The Modern Format Isn't What It Used To Be

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@PressXtoDoubt 5 ай бұрын

We need to have the Pioneer metric for Modern where cards have to rotate through standard to be legal. None of this straight to modern BS.

@djsedam123 5 ай бұрын

It used to be, but wasn't officially written down

@Interrobang212 5 ай бұрын

We asked for it for a really long time and when we finally got it, it was a horrible mistake

@SaltySparrow 5 ай бұрын

Just wait until Pioneer Horizons in 2027 and then they will release a new format "Explorer" to replace what Pioneer used to be. Oh wait.

@errrzarrr 5 ай бұрын

No, we don’t want your overpowered spoiled cards in Standard or Pioneer. Keep your Ring there

@PressXtoDoubt 5 ай бұрын

@@errrzarrr those cards never should have been printed

@stevsomeguy07 5 ай бұрын

I played Modern for years and only quit once it became modern horizons constructed. I can honestly say I hate the direction Magic is going and if it continues like this I won’t be playing at all.

@rameybartels6291 5 ай бұрын

100%

@Aaron-l3l6g 4 ай бұрын

Ah yes the Commanderification of Magic.

@cerilious 5 ай бұрын

True modern would be only standard legal sets. I want to see that format.

@refundreplay 5 ай бұрын

That doesn't sell packs.

@Bravehrry 5 ай бұрын

Pure modern! Modern with only standard legal sets, doom wake has held a few tournaments was a really fun change of pace

@SaltySparrow 5 ай бұрын

I'd play the hell out of this.

@iRunnerOAC 5 ай бұрын

Pioneer

@tors17 4 ай бұрын

Premodern

@wetdog3148 5 ай бұрын

Pauper is easily the most consistently healthy format. Also has incredibly fun gameplay. Creatures matter, and you’re playing so many awesome spells from legacy.

@JulioLopez-jj8pi 5 ай бұрын

How funny it is that now modern rotates faster than standard with a new MH and UB set every two years xD, my standard deck will last longer than my modern deck...

@pascalraskal9347 5 ай бұрын

Modern Feels like an subscribtion service get your deck with the new cards that are the same just a bit better than last season ....

@michaschulz5182 5 ай бұрын

Like i say for years pioneer is the new modern Modern feels more like old legacy now. I am very happy with modern as old legacy player, who stopped with legacy because of the multiplayer cards that destroy 1 vs 1 games. And a lot of friends that wanted old modern are realy happy with pioneer Edit: I dont think that this will kill constructed it is normal magic player talk. I started the game with onslaught and even back than every set release the internet screamed this kills mtg or mtg is dead. Wotc: Dmg on stack isnt a thing anymore Players: Mtg is dead 20 years later im still playing as well as a lot of the people i started with or get to know on the tournaments. I think we as magic comunity are realy melodramatic with everything that changes. And im a part of this too i still wish we would get blocks with 3 editions instead of all the single editions we get now.

@seedlesstom 5 ай бұрын

As an old guy coming back from not really playing since about 2001, I either want to play truly degenerate stuff in legacy, or I want to play fair games in pioneer. I have no desire to dip my toes in the modern pool. 🤷‍♂

@SaltySparrow 5 ай бұрын

And in about 5 years Pioneer will get direct printings and the cycle will continue and they will make another format with less sets, etc.

@matthewvandyk7773 5 ай бұрын

I'd be interested in pioneer however I like my themed Treefolk decks. And I don't think it's possible currently.

@michaschulz5182 4 ай бұрын

@@seedlesstom thats absolutly fair ^^ thats the nice thing with the Formats every one can search the one he likes.

@michaschulz5182 4 ай бұрын

@@SaltySparrow could happen but that is magic. I remember playing a lot of extendet now the Format doesnt even exist any more and we have modern and pioneer so wizard changing up the whole Formats is nothing new it happened years ago and will happen in the future.

@KebbieG 5 ай бұрын

I play exclusively Pioneer/Explorer for the MTG content that I do. It isn't that bad. Yes, Amalia should get hit but overall, the format is way more fun than Modern. I miss Modern from 2016 to 2019. The best years of magic.

@ultratog1028 4 ай бұрын

I was just talking to my friend about this. Modern started as a format to play your old cards not powerful enough for vintage/legacy, but now it is just Horizons block constructed. Constantly changing. I guess WotC got diminishing returns on profit for reprinting staples so now the Horizons sets are done specifically to monetize the format. Commander is SUPER similar. It was a format where you could have jank that was unplayable in other formats and a lot of deckbuilding was based around making the vest of a bad situation. The first printed for commander cards were niche like Riddlekeeper, or Sewer Nemesis or needed pieces like more Wedge Commanders or Spell Crumble (at the time). Now new products warp the format. Why bother finding cards that proliferate counters for your sagas when WotC just prints a card specifically for Commander Saga decks? No more niche commander for your Shrine deck, we have Go-Shintai of 5 color shrine I forget the name of.

@aquaguy88 5 ай бұрын

Modern Horizons was the worst thing to happen To the format ever. True Modern needs to be a supported format and not this nonsense. Modern masters was the re-prints we needed for new players. Straight to Modern BS is terrible. F the modern horizons sets , F the LOTR sets and Assassins creed set. I can only image how its going to be when the FF set and Marvel sets come out. Oh boy cant wait to find out how broken the buster sword and Iron man will be. . .

@gamevision1155 5 ай бұрын

🧂

@aquaguy88 5 ай бұрын

@@gamevision1155 Huff that copium. Modern will get a come back with bans in August

@austro_hungarian_nostalgia 4 ай бұрын

Based nad trvepilled

@magic_taxes42 4 ай бұрын

3:35 this is so real. I had recently just bought into tron and now I feel like I have to spend another $500 just for it to be playable again.

@NateBullock-ow6on Ай бұрын

Maybe you just don't know what you're doing

@Willh-d1p 5 ай бұрын

Just look at jund and ask yourself if it's a rotating format. Goyf used to be $120, now it's a token. Liliana of the veil got printed into standard again.

@austro_hungarian_nostalgia 4 ай бұрын

Look how they massacred my goyf

@PiratePineapplez 5 ай бұрын

average price is 800 $ and that is enough to never play modern ever

@khub5660 5 ай бұрын

That's nothing new for Modern. Hell, decks for Modern used to be more than $1,000 if you weren't playing burn

@billlong4586 5 ай бұрын

Modern jund was $2000 when I started playing modern. Modern abzan was 1600 during khans block. Mono g tron was 800 in 2020. Price is no different

@PiratePineapplez 5 ай бұрын

As if those are good arguments

@khub5660 4 ай бұрын

@@PiratePineapplez you're complaining about something that didn't hinder the format before. Even during the 2008 recession

@PiratePineapplez 4 ай бұрын

as if this is a good argument x2

@Duskraven377 4 ай бұрын

Modern functionally rotates more often than Standard does now: every two years when the next MH set comes out.

@TheEmitt 5 ай бұрын

I think if you want a more non-rotating format, pioneer is the way to go since you can dodge the straight to modern sets. Though like you said, it has got its own problems at the moment with the top decks (fingers crossed they get hit). Also on your comments about the marvel ser, is it confirmed if that's going into standard, or straight to modern like LotR?

@zoey1570 5 ай бұрын

I just want the game to be accessible to people. The game is way too expensive for what it is. Modern IS a fun format, same for Legacy, Duel Commander, CEDH, Pioneer, pauper etc etc etc. Cards printed in other sets are just as easily added in to main sets so there really is no difference there.

@jasonstatom9693 5 ай бұрын

Sounds like a lost in the sauce rant, all 3 of the points on the webpage are valid. It doesn't rotate, power creep/bans etc is not rotation but instead provides that variety meta game that changes year to year. You can master any deck without fear of rotation, might lose some cards to bans here and there but only further plays into mastering a deck.

@austro_hungarian_nostalgia 4 ай бұрын

It technically doesn't rotate, but it does practically with ever new Mh release

@marcobiraghi 4 ай бұрын

lol k

@jasonstatom9693 4 ай бұрын

@@marcobiraghi yup

@casually_lurking 4 ай бұрын

List, list, list- gotta havva list right now! Please, I love this WAY too much.

@pridefulworm 5 ай бұрын

I think something some overlook in the post modern horizon era is that the general power level of cards has increased so much it crowds out many older cards and many lower teir strategies. Back in the day it was far easier to make an off the wall brew with old random cards that could actually steal a few games or even go positive at fnm. This was because the card quality was much closer, so even if your deck was not meta if it still had a solid game plan you had the potential to win some games, now if you try to do that people are slinging one rings, Nadus and even a t2 deck looks something like amulet titan.. When the general card power level goes up that much it invalidates too many of the older cards making most strategies that are not supported by newer sets unplayable instead of hard to pull off

@shanehorton4022 5 ай бұрын

It simply is a non-rotating format. It has a power creep problem from MH

@austro_hungarian_nostalgia 4 ай бұрын

Technically, not practically, every two years a new MH set anihilates the latter metagame, effectively forcing a rotation.

@Uri6060 5 ай бұрын

Yeah. When I first got into modern, i was so excited to play older decks, or brews. Like especially humans I thought was really cool and sorta was the epitome of what I thought was cool about eternal formats. Where you just have all these utility pieces picked up from years and years, stuff like Meddling Mage, reflector mage, kitesail freebooter and such that are able to just be very powerful controlling pieces that can be picked as one or all to add as interaction, mixed in with your Mantis Riders and such which really can put the pressure on. Just a super maleable deck that has picked pieces here and there and some cards to tie it all together, that can be adjusted or changed between many pieces and gets to transform more into what you need it to be. Whereas modern now due to stuff like MH3, the powerlevel of these individual pieces are just nowhere near close to these old cards. Like imagine trying to run a reflector mage in current modern, like if you vial it in it might feel not terrible, but a non vial'd reflector is atrocious. Oh humans, have you heard of my good friend the one ring?

@Uri6060 5 ай бұрын

And there was a point not too long ago where I felt like this was still doable, like before MH2 it felt like there was a lot of room on the turns 2-4 for some more shenanigan esque stuff. I mean look at legacy, where faeries was a very reasonable deck for a good bit. But then all the x/1 hate just destroyed those decks. Not to mention the increased importance of turns 2-4 where you cant really get away with some powerful shenanigans nearly as much anymore. Same thing with tron, thragtusk is one of my fave cards in old tron, and you would occasionally see thragtusk still in sideboards until like mh2ish.

@Cobaltmaster 4 ай бұрын

I got into pauper a week before MH3 and I bought Goblins Combo and oh boy, the lack of new toys makes playing the deck feel bad.

@tspin5642 4 ай бұрын

Pioneer is the old modern

@tspin5642 4 ай бұрын

But pioneer needs sorin to be banned beacuse that’s the card that is slowing vampires to be stupid, and amalia should be banned. But I like how a tempo or agro based strategy can compete and it won’t be over 100$

@Sorran87 5 ай бұрын

Modern stopped being good after the Twin ban. Then it became unplayable after Horizons

@demarge1065 5 ай бұрын

It was funny how we got so much energy support in mh3 that it power crept out all of the original energy cards.

@khub5660 5 ай бұрын

The original energy cards were garbage tbh

@johndoe6449 4 ай бұрын

Before MH3 came out I was toying with a RB Madness deck in Historic. At the time I felt like the decks were very Modern Horizons sided but they still relied on unique pieces so it was tolerable and I was playing a deck I liked using parts from MH2 people didn’t notice. MH3 wiped me out entirely and I’ve tried to force my stuff using what pieces those decks offer but even more than MH2, the pieces in the newest set just warp the entire format.

@EsperVeltmanMusic 4 ай бұрын

this is why Pauper is the best 60 card format right now

@xternalpunk 4 ай бұрын

All three of my modern decks became obsolete the day MH3 came out.

@lostinthewoods2201 4 ай бұрын

Hi @thatmillguy, love your stuff. This might be a comment you get all the time but do you have a Dimir commander mill deck? Whats the list like? Im out here trying my best

@MarioJPC 5 ай бұрын

We are happy with Standard Rotation's Eve. And we are pretty happy on that one.

@errrzarrr 5 ай бұрын

This guy: Pioneer doesn’t change. Shame. Also this guy: I need my decks to run FETCH LANDS. Those are from Magic 24 years ago, totally fine with that. Reprinted 1000 times, that’s cool too. Modern only viable deck is Nadu competitively, that’s enough diversity for me.

@djsedam123 5 ай бұрын

You can't even play a Burn deck anymore. When Burn is unplayable, something went wrong a WHILE ago

@ashemabahumat4173 5 ай бұрын

Its not rotating, its power crept lol

@sgjuxta 4 ай бұрын

Direct to Modern sets were always an inevitability. Modern has always posed a problem for WotC as a hugely popular 60-caed competitive format that historically, unlike Standard, is very difficult for them to monetize. If a hugely popular format has such low card churn of new playable cards entering the format that people barely ever have to buy any new cards to keep playing a meta deck for YEARS, that is unfortunately a problem from the business side of WotC. For a while, they tried to mitigate this issue with Masters sets, leveraging the incredibly high prices of Modern staples at the time to make a crapton of money selling premium-priced booster packs, but that was only ever going to be a temporary solution, because you can only reprint an individual card so many times and so often before the "well runs dry," so to speak. The only real solution that is left then to effectively try to monetize the popularity of Modern via selling booster packs is to print new staple-level cards directly into the format, which kinda kills two birds with one stone. One, it adds more churn into the format via a pseudo rotation every few years, incentivizing players to actually buy new cards from Wizards, and secondly, by creating *new* staples they are also expanding their pool of reprint equity, setting the stage for a future return of Masters sets if they so desire.

@shryque 5 ай бұрын

I play an Ancient Mono-green Tron

@shaneg9081 4 ай бұрын

20 mins gametime is easy. Shuffle up, play, sideboard, shuffle up, play, and maybe shuffle up and play again in roughly 20 mins.

@isnanesavant 5 ай бұрын

Yeah my stuff doesnt rotate but it sure feels like it did. and sure, i can master my deck!.... into the mastery of only having a 35% winrate vs a modern horizons nadu pile

@SaibotPT 5 ай бұрын

Tecnically Modern doesnt rotate, but modern horizons sets bring so much power that changes the overall landscape of what's played. You can still play all the decks that you could before MH but that doesnt make them good.

@austro_hungarian_nostalgia 4 ай бұрын

That's the entire point man, on a technical level it doesn't rotate, we all know this. However it does rotate practically, because even the MH2 decks are now unplayable, like Murktide.

@jmanwild87 4 ай бұрын

@austro_hungarian_nostalgia that's mostly a nadu issue. Murktide and stuff like Yawgmoth still shows up as tier 2 strategies on MTGO. So you can still play them and get results it's just well nadu is incredibly pushed and the energy cards were a bit pushed for how uninteractive energy is.

@NeitNate 5 ай бұрын

the modern format doesnt rotate however when things that are straight to modern sets massively influence how the performace of decks and how decks come up it seemingly feels like it is bound to some kind of rotation. that being said you can take decks from 2015 and pin it aginst decks now they don't hold up. and seeming crumble at the feet of decks from today. that said no one is stopping people from playing the current additives in thier old decks but it does go to show it is pushing the monetary agenda of what wizards/ hasbro needs to keep the game alive.

@CorrxptData 4 ай бұрын

Anybody commenting about the anarchomancer reducing by 2 didn’t pay attention to his first turn…come on people, reading the card explains the card. Also, deck list please?

@AlexanderHill-n9l 5 ай бұрын

I've played mtg since 1999 and burn is my baby I played it for 10 years minimal upgrades and honestly I played bloomburrow and mh3 and I think I've really just had it with my favorite game ever modern horizons and monetizing command it's running the game

@tylerstegman6846 5 ай бұрын

I dont feel it rotates. I've played the same deck since it's inception and just updated the deck over time. Every deck can do that.

@refundreplay 5 ай бұрын

What deck? I've played Modern since it was Extended, and Burn has basically rotated. Infect has rotated. Affinity, Delver, Swords=Dead. Amulet Titan is falling off. Murktide is falling off. Let us know when your deck makes it to the Pro-Tour.

@hugopinto195 5 ай бұрын

1:38 i still play my heliod deck... modern, appart from the recent combo decks (which i still can beat with good hands), is still a very midrange format, and you can still play older decks with reasonable win rates :) just because a new deck is 59% win rate, doesnt mean you shouldnt play your 54% win rate favorite deck.

@BlazeWheeler 5 ай бұрын

Non rotating is and will always be correct. You aren't unable to play your old stuff. New stuff may be better, but nobody can stop you from playing your old jank

@TinyLokiGaming 5 ай бұрын

Pauper is affordable and has more fun games on average than Modern or Pioneer does with The One Ring dominating every format that its in

@Cybertech134 4 ай бұрын

Modern is essentially Yu-Gi-Oh and in that game, it's well understood that regular ban lists are necessary for eternal formats

@matthewvandyk7773 5 ай бұрын

I doubt my modern Lwyorn themed Treefolk deck would be playable. I honestly don't want to be forced to play the same few decks just to have a chance to win a game.

@czairkolmoslink5952 5 ай бұрын

As a Jund player, I feel like people never played Modern more than 2 years. This feels like “first time?” moment. As Jund was relevant from 2012 to 2014 then again from 2019 to 2021. We are still here thinking what we need to do to adapt. I will say the amount of power creep from MH to MH is stupid. It’s small but noticeable as Guide of Souls is a better DRC. The push of these cards worried me.

@austro_hungarian_nostalgia 4 ай бұрын

I am glad many players share my hate of MH. It has been a plague for not just modern, but all of magic, this underlines a bigger problem however: powercreep. The simple fact is that Magic had a similar problem before MH and after as well, certain standard cards were just getting too powerful. This is the issue, cards that fundamentally change long-standing decks. MH has anihilated Modern, upset Legacy and strangely enough impacted even Vintage. I really have just been reduced to playing EDH because even though even there you cannot fully escape MH and powercreep it is a more casual format ad you can build decks that aren't optimized, upgrade them and so forth and it is still a an enjoyable playing experience. I had one idea though, I know I am not influential enough, but "Traditional Modern" as an alternativee has been on my mind as a possibility. A set free of the LOTR set, any and all MH cards and only traditional modern sets as well as the Standard sets. Essentially if we rewound to Modern in 2018. The banlist would still be the same as the regular modern one. Because pioneer is somewhat the new modern, but it just isn't the same and you have to learn the meta etc. Plus a ot of us have a deep relationship with moderns traditional metagame. Recognizing classic decks like tron, jund, azorius control, merfolk, titan, storm, living end, dredge, shadow, affinity, hardened scales, merfolk, humans, burn etc. That is the modern I fell in love with, not this.

@LNRDi 4 ай бұрын

I believe that modern does not rotate. What sets have come into modern and then been removed? That's what rotation means. Power creep is a different problem that should be addressed and described differently. If we think a format is pseudo-rotating because of the demand to constantly buy new sets, there is a different set of problems: 1) You don't want to buy the new sets very much. While this seems like a small/silly observation, it's actually the most important thing in the WotC design philosophy for new sets. If the set doesn't sell well, they don't make money. They have a financial incentive to power-creep cards (every TCG has this problem) to keep you buying sets. MH3 is a printing problem for a myriad of reasons including that one, but there's a more subtle problem lurking here too. If they don't print new, powerful cards how will the metagame of Modern ever shift? Legacy's meta shifts with new sets as well (for the good of the format) and survives much better through these printing cycles because of how *broad* the card catalogue they have access to is. 2) The ban list. There's too much on it, especially old cards. WotC has multiple levers to control the impact of power creep on a format outside of card design itself. One of those is bringing back in cards that have been crept closer to current power level that used to be too strong. Banning new cards is also technically a solution, but one that notoriously angers player bases (When you *just* bought hundreds of dollars worth of format staples that came out this year and then they get banned it feels bad for the player EVEN WHEN those cards are themselves unhealthy for the format.) 3) Modern has an identity crisis. When Modern was released it was described and created to be an affordable version of the beloved eternal format, Legacy. There was a broad feeling in the player community (rightfully so) that Legacy was a blast to play, super fun, and also way to expensive to be accessible to the average player. Modern was meant to be the "new Legacy" for a generation of players who started around its format cutoff (Kamigawa/Mirrodin era players who didn't own dual lands, but did own boxes and boxes of more recent sets.) Modern is no longer that. It doesn't even really feel like Legacy, because power creep makes the format feel MORE like modern sets by themselves as opposed to the whole body of the format's catalogue of cards.

@oscarsantillan6487 5 ай бұрын

I had this conversation with a friend multiple times, its hard to fight against the changes of modern when currently we have more players than ever, but the main selling points, that are stated by those 3 bullet points, are not here anymore, its different and itis not bad on itself, but what WOTC did was displace the players that were looking for those 3 bullet points, for a different player base who they can milk more easily and are happy enough with the current status quo, I do not like it, I abandoned modern after modern horizons 1, I understand that modern is not for me now, but for as long as there is players who buys modern horizons packs that wont change.

@scott898586 5 ай бұрын

Imagine OTS stores doing this against Konami in our tier 0 formats. There would be a lot less OTS stores, let me tell you.

@canaantravis 11 күн бұрын

Pioneer is now what modern used to be, but wotc removed it from RCQ so they want to kill it because it doesn’t make them money like modern does

@lanmarknetworking3034 4 ай бұрын

Eventually they will reprint modern to dust, come out and say how bad they f-ed up and end Modern support... ...just in time to introduce Pioneer Horizons and reprints sets for all the new hard to find Pioneer staples..

@Keylime_Pi3 5 ай бұрын

Pauper lover. Best format.

@tripleeyeemoji 5 ай бұрын

I miss 2017-2019 modern so much. The golden age. Sure some decks sucked to play against but it felt better.

@odoylerules1435 5 ай бұрын

I think Mh set ruined modern and legacy. I stopped playing modern after ragavan grief got printed. The meta game changes every MH set so you cant play your decks anymore. The new cards like nadu just outclass any strategy your deck might of had. It feels like pay to win. Which is why i think most people will stop playing modern now.

@rameybartels6291 5 ай бұрын

100%

@JankyDice96 4 ай бұрын

Also to mention that modern, pioneer explorer and historic are cursed by m horizon sets…but also the meta game is full of linear bot-like deck that wins alone…

@shavo_. 4 ай бұрын

your first problem is thinking wotc actually cares about competitive play. they likely would be happy to get rid of all of them and just make commander products.

@isambo400 5 ай бұрын

I quit modern. It's no longer modern. I also fully support proxy cards now because I am sick of this company's greed.

@L8RSTORM 5 ай бұрын

Pioneer is still 10x better then modern i will die oh this hill.

@DanAllen117 4 ай бұрын

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I enjoy the fact that we can get high power sets like MH3. However, I also think the hatred for non-standard sets is a bit misplaced. The only complaint toward any actual cards in the set has been almost purely on Nadu. One card. A single card from time to time that has the power to shift an entire format has also come from standard sets. I feel as though if Nadu had never been made and it was just some other generic simic card that didn't do anything special, nobody would have complained, yet, because of this card alone, everyone has decided that MH3 caused an effective rotation. I think the whole concept of soft rotation is just being blown out of proportion.

@jmanwild87 4 ай бұрын

I mean it was stuff like the evoke elementals and other free spells that really did radically change the format as free spells often do. Really the only major complaint people have with MH3 is Nadu but people have been complaining about other modem horizons sets because the decks they like are no longer viable.

@SaltySparrow 5 ай бұрын

The moment Modern Horizons came out, old Modern died. Mox Opal was banned because of Urza. I do think Horizons makes easier for Wizard to reprint things like fetches, but IMO standard is fine with them. Its just an excuse to sell packs with power. I do not know many people who play Pioneer, its too much combo, but hopefully August bans fixes it.

@tinfoilslacks3750 4 ай бұрын

"Uh modern literally doesn't rotate" ☝️🤓

@larsegholmfischmann6594 5 ай бұрын

I just miss the days where you could make a jank pile and go 2-3 at the LGS. If you did that today, you'd not win even a single game

@Bobthebuilder42069 5 ай бұрын

We’re now in the bloomburrow meta and they still haven’t banned the birb. Assassins Creed meta was decent.

@riotron1026 4 ай бұрын

Come to channels like this if you just want to complain and stay jaded about the format instead of actually being explorative about the format and actually learning what’s out there.

@abyrd9799 4 ай бұрын

If you dig it that’s fine, but modern has lost a lot with as much as it’s gained. No one is suggesting that a deck should never change over time but when someone could play pretty much the same deck over several years they became much better at them than someone playing a deck with the lifespan of a post modern deck. A side bar, when this was the case it wasn’t like everyone only ever had one deck, it was much more reasonable to build multiple decks because they didn’t expire so quickly.

@Zakharon 5 ай бұрын

Ill say it again for those in the back. If it is possible for to to use the oldest available cards in the format, the format does not rotate. I don't care if you think new cards outclass the old cards to the point you dont use them, that could be said about yugioh, another card game with an eternal format, yet we constantly see old cards crawl out of the wood work to be relevant when a new card finally gives that old card time to shine.

@thebigsquig 5 ай бұрын

That like saying, "my boss didn't fire me, he just made my worklife so awful I quit." Dude, you got fired.

@Zakharon 5 ай бұрын

@@thebigsquig You magic players sure are negative about everything arent you?

@10jonapi 5 ай бұрын

@Zakharon have you kept up with yugioh lately you dolt? Literally just went through 3 different tier 0 formats bc of op cards printed in new sets.

@Zakharon 5 ай бұрын

@@10jonapi I did't say that new cards are not good, I just said that sometimes an old card becomes incredibly busted when just the right new card is released and that is because of an eternal format

@10jonapi 4 ай бұрын

@Zakharon oh, so a single legacy card out of a 40 card deck suddenly makes it completely different than if it wasn't included. Can you even give a example of this within the last year?

@TheUniversalEclipse 5 ай бұрын

I want a eternal format that only includes cards that wizards will reprint (no reserve list and racist cards) and only cards that have been legal in standard at one point, so no commander cards and no straight to modern or legacy cards.

@Infernal_toast 4 ай бұрын

this is what happens when the business men with suits take over and get $ $ in their eyes

@LiberAustismSchizotica 4 ай бұрын

Pauper master race ✊

@mrmarklin 5 ай бұрын

Has anyone ever tried playing mh2 decks against these new mh3 ones? I personally think aside Nadu, the other decks are not so powerful that the old mh2 decks are playable

@jmanwild87 4 ай бұрын

@mrmarklin i mean mh2 decks are pretty much tier 2 right now probably because nadu takes up such a substantial portion of the meta

@MarioEstrada-o2z 4 ай бұрын

Wotc shouldn't have commader in mind for horizons at all. If and they will make a fourth horizon set they should only focus on modern only. Aka bring some modern event decks for 150. Commander players buy the hell out of precons which is crazy too me. But hopefully wotc drops horizons after 3

@khazraknotreal7224 5 ай бұрын

Just make a format "We fixed it" where MH is banned and all cards banned because of MH are unbanned to see if they were actually a problem or if it was just because the MH payoffs were to ridiculous (if they are busted in the new format then you just ban them again)

@thebigsquig 5 ай бұрын

im curious, if you have a 2019 tron deck, how much in paper would it cost you to upgrade it to a 2024 tron deck? Yeah, that's why I don't play modern anymore. Whats sad is that even if today all players quit modern both in paper and online, MH4 would still be a very successful set cause of commander. They have little incentive to care about what happens to modern.

@Hapkins-le6xf 5 ай бұрын

The "non-rotating" seems to be the most egregious thing in the bullet points. The rest seem arguably true depending on your focus.

@yugioh1870 5 ай бұрын

but it doesnt rotate.

@Hapkins-le6xf 5 ай бұрын

@yugioh1870 This is what the word semantics was made for. At least one powerhouse universes beyond set a year or 1 mh set a year that hard resets the meta. Lord of the rings (2023), followed by mh3 (2024), followed by final fantasy/marvel (2025). I'm calling that a rotation. Happens once a year through a powerhouse release.

@yugioh1870 4 ай бұрын

@@Hapkins-le6xf but it's not a rotation. Your old cards are still legal to play. You're trying to muddy the water because you don't like it. You can just not like the format without lying about the game.

@Hapkins-le6xf 4 ай бұрын

@yugioh1870 Again, this is a matter of semantic definition. To you, a rotation must require the removal of cards. To me, it does not. Standard and modern both rotate now, the method is different.

@yugioh1870 4 ай бұрын

@Hapkins-le6xf and you're wrong. Rotation means a specific thing. Trying to change that meaning because you don't like the current state of things is just coping and seething.

@ohcrapnotyou7323 4 ай бұрын

print more cards per set but less sets all around. Just saying keep things around more than a month or so

@mrskittles6486 4 ай бұрын

Well I personally have still been able to play titanshift thru the years even tho it is mh constructed. Wish midrange didn't die in modern. Wish we didn't have this mh hell wizards has created

@hunterstrong3318 4 ай бұрын

Lets go grixis shadow

@jmanwild87 4 ай бұрын

I mean modern doesn't rotate. You can still play boomer jund if you want to and master it if you want to. The issue is that the aggro power creep from the modem horizons sets which is a different problem. Modem horizons are sets built to impact the modem format and they succeeded. You can argue they succeeded too well but that's a power creep issue. Something which every format grapples with. Hell the only thing I consider to be wrong right now is the format diversity and that's just a Nadu issue

@austro_hungarian_nostalgia 4 ай бұрын

Copium overdose

@jmanwild87 4 ай бұрын

@austro_hungarian_nostalgia you aren't removing anything from the format is the important thing here. If i play Amulet Titan or Yawgmoth or Living End i can still do that post MH3 and considering mh3 had much less egregious cards outside of nadu we'll likely get a pretty diverse meta game

@marcobiraghi 4 ай бұрын

@@jmanwild87 for every deck that survived or got ticked down by one tier, there are countless others that got annihilated, let alone the archetypes that had to change the majority of their shell in order to keep up.

@josehinostrozavasque 5 ай бұрын

Magic players are so dramatic. So, you can't use the same deck that you did 6 years ago? How is that a bad thing. If you want to play the same format over an over play chess or pre-modern (very few ppl like pre-modern btw).

@ZiskaR-m6o 4 ай бұрын

I was trying to get into modern instead I just moved to legacy since modern horizons is going to keep forcing me to change and spend big money for mythic rares so I might as while just by dual lands

@thisisobviouslybait 4 ай бұрын

The meta changing with horizon sets =/= a rotation. I'm not sure if you're disingenuous or just have issues understanding basic words. Every set that was legal when modern came into existence is still legal therefore non rotating. Magic players bitch more about the product they buy than nearly any other group of consumers yet they keep buying it.

@doc1739 5 ай бұрын

The idea of ‘non-rotating’ to me means I can buy the more expensive parts in the mana base, and maybe buy new pieces when new sets come out. Even happens in pauper.

@c0n5um1n973ff43y 4 ай бұрын

ok when do cards rotate out of modern. thats what rotate means. DAMF

@atldru15 5 ай бұрын

I love Pauper. However, the same arguments all apply to pauper. If you were playing anything other than walls combo, grixis affinity, or one of the burn decks 3 months ago, your deck is probably in the trash by now. I bought in to the format 2 years ago, bought 5 decks and they all feel completely worthless now except for affinity. Even mono U terror which i have multiple 4-0s with, feels like a throw if i register it.