THE MILWAUKEE ROADS FAMOUS HIAWATHA

This video describes the famous 4-4-2 and 4-6-4 versions of the Milwaukee Roads famous passenger service known as the "Hiawatha". Despite being steam locomotives, these services from the Milwaukee competed head to head and even overtook the arch rival Burlington's diesel trainset known as the Zephyr.

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Question... Why does "cremesicle" look good on anything but a certain NFL football uniform?

[@sirbarongaming2138]

I don't know why, I ask myself this question from time to time

[@wolfgangkrebl3056]

For me it is absolutely not understandable that none of those incredibly beautiful steam locos has been preserved! So sad😢. Thx anyhow for this wonderful journey into the past. 👍

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Exactly!

[@wesw9586]

Lack of finances and decay do that. Sad really. Just more victims of the rust belt.

[@sebastianschroeder6459]

It's always rare to see anything on the MILW Hiawatha, and the history. Living in MKE, it's always cool to hear more history about the road the ruled the area. Cheers! The A class, was- and still is, my favorite steamer. Some of the best looking out there, plus the fact they never got a proper whistle! A horn instead, a modern twist to a classic form of road power.

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@kc4cvh]

The February, 1944 issue of Trains has an article of interest to fans of the C.M.St.P&P. describing how they were building the "super railroad" of tomorrow, with curve reductions and eliminating many mainline switches. There's also a reproduction of the speedometer tape from a Hiawatha Chicago-Milwaukee run, showing the speed rapidly rising to a steady 100 -104 mph for most of the run, a sudden slowdown then a brief resumption of 65 mph, then slows to a stop, end-to-end speed was around 82 mph. Today, the only way you could equal that speed on the same route is in a private plane.

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

That's really interesting!

[@davidstrawn9272]

I like the F7 Hiawatha. They ran 125 mph as one of the fastest steam locomotive (only the LNER Mallard in the UK is faster) which is why this as well as having a orange paint (my favorite color) makes them "A Rival of the Southern Pacific Daylight locomotive"!

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

I think they look sharp.. And they do strikingly look like a Zephyr.. But I like the wheels better on the F7

[@KarlBisila261]

Love the look of the Hiawathas! Too bad none were saved. With you doing a video on the Hiawatha, you should do one on another famous milwaukee road steam engine. The 261!

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Thank you so very much!! Very appreciated! Your video request will be up first tomorrow! Thanks again!

[@ronalddevine9587]

Very impressive.

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

I think they were too!

[@thomasavensjr.2790]

The Milwaukee Road "Hiawatha" passenger trains were attractive, interesting and very popular among passenger trains of the streamliner era and this video provides great details of the Hiawatha operating history. I really like the f7 class streamlined Hudson type (4-6-4) locomotives as they were similar to the NYC Dreyfuss Hudsons and it's a true shame that none of these engines were preserved for display as only 6 engines were built.

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Yes they are!

[@colinwisner1016]

The Milwaukee Road (start a chain)

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Lets!

[@ManiacRacing]

Beautiful machines.

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Yes they are!

[@robertcontri4087]

Another excellent presentation of detailed research!

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Glad you liked it!

[@poowg2657]

The neatest thing about the A was the main rods were cranked to the lead Driver like an American type. Atlantics cranked to the second axle to shorten the wheelbase had a nasty tendency to waddle and this got worse at speed. The A didn't have this problem. Having said that the Fs were my favorites. Great video!

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Thank you!

[@farmboy971]

My grandfather retired as a roundhouse foreman in Montevideo MN which was on the mainline for the pacific extension

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

I love hearing stories like this!

[@rainierbagatsing1073]

There were other Hiawatha locomotives, those being the G class 4-6-0 ten-wheeler and F3 class 4-6-2 pacifics. Also, after the success of the Hiawatha 4 more said trains came over the years. List of milwaukee road hiawatha trains 1. Twin-cities Hiawatha 2. North woods Hiawatha 3. Chippewa Hiawatha 4. Midwest Hiawatha 5. Olympian Hiawatha

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Yeah, I didnt include them because they weren't originally built from the ground up as such.. Rather converts.. So I kinda feel like they are counterfeit so to speak in order.. to.. you know.. trick the public into more ridership. Kinda like click bait on social media in a way.

[@rainierbagatsing1073]

@@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower well despite them not being built from the ground up they were cool and handled the Hiawatha trains flawlessly along side with the class a Atlantics and F7 hudsons.

[@krimskrams]

Love this train and this is a great video! I made a LEGO version of the 1935 Class A locomotive and Hiawatha cars recently! :)

[@SteamKing2160]

I do love the hiawatha a class 4-4-2 and f7 4-6-4's although the f7 did have its faults but otherwise were great locomotives. problems that the F7 hiawatha 4-6-4's had: - stripping their running gear - crosshead problems - hard riding - tended to slip - developed hot main pins

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Great additional information

[@zyancuerdo1615]

Honestly given the speed history of these things they were probably the only locomotives that would be able to steal mallards record at the time

[@dakotastuart4486]

I heard a rumor that the Milwaukee Road was going to donate a Class A to the MOT, but St. Louis turned it down because they already had a CNW Atlantic.

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Hmmm.. if they were keeping it in their Hiawatha streamlining.. That makes no sense.. The things were well known!

[@alexpiper9475]

thank you .

[@Bob.W.]

I live right next to their old mainline to the Twin Cities, now CPKC.

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Are there any historic shops or the like that are centered on the Hiawatha in that area still?

[@Bob.W.]

@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower not that I know of. Old depots though, like Winona and Red Wing.

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Yeah I was wondering about that.. though I didnt look too hard.. I was in that area not to long ago and didnt notice anything like that myself.

[@martindoyle831]

CPR had 4-4-4s styled like their royal hudsons and one of the 4 or 6 built is hidden away ar steam town. Was previously at expo rail in canada

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

I love the info!

[@dominicwroblewski5832]

The Hiawatha locomotives were all oil fired.

[@doggerbendrailway6002]

The Australian standard Garrrat is a interesting story

[@manga12]

funny you talk about this they did an article about this in classic trains magazine I read this morning in the store they talked about the cars though

[@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower]

Things like that happen often to me

[@dennisyoung4631]

ALCO!