The Molding you need to STOP using on your jobs.

[@tiscitatascit]

70's was the beginning of the end of fine finishing. No more crafstmanship, no built ins, no window sills, no eves, no bay windows, no high ceillings, i could go on as someone repairing 100 year old homes for 30plus years our better carpentry days were a long time ago.

[@BrentHull]

Agreed. Thx.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

That's only partially true. As a finish carpenter with 35 years experience, I've done two built-in projects in the last three months(one being a 16'w x 9'h cabinet/bookcase) and a live edge slab/epoxy built-in bench recently. Some homeowners still seek out custom craftsmanship, albeit with modern tools. There are at least two custom cabinet makers in the small city that I am located in. Beyond that, the last home built by the company I work for had a massive great room with a 14' high vaulted ceiling. But yeah, for the most part, custom features are a thing of the past. Maximizing quantity over quality with the "cookie cutter" mentality, as I refer to it, is definitely dominant.

[@BarryHull]

Well great. We had our floors redone and they used shoe molding. Now that's all I can see! lol

[@BrentHull]

Shoot! Sorry about that. Maybe you can careful remove it. . . Good Luck.

[@rebeccaboudreau7589]

I’ve always hated shoe moulding! Ugh thank you!

[@BrentHull]

Ha, great minds think alike. Thx.

[@multidinero]

Now, if we can always work for good builders, then new houses wouldn’t be out of square… I would truly appreciate that!

[@BrentHull]

Word.

[@bunnylou4993]

@@David_Carlile Because current labor is the worst. Anyone with a hammer and a truck qualify as worthy to perform labor that takes some serious skill and thought. Sad part is they aren’t qualified to hang a picture on a wall.

[@David_Carlile]

@@bunnylou4993 that's no joke. I work mainly in the Fire Fuels and Wildlands Fire industry, but I get called often in the off-season to do stuff because I am uptight on things being square. I have seen guys that aren't even capable of reading a tape, let alone adding fractions and they mess stuff up bad. I firmly believe an economic downturn will weed those guys out.

[@bunnylou4993]

@@David_Carlile let’s hope my friend! Stay uptight, it’s what separates the men from the boys😉

[@Billybob-go8hn]

@@bunnylou4993 nothing in construction takes a lot of skills, it’s the people that don’t give a fuck about doing the job right, all they care about is the dinner they are having later that night.

[@will-smith-nh]

Great video. Always viewed shoe molding as a band-aid.

[@BrentHull]

Well said. Thx.

[@two4.six8]

I live in a 1920s bungalow that was moved into Fort Worth's Rosemont neighborhood in the 1970s. I bought it for $21K in the mid 90s because it was all the I could afford at the time. It had brown shag carpet and brown paneling on 9'3" walls. And it had all of the original doors and windows (with the windows painted shut, of course. I gutted it down to the bare walls and floors and remodeled it. I stripped, reglazed, and rehung the windows. But I didn't really know what I was doing from any historical perspective. I just knew that when I was done, things didn't look "right." The proportions were all off, but I didn't know enough to know why. Then I read an article you wrote about millwork and proportions, measured my walls, doors, windows, etc and realized that Home Depot simply didn't make trim big enough or wide enough for my needs. So, I got some lumber and made my own. I retrimmed all of my doors and windows, adding plinth blocks to the door columns and entablatures to the tops of the doors and window frames. And I made tall baseboards as well. Now, the proportions all look right, and you will be happy to know that there is no shoe mold anywhere in the house. :)

[@BrentHull]

Well Done!!! So glad to hear it.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

Your place sounds fantastic and I bet it's worth a hell of a lot more than $21k now!

[@two4.six8]

@@incognitotorpedo42 Ha ha! Thank you. Yes. At its peak, it was more than 10 times that. Prices have come back down a bit, but it's still worth far more than what I put into it.

[@michaelboucher3100]

Agree/totally disagree. If baseboards are that tight, obviously no need. However if you even need to consider discussing hideous , soon to be gross caulking then use an architectural shoe molding like the one I used throughout my house from Garden State Lumber. Its amazing and it’s profile adds to the architectural appeal rather than that garbage clamshell type from big box stores. I think the number is SH1 so check it out - and NO I’m not affiliated or associated with the company. I would drive 100 miles to get it if needed rather than that junk at HD and Lowes. Was just very excited with the finished look and wanted to share.

[@BrentHull]

Noted. I'll check it out. THx.

[@michaelboucher3100]

@@BrentHull I wish I could find a pic of my old house where I did complete new wood doors, trim, wainscoting, hardwood floors, throughout. Even though my house was only 10 years old, it was monumental work to get subfloor level. As you know, todays McMansion builders hide everything. Baseboards were as good as I could get but a slight gap in spots. I’d use that SH1 shoe molding any day of the week before caulking. It’s got a little architectural value which you may of may not like but a millions times better than quarter round on appropriate size baseboard. Be well.

[@jonathco1689]

Brent, your videos are so helpful. Thank you for all your work on these. Have you considered doing a video on on Cape Cod style houses?

[@BrentHull]

Great suggestion! Thanks for the idea. I'm shooting some videos in Boston soon, I'll try to do one on Cape style homes.

[@UHollis]

Love it, "shoe mould" and "v-groove t&g" live on the small level of the architectural underworld IMO.

[@BrentHull]

Agreed! Thx.

[@Shahrdad]

Most of the homes in my neighborhood are from the 1890s, they they all have shoe molds. Some of what the carpenters did with it is really really cool actually.

[@BrentHull]

Interesting. Historic shoe mold is often bigger. It would be surprising to me if they all still had the original shoe mold. That means those floors have never been re-sanded or restored. In my experience it is common for it to get replaced in the 1970's and later as floor sanding grew common. Thanks for sharing.

[@Shahrdad]

@@BrentHull You’re absolutely correct. The molding is larger, and the floors have never been refinished. They were hidden under wall-to-wall carpeting for almost sixty years, which protected them. They still have the original shellac finish, and I only have to paste wax and buff them once a year. They have a gleam that I have never seen elsewhere. I had assumed that they had been refinished but my carpenter noticed that they still have the original scrape marks on them.

[@SirDishs]

Yup my house too has probably original show moldings 1875. Pine floors look like they have never been refinished they just laid carpet over the linoleum rugs down stairs. And one room up stairs still just had the linoleum still down.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

One aspect overlooked here is how the base shoe or quarter round molding can be used as an accent. I did this in my own rec room. I made my own base shoe type molding that contrasts the 5" base. The casing also received an outside corner molding with the same contrast. It turned out great as all of the trim work has an accented border. I've gotten a lot of compliments on the look.

[@BrentHull]

Thx.

[@B.r.i.a.n.1]

Im with you. Im a finish carpenter and I absolutely refuse to install shoe anywhere that isnt cabinetry.

[@BrentHull]

Amen!

[@itaintrocketscience]

I'm with you. I scribe everything.

[@hmtrimworks7148]

I actually like shoe moulding because it creates another shadow line, but getting away from it… I would still use it on tile floors because to scribe a tile floor can be very painful depending on who installed the tile

[@BrentHull]

Thanks for sharing.

[@realbartlett8882]

I was told shoe mold was a regional thing and depends on when the baseboard was installed. if the finish flooring was installed before the baseboard then no shoe. If the flooring was installed after the baseboard the a shoe is required to cover the gap.

[@BrentHull]

Interesting, not my experience. Thx.

[@johnnysimes5082]

It's not required. Remove all baseboards, install the new floor, then reinstall the baseboards. I did this in my house. It looks right. Shoe mold is a cheap shortcut and it makes the house look cheap.

[@DennisKapatos]

I think the key is discussing expectations with your flooring contractor before hand. You tell them that there will be no shoe moulding and that you expect the baseboard to cover all expansion gaps. The gap of a very piece should be checked as they go with a scrap of the actual baseboard. I think too many times people are afriad of their contractors moaning. If that's the case find a different contractor.

[@BrentHull]

I agree. 100% Thx.

[@lizzapaolia959]

You and your wife have excellent taste. Beautiful house, thank you for sharing. 🙏

[@BrentHull]

Thank you so much 😊

[@toddeyster7557]

We are restoring a 1920 house with original floors, trim, and plaster walls. Our issue is both vertical and horizontal gaps. Throughout the house we have not disturbed the baseboards as much as possible because of the very thick, almost mortar like plaster on the walls and the difficulty of getting them back on. In places there are pretty good vertical gaps. In addition, the original wood floors do not go very tight to the walls so even after the baseboard there are gaps that need covering.

[@BrentHull]

I understand, there are houses and areas of houses that may need it. If the gaps are 1/4" or less i would caulk them, if they are greater than that I would apply wood shims. If you need to add a shoe mold consider something smaller or slimmer so that it is not so prominent. Good Luck.

[@nicholasmanovich4330]

Completely agree ! That's why I need to know a different way to cover the giant gap between our floors and baseboards...we own a home from 1903 with almost all original floors and moldings on the first floor. I've been trying to think of or find a way other than ugly shoe molding to cover that gap that that I can only assume is from our house settling over the years....i'd love some ideas please !

[@bighands69]

Is the molding original? Sometimes what people think is original may have been introduced at another point. It could have been fitte in the 1930s which would be pushing 90 years old but was not original to the house.

[@BrentHull]

My first thought is to scribe the floor. I'd also like to understand how big the gap is. Feel free to send pics to [e-mail] Scribing requires taking the base off, you could also cut shims that could be trimmed. It does require a fair bit of work but is worth it. Also, if your gap is less than 1/8th, I would probably caulk and paint. Thanks for your comments.

[@BrentHull]

possible

[@nicholasmanovich4330]

I was told it was original. And the walls are plaster so I really don't wanna take it off and lower it, although I agree that'd probably be best. Caulking isn't an option because the gap is about 5/8ths of an inch in some spots.

[@tombittikoffer412]

I can't unsee shoe molds now. I see them everywhere.

[@BrentHull]

Haha, yep. Thx.

[@HandyMan657]

Agreed. It also adds another crease to clean. A small thing, but it can certainly be a bugger from time to time.

[@BrentHull]

Noted. Thx.

[@theofarmmanager267]

I would suggest that the “mission” that Brent is on is to persuade more and more people to care about quality. That’s is quality from architecture right through to the last but one job which should be 2nd fix ( I don’t know if the US has that term but, for us, it means the door casings, the skirtings, window casings etc. the last job should be painting or staining or wallpapering. As an aside, 50 years ago, the idea of just painting walls as opposed to wall papering, was really rare here. If you wanted a painted finish, you wall papered first (initially, we had wood chip wall paper which was/is ghastly and then products such as anylglypta). Then wall paper on the walls just went out of fashion. Now, it’s started to come back; I think that great because high quality wall paper can do so much in the right place, in the right room. If you are having a home built for you or doing a renovation, then insist on having the right skirting for the style of house installed in the right order (after finished flooring). If you are buying a house with shoe mouldings already present, then you should proceed with caution in that the moulding when paired with a laminate floor, will probably be hiding an expansion gap. Yes, you need an expansion gap but a careful and thoughtful installer will take off the skirtings and place the expansion gap underneath. It will cost the home owner more in money (if you have people to do it) or more in time (if you are doing it yourself) and I understand that, like me 40 years ago, you are stretching your finances all the time to be able to do things. So, quality does cost. Always. Doing something well is a short term expense but should give so much pleasure from a job properly done.

[@BrentHull]

Preach it!! Thanks.

[@IstillHeartMyPrivacy]

Yes, quality is a lost art! So lost, in fact, that few homeowners know what to look for. It really shows up in the details, though. "Finish carpentry" is the term we use in the US for the carpentry tasks that are performed last in the project.

[@LeYuikin]

Thank you.

[@BrentHull]

Welcome!

[@LeYuikin]

@@BrentHull this my go to site for quality.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioSUgaCAmLaVq6M

[@hremaddox]

Thank you for this!

[@BrentHull]

Thanks for watching.

[@nicholaserkelenz6431]

As a self employed carpenter I agree with the idea of not having a shoe mould but im not sure its always as easy as that in practice. Sure in a new house you can build the floors flat enough to not have a 1/2" gap but in my expierience, where I work, new or not they are never flat enough that you dont need to scribe all the baseboard if you dont want to have an 1/8" gap in some areas that will collect dust and produce shadow lines. If you factor that in to the install through the whole house, that takes a huge amount of time compared to installing a shoe mould and bending it in there. I actually prefer to scribe but unless im working for extremely high end clients I find its very difficult to sell people on that.

[@bighands69]

Traditional carpenters when fitting in a house would have hand fitted and adjusted anything that was presenting too much of a gap. Trying to take modern engineered components and put them into places that are intended to have hand crafted features can be tough.

[@BrentHull]

Understood. We are always having to educate our clients. I would encourage you to tell your client why it will cost more, but that it will be better. If you explain that these values are important to you, you will most likely win a client for life. Thanks for your comments.

[@BrentHull]

THanks.

[@MAGAMAN]

An 1/8 inch gap below your base board can be a problem for both bugs and air loss. I've been reading up on air sealing my house to try to lower my electric bill and gaps like these can let a lot of conditioned air pass through the wall. They can also let attic air and dust and dirt/insects into your house, especially in older houses where the wall are not air sealed. I used to really be against the idea of shoe moldings, but if done right, they can actually look quite nice. That being said, if you have a historically accurate house, I would not put in shoe moldings.

[@BrentHull]

We typically caulk that gap for a clean look which also helps with air-sealing.

[@lizzapaolia959]

Outstanding video of yours. Couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for sharing 🙏

[@BrentHull]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Billybob-go8hn]

Unless you build a custom home they will always do trim before floor and you will have shoe mold every time. At least in my area but 6 inch trim with shoe mold looks better than 6inch without shoe with hard returns on all ends

[@BrentHull]

That's not our experience. Floors are always put down first here. Thanks

[@MovieNutter]

Googling howto scribe baseboard because of this video :) the long lost art of scribing....

[@BrentHull]

That will be an upcoming video. Thanks.

[@MarkR874]

I guessed it! Lol. I saw the title and guessed quarter round/shoe mold. But it is the trim detail that I hate the most. We avoid it at all costs. Even as a remodeler.

[@BrentHull]

Nice. Thanks.

[@bestpilot98]

Beautiful parquet wood floors, Brent!!

[@BrentHull]

Nice. Thx.

[@bradfry2259]

I'm a flooring installer in New Zealand and I will avoid shoe molding at all costs, there are a lot of reasons why it does get used. I will got to the extent of taking skirtings off if it means not having to use them.

[@BrentHull]

Nice! Good to know. Thanks.

[@jc2604]

Well said, Brent. Down with base shoe!!

[@cathyd.5408]

Our builder puts baseboards in before the flooring. Can't remove baseboards afterwards if tile floor due to material against it, and shoe molding covers gap.

[@jc2604]

@@cathyd.5408 Then they're doin it wrong. :)

[@cathyd.5408]

@@jc2604 I know it is wrong. Just letting you know how builders are cutting corners these days. This was Empire in Texas.

[@BrentHull]

THanks!

[@BrentHull]

Shoot. sorry.

[@kenmaira]

We just went to the Austin MA+DS tour, and one of the homes had a ton of shoe mounding, that didn’t even transition to the door casing. We blacklisted them from our future jobs

[@BrentHull]

Smart!

[@gregschoolland5551]

Man, I get it but I’m also a tad confused. Practically speaking, what about when you have a large built in cabinet, say an entertainment center that is paint grade. We typically install the cabinet first, paint it in place, then install the flooring against it, then cover the transition with a shoe moulding. Or a built in window seat. I personally kinda like the look. 😬 Also, Windsor one has a package we’ve used a number of times (I used it in my own home I built!), the classical craftsman, and it specifies a shoe moulding. I thought it was a nice look. A plinth bigger than the combined thickness of the base and the shoe. Wish I could include pics here.

[@BrentHull]

I get it. The point of this video is to share secrets of the past. These nuggets then encourage us to build better or differently. I would say simply because you are questioning your standard MO that I have done my job. I'm not going to sit here and say it is wrong to use shoe mold, but I will advocate that calls for a higher levels of craftsmanship. Which is great. Thanks for watching and for your comments.

[@jar944]

Does your Built-in or window seat example have baseboard or any floor level moulding? It would be scribed to the floor, just like a cabinet valence or applied toe kick panel.

[@gregschoolland5551]

@@jar944 our typical sequence is paint grade cabinetry is installed unpainted before flooring goes in. Then it is caulked and painted in place, then solid surface floors are installed up against it.

[@jar944]

@Greg Schoolland Cabinetry is all pre-finished here, I've only ever heard /seen finishing on site via the internet lol. Cabinets are scribed to the wall, valances / feet / base as well as the applied toe kick panel are scribed to the floor. The applied kick panel can be done after the floor is in if it's not in before cabinets.

[@jamesogorman3287]

100% agreement. Flooring installers are just one step above plumbers in the finish carpentry department.

[@bighands69]

Many floor installers are not a craftsman but fit products.

[@BrentHull]

LOL.

[@BrentHull]

True, you need to find the right ones. Like any profession.

[@Adksnate]

I think the shoe mold is nice if the baseboard I big enough. And not to cover things up but to add another layer of depth.

[@BrentHull]

thx

[@spayced]

100% agree. Whenever I see shoe mold I think "lazy job."

[@BrentHull]

😀

[@johnnyk6906]

is it a reginal thing? shoe molding is a must for that perfect finish look? it's like a base model SUV don't come with roof rail and cross bar but upper model does for the additional aesthetics and additional functions.

[@BrentHull]

Agreed!! Thanks.

[@robyarrow9690]

18 years ago when I remodeled my horrible 1977 ranch. I do not want my flooring contractor to use shoe mold you would’ve thought I was asking him to perform brain surgery. The only way they would install the floor is after I told him I would put the base Board in after the floor installation funny sidenote, the guy they have that puts in the shoe mold wanted to know if I wanted to shoe mold, mounted directly to the drywall. He couldn’t fathom the flooring job without shoemolding.

[@BrentHull]

Haha, that is funny! Good for you for fighting for that.

[@jacobecorder]

Nailed it!! I hate shoe molding also. I'd rather have a gap personally.

[@BrentHull]

LOL, me too!

[@j.frankparnell3087]

It seems like shoe molding appeared around the same time as vacuum cleaners became common in homes. Coincidence? Where a broom or mop would be unlikely to damage a baseboard, a carelessly used vacuum cleaner could cause all kinds of dents and scratches. Perhaps the development of shoe mold was to introduce an easily replaceable piece of sacrificial trim? Just an idea. I definitely agree that base moldings look much better without a shoe mold.

[@BrentHull]

Interesting. It wouldn't surprise me. Thx.

[@stephenseidl3389]

We're refinishing some original pine floors in two bedrooms in our 100 year old colonial. One of the rooms has a ~9in base molding that I think is original with a small (not original) shoe mold in front of it. I removed the shoe mold but I'm afraid of damading the 9in base molding if I were to try to remove it. There will be a small unsanded portion next to the 9in molding due to the sanding machine. Is the only option to hand-sand that line to get the clean finish?

[@BrentHull]

Hand sand or scrape. You can use a hand plane like a shoulder plane. Just some thoughts. Good luck.

[@jar944]

Unfortunately around here you have to do some gymnastics to avoid shoe mould. The new construction is always base long before flooring and its anywhere from 1/4" to 1" off the sub floor. The flooring contractors just lay short of the base and slap the shoe on upside down (3/4 side against the floor) to cover the gap. That leaves you the option of going to 1.25" thick base and hoping it covers or wainscoting with base on top. I'm OK with a ogee or PG profile shoe in those cases. Not much else you can do. I do avoid it at all costs though.

[@BrentHull]

Good! Thanks for sharing.

[@areznik2015]

Awesome advice!!!

[@BrentHull]

Thanks for watching!

[@truthserum5202]

Brent, I agree with your opinion of base shoe, but the reality is that most houses built today have uneven floors with dips and bumps that can be as much as 12" inch. So, scribing baseboards to make up the gap can mess up baseboard heights around the room and once they intersect. On a newer (well maid by a caring GC) house, then perhaps it's possible to skip using shoe moldings. When there's carpeting being installed, we always lifted the base moldings up 3/8" to 1/2" anyway to maximize visibility of the base molding. Then, if there is going to be tile installed, installing the base first solves that problem. Then on mid range track houses with builders who use small moldings, forget about scribing in the baseboards. I might also mention that I've worked on a few historically rated Craftsmen style homes in Pasadena and even they too have base shoe moldings in the rooms, sometimes with interesting details. But with 6", 8", 10" tall baseboards, there should be no reason not to scribe in the base. Yet, there it was - base shoe. So, we duplicated the detail and installed those moldings to match the rest of the home when doing a remodel or renovation.

[@truthserum5202]

The first line above I meant as much as 1/2" dip or bumps.

[@BrentHull]

Thanks for watching and commenting. While there is evidence to shoe in some historic houses after 1890, the historic precedent in the pre-industrial era so Georgian/Federal/GR. is that shoe is not common. I still think we should strive for greater craftsmanship and delete the shoe. IMHO

[@BrentHull]

Understood. Thanks.

[@barbparrish1506]

I appreciate your videos

[@BrentHull]

Thanks for watching.

[@JulienReszka]

Amazing amazing amazing

[@BrentHull]

Thank you so much 😀

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

My primary circa date is late 18th century and old folk traditions...There simply is not any such "goo-ga" in this work, and the few more detailed project also never had "shoe mold." Another Excellent...!!! video...

[@BrentHull]

Thanks for sharing!

[@David_Carlile]

Biggest struggles I have found: Foundation guys pouring foundations that are out of square by a mile and lumber companies that have wide tolerances. It's maddening when you get a lumber package and your 2x material has a 1/2-3/4" tolerance. I messed up my addition because I wasn't paying attention and put a few 2x11 joists between 2 x 11 3/4 joists. Didn't see it until we lifted that wall up and could see daylight coming in underneath. I'm pretty sure my kids can take a bath in that trough. It still doesn't have any base moulding.

[@BrentHull]

LOL, live and learn. Thanks for sharing.

[@josephtaylor6285]

What deep and ungodly shame I feel! I was watching this in the dark and with trepidation I turned on the lights to see what condition I was in…Shoe moulding is everywhere!!! I never paid attention to this unwanted addition to my household. 🧐Perhaps I will pull it out after the holidays….

[@BrentHull]

Good luck.

[@josephtaylor6285]

@@BrentHull 😂👍

[@Inlearningmode]

Hi Brent, I get so much enlightenment from your videos. We are finalizing our moldings for a house we are building and plan to use the WindsorOne Colonial Revival series which does come with a shoe mold. I like it but if it is not necessary I'm willing to forgo it. Since you designed the series, did you put it there for a particular reason?

[@BrentHull]

Sounds great! We used historic precedent and Windsor does want to make money. HAHA. I would use their package and forego the shoe mold. Thx

[@phillipstephens4522]

I own a house my parents bought that has shoe molding and I absolutely Loathe.. I am going from room to room taking out the shoe mold.

[@BrentHull]

Awesome! Thanks

[@MNnytrorider]

I just put up Raised panel wainscoting in my house. Should I put a baseboard on the bottom of the waistcoat?

[@BrentHull]

There is historic precedent for both. It really depends on the period and style of your home. I would also say it depends on the width of your bottom rail. I think either the bottom rail of the wainscot is tall enough or adding a base will help ground it visually. Happy to look at pics if you want to send them to me. [e-mail]

[@MNnytrorider]

@@BrentHull I send you an email. Thanks so much.

[@Clark-Mills]

We had to look up what a "Shoe Molding" was... We had an idea by video end but wanted something definitive. Just FYI for future videos it might help your audience to understand. Thanks as ever. PS: We especially love the "Sketchy Fix-em-Uppers" too.

[@BrentHull]

Got it. Thanks.

[@antonrizzo6750]

Agreed all these fine details disappeared in the 60s and 70s, but to be fair, these craftsmanship details are now very stuffy and exxie, who can afford a standard house let alone high quality period features

[@BrentHull]

Buy an old house, your money goes a lot farther.

[@whitefeather5629]

Pull the baseboards off if you're remodeling or re-flooring. Get a good razor and cut the paint or caulk these days. A couple small prybars. Take your time. It's a better looking job.

[@brandonfrancey5592]

Flooring installers don't have time for that and customers aren't willing to pay for that.

[@BrentHull]

I disagree. You just need to educate your client and explain how we are fighting for better craftsmanship.

[@BrentHull]

Agreed.

[@SolitaryMaverick]

Most new homes(unless custom) are built by unskilled workers. Shoe molding is relied on to correct mistakes.

[@BrentHull]

It's a bad habit we need to break.

[@ThePerpetualStudent]

Hear hear!!! Hate shoe molding.

[@BrentHull]

😀

[@alandavis7736]

The ceilings were 12--14’ high and large molding

[@BrentHull]

Thanks.

[@ncooty]

Exactly, the flooring guys use it to cover up sloppy work.

[@BrentHull]

Agreed. Thx

[@tiscitatascit]

Any 2.5" casing of any kind.

[@BrentHull]

Agreed. Thx.

[@bradleymasson1777]

Years ago I was working on a job and for some reason we needed a thinner than standard shoe molding which is 3/4×1/2". We made our own at 3/4×3/8". What a difference just 1/8" made. It looked more refined and less chunky. It almost dissapeared. It certainly didn't draw attention to itself.

[@BrentHull]

Great start! I think that is a great solution.

[@pitsnipe5559]

I don’t know, I kinda like the look of shoe mold. But then again I’m not a professional, just a DYIer whose only remodeled two houses and built one.

[@BrentHull]

Ok, good to know. Thanks for watching.

[@pitsnipe5559]

@@BrentHull Brent, hope you didn’t take my comment as snarky. Was trying to emphasize that I was no where near a pro. Agree about how using shoe mold with small base looks bad. In our current house, contractor built, they used a four inch base and a 3/4 inch quarter round for a shoe. Needless to say it doesn’t look good. In the house we built, reproduction of a 1920’s craftsman, I used a six inch, two piece base and a 1/2 inch shoe, looked pretty good. I didn’t use a plinth block on the door casing, which was a mistake. Also learned not to use MDF for trim.

[@rsharpe1985]

I love the channel I wish I had just a 1/16 of the knowledge for historical architecture. Man I would love to see a series or include a link sometime to the top books and catalogs you would recommend for each historical era. That would be a great asset for a craftsman like myself to see a list of books and catalogs to be able to purchase and reference for future projects. A list would be great to be able to show future clients to come up with some creative ideas and designs.

[@BrentHull]

Working on it! Thanks!

[@jla3772]

I concur

[@BrentHull]

Ok! Thanks!

[@bryanmise1884]

Amen!!!

[@BrentHull]

THanks!

[@rebeccastokes4956]

I have always hated shoe molding! But everyone was using it! I will never use it!

[@BrentHull]

Good for you! I'm with you.

[@BeenThereDundas]

More or less just comes down to the clients wallet. The home owners would rather save the money buying shoe than having to pay for the labour to scribe all the base in the entire house. It is quite of a sad decision but its it is an understand one. Even homeowners buying historic homes are mainly just using them for shells anyways, Very little is being restored and it really kills me inside. I've had to rip out far too precision carpentry just to replace it with flat white drywall walls. it devastating to say the least. Im come to release not many people haver ,much interest in trying to preserve or at least update the past huge fan of what your doing and i wish there were more like you. Even rarer once you ger to my generation and younger.

[@bighands69]

But why install engineered fittings that cost money but do not look that good? It is like certain people trying to make them self were a certain type of clothing that does not suit them.

[@BrentHull]

Thanks for sharing. I run into the same issues. It requires education and reminding people/clients/craftsmen how it should be. It is a message I always am sharing. B

[@BrentHull]

THx

[@paigest77]

Huh, my 1904 Victorian has quarter round shoe mould

[@BrentHull]

The question is when was it added? Or is it original. Some are I just don't think it is most.

[@paigest77]

@@BrentHull yeah, it's original! Denver street car suburb, middle class Victorian, starting to pick up craftsman influence in the trim. I'll have to check my neighbors houses by the same builder and see if they have it. Of course it's on a 10" baseboard so it doesn't overwhelm it, like in your modern example.

[@robgerman7105]

I disagree on the shoe molding. When resurfacing a wood floor, thickness is lost. Take it up before the work, and nail it to fit after. It's a lot easier and cheaper to replace or repair than a full base molding. You can make a shoe-less base molding look great when new, but what about in a hundred years? A century of paint or wallpaper? They'll have to rebuild the bottom of the wall.

[@BrentHull]

ok

[@samd7601]

As I prep for shoe...😔

[@BrentHull]

Shoot. next time.

[@oldskoolwayy]

I can't lie so much dirt get trapped under the base without shoe moulding..i don't have shoe moulding and so much dirt be hiding under it..and a shoe moulding helps me not marr the base when I am pushing furniture to the wall or a chair

[@bighands69]

Get a good vacuum, small cleaning brushes and stay on top of it.

[@BrentHull]

If you caulk that gap and paint well, you will not have a dirt trip and have a better looking trim connection. Thanks.

[@BrentHull]

true

[@Yes..........]

Come home and kick off my shoes. Now I have to kick off the shoes of my home. ;)

[@BrentHull]

True but worth it. Thanks.

[@samuelfloyd5072]

I realize that you are going for historic precedents, however, as a remodeler of more standard homes, absolutely every floor sags, and there is variation everywhere the homeowners will attempt to remove baseboard and put it back on and do it poorly. Most people are not competent, and there is a lack of skilled people in the trades. Yes, it might be better in a perfectly flat house not to have shoe mold however, at this point it’s expected and noticed when it’s missing. your more basic homes are really better off with shoe mold unless you’re just trying to match some historic home. I don’t see why you would leave it off.

[@BrentHull]

Thanks for the comment.

[@jeffjackson3356]

Baseboard without shoe molding just looks unfinished.

[@BrentHull]

ok.

[@MrLuridan]

No way. It looks hacky to me with shoe. Edit for clarity

[@itaintrocketscience]

Fantasy... Everything is about production and making that quick money... Almost no craftsman left. MDF world now

[@BrentHull]

Not everything. There are still those who care.

[@itaintrocketscience]

@@BrentHull You definitely speak my language ( and much better too) The instant I heard you talking about the 5 orders I smashed that sub button. ( Roman and Greek architecture are my new found passion) you seem to be an Authority on the matter. Love your vids man!

[@juiceman1887]

Man I hate shoe molding

[@BrentHull]

Preach!

[@josephmerz2666]

Cool another rant on using shoe mold . Sometimes thats what it is . base doesn't always get pulled when flooring gets laid . I need ways to deal with what I have to work with . I cannot control what i cannot control . What i want is ways to use shoe ,or shoe options .Never 1/4 round ,feels fat and heavy . I noted in your presentation you showed a small molding with a cove . Maybe there are some others I can use a molding at the floor line tastefully in different situations .

[@BrentHull]

Yes, I should have pointed that out. There are alternatives

[@josephmerz2666]

maybe sometime in the future ,i am seemly constantly having to invent stuff on the fly .would love advice@@BrentHull

[@jeffburnette6810]

Just put carpet everywhere.lol

[@BrentHull]

Ha ha. Good one.

[@choimdachoim9491]

Probably 50% of house-building is cheap, quick production-factory and what you're talking about is only relevant to expensive or mansion-type buildings. Shoe molding is appropriate when the home-owner doesn't want or can't afford to pay for top-quality work. I've worked in several thousand homes where how the base-board contacts the flooring is of absolutely no interest to the inhabitants or the land-lords. A contractor goes where the work is and does the work wanted. Lots of homes only have a 50 year or so life anyway because they're torn down for newer or for city expansion. In an ideal world everything you said would be the rule of the day but reality says "shoe-mold."

[@BrentHull]

Ok. Thx

[@brandonfrancey5592]

For a 7 minute video I would have appreciated 20 seconds for a definition of what exactly you were talking about. Remember that not all of us are versed in the terms for every piece of trim, and regional differences can conflate things as well. I'm trying to learn but it's a lot to take in all at once.

[@BrentHull]

Understood. Thanks.

[@MAGAMAN]

If only there was some kind of international network of computers where you could look up the term you don't understand. This international network, or "Internet" for short, woudl be very useful for things like that.

[@scottyee707]

Sorry I love it too much but everything proportional

[@BrentHull]

ok.

[@jackww839]

Shoe molding was invented by the caulking people😂

[@BrentHull]

LOL>

[@MAGAMAN]

I made the mistake of listening to the caulking people to fill some nail holes in a door casing because I didn't know where my wood filler was. It made such a mess that I replaced the door casing because it was easier than cleaning up the caulking that got everywhere. No matter what I did, there was a grimy residue around all the nail holes. Never again.

[@donlourie769]

great content by poor video. The video should be looking at what you are spending to, not your face.

[@BrentHull]

ok.

[@BH-hy6ow]

Well, this video made me unsubscribe. These “never do this…” takes are silly and mostly click bait. I’m a successful remodeling contractor and finish carpenter. While I personally prefer no shoe, I’ve learned that some people like the look and specifically want it. some people don’t care either way, and some people don’t want it at all. I’m happy to walk them through the decision and make my recommendation, but it’s always an individual choice.

[@BrentHull]

ok

[@johnnytoronto1066]

Moldings are a sign of poor workmanship.

[@BrentHull]

Ok. thx.

[@colinglidden5702]

Blah blah blah..to each their own, why should everything be made the same.."just lioks better" to whom?

[@BrentHull]

ok