What the hell is going on?

Sheoldred is about to challenge even the most infamous Jace's when it comes to their prices whilst still in Standard.
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[@Beelzebubster]

Just a clarification, Sheoldred is in 5% of all decks on that can play the card on EDHREC not 0.2%, I think that percentage refers to the number of commander decks on the site helmed by Sheoldred as the commander.

[@patrickcreamer6791]

bumping for visibility

[@daftwulli6145]

And it is not just edh, i have seen her in legacy, vintage, and i am assuming she is aklso in modern. And isn´t she also still in standard ??

[@jesseknorr8037]

​@@daftwulli6145Yes she's in standard

[@jamescooley5241]

@@daftwulli6145 lol yes she's been dominating standard since release.

[@megapussi]

@@daftwulli6145 we know, watch the video.

[@FelinGreenleaf]

If only we had SETs that re-printed CORE cards I bet they could come up with a pretty good name for it even

[@koolaiddude7685894]

Would be dope if they did this yearly too. Oh well

[@lithiumwhiskey1891]

They’d charge an assload, especially if every card in the set was truly desirable.

[@Hornet-bz4xg]

​@@lithiumwhiskey1891Miss

[@nobodyimportant72]

@@lithiumwhiskey1891 It'd be nice if they were at least functional although "desirable" is a loaded description.

[@mvdplas8145]

Too bad people didn't appreciated CORE sets. And sets with chase rares and mythic sell.

[@fiascothe63rd]

That point about how staples should be relatively cheap with the bling being the expensive part really hits home when the Pokémon decks that win tournaments are usually under the price of a single Sheoldred

[@jplxlabelle1681]

Yes, but that's because Pokemon is a terrible game. Even 90% of all pokemon collectors don't play the game at all. That's a sad fact. Pokemon is not fun to play, and the price reflects that.

[@Garl_Vinland]

If you're telling me everyone should have access to the best cards in magic for a penny, I've got a better offer. Bann those cards in competitive matches. Then they'll be available for a penny for the casuals to play fantasy matches with.

[@Zipperheaddttl]

​@@Garl_Vinlandthere should be common versions of every card, and then alt art, borders whatever for rarity

[@Garl_Vinland]

@@Zipperheaddttl The reason why Magic is so fun is the disparity in card power level to your opponent's. It's literally the reason why bad cards exist, otherwise, why even make decks? Why doesn't everyone just play with a 60 card deck that consists of all the same cards as each opponent? The thrill of beating a dude with a wallet deck, using only commons and bulk rares because you synergized your deck better is unmatched.

[@jakegunning61]

​@@jplxlabelle1681it is actually pretty fun it's just different from magic

[@AlienCowThatMoos]

I cracked a Jace in Worldwake, just before I dropped out of the game for a while. I came back in Return to Ravnica and traded my Jace for 16 shocklands. Best trade I ever made. Those shocks have been in my decks for more than a decade now and they will still be for decades to come.

[@jacob510]

And now Jace is 18$ what a deal you got my friend

[@Garl_Vinland]

Flash forward to 2065 when purple lands are the meta and the shocklands are useless

[@jacob510]

@Garl_Vinland I read this thinking about the purple rarest from Time Shift, and ya I think it may take WotC a good 40 more years till we see those return as a uber-ultra-mythic-rare with only 1 in ever 8 cases.

[@lequinow]

@@eatit8262 Now we wait and see who will bump the elk furry from that golden throne.

[@andresvelazquez5922]

​@@Garl_Vinlandoh yeah? Just how dual lands from 1992 are useless compared to any lands we have right now in 2024?

[@jandrem]

I pulled a Sheo from a Jump Start pack. There’s a joke in there somewhere about product value, lol.

[@cjh.1920]

Got 2 The One Ring and an Orcish Bowmasters in a lotr jumpstart vol.2. All my luck might be spent tho.

[@crppledizzle9374]

@@cjh.1920 you ain't ever gettin lucky ever again

[@OmarElMossalamy]

Funny story, we live stream and during pre-release sales we had cracked 6 sheoldreds, at the time it was presaging for $32, we offered them at $28. A customer came in and attacked us about predatory pricing based off tcg low for pre. I explained that it’s a risk for both parties and no one has to buy during presale. That same customer came back a week later asked if we still had copies at the $28. We didn’t they had all sold and the card had spiked to $45-$48 by that time

[@honestabe411]

Those are the kind of customers you don’t need 😂

[@kwagmeijer26]

While it is true that mythics only showed up in about 1 in every 8 or 9 packs, there are 1/4 as many mythics as rares, meaning any specific mythic is only half as likely to show up as a specific rare (assuming the distribution rares and mythics is balanced)

[@pistolpete7422]

Which assuming that is likely wrong, but WOTC never published that since it’s an obvious way to price control chase rares.

[@artemiskearney8019]

This is in fact how it works, they print a sheet with 2x of every rare and 1x of every mythic, then put a random card from that sheet in each pack.

[@jadegrace1312]

​@@pistolpete7422I mean they give out uncut sheets

[@pistolpete7422]

@@jadegrace1312 if you think the public has been granted access to the exact distribution of each card within an entire set’s print run, you’re lying to yourself. OP mentioned assuming a balanced number printed of any specific mythic (# Sheoldred printed = number of all other mythics)

[@kingfuzzy2]

one of my best friends opened 2 1/2 boxes worth of packs froma chase set without hitting a single mythic or $$ card . so im more likely to believe they are more of a high roll than most would believe.

[@TheDartrunner]

Meathook Massacre is banned in standard, has been since October 2022.

[@comatose68]

I remember when Liliana of the Veil was $90. Crazy times.

[@richardsmith9615]

Yeah, I couldn't believe it when I managed to pick up two lili's for £20 recently.

[@Noatzon]

The Sheoldred "fatigue" you talk about with it being in standard for another year reminds me a whole lot of Gideon, Ally of Zendikar. Exact same thing with them chaning their mind and it suddenly staying a lot longer than players where expecting. Also a powerhouse at the time.

[@Enja_Near]

DOM wasn't gonna rotate before the rotation announcement.

[@johnathanreynolds1108]

She has two years left in standard

[@zacharythorp6095]

I remember that. It was they "you can play Battle for Zenikar cards for another year!". The player base was like "dudes, we moved on from that set a year ago. It's only the two cards in there we care about" (Gideon and Nissa). That said, I'm glad that they have extended standard because Kamigawa and New Capenna were effing amazing (Innistrad was decently made too, but it was just a revisit).

[@CaptainUrielVentris7]

I was really pleased to get sheoldred in prerelease, I knew it was good but it really didnt strike me as format crushing. Its so wild that with no ETB or death trigger or self protection she has such influence.

[@VydeoGramesJunk]

She punishes the most important thing in MTG, card draw. It's a killer against control and can be a finisher even for decks that don't care about drawing cards by chipping damage slowly on their draw step. It's honestly too good.

[@gabbathehut3235]

Even if you don't abuse the ability, it's a 4 life swing per turn without having to even go to combat...

[@fabulousampharos9347]

her protection effect is having 5 toughness and 4 MV.

[@CaptainUrielVentris7]

@@gabbathehut3235 I get what's good about her, but the heuristics we tend to use would usually disregard her.

[@Garl_Vinland]

You never want to block it in combat, punishes card draw or even just playing the game normally, and she kind of wants you to play removal on her so your opponent can play bigger effects. She’s like a walking land mine.

[@imanujakku]

I think the weakness of DMU overall financially is what drives the price. It’s like the ancient copper dragon from CLBG. A box costs X and if only one card is desirable that card takes on a disproportionate value to compensate.

[@lichdust]

a flyer that can shit treasure like diarrhea is attractive to any commander player with money

[@Djm939]

@@lichdustespecially when it’s a dragon 😂

[@shaedeymamlas5496]

Yugioh also has this issue, if there is a great card in a garbage set, the resellers NEED to make their profit back from the set, and, well, if like 2 cards in the set are playable, those two cards are gonna be expensive as hell if they are staples

[@ruecianbeoulve7770]

@@lichdust TL;DR: Ancient Copper Dragon isn't best in slot and perhaps might not even make the cut sometimes in my experience. So it's price is largely scarcity. ACD is impressive but honestly as a long time Dragon Typal player it's not all that great in today's standard of power. Has to have Haste AND connect with an opponent to get it's; while powerful, still random reward the turn it is cast, and most solid commander cards at 4MV+ do something the turn you cast them. Old Knawbone and Klauth were both doing it's role better at a much lower price and now we have Cavern-Hoard Dragon which is also usually just better unless you get real unlucky with a low artifact board. Even Goldspan Dragon might edge it out depending on the mana curve and how many haste enabling effects you're running in the deck since it's lower MV, comes with haste, and guarantees value on attack. often when a player mentions how overpriced it is i tell them to focus on getting other probably better options first and by the time you have a handful of treasure making dragons you need dragons that do other stuff anyways. Or if i still have enough i give them the Art card and tell them it can't get more full-art than that, plus it has the name on the back if anybody doesn't recognize it.

[@gegachxiswulisso9758]

I think one point you missed would be the availability of Dominaria United. DomU sold... OK. It didn't flop, but there's a lot of sealed product still out there on sites and LGS shelves. When I decided I wanted a Sheoldred for myself, instead of buying it for $95, I bought a Set Booster box off TCG for $95 and just took the gamble. It payed off for me, but that obviously isn't gonna happen for everyone. Players seem to have blinders on when they buy packs. Murders and DomU cost the same still, but the new hype is all that matters. There's probably thousands of Sheoldreds out there still sealed in packs.

[@kraye0789]

We are approaching Jace the wallet sculptor levels again eh

[@Str1ker1000]

I got a sheoldred out of a pity promo pack at my local draft night so I guess you could say at the end I really won, even though I lost all my games. Lol

[@sampletext945]

I pulled a Sheoldred from a DMU pack a while ago and had no idea how expensive it was until I looked it up lmao, it is a really good card the first time I played it with my friends I got swords to plowsharesed immediately lol.

[@pytawidmo]

I was waiting to buy Sheoldred after it rotates out of standard. And then the 3 year rotation news dropped, fml.

[@kadavercade3597]

Same, the pain is real. Fuck.

[@_TicTacJoe]

I remember dropping $25 per copy of sphinx's rev and thinking "gods, this is outrageous for a standard deck" - how times have changed.

[@pytawidmo]

Mythic rarity is silently one of the biggest 'sins' of Magic design and I feel that this does not get talked about enough.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Mythics should have been removed aged ago. Rares push demand for packs, lands and other staples are proof of that.

[@NightfallGemini]

@@JohnFromAccounting but keeping hot mythics in demand drives sellers to buy more product to crack to fill the case/online orders/whatever, right from the start. it lets hasbro take another pound of flesh. the occasional pack-busting whale isn't the target, it's shops.

[@travistea]

Honestly if you want cards to be MTG cards to be cheap then new product must be cheap to buy, which it's not.

[@heliobarbosa3525]

One of my longest breaks from MTG was when Mythics were announced. MaRo said something something not staples, I obviously didn't believe him because I'm not stupid and there you go - things like Cavern of Souls, Cyclonic Rift and Sheoldred, the midrange beast are Mythics. Sheoldred could be a case of "main character", but some upshifts to mythic, like cyclonic rift, are proof they were lying on Mythic rarity announcement. And they got away with it...

[@jordanrodrigues1279]

This MaRo quote? "We want the flavor of mythic rare to be something that feels very special and unique. Generally speaking we expect that to mean cards like Planeswalkers, most legends, and epic-feeling creatures and spells. They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards." Today's chase cards are why I no longer play Magic, recommend people stay away from Magic, and choose to avoid watching Magic. Mythic rarity isn't required to create an environment of chase cards but it sure doesn't hurt, and the last straw that inspired me to quit was the decision to not ban Seolly Apoc, no, instead here's another year of a $80+ chase card in Standard.

[@levirynearson5800]

I would expect the reprint to occur after standard rotation. If they reprint it now then price tanks and the market is flooded with sheoldred. If they do it after standard rotation, then they know how much demand there is for the card without standard and can reprint an appropriate amount.

[@Marcosomos]

Challenger decks, standard and Pionner, that could help.

[@itallianstallion1989]

Another marvellous vid One Take Kenobi!

[@obsidiancrow450]

as someone who started playing during khans of tarkir the idea they printed a better siege rhino is insane

[@HauntedCorpseGaming]

I actually pulled a Sheoldred from one of those 3 card promo packs during a Commander Game Night last week. :D

[@crppledizzle9374]

had a guy get a foil one a few weeks ago

[@JackTR21]

I get why they removed the 3 block sets but I do miss blocks in general. One of the things that keeps my out of getting back into standard is I find it difficult to know what sets are even in the damn format. I had no idea Dominaria United was still in standard and honestly it feels like it's been in standard for a damned eternity

[@thomasbickerdike5753]

I was competing in Mythic rank a couple of seasons ago with a Selesnya blink homebrew. I wanted to go and play it in paper as I missed the physical playing of my Netrunner days. I priced it up and it came to over $600... It's safe to say I will never play standard in paper.

[@dks6515]

I am a Mono-Black player, every deck that runs black in every format plays shelly. It sucks that i'm priced out of playing mono-black because of the price of shelly (and bowmasters a bit aswel). Guess for mono-black it's pauper for now :/

[@geoffnaggie961]

Play something else?

[@spazz351]

@@geoffnaggie961 so people without huge amounts of disposable income should just play crappy decks they don't enjoy. Got it.

[@eewweeppkk]

You could just not run it? If you're worried about being competitive in mono-black commander aren't you already spending over a thousand?

[@Garl_Vinland]

Have you tried, not running the best cards in their colors and playing cool and fun cards instead?

[@themoops4006]

play commander you don't need either of those cards to play mono-black competitively in that format

[@chrischecketts2464]

I made my first standard deck during the shards of alara/worldwake era. It was based on ajani vengeant and I was very proud of it. Took it to a standard event and every opponent I played against walked all over me with their 4-of Jace decks. I didn't play magic again until over 10 years later.

[@St33ldancer]

That sheoldred promo i got from my LGS for showinf up is really going stonks

[@Tuss36]

One thing about reprints is that it takes about 2 years for them to design sets. Even assuming the turnaround time for an already existing card is much shorter, let's say just 1 year to get it into a product and get it printed and onto shelves, that's still basically getting printed by the time rotation happens (might be less of a problem now with longer rotation, but it's still 2+ years of a crazy expensive card). So while it'd be great to get more copies out there for Standard, it's just extremely difficult. This is on top of how they're actually technically still selling the cards, as they continue to produce standard sets for as long as they're in rotation. You can still buy boxes that have the chance of pulling Sheoldred. Just no one wants to 'cause it's the only card they want, so they'd rather it in a new set with new cards along with it, or a reprint set that has other things they might want to pull. Just a really weird scenario we have as customers where even though the company is selling it, they aren't selling it in a way we really buy it.

[@deejay.zedemex]

I hate brewing for Pioneer with anything including black mana and constantly feeling like it would always be correct to take something out for Sheoldred.

[@NocturnalAquarist]

Just like the Mindsculptor standard they didn't actually test anything or look at what cards were also out. They're well aware of the 2ndary market and have always used that as a gauge to see how well sets/products would sell. Once she rotates out of standard, give it a yearish and she'll get some reprints to capitalize on the fomo of "oh shit that card was strong af in standard!"

[@christophermartin1315]

Hey, I wore that shirt today too!

[@melkiah]

Man I remember when phyrexian tyranny was a Grixis combo dream (using obstinate familiar to skip my draws and burning them out with prosperity)for me that I just couldn't get to work reliably. Now 20 years later sheoldred just exists, does similar and more in mono black. Man magic has come a long way

[@gigantomastiaCuddler]

Sheoldred (pronounced shoal dread) doesn't see play in any midrange deck in Vintage. It's sometimes a sideboard card in Doomsday decks, and sometimes people have Scam brews, but it's NEVER played in Midrange because Lurrus exists.

[@nathanmcginty7245]

Most legendary pack I've opened to date was a Lillian of the Veil with Sheoldred the Apocalypse in the foil slot. Saw the black mythic and got excited for Sheoldred, got sad when it was Liliana, then lost my mind when I saw the Sheoldred behind it.

[@coreysierchio4650]

I play physical casual EDH once a week with a group at a local biergarten. We welcome proxies & all power levels. I tell people, "Play what makes you happy." I play daily on Arena since I've made an account in September 2020. Arena gives me that "Build your collection for playing" feeling. *Thanks for the Content!*

[@thestralspirit]

I thought that many reanimator shells run sheoldred as a sideboard juke

[@WyrmsOfWonder]

I've been trying to collect phyrexian text cards and Sheoldred is such a big gap in my collection, but she goes for about as much as the rest of what I have combined, it's driving me nuts

[@benjamingillispie5614]

I feel your pain my dude. I used to have a collection of legendary creatures that started from urza's legacy till new capenna and I had to sell then from being homeless. And starting over again, seeing the prices of a lot of cards that I used to hurts

[@PlattyGems]

Unfortunately, gotta wait for reprint or set rotation 💀

[@WyrmsOfWonder]

unless they do another secret layer of phyrexian text cards, I'm not holding my breath. Mayhbe the price would go down a bit@@PlattyGems

[@thelincolntheory6916]

Just a note on Gix; he was actually 4-6 dollars for a very long time. I picked up a playset of him back in November, then saw him jump up to $40 over the last 2 months

[@greglane334]

To quote MC Hammer: "Proxy time!"

[@lostmarble540]

I probably sound like a broken record here but I think this will always be a problem so long as loot boxes remain (basically) the only way folks can get cards

[@wavedash101]

Yeah, its working as intended.

[@ChaoticElegy]

It’s wild to me that governments have been going so hard on gambling while completely ignoring the blatant FOMO gambling scheme trading cards use. Everyone acts like TCGs are niche when dudes have worn cards around their necks at the biggest events in the country. One of the most popular artists spent over 2m on a card. Yet it’s too “niche” to be regulated.

[@stephenbarrett8861]

⁠@@ChaoticElegyglobal casino market estimated at $157 billion.

[@as95ms98]

There should be no base card that costs more than $5. I hope that this does get fixed and the special treatments get more rare while the regular versions get printed into the dirt, but it doesnt seem like WotC wants to do that....

[@marclaporte4850]

thank you for all the amazing content your in my top 5 mtg content creators 👍👍👌

[@PleasantKenobi]

Wow, thanks!

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

Sheoldred will be Reprinted this year in MH3 probably and it will drop to about 50$

[@anthonydelfino6171]

I'm not that optimistic. I think wizards had the set list planned out for that set well before Sheoldred hit this point, and her reprint will be in a much later set.

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

@@anthonydelfino6171 yes most likely not sure when though

[@canaantravis]

Anytime I’ve played against a deck with sheoldred in arena it asks “did you have fun in this match” at the end I think they’re collecting data for a potential ban…. Hopefully. 4 mana for a 4/5 with deathtouch AND the card draw shock and gain ability is just too good for standard

[@GrabnarDaCzar]

I just built a deck based around punishing opponents draws. Sheoldred is the strongest card i could possibly add to the deck, and I unfortunately had to cut it due to pricing. I will add it eventually when it goes down in price, either by rotation in a couple years or by reprint in some fashion. But sucks to not play it now.

[@user-os9ts6id1g]

I remember that on day 1 when my friend oppened 5 in his 3 boxes and didnt oppened a single Lily he offered me to trade, and i decide that 4 mana do nithing is a bad card for a long tearm. oh well(at that point both costed 20 eur)

[@johnathanrhoades7751]

One of the reasons I really only play standard on Arena. I don’t want to drop $3-600 on a deck that I will have to rework every 2-3 years and I would only be able to ever have one tier 1 standard deck at a time even if I did want to go that route. With Arena I can grind for a bit, drop $100 if that, and get a couple fun tier 1 decks to play around with.

[@sohpeeah3131]

sheoldred is also a common sideboard juke in legacy for combo dwcks that run dark ritual like doomsday and some storm builds as a way to beat combo hate

[@matteorossi1172]

They aren't ever gonna see this as a problem

[@getaloadofthisguycam]

i remember being a teen and selling vryn's prodigy for $25 at prerelease (thinking i was rich and a scam artist for getting so much for a card) and then checking the price a week later and it had gone to $60

[@ArtOfLosing]

Sheoldred is also like everyone's favorite praetor tbh

[@christopherreay3242]

Sheoldreds seemed to be littered in promo packs given to stores for a little while. I only opened one myself (I always have bad pulls) but I saw plenty pulled at my LGS

[@patrickcreamer6791]

Surprised you didn’t talk about Oko or Uro hitting $80 while in standard

[@fastydave]

Because it goes against his bogus narrative.

[@richardharrison4762]

Would love a Sheoldred for my Anji Falkenwrath Red Black Madness discard deck. Since I am drawing and wheeling often she would fit right in. Is it best to wait for her to rotate out of standard assuming the price will go down?

[@aytakk]

I bought a box of Dominaria United Jumpstart on sale for $70au and got lucky pulling a Sheoldred. But if I were to use her in Standard or Pioneer I would need at least 3 copies. So she sits in one of my Commander decks instead. What I don't like is how format warping Sheoldred is and as you say we are stuck with her until September 2025 in standard. But we are pretty much stuck with her in Pioneer forever. Which is not great as playing black you kind of need to play Sheoldred because she is that good and is a main deck hoser to many strategies. Plus if you play such strategies she is a must kill on sight card and you are forced into allocating deck and sideboard space just for that. I'm honestly surprised Sheoldred hasn't been banned yet. So for me playing anything black in Pioneer is pretty much out and anything black in Standard is a long term prospect for when she is gone. I agree she needs a reprinting somewhere like The List or maybe a Horizons or Masters set but nowhere that would extend her stay in Standard.

[@noworldforeric]

I will now forever refer to blue + Naya/Mardu/Jund as Moist Naya, Moist Jund, and Moist Mardu. Thanks man. Subbed.

[@PleasantKenobi]

Thanks for the sub!

[@waves1all1day1er1day]

“Sheoldred is ruining standard Sheoldred is the worst” “But please make her cheaper so everyone can have one”

[@weeklyworldviews432]

For a bit of context for people not playing back in 2011: Banning a card in Standard was not nearly as common as it is now. Before Jace, we had gone 6 years without a card being banned in standard.

[@Morphling92]

That was and is still a problem. They need to ban a lot more to make a meta fun and interesting.

[@geraldjacobs7824]

I have the cheap art card and just proxy it for my casual edh group, but it's the only card I need to complete my nekusar deck

[@DVS57REBEL]

Funny I played against nekusar last sat when sheoldred was on the stack I killed neku and shoeldred on my upkeep

[@tonsofsodium6641]

Boseiju, Who Endures continued the Kamigawa tradition of having meh to bad permanents in the set with a few exceptions but absolutely cracked lands.

[@jzanedesign]

Goldspan Dragon was a must have at one point keeping a $40 price tag once it was printed in the starter deck it dropped to 10. it now sits at about 20. Hopefully they do something similar to Sheoldred.

[@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey]

I had the jace vs chandra decks. I also popped liliana of the veil in a prerelease and someone offered there winnings and prerelease for her. I said no and those were my only 3 planeswalkers for a while

[@night8883]

I love Sheoldred and the Phyrexians.

[@TheCrowVarietyShow]

Mind Sculptor at one point hit $300. Could've been just the foil one, but I remember that price very well.

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

Yes sir

[@PleasantKenobi]

Foils, and out of Standard.

[@sirearlgrey2036]

The foil briefly went as high as $900. *Just* before the first reprint of it in FTV:20 was announced. I remember very clearly wondering if I should sell it or hold and see if it goes higher. It did not go higher, and the price never recovered after FTV:20.

[@CaesarShadowKnight]

I just built a Legacy Reanimator deck and the Sheoldred’s and Bowmasters are more than dual lands.

[@andrewv2533]

i hope it goes on the reserved list

[@no-name4u]

Ya the fact that sheoldred is very easy to deal with makes it strange that it's so expensive. At the same time it does say something to the fact that it's such a bomb that people run answers for sheoldred in their mains now haha.

[@terrabull1431]

I bought a standard Sheoldred card for my commander deck back when it was priced at $60 on TCG and every time I go to archive the deck it's in I cannot believe how much it has gone up. Its pretty much the most expensive card in the whole deck

[@harrisonyee671]

I don't play MTG or any TCG, but I enjoy the hell out of your videos

[@sloth9669]

It’s a great thing. Cards can’t only go down in value. They will reprint it at some point so relax everyone it will go down some.

[@homebrewed]

Great video and is 100% correct - event decks - pre builds - heck throw her on the list - it sure is difficult for Wizards to make the move to help the standard players and the promoters of their game versus the person that spent the ~400 bucks on 4 cards and would see it drop to 200 bucks in value etc etc but that could happen anyway if they make it less playable as well - if they were serious about revitalizing standard they need to do something in the extended rotation situation they setup

[@Bob-nc5hz]

A note on the walletslayer: it cost $50 ish circa late 2009. There's been ~40% of inflation since, so that's $70 in today moneys.

[@Jack-in-the-Mox]

It is crazy how often your best draw is just sheoldred card is cracked

[@bradleyhill8266]

Don't forget about Roaming Throne at 27.50 usd.

[@Helthurian]

I agree with the sentiment of this video. Sheoldred should be reprinted for sure and WOTC should target $40 as the high point for normal printings before a reprint is planned with the goal of normal prints being $30 or less. That way the sets are still desirable, but the cards are more accessible.

[@SilverStarAS]

Jace vryns prodigy ended up being more than $90. It def reached around $120

[@abbiemcdaniels3122]

The foil borderless pain lands are creeping up around 10 bucks too, and I feel like they’ll keep going

[@EbonAvatar]

0:53 I thought they called you "One-PUMP Kenobi," actually

[@blackiscolor7732]

Who would’ve thought in 2024 a “fair” card would be the one breaking everything

[@51gunner]

I think it's because she's just so generically good. What happens in every single game of Magic ever played? Players draw cards every turn and Sheoldred punishes your opponent's draws and rewards your own. Basically every deck tries to get more draws in somehow, and so Sheoldred scales up with how much that's happening. That's not even the whole story though, because she's got other stuff going for her in nearly every format. She actually gets to be above the 'vanilla test' toughness, making her harder to swing into, and Deathtouch means she always at least trades up. That fifth toughness puts her outside a lot of damage-based removal; she's too tough to Bolt in Modern, she's ever beyond stuff like Stoke the Flames in Standard. The 4-mana cost is a really key point to be at as well; most ramp/dorks in Standard are at 2, meaning on 3 you can ramp into her. In commander, some broken 1-mana ramp can put her out turn 2. For older formats, rituals can get you to 4 mana on 2. She's just a perfect monster of card design. I'm hoping she gets banned out of some formats, I hate cards that are basically "if you're in those colors, play the card, because it's always good".

[@Drakshl]

I think part of the issue is just that she is 1-3 copies in 12+% of decks in standard, pioneer AND Modern. She is strong enough that the black archetypes that want her want her in every format, which actually doesn't SEEM to be outrageously common with mythics. From what ive seen, most of the time if a card is getting printed into standard that is strong enough to see play in older formats as well, its usually not mythic, sometimes even common or uncommon. Cards that generate card advantage, are efficient answers or are otherwise not flashy but are cheap and are high "value" or very flexible, like expressive iteration, fatal push, ledger shredder, pick your poison. My best guess as to why this is is because these cards are printed as "toolbox" pieces designed to serve a function or be a "glue" in decks. They want them to be available enough that people will see them with consistency in limited and need a certain critical mass of these cards in standard at any one time in order for standard decks to "function". Occasionally, they will print one that is just slightly (in EI case exceedingly) better than the other options for that "slot" in the card pool in the past. Sometimes, they are only better against the types of things seen in older formats, and see more play in pioneer or modern than they do in standard. I tend to think that this is intentional, that wizards knows if they print a generic green removal piece that will go into the sideboard of almost every eternal format deck that plays green at mythic, then the price will be so high that it warps the limited experience and that it wont be accesible for use in standard. It seems like the mythics specifically are more like "build around" cards. They are supposed to be big center pieces, are often expensive but even if not are specifically designed to "push" certain standard archetypes. because these cards arent typically as powerful as what we see in older formats, are too expensive to be seriously playable in fair decks in modern, or dont have a game plan as powerful as what might work in modern, they are only as valuable as their play ability in Standard and pioneer to an extent allows. The difference with sheoldred is that she is SO pushed, so efficient and so much of a threat that she is pretty much the best thing you can do on turn 4 for almost every black heavy "fair" deck in every format. Cards at mythic rarirty are just not printed at the volume required to support heavy play in all formats. if statistically every FNM for every format has 1-2 people minimum running 1-3 copies of a mythic that is probably just too much demand. I guess what I am getting at, is when i read MOST mythics (not all certainly), I get the impression that they are being printed to "target" standard and maybe some Pioneer decks (or commander, but that is a seperate issue). These cards are intended to see play in the format they were designed for, but they arent trying to be "the best X ever printed" or "the only card that achieves Y ever printed". Sheoldred just happened to be one of the best black midrange cards ever printed AS WELL as a format warping bomb in standard.

[@christianroot6287]

it's another jace the mind sculptor, the prices will be really high for a bit but it'll stabilize with reprints later on

[@MrDreamblader]

Thats why proxies are a must

[@freakgoingunder]

the ideal you suggest is the one Pokémon has successfully established. Normal versions are pretty cheap in general, we are talking a couple bucks, barely any cards above $10 in Standard. But alternate arts for collectors go easily above 3 digits.

[@cygnusinfinity5126]

Wizards is really pushing in-person standard right now as well, with store championships now being mandated as standard

[@Arzheu]

another problem for cards like that in stadard, doesnt matter if they increase it's timespan in standard if they arent willing to reprint those desirable cards in the same format

[@GlazedGoose]

Meathook massacre is banned in standard so there are actual only 5 legal cards over $20

[@miketompkins2312]

Mentioning Meathook Massacre as a high price standard card, it's probably worth mentioning that it's banned there.

[@MCTimemaster]

sheodred be demb money I have a list of about 150 cards for a variety or commander decks that i need to pick up at some point. I ran MKM shopping wizard. Sheoldred was 10% of the total cost (including shipping across 20 sellers)

[@scottcampbell9515]

Is having more cards accessible due to how many are printed a good thing if those affordable cards are not powerful enough for tournaments?

[@JustRightPinedo]

I was in college when Baneslayer was in standard and remember just wishing I could have one but knowing I could not afford it when I had $300 to my name (ditto for goyf). It’s crazy that now a copy of Baneslayer is like $1.50 and I’m like “meh I don’t really have a deck that wants it.” Even pioneer prob too powerful to give it a home. JTMS was an insane card at the time… Sheoldred should be the power ceiling.

[@SwordOfLoser]

Sheoldred is actually a very special card for me. when I did my first draft ever it was in the first pack I opened. I went on to make a commander deck with the sole purpose of pissing off my friend with sheoldred as the commander. Ps I also opened another one up in a dominaria united jump start booster that adds a little bit to the specialness to it.

[@beecherry3943]

I got one when I did the prerelease for dominaria united, I really wish I didn’t sell it smh

[@mad_max21]

Turns out a hate card against multiple card draws is very good.

[@KingCtm]

I pulled a Jace in world wake, traded it at the time for 85 dollars worth of angles, but that's only after ulting someone with him lol

[@deelight6022]

You only really need the actual cards if you play sanctioned events or have interest in them as a collector (more power to you, foils of a card's first set hold good value) but there's nothing to stop you from proxying it when you play outside of this weirdness caused by secondary market abuse.

[@Randomguynumber3]

won a foil one from a FNM draft and haven't traded it in yet. lets keep that price high people

[@checkthenutz]

2:46 it’s not just the price. It’s that it’s such a dominating threat that once it hits the board it’s almost always gone. And if your pod doesn’t like salty cards(there’s a good number of pods that don’t like salty cards) then you’re probably less likely to play it.

[@MH-dn3jz]

Players: opening latest set. "Ugh cards are so cheap there's no value." Also players: "Ugh this good card is so expensive"