The MOELLER Technique on Hihat: How to Create Fast, Autopilot 16ths on the Hihats in One Motion

[@Chernabog123]

I need to Practice this technique so I can play the Santeria groove

[@2string861]

Same! Also a ton of other Sublime songs that use 16th notes

[@Huelogy]

Been trying to play midnight rider by the Allman brothers band

[@skatertrev7]

Literally what brought me here

[@jhatcher2580]

@@skatertrev7 lol..me too!

[@BobTheStickMan5]

This is the exact reason I’m here

[@efafe4972]

Wait why does Anderson Paak or other drummers like that play moeller with a wrist motion?

[@weareallbeingwatched4602]

I kinda hate your implementation here... suggest you go look at jim chapin's demonstration again - just up down is not proper moeller, the point is to release the stick totally, completely relaxed and out of the palm, and *throwing* the stick with a *whiplash* adding *rotation* and *velocity* for the accents. This uppy downy thing is horrid. Chad Smith's locked forearm and stiff wrist badminton player's smash snare drum chop. Nah blud.

[@kc-vf4lp]

After watching Anderson Paak play Come Down I ended up here. I needed to watch this. Great video.

[@ruffryder13]

He also inspired me to play 16ths...tiny desk concert

[@superwesman]

@9:34 the slow motion really highlights the inconsistency in volume between the two hits BOOM (tck) BOOM (tck)...

[@fluffydragonslayer3688]

my drum teacher showed me the whipping motion, but i only go every two weeks. this will really help me shape it up before i go back to him! thanks!

[@samhilton4173]

That's it. I've been playing drums on and off for half my life and everytime I try to get back into it I cannot do this technique. No matter how much practice, this must be the 200th video I've watch on it. I must have retarded wrists because I could never quite grasp this technique or get past grade 4 drums.

[@philhurst1333]

Thanks for the lesson Stephen, very well explained. Two great tunes to check out featuring fast one-handed 16th's .... Jess Lidyard on Tubeway Army's "Are Friends Electric" at 94 BPM and my favourite .... Jeff Pocaro on Michael McDonald's "I keep forgettin' " at 95 BPM, his mastery of technique on this is just jaw-dropping!!

[@CooperDrums]

Yes I love the one Jeff plays on. That one is fast for sure.

[@aaron-of8zu]

Seriously though, this guy deserves more subs and views. Thanks for all your tips!

[@humbly-soalejandro6898]

This is hard to learn, it feel awkward, but thank you I'll keep practicing.

[@kohlemainen]

Very nice! Thank you! I'm starting lessons in my mid-50s and these videos are a welcome addition :)

[@billymakesmusic]

Stephen, thanks for a great lesson. I have been trying to figure out the 3 stroke motion with both hands simultaneously where the left hand is on the snare and right on the floor tom and you get this really nice triplet build used in jazz swing or shuffle grooves. I can do it but not at the faster tempos, say 140 BPM shuffle. A lesson on that would be greatly appreciated. God bless you for sharing and have a blessed Resurrection Sunday in Jesus name!

[@johnrobinson8323]

Thanks for the great lesson Stephen! That grip is a real eye opener. Awesome! How are you liking that Gretsch Renown? I was thinking of getting one .

[@NowOffTheClock]

I'm Conflicted btwn the Neck of the stick striking the Edge of the Hats as VERBALLY Instructed, Versus the Shoulder of the stick striking the Edge of the Hats as Seen in the VISUAL Presentation. ?? 🤷‍♂️

[@dumdedumdee9665]

Hi Stephen. Hope you are well. Another great lesson! These are the sort of techniques that we drummers need. Very grateful to you sharing your knowledge. Thank you.😊

[@pantra]

Thank you so much! Just the same day I finally get my e-kit's settings tweaked right and I start having fun again and I think "I should really up my hihat"

[@ashcurt66]

Out of interest what kit do you have and what are your sounds and settings please. Thanks

[@philipmcevoy7206]

Hey Stephen . This is awesome teaching man I'm striving like anything learn Moeller and your demo is making it easier to learn . Thanks for posting dude.

[@Mastiff37]

Tom Sawyer is 16ths at 88 bpm BTW, though he plays them evenly and on the top by the sound of it. Everlong is 158 bpm 8ths.

[@robertgerow670]

The verse of 99 Luftballons is 16ths at 94bpm! I no longer feel bad that I found it so hard to play.

[@Mastiff37]

@@robertgerow670 Run to the Hills is brutal too. Two handed 16ths at 173.

[@vickiwhite8017]

Also, Africa by Toto is around 93 bpm

[@paknotaris7518]

I agree with my fellow drummers. Very well explained, Stephen. Nicely broken down into its components with great comments crammed in. Thank you!

[@Huelogy]

Great lesson! On my 2nd day trying to learn this and I can't wrap my head around it. I can do double stroke rolls but I can't slow it down i don't know what I'm doing wrong

[@malamute8257]

I can already do sixteenths with one hand easily at 80 BPM, and even at 95 BPM. How do I get this technique up to 110+ BPM?

[@jojay6472]

I was learning Rosie by John Mayer and couldn't figure out how he was achieving those two notes with seemingly one motion. This was the key. Thanks for that.

[@greedfox7842]

so, real question: what if I can just hit the hat normally? I already know the answer, it won't sound correct... my hi hat hits always sound the same. normal stupid's use this technique and make a one and two sound that I have to relearn to play and work my ass of to match all you clipples. >:/ sucks I have to learn a shortcut technique to do something I can already to faster and better than most drummers, it's like learning to crawl after you already can run a 300m.

[@pdjtw]

Must it be Edge and Tip alternate? Or can it be Edge and Edge or Tip and Tip? (I guess Tip then Edge would be impossible or sth hahah)

[@SamTsungal]

5 Thanks I think I hit A Wall in ,y drumming too much shoulder. And I need to learn this technique but it's difficult

[@tmaddrummer]

Thanks and Blessings!

[@barrydrocknrail2231]

I believe this is Phil Rudd's technique on the "Let There Be Rock" album, with the quarter notes accented.

[@InnocentAbyssinianCat-eb7ge]

You're likeable like Simon the likeable from get smart but extremely annoying at the same time

[@juliandancingshadow4959]

That slow motion part, you set it off for your whole video. That was great it helps a lot. Hope do it for all your videos.

[@michaelinglis8516]

Just curious what size rack tom that is? Looks like a 12" but its hard to tell on video, the ratios can seem distorted for some reason lol.

[@thomasmoran1533]

I am sorry Stephen, but this is NOT Moeller. Your finger movement is backwards on your two stroke pumping/whipping motion. Fingers do not open on the way up, they close. Reference Chapin and Bruce Becker. Also your are not whipping the stick, you are pushing it. Your wrist collapses on your down stroke. That is not supposed to happen. Your hi hat is too low for your arm, your wrist should be flat, or slightly bowed down at downstroke position, not up. Watch your demonstration of Moeller Triplets that you played on this video, it's much closer to actual Moeller. On your double strokes. Your fingers are open at the top, this means they are helping your downstroke, your fingers need to open on the downstroke, so they can close on the upstroke. Wrist and or forearm turn for downstroke, close fingers once for upstroke going away from the drum. Your fingers are moving twice for each double, this is a waste of motion and energy. It is also not Moeller. Whether you apply it to Moeller 2's,3's, 4's. Or double stroke roll. Thanks for reading. If you have questions, please contact me "Watch for rhe squeeze" Jim Chapin

[@thomasmoran1533]

Stephen, I have posted on your videos a few times now. I guess you don't read any posts. Or, the ones that offer help when you are displaying and saying things that are just not accurate. I still offer free advice, I just want you to stop giving out misinformation. Thanks, T Moran

[@scooter825]

Do you have a video for pure Moeller on snare? Can’t figure this out after 30 years

[@scottross9023]

Right on, Stephen! I learned this from studying Phil Rudd. Wish you were around back when!

[@bacoraforever]

I have no issues with the technique only with hi-hat, but once I add a full groove I loose it

[@ezraterry4219]

Man thanks a lot. I tried to find this technique after listening to a song called lounge act by nirvana, I tried searching 8th notes with ghost notes and could not find anything.

[@warmblood58]

Love your channel Stephen! Older drummer returning to the drums after many years, some arthritis, etc. Is it possible to teach yourself Moeller/Gladstone or do you really need a teacher to correct bad habits in the beginning. Wished I had learned Moeller way back when, seems like the key to speed and easier on the joints, etc.

[@bigdrums9905]

Stephen, thanks so much for this, such a great and clear explanation, and the slo-mo shots are so useful - thank you :-)

[@insertmetalusernamehere]

I've watched Jim explain it, I've taken the course on Stephen Taylor site...I just don't get it. IM GOING CRAZY!!!!!

[@coolied2865]

HI Stephen and everyone. Is this like shank tip? I am self taught and got up to 90 for 20 minutes clean. Are there any play alongs on line so I can practice this technique? I like practicing along with someone doing it. I appreciate any comments. Thank You for any suggestions

[@anotheryoutubed]

16ths in Moeller are technically supposed to be Down-Tap-Tap-Up btw

[@td-12kx53]

This is absolutely the most in-depth and best lesson anywhere on the Internet regarding the accented double stroke molar 16th note hi hat pattern. Thank you very much!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@rokask4596]

SOAD - Aerials here I come 🤘🤘

[@alannajoi_]

This helped so much! Thank youu! Playing "All the Small Things" by blink-182 and this helps a ton!

[@drakausdromgatti58]

So your fingers arent actually doing anything. Your just letting the stick naturally fall back into position on the 2nd hit?

[@theunbanned4553]

I already do this. But I kept watching because I want to do faster 16's (two handed 160bpm) I'm trying to do this with my left hand, but it's hard to alternate between the two hands.

[@ronnieburton9593]

What's up buddy can you please go over tuning your drum set. It's a discouraging thing. Thanks

[@sparklyfiend81]

thank you! i can always count on you to break it all the way down to basics. most people skip over those things as if everyone already knows what's going on! 😊

[@tdrum21]

👌🏽

[@Karch.Dah-Veed]

6:00

[@Rochester92G]

Seems pretty legit. You seem to be doing it good. I'll try it, thanks.

[@luismartins6239]

Grate content thanks !

[@43veteran]

Здравствуй, Стефан. Великолепный урок. Спасибо !

[@nicolassantis5198]

I reaaally needed this

[@eldaniayala]

Thank you so much!

[@BallsackShredder]

2024 and still replaying this lesson over and over again. Such a great lesson, thanks Stephen!

[@SpiritMusicMeetups]

For hip hop or upbeat feel, reverse 1 + so edge accents on the + (ands).

[@mr.nugglas4397]

Question:: what's manufacturers are you using??

[@greedfox7842]

hitting the hats from the edge chews through drumsticks really quickly. :(

[@andrewjorissen1221]

Excellent explanation and demonstration. Thank you.

[@mtp04987]

Good info, if you had a little more light it would be great! Thanks

[@SavoPaddy]

Super Helpful

[@Karch.Dah-Veed]

So, I gave this "pumping" Moeller double a try and found it way more exhausting than just using finger strokes with a French style grip. All of these big arm muscles getting into the picture consuming Oxygen. What am I missing?

[@tundradude4894]

Sounds like your gripping the stick too tightly..loosen your wrist up and find the balance fulcrum he’s demonstrating and work your speed up from there

[@-YazidIrfanLubis]

My teacher

[@ladynim9433]

Beginner here…this explanation was the best-thank you!

[@seanpark1351]

Today's Stephen Clark mean mean pride!

[@richardedupre2018]

Your lesson have really helped me push through some sticking points. How can I get more lesson?

[@semags62]

Stephen, I really enjoy your teaching videos. You are very talented and I am a drum nubie, so thanks.

[@mehdikarbasian1186]

Du hast sehr sehr gut erklärt. Thank you bro 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@ratchetheros]

Barry White - Never Gonna Give You Up

[@jeremiahford1587]

I had my doubts about this guy and what he was going for, but in the end it all came together and was truly interesting

[@fp387]

Great breakdown. Never understood this technique until now!

[@chrisbonney1093]

You are a great teacher. Thanks for this. Very helpful.

[@jeremyhughes6485]

This is the best video I have ever seen on this technique. Covers all the aspects including the use of fingers. Well Done. I wish I had found this 5 years ago.

[@Silent_Gold74]

Dude your instructions are the best. Thank you

[@catoleg]

Wow that was a very useful lesson. Thanks a lot sir

[@ac27934]

What is the “stirring” motion on the snare at 12:26 called?

[@Huelogy]

How do I control the speed of the upstroke??

[@josephrivera3349]

This video is actually really good

[@bluetrain8602]

Nice piece of teaching! thanks a lot & keep it up

[@55bison]

Brilliant lesson! Thanks Stephen.

[@andrewcutter1785]

Great tuition- thank you

[@ddarkodev2923]

Awesome, thank!

[@andrew007s]

Excellent video!!

[@jgdevoe]

A great piece of drumming info to practice. Well done.

[@Gourgandise]

I love your channel because you have so many videos about hand techniques. And they're very thorough.

[@neilchastain562]

Excellent video!

[@xx_ilyash_xx]

What an amazing explanation. Keep it up!

[@anderseckstrand7033]

Dope sauce

[@davepoore1170]

Very helpful. Thanks.

[@jhenlim]

Cymbal setup?

[@saleemnesar8114]

Supper br tnx

[@nylophone5730]

What would you say are the advantages of this compared to a 2 handed 16th note beat?

[@stevencarreiro5080]

The main difference/advantage is in the essential feel of the groove. Two hands on hat 16ths tend towards upping tempo, hence a more "disco" feel. Far less low down, dirty swamp funk/feel to such approach

[@fr7718]

You can play cross stick rimshots while doing fast 1 handed sixteenth notes at the same time, the overall feel is better, and whatever hand you arent doing the 16ths on is completely free to do whatever it wants.

[@ashokkhade1252]

Thanku sir i like ❤

[@lzmr_7691]

My last name is moeller

[@billymakesmusic]

Not doubt you are a natural then!

[@akmofo]

Great explanation! Explains everything happening in such comprehensive detail. I've been struggling for months experimenting, and wondering if other people do stuff this way, and it's confirmed for me everything I've learned. Which I saw this months ago! If you can, please record with 60fps, it makes it smoother and easier to see you move quickly.

[@metapod666]

Would you describe this as two separate motions like a down stroke then an up twitch motion from the wrist? Is it still considered moeller this way if this is true and the second stroke isn’t coming entirely from rebound?

[@smgoethe]

Thank you Stephen, great lesson. What I was doing was like the first motion and 3 rebounds after, does not work that great 🙃. Will try to figure out what you just told

[@dfgvegas]

Great lesson thank you your time is appreciated new sub

[@stedankel]

I didn't even know there was a name for this technique, same with barking, even though I've been using them for years lol. Are these techniques hard to learn/play? I'm completely self taught and just learnt by playing songs I like so I have no idea what level I'm actually at. Nice to know I've been doing it right tho! Thanks mate!

[@tundradude4894]

Probably pretty low level if your just throwing stuff together based on songs you hear/like.

[@stedankel]

@@tundradude4894 Haha I'm at a pretty advanced level, pretty similar to Stephen, just don't know what specific grade I would be as I'm self taught. Never found any of these "advanced" techniques difficult, though it seems some people do? Pretty interesting.

[@thomasnappo6309]

YOU as a Drummer should demonstrate what you teach...you Never do..so basically your a teacher..and not a Drummer.