The MH3 Leaks Were Real - Power Creep Inbound

[@markoramius4689]

Have to acknowledge growth when it happens. Wizards responded with high-res images of leaks instead of the literal Pinkertons this time.

[@kerolokerokerolo]

Idk, they are to consistent with their decisions... I'm expecting for the Pinkertons two appear next leaks lol

[@Shinius]

Clearly Aftermath was so important they had to go the Pinkerton route.

[@EastToWestTCG]

​@@kerolokerokerolo I was expecting for the Pinkertons one appear next leaks lol

[@anthonydelfino6171]

"leaks" I'm with Vince here that the "leaks" were from Wizards themselves. Images look like they were shot using a shaky potato. No one takes pics that bad unless they're trying to make them look terrible, maybe ran them through a filter (like we're seeing on the rumors subreddit with someone trying to pass off proxies with a deep fried filter over them as "leaks")

[@jenniferwilliams9612]

For these leaks, the released photos, instead of hired goons…. Baby steps!…. Baby steps!…

[@colinfowler3021]

A point not addressed about Cthonian Nightmare is that it is now interactable. Recurring Nightmare resolves and can be activated without passing priority (returning it to the caster's hand therefore never presenting a window for on board interaction). The new card has an ETB trigger that must resolve before the activated ability can be used (because it is sorcery speed and the stack won't be clear if the ETB is still on the stack). The ETB to add 3 energy forces the card to pass priority around and gives players the opportunity to interact with the onboard enchantment.

[@satansamael666]

The reduction in mana cost makes it kinda dumb. Makes it Lurrus legal and also more synergistic and smoother to do dumb things like loops.

[@carbunclegirl]

@@satansamael666Lurrus is banned in every format, I don’t see how that is in any way relevant…

[@satansamael666]

@@carbunclegirl it’s legal in commander and vintage. Vintage isn’t so relevant but commander is decently relevant that it’s a whole cottage industry. In fact there’s some argument for it being good.

[@fromheartfeltplaces_4627]

As a korvold player who has asked for Reoccuring Nightmare in EDH for years... this is it at home, and I'm still 100% okay with it.

[@satansamael666]

@@fromheartfeltplaces_4627 and you’re probably already playing Dockside and OBM, so having a convenient infinite is so cash money.

[@jul_____438]

People getting upset about creators talking about spoilers is wild to me. I would have never guessed people care about how Hasbro want to reveal their stuff. Especially if there is monetary value in having this information earlier, like you said.

[@MaleusMaleficarum]

Bots care... real people probably dont.

[@RollingCalf]

I'm just upset that there is a constant stream of things to spoil

[@atk9989]

Finance idiots care. If they stopped trying to treat magic like the stock market then spoilers wouldn't be a big deal. Also I'd bet when spoilers were less looked at it was used to inside trade with the Finance idiots.

[@afriggs1982]

They care because it effects their income. If you are the one that gets to reveal a card, and Hasbro is paying you to do it. But info gets spoiled...you don't get paid. I'd be ticked if someone took 50 bucks out of my paycheck. And I'm pretty sure Hasbro pays more than 50 bucks when someone reveals for them.

[@RollingCalf]

@@afriggs1982 lol why do they even do this. Magic requires zero advertising. Gamers are gonna find out about it no matter what

[@TiredMages]

Kappa Cannoneer is going to be bananas in Modern. Most of the pieces of affinity seem relatively cheap. Would be neat to have another ok deck to rotate around with.

[@Tooldruid]

Bananas to a point. Affinity has a TON of hate it will be fighting. Once you face a Meltdown for 2 good luck ever casting your Kappa, lol

[@GeoQuag]

I think kappa is overhyped in the formats it’s currently legal in and they have way better affinity cards Kappa is the card you remember losing to as it kills you and blanks removal, but it’s not actually the thing making those decks work Good in modern, yes. Bananas, probably not

[@nobodyshome6792]

Strong, yes. Bananas not so much. It just isn't as good as many other options available. Plus for this card, the rest of your deck is more important.

[@cormaca7069]

Crazy upside to Ugin’s Labyrinth is that you can exile it to give it protection from hand attack

[@Asrugan]

Preview season, now known as every single month.

[@milramas]

im tired boss

[@benghis_kaan]

I agree, annoying that they keep printing free spells despite lots of evidence that this design approach is problematic. For Final Act, the thing that jumps out to me is that it will remove opponents energy counters

[@5371W]

Knight of the Reliquary, Fine Art Wright of the Reliquary, Scooby Doo Promo

[@marcelsf23br]

They did her dirty. Hate this new art.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

these are the kinds of invalid complaints I come to kenobi's comments to laugh at

[@marcelsf23br]

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 How is weak art an invalid complaint in MTG, a game were literally every card has a specific artwork?

[@5371W]

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Invalid how?

[@marcobiraghi]

😂

[@SaltySparrow]

I love how MH3 goes back to old planes like Alara. Their headlines around Kappa and Meltdown were basically what I said in my head.

[@TheSmartCinema]

Null Elemental Blast sounds pretty good in Commander with monocolored decks. With all the colorless utility lands you can run in a monocolor deck, it's pretty easy to pay for it, and its effect is really desirable when playing monocolor outside blue. Countering Voja for 1 mana in my monowhite deck? Yes please. I kinda see it as a colorless Wash Away (1 mana commander counter). I will definitely experiment with it.

[@LuckyAssult]

The other reason that Chthonian Nightmare is a "fixed" version, is because of the ETB trigger. It means that you can actually blow it up with a Disenchant effect when it enters. A part of what made Reoccurring nightmares so annoying was because of how it worked with priority meaning you never would never get a chance to target it with anything besides a Counter-Spell.

[@lancesmith8298]

And on the flip side, just so we’re not gonna sit here and pretend that the card can’t be good, the fact it’s based on Energy also means that the value gained from playing it also isn’t going to go away without very specific hate. Even without the potential of more support for energy, playing your second copy probably means you can immediately come back with something that costs 6 or less mana, for 3 mana, or play out three turns of four drops for 3 apiece and only one card. This isn’t even touching on proliferate, mind you. The card can be interacted with, but it can come out the gate swinging, and every time you successfully get rid of one, the next copy gets scarier.

[@satansamael666]

The reduction in mana cost does also makes it Lurrus legal. It matters in commander where Lurrus companion decks are actually decently competitive.

[@nobodyshome6792]

The thing is you are not considering deck support. Current energy decks can hit between 4 and 15 energy on turn 2. People are definitely going to be dropping 8+ cost bombs using this on turn 2 or 3. You will definitely see turn 2-3 Blightsteel or Karn Reforged or Liberty Prime. It is going to be abused so much harder than Recurring Nightmare was, despite it supposedly being the "fixed" version of the card. Recurring Nightmare requires a creature sacrifice. So it actually doesn't provide any card advantage when used. This new one actually creates CARD ADVANTAGE. Recurring Nightmare didn't produce a resource advantage (by itself) whereas this new on does. (Energy counters). Seriously though. Turn 1. Swamp, ritual, sol ring, Nightmare->1 drop, recast nightmare -> 5 drop. Turn 1. Literally something that Recurring Nightmare CANNOT accomplish. Have fun with those turn 1 Karn Legacy Reforged or Forgemasters. Or turn 2 Blightsteel or Wurmcoils.

[@satansamael666]

@@nobodyshome6792 the bigger usage might simply be a Dockside loop piece that doubles as a Drannith proof Breach in Blue Farm. Card’s simply cracked.

[@nobodyshome6792]

@@satansamael666 I see the dockside recursion loop, but I'm not sure this will see much play in Blue Farm. By itself, it isn't going to generate much interaction. Other than as a hate-bait. And it just doesn't APPEAR to be as powerful as it actually is to experienced players. (As can be seen by almost no one thinking it is actually busted, aside from me and you.) Back in the day, I was an early abuser of Recurring Nightmare. It took a YEAR of competitive play for Recurring Nightmare to get banned. In my eyes, this is actually a more powerful version, despite it supposedly being the fixed version. As I said. This new one actually creates card and resource advantage, whereas Recurring Nightmare didn't. (Don't get me wrong, you can create advantage using Recurring Nightmare, however this new one creates that advantage alone.) That requiring a sacrifice creature is the reason Recurring Nightmare wasn't banned quickly. It has a sacrifice cost, and was printed during a time where token creatures were not commonly played or used. (At the time, almost every card that created token creatures was rare, costly in mana, or not even legal in tournament play....) Honestly. Recurring Nightmare is way more powerful now than it was in 1998.

[@EnerKaizer]

I love how MTG products are slowly devolving into you getting cards from, what feels like, 15 different games instead of, you know, just Magic. Imagine opening up a pack, and you get 1 Uno card, 1 skip-bo-card, 1 debt-card (Parallel foil), 2 cards for commander, 2 Poker cards, 1 regular magic card, and then just a piece of paper. I know I'm hyperbolic here, but MTG feels like this for ages now.

[@lost_pantheon]

Yeah, every time I opened one of the Dungeons and Dragon packs it felt like I got 3 actual Magic the Gathering cards and then 12 art cards fell out of the booster pack.

[@SirToastyToes]

Funnily enough that exact product was one of MSCHF's, who then went on to make a Secret Lair

[@EnerKaizer]

@@lost_pantheon wasn't talking about guest or cameo cards from other proprties. I was specifically talking about the multitiude of formats plaquing the game, which just feels like MTG player sare doing everything in their might to NOT play MTG.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

*to you. it doesn't feel like that at all to me

[@bohab787]

​​@@EnerKaizer why is this a bad thing? If standard was the only format, you would probably complain that the game is boring.

[@ZovcDrafts]

Hey Papa Kenobi, you put "Modern Horizons 2" in the video description 🙈

[@travis_approved]

+

[@Mwarrior1991]

yeah! change it to commander masters 2 please

[@kerolokerokerolo]

Shhht, dont point when he makes a mistake or he will immatuerly attack you with ad hominems. He is unable to respond to criticism in an adult form. Check the answers he gives when sombedoy makes a slightly negative.comment or criticism. It is baffling an sad to see.

[@neorazor1403]

​@@kerolokerokerolo that's actually most creators on KZbin. I've stopped participating in live streams with all content creators, aside from Heroes and Legends... John is a really down to earth guy. I'm not gonna drop names but I've been run out of live streams for disagreeing with the hosts opinion.

[@kerolokerokerolo]

@@neorazor1403 100% they act like deities that can't be criticized... it is sad to see how "power" changes people, or fame, whatever it is. I honestly don't know why you'd be so toxic towards the community that put you in the successful position you are right now... it is counterintuitive

[@NXPhoenix3]

Oh snap! Flare of Denial is gonna make Storm Crow even more broken! I acknowledge it's a cheap joke, but I could not resist.

[@greystgermain542]

eldrazi winter is fast approaching. might have to start making my zhulodok deck to prepare for the impending powercreep

[@aclevername7613]

yea personally I just don't verse anyone using eldrazi. IF I see their commander is a eldrazi I don't bother shuffling and find another game. It will not be a fun game.

[@Zakading]

@@aclevername7613 Very much depends on how much money they dump in. Mid-budget Zhulodok decks are honestly often just pretty mediocre and get beat to a pulp before they get any chance to do much

[@ich3730]

@@Zakading its just another solid high power EDH deck. There are like 20 of these. let little timmy put cthulu on board and have fun

[@nobodyshome6792]

While there is a deliberate push towards Eldrazi by theme of the set, the new nightmare isn't going to be used for most of them. Blightsteel, Karn, Wurmcoils on turn 1 or 2 will be considerably more common plays. It is going to be used for extremely powerful 5-8 drops early more than for bringing put those 9+ drops. (Except for Blightsteel. That thing is just too damn good.)

[@ML-yn9yu]

Yeah I just got the precon with zhulodok and im going to work around it and build it up. The new dragon looks like a great addition

[@jenniferwilliams9612]

20:22 I actually think that Flare of Denial is probably much much weaker than it looks…. They found a way to make a free counterspell underwhelming.

[@nicks4802]

Good

[@florinalinmarginean1135]

Any free spell with a good effect will always be good. Flare is an insane card and can only be held back by tons of efficient removal (like Fatal Push). I can easily see blue tempo decks absolutely farming Tron even after all of this insane support

[@chuckwagon3718]

My first thought was dredge. Saccing a Narcomoeba or Prized Amalgam to protect the rest of your board against something problematic, especially if you can recur the creature later, makes the cost not as bad. Maybe that's not good enough though

[@Tjips]

Don't forget World Breaker as an imprint option for Urza's Labyrinth. Also: The fact that this land isn't legendary is bananas!

[@smartkaboose3806]

Is energy considered a counter? Ie, does final act drain all the energy people have? EDIT: yes it is, and yes it does. That makes sense as to why it's on the card as energy is a theme in the commander set (and maybe main set)

[@ThePhoenixSlayer]

Yes, energy is a counter

[@Thoughtmage100]

Yes, they are counters.

[@ServbotNumba40]

Experience counters are also a thing in the eldrazi deck so this was likely in there as a blanket spell to answer 2 of the major themes that are difficult to interact with.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

yes, and yes. Also important just in case you're playing, say, infect and your opponent is playing energy. You can proliferate your poison counter on them, but you also MUST give them another energy if you do so.

[@RyanEglitis]

Urza's Workshop also looking up with these 2 new Urza lands

[@_Mythic777_]

JESUS Planar Nexus seems amazing! It turns on all Urza's lands, it works with spelunking, it's returnable with Cosmium Confulence, AND it works with Maze's End! There's more interactions it has that I'm too lazy to put but damn! As for Un-cards being developed into real cards, another instance of this is Doodle Hydra becoming Neverwinter Hydra, where you pay XXGG and roll X D6 where the Hydra's power is the total roll of those dice, with an additional effect. Another thing I noticed about the set is that reprints have their original release's set symbols on the background of the text which is pretty cool

[@Megamaduo]

I'm really intrigued by the idea of a card that wipes all tracked game states like dungeons, monarch, day/night, etc. Problem mechanics or no it would be a nice tool to have access to.

[@theabrandt6177]

Just a note, final act hits OPPONENT'S counters, which is great if you're trying to protect your own experience/energy counters, but worthless if you're getting poisoned out or radded up

[@syndicate5357]

The Ugin Labyrinth is a crazy way to defend against a thoughtseize while also getting an advantage

[@d_andrews]

That might be the case occasionally, but usually the best thoughtseize target will be a spell that accelerates you towards casting the big spell, rather than the big spell itself. Obviously if you draw into natural Tron and can hide away your Karn/Ugin then you're happy, but if you need to cast spells to assemble Tron then they'll likely seize those. And of course Synthesiser decks will get their Synthesiser seized rather than a random affinity creature

[@BaldurtheImpious]

The thumbnail has me dying. Peak meme material. Very hyped for MH3.

[@casually_lurking]

Kudo & Ayula are amazing tech together for Duskana. Bear tribal who spreads the love is a wonderful in my opinion.

[@Zarbon000]

They need the cards to be crazy powerful for us to keep buying at these outrageous prices. So… Free Spells.

[@danielgoldberg2129]

Funny thing about Final Act is that it doesn’t remove your poison counters, just your opponents.😂

[@Thoughtmage100]

I'm just sitting here admiring the new Goyf support.

[@aclevername7613]

That is part of the set I like as well. The eldrazi and colorless bs are the worst so far.

[@shawnpanzegraf5642]

Yeah, except for Urza’s Cave, I don’t think anything except Swarmagoyf and to a lesser extent Tarmagoyf Nest has interested me about MH3 at all. Pile of Eldrazi crap, /yawn.

[@thefinalboss4471]

Someone tell Ugin to stop building things

[@atlys258]

Criminally underliked comment 💀💀💀

[@epthopper]

I’m pretty low on the “free” Counterspell. It’s not really free, because you have to spend mana on the creature. I think it’s awful in Delver style tempo decks since the pressure from your few creatures is so important, Merfolk might like it though. The place I think it could be abused is Dredge. Narcomoeba and Prized Amalgam both sac to it, and those you DO effectively get for free.

[@d_andrews]

It might not be free overall, but it's free on the turn you cast it and that's what matters. It means you can be tapped out without being "shields down" and still have that crucial counter against a combo deck, for example

[@johnp2921]

​@@d_andrews also pretty good with snapcaster

[@Unyubaby]

I think Kudo's biggest impact would be against Eldrazi itself. Turning all those giant P/Ts into bear levels means you save on squirrels.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

and there's a certain subsection of gay players who want a "bear" commander... and this delivers.

[@J-Martijn]

Some guy named Vince in Hellstorm Wargaming's Discord told me I should watch this. So here I am.

[@slade-runner6773]

Final Act's last mode will also hit cards with counters in exile also, so it can speed up suspend cards, and also can stop certain cards that are held in exile with a special token connect to a creature's ability on the battlefield

[@MusicoftheDamned]

Are you sure about that? Because the way the last mode of Final Act is worded it only affects counters "on" your opponents rather than also cards that they own or control. So suspend cards shouldn't be affected at all.

[@slade-runner6773]

@@MusicoftheDamned On second read, yeah you're right.... Damn, my imagination got the best of me

[@Theorak]

I like that there seems to be some answers printed alongside as well, non-basic stax and multicolor counter seems relevant whenever one of those is pushed too much. Just excited to try out Kappa Cannoneer in my budget Affinity Modern deck. Ugin's Labyrinth is just cracked. Urza's Cave is also good enough for mono Commander decks that always want Nykthos.

[@ragnar3434]

Winter moon should be common. Shit, put it in the basic land slot. $3000 mana base go absolutely to hell

[@robertk1834]

some cards are better than others, therefore more sought after. deal with it.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

Sorry man, your gonna have to spend 80 trillion dollars on cards that exist soley to make your manabase less interesting

[@pauldefillippo8490]

Turning everything into 2/2 bears can be all upside in a Hydra deck where all of your creatures start off as 0/0 and have counters put on them. So it's more of a buff piece for hydra decks while kneecapping all of your opponent's creatures down to 2/2s

[@Silentpoppy]

kudo combos with elesh norn lul...urza's cave being able to find inventors fair in my artifact edh decks is pretty dope.

[@ServbotNumba40]

Its funny the ETB on Cthonian Nightmare could have been anything to fix Recurring Nightmare. It just needs to exist. What made RN hard to interact with was the fact that as soon as it resolved you could activate it and to prevent your opponent from interacting and getting the effect off. The ETB gives the table a round of priority before allowing the owner to activate. Kinda silly.

[@monkaeyes]

I mean yeah, this response to leaks is better than sending the pinkertons.

[@slowlylosingitaaaaaa]

ancient tomb in modern aint no way

[@Red_Mag3]

And it can keep an Ugin warm for your tron deck

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

all fast mana gets banned in modern. if opal was worth banning so is this. so it shouldn't be a problem.

[@slowlylosingitaaaaaa]

clueless

[@thelegendarysolocard]

Yes the return of locus lands

[@MrPiotrV]

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 it shouldn't be a problem? IF it gets banned, and it will still be a problem while legal. also, printing stuff just to get it banned a few months later IS a problem.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

Winter Orb going straight into my mono white commander deck

[@MissingNovice]

To be fair, the commander cards WEREN'T supposed to be mixed in with the main set spoilers. Thats kinda the whole thing with the leak. As you said it messes with their ability to curate the information coming out in a way that better makes sense to the players.

[@SkyFire2112]

But why is there a commander product at all? It’s a modern set

[@MissingNovice]

@@SkyFire2112 Why have commander product come out with standard sets? They're standard sets. Wether or not tying a commander product to each set release is a good thing is sort of its own topic of discussion, but at this point it'd be weird if Modern Horizons DIDN'T have commander decks given even Double Masters had them.

[@ich3730]

@@MissingNovice Double masters did not have commander precons

[@MissingNovice]

@@ich3730 Ah wait you're right. Got em mixed up with commander masters. Still with how they're pushing commander I dont find it surprising that they're releasing decks for this. I will admit putting 'modern' in the title is a -little- confusing but not terribly so. Its well known that commander products aren't legal like the main set things are.

[@apeofjustice7109]

One of my favourite plays with Orims Chant when playing my Parfait deck in legacy a few years ago against an enchantress opponent was to target myself if the opponent has Hexproof, and it still turns off any attackers, since its not target players creatures can't attack, but all creatures in general

[@de245733]

20post is comming boys! Is it gonna be good? Prob not But its gonna be pretty funny

[@frankieh]

Wizards: Ward is too strong. Wizards: Have Kappa Cannoneer in Modern.

[@Muscari]

Content creators should ask to be compensated for previewing cards for WotC since they’re advertising their product.

[@chartreux1532]

@Muscari I think most Creators are happy enough to get the KZbin Views and Engagement from spoiling a Card exclusively and let's be realistic. As much as i support this and think WotC should support their Community Content Creators more, i also think WotC isn't like what it was in the early 2000s. They basically don't even need any Content Creators to preview their Cards as most People enjoying these Previews don't care where they come from in the End. Definitely would have been a great Thing back in 2000-2010. Nowadays everyone knows where to check for new Cards and Sets and don't need to rely on Content Creators.

[@johnathanreynolds1108]

​@@chartreux1532 right! I come to watch Vincent for his personal takes/reactions, but I already know most of the spoiled cards beforehand.

[@chartreux1532]

@@johnathanreynolds1108 Exactly the same for me, i check and read the Cards myself and then check what other MTG Players think, whether SaffronOlive or PleasantKenobi etc

[@continuechaos]

It's already a mutually beneficial arrangement. Wotc gets free advertising, and the streamers get some extra engagement from the folks who get their spoilers that way.

[@mikelizard3730]

The sure fire way for WOtC to stop giving out previews lol.

[@aurorahrndt]

21:28 Just built a Dimir Aristocrats deck, saw this spoiler, and immediately said this was going in it.

[@erkshcr]

phone cameras can put a hidden little code in your picture to identify who took it, people could blur the image afterwards for safety

[@anthonydelfino6171]

you can scrub/change the meta data without destroying the quality of the image, we do something similar all the time at my work

[@erkshcr]

@@anthonydelfino6171 it's not the meta data, they put random 1 off pixels around the picture that gives it an identifier. kind of like a proprietary qr code

[@Moshladaan]

I was a bit concerned about Ugin's Labyrinth, but then I remember that Amulet Titan is a deck. It is nice little perk that Karn can retrieve any 7 mana artifact that may have been exiled with this land. Side note #1: I forgot about the conditions of "Not of this World". This seems like it could be REALLY good with Murktide Regent. Side note #2: I hope we get Hymn to Tourach or a version that makes them only discard one card at random, but with rebound.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

19:40 they already showed off Scurry of Gremlins as an uncommon in the main set that makes energy, so I think we're going to see it as a draft theme for the set

[@PleasantKenobi]

Oh shit. Of course! Good point.

[@PraiseTheToaster]

That winter moon will find a good place in my mono green commander deck! :D

[@kellvas]

Wight of the Reliquary pairs favorably with Bloodghast. You get your ghast back immediately.

[@jonathankelley6035]

All is Dust under Ugin's Labyrinth has got to be the most hilarious flex ever.

[@PleasantKenobi]

You get it back later. :|

[@namisue7293]

Im confused. How do urza lands that arent the core three help assemble tron?

[@wellwellwelp]

From the way “winter moon” is worded, it implies that only that single nonbasic land may be untapped, not anything else like any of your creatures or basic mana

[@PleasantKenobi]

no

[@Tyke-Myson]

I'm really, really high on funni Emerge dragon. I'm for sure building him in Commander, but I also think there might be some legs there for a super fun modern deck.

[@ashtongaskill3980]

Looking forward to your Problem with Horizons thoughts. These sets are hype to see previewed and fun to draft (if you can fire drafts at that price point) but the historical effects on constructed formats is a dark spectrum over preview seasons now.

[@robertomacetti7069]

one land tron ladies and gentlemen i... have feelings on this

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

one if the coolest cards printed. tron is too hard to assemble in commander.

[@robertomacetti7069]

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 in commander sure, i completely agree in legacy is kinda bonkers and thank god (that's hilarious) is not legal in modern

[@RBGolbat]

FWIW, Rangeling doesn’t really work because of the following rule: “305.7 If an effect sets a land’s subtype to one or more of the basic land types, the land no longer has its old land type. It loses all abilities generated from its rules text, its old land types, and any copiable effects affecting that land, and it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type.”

[@Dr_shooty]

I mean, this is kinda pointless as 1, they'd just make rangeling work if the actually printed it, 2 that only applies to type setting effects that don't include other types otherwise yavimya and urborg wouldn't function

[@RBGolbat]

They also said it would require changing majorly how type-changing effects interact with basic land types which would’ve been a big hurdle to jump, and that it could make Nearby Planet too good in eternal formats, so it wasn’t worth the effort to make it work in the rules. Also, Urborg and Yavimaya specify “in addition to its other types.”, which is how they’re able to work without turning themselves off.

[@connorhamilton5707]

​@@RBGolbat​ Rangeling really wouldn't be that difficult to change so that it works in the rules. The real question was should they even bother, and the answer was no, because it could easily make Nearby Planet one of the most powerful lands printed.

[@tom.prince]

Also, I think Nearby Planet is close enough to exhausting the design space for rangeling that changing the rules to support it isnt worth it.

[@sandwichboy1268]

planar nexus is going straight into my Kozilek, the Great Distortion deck.

[@Voyajer.]

Final act should have nuked emblems instead of counters

[@PleasantKenobi]

That would have been interesting.

[@egoalter1276]

You can never leave "eefinitely uninteractable this time, I swear" actually uninteractable fir too long, now can you.

[@CDShap]

The Each opponent loses all counters makes me wonder if we will see the experience mechanic make a return in the commander decks.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

the legends for the decks got leaked, and so far the answer there is no, unless it's on one of the alternative commanders. likely in it's own eco system, it just messes with the energy deck

[@Cybershroom]

When I look at Ugin's Labyrinth, all I see is a Anicent Tomb with upsides for artifact players.

[@LunarWingCloud]

Gotta love how we're wrapping back around to Moxen-type cards again with the new Ugin land. Yes. I know it's narrow. Yes, I know it's a land drop and not an artifact. Please don't get all "um actually 🤓☝️" in the replies. It just feels insteresting we can accelerate mana by pitching cards in any capacity with new cards in 2024.

[@tikamajere316]

I love to see these bits and pieces of Alara!!!

[@daemonslayer59able]

Would this even be considered power creep? More like power-ambush! Love you and your content Pk thanks!

[@Moosetattchio]

orim's chant + Isochron Scepter *VOMITS*

[@Zarbon000]

The extended power house is back. But it’s been legal in legacy forever and I don’t think it sees any play.

[@DAsrada]

Holy shit the Siege Gang Lieutenant can go into just, so many of my Aristocrats decks with Red in them.

[@seizan88]

A knight died and became vigilant for some reason. I hate how the Wright got vigilance. Instead of deathtouch. I mean, if you ask me, it didn't need a keyword. It even ramps you.

[@dissipation]

i do think null elemental blast could see play out side of colorless decks, plenty to decks play utility lands that could power it up

[@isvvc_]

That thumbnail is haunting

[@blizzfreak245]

Oh boy, can't wait for Eldrazi Summer where the only decks duking it out are Eldrazi and Affinity again lol

[@Zarbon000]

Where is Uro still legal!?

[@crondog]

I like how the dog doesn't have the classic race/class typing. It's just dog. He's just a guy.

[@SaltySparrow]

Mono blue Affinity with Kappa, Counter backup and Null blast will be fantastic

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Doesn't Urza's Cave not interact with Tron because it's type is cave not mine/tower/power-plant? which is what those lands require? so you could find a tron land but it itself is not a tron land? idk i dont play that trash, but that's what the text is telling me? but maybe reading the card doesn't explain the card as is sometimes the case

[@MtnDewVoltage456]

Grief with the 1 mana black spell I believe it's from wilds of eldraine that brings the monster back feels bad to play against

[@egoalter1276]

Not Dead Afterall, and its a terrible interaction.

[@StayNPlayGames]

Because Planar Nexus is all three Urza land types, wouldn't that mean you have six mana turn two if you play it and a tower? (Each tower taps for 3?)

[@Wrswest]

No, because the ability for Urza's Tower to add 3 is an ability of the Urza's Tower, the card, NOT an ability of Urza's Tower, the land sub-type. The Urza's lands are confusing because both the card names and the card subtypes are in fact exactly the same, but as far as the game's concerned these are two different things.

[@StayNPlayGames]

@@Wrswest ah, that makes sense, my mistake. The Nexus would only tap for one as it's only the subtype but not an actual Urza land, therefore doesn't have the abilities that add multiple colourless.

[@egoalter1276]

Are we sure? Basics get their mana abilities from the subtype. Do nonbasiscs explicitly not? This needs a rulws qualification probably.

[@Wrswest]

@@egoalter1276 They do not. I can't explain why this is the case, but if it were the case that the land ability was of the nonbasic subtype instead of just the card itself, then the tap ability for the Urza lands would be reminder text (reminder text is italicized text in parenthesis that explains rules you already know.) instead of rules text.

[@egoalter1276]

@@Wrswest Im not questioning that that si the correct description of how the mechanic works currently, but it is not explicitly stated in rules, however basic types granting the corresponding mana ability is explicit. So a disambugation is required if you are going to make cards that change nonbasic subtypes.

[@DiabloTommaso]

So I m brewing an eldrazi deck. Gemston cavern and eldrazi temple is alredy pretty dumb. Now we got a 2 mana land with no downsides? And can produce 1 mana anyway? Why?

[@michaelklixbullfreund6068]

Dosn't final act remove All experince country as well.? Which to me seems quite strong. But I might be wrong😁

[@RollingCalf]

The bear does the enemies creatures too

[@spikysmoothness]

Annihilator is fine if it stays below 5. Anything more is absolutely suffocating, especially if you can't win off of it somehow.

[@TehFoamy]

If I were to play Orim's Chant in Modern, I'd probably play it in some kind of artifact-based toolbox deck with Isochron Scepter, Thopter-Sword, and Tribute Mage I'd then go 1-3 drop

[@MrScourge42]

Chthonian Nightmare + Name Sticker Goblin + Agent of Stromgald = Pure Janky goodness.

[@Cy8erTron1x]

Kudo has great synergy with Duskana, that naya legendary bear released in MKM.

[@JoelBurger]

While I don't doubt that some leaks like this are manufactured, don't underestimate people's inability to take a picture. Just look at any given Japanese locals results and you'll see what kind of glare-filled blurry 144p pictures people are still able to take nowadays.

[@zlink88]

I'm so stoked for the lil doggy

[@Brennows]

Wasteland on ugin's labyrinth is so backbreaking it might make it unplayable in legacy

[@PleasantKenobi]

Very fair. The two for one is brutal. Hoping to Ghost Quarter some people in Modern on. :F

[@thefallenlime]

I like the idea of Phelia in an Isshin deck.

[@KingBrachion92]

Spawn-Gang Commander only squirting out tokens on cast makes it slightly less appealing since it doesn't work with stuff like Moggcatcher or Kiki-Jiki (and that's probably exactly why it doesn't), but S-G Lieutenant may find its way into Purphoros.

[@PleasantKenobi]

Most importantly, it's not broken with Eldrazi Displacer. That was probably intentional.

[@kindredspirit9703]

I think having one free counterspell in a format is borderline a good thing as a safety valve for "unfair" combo decks that I like to play. Arguably Flare of Denial is an improvement from the BS they did with evoke elementals because you have to actually commit resources to the board (and therefore probably spend mana) to have it available to free cast. However, increasing the pool of free spells like this is going to have lasting consequences on Modern, like how the Flare cycle interacts with the evoke elementals

[@homebrewed]

Maybe Safekeeper in a Slickshot RG deck, it's notabley a wizard to turn on Wiz Lightning

[@ScottKDrums]

Flare of Denial works the way you want with Kess :)

[@cloudmane4159]

Ugins labrynth is sick in show and tell

[@johngleeman8347]

I love Kenobi saying a card is cracked.

[@brokevenger3867]

That thumbnail is terrifying

[@stevenkirton6373]

They should make more cards like the "pact" cycle, it was fair because it was like a mana loan and if you didnt pay you lost and it never feels annoying to get hit with

[@pbjdelight2429]

12 post is back baby, maybe we got 16 post now !!

[@jadegrace1312]

I think when evaluating Phelia you should probably think less about commander and more about other formats where attacking and marginal value are more relevant (I'm thinking mostly about cube). I think in those environments Phelia will be very, very strong already, so I wouldn't necessarily want them to push it more.

[@michaelsimmons8613]

The dog plays fetch! How can you not love that!