The Michael Penix Jr. Conversation | PFF

PFF's Sam Monson and Steve Palazzolo are joined by Mike Renner and they break down the draft selection of Michael Penix Jr to the Falcons
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[@Rekcha]

How does this affect LeBron’s legacy?

[@tadlambert1493]

lol 😂

[@iWantJuice]

Jose Calderon better

[@JordTheeNord]

I do honestly respect it. It seems like you are much more likely to hit on qb if they sit a while but takes great patience. And don't talk to me about Penix's age. I feel most qbs are in their primes well into their 30s so I don't care if he could be late 20s before he starts.

[@Cjhilly]

Dud in the middle is a clown lol. Chiefs did the same thing, but actually traded up after having only 28 sacks the previous year.

[@Slimdulla87]

Come on now stop being extremely clueless. Everybody knows Penix Jr is not sitting for 4 years. Kirk Cousins contract is really a 2 year contract the last 2 years are considered dummy years and if Kirk is on the roster by year 3 that means the falcons couldn't find a replacement for Kirk. Y'all consistently stick to the extreme because if you don't y'all logics sound foolish. Terry Fontenot had to say 4 years because he can't just say we only want Kirk for 2 years. You can't say the obvious parts out loud in the NFL

[@tywontaylor7787]

Kirk cousins didn’t start his first NFL season, until 27

[@Powerlifterusa]

Kirk was drafted in the 4th round

[@ektran4205]

Penix JR is injury prone

[@taylormcpherson7329]

@@ektran4205He hasn’t missed a game in 2 full seasons, he’s fine

[@notorioustbg]

@@taylormcpherson7329what about the first four years of college?

[@danncorbit3623]

Cousins costs them nothing after 2 years. He costs nothing against the cap after one year. Penix was rated higher by teams than by the scouts. There are many evaluations that had him as high as second or third among the QB class. This was a great class. With 9 wins projected using Cousins, there is no way for Atlanta to get a future QB next year or the year after.

[@Lowfi7050]

Why would the Gm say ooh we’re gonna cut Kirk after 2 years and destroy your relationship with your starting quarterback. The “know it all” attitude these Couch GM’s be having 😂

[@jaaifromatl4907]

😂😂it’s like that’s they wanted him to say and he beat around the bush didn’t explain why he made the pick really

[@phenoms10]

Love was QB4 at no. 26 in the 2020 draft. Penix Jr. was QB4 at no. 8 in this years draft.

[@stebo5562]

Better qb class

[@ReallyGotMotion]

Penix already has top 5 arm talent in the NFL already, so what he’s not 21? Just because he older doesn’t mean he doesn’t have unreal upside

[@Rekcha]

Whoa whoa whoa you cannot make that claim without him taking an NFL snap

[@iandavidson1500]

@@Rekchayou can for sure evaluate arm talent in a vacuum without taking a single NFL snap. Arm talent is arm talent no matter who it’s against. Translating arm talent to success in the NFL is a different story

[@cannon5kid]

@@iandavidson1500 maybe but he doesn’t have top 5 arm talent

[@LavarBull]

GMs only care about keeping their jobs so they play to the media narratives 😂😂

[@jaylew651]

@@cannon5kidwarren moon doesn’t agree.

[@sweetnessdabutta9985]

Lets say they chose a Pass rusher instead. Lets say Kirk isnt the guy. People keep talking about this player X guy on defense. The Steelers have a player X guy how many playoff games has That player X won??? None The Cowboys have several Player X guys on Defense yet they got destroyed by the Packers and Jordan love 1st yr starter.....where was player X? No where to be found. Do the Packers have a player X on Defense nope. But they do have a player X on Offense and his name is Jordan Love and he plays QB...the ultimate Player X position. So we can sit here and talk about all these other positions all Day long. As long as you have a Dude at QB thats all that matters. Ask the 49ers. They had player x 's all up and down their defense but until they got Purdy it didn't matter.

[@Rekcha]

The issue is that they’ll have no idea if they have a dude for at least two years, whereas we know Cousins is a top 12 QB at worst and putting pieces around him right now could get them a deep playoff run

[@sweetnessdabutta9985]

@@Rekcha my guy the whole point of allowing Penix to sit a yr or two is to allow Penix to learn the Offense, how to read NFL coverages, set the protections, see what right looks like from Cousins. Get stronger and get adjusted to life in the NFL. It also give the Coaches time to work on Penix footwork, mechanics and actually build him up from the ground up inside their new scheme. What do you think happen to Brock Purdy . ..he was allowed to sit back, develop..learn the offense with no pressure at all. Saw Grappalo flame out, watch, Lance Flame out via injury and come in and Ball out. You do know Aaron Rodgers change his throwing motion. GB was able to fix his mechanics while he sat behind Farve. Farve sat on the Bench in Atl for a yr before being traded to GB where he sat before he got his self together also. You may not have known that.

[@OhNoTwisted]

@@Rekcha Cousins doesn't win playoff games. There is no 'deep playoff run' with Cousins. At least not in 12 years for him. He fades in the playoffs. Hell, the ONE playoff win he has...was basically luck at the end of a game. He almost lost that one. Cousins is a top 10 QB in the regular season and a regular, habitual flameout in the playoffs. So even if the Falcons won the division in a weak division, they likely just get beat by whatever wildcard they play. Just like what happened to the Vikings when Cousins was their QB in 2022 season. 13-4 didn't matter, they just lost the wildcard game because Cousins fades in the playoffs. So no chance Cousins is 'the dude' hence the reason the Falcons drafted a QB.

[@5oloswag]

The gift that keeps on

[@psharp66]

PFF guys pump up Falcons OC Zac Robinson and say how good he was picking QBs before the draft - now, no faith.

[@jhen0]

Saying Penix is not a player to develop is just beyond silly, any rookie QB could use a redshirt season in the pros. It used to be the norm that rookie QBs would sit multiple seasons. Just a bad take.

[@lavs8696]

yea i dont get it, ever since the falcons were addressing their qb situation, most agreed only daniels, williams, and maye were probably NFL ready out of the QBs, and all 3 were out of reach for the falcons. that's the whole reason they signed cousins. even maye and daniels would benefit from sitting for a year. no one ever said Penix was NFL ready until after he was taken by the Falcons. its wild

[@matthewlarose1571]

I just dont even understand where the narrative that hes not a developmental guy even comes from. Like yeah hes on the older side of 1st round QBs sure, but if history of QB play in the NFL has taught us anything its that development is non-linear

[@jhen0]

@@matthewlarose1571 you right, it’s a lazy take solely because of his age. That’s it.

[@thelunatick1993]

Numbers of significance 66 2017 81 These numbers explain both moves.

[@shankdiddy9045]

2022 68 QB's went down... Browns was 1 short of he NFLr ecord with 5 Qb's starting But damn 81 QB''s playing in 2017 is nuts.

[@thelunatick1993]

@@shankdiddy9045 81 is how old Arthur Blank is (why Cousins now) 2017 is last season Atlanta was in the playoffs. (Low relevancy equals lost revenue)

[@shankdiddy9045]

@@thelunatick1993 ah ok i was referring to number of qb's who played because of injury and performance which in 2022 was 68 and in 2023 was 66

[@shankdiddy9045]

@@thelunatick1993 Owners age too me is why i think they need cousins now so owner can see some decent football before the end Penix is the future.. hopefully he can see both.

[@thelunatick1993]

@@shankdiddy9045 I thought it was ironically 66 both years. But yes

[@calvinbrown9375]

Kirk Cousins is 36 coming off an Achilles injury. He is essentially on a two-year deal with $100 million dollars guaranteed. Penix will step in year three and not miss a beat. He has elite arm talent and he’s a great processor. All of the “analysts” will quickly switch their tone lmao.

[@reedrh]

So many of these top ranked DEs end up not moving the needle for teams. Look at Jadaveon Clowney and chase young. And they were so much more hyped than Dallas Turner or the DT from Texas. If Penix comes in in 1-2 years and lights it up, that will move the needle more than any defensive linemen. They have been in QB purgatory for the last several years and clearly recognize you’ve got no hope without a good QB.

[@Theodoredarling]

I really think Michael Penix Jr is easily an early to mid round 1 talent but his injury history should’ve pushed him to mid-late round 1. And even though I think Latu is the #1 defender in the class I think the Falcons should’ve taken Dallas Turner.

[@henrywallacesghost5883]

Until you see Penix actually play the conversation will be look what player taken after #8 is doing and Atlanta could have had them.

[@jeremyschneidt4258]

I think the mess they had with after Matt Ryan maybe caused a knee jerk reaction

[@anthonyray5713]

I don’t feel any smarter after watching this video. You guys cover football for a living

[@benjaminlanier6524]

Also...Atl hasnt had quality QB the last 4 years including Matt Ryan. Also, the first defensive player wasn't taken until pick 15.

[@lavs8696]

steve palazzalo always has the best take on the falcons in this whole ordeal and he's gonna be proven right

[@josephlavigne1495]

Bo Nick's in the same conversation as Michael pennix is silly...... Penix beat bo nix 3 times in college..... It wasn't even close.

[@jamesedwards7946]

Penix's is the best QB in the draft

[@AlphariusDominatus]

Said nobody ever

[@jamesedwards7946]

@@AlphariusDominatus well when they tell u you'll know 😂😂😂😂😂 Mr I can't think for myself 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@arkang3l80]

He could end up being the best qb in this draft​@@AlphariusDominatus

[@jamesedwards7946]

@@AlphariusDominatus that's y you're triggered listening to talking heads stupid AF 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jamesedwards7946]

@@AlphariusDominatus someone has to tell you the person with the most yards as a college football QB, took his team to the national championship is the best QB in the country, but u listen to someone tell you no, this guy is the best 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Because y, he's at USC wtf did USC win, or LSU or NC put the pipe down, they didn't win their conference 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jackscully4686]

Washington runs an air raid offense with a lot of RPO and shotgun formations. Penix needs time to learn how to play under center and to learn the west coast lingo. Why does everyone think he is ready just because he is older? Penix has crazy arm talent and knows how to throw with touch, and knows how to read pass concepts against college defensive schemes, but he has a lot to learn and he is in a good place to do it. Also he is not going to be that old for a QB when he starts playing. You would think PFF would get it if anyone would, given how much they have emphasized the importance of the passing game and QB play. I think people just get mad when their consensus informed beliefs are violated because they don't like being wrong. I heard penix was QB2 on the falcons board, and they have a lot of former QBs on their coaching staff.

[@shankdiddy9045]

Nah, he is ready to play .... Scheme has never ever been WHY a QB doesn't play well in the NFL. It has always been about skill sets. His ability to project the passing game down the field and to be able to move and slide in the pocket with avoiding negative plays is translatable.

[@jackscully4686]

@@shankdiddy9045 I agree those skills translate, but success still depends on knowledge at QB, and schematic familiarity gives you a head start. Defenses put so much work into tricking you as a QB, and in addition you have to learn new pass protection calls, a whole new playcalling system which is WAY harder to learn than air raid, and everything happens so much faster. It's a big adjustment even if you have translatable skills.

[@shankdiddy9045]

@@jackscully4686 new players are unknowns. I am just saying of any QB in memory his traits translate.... any Qb is a "coin toss" as a rookie.

[@stebo5562]

Pretty much guaranteed that penix gets a few starts over the next few years. Pretty much every starting quarterback was hurt at some point last year

[@Bbbmurr]

I like it. with Kurt being hurt last season and and penix injury history. Kurt won't play more than 1 season he's not elite they think penix could be.u either have an elite qb or ur everyone else

[@zacht2806]

kirk cousins is owed 27.5 million next year and then has almost no dead money after that. kirk has one year and hes done and maybe not even that.

[@aidenravy]

Also Penix is 24 so they're going to try and break him in when he's 28

[@brandonmcbroom9209]

After 4-5 years of Penix doesn’t play much then when his contract comes up he can’t ask/get Mahomes like money. Be a cheap starter for the Falcons. Makes sense from a money stand point.

[@user-uy3lu3kb9s]

Phenix will not sit four years. He will be Cousins back up and learn but Cousins will miss a game here or there. We will see in two years.

[@tennesseehusky]

Green Bay signed Rogers to record setting contract in 2018 then drafted Love in 2020 right in the middle of Rogers' record breaking contract. Seems pretty similar to me. Love was a reach coming from UTAH STATE where as Penix Jr just played in the Nation Championship game, so who's the bigger reach??????

[@mazzi.ozborne]

Penix is better than Love ever was. To say Penix doesn’t need to develop is the dumbest take i’ve heard

[@reppingl]

in a couple years Fontenot will be looked at in the same was as Dave Gettleman

[@robesterd8132]

Thank you Steve for being the voice of reason

[@meric2363]

I honestly cannot believe how hard you guys are reaching to justify this. Not because you're glazing it up but because even your tepid acceptance of the pick is far too nice. Top 10 picks are supposed to be Day 1 starters, not Day 732 starters. Last year's top 10 had 3 pro-bowlers. And with that irreplaceably valuable pick they drafted a 24yo to sit on the bench behind a QB they TAMPERED for. It's maddening. Penix would have to be a perennial all-pro from 2026 on to even begin to salvage this complete waste of draft capital.

[@matthewlarose1571]

if penix can be a kirk cousins level starter (in like the 10-20 range), thats genuinely more valuable than about 85%-90% of pro bowlers.

[@meric2363]

@@matthewlarose1571 Imagine thinking getting Kirk Cousins in 2 years is better than getting an Ed Oliver or another Drake London level player NOW for the Kirk Cousins on your team NOW is fine, actually. Pure copium lmao.

[@matthewlarose1571]

@@meric2363 cant win games without a QB, can win games without pretty much every other position. Were not a SB contender so its not like were an ed olviver or drake london away. Would they help? yes. Will micheal penix help in 2 years more so than anyone else they could have drafted in 2 years? also yes

[@meric2363]

@@matthewlarose1571 So you tampered for a QB so you have less draft capital, pay him 90million so you could sign less FAs, so that you might win in 2 years because your team has too many holes to fill? Like dude do you hear yourself?

[@matthewlarose1571]

@@meric2363 The tampering is stupid and going to cost someone their job realistically, but i dont get why you think this is so horrible lmao. Were realistically going win the division for 2 years with kirk, then transition over to penix afterwards and were set for the forseeable future. Is the opportunity cost high? yeah no shit. But you literally cannot win games without good quarterback play, so evidently the cost to produce actual statistical wins with good QB play is high enough they doubled down and even tampered. Is it unconventional and therefore stupid, yup. Does it make sense? also yup. 1 mediocre 1st round defensive player wasnt elevating our ceiling any higher than its already at, at that point you may as well take the QB & let him develop, which is valuable in and of itself.

[@jeffwhitney3369]

I'm a Vikings fan....Kirk isn't going to handle this well he's mentally fragile. Ton's of problems coming on this deal I'm pretty sure

[@teejayman215]

If then, we have Penix Jr to take over

[@jeremiegranger7285]

Arthur Blank and Terry Fontenot will not get the Falcons to a winning record. Paying Kirk $100 million was stupid. And not only that, we're going to lose a draft pick next year for tampering.

[@blickpantheraj9029]

We almost had a winning record last year with Ridder bum ass. Defense was top 10 in the league. Offense has a ton of potential. Cut the sh*t.

[@marcusespinoza2961]

Horrible use of cap space, draft capital

[@lavs8696]

taking a franchise qb is never a waste of draft capital. cousins contract is not even that bad cap wise, its the market rate for a competent QB. only reason they got him and not a bridge is they dont want to keep wasting Pitts, London, and Bijan's rookie deals. signing a bridge qb instead of cousins would be horrible use of cap space

[@marcusespinoza2961]

@@lavs8696 I don’t mind the strategy but they picked the wrong QB to sign…a minshew would have been far cheaper and accomplish near the same. It’s clear they didn’t do their research soon enough on Penix, realized they wanted him after the fact, then drafted him anyways. I guarantee they would take back signing Kirk if they had the chance

[@abacot24]

This show literally gets worse and worse every time I tune in

[@tonyk7387]

The pick was terrible, period. Horrible process, horrible job of keeping ur new big money QB in the loop, horrible use of the cap. And furthermore.. their trade up in the 2nd round for Ruke was just more proof that the GM isn't built for this shit. Just bad process at multiple points in the draft. It comes down to this... As a falcons fan.. do you feel confident in ur GMs ability to put together a top shelf team? If you answer yes after that draft, your brain should get checked along with Terry's

[@pedroivo81]

So, if someone don't agree with you they need to get checked because your opiniion is the only thing that matters? You don't think that maybe, just maybe, you can be wrong? I'm Falcons fan and I like the Penix pick. He can develop as a backup and then take the job. The Ruke pick is beacause they wanted a NT and the board had only two true NT in the second round: Ruke and Sweat, but Sweat has a DUI arrest and even with that he went at #38 to the Titans. The next NT was Maason Smith at #48 and was a big reach. After him the next NT went in the 4th round.