucc though.

[@fyt54321]

@@fuziontonygaming "I only feel bad for the employees" ... even though just 'rank and file' staff who have no involvement whatsoever in management or strategy they know what they signed up for. If you work at a tech giant you are aware of the game plan. If the company does well you may still be there years later. But if the company is performing poorly you may just be in the next large round of layoffs.

[@bamf6603]

Meta Verse is going to fail. And what did he expected that we would turn away from real life to some silly simulation.

[@avernikas]

Its money summoning! Zuckerberg used the Hollywood tried and true trick of swindling investors

[@KamikazeChinaman]

@@fuziontonygaming Whatever. They will just jump around between tech companies in Silicon Valley collecting jobs for their resume as long as they're not wrong thinkers.

[@blehmeh9889]

2:05 Miis have been around far longer than 10 years. While the "Mii-Verse" as a term may have launched with the Wii U 10 years ago, Miis were a thing as far back as the original Wii in 2006. Meanwhile, the Wii used hardware very similar to what the Gamecube used in 2001, save for the full DVD drive and the motion controls. The Wii had the Mii program for creating Miis and also launched with Wii sports, a motion game that used the Miis directly. More nintendo licensed games would soon come out for the Wii that used the Miis as the playable protagonists over time, first adhering largely to the sports and "fitness" genres of gameplay and branching out over time. Also, I too would agree that the Miis are better than the Facebook characters, but because the Mii characters look noticeably better if you pay attention to details. The Miis at least had decent lighting on their bodies and a shiny sheen applied to them to prevent them from falling into the uncanny valley. Mii body parts weren't painted with a bright, flat fullbright color, as they appear to have color gradients and basic lighting, which breaks up the color and makes them easy on the eyes. Meanwhile, that facebook character in the GIF had completely constant "full-bright" lighting with completely flat and bright colors and no sheen of any kind. It hurts your eyes to look at the Facebook character. It's almost as if the Miis were designed by artists who knew how to design something that's appealing to look at, expressive, versatile, and simple to render even on old hardware, whereas the Facebook characters were designed by people whose job it is to maintain an aging social media site.

[@thebbcjoke]

"I'm so tired of having meetings that should have just been e-mails." - Mental Outlaw and every corporate wagie ever

[@gwiz6955]

Daily discussions on how we implement innovative solutions and achieve our SMART goals will help this company get out of the red.

[@SpacerZVEVO]

It's hilarious that the old Oculus company actually had a working model for full body tracking using a webcam (not even a Kinect) before they were assimilated into Facebook, but it suddenly vanished after its showcase. Zuck is trying so hard to claim ownership over the VR space, meanwhile they're unable to get even the most basic functionality working while VRChat, NeosVR, ChilloutVR, ect. have done so for years.

[@kurotesuta]

It was a big loss for VR that oculus got absorbed by Facebook, the meta/oculus integration is just bs, and despite that I still think the Oculus is a good starting headset.

[@user9267]

Even Rec Room is way better

[@MentalParadox]

My 2016 Rift is still going strong. 2013 DK1 also still in excellent condition

[@insanospaz]

@@MentalParadox Still rolling with my og Vive

[@4m4n40]

It’s probably gonna grow as slow as epic game’s store did.

[@sessi0ns11]

Humans: We work in shitty offices and go to boring meetings. Metaverse: But just imagine if you worked in shitty offices and went to boring meetings... IN VR!

[@desertguy1362]

All yes men working for him. 😂

[@benfelps]

lol right the story telling is horrendous. with our technology, you can live your current life but worse!

[@Graphomite]

I wanna take my shitty office and boring meetings home with me.

[@TC-lk2ev]

with ads!

[@willy4170]

Shut up and take my money!

[@dragontamer2596]

Meta’s decisions are currently hurting or may hurt even further the VR industry. There are places where virtual reality is being used as a hang out space that are way better than anything we currently see from Meta or things that tag themselves as being part of the “Metaverse”. Sadly, these things are more than likely gonna be hurt by these bad decisions.

[@KevinMitchell1963]

Zuck’s Meta Avatar is about the only thing creepier than Zuck himself. I’m looking forward to Facebook being a penny stock and Zuck returning to whatever planet he came from

[@curtiskretzer8898]

You should see the Zuck Chucky doll.

[@megax5000]

Minor correction: the tech behind the wii isn't 10 years older than metaverse. It's actually more than 20 years older than metaverse.

[@HandleDisliker]

This. For anyone wondering why, the Wii is essentially a Gamecube emulator with motion controls. As its focus was on that- motion controls- and not cutting-edge graphics, Nintendo didn't exactly update the hardware.

[@plumebrise4801]

@@HandleDisliker Oh thanks I finally got the responses for a question I had for multiple years (Why is the Wii less powerful than the Gamecube ? Like seriously why does F-Zero GX work perfectly fine on Gamecube but lag really hard on the Wii)

[@therabbithat]

@@HandleDisliker yeah when the wii came out in 2006 we were all really shocked how terrible the graphics were,, but the controls were so cool and the way the multiplayer worked were so cool that it still did really well

[@joshfdesigns]

He did say Wii U, but yeah the design of Miis is 15 years old.

[@mortson978]

He was specifically referring to the miiverse. Not the wii itself.

[@probablyjohn5589]

Please keep encouraging Facebook to burn money on the Metaverse.

[@zackjohnston-watson4874]

I pray Facebook goes under

[@sean640]

The developers are trolling

[@mrbisshie]

This. I hope he drives his company into the ground, by trying to make this shit work. I love watching corporations burn money.

[@Veso266]

Why do you hope that? What did facebook do to you? You will loose whatsApp, instagram, facebook messanger and a lot of your "friends" whose contact you only have through messenger, and dont forget many talented people will lose their jobs I dont care dor meta, the way it is now, its just second life on steroids, once we loose internet, we have darkness, but, maybe we could use its headset to add vr to real thing (this does have camera right, so you can see the real world if you want?)

[@SpartanHawk]

I hope this is the one grand master plan behind all the Enn-Uff-Tee, May-Tuhh-Vurrs etc. horse shit floating around the cesspool known as "Internet".

[@Dehslash9]

What the Metaverse should be used for is creativity. That's really all it's good for. I would love to work remotely in a 3D space with other employees to animate entire scenes for movies, tv shows and video games. For a reference look up Dreams for ps4/5 or Quill VR. In Horizon Worlds we could share games and animated experiences with everyone and see some of them in either our own spaces or in one Big Meta City with tons of games and experiences to see and do. It's all there, Zuckerberg just has to put on the effort.

[@88Cardey]

When he first unveiled "meta" it looked more like a bad pitch for a black mirror episode than something that belongs in reality. I'm still not convinced Mark Zuckerberg isn't waring a man suit like an alien from Men in Black. Strange, strange man.

[@Dan16673]

Lol

[@tomlxyz]

The Metaverse tries to recreate everything from reality that people try to escape from by going digital

[@chubbachoo7448]

I too want to escape *L E G*

[@sinaruden9280]

That's what I have been thinking about. Does he not remember why facebook became famous? Internet is escapism lil alien bro. Must have gotten his memory reset at some point.

[@murdechoc]

Yeah exactly lol, like shopping in a mall in aisles and picking up a product on a shelf instead of scrolling a web page. But, the only nice thing could be when you shop online with a VR headset, you can take the object you wanna buy in your hands and see how big it is and how it's shaped in 3D. I'M not even sure it's related to the facebook metaverse tho.

[@crossdaboss8914]

Also the fact they are acting like this is a new concept when it's been done since the 90s

[@tylerhawley4012]

Yeah, just about no one who likes gaming wants work to be gamefied too

[@aaronrobertson5141]

Meta Logic- Everyone: "Cant we just text each other?" Zuck: "No, the future is taking screenshots of our text messages and emailing them to each other"

[@robertwildschwein7207]

Zuck: "The future is living in a virtual universe where there is NO LEGS!!!"

[@bluebowser3347]

@@robertwildschwein7207 I heard he was worried about being sued for discrimination as he didn't know how to implement wheel chair users. In order to remedy this he made avatars lack legs. It wasn't until he got the all clear from multiple legal advisers he decided to implement legs and exclude the disabled from the metaverse.

[@ivandankob7112]

Look, we need to find a way to cramp 30 minutes of ads into this process

[@robertwildschwein7207]

@@bluebowser3347 Or just add wheelchairs in an update if that's so important. It wouldn't be hard to make as the legs movements didn't have to be tracked.

[@deathdog1392]

@@bluebowser3347 that doesn't make much sense. How would a wheelchair be so much harder to animate than legs? Also, can you imagine the AI telling your disabled and putting your character in a wheelchair by default? Like one even has to be crippled in this fantasy universe 😂 its a funny idea tho.

[@240fxst]

Zuck's distorted view on real life experiences. He's an alien in human form. That is his goal eventually.

[@tuxedomask3483]

VR dev here! I work in academia, so I really hate metaverse because its made it really difficult to have VR in a lab environment. However, id like to provide some context to the issues you bring up, since some of these are def metaverse being silly as hell, but some are actually - believe it or not - just kind of VR best practices. - First: VR has to render the scene stereoscopically. This means it renders the same scene twice from different perspectives (once to the left eye and once to the right eye) to get a realistic illusion of depth (you could render once then copy one eye to the other, but its not as believable and can be nauseating). Vr also must track a lot of positional data. This means VR apps need to be super optimized, so they can only handle graphics about as good as a mobile phone. Now, metaverse is ugly ugly and they worked very poorly within those constraints, but its super misleading and... really completely unapplicable to compare VR capabilities to something like ffxii (good taste though) or graphics in AAA games. Miiverse is a great example though, as those models were built to communicate character and expression without HD graphics. VR chat would also be a good example, or even vtubers! because you can see what people have done with 10k polygon limitations in VR :) (seriously, imagine if your polygon limit was the equivalent of a kratos nipple) - Dynamic shadows are extremely expensive to process as well, and from the perspective of someone in VR, you rarely rarely look down at your legs or notice not having shadows. When I introduce someone to VR, not having legs is often one of the first observations, but its... never reallly brought up again! Also: legs can actually be nauseating if theyre in app, because - like you mentioned - tracking can rarely work well for legs. Not just technologically, but practically! Different heights can mean sensors within the HMD- which have become more commonplace- cant really see the feet of taller people. If the legs are out of sync with your actual feet, it can cause simulation sickness (essentially reverse motion sickness). Also- you guessed it, cutting out an ultimately unnecessary part of the model saves on our 'budget' for graphics. Basically, no legs is standard in VR, even preferrable, but it looks weirder when youre watching footage and not in VR. Granted, this really only works for solo vr games - in multiplayer its just as weird. - quest pro virtual office is a total fucking meme to vr devs. Its absolutely ridiculous. No one wants to wear a headset that long, hands down, theyre way too uncomfortable and heavy. One thing my team always asks before taking on a project is: does this need to be VR? And in this case: hell no! (Edited bc my - marks made it strikethrough lol)

[@tycboi]

Thanks for the explanation!

[@esosaimasuen8122]

Loved this, but spaces between paragraphs would encourage more people to read it.

[@nguyennguyenkhang5800]

This comment should be upvote

[@ChunkyWaterisReal]

Imo getting leg trackers was the best thing to happen for immersion I did next to actually buying the index itself

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

I didn't even realise the Metaverse had launched yet. I assumed it was something they were still working on that might be launched a few years from now.

[@Thislesbiannevermisses]

Omg same

[@vin_dk]

Didn’t you know? For the past couple of years EVERYTHING has been in pre alpha release hell. I guess that is extended to the Metaverse as well and not just games. Maybe at some point they’ll see the trends

[@oliverriezebos]

I also had no idea. That shows how bad this shit flopped

[@cleb94]

The Metaverse is a concept that has been around for a long time and was not invented by Meta. The metaverse reference in the video (decentraland) has no affiliation with Meta.

[@oliverriezebos]

@@cleb94 yeah we no that but I didn't notice it was already realised yet

[@steel5897]

The headset not being able to track your legs is not an excuse. Literally a couple of NEETs made a mod for Skyrim called VRIK, and it simulates your full body including legs and feet. It's not 100% accurate of course, but it does a damn good job at approximating your movement, all in a FREE MOD in a crappy VR port of a 2011 game using an engine from the early 2000s.

[@discordlexia2429]

That's because NEETs make things for the sake of making things, whereas corpos make things for the sake of making money. It's not about producing anything people either need or want anymore, it's just about making sure there's always something to spend money on and trusting to their propaganda team to make sure people buy it.

[@robokid20001]

Also, VR chat manages the legs issue just fine. Even with just the headset, the walking animations and approximation for the leg bending looks totally fine. And for people who want to go further and actually get full body tracking, then you add another layer of immersion. The legless avatars look terrible.

[@PvtAnonymous]

there's a pretty famous quote from a German rapper. It goes something like "I don't train my legs cuz you can't see them in the club". And Meta took that literally.

[@krozareq]

Agreed. VR Chat and VRIK mod look really decent w/o full body tracking. Shows that big corporations are so mired in politics that small startups, and even game modders, are more innovative. It's possible to do full body tracking with the Quest with just an Xbox 360 Kinect, but I haven't seen much use for it unless I had a 360 treadmill.

[@maudley]

@@discordlexia2429 a-fucking-men

[@Puzekat2]

The remark about the probability of aliens coming to us and they all looking like Mark, made me give you like!!

[@ockertwessels649]

Only in the Metaverse: "you'll have no legs and you will be happy"

[@rorysimpson8716]

I have gotten a personal sense of glee watching numerous corporations strand themselves on the rocky, unforgiving beaches of VR. It is fucking bizarre how poorly silicon valley estimates it's own technological sophistication and ability, but I am here for it

[@crimson_oracle]

What is it about VR that makes them think it’s the future? I have a quest 2 and it’s…fun to do rhythm games and play pinball in. Can’t imagine using something like it at work

[@skeletonking2501]

As a Cali watching us burn is good

[@skeletonking2501]

@@crimson_oracle I blame sci-fi.

[@Puschit1]

It is easy to miscalculate in this profession because you always have to predict the future including the influence of your own inventions. And this is different from, say, the car industry, where innovation is slow and the use of cars basically never changes. But information technology progresses so rapidly that it is impossible to get it right.

[@TheGeekRex]

@@Puschit1 Even then, it's obvious from the overwhelming public reactions that they're making awful decisions. Anybody who knows a thing about VR knows nobody wants to use it to attend Zoom meetings and sit in an office. The fact that they've dumped billions into this shows they're massively overconfident in ill-formed ideas.

[@kingcrescent7295]

The fact this is failing is restoring my faith in humanity

[@mryeast7950]

Roblox fornite and microsoft are making the same thing. Its not a win yet.

[@f.s.1429]

Does it restores futher knowing that China keeps with his genocide and everyone funds them?

[@shasmi93]

I don’t want anything to fail. All of this helps humanity be better.… but only after you can prove you know how to do that… Mark proved that he doesn’t know how to responsibly handle social media for massive influence so I’m glad his meta-is failing to !

[@welux1987]

@Alex a KZbin video about it's failure : target audience : facebook dislikers

[@ArjunaPandava]

best commentary bro.. lol.. i subscribed just because of your commentary ahhahaha. keep it coming.. :)

[@jonjackson8811]

Awesome video and your comment about the meetings that could be replaced by a short email is so true.

[@PerseusM]

The worst thing is Zuck doesn't have a friend that will tell him his idea sucks.

[@lambda760]

I think he's surrounded by yes men and people with zero understanding of why nobody wants to do what they can do irl in virtual reality

[@oddadder5530]

He is not human

[@MariOmor1]

zucks*

[@doords]

Not even his wife or kids?

[@snausages43]

What about the guys he smoked meats with?

[@RoxNoAnne]

It's baffling that even 6th gen Tony Hawk games, which came out 15-20 years ago, look a lot better than the Metaverse. The game that Kenny used in his example is 16 years old. I know VR can be hungry for resources, but it's still not an excuse for the models to look like cheap cartoon models made by an indie game developer when the budget is a lot higher than most games. There's this thing called optimization, and I don't think Meta is using it.

[@mukyumukyun]

I'm sure it's only fair to give it a fair comparison like beat saber, an actual vr games, yes vr is power hungry but the minimum requirements to run vr is actually a lot lower, how so? there's a lot of optimization need to be done, like player shouldn't see a stuttering or lagging graphic, and it's to prevent motion sickness and other illness, but even then the graphic shouldn't be this bad considering the amount of budget spend, they could've done some optimization like reducing polygon in environment, only loads the environment that the player sees, like at least they could've done something

[@KyrieFortune]

VR Chat is virtually the same thing as the Metaverse and has better and more varied models

[@caleb_artzs2533]

Gmod is 20 times better virtual world simulator than Metaverse would ever be

[@bendgk123]

l

[@thekingoffailure9967]

Meta is optimizing alright. Not for quality, but for profit. Zucc is an excellent businessman

[@KrisL99]

The office promotional clip is bizzarely nostalgia...

[@DParkerNunya]

The fact that they felt the need to announce LEGS is insane

[@gammaphonic]

Nintendo doesn’t focus on graphics hardware, yet their games always look incredible. This is because they hire really, REALLY good artists. It looks like Facebook forgot to hire any artists at all on this project.

[@MRL8770]

Yup. Also it's incorrect to say that they never cared about cutting-edge graphics. They used to care. Gamecube was their last beefy device tho. In some ways better than PS2, in some other ways worse. Ever since the massive success of Wii Nintendo has switched its priorities and they try to recreate this success. This had kind-of worked with Switch, altough if you ask me, I have no faith that this approach could still work for the next generation, especially given the hype for VR and real-time raytracing - both revolutionary technologies that require beefy hardware.

[@brkbtjunkie]

@@MRL8770 i wish Nintendo didn’t sacrifice so much silicon of the tegra soc to preserve battery life. The nvidia shield uses the same chip but performs so much better.

[@ChipsChallenge95]

They did, they just focus on hiring as many black and trans people as possible regardless of their ability

[@Jack_Dawlia]

@@ChipsChallenge95 wha

[@christianknuchel]

@@ChipsChallenge95 What will you tell us next? That water sprinkler rainbows are making the frogs gay, or that it's poor people's fault that they're poor? It must be treasure trove of wisdom over there.

[@sipjedekat8525]

It's morbidly fascinating to see a giant tech company like Facebook faceplant so completely. Billions of dollars spent and no one in the company dared to tell zuck his idea sucks. It sucks because it's outdated, crappily executed and serves no demand from anyone. No one told Mark that second life has already come and gone and had better graphics. They all just nodded with stupid grins when he pitched his ideas, grimacing in cringey pain behind his back while dusting up their resumes.

[@Savage_D_777]

Metaverse dare totally outdated and could serve only a nice of few people. The thing is that Meta cant get away from the metaverse until it changes its name again lol

[@mk1st]

Second Life was pretty good (mostly because it wasn’t corporate driven) but came and went. That should have been his first clue.

[@Savage_D_777]

@@mk1st 3DTV's also. people didn't even want to wear thin glasses.

[@Willientus]

Never knew about second life while it was in its prime, but there are some hilarious trolling videos on KZbin over second life. Daniel SL, Pepperchini ect.

[@sipjedekat8525]

@@mk1st it was good because there was nothing like it at the time. It filled a niche. Nowadays that niche is completely saturated with more advanced options.

[@Deadrum]

Just wanted to stop and say that this was a concise, yet thoroughly presented, video and I appreciate it. As a bonus meme, I love your personal rendition for the big tech stocks abbreviation lmao 💀

[@ishmailbari673]

is it bad if anything this tempts me to try to solo create a vr platform that beats meta just because it's made with an ounce of knowing what people want?

[@croissantman8809]

the idea of having something on you head , while working in a shop next to a ton of sharp objects like drill bits or machinery with bone crushing torque really does make me feel safe .

[@robertotallarino7467]

😂😂😂😂👍

[@StuninRub]

Welders say what?

[@TheSpendog]

if you were controlling a bot in those machinery type areas from home with a headset would be cool though, making dangerous jobs more of a game.

[@sophiacristina]

Dude, you are going to miss all those cool fluid simulations while you solve rubick's cube?! Wtf?! Who whouldn't like it?!

[@lookupverazhou8599]

No, you will be at home in complete safety directing the movement of a robotic avatar.

[@immxrtalsoul6954]

"Over engineered meetings" is a perfect way to describe the whole meta concept.

[@riotguards]

"How can we make meetings even more obnoxious"verse

[@StreetPreacherr]

Hell, I even think VR goggles are too much of a hassle to even bother with for PORN! And if a new computing device CAN'T STREAMLIND & IMPROVE the PORN experience then it'll never succeed... I mean the iPhone was REVOLUTIONARY, it let people watch conveniently porn ANYWHERE!

[@mr.skeleton5536]

@@StreetPreacherr It's less convenient, but it's entertaining. Making someone attend your meetings in one of these things is going to be as absurd as making someone attend a meeting in Black Ops 2, I make all my employees meet up there because Zoom is too boring. It brings out the worst in them I tell you, business talks turn into them shouting horrible things and teabagging eachother's corpses.

[@TheCaptNoname]

@@mr.skeleton5536 I'd imagine, after one of such meetings the incidents might happen... To the effect of: "Why did you get fired?" "I blew up my colleague with a sticky bomb and teabagged his corpse" "In Call of Duty, right?" "..." "... In Call of Duty, right?"

[@caterpilar]

@@mr.skeleton5536 haha i think in-game meeting can be much more productive, it's fun, relaxing and can do some team-building

[@ailexx3377]

The title reminded me of that one Onion episode, now I'm definitely convinced they're time-travellers

[@mcskipper100]

I wore one of Meta's VR headsets at an exhibition and after 15 minutes, I was dizzy and nauseated similar to what happens when I wear 3 D lens. Is there some kind of fix for that?

[@sorlag110]

It's hilarious how extremely buff and extroverted looking the cgi team made Mark for the presentation, it perfectly encapsulates the cognitive dissonance of the entire project.

[@sideparting6845]

All that money and still an upside-down bowl seems to be the most important tool for his haircut. Absolutely baffling.

[@intsoccersuperstar1]

Mark views himself as a god so it only makes sense that his minions would gladly operate as if they were Xerxes’s slaves carving his likeness into walls and sculptures.

[@JamesChessman]

Actually maybe he really IS buff and extroverted and you’re just jealous about it 😅

[@harrydavey9884]

Hahahaha, so true. He looks like a proper confident guy who hits the gym regularly. Maybe that's the point though. Attracting weak nerds with lots of money?

[@ImmDev]

@@harrydavey9884 Weak nerds with lots of money have actual interesting things to spent time on, instead of playing bland and depressing loser world with little Mark.

[@nikanj]

Zune, Google Plus, Apple Maps, Google Glass, Windows Phone. They were all massive successes compared to the Metaversa. This is what happens when you have one person with unchecked power in a company who's completely lost touch with reality.

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

Even Corporations need proper Seperation of Power!

[@WarrenPostma]

When you are as rich as Zuck, all reality becomes virtual.

[@aluisious]

Apple Maps actually works for navigating in a car. The voice nav and Siri work pretty well. The Metaverse; I don't know what it's supposed to help.

[@DoctorHero]

Wait what’s wrong with Apple Maps?

[@marcusamirite]

@@DoctorHero I think when it first got introduced (replacing Google Maps as standard for the Maps app) it was really buggy and was part of the iOS update that year but was a total dud.

[@Hue_Mungus]

Did not expect beef boss to show up

[@salvador1683]

No Netflix, No Facebook, No Amazon and Microsoft was never in there. What are we left with? GA? like the duck?!

[@ewanherbert3402]

Poor Zucc just wanted to create a virtual world in which his terrifying, shark-like, nothing-behind-the-eyes death stare is the norm...

[@muskyoxes]

The metaverse was pitched as "you can be anything you want to be", so it turns out that Zuckerberg's wildest fantasy is himself

[@TreyVaswal]

Oh thank God I'm not the only one.

[@nogoat]

The irony is, from just these clips, Zuck's avatar is the only one that looks alien. Other avatars are meh but he's the worst.

[@cogtroper]

If everyone is from the uncanny valley, no one is. - Mark the Zucc

[@mobileprofessional]

like a doll's eyes

[@Sturzfaktor2]

Oh wow, I always thought the footage from the Metaverse was just a placeholder for the time when the real Metaverse would launch.

[@playzx1260]

same

[@JordanBeagle]

I had a hard time believe it was real either, looked like a low budget knockup Second Life or something

[@Lucasxd331]

Imagine being a long-term Facebook investor, taking a look at your stock one night and discovering that the company changed its name, sunk itself into an obvious delusion and lost billions 🤡

[@LadyAyleene]

I didn't realize metaverse already exists. I thought the graphics were just some diy stuff, made by someone to give kind of an impression what it could be like but would eventually be way more realistic. I literally found out last week that metaverse is accessible and really looks like thats. And I'm old and from the fb generation, so when they don't even get me interested, who is their target audience anyway?

[@Lucasxd331]

@@LadyAyleene Zuck himself probably

[@Rsreniko]

Zuck even got sunburn from wearing vr headsets for too long

[@masiosareiii4915]

The worst part is that's the first idea for the meta was to drill a hole in the back of the brain of everyone to connect them to the Metaverse, this VR headset was their best and human like solution.

[@quentenburnett7296]

There's been leaked internal emails from Meta where managers say that their workers need to use the Metaverse more, and that they can't fall in love with it if they don't use it. In other words, Meta's own employees don't want to use the Metaverse for the very thing it was designed for, and are being made to because forcing them to will make them like it. Genius. I'm starting to wonder if this is some sort of money laundering scheme.

[@vario6492]

So, those 600 people online in metaverse are likely all reluctant employees? Even funnier...

[@nikitaelizarov7444]

The last game Zuck played was Civilization III, so he thinks that graphics in the Metaverse is mind-blowing. There's a whole department of top-notch 3D art talent that exists only on paper.

[@godzilla1051]

Probably not, looking more like desperate to impress investors.

[@Jkuchenbrod]

The idea is understandable, they clearly need more testers from their main target group? As someone who studies and works in the field of VR/AR and such, I meet really often people who wanted to include these technologies just for the sake of it. I can imagine that someone with a lot of money had the idea "hey it would be cool to make a mii verse for meetings BUT in VR". While I want to believe that they did market research I get the feeling that just the social aspect of being there as a VR avatar is the only thing that really differentiates this from Zoom/Teams. I mean compare the user journey: Zoom: Put on headset, turn on cam (if not automatically) and start zoom/teams, enter meeting ID or similar data, go Metaverse: turn on vr headset (check for battery/put in loading cable), put it on, Connect to metaverse, find room/follow invite, try not to get motion sick, go. That was just seen in the context of meetings. Of course you can do other stuff which will be really average I guess, but at this point, it conveys the feeling to be the son of Zoom and VR chat. And even VR chat has legs though.

[@mikb5587]

@@JkuchenbrodNobody wants VR, by nobody I mean almost everyone.

[@thegiantpotato3068]

I, for one, applaud Facebook / Meta for driving itself into the ground by using all its money to advance VR technology. This way we get both better VR tech faster AND no more Facebook. To me that's a win/win.

[@theluchenator]

A win-win but we get both of the wins :)

[@afterhours4890]

Meta isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. But do whatever is cathartic for yourself

[@txorimorea3869]

They didn't advance or create anything of value, their bureaucracy monster ate all that money.

[@nathasyapramudita6312]

Exactly, I understand what Meta trying to do, and I can clearly see it in my child generation future. (But giving, not just personal data but our daily life and what we do in our job to company that notorious selling it to the highest bidder? Na'ah)

[@Swenthorian]

It's a boon in the short-term, but once they fail it will scare big players off of the VR market for a while.

[@k.alipardhan6957]

did you use the Pro before making this video?

[@rotciv1492]

I remember watching this concept for the first time and thinking "MZ has watched too much Summer Wars".

[@tbk2010]

Their biggest problem is that in their attempt to appeal to normies and investors they made sure their metaverse is as inoffensive and locked-down as possible. Which is the total opposite of the relatively successful VR-Chat where anarchy reigns. Maybe if VR headsets were as comfortable as normal glasses and no more expensive than a really cheap smartphone that would work. But I doubt this will happen within the next decade or so.

[@KaykyG018]

Hmmm time to run this number on a spam program hehehe

[@LeoMkII]

@@KaykyG018 *yes please*

[@tjenadonn6158]

Never underestimate the value of furries in making sure your platform is successful long term. The reason why TF2 is still around while all of its alternatives have died on the vine? BETTER FURRY APPEAL. The reason Disney beat out the Fleischman Brothers back in the day? Furries chose Minnie Mouse over Betty Boop. VRChat over Metaverse? You can't be a protogen in the Metaverse. If you lose the furries you've lost it all.

[@rdrrr]

@@tjenadonn6158 I've heard it said that if you want to hire a competent programmer, forget LinkedIn - recruit using FurAffinity...

[@ultrapwnd]

@@tjenadonn6158 Team Fortress 2 is held up by furries?

[@icicleditor]

Minor correction: Miis as a whole predate the Miiverse, which is basically twitter on Wii U, which did release when you said they did, 2015. Miis were unveilied as the main Avatar on the Wii in 2006, and still see use on the Switch today, even if they're more hidden than they once were.

[@project-gladiator]

With tecnology of 22 years ago, as the Wii was still kind of as powerfull as a Gamecube, that came out in 2001

[@Wilus0]

@Whats🅰pp±⓵⓹⓻⓽⓸⓻⓼⓻⓻⓺⓼ L

[@daneast]

Yes this is what I was also thinking. Miis came from the original Wii, and have their own charm and simplistic appeal. They are iconic (both literally and figuratively) and serve their role perfectly fine as a bobble-head that can be stuck onto 3D models in whatever game they are needed in.

[@lol-ih1tl]

Miiverse launched in 2012, not 2015.

[@tophatcat1173]

@Whats🅰pp±⓵⓹⓻⓽⓸⓻⓼⓻⓻⓺⓼ tf are you trying to sell?

[@gothghost7491]

I'd be curious on how this could be applied to animation, specifically 3d animation and modeling. It would be cool to be able to model in 3d in this kind of enviroment, but that would never see the kind of return zucc is sinkin in to this.

[@handleneeds3charactersormore]

That's true and it already exists. I don't have a vr headset or anything but I know there are programs to do sculpture, 3d modeling, painting etc in VR Not sure but maybe the open source community has done something already too! Also (I think****) you can open non VR programs in VR (not actually sure of this is done with that open source tool that allows you to run non VR games in VR) obviously it's just the window floating in VR space and no actual 3d interactivity like the other softwares where you can actually walk around your sculpture or painting but i guess you could make the window bigger so that you can work at a bigger scale

[@strictlydubai]

100% spot on , there may be industrial use cases which you didn’t cover such as digital Twins etc however I even they don’t justify all the hype in my opinion

[@davidbray5982]

Oh the schadenfreude I feel from watching Zuck fail is just wonderful. He represents the first of these insufferable nerdy american boys who get stupid rich from collecting data like a tech-obsessed goblin. I would *hate* to be forced to do company stuff in the Metaverse. Lord knows, the people where I work struggle as is with zoom calls. Every time at least one person has a shite microphone, patchy internet, or can't figure out how to invite someone.

[@Alias_Anybody]

The Metaverse is basically Mii Plaza (Wii) but somehow worse looking and magnitudes less charming. A random C-Team from Nintendo in the late 2000s and early 2010s could do better than Zuck's best in 2022.

[@TheMADmk]

@@Alias_Anybody PS Home, without the fun mini games, and 1000x less graphics!

[@timeTegus]

Why does everyone think that horison worlds is the metaverse. That's not the case. It's more like metaverse is the internet and horisn worlds is a web page. The metaverse is about mutch more than Facebook.

[@thetaxikab604]

"American" LOL

[@NichtDu]

I agree but to fair your second argument wasnt really valid Joining a videocall on a device exclusivly made for videocalls is probably easier than on a laptop + no one would have a shitty mic if everyone had the same vr headset

[@raven_glass]

An idea like Metaverse already existed in Second Life. People had virtual avatars and bought (with real money) virtual land in an online platform that was nothing more than a glorified chat room. The difference is that it was fun, you could make stuff in the built in 3d engine (anything you could imagine) and people used it to escape reality for a few hours. Meta is none of that.

[@orangehatmusic225]

You guys do realize he stole the idea for Facebook & even VR right? Or are you all still just dumb and ignorant...

[@kwando472]

But, but in metaverse you can link everything and have online office meetings and do shit you actually rather do in real life 🤔

[@iconictuba4126]

I think that the problem with the metaverse was, that the employees didn't even know what the metaverse should look like and what they should create.

[@madmantheepic7278]

From the recent employee interviews, apparently even Zucc doesnt know wtf he wants with meta verse

[@orangehatmusic225]

@@madmantheepic7278 How could he.. it's not even his idea.

[@posmoo9790]

I once had a marketing class long ago & pretty sure step 1 was identify a need potential customers had

[@Cloudef]

"I'm so tired of having a meetings that could just be emails" This so much

[@litvanika]

The problem I have with the Metaverse is that it has no purpose. Like, KZbin is for videos, Reddit is the Internet divided into small parts by different topics, Twitter is a place where companies announce news and people argue, games are supposed to be played, and so on. A successful product needs a clearly defined purpose, while Meta's goal is to build a third life which is very abstract and obscure and is not really needed.

[@wamingo]

I agree it's not clearly defined, but many people prefer their virtual lives to their real lives. Games too, like any entertainment, is an escape. But I think this characterization is incorrect anyway. FB has showed a bunch of scifi-futurism which can just be ignored.. FB's metaverse actually looks more like it wants to be a platform for making games and experiences. A Roblox competitor of sorts. And in the long run I think it'll also become an app store - which could be key. It'll act as the goto meeting place where you discover new products and launch your experiences, especially with friends. FB will bribe some game devs and other artists to launch their stuff there. Now it's competing with Apple's App store, Steam and maybe even Netflix and Spotify. Add in legacy FB integration and you got a serious package. And forget the notion that it'll be a VR only thing. It'll run on your phone, pc, everywhere. No mass adoption without platform agnosticism. The real money is in the metaverse, not hardware. Anyway, maybe the skeptics will be right.. But I've rarely seen so many people use so little imagination while criticising only what they see.

[@maomaomi5434]

If I wanted a very abstract third life I'd just play vrchat while high.

[@MrMarinus18]

But the problem with metaverse is that in the end it comes down to putting roadblocks in place where there weren't roadblocks before. The Metaverse can never be as engaging as real life interactions, it's just not possible. Online has convenience as it's selling point and metaverse is all about taking that away.

[@giffica]

Huh? Videos. What's that...why would anyone watch a screen....whats the point of that? 🤔

[@baselin6514]

@@wamingo A Roblox "Competitor" that spends dozens of billions to be a half assed roblox XD

[@earbleedmaster1457]

Zuckerberg simply wanted to turn the "Metaverse" into something like The Oasis from Ready Player One, that's why he was so hard on it and made the push around when the Oculus Quest 2 released. It's simply just too early to monopolize on something like this and now he's paying for it lmao

[@CookyMonzta]

Exactly. He thought it would be easy to turn a fictional creation (the Oasis) into reality and do it quickly.

[@caleb_artzs2533]

Oasis has already existed long time before even the book was written. Gmod is a good comparison on how little to no creativity Ready Player One Oasis has on actual working game, another note for comparison is VR Chat with the large amount of accessibility that VR Chat and G-mod which these programs doesn't really force/restrict it users to use a specific VR headset unlike Meta.

[@GYTCommnts]

Exactly. And the thing is that he is more like the villain in that movie, than the creators of that VR world.

[@albertsun3393]

The big difference between the "Zuck"verse and Oasis is that Oasis was, well, pretty damn good when it released. Zuck's metaverse has a barely working platform and is trying to entice suckers to devote their time into slaving away for free with no real upside, and everyone with half a brain cell knows that Zuck is gonna lock everything down and build toll roads every 5 meters once the metaverse becomes big and what the hell can developers do about it anyway? Your hard-worked content is already developed on *their* platform.

[@CookyMonzta]

You know something? I'm starting to wonder if Zuck wanted his metaverse to be something more like the Oasis, or more like the _Matrix..._ 🤔 ...Or maybe something in between, like in _Johnny Mnemonic._

[@shazbots]

If the headset could be used for doctors to overlay a previously scanned MRI while looking at a patient, I could see a lot of potential usage in the medical domain...

[@themadmoderator8465]

cracks me up quest pro. my wifes company when they upgrade moniters and stuff gives them staff to keep home so they can have dual set up at home

[@grfrjiglstan]

The hubris of Mark to think he could just storm into VR and revolutionize the industry when he's already a decade behind the rest of the world.

[@Alan-cl2ix]

VR has no future, like people have absolute no interest in it

[@Chuked]

@@Alan-cl2ix cap

[@AndrewScott1337]

Give the technology another 5 to 10 years. People said the same thing about the internet in the early 90s (it’s a gimmick, it’s cumbersome and just for nerds and people looking to watch porn lol).

[@sagan2652]

AR is the future

[@jack.h99]

@@Alan-cl2ix I could see it being big in about 10-15 years maybe. Hardware needs to catch up to software. Not to mention the haptics and control issues.

[@bnato8209]

We got rid of FB last year and will have nothing to do with a metaverse. Our quality of life increased significantly when we decoupled from FB. I recommend everyone do the same and spend time with friends in the real world instead.

[@xslvrxslwt]

last year? FB has been dead for ages, maybe Indians or such still use it idk

[@PierreMiniggio]

I still use Facebook. Facebook Groups around interests is still pretty much alive. And not as spammy as for example discord since most interactions on groups are asynchroneous, which is also easier on the moderation side.

[@xslvrxslwt]

@@PierreMiniggio Discord has forums now but that's not a topic anyway, what I'm trying to say is: Only old people use Facebook today, old people and unimportant masses from 3rd worlds (myself "included")

[@PierreMiniggio]

@@xslvrxslwt I woudn't call people from the 3rd world countries "unimportant", cauz' that's still a lot of people who use Facebook. Facebook definitely is been on a down trend for a while, but it's really far from dying yet 😁 And if you're not aware, actually a lot more KZbin creators have been diversifying to Facebook in the last few years, because among the few other things that improved on Facebook lately, they got a lot better at pushing video content to people and at paying content creators.

[@letsburn00]

FB is now only useful as a totally free version of WordPress. I.e you can run event advertising on it. Apart from events and maybe the chat function, it's useless. Wait, that was wrong. If you want to know what easily disprovable (in like 3 minutes) misinformation that your mum and dad will be pushing next week. You can see it on Facebook first.

[@ForrestJWilson]

Metaverse is hard to define. But I also dont know it when I see it.

[@Jiftoo]

I didn't even know metaverse was out. Thought it's only a concept right now.

[@txikitofandango]

I just love this lore of, you want the characters to have legs? You want shadows? That'll cost the budget of a medium-sized national government

[@mourgos1234]

without legs there can be no sexual crimes, so maybe thats their intention lol

[@RGC_animation]

They should just hire the team that made MiiVerse, maybe then they'll have legs and shadows!

[@condor237]

Characters in 2nd life already have that for free. Facebook is blowing billions to do the same stuff that’s been being done for at least 5 years

[@1murkeybadmayn]

@@mourgos1234 omg 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@aetherton5386]

It's disturbing how persistent Ol' zucky is to try and convince everyone that this is the future, and how "worth it" it is to use it. Still cannot figure out if his real lizard form or his virtual form is more terrifying to look at. Also the zoom in on the basket ball to the face was chef's kiss. Love your content dude.

[@xslvrxslwt]

Actually people are becoming more and more "friendly" n outgoing even though it doesn't look like it because well everyone is in front of their phones; But compared to before - now you're no more a freak when you use your phone 5+ hours a day and no one cares anymore so you're not judged by the community, also people are going out n doing drvgs more and no one anymore cares about some virtual reality shi because we no longer feel judged when we're w people (like most of meta's target userbase does), when mdma hits me not a 407020 verses and metas can compare to it lol

[@Demopans5990]

Second Life came out 10 years ago. If the metaverse is future, then SL would have caught on my now

[@xslvrxslwt]

@@Demopans5990 Exactly, even people who play SL play it for like a week or so and quit; It simply isn't nor will it ever be able to lock in the target audience..

[@guisampaio2008]

Well it is the future indeed though, i just hope is is not on it.

[@GYTCommnts]

Yeah, imagine being forced to watch ads IN YOUR FACE (literally) when you are working and using those headsets.

[@user-nn5tr5ei2c]

As a man who wear glasses, I'm ammoyed if someone forces me to wear another giant VR helmet. That is fucced!

[@8bitHuman]

The Leg thing is not lazyness. its the fact that your brain can better handle no legs, then wrong legs. You just will get motion sick immediately if they put wrong legs under you.

[@ThompterSHunson]

Mark is gonna stay in history as the man who had the goose that laid the golden eggs and shot it in the head. May it rest in feathers.

[@bridgiebean]

😂🎉

[@cheeseburger6924]

He stole the egg not laid!

[@Comando729]

He’s the guy who stole the goose and didn’t know what to do when it stopped laying golden eggs shot it with some “miracle drug” and began the slow and painful process of killing said goose

[@vijayendranvijay457]

And he'd still be a way rich guy while billions of people can't even afford a house or pay bills.

[@ko-Daegu]

I don’t fully agree The duck got old and he had to cook it He just made rat soap with it thiu

[@triton199]

I love Meta trying so hard to ignore that VRchat has done everything they're trying to do, but better and 4 years ago. FBT, Inverse kinematics, hand tracking with knuckles or LEAP motion, lifelike expressive user made avatars etc

[@PhysicsGamer]

I've wondered a few times if Facebook thinks they're doing with VRChat what KZbin did with the porn streaming sites back in the day. Take the technology developed by the fringe communities and repackage it in a more palatable way.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

Heck, it took an indie company saying “fine, we’ll do it ourselves” and basically crowdfunding a VR headset development push up until near-completion to finally get the larger corporations rolling on their own sets. They don’t want to test the limits. They just want to stay well within the safety of their profit margins.

[@dragonslayermasterornstein83]

Why do people keep pointing at vrchat when vrchat literally ruined themselves at this point? Are we ignoring what vrchat did to themselves?

[@Fleetfoot]

why haven`t facebook just bought VRChat instead?

[@Wolfenstin1806]

@@dragonslayermasterornstein83 The community is doing all the heavy lifting. Content creators keep that ship from capsizing, even as its devs violently try to sink them.

[@VANCOUVERHOUSEFINDER]

Bro, we are all sick and tired of virtual meetings

[@shlurpslime1212]

Very random but I had an ad on this video that said why you should get the meta verse, despite the meta verse being lame in the video

[@Dancingonthesun]

I've always been deeply suspicious of metaverse for its focus on work and commerce, the money things. People want vr for leisure and novelty. Nobody wants to be in a virtual world where your boss is the server admin.

[@turbomunch]

Your boss is your life admin

[@jonathaningram8157]

I enjoy being the dragonborn! My real life suck enough.

[@anime.soundtracks]

i want futuristic immersive vr $3X for so long but looking at the limbless avatars in this video i think alien invasion is more likely to happen

[@nikitaelizarov7444]

Metaverse -- the world where Zuck can finally realise his dream of being a real boy.

[@MrWallace484]

Lol 😂

[@benfelps]

literally

[@rmc310]

I still don't know what this is. Is it for work, or for gaming? Does it work on its own or do I need a computer. Does it have a monthly subscription service? Really what the hell is this thing?

[@DrNo64]

The first thing I said when I saw metaverse graphics was, "Bro. You can't pull this look off. You're not Nintendo."

[@agucci]

"Meta is shooting themselves in the legs, which, I guess, explains the floating torsos." That was brilliant!

[@milkingalmonds6816]

it caught me off guard, it really was brilliant

[@banmnx4823]

Couldn't have written it better myself.. too good

[@agucci]

@@banmnx4823 do you write jokes from time to time?

[@gregorsamsa1364]

Y'all need some higher standards for btilliance

[@agucci]

@@gregorsamsa1364 no, my friend, on the contrary, I would like to appreciate every human thought as brilliant! And the closer I get there, the more blissful my life becomes!

[@XabiIglesias]

I fear the idea behind this is to further control remote workers by allowing their bosses to check what they are physically doing.

[@memejunkie7818]

That's why i work balls deep in mud, not in papers and emails. Desk job would be a shortcut to suicide for me

[@XabiIglesias]

@@memejunkie7818 I have a desk job. Can relate.

[@jonathandaniel7321]

Then I will be selling the hacks that make it look like you work

[@Waitwhat469]

Oh man, yeah the amount of bioinfomatics you can collect with these is fucking nightmare problem ripe to be exploited. One that at DefCon was kind of mentioned as "hey this is an issue, any thoughts?" without any of the fun deep dives or malicious attacks yet.

[@vault1021]

@@jonathandaniel7321 Aahh yes, we demand, and heroes like you provide. The beauty of economics 😎

[@Truth_Hurts_Bad]

Thumbnail resembles one of the greatest comps ever: Consume.

[@GavinDavidson]

“You’re going to be a sad, floating torso in the meta verse for a long time to come.” Ha ha! Excellent! No, not for me, I’d rather hike to a waterfall than wear a tv on my head.