Someone revealing a card to me (giving me access to info the game state doesn’t intend me to have) feels very against the spirit of the rules, at least for me. I’ll take bluffing that you have something, but actually showing me a card feels too outside the spirit of the game. The best EDH games I’ve ever played did indeed involve politics but not in the very on-the-nose “let’s team up” explicitly spoken way, but in an implied, poker kind of way. In those games, everyone knows each other player is explicitly trying to win, therefore I know I can count on the three other players to make the most logical choice, even if that means deception and bluffing. It feels like chess or poker, where I’m trying to guess and outthink my opponent. I’ve also played games where it’s much more LARP-y and the very IRL power dynamics of personality, confidence, extroversion, and actual friendship dynamics dictate the game, and that style is just not for me.

I don't think they were lying at all, and I think negotiation is a fun part of commander gameplay. So I'd say NTA. But clearly the other person didn't enjoy the moment. Since it's a game where everyone should be having fun, and *now* they know the other person doesn't have fun in that way, they would be an asshole if they tried to pull the same type of thing with that person in the future.

That's so Wizards of the Coast, Annie!

The only time I pile shuffle is when I build a new deck and all the copies of the same card are together. I use a random amount of piles, never 4, and place them in what my brain calls as random as possible. I "mana weave" if i got all lands and do the same with any card if i pull all 4 copies. I usually just mash shuffle any of the previous games used cards into the library first thing. If any cards come out while shuffling, I weave them in and continue shuffling. All of these are for my own brain, nothing more. I always shuffle after all of these. I can not shuffle a commander deck very well, so i take the bottom 1/3 and shuffle into the middle and then the top 1/3. I do this until I believe it is as random as possible.

Not necessarily the asshole, but at least asshole-adjacent. Cheeky, if you will.

Not the asshole. Not only for semantics reasons, but because it was probably the right play anyway. Moreso, the other player should've secured an agreement.

Yeah, if you're gonna rules lawyer our deals and follow the letter instead of the spirit of deals made at the table, i'm just not gonna accept any deals with you. I'm here to play a game with a social aspect to it, not write legal drafts.

.....not all burritos have rice🤨

In my experience, honesty is always best. At my LGS players know I will make the best play to my ability. I don’t make spite plays and will attack or cast into removal. You can’t spend the whole game cowering to other players perceived threats.

I absolutely love monkeys paw deals. But I know that's not everyone's style! If I make deals with other members in my pod, I will lay out exactly what I want and will even tell them why I want it. Some of the time the honesty is enough for players in my pods to help me out even if it isn't inherently beneficial to them just so they can make an alliance. I also run all the cards like Secret Rendezvous and Humble Defector I can in my decks to assist in those deals being made.

Thanks, now I want to watch Redline again.

i have been WAITING for this question

Is it acceptable to lie about hidden information? E.g. "I don't have a board wipe in hand" when you do? Are the other player/s justified in never believing a word you say ever again? Bonus question: what if you add the word "promise" in there? My view is that you should be allowed to lie about hidden information, because otherwise all you can say to avoid revealing things you don't want to reveal is "I refuse to answer", which is boring as hell

The worst is when someone asks what is your O ring effect gonna target when it’s still on the stack. “I don’t know Josh, does it resolve?” Well that depends.. what’s it targeting? “Nothing yet, it’s still on the stack.. does it resolve?” Well are you coming after MY commander?? …

You all talk about the game when you play? Me and my friends talk about life and shit

Go to the gym

The political aspect has no hard and fast rulebook, it only matters what the other players think and whether your behaviour causes them to distrust you in the future or attack you because you pissed them off. It does not matter whether you technically kept your word, it doesnt even matter if you really did and everyone else is just being unreasonable. If the other players think you are untrustworthy or need to be punished it will have the same result no matter how right you think you were.

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commander 1 vs 1 is best for this. "i attack", "counter that"... straight to the point. I want to play magic, not among us

I think it's fine to be a bit tricksy but you can always change your mind if your group react badly to it. For example in this case. The person could have been like "I didn't say I wouldn't kill your commander if you didn't attack me" and then decide on how to go through with it based on the reaction. It also depends on what stage of the game you're in, if someone early game attacks with a flyer and they ask if you have flyers and you say no but block with a creature with reach. That's hilarious. If it's a game winning swing and they lose because of it, I can see why they'd get upset.

I think the actual play is just show player B the removal spell and don't say anything. Let them interpret it as they may

I feel like this sort of legalese is kind of on the line with what I'm comfortable with, the threat analysis reasoning makes it more palatable. I'm not a fan of using it myself as I know it's a feel bad. My politics usually revolves around how I treat other deals from other players. For threat analysis, I do have to say that I think some people I know have a philosophy that conflicts with mine. I've just build a Rev stealing deck, which often bricks if I'm stealing lands. But people are so against having any of their cards taken that my board is often targeted in much more modest states compared to something like a fully operational engine putting loads of value in play. The chances are also quite low to get the right relevant pieces. I have other decks that kind of need their own setup which is often targeted early while something like a green deck ramping hard is allowed to do its thing.

I have discovered that if everyone else gets to laugh at your scumbaggery and stretch the obvious betrayal behind enough convolutedness, you're not the asshole. Specially if the winning player or owner of the "groan inducing card last played" was the victim.

9:10 I had a game somewhat recently where a friend of mine wrote a “Contract” on a Google doc that he wanted me to sign. It was a goofy way to negotiate, but I was down for it to make a “sealing vow” He decided to, at the very bottom of the page, just out of sight without scrolling, and errata that allowed him to simply backtrack on it to kill me. Was I annoyed? Absolutely. Was it extremely funny anyways? Also absolutely, it was ridiculously wild and made that a memorable game

I like the distraction makers thumbnail

I've never had an issue with anyone saying "good game," even though the game was likely not perceived as "good" by each player. It's simply good sportsmanship, like saying "thanks for playing." However if someone says "good game, too easy" (and yes, I'm mainly referencing LoL here), that upsets me, as it's a contradictory statement. Just say "good game" or " too easy ." Either is okay enough on its own.

First Rule of Dealing With A Blue Mage. Dont Trust A Blue Mage. Second Rule of Dealing with A Blue Mage. Dont Trust A Blue Mage. Third Rule of Dealing With A Blue Mage. Keep An Eye On Their Resources.

I'm very coachy and honest, but there are many times I guide my group to a reckless, yet optimal in some ways, play that I dismantle immediately. Even so, I also guide through the combo that rocks my shit.

I absolutely hate people talking about what they might do or can do in a game as a deterrent. Just do what you’re going to do and let yours and other people’s choices play out

I have 0 interest in this set. If something is particularly neat for the decks I like I'll still do singles but thematically I'm checked out.

If your blatently honest wwith your interactions people stop questionsing weither your lying

Talking is also a tool used by experienced players to manipulate newer players into self-defeating actions. Not cool. I mean, it's a lesson, sure, but still.

I love when people threaten me in commander and i basically make the most hostile response to them the deck i am running can muster. Its def my favourite thing to do in commander. (Im not targeting them for the rest of the game per say but just to screw them over for a turn or two.)

I just don't make deals in commander. I'll agree if something is a problem, but i won't promise anything. One of the best tools of any card game is knowing what my intensions are and the other players do not. We're playing, not diplomacy

There's definitely a time and a place to break an oath in Commander.

How to crash credibility.. copy every other content creator's videos.

Yeah, I don't understand why people think just because we made a quick deal that we have a treace or a truty for the rest of the game.

Yes.

I think this video explains all the problems vince is talking about: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppOpkn2pfJ2YjKssi=scW1yGZjmaECojHo

It looks like Magic is going through the card games on motorcycles phase that Yugioh did a while back

They basically already had commander back in like Magic 2014? I feel like they are capable of figuring this out..

Leave it to a commander player to not know what "if" means

Commander players are bad at something simple in the game? Oh my stars

Why he mad?

“It doesn’t feel like Magic.” People just like to complain. About anything. If you bought the idea of a multiverse, a true multiverse contains anything imaginable. Race cars was bound to happen. And importantly, they can only do orcs, fairies, and goblins so many times.

I won't be buying any new magic sets for the next year everything announced is shit...but I guess it's because I'm one of the worst people🤬

Yeah im the guy that hears the "threat" and will call it - you are only telling me because you are hoping you won't have to use whatever spell/resources to do it.. Im gunna make you do it.

Had this discussion with some friends in a playgroup recently. It was really rubbing me the wrong way that one of them would always chime in, unprompted, to direct other players how they could more efficiently and effectively mess with the board (usually my stuff). I objected saying let the person figure out what they want to do on their own, rather than you suggest "You know, if you did it this way, you can kill 2 more of Jay's creatures." Let players play their own game; even if they are missing opportunities to f me over to a greater degree. Politics is part of commander, but imo what he is doing is not part of some deal; he's just trying to get people to target everyone else except him for the most destruction

With commander players' tendency to yap, I've developed something of a filter for it. It's not necessarily that I'm not willing to listen to reason, but I have to remember that people only talk with their own best interest in mind, so a bit of source criticism is always valuable to have on hand. The first thing I always ask myself, when a player is looking to broach a deal or pin some heat on somebody or a specific card is "Why are you telling me this?" I don't need to be reminded that the Smothering Tithe is a nuisance and is going to cause problems, so why bring it up? It's not that he doesn't have a point, more that cards like Tithe are really good attention grabbers for someone to slip something under the radar. Either that, or they're in a hurry to get that thing off the board, which signals to me they're looking to draw like crazy. A general rule of thumb I have for myself is that I don't buckle to someone saying "Don't attack or I'll remove your shit", because I find that line of defense an empty bolster most of the time. That removal isn't just going to magically disappear if I let him clutch it for a better time and it's only going to be better for him if he gets to set the terms himself. Yeah, that removal might get used to stop someone's combo, or it might be used to protect his own game-winning play. If I pressure him now, he's gonna be one removal down the next time I mount my attack. If there's something more pressing he knows to keep that removal for, I expect him to know better and take the L and if there isn't, I'm the threat anyway and he's aiming a knife down my spine regardless of if I have it happen now or later. My approach to politics is brutally honest. I don't need to color my intentions to people, I'm helping you do something, because I want something to happen. Eriette of the Charmed Apple is perhaps one of my favorite political commanders, because she isn't really that political. People might make an appeal for my boons, but nobody should ever actually believe, that the Eriette player isn't being opportunistic at every turn. That's not to say this is different from any other political commander, she just merely makes her statement clear. The only times I will ever really start yapping is in 2 scenarios: 1) When I intend to proactively remove a thing, I'll run my mouth about all the potential targets on the board and the consequences of leaving it. This accomplishes quite a few things. By vocalizing it, I'm reviewing the situation and making sure I know what I'm looking for. Someone might also point out something they see on the board that I might have missed. At the very least, people's reactions to something getting pointed out will tell me what I need to know half the time. 2) Someone has just assembled "the combo", something they're intending to win the game with. I'll first verify with the player who is doing it by asking "Are you doing the thing?/Can you do the thing?" Then I elaborate to the rest of the table and ask if anyone's got anything. I'll try to be the last to say I have something unless someone calls for priority, which usually happens.