Bad Opsec - How Tor Users Got Caught

[@MentalOutlaw]

I now have my own merch available on based.win. %10 discount at checkout when you pay in Monero (XMR)

[@littlestinker97]

Hey @MentalOutlaw don't forget that youtube will flag you comments and report them to the FBI and those fbi agents will show up to your house. Ask me how I know

[@snorttroll4379]

could you sell merch for other creators too?

[@southgonholditdown]

If only they used NordVPN then they wouldn't get caught. - fed

[@everyhandletaken]

lol 😂

[@uiopuiop3472]

@@everyhandletaken ssanta with his s-Leigh

[@everyhandletaken]

@@uiopuiop3472 🧐

[@0xssff]

xDDDDD

[@Somethingfs-sx1ft]

Right

[@egg5474]

I got put on 7 watch-lists just by reading the title

[@ILovePancakes24]

baller.

[@泥棒猫-m8e]

pfft. If you are not already on some lists you are not gonna make it.

[@BurgerKingNationalist]

Better to be on a list than to be a normalgaf.

[@grugiv]

@@泥棒猫-m8e I’m on one of Santa’s lists.

[@rmfsho]

Yeah i'm on a certain list.

[@tenshi.1968]

You can't even dual boot in peace these days.

[@fawzanfawzi9993]

I don't even know you can dual boot on an iPhone (or maybe it's just a dumb word from the article).

[@tenshi.1968]

@@fawzanfawzi9993 lol they're talking about the pc

[@vaprin2019]

@@fawzanfawzi9993 If you have a jailbroken IOS then I believe it's possible to dual boot. I wouldn't recommend it though, it's probably better to just get a cheap non-apple phone and dual boot on there. If the OS breaks then you can just wipe it and install android for free, but good luck getting your IOS back on an iPhone.

[@ihavenoidea2740]

The only time I ever used tor was to see if it actually worked also I have my system dualbooted

[@br9377]

Little Timmy installed Kali Linux now he’s doing 20 years in maximum security. Don’t be like Timmy kids.

[@shitpostingsandwhich]

I love how his advice is "don't confess anything to law enforcement" instead of "don't make bomb threats to a fucking school"

[@michaelmerritt7406]

Well, that's the golden rule regarding law enforcement from anything from jay-walking to treason - don't say a word.

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

well because its true. police arent your friends. all they want is some stupid ass fucking confession whether youre guilty or not

[@michaelmerritt7406]

@@Gigachad-mc5qz Right. If they're bothering to go through the trouble of questioning you, chances are they don't have the information needed to make a case agsinsr you in court, let alone charge you. If they really had a slam dunk case on you, they'd have it with them. Hell, they don't NEED to question you at all if that's case. They could just go, "You're under arrest and charged for so-and-so. Arraignment's tomorrow at x time." At which point you'll be forced to meet with an ADA who will then flex on you, with all evidence in-hand. The police, in most cases, are RELYING on you digging your own grave. They're trained to eek out the smallest of details from you. Hence, it's always the best case to just shut up, let your lawyer talk, and, if you must talk, only say "No", "No", and "No."

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

@@michaelmerritt7406 dont even say no tbh just be silent

[@the1exnay]

Yeah, dude seems more interested in empowering people, and less interested in what they do with that power. Which, fair enough, the world already has plenty of people willing to give their opinion on what you should and shouldn't do. And there are clearly crimes worth doing- not that i would ever do any of them

[@Metruzanca]

"don't brag about your illegal activities". You'd think this was common sense lmao

[@lanaeushall9397]

right

[@NightDoge]

But if you dont brag about your crimes, did you really do them?

[@valghyna7668]

Filming yourself while wondering through the Capitol. Common sense isn't so common

[@gaelxmdb]

@@NightDoge Yes, but you wouldn't have anyone tell you "Omg dude you are crazy". Imagine needing that attention to just admit to a crime :p

[@skflmgjok462]

This is actually how they catch a lot of criminals. They brag about it

[@TheSensationalMr.Science]

so in short: 1) don't admit anything from tor activities (especially when in illegal activities & when talking to police) 2) use bridges when using tor (to hide tor traffic) 3) don't get cocky & show yourself for reasons of fame or fortune 4) & NEVER mix clear or deep or dark -net activities with each other 5) use a password manager for tor activities & then another for clear-net activities 6) create a kill-switch Encryption device that works wirelessly (to defeat a Ross Ulbrich scenario) 7) drop accounts that are linked & after email-bombing them delete them to obfuscate your traffic. & that's how you are at least somewhat safe on tor (plus using a physically different device for tor network activities will probably be your best bet) Hope you have a great day & Safe Travels!

[@Oeoaea]

+ Don't do illegal shit. It's really that easy

[@yukisuzuki629]

@@Oeoaea Sometimes it's just not possible. Especially if laws keep changing every bloody week

[@alephanull1953]

Or just start living in a cave

[@zoloftdependant5246]

@@Oeoaea everybody, literally everybody has committed some violation of the law, definitely more than once, because there are so fucking many of them. and just because it's "illegal" doesn't mean it's worth throwing someone in a cell for life over it. why is the federal government allowed to get away with ruining people's lives, destabilizing nations, torture, mass surveillance, gun control, and selling out to predatory corporations? because of people like you. and unfortunately, people like you are all too common.

[@madv6505]

You could use the TAILS os

[@alexthelion335]

"Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

[@RemotelyHuman]

Very insightful. Extraordinarily insightful even.

[@alexthelion335]

@@RemotelyHuman yes

[@junkaccount2535]

If you want revenge, remember to dig two graves.

[@Adamlol642]

Shit my friend wasn’t joking about killing me tommorow

[@alexthelion335]

@@RemotelyHuman I love how you edited your comment since I replied. Originally he said something along the lines of "This definitely adds something to the conversation"

[@slay3rgamingyt]

Hello FBI agent. I am watching this for educational purpose only. Just letting you know :)

[@markusTegelane]

same

[@waaberiibrahim200]

same

[@ArtixBTW]

Same

[@youraveragemarketsocialist4930]

same

[@spencerreppe7558]

It's actually the NSA...

[@junkaccount2535]

"The defendant's iPhone was jailbroken, your honor." *GASPS* *Presents evidence from a rooted android tablet*

[@phagesuffersatgaming.3797]

Can you explain

[@jackfitzgerald2557]

@@phagesuffersatgaming.3797 yikes

[@jackfitzgerald2557]

Lol watching in my rooted S10, am I ine danger 🤣😱

[@phagesuffersatgaming.3797]

@@jackfitzgerald2557 wut

[@voidyt9939]

On my jb’d iPad 7, 14.4.1, am I illegal

[@Pariatech]

Pretty easy just do as King Terry says: "The [REDACTED] glow in the dark, you can see em' if you're driving, you just run them over. That's what you do"

[@Kyle-un3ei]

The "That's what you do" line at the end always gets me

[@ianmoore5502]

I do not get this reference pls link

[@gutoguto0873]

@@ianmoore5502 search up Terry Davis.

[@bertsimpsan]

B-b-based

[@kinvert]

@@gutoguto0873 I think it's better to not tell people and have them find it themselves.

[@PixelPhobiac]

I just wanted to state clearly that I am just watching this for my personal entertainment and none of the stories portrayed here apply to my personal situation in any way

[@jhvnhjifgvbv8126]

Same lol @myfbiagent thanks

[@johnprice3593]

Same here, no intention to get my ass gaped lmao

[@valghyna7668]

😄😄

[@sasino]

Same

[@helix33933]

I agree and share this statement.

[@stejer211]

That last guy got his two life sentences because the government really hates competition.

[@therealb888]

Lol priceless

[@nostudion1037]

Hahaha

[@KeyAuth]

not true. he was given a plea deal offer for 10 years and thought he was so much smarter than everyone else and took it to trial...

[@KeyAuth]

that's why it's always so ironic when people like his mom act like he was treated unfairly compared to the dealers on the site. he was given a better opportunity than most though he didn't take it.

[@CaptainApathetic]

@@KeyAuth yea the only time you should take a plea deal is if you're facing decades and it's clear you did it If you have plasable deniability that's when you take it to trial.

[@professorsniff]

man straight up teaching us how to not get caught committing crimes

[@addammadd]

Yeah and legit the best advice is: don’t fucking confess to anything.

[@chillappreciator885]

This is what you understood)

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

i use tor for privacy not to commit crimes. i hate people spying on me and i sleep well knowing they cant. even if the police raid me they aint got no fucking evidence and im not talking

[@chillappreciator885]

@@Gigachad-mc5qz ok dude, chill

[@rhysbaker2595]

@@chillappreciator885 *appreciates chill*

[@joshuat6124]

So the take-home message here is not to try and play the hero in the public library. Got it.

[@SrIgort]

No, the take-home message is: always lock your PC before leaving it

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

@@SrIgort Meta+l

[@RobinLundqvist]

Have your laptop superglued to your waist

[@da_copreee9929]

And shut up

[@Lampe2020]

Well, I always lock my computer when I go away from it, even if it's just for a few seconds to open the door for someone to get into the school building. And I don't even do illegal stuff.

[@boringmanager9559]

*other youtubers* : hey, kid, you shouldn't lie, because everything hidden is going to become clear one day. *mental outlaw* : don't brag about your illegal activities

[@HypnosisBear]

I was kinda surprised when he said that. Mental Outlaw is on an another level LoL.😂

[@Zephyr-tg9hu]

@@HypnosisBear To be fair, as someone who literally has "Outlaw" in his name, would you expect any less? Haha

[@kvolikkorozkov]

he assumes you know you shouldn't, he's only telling you to not be stupid IF you do

[@chromacat248]

"don't confess to anything" or maybe don't make bomb threats to get out of an exam

[@geeteredgary7261]

Lol just leave a random lunchbox with wiring hanging out of it sitting in the open

[@TheUnforgiven59]

@@geeteredgary7261 And start speaking and singing in a weird language.

[@aeghohloechu5022]

well if they were smart enough to opsec they probably would have managed to pass the exam anyway

[@beardalaxy]

@@aeghohloechu5022 lmao true

[@michaelmerritt7406]

That's true. But IF you are going to do that, then you should absolutely shut the fuck up about it. Assuming you've been a good boy and haven't dropped a thousand clues on your devices that you did it, then all the Feds got is that "it MIGHT have been you" or "they THINK it was you." But a jury isn't going to convict, or the DA may not even pursue charges, if they only have that you went onto TOR at some point. They're not dragging your ass into questioning just to flex on you - they NEED you to say stupid shit and essentially confess. If you lawyer up and keep your dumb mouth shut, then you're as good as free.

[@Chiberia]

The StackOverflow bio for Ross Ulbricht being the default "Apparently, this user prefers to keep an air of mystery about them" is just - _chefs kiss_

[@12q8]

The lengths these feds would go to though.

[@JoeyVSupreme]

I agree, although someone had to MAJORLY mess up fir them to even catch a break. How ironic

[@zacksima8333]

@@JoeyVSupreme thing is you just have to mess up once the feds can mess up everyday

[@gizmodobaggins7040]

They didn't really go to any lengths, they just lie and all the people admit it.

[@nostudion1037]

It's spying on citizens, 147th edition

[@Mayhzon]

Bulk Data Collection. It means they literally have a full copy of the internet at home. Yes, really.

[@TIOLIOfficial]

As far as the Ross Ulbricht library situation, it wasn't that he was "trying to be a hero and walk over to someone". Here's what actually happened: two officers created a fight. When Ross was sitting in the library with his laptop, the agents knew they could not just rush him, cause he most likely would have just hit the kill switch. So what happened was that the 2 agents started a fake fight and when at one point when of them raised their voice, Ross turned around to look. Unfortunately, that split second of our natural reaction was all it took for a third one to grab the computer, while the others grabbed Ross himself.

[@onpoint2292]

My question is why TF would you run an illegal operation in a public library? Since it is public property, he basically removed the need for the FBI to apply for search warrants and such. Was it just for the thrill of it all? To know that you're doing some super sneaky stuff while the general public has no idea? Kind of similar to voyeurism, but non-sexual?

[@TIOLIOfficial]

@@onpoint2292 I don't know where TF you're getting these ideas from. It has nothing to do with it. If you're gonna do an illegal operation and run a proxy, you do it somewhere in a public place where there are other people around so you can hide your trail better. You don't do it out of your kitchen or your parents basement.

[@onpoint2292]

@@TIOLIOfficial I understand how IP addresses work, bud. Most people do their illegal activity on Torr on public WiFi to avoid their Internet service provider from linking their Internet subscription to their IP address. If he did his dark web activities on his home Internet service, Spectrum, AT&T, or whoever provides it could look at the list of routers they gave to their subscribers and have the Tor users' activity. Using a public library makes perfect sense for a small-time criminal. However, the man ran a multi-million dollar Operation. He never thought of a way to switch up the libraries he visited at random intervals, or used a wifi-hotspot from a burner phone, or pay his employees to look into Internet sources other than mainline ISPs?

[@bjornotto98]

Just use vpn from your home..

[@Iamnotabot12125]

@@bjornotto98do you think a vpn would have saved him 😂😂😂😂😂

Ah Lulzsec, that's a name I haven't heard in a while. Back when the PSN 2011 attacks occurred

[@QuickishFM]

That was 10 years ago? Man, time flies. Now I feel old

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

Yes i remember the Sabu saga like it was yesterday

[@Sarah_Kinz]

@@QuickishFM I remember getting free games from that time lol

[@HighAdmiral]

So, for the first two cases, what you're saying is that the only reason they got busted was that they confessed... Never admit anything to the police. You gain literally nothing. If you're going to confess, might as well wait for a plea deal from a prosecutor so that you get *something* out of it. Don't talk to the police without a lawyer.

[@sonyan1191]

Hate to break it to you, but unless your pockets are overflowing with money or you know people in high places, you more than likely won't get a good enough lawyer to arrange a plea deal for you.

[@MrCaptainTea]

@@sonyan1191 Incorrect.

[@lemax6865]

@@sonyan1191 Even the lowest public defender knows the basics on how to arrange for a plea deal, in fact they love doing that because it's much less work than going to trial over a lost cause. If the cops have little to no evidence, they might even get you free. NEVER talk to the police without having spoken to your legal counsel first, and make sure they're in the room with you when the cops ask their questions.

[@Smeerrrccc]

@@sonyan1191Fed

[@onpoint2292]

​@@sonyan1191A majority of criminal cases involve plea deals because it takes less time than not budging and having to fight against a tougher defense. Plea deals became a thing to free up resources in the legal system; not for the benefit of the accused.

[@ILovePancakes24]

If he was so smart to get into Harvard, why did he get caught LOL. Notes: All it takes to get caught is to do one fuckup.

[@swarthybullxxx]

Harvard will take in any retard at this point.

[@SchemingGoldberg]

@air pods Naw, the real criminals have connections and use bribery, so they don't need luck.

[@dogewow8999]

If more people there used TOR regularly on the network it wouldn't have happened.

[@randomcultist398]

@@SchemingGoldberg FBI works for the real criminals (ouch the edge) mfw unironically replying to an anime pfp

[@SchemingGoldberg]

@@randomcultist398 I mean, you're not wrong. But even ignoring the politicians, there is also the mafia and similar.

[@insidetrip101]

People always talk about the technical things that Kim should have done to stay anonymous over tor, but the truth is that he just shouldn't have talked to the police. You do have rights in this country, at least for the moment.

[@thatguyalex2835]

All I have to say, I went to this video, just because the Chinese man is kinda handsome. Nothing more, nothing less. :) More importantly, people should never do/joke about intentional stuff that may harm our society or others. Don't make humor about bad chemical reaction devices, simple as that.

[@_undertow_1401]

Even if you're arrested for something, that doesn't mean you're going to prison. You should always exercise your 5th amendment rights in the US, and speak with a lawyer, even if you've done no wrong doing they will still use anything you do say to the police against you in court if they can. Lack of compliance is not an admission of guilt.

[@ФеофанЭтополедолжнобытьзаполне]

To be fair, in every country they can hold you for a very long time, and there is absolutely no restrictions on how many hours per day they might spend pressuring you. There is a channel, forgot its name, there are a lot of interrogation videos. Some of them are 8 hours straight, several shifts of detectives working with you two or three days in a row. It's fucking hard to withstand that. And there is a whole collection of tricks to prevent you from having a lawyer present (not to mention that not everybody can afford one and state appointed ones often play along with police, like, cmon, man, this is a good deal, show them that small part and they will drop everything else, otherwise we will never beat this one in court, etc.). And sometimes it's just a matter of how good you are at taking a beating. Nah, not talking to police is a good advice but it's not that simple to implement.

[@mattd6085]

Does the US system have special warnings and significant silences?

[@tuckerbugeater]

@@mattd6085 90 percent of the time they overcharge and force the defendants to take a plea deal.

[@TheFeintOfHearts]

@WinstonSmith-1984You should research “Three felonies a day”

[@kindadumbkindastrong4429]

@Gray Fox okay boomer

[@whitewolf262]

The bomb threat story reminds me of when I was back in high school. Two kids used their real cellphone to call in 6 bomb threats IN A ROW. It was a week's worth of bomb threats. They ended up getting prison time for it.

[@fflecker]

In my schooltime guys did it from a public phone and were caught at once.

[@LinKueiDragon]

I've never done it, but I use TextNow so I can change my phone number at any time easily. Might not work though, but it's not like anyone has ever tried.

[@Miks-ck1kv]

How?😊​@@fflecker

[@Kyle-un3ei]

Well, I just got put on a list for watching this.

[@coolbro_9520]

hello glowies, I am watching this to further my knowledge on how NOT to get caught when partaking in illegal activities on the 'dark web'. I plan to purchase illicit substances through hidden services. Thank you for reading - CoolBro_

[@ologhai8559]

@@coolbro_9520 haaaa...they will think you're using sarcasm, but you're just honest

[@UKsystems]

There are lists of them but I don’t know the legality of checking but it isn’t hard

[@thorgersbach698]

That's it, I'm changing my job to bomb threat call centre specialist. The market is huge, but seasonal!

[@zipf]

Lmao 😂

[@NeverDoubtMe23]

My FBI agent is actually pretty cool, he sent me a Christmas gift this year! Since he spies on my email, phone calls, text messages and web browsing, he knew exactly what to get me!

[@XOFInfantryman]

Awesome 😮

[@erikedlund8711]

You got the details of Ross' arrest wrong; the FBI did indeed have to agents pretend to have a domestic fight, which caught Ross attention. When he was distracted, an agent ran up and swiped his unlocked computer and he was apprehended directly after that. I haven't heard any version retelling his arrest where he actively intervened in the staged altercation. There were plenty of "normal" people in the internet café as well, many who objected to Ross' arrest despite having no idea what he was being arrested for.

[@profpuffofficial2]

Library not Cafe

[@erikedlund8711]

@@profpuffofficial2 Yes, you're right, it was the San Francisco Public Library. I misremembered.

[@erikedlund8711]

@SMA Productions No, I'm not aware of that existing. I've only heard and read about it.

[@AverageAlien]

they were right to object, he got arrested for NO reason

[@erikedlund8711]

@@AverageAlien The people watching the arrest had no idea who he was or what he was suspected of doing. He could have been a bank robber or a serial killer for all they knew, they primarily protested because they hadn't seen him do anything wrong, which I find interesting. As for "Ross did nothing wrong"; let's ignore the illegal substance angle and focus on the fact that Ross tried to have multiple people killed and that only his incompetence and naivety that ensured that no one died. He should be in prison for this if not for anything else. Maybe the punishment is a bit hard, but conspiracy to commit murder should have serious consequences.

[@gayusschwulius8490]

Imagine living in a country with such a meme jurisdiction that you can get life without parole for nonviolent offenses, lmao

[@Steven-P99]

I think they have evidence he ordered hits on people, though they didn't happen.

[@gayusschwulius8490]

@@Steven-P99 yes, and that's why I don't pity him, but that's not what he was convicted for.

[@dogguy8603]

@@gayusschwulius8490 he was never charged or convicted

[@h.n.r_funi3324]

They had to teach everyone else a lesson, if they gave him a light sentence more ppl would try to do the same thing, and that's so much money unregulated and untaxable which is the actual big nightmare for the government

[@dogguy8603]

@@h.n.r_funi3324 yet they have, if Indonesia and Singapore execute drug smugglers, and even they still have drugs flood the country, then people are gonna risk prison for hundreds of millions of dollars to run a website

[@kidkangaroo5213]

The picture at 14:10... i have never seen something so *beautifully surreal*

[@g00zik97]

feels like a photo from a movie set

[@bradenculver7457]

I find it so stupid he was convicted to two life sentences for this. But oh, the conspiracy to commit murder he also did wasn’t even charged? I guess prosecutors thought they could get enough from the drug charges, which is absolutely stupid. Why is this a crime worthy of a life sentence? He should be behind bars for trying to hire hitmen, and doing so terribly.

[@karakara9653]

You actually do need a jailbreak or dualboot to properly access TOR on iOS, because of how network APIs are exposed to apps

[@buyerenogurlfwendo2106]

I would say that would make it recommended but not necessarily needed to download an app and just hop on.

[@Wildhare-uo5vj]

I miss the good old days when you didn't find out about a bomb threat at your school until you read about it in the paper 3 weeks later.

[@backwoodsjunkie08]

Lol or the principle would make an announcement over the intercom! Had it happen a few times...those were the good ol' days... Now some Nigerian gets paid to call a school in Pennsylvania lol! What a world we live in

[@SirTodd]

I actually learned of the silk road via that shroomery post, but to be fair, during that time it wasn't very uncommon for similar types of "businesses" that would flyby night. Originally, the post was reminiscent of more common posts asking if x service was "safe." It turned out to be his blatant advertising tactics that made his site so famous and thereby also destroyed it.

[@RedStoneMatt]

people: don't do illegal activities this guy: do not brag about them, do not leave evidence behind and of course, do not confess

[@valkiron11]

real life Saul Goodman

[@thisguyagain7857]

It's the American scheme. Some misuse the word dream.

[@4.0.4]

I feel bad for the last guy, he seems otherwise very smart, but come on. _He shilled his illegal website to a border patrol agent._

[@zer0day463]

Life sentence for drug trafficking is kinda too harsh. So yeah I too feel bad for him

[@Mayhzon]

When you really wanna move product, but your marketing campaign reaches the wrong target audience... critically...

[@ro0b0]

​@@zer0day463he tried to order hits on multiple people

[@alexthelion335]

There's one tried-and-true way to avoid getting caught doing illegal activities, don't do illegal activities.

[@eltacobanido6307]

Even that can fail

[@drishalballaney]

as long as you dont do illegal stuff like drugs or threats, no issues

[@michaelpoliakov6040]

Big think

[@MrDaylight]

It's basically illegal to have an opinion or travel right now.

[@alexthelion335]

@@MrDaylight yeah

[@uzefulvideos3440]

14:12 In most other developed countries you need to be a serial killer or something like that to get jailed for live without any possibility for parole.

[@hasanmousa4235]

The government wants a piece of that pie.

[@baileyharrison1030]

If you’re keeping serial killers alive you are not a ‘developed’ country imo

[@uzefulvideos3440]

@@baileyharrison1030 It has benefits to never give death sentences, even in extreme cases where the criminal would have clearly deserved it. It makes it less likely for criminals to resist arrest and more likely to be compliant during the process. And in the sadly not so rare case of serious misjudgment, especially relevant in the US, you still have the chance to reprocess a case anytime and revert the court decision.

[@LemonRush7777]

In my country even a mass serial rapist / killer can't get that.

[@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge]

Murder: Ey man don't beat yourself up about it, I'm sure that woman just fell on that knife all on her own, 10 years in jail Sell drugs: Life sentence, no ifs, ands or buts, actually you are such a vile human I'm going to give you TWO life sentences!

[@RsRj-qd2cg]

I expected to see a bunch of stuff about flaws in Tor and Tor developers selling out to the Feds, but instead it was just a bunch of basic mistakes. The authorities probably could've convicted the first kid without even proving he was on Tor. The bragging and circumstantial evidence could've gotten him in juvie.

[@rutgers182]

actionable notes for journalists 1. use a tor bridge 2. use a separate machine for tor activities 3. keep your tor world activities different from your personal world life. never mention anything about the other world when youre in a world. 4. use a pedal device that connects to the computer and needs to be held down for the computer to be unlocked 5. never tell anyone about your tor world 6. use a password manager

[@snorttroll4379]

stick the pedal device in your shoe or something. and how could one make one?got some ideas?

[@wickedwolf8438]

this 15 minutes and 12 seconds in 1 sentence: "Nobody can trace you while using TOR, until you use it in stupid way" :)

[@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360]

Theoretically, Tor may contain bugs. So you are not 100% safe with it. Maybe 99% safe if you don't make mistakes.

[@Nemesis653]

I remember in school I was in a scriptkiddie hacking group and we did fun things like DDoSing certain sites, shutting down all the school computers, and putting stuff on everyones screens until they started bragging about it so I quickly dissociated with the group and what do you know the police were called and they got in trouble. Dont brag. Its vain and just makes you look dumb because you ARE dumb for doing it. Never trust people to not snitch.

[@BitwiseMobile]

The are old hackers, and there are cocky hackers, but there are no old and cocky hackers. :)

[@RyanBoo-k8s]

I ended up watching all of this, you really know the details in these these stories and do very excellent explaining/describing the events/situations of the story. Thank you!

[@Littlefighter1911]

14:15 I love how this one dude is able to genuinely smile.

[@hanelyp1]

A few thoughts about sites like Silk Road: -buy something that requires physical delivery to you, the seller knows who you are near enough. Depending on shipping method, they may be identifiable if the cops seize the package. - Pay with crypto and the seller takes your coin and runs, no obvious recourse. Yes they risk burning the alias used and any reputation developed, but still a tempting scam. - The same anonymity that protects uses on such a system can also make under cover narcs hard to spot. And some transactions necessarily identify the buyer.

[@Penderdrill]

that's why escrow services exist...

[@scarydorito]

Tell me you've never onion ebayed without telling me you've never onion ebayed lmao

[@snorttroll4379]

what doe onion ebay mean?@@scarydorito

[@Sandesh98147]

Ross ulbritch's case was the most sensational for me. I actually followed it thoroughly when it was ongoing. I had heard of the site when I was just starting to snoop around deep web out of curiosity and it was eye opening to see even people who are well sophisticated with the tech can make silly mistakes like those

[@alexdenton6586]

The first child I'm sure they bluffed and it was his confession that did it all. Impossible to prove that it was him otherwise

[@filiperodrigues97]

There's a chaotic energy emanating from this channel, I came for the anime watching session over terminal, and suddenly I'm learning how to safely reopen another iteration of silkroad.... Maybe I should stop binge watching anime. I'm afraid next time I look out for some recommendations I might learn how to overthrow government 😬 EDIT: I'm afraid I just learned how to overthrow government with the Red Star OS Linux video, my God what have I become?

[@lxLanarchyxl]

lmao

[@hocky-ham324-zg8zc]

I think that last picture might be a bit misleading. From what I remember, he got the life sentence because they said he tried to hire a hit on that one guy or something.

[@jhvnhjifgvbv8126]

I saw another comment say the hit got dropped from the official sentence since it was shown none of the people involved in the hit situation were real and DPR was just getting scammed

[@hocky-ham324-zg8zc]

@@jhvnhjifgvbv8126 oh ok I didn’t know that. obviously assuming that’s true, he wasn’t convicted of it, but the fact that he believed that the people he was dealing with were real and tried to hire a hit on one of them makes me pretty conflicted about him

[@jhvnhjifgvbv8126]

@@hocky-ham324-zg8zc yeah, imo he's still a man willing to murder in the name of profit. Those people were totally real in his head.

[@codegeek98]

Conspiracy to commit a felony holds even when you actually could not have accomplished it anyway

[@tpw13]

Can you imagine how anxious and stressed you'd get from running one of these marketplaces

[@Bakappp]

Exactly

[@Bakappp]

That’s why u get in and get out and not exit scam. And never go back there ever again

[@thethe2645]

i am literally on at minimum 16 watchlists just from clicking on this video

[@mrmiyagi5]

Punishment was a bit outrageous for this guy

[@Nah_Bohdi]

Super spcific comment, very understood.

[@MrCaptainTea]

Yeah that one guy for sure

[@mrmiyagi5]

@@MrCaptainTea free Kevin

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

​@mrmiyagi5 He turned down a plea deal and took it to court.

[@leogama3422]

"Don't brag about your criminal activities using your personal account on the Internet." Great advice! Thanks

[@Lauren_C]

Light inner monologue: “Just one oversight, a single piece of evidence is all it would take…”

[@danejurus69]

I made a bomb threat to a gas station when I was 13. I used the pay phone outside and I could see the cashier picking up the phone. After I hung up, I walked immediately into the store and heard the employees discussing what they just heard and if they should take it serious. I got arrested 3 days later but only because I fucked up just like that kid did- I told other kids about it and of course someone has to be a hater and snitch. Lol.

[@AverageAlien]

relatable

[@llllIllIIl]

from payphones to textnow, what an expansion.

[@branchcovidian2001]

Pay phone when you were 13? You must be 46 now.

[@branchcovidian2001]

@@fymmca4395 No, Fewer than 6% from the mid-1980s still remain.

[@ФеофанЭтополедолжнобытьзаполне]

Why you do this to gas station tho? Did they forbid you to use a restroom?

[@nathansanchez1975]

I now have watched this same video 3 times over a couple of months without even realizing it until the end of the video.

[@kagai4101]

This video was so informative! I'll be very careful running my deep web drug marketplace

[@gawizard4980]

Time to narc 😎

[@sabbath8989]

8:25 Thanks for explicitly saying kids how to do it and what their mistakes could be, just in case they wouldn't be able to figure it out from the before mentioned examples.

[@domestosteron]

Reminder that TOR was developed by the US military, the most likely have a backdoor just in case.

[@smorrow]

Make your own implementation

[@ElJosher]

Ulbritch be looking like a disney prince in that prison picture lol

[@davel9514]

I don't know what the other guys are in for, but that was actually a pretty wholesome picture IMO

[@Universal-qt9gs]

The classic “never mix business and pleasure” :^)

[@MolassesLover]

I feel so guilty watching these, it feels like I'm being put on a watch-list. This stuff is so interesting, though!

[@igorthelight]

" it feels like I'm being put on a watch-list" - depends on your country ;-)

[@igorthelight]

@Joshua Kloud Watchlists inclusions are very vague - you can't be sure that you are not in one of them. But most countries will not chase all teens that googled "how to kill a president". Because it will be just too much work for nothing. You have to be VERY suspicious to catch their attention in most cases.

[@Mayhzon]

You shouldn't worry. I know people who've been shitposting pretty bile anti-glow stuff for years on the occasion and nothing has happened. If there is nothing to gain from you, then you'll be left in peace pretty much. Being useless and low-value does have advantages.

[@datachu]

Dang I feel bad for the silk road guy, 2 life sentences for running a drug website, and not even trafficking himself and didn't commit any physical crimes. And you wonder why people are against the war on drugs. Was his own fault for getting caught though, that was quite the series of grave privacy mistakes.

[@Darkxellmc]

He also hired hitmans on multiple occasions towards the end of his endeavors...

[@Nah_Bohdi]

@@serene2620 Unlike cars, guns, pools, powertools...alcohol, cigarettes, Rx..... ....Vaccines.....

[@jamess.8279]

@@serene2620 lmao oh no! He sold something that people wanted to buy! Guess we should stop selling alcohol, guns, cars, plane tickets, and so on, since wow people have bought those things and died from them.

[@DigitalApex]

@@serene2620 Yeah, he totally forced those people to buy those things and use them even. Why, now I see why he's serving 2 life sentences for nonviolent crimes. Much logic. Such brain.

[@lolwtnick4362]

@@Darkxellmc totally did that. it was totally fake bruh.

[@holidayfish]

your first story reminds me of one i saw (defcom'16 iirc) of some student who used an internet cafe (just minutes away from campus) to make a bomb threat, they caught him because he was the only one on the cafe network to use tor and they traced the email back to the tor network - hence they checked local networks for tor useage (im sorry if my ignorance and poor memory has bastardised this story, i just found it interesting how they caught him

[@MSDOSProject]

The first kid needed to get a better lawyer

[@slavko5666]

Can you make a video about GPU passtrough, using GPU and iGPU. I've read about it on the Arch wiki and the Gentoo wiki, and plan on having a 99% libre Gentoo install with a Windows 7/10 VM.

[@supahx1421]

Stop playing video games

[@Donatellangelo]

@@supahx1421 no :)

[@ladyViviaen]

become a gentoo gaemer

[@____-gy5mq]

Didn't he do it already? If he didn't , then Chris titus did.

[@doug9261]

As someone who works for IT at a college, anything you do over a school network/account can be monitored, be smarter

[@shrimp562]

Even over a vpn?

[@chode-i-dis4119]

​@@shrimp562 Yes.

[@spol]

Wow really helpful. You’re really making society a great place. 😊

[@kertobatr2814]

for everyone saying mental outlaw is irresponsible for not explicitly telling his audience to not partake in illegal activities: grow up. not everyone is out to prove themselves that they are good. you’re all just too desensitized with politicians and influencers having their way with words to lure you to do what they want: vote for someone, buy something, follow someone, etc.

[@nemodot]

I try to be stoic most of the time and actively work to avoid my mind betraying me with dark thoughts, but I've haven't been able to feel any less upset for what happened to Ross Ulbricht.

[@_wayward_494]

Bruh

[@antimitsu]

touch grass bro

[@Absurdi5t]

Bruh attempted murder...

[@nemodot]

@@Absurdi5t and that is what he is convicted for?

[@ro0b0]

​@@nemodotNo. He still deserves to be in prison though lol

[@DJxD]

Tor was funded by 3 letter agencies. That should be enough right there to stop you from making bad opsec choices.

[@gamerman7276]

Ross Ulbricht: *Creates an economic simulation to give people a firsthand experience of what it would be like to live in a world without the systematic use of force* Also Ross Ulbricht: *Hires hitmen anyway*

[@thirdeyevision11]

Man, youtube has deleted every one of my comments on this video. Dark times. Free Ross Dot Org.

[@final_animal]

There's no evidence that he hired hitmen, that was am allegation made by the agents handling his case and the judge ruled it inadmissible at the time. The agents were them arrested for stealing from Ulbricht and the two of them are in prison to this day. Maybe he really did hire hitmen, but we certainly can't rely on the evidence of two corrupt liars convicted of robbing the same man they're accusing either way.

[@raymond_luxury_yacht]

That's not systematic though tbf.

[@beck3k]

Mentioning that the phone is jailbroken is just to slander freedom

[@Joural0401]

Ive always said of ross was going to have a button that bricks the computer, it should be left click. He doesn't have to brick it himself- the police will do it for him. Combine closing the laptop without a specific set of inputs bricking the computer and a couple other ways of bricking, and noone will ever get info off that pc except you

[@CommanderRiker0]

I think the more traditional way is a dead man trigger set up that fires unless you intervene. Lots of ways to set that

[@jjcoola998]

When my brother was in high school there was a bomb threat which shut down finals week for a day. The police quickly realized the kid who was hosting a barrel at his house that day was in fact the culprit lol

[@user-rg1jp2us4o]

Bruh If I wasn't on a watchlist before I definitely am now.

[@lucafruehauf5447]

I appreciate that you pronounced "Guerilla Mail" as "Gorilla Mail". That subtle meme reference made my day.

[@JivanPal]

That's... that's how it's pronounced.

[@Architector_4]

Could you please educate me on this meme? Sounds interesting lol

[@Jupiter__001_]

@@Architector_4 Might be referring to the Navy Seals copypasta: "I am trained in gorilla warfare" is one of the lines.

[@JivanPal]

@Bala, yes?

[@ZaneEddy]

In case you want a quick breakdown, they don't. They don't ever get caught unless they are running their own site and making millions. There you go

[@Shack263]

Thank you, mental outlaw. Now I can be secure while I manage my drug and weapons empire.

[@zerotian5661]

💥

[@you_just]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ross Ulbricht try to order a hit on someone who he thought had scammed him? Obviously lots of people are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses, but Ulbricht is not one of them.

[@ФеофанЭтополедолжнобытьзаполне]

He did it at least twice. He ordered one hit of his moderator to a undercover fed in posession of said employe (under arrest), and another one - of some shop owner at SR, who kinda scammed him. The thing is, he most likely made this second order to the same actual person, who scammed him (scammer catfished him with series of accounts). "Killer" even sent him staged photo of himself being "done" and required digits on a piece of paper as a proof. And this story checks out as far as court is concerned. Such a drug lord.

[@hordechess7629]

@@ФеофанЭтополедолжнобытьзаполнеHow can he order hits if the buyers are "weakly anonymous" ??

[@wompastompa3692]

"Correlation attacks are a bitch." -Adrian Crenshaw

[@sickcyber]

Yep

[@alemswazzu]

There is a 3 part podcast on the entire history of the Silk Road, the investigation, and how it was caught. It was very fascinating.

[@walterhanger2600]

What’s the name

[@bej6190]

Do you know the name of this podcast?

[@peter9477]

​@@bej6190 It looks a lot like googling "silk road podcast" would quickly find your answer...

[@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042]

Barely Sociable - KZbin channel - deep dive into the Silk Road

[@Joooooooooooosh]

Having this video in my watch history is going to come back to haunt me someday.

[@Dasgath]

Thanks for all the tips to become an efficient criminal on the internet!

[@theFLCLguy]

Tor has never been completely anonymous. Just legally it's hard to use as evidence because they can't know 100% it's you so they have to find evidence that links you to your behavior outside Tor.

[@LinusP]

I think you're referring to VPN, since (used properly) Tor actually is competly anonymous.

[@kacperkonieczny7333]

​@@LinusPVPNs are just Tor made by companies, so they are much more unsafe than Tor

[@joeyk3134]

As a general rule, just never confess anything to law enforcement no matter what.

[@k.o.o.p.a.]

Pretty low-tier criminal activity here. I thought I was going to learn something

[@BumAssNigga408]

Have you ever even heard of the silk road?

[@AbandonedVoid]

To be fair, altoid got caught in the same way a lot of other high-level criminals have been caught; just enough small slip-ups to put together a larger picture.

[@JoeyVSupreme]

The Silk Road was just a marketplace though. Ulbritch (idk if that’s spelled correctly) himself wasn’t peddling and pushing the drugs. Just facilitating it for other people. The feds make cyber crimes appear to be the worst thing ever to uneducated judges and juries. He got two life sentences for basically running a shop, because the FBI scared people into thinking he was a horrific person. They did the same thing with Kevin Mitnick, the judge who sentenced him basically believed he could start WW3 by whistling into a phone, because the FBI said so.

[@SmokeyDope]

@@JoeyVSupreme If i remember corectly the guy was no saint either, they got PM emails of him trying to hire a hitman to take out some bad suppliers and scammers that were threatening him. Not that the extremely rich and powerful corperations dont do the same thing but they have the political power to bribe govt agencies. So no, the guy isnt as innocent as the bakery shopkeep down the road but i agree two life scentences is a tad extreme. They probably just wanted to make a example out of him, power and control all that jazz

[@nykal1510]

@@SmokeyDope Everyone would've done the same

[@HuxleysShaggyDog]

Federal agents are outside my apartment right now. Thanks OP!

[@copperchatter6890]

The Cocain Import Agency dont like competition son!

[@themedleb]

The most important message here is: "Don't try this at home".

[@LinKueiDragon]

No, that was already done by WWE. Same with 'Don't try this anywhere'

[@mukkaar]

Sometimes I think this guy might be consultant for lots of criminals on security :D

[@MrBikboi]

God I hope the orange man wins, pardoning Ulbricht would legit bring a tear to my eyes.

[@mnm1273]

LOL, he's just saying whatever people want to hear to get vote. There's no way to leader of a conservative party is going to free a drug kingpin. Imagine the backlash from their normal voter base.

[@atsurokihara5525]

Such a great video! Excellent analysis

[@biofluorescence]

Inb4 that one schizo tells you using tor is bad even with good opsec

[@Misha-dr9rh]

the only secure form of communication is via carrier pigeon

[@davel9514]

@@Misha-dr9rh I used that and got caught - pigeon died en route and my cunning plan was discovered 😁

[@MemberRoach]

My school makes you install spyware to use the wifi. True story, we haven't got a bomb threat since.

[@CGoody564]

So... You basically just took information from Defcon 22 talks and made a video about it, without giving any credit to those who gave the talks... That's pretty shitty. Not even a mention in the description. You even took the title from Adrian Crenshaw's talk specifically.

[@zaksaturday1693]

At the end of everything, especially with Ross Ulbricht, ego gets someone. He didn't WANT to remain anonymous. He wanted everyone to know who he was and to be known as a success, which is not something you should be aiming for when you're doing this sort of activity

[@SECONDQUEST]

Did not expect this to get so in-depth. Hopefully NSA man doesn't send someone to my house. I just like the funny stories. 😥