The Mets Have Never Won an MVP. Have They Ever Come Close?

[@JollyOlive]

What Mets player got snubbed the worst? My pick is Dwight Gooden in '85.

[@antonioreconquistador]

Doc for sure, Keith Hernandez is a HOF snub by far

[@billslocum9819]

I'd say Seaver in '69. He was the difference in getting them to a World Series, similar to but greater than what Willie McGee did for the Cardinals in 1985, when he won a Gold Glove and hit for the highest average of any NL player in 10 years. Willie McCovey's 1969 was the greatest season by a great player, but it was all bat with him and the Giants did not make the postseason (but they were in a strong division).

[@PHXNKVHXLIC]

Mine is Lastings Milledge

[@Trottah]

Don't know if Wright should have won in '07, but Rollins was a crazy pick to win considering the 1.000+ OPS seasons by Holliday and Fielder. Whether it's SABR stats or traditional, he should have finished 4th. Probably the Phils winning the east boosted him, but the Rox made the playoffs that year too. Maybe the Coors Field bias held Holliday back.

[@PHXNKVHXLIC]

@@Trottahit was the coors field bias which I think is stupid

[@nicholaskatsikas4904]

To a certain degree I feel bad for Lindor. He has been under appreciated ever since becoming a Met despite fully living up to his contract and being one of the best all-around shortstops in the game. It just sucks for him that the one year where he and the Mets as a whole have gotten a lot of attention and praise for the incredible turn around Ohtani decided to have the best season a DH could ever have outside of getting the triple crown.

[@DJpeptobismol]

There have definitely been times that Lindor has struggled as a Met and the fans and press were hard on him

[@nicholaskatsikas4904]

@@DJpeptobismol which makes very funny somewhat that all the Mets fans are suddenly caping for Lindor. Not too say Lindor doesn’t deserve praise but part of the reason he’s gone under-appreciated is because of Mets fans and the media. You look at the numbers though and every season ends in a pretty good place. That’s why he consistently sneaks in on MVP ballots and stays in contention for silver sluggers and Gold Gloves.

[@luiss.3866]

so what you're saying is it sucks because the season the mets and lindor decided to make some noise is the season that ohtani decided to become part of the national league

[@NGLaw56]

@@nicholaskatsikas4904not all Mets fans, Mets fans who are also fans of the player have stood by him since day 1 🇵🇷

[@warlordofbritannia]

Someone tried telling me at the start of the season that Lindor was an overrated bum *and* Bo Bichette was better.

[@chesterthechickeneater1302]

2021 DeGron would've easily won the award if it werent for his injury. That year had weak competition for the MVP, and he was pitching the best baseball of his life, and had the potential to record the greatest pitching season ever

[@luiss.3866]

as i dodger fan i loved every moment of jacob degrom owning the padres and a red hot tatis that year in citi field

[@skorpiontamer]

5:05 how the hell did Seaver finish 2nd in the CY voting with a 1.76 era 😭

[@Kawhilight]

I could maybe see cause Fergie threw almost 50 innings more than him but Seaver was still far better in less time lol

[@nicholaskatsikas4904]

@@skorpiontamer probably because his win loss record was bad that’s what decided the Cy Young back then

[@billslocum9819]

Ferguson Jenkins's ERA was over a run higher, too. The Mets and Cubs were tied that season, but Jenkins's team won for him a little more, and wins were a notorious Cy Young voting bias back then.

[@ATCguy1973]

The Mets offense was so anemic in 1971. Had they hit for Seaver, he easily would have had 30 wins. Same for Degrom in 2018 and 2019.

[@billslocum9819]

@@ATCguy1973 Ed Kranepool had his best season, and Cleon Jones was in 1969 form. They just didn't hit home runs, or have any bench depth. Seaver had to go nine every time out or get deGrommed.

[@Ehloheim]

Jolly Olive videos be like “Ah yes, 2018 Jacob Degrom, I remember that guy”

[@aidansheedy8135]

During the shutdown in 2020, my bored self made a stat spreadsheet realigning all the MVPs since 1920. In research, it was clear the Mets should have had 3 MVPS: - ‘07 Wright - ‘85 Gooden - ‘71 Seaver

[@joshdelagarza231]

This sounds like something a nerdy character would say in a baseball comedy sitcom

[@UTNatlChamps]

Pujols had a very good case in 2007.

[@aidansheedy8135]

@@joshdelagarza231 what can I say? It’s gotten to the point where there’s thousands of stat pages I can identify without seeing the name

[@aidansheedy8135]

@@UTNatlChamps he placed below Wright in votes? Wright had a 30/30 season and was a top 5 defender. Rollins was really good too, but not on Wright’s level

[@rustyshackleford6637]

​@@UTNatlChamps Poohole was a good choice always

[@asdfaeou]

I have two comments: 1. Lindor finishing second to Ohtani would make him the most Met, Met ever. Just so befitting of Mets lore 2. The transition at 7:04.....Chefs. Kiss. That is brilliant, low key editing sir. Well done.

[@conmankershaw]

Can we just talk about how casually Pedro Martinez was nearly 200% better than the average pitcher that year. That is absolutely bonkers.

[@gDiniM]

@@conmankershaw just had to check because it really is incredible he didnt win an MVP, AND HE WAS 5TH!?!?! 🤦‍♂️ fucking voters lmao

[@DGS2605]

Piazza really should've won at least one. He was just saddled with playing against guys like Bonds, Larry Walker, Tony Gwynn.

[@cococock2418]

In the midst of the roid era too.

[@ATCguy1973]

Strawberry was robbed in 1988. That's a fact! They definitely changed their votes during the post season no thanks to Keith Hernandez!

[@Toad22484]

Carlos Delgado is my favorite MLB player of all time, I grew up watching him on the Jays and seeing him ball out on the Mets was so satisfying. Thanks for the video!

[@jimmy3people0]

I've described Doc's '85 as a "shonen protagonist season" before for good reason.

[@JulianWyllie]

As a Mets fan I'd be happy for Lindor if he got it, but what would make me more happy is if the team goes on a playoff run. I'd be totally fine with Ohtani winning with a 45-45 or 50-50 season if that means the Mets are in the World Series during what was supposed to be a down year for the club.

[@TheBrokenJester]

Thanks as always for the nostalgic yet heartbreaking look back at my life as a Mets fan! Appreciate you Jolly. LFGM

[@gideonlebowitz8067]

A healthy deGrom over the full 2021 could've been his greatest season and made the MVP race interesting. A 1.08 ERA and 373 ERA+ (!!)

[@jayboegs6268]

I almost cried when Knight and Mitchell were unceremoniously dumped. Beginning of the end of Mets greatness just days after the WS. 😢

[@warlordofbritannia]

Knight was essentially done, but Mitchell was indeed just given away.

[@broganspam]

you should do this for the Dbacks & Rays too!

[@alexanderl5273]

I absolutely love that jolly found a way to make a vid abt the Mets while it also being like a regular style video 😅ur the best mane

[@jimharper2180]

The best thing about the Mets not having a MVP winner is the frequency at which people get burned for not knowing that in baseball trivia games.

[@wisyanksfangaming3434]

LOVE LOVE LOVE THE MIB MENTION!!!! That's how I knew him for years, still chuckle when I see a card of his

[@NoUploadJustComment]

Great job on this video. May it age like milk this offseason :)

[@DavidToborg]

Excluding 2021 deGrom who would have won unanimously had he not gotten injured. 😭

[@warlordofbritannia]

If a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its booty. If DeGrom wasn’t a glass cannon he’d be ticketed for the Hall.

[@chuckjammy9251]

Strawberry was definitely robbed in back to back years in ‘87 & ‘88. Still can’t believe they gave it to Andre Dawson in ‘87

[@explorewithme4707]

HoJo was my favorite player as a kid. Switch hitter 30/30 and played 3B SS OF

[@ianroot7801]

Hojo forever! I still emulate that majestic swing he had batting left handed, which was still awesome to witness even when it caught nothing but air. I think they should have retired his number.

[@aqgpandemic5406]

17:41 OMG CHRIS HOILES MENTION WHOOOOOO!!!!!

[@gakster29]

1996 Hundley also set the record for most HRs in a season by a catcher. It was surreal.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Considering he was juicing-yeah, there’s a reason it seemed so surreal 😂

[@bigvato]

Love that despite all the statistics and information sharing, we got hit with "Do a barrel roll!"

[@dshiesty1871]

Lindor is having an amazing year not saying he’s not but an .831 OPS for an MVP it would be crazy

[@dshiesty1871]

Again not saying .831 isn’t a great OPS, but for an MVP winner??

[@dshiesty1871]

Last MVP winner with a OPS that low is ichrio but he was breaking records and even he had a higher OPS lol

[@CT-1255]

Very interesting! Great video!

[@phatshotsgaming7578]

As soon as I heard Keith Hernandez I was fully expecting the pretty boy clip thank you jolly 😂

[@ThePrayinmantiz]

Strawberry was robbed of that MVP in 88.....

[@the51geese38]

You should do a video about how the least competitive division (Al central) has been very competitive this year. Minus the white sox

[@warlordofbritannia]

It’s in part *because* of the White Sox. They’re so bad they’re pushing the Tigers above .500, and the fall of the AL West further accentuates the division’s internal improvement. Of the latter, it’s the Royals one-winter rebuild that has worked out far better than anyone could have expected and Cleveland’s young hitting core bouncing back from a collective off year. Going forward I expect the Guardians to resume their rule, especially when they get their pitching pipeline back in to wack. The Royals will likely bounce back down, the Twins will continue to be bridesmaids and the Tigers…well I’m not crazy enough to try to pretend to guess where they are right now in their cycle.

[@robertgoulet7886]

Aside from MIB, my only memory of Bernard Gilkey was when the New York Post had FOUND GILKEY on its back page. It was almost as good as BAERGA KING.

[@bvd7517]

Oh, we're doing this video today, are we?

[@BXMarathoner26]

Wild that if Voting in 1985 was what it is the last 15 yrs it likely goes to either Carter or Gooden. Keith had more RBIs than Sandberg and just a few HRs less while playing an All-World 1st base. Damn even Straw in 88 had superior numbers to Gibson; Dodger really stuck it to the Mets in 88 for sure. Looks like the case for 2024 with Otani getting that 50/50 season as a DH over Lindor who plays everyday likely heading for 30/30 while playing Gold Glove defense at SS and playing everyday. Also convinced if the WC existed Mets not only would've made the playoffs a few more times but would've made another WS run in one of those years. 2005 was a Braden Looper and off-Beltran season from making the playoffs. And lastly, 2021 deGrom before he got injured was not only going to win a 3rd CY Young but would've gotten some MVP votes with the way he was hitting as well.

[@eggoslayer1001]

The MVP runner-up is about to become way more impressive now that Shohei is a thing lol.

[@bjt81366]

That is unbelievable! I would have thought Strawberry had at least one. Well, the PhilliesChuck Klein (1932) Jim Konstanty (1950) Mike Schmidt (1980, 1981, 1986) Ryan Howard (2006) Jimmy Rollins (2007) Bryce Harper (2021) Jus sayin...

[@JulianWyllie]

Interesting point about the Giants beating the Mets in MVP votes at 18:20 considering the Giants' former history as a New York team. The great thing about the game to me is all the background information you can end up learning.

[@PixelZinger]

HE SNUBBED PHIL BICKFORD 😢😢😢

[@2jackdolan]

Grimace deserves MVP votes too

[@chriscreaturo8809]

Hernandez took home the co-mvp in 1979, one of the more controversial votes for awards I'd say

[@jadenfoster7729]

Hernandez should’ve been the sole mvp winner

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@jadenfoster7729 Probably but it’s wholesome how things actually worked out

[@daltonoutlaw7697]

This series for the Rangers and cy young's would be cool

[@KevinQuinn81]

"We're talkin' Hoooooomeeeeer...Ozzie and The Straw!"

[@sandysmokes655]

that simpsons clip gonna get you hit homie

[@nacoran]

I think maybe Gooden got hurt by not being the only pitcher with an ERA under 2.00 that season. Since Tudor also did it, even although Gooden had the lower ERA his ERA didn't look quite as otherworldly. I think in a lot of seasons Tudor could have been an MVP as well.

[@ryangale3757]

Have to say, Piazza had some of the easiest opposite field home run swings I've ever seen. Every time I see clips of him going oppo, it just seems to jump off the bat in a way I don't feel like I see from many other hitters.

[@smartnessness123]

Can you make this type of video except for Atlanta Braves MVP winners (there's been like 8 btw)

[@Relentlezz41]

I feel bad for Lindor to a point. But he had a very late start. Even later than Judge. Fans called radio stations and asked if Lindor can quit switch hitting! Even if Ohtani didn’t get a 40/40 let alone 50/50, tough giving it to Lindor. Depending on who you ask of course

[@gDiniM]

I think that only makes his season more impressive. He took that long to start producing and he still leads the NL in fWAR lmao. At the end of the day, slow starts dont matter. CC finished 6th in MVP voting after being traded to the NL mid-season in 08. Your impact for the season is what matters, and while the MVP is a player award when its this close of a race, being a dodger in front of Betts, Freeman and Smith... yeah it should go to Lindor.

[@SlugCult718]

Hmm, I grew up in NYC and I never would've thought they never had an MVP. I'm a Yankees fan from the Bronx, but it's still New York. I grew up in the 1980s/early nineties, and there wasn't interleague play yet when I was real young. I would've thought either Seaver or maybe Gooden.

[@thirteenthtone]

For any other frustrated nerds, Seaver was traded for Pat Zachry, Doug Flynn, Steve Henderson, and Dan Norman. Hernandez was traded for Neil Allen and Rick Ownbey (wowza). Carter was traded for Hubie Brooks, Herm Winningham, Mike Fitzgerald, and Floyd Youmans. Gilkey was traded for Erik Hiljus, Eric Ludwick, and Yudith(!) Orozio. Lance Johnson signed as a free agent, not via trade (tsk, tsk, @jollyolive) Okay, that's enough of my obnixiousness, and, of course, thanks for everything you do, Jolly.

[@bwredder]

Maybe they stunk as a team from 2009-14, but the Mets had their first no-hitter, RA Dickey won the CYA, and they had their first batting title in Jose Reyes during that span.

[@jackstraw522]

The 80s Mets are the Dynasty that never was

[@blmjusa]

John Olerud was acquired via trade, not as a free agent.

[@stefangrey]

The Mets and just missing out always go hand in hand. Muck the Fets. #GoPhils

[@Gravy_Jones22]

Beltran in 06 was so good but friggin Pujols. Edit: Actually, friggin Howard.

[@jethrojacinto2798]

Nah you were right the first time. Pujols got robbed.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Pujols deserved *at least* two more MVPs. It seemed like the writers were always looking for someone else so as to avoid giving it him every year 😂

[@MuttaqiIsmail]

Mark Vientos might be another Mets MVP candidate in the coming years.

[@skalty9868]

The Mets are really about to miss out on MVP to the first ever DH to win MVP

[@acelm8437]

And that DH is somehow in the National League.

[@antonioreconquistador]

85 Doc didnt get one? Insane

[@mikehawks1161]

2006 Beltran was special

[@jamessinclair5859]

Need jolly olives thoughts on Ben verlander’s tweet about mark vientos

[@michaellehman759]

Video on the lack of a 30 hr season from the Giants since Bonds?

[@raypavey1102]

Oh the pain of being a Mets fan!

[@ThePryzedOne]

I heard the Star Fox do a barrel roll 😂😂

[@chadcushing1638]

Banger

[@doormat2539]

Bro when you were talking about piazza and it brought up Chris hoiles. I’m like I’ve never heard of him and he did it in the 90s so I look up his baseball reference and he has a career 833 ops wtf no all stars no nothing real solid ball player I’ve never heard of

[@debbiehenson1096]

A reporter lied about Seaver's wife and he left because of that.

[@elchancho8432]

And it definitely won’t happen this year lmao

[@GTcook15]

Dave Kingman in the 70s hit some homers🤷‍♂️ just batted about .230 lol but Doc and or Gary Carter in 85 are both mvp snubs

[@juncruz6266]

3:10 whit sox fan= ill heard you !! lol

[@NotMeNaNaNa]

As a Cubs fan I hate the Mets with a passion. Whether it’s the tales my dad told me of 1969 or just all the obnoxious Mets fans in 2015. I took comfort in not only the Royals pwning them in the WS but 2016 finally being “the year” 😎 Glad to know that WS title also came with an added bonus over the Mets, an NL MVP award for KB 😜

[@OMGWTHBBQPANDA117]

I haven't even watched the video yet but I'll just get it out of the way and say yes Wright should've won over JRoll in 2007 we all know that I'm sorry and go Phils

[@Belangerz]

Degrom and gooden definitely deserved the mvp.

[@dylan-is8uh]

Could you do this but for CY Young’s for the Rangers please😭

[@patrickamtman4804]

That's crazy.....I thought Keith Hernandez won it on the Mets but guess not🤷🏻

[@emorimiku]

Do those uniforms speak for themselves? Because I feel like I need a video explaining those uniforms.

[@crystal_pepsi]

If you have to pick one rightful MVP, its gotta be '85 Gooden right

[@FoxxyBrown1111]

How Dwight Gooden did not win the MVP in 1985 is beyond any sane person in the world, baseball people or not. He was so dominant its almost impossible, even better than DeGrom. It just shows baseball writers have no idea about baseball. Its obvious. If they knew and had talent playing baseball they´d never become writers.

[@gavinvanhouten2063]

deGrom should’ve won in 2018.

[@chasebingaman]

Team was too bad that year

[@Rk9555]

prob wouldve won in 21 if he didnt die after the asb

[@Bones912]

@@chasebingamanthen how trout win all those mvps???

[@mbdg6810]

@@chasebingamanMVP should not ever be about the team.

[@gDiniM]

​@@Rk9555he finished 9th in CY despite missing half the year 😭 the MVP was locked up for a healthy finish. Biggest tragedy in sports history.

[@willmartinez7177]

it makes me annoyed that lindor isn’t gonna win mvp this year. ohtani is playing insane and all but a dh shouldn’t win mvp over a position player. unless if lindor goes nuclear for this last stretch of the regular season, it’s unfortunately going to ohtani

[@chazzx1018]

MVP isn't as big in baseball as other sports. More about Cy Youngs, gold gloves and silver sluggers awards. So many great players throughout the league with different skillsets, so people are going to favor one over another. Rey Ordonez defense alone was mvp worthy. It was that good imo.

[@reesejabs1895]

Darryl Strawberry never won it? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just surprises me. 😮

[@ThePrayinmantiz]

Yeah he was robbed in 88 everyone knew he should have won it that year.

[@mac7133]

Could this be the year where both records of mets futility come to an end?

[@thinkforyourself5672]

Personally with Lindor playing the field everyday and hitting, he should be favored above Ohtani. I know that's not going to happen but playing the hardest defensive position at gold glove caliper and hitting like he is should net him above Ohtani

[@nerothelost9605]

Bad take. Im sorry.

[@thinkforyourself5672]

@@nerothelost9605 You don't have to apologize lol. I'm personally more impressed with a player playing almost every game in the field over a player just batting. If Ohtani was pitching and DH'ing then no question about his votes.. Hitting like Lindor is mixed with Gold glove caliper defense impresses me more.

[@zaneplatt3533]

​@thinkforyourself5672 the issue is that even when you take into account his defensive value, he still has less WAR.

[@zaneplatt3533]

The other issue is Bobby Witt is also more valuable and at the same position, so it makes his season less impressive

[@gDiniM]

​@zaneplatt3533 depending on thr WAR statistic you use. He has a significant lead in fWAR and Ohtani leads in rWAR.

[@thisgamestinky89]

He’s been working in baseball media for about 4 years now

[@BensPitchingClips]

Thanks this game stinky 89

[@thisgamestinky89]

@@BensPitchingClipsnp

[@wwpjd28]

No pitcher should ever win MVP unless there is not a single position player of worth at all. They have an award.

[@stubbstheman]

I'm kind of rooting for the Mets to play in October

[@JonWebb-s3b]

I thought Marv Throneberry won the award.

[@codygurnick6405]

I know the consensus is that Griffey has the sweetest swing in baseball history but Olerud and Venture had gorgeous swings. And then there's little hitch Straw had that triggered what i like to call beautiful violence.

[@ilikesodaa1643]

will clark also had a beautiful swing

[@jadenfoster7729]

@@ilikesodaa1643I could watch the thrill swing all day

[@gDiniM]

@@codygurnick6405 unbelievably unpopular opinion, I hate griffeys swing, I think it looks so forced and unnatural. Never had anyone agree with me, and likely never will.

[@codygurnick6405]

@@gDiniM it's not an unpopular opinion if you're the only one dawg.

[@gDiniM]

@@codygurnick6405 ummm yes it is? Either im really dumb or that just makes no sense 😅

[@Nashley12331]

All these "torrid" runs. So that means awful. I'm guessing Murica has somehow managed to flip that upside down...

[@CT--eo2vv]

Didnt Daniel Murphy finish second in 2016?

[@PaulSmith-fz3qc]

Funny I always thought Hernandez had won his MVP with the Mets. I almost forgot he came from St Louis

[@gDiniM]

I have been combing through these comments trying to figure out how noone was talking about the CO-MVP ....... bruh 🤦‍♂️

[@jameskreisler6083]

I am seated. (Wright should have won in 2007)

[@THE1ONE2016]

Not even. He isn't an MVP

[@nomercyinc6783]

historically mediocre teams dont deserve having mvp. mvp never meant best player. most valuable to the team. fans dont dictate what awards mean at all.

[@MatthewBaumgarten]

I thought Keith Hernandez won mvp in 1986 when the beat Boston in the World Series?

[@johnpastore7685]

Ray Knight was MVP World Series MVP

[@BenderIsGr8]

Why didn't Piazza win it in '99? 🤔

[@DFCwastaken]

I personally hope this video never becomes outdated

[@jasonb809]

happy grape strikes again

[@EthanRKassel]

Albert Pujols should have won that MVP over Howard in '06.

[@the_swoletariat1621]

I’m shocked Gary Carter didn’t win it tbh

[@distraughtwav]

up until seeing the title of this video i was 100% sure piazza had won an mvp