70's was the beginning of the end of fine finishing. No more crafstmanship, no built ins, no window sills, no eves, no bay windows, no high ceillings, i could go on as someone repairing 100 year old homes for 30plus years our better carpentry days were a long time ago.
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Agreed. Thx.
@nonprogrediestregredi17115 ай бұрын
That's only partially true. As a finish carpenter with 35 years experience, I've done two built-in projects in the last three months(one being a 16'w x 9'h cabinet/bookcase) and a live edge slab/epoxy built-in bench recently. Some homeowners still seek out custom craftsmanship, albeit with modern tools. There are at least two custom cabinet makers in the small city that I am located in. Beyond that, the last home built by the company I work for had a massive great room with a 14' high vaulted ceiling. But yeah, for the most part, custom features are a thing of the past. Maximizing quantity over quality with the "cookie cutter" mentality, as I refer to it, is definitely dominant.
@davidparker96769 күн бұрын
The 1950s was the beginning of cheap and boring construction.
@BarryHull2 жыл бұрын
Well great. We had our floors redone and they used shoe molding. Now that's all I can see! lol
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Shoot! Sorry about that. Maybe you can careful remove it. . . Good Luck.
@rebeccaboudreau758910 ай бұрын
I’ve always hated shoe moulding! Ugh thank you!
@BrentHull10 ай бұрын
Ha, great minds think alike. Thx.
@will-smith-nh8 ай бұрын
Great video. Always viewed shoe molding as a band-aid.
@BrentHull8 ай бұрын
Well said. Thx.
@multidinero2 жыл бұрын
Now, if we can always work for good builders, then new houses wouldn’t be out of square… I would truly appreciate that!
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Word.
@bunnylou49932 жыл бұрын
@@David_Carlile Because current labor is the worst. Anyone with a hammer and a truck qualify as worthy to perform labor that takes some serious skill and thought. Sad part is they aren’t qualified to hang a picture on a wall.
@David_Carlile2 жыл бұрын
@@bunnylou4993 that's no joke. I work mainly in the Fire Fuels and Wildlands Fire industry, but I get called often in the off-season to do stuff because I am uptight on things being square. I have seen guys that aren't even capable of reading a tape, let alone adding fractions and they mess stuff up bad. I firmly believe an economic downturn will weed those guys out.
@bunnylou49932 жыл бұрын
@@David_Carlile let’s hope my friend! Stay uptight, it’s what separates the men from the boys😉
@Billybob-go8hn2 жыл бұрын
@@bunnylou4993 nothing in construction takes a lot of skills, it’s the people that don’t give a fuck about doing the job right, all they care about is the dinner they are having later that night.
@realbartlett88825 ай бұрын
I was told shoe mold was a regional thing and depends on when the baseboard was installed. if the finish flooring was installed before the baseboard then no shoe. If the flooring was installed after the baseboard the a shoe is required to cover the gap.
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Interesting, not my experience. Thx.
@johnnysimes50823 ай бұрын
It's not required. Remove all baseboards, install the new floor, then reinstall the baseboards. I did this in my house. It looks right. Shoe mold is a cheap shortcut and it makes the house look cheap.
@jonathco16892 жыл бұрын
Brent, your videos are so helpful. Thank you for all your work on these. Have you considered doing a video on on Cape Cod style houses?
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion! Thanks for the idea. I'm shooting some videos in Boston soon, I'll try to do one on Cape style homes.
@B.r.i.a.n.12 жыл бұрын
Im with you. Im a finish carpenter and I absolutely refuse to install shoe anywhere that isnt cabinetry.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@itaintrocketscience2 жыл бұрын
I'm with you. I scribe everything.
@michaelboucher310010 ай бұрын
Agree/totally disagree. If baseboards are that tight, obviously no need. However if you even need to consider discussing hideous , soon to be gross caulking then use an architectural shoe molding like the one I used throughout my house from Garden State Lumber. Its amazing and it’s profile adds to the architectural appeal rather than that garbage clamshell type from big box stores. I think the number is SH1 so check it out - and NO I’m not affiliated or associated with the company. I would drive 100 miles to get it if needed rather than that junk at HD and Lowes. Was just very excited with the finished look and wanted to share.
@BrentHull10 ай бұрын
Noted. I'll check it out. THx.
@michaelboucher310010 ай бұрын
@@BrentHull I wish I could find a pic of my old house where I did complete new wood doors, trim, wainscoting, hardwood floors, throughout. Even though my house was only 10 years old, it was monumental work to get subfloor level. As you know, todays McMansion builders hide everything. Baseboards were as good as I could get but a slight gap in spots. I’d use that SH1 shoe molding any day of the week before caulking. It’s got a little architectural value which you may of may not like but a millions times better than quarter round on appropriate size baseboard. Be well.
@Shahrdad2 жыл бұрын
Most of the homes in my neighborhood are from the 1890s, they they all have shoe molds. Some of what the carpenters did with it is really really cool actually.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Historic shoe mold is often bigger. It would be surprising to me if they all still had the original shoe mold. That means those floors have never been re-sanded or restored. In my experience it is common for it to get replaced in the 1970's and later as floor sanding grew common. Thanks for sharing.
@Shahrdad2 жыл бұрын
@@BrentHull You’re absolutely correct. The molding is larger, and the floors have never been refinished. They were hidden under wall-to-wall carpeting for almost sixty years, which protected them. They still have the original shellac finish, and I only have to paste wax and buff them once a year. They have a gleam that I have never seen elsewhere. I had assumed that they had been refinished but my carpenter noticed that they still have the original scrape marks on them.
@SirDishs Жыл бұрын
Yup my house too has probably original show moldings 1875. Pine floors look like they have never been refinished they just laid carpet over the linoleum rugs down stairs. And one room up stairs still just had the linoleum still down.
@UHollis11 ай бұрын
Love it, "shoe mould" and "v-groove t&g" live on the small level of the architectural underworld IMO.
@BrentHull11 ай бұрын
Agreed! Thx.
@two4.six87 ай бұрын
I live in a 1920s bungalow that was moved into Fort Worth's Rosemont neighborhood in the 1970s. I bought it for $21K in the mid 90s because it was all the I could afford at the time. It had brown shag carpet and brown paneling on 9'3" walls. And it had all of the original doors and windows (with the windows painted shut, of course. I gutted it down to the bare walls and floors and remodeled it. I stripped, reglazed, and rehung the windows. But I didn't really know what I was doing from any historical perspective. I just knew that when I was done, things didn't look "right." The proportions were all off, but I didn't know enough to know why. Then I read an article you wrote about millwork and proportions, measured my walls, doors, windows, etc and realized that Home Depot simply didn't make trim big enough or wide enough for my needs. So, I got some lumber and made my own. I retrimmed all of my doors and windows, adding plinth blocks to the door columns and entablatures to the tops of the doors and window frames. And I made tall baseboards as well. Now, the proportions all look right, and you will be happy to know that there is no shoe mold anywhere in the house. :)
@BrentHull7 ай бұрын
Well Done!!! So glad to hear it.
@incognitotorpedo425 ай бұрын
Your place sounds fantastic and I bet it's worth a hell of a lot more than $21k now!
@two4.six85 ай бұрын
@@incognitotorpedo42 Ha ha! Thank you. Yes. At its peak, it was more than 10 times that. Prices have come back down a bit, but it's still worth far more than what I put into it.
@nonprogrediestregredi17115 ай бұрын
One aspect overlooked here is how the base shoe or quarter round molding can be used as an accent. I did this in my own rec room. I made my own base shoe type molding that contrasts the 5" base. The casing also received an outside corner molding with the same contrast. It turned out great as all of the trim work has an accented border. I've gotten a lot of compliments on the look.
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Thx.
@tombittikoffer412 Жыл бұрын
I can't unsee shoe molds now. I see them everywhere.
@BrentHull Жыл бұрын
Haha, yep. Thx.
@lizzapaolia9593 ай бұрын
You and your wife have excellent taste. Beautiful house, thank you for sharing. 🙏
@BrentHull3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much 😊
@nicholasmanovich43302 жыл бұрын
Completely agree ! That's why I need to know a different way to cover the giant gap between our floors and baseboards...we own a home from 1903 with almost all original floors and moldings on the first floor. I've been trying to think of or find a way other than ugly shoe molding to cover that gap that that I can only assume is from our house settling over the years....i'd love some ideas please !
@bighands692 жыл бұрын
Is the molding original? Sometimes what people think is original may have been introduced at another point. It could have been fitte in the 1930s which would be pushing 90 years old but was not original to the house.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
My first thought is to scribe the floor. I'd also like to understand how big the gap is. Feel free to send pics to info@brenthull.com Scribing requires taking the base off, you could also cut shims that could be trimmed. It does require a fair bit of work but is worth it. Also, if your gap is less than 1/8th, I would probably caulk and paint. Thanks for your comments.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
possible
@nicholasmanovich43302 жыл бұрын
I was told it was original. And the walls are plaster so I really don't wanna take it off and lower it, although I agree that'd probably be best. Caulking isn't an option because the gap is about 5/8ths of an inch in some spots.
@hremaddox11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this!
@BrentHull11 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@LeYuikin2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@LeYuikin2 жыл бұрын
@@BrentHull this my go to site for quality.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioSUgaCAmLaVq6M
@hmtrimworks71482 жыл бұрын
I actually like shoe moulding because it creates another shadow line, but getting away from it… I would still use it on tile floors because to scribe a tile floor can be very painful depending on who installed the tile
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@TateLandis16 күн бұрын
Brilliant! I couldn't agree more, we'll explained .
@BrentHull15 күн бұрын
OK, Thanks!
@toddeyster75572 жыл бұрын
We are restoring a 1920 house with original floors, trim, and plaster walls. Our issue is both vertical and horizontal gaps. Throughout the house we have not disturbed the baseboards as much as possible because of the very thick, almost mortar like plaster on the walls and the difficulty of getting them back on. In places there are pretty good vertical gaps. In addition, the original wood floors do not go very tight to the walls so even after the baseboard there are gaps that need covering.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
I understand, there are houses and areas of houses that may need it. If the gaps are 1/4" or less i would caulk them, if they are greater than that I would apply wood shims. If you need to add a shoe mold consider something smaller or slimmer so that it is not so prominent. Good Luck.
@DennisKapatos6 ай бұрын
I think the key is discussing expectations with your flooring contractor before hand. You tell them that there will be no shoe moulding and that you expect the baseboard to cover all expansion gaps. The gap of a very piece should be checked as they go with a scrap of the actual baseboard. I think too many times people are afriad of their contractors moaning. If that's the case find a different contractor.
@BrentHull6 ай бұрын
I agree. 100% Thx.
@lizzapaolia9593 ай бұрын
Outstanding video of yours. Couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for sharing 🙏
@BrentHull3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@HandyMan6575 ай бұрын
Agreed. It also adds another crease to clean. A small thing, but it can certainly be a bugger from time to time.
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Noted. Thx.
@bestpilot985 ай бұрын
Beautiful parquet wood floors, Brent!!
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Nice. Thx.
@theofarmmanager2672 жыл бұрын
I would suggest that the “mission” that Brent is on is to persuade more and more people to care about quality. That’s is quality from architecture right through to the last but one job which should be 2nd fix ( I don’t know if the US has that term but, for us, it means the door casings, the skirtings, window casings etc. the last job should be painting or staining or wallpapering. As an aside, 50 years ago, the idea of just painting walls as opposed to wall papering, was really rare here. If you wanted a painted finish, you wall papered first (initially, we had wood chip wall paper which was/is ghastly and then products such as anylglypta). Then wall paper on the walls just went out of fashion. Now, it’s started to come back; I think that great because high quality wall paper can do so much in the right place, in the right room. If you are having a home built for you or doing a renovation, then insist on having the right skirting for the style of house installed in the right order (after finished flooring). If you are buying a house with shoe mouldings already present, then you should proceed with caution in that the moulding when paired with a laminate floor, will probably be hiding an expansion gap. Yes, you need an expansion gap but a careful and thoughtful installer will take off the skirtings and place the expansion gap underneath. It will cost the home owner more in money (if you have people to do it) or more in time (if you are doing it yourself) and I understand that, like me 40 years ago, you are stretching your finances all the time to be able to do things. So, quality does cost. Always. Doing something well is a short term expense but should give so much pleasure from a job properly done.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Preach it!! Thanks.
@IstillHeartMyPrivacy6 ай бұрын
Yes, quality is a lost art! So lost, in fact, that few homeowners know what to look for. It really shows up in the details, though. "Finish carpentry" is the term we use in the US for the carpentry tasks that are performed last in the project.
@jeecee39482 жыл бұрын
Well said, Brent. Down with base shoe!!
@cathyd.54082 жыл бұрын
Our builder puts baseboards in before the flooring. Can't remove baseboards afterwards if tile floor due to material against it, and shoe molding covers gap.
@jeecee39482 жыл бұрын
@@cathyd.5408 Then they're doin it wrong. :)
@cathyd.54082 жыл бұрын
@@jeecee3948 I know it is wrong. Just letting you know how builders are cutting corners these days. This was Empire in Texas.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
THanks!
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Shoot. sorry.
@nicholaserkelenz64312 жыл бұрын
As a self employed carpenter I agree with the idea of not having a shoe mould but im not sure its always as easy as that in practice. Sure in a new house you can build the floors flat enough to not have a 1/2" gap but in my expierience, where I work, new or not they are never flat enough that you dont need to scribe all the baseboard if you dont want to have an 1/8" gap in some areas that will collect dust and produce shadow lines. If you factor that in to the install through the whole house, that takes a huge amount of time compared to installing a shoe mould and bending it in there. I actually prefer to scribe but unless im working for extremely high end clients I find its very difficult to sell people on that.
@bighands692 жыл бұрын
Traditional carpenters when fitting in a house would have hand fitted and adjusted anything that was presenting too much of a gap. Trying to take modern engineered components and put them into places that are intended to have hand crafted features can be tough.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Understood. We are always having to educate our clients. I would encourage you to tell your client why it will cost more, but that it will be better. If you explain that these values are important to you, you will most likely win a client for life. Thanks for your comments.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
THanks.
@Billybob-go8hn2 жыл бұрын
Unless you build a custom home they will always do trim before floor and you will have shoe mold every time. At least in my area but 6 inch trim with shoe mold looks better than 6inch without shoe with hard returns on all ends
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
That's not our experience. Floors are always put down first here. Thanks
@MovieNutter2 жыл бұрын
Googling howto scribe baseboard because of this video :) the long lost art of scribing....
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
That will be an upcoming video. Thanks.
@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын
An 1/8 inch gap below your base board can be a problem for both bugs and air loss. I've been reading up on air sealing my house to try to lower my electric bill and gaps like these can let a lot of conditioned air pass through the wall. They can also let attic air and dust and dirt/insects into your house, especially in older houses where the wall are not air sealed. I used to really be against the idea of shoe moldings, but if done right, they can actually look quite nice. That being said, if you have a historically accurate house, I would not put in shoe moldings.
@BrentHull Жыл бұрын
We typically caulk that gap for a clean look which also helps with air-sealing.
@jamesogorman32872 жыл бұрын
100% agreement. Flooring installers are just one step above plumbers in the finish carpentry department.
@bighands692 жыл бұрын
Many floor installers are not a craftsman but fit products.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
LOL.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
True, you need to find the right ones. Like any profession.
@kenmaira2 жыл бұрын
We just went to the Austin MA+DS tour, and one of the homes had a ton of shoe mounding, that didn’t even transition to the door casing. We blacklisted them from our future jobs
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Smart!
@MarkR874 Жыл бұрын
I guessed it! Lol. I saw the title and guessed quarter round/shoe mold. But it is the trim detail that I hate the most. We avoid it at all costs. Even as a remodeler.
@BrentHull Жыл бұрын
Nice. Thanks.
@spayced2 жыл бұрын
100% agree. Whenever I see shoe mold I think "lazy job."
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
😀
@areznik2015 Жыл бұрын
Awesome advice!!!
@BrentHull Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Clark-Mills Жыл бұрын
We had to look up what a "Shoe Molding" was... We had an idea by video end but wanted something definitive. Just FYI for future videos it might help your audience to understand. Thanks as ever. PS: We especially love the "Sketchy Fix-em-Uppers" too.
@BrentHull Жыл бұрын
Got it. Thanks.
@JulienReszka2 жыл бұрын
Amazing amazing amazing
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@barbparrish15065 ай бұрын
I appreciate your videos
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@tristanmarshall56334 күн бұрын
This one hurts! I certainly agree new builds shouldn’t have shoe. However in 1920s build, I ripped up carpet in the entire home, refinished all the floors, and the edger can only get too close. With 8x1 baseboard (that also wasn’t touching flooring in most places) what other option would I have had instead of shoe? The only option I can think of is removing ALL of the baseboards prior to sanding, then reinstalling. This would have been a massive amount of time added for a one man job.
@BrentHull3 күн бұрын
Ok, if you need it, you need it. I'm really fighting against shoe where it is not needed. Thx.
@johnnyk69062 жыл бұрын
is it a reginal thing? shoe molding is a must for that perfect finish look? it's like a base model SUV don't come with roof rail and cross bar but upper model does for the additional aesthetics and additional functions.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!! Thanks.
@rsharpe19852 жыл бұрын
I love the channel I wish I had just a 1/16 of the knowledge for historical architecture. Man I would love to see a series or include a link sometime to the top books and catalogs you would recommend for each historical era. That would be a great asset for a craftsman like myself to see a list of books and catalogs to be able to purchase and reference for future projects. A list would be great to be able to show future clients to come up with some creative ideas and designs.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Working on it! Thanks!
@jacobecorder2 жыл бұрын
Nailed it!! I hate shoe molding also. I'd rather have a gap personally.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
LOL, me too!
@Adksnate5 ай бұрын
I think the shoe mold is nice if the baseboard I big enough. And not to cover things up but to add another layer of depth.
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
thx
@truthserum52022 жыл бұрын
Brent, I agree with your opinion of base shoe, but the reality is that most houses built today have uneven floors with dips and bumps that can be as much as 12" inch. So, scribing baseboards to make up the gap can mess up baseboard heights around the room and once they intersect. On a newer (well maid by a caring GC) house, then perhaps it's possible to skip using shoe moldings. When there's carpeting being installed, we always lifted the base moldings up 3/8" to 1/2" anyway to maximize visibility of the base molding. Then, if there is going to be tile installed, installing the base first solves that problem. Then on mid range track houses with builders who use small moldings, forget about scribing in the baseboards. I might also mention that I've worked on a few historically rated Craftsmen style homes in Pasadena and even they too have base shoe moldings in the rooms, sometimes with interesting details. But with 6", 8", 10" tall baseboards, there should be no reason not to scribe in the base. Yet, there it was - base shoe. So, we duplicated the detail and installed those moldings to match the rest of the home when doing a remodel or renovation.
@truthserum52022 жыл бұрын
The first line above I meant as much as 1/2" dip or bumps.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting. While there is evidence to shoe in some historic houses after 1890, the historic precedent in the pre-industrial era so Georgian/Federal/GR. is that shoe is not common. I still think we should strive for greater craftsmanship and delete the shoe. IMHO
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Understood. Thanks.
@bradfry22592 жыл бұрын
I'm a flooring installer in New Zealand and I will avoid shoe molding at all costs, there are a lot of reasons why it does get used. I will got to the extent of taking skirtings off if it means not having to use them.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Good to know. Thanks.
@gregschoolland55512 жыл бұрын
Man, I get it but I’m also a tad confused. Practically speaking, what about when you have a large built in cabinet, say an entertainment center that is paint grade. We typically install the cabinet first, paint it in place, then install the flooring against it, then cover the transition with a shoe moulding. Or a built in window seat. I personally kinda like the look. 😬 Also, Windsor one has a package we’ve used a number of times (I used it in my own home I built!), the classical craftsman, and it specifies a shoe moulding. I thought it was a nice look. A plinth bigger than the combined thickness of the base and the shoe. Wish I could include pics here.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
I get it. The point of this video is to share secrets of the past. These nuggets then encourage us to build better or differently. I would say simply because you are questioning your standard MO that I have done my job. I'm not going to sit here and say it is wrong to use shoe mold, but I will advocate that calls for a higher levels of craftsmanship. Which is great. Thanks for watching and for your comments.
@jar9442 жыл бұрын
Does your Built-in or window seat example have baseboard or any floor level moulding? It would be scribed to the floor, just like a cabinet valence or applied toe kick panel.
@gregschoolland55512 жыл бұрын
@@jar944 our typical sequence is paint grade cabinetry is installed unpainted before flooring goes in. Then it is caulked and painted in place, then solid surface floors are installed up against it.
@jar9442 жыл бұрын
@Greg Schoolland Cabinetry is all pre-finished here, I've only ever heard /seen finishing on site via the internet lol. Cabinets are scribed to the wall, valances / feet / base as well as the applied toe kick panel are scribed to the floor. The applied kick panel can be done after the floor is in if it's not in before cabinets.
@j.frankparnell30875 ай бұрын
It seems like shoe molding appeared around the same time as vacuum cleaners became common in homes. Coincidence? Where a broom or mop would be unlikely to damage a baseboard, a carelessly used vacuum cleaner could cause all kinds of dents and scratches. Perhaps the development of shoe mold was to introduce an easily replaceable piece of sacrificial trim? Just an idea. I definitely agree that base moldings look much better without a shoe mold.
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Interesting. It wouldn't surprise me. Thx.
@robyarrow9690 Жыл бұрын
18 years ago when I remodeled my horrible 1977 ranch. I do not want my flooring contractor to use shoe mold you would’ve thought I was asking him to perform brain surgery. The only way they would install the floor is after I told him I would put the base Board in after the floor installation funny sidenote, the guy they have that puts in the shoe mold wanted to know if I wanted to shoe mold, mounted directly to the drywall. He couldn’t fathom the flooring job without shoemolding.
@BrentHull Жыл бұрын
Haha, that is funny! Good for you for fighting for that.
@jar9442 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately around here you have to do some gymnastics to avoid shoe mould. The new construction is always base long before flooring and its anywhere from 1/4" to 1" off the sub floor. The flooring contractors just lay short of the base and slap the shoe on upside down (3/4 side against the floor) to cover the gap. That leaves you the option of going to 1.25" thick base and hoping it covers or wainscoting with base on top. I'm OK with a ogee or PG profile shoe in those cases. Not much else you can do. I do avoid it at all costs though.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Good! Thanks for sharing.
@bradleymasson17772 жыл бұрын
Years ago I was working on a job and for some reason we needed a thinner than standard shoe molding which is 3/4×1/2". We made our own at 3/4×3/8". What a difference just 1/8" made. It looked more refined and less chunky. It almost dissapeared. It certainly didn't draw attention to itself.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Great start! I think that is a great solution.
@Inlearningmode11 ай бұрын
Hi Brent, I get so much enlightenment from your videos. We are finalizing our moldings for a house we are building and plan to use the WindsorOne Colonial Revival series which does come with a shoe mold. I like it but if it is not necessary I'm willing to forgo it. Since you designed the series, did you put it there for a particular reason?
@BrentHull11 ай бұрын
Sounds great! We used historic precedent and Windsor does want to make money. HAHA. I would use their package and forego the shoe mold. Thx
@ThePerpetualStudent2 жыл бұрын
Hear hear!!! Hate shoe molding.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
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@MNnytrorider2 жыл бұрын
I just put up Raised panel wainscoting in my house. Should I put a baseboard on the bottom of the waistcoat?
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
There is historic precedent for both. It really depends on the period and style of your home. I would also say it depends on the width of your bottom rail. I think either the bottom rail of the wainscot is tall enough or adding a base will help ground it visually. Happy to look at pics if you want to send them to me. info@brenthull.com
@MNnytrorider2 жыл бұрын
@@BrentHull I send you an email. Thanks so much.
@josephtaylor6285 Жыл бұрын
What deep and ungodly shame I feel! I was watching this in the dark and with trepidation I turned on the lights to see what condition I was in…Shoe moulding is everywhere!!! I never paid attention to this unwanted addition to my household. 🧐Perhaps I will pull it out after the holidays….
@BrentHull Жыл бұрын
Good luck.
@josephtaylor6285 Жыл бұрын
@@BrentHull 😂👍
@stephenseidl3389 Жыл бұрын
We're refinishing some original pine floors in two bedrooms in our 100 year old colonial. One of the rooms has a ~9in base molding that I think is original with a small (not original) shoe mold in front of it. I removed the shoe mold but I'm afraid of damading the 9in base molding if I were to try to remove it. There will be a small unsanded portion next to the 9in molding due to the sanding machine. Is the only option to hand-sand that line to get the clean finish?
@BrentHull Жыл бұрын
Hand sand or scrape. You can use a hand plane like a shoulder plane. Just some thoughts. Good luck.
@jla37722 жыл бұрын
I concur
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Ok! Thanks!
@JayCWhiteCloud2 жыл бұрын
My primary circa date is late 18th century and old folk traditions...There simply is not any such "goo-ga" in this work, and the few more detailed project also never had "shoe mold." Another Excellent...!!! video...
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@phillipstephens45222 жыл бұрын
I own a house my parents bought that has shoe molding and I absolutely Loathe.. I am going from room to room taking out the shoe mold.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks
@David_Carlile2 жыл бұрын
Biggest struggles I have found: Foundation guys pouring foundations that are out of square by a mile and lumber companies that have wide tolerances. It's maddening when you get a lumber package and your 2x material has a 1/2-3/4" tolerance. I messed up my addition because I wasn't paying attention and put a few 2x11 joists between 2 x 11 3/4 joists. Didn't see it until we lifted that wall up and could see daylight coming in underneath. I'm pretty sure my kids can take a bath in that trough. It still doesn't have any base moulding.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
LOL, live and learn. Thanks for sharing.
@whitefeather56292 жыл бұрын
Pull the baseboards off if you're remodeling or re-flooring. Get a good razor and cut the paint or caulk these days. A couple small prybars. Take your time. It's a better looking job.
@BrandonFrancey2 жыл бұрын
Flooring installers don't have time for that and customers aren't willing to pay for that.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
I disagree. You just need to educate your client and explain how we are fighting for better craftsmanship.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@bryanmise18842 жыл бұрын
Amen!!!
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
THanks!
@tiscitatascit5 ай бұрын
Any 2.5" casing of any kind.
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Agreed. Thx.
@alandavis77362 жыл бұрын
The ceilings were 12--14’ high and large molding
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@antonrizzo67505 ай бұрын
Agreed all these fine details disappeared in the 60s and 70s, but to be fair, these craftsmanship details are now very stuffy and exxie, who can afford a standard house let alone high quality period features
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Buy an old house, your money goes a lot farther.
@SolitaryMaverick2 жыл бұрын
Most new homes(unless custom) are built by unskilled workers. Shoe molding is relied on to correct mistakes.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
It's a bad habit we need to break.
@samd76012 жыл бұрын
As I prep for shoe...😔
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Shoot. next time.
@pitsnipe55592 жыл бұрын
I don’t know, I kinda like the look of shoe mold. But then again I’m not a professional, just a DYIer whose only remodeled two houses and built one.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Ok, good to know. Thanks for watching.
@pitsnipe55592 жыл бұрын
@@BrentHull Brent, hope you didn’t take my comment as snarky. Was trying to emphasize that I was no where near a pro. Agree about how using shoe mold with small base looks bad. In our current house, contractor built, they used a four inch base and a 3/4 inch quarter round for a shoe. Needless to say it doesn’t look good. In the house we built, reproduction of a 1920’s craftsman, I used a six inch, two piece base and a 1/2 inch shoe, looked pretty good. I didn’t use a plinth block on the door casing, which was a mistake. Also learned not to use MDF for trim.
@ncooty5 ай бұрын
Exactly, the flooring guys use it to cover up sloppy work.
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Agreed. Thx
@paigest778 ай бұрын
Huh, my 1904 Victorian has quarter round shoe mould
@BrentHull8 ай бұрын
The question is when was it added? Or is it original. Some are I just don't think it is most.
@paigest778 ай бұрын
@@BrentHull yeah, it's original! Denver street car suburb, middle class Victorian, starting to pick up craftsman influence in the trim. I'll have to check my neighbors houses by the same builder and see if they have it. Of course it's on a 10" baseboard so it doesn't overwhelm it, like in your modern example.
@robgerman71054 ай бұрын
I disagree on the shoe molding. When resurfacing a wood floor, thickness is lost. Take it up before the work, and nail it to fit after. It's a lot easier and cheaper to replace or repair than a full base molding. You can make a shoe-less base molding look great when new, but what about in a hundred years? A century of paint or wallpaper? They'll have to rebuild the bottom of the wall.
@BrentHull4 ай бұрын
ok
@BeenThereDundas2 жыл бұрын
More or less just comes down to the clients wallet. The home owners would rather save the money buying shoe than having to pay for the labour to scribe all the base in the entire house. It is quite of a sad decision but its it is an understand one. Even homeowners buying historic homes are mainly just using them for shells anyways, Very little is being restored and it really kills me inside. I've had to rip out far too precision carpentry just to replace it with flat white drywall walls. it devastating to say the least. Im come to release not many people haver ,much interest in trying to preserve or at least update the past huge fan of what your doing and i wish there were more like you. Even rarer once you ger to my generation and younger.
@bighands692 жыл бұрын
But why install engineered fittings that cost money but do not look that good? It is like certain people trying to make them self were a certain type of clothing that does not suit them.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I run into the same issues. It requires education and reminding people/clients/craftsmen how it should be. It is a message I always am sharing. B
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
THx
@oldskoolwayy2 жыл бұрын
I can't lie so much dirt get trapped under the base without shoe moulding..i don't have shoe moulding and so much dirt be hiding under it..and a shoe moulding helps me not marr the base when I am pushing furniture to the wall or a chair
@bighands692 жыл бұрын
Get a good vacuum, small cleaning brushes and stay on top of it.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
If you caulk that gap and paint well, you will not have a dirt trip and have a better looking trim connection. Thanks.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
true
@rebeccastokes495611 ай бұрын
I have always hated shoe molding! But everyone was using it! I will never use it!
@BrentHull11 ай бұрын
Good for you! I'm with you.
@josephmerz26669 ай бұрын
Cool another rant on using shoe mold . Sometimes thats what it is . base doesn't always get pulled when flooring gets laid . I need ways to deal with what I have to work with . I cannot control what i cannot control . What i want is ways to use shoe ,or shoe options .Never 1/4 round ,feels fat and heavy . I noted in your presentation you showed a small molding with a cove . Maybe there are some others I can use a molding at the floor line tastefully in different situations .
@BrentHull9 ай бұрын
Yes, I should have pointed that out. There are alternatives
@josephmerz26669 ай бұрын
maybe sometime in the future ,i am seemly constantly having to invent stuff on the fly .would love advice@@BrentHull
@samuelfloyd507210 ай бұрын
I realize that you are going for historic precedents, however, as a remodeler of more standard homes, absolutely every floor sags, and there is variation everywhere the homeowners will attempt to remove baseboard and put it back on and do it poorly. Most people are not competent, and there is a lack of skilled people in the trades. Yes, it might be better in a perfectly flat house not to have shoe mold however, at this point it’s expected and noticed when it’s missing. your more basic homes are really better off with shoe mold unless you’re just trying to match some historic home. I don’t see why you would leave it off.
@BrentHull10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
@Yes..........2 жыл бұрын
Come home and kick off my shoes. Now I have to kick off the shoes of my home. ;)
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
True but worth it. Thanks.
@choimdachoim94915 ай бұрын
Probably 50% of house-building is cheap, quick production-factory and what you're talking about is only relevant to expensive or mansion-type buildings. Shoe molding is appropriate when the home-owner doesn't want or can't afford to pay for top-quality work. I've worked in several thousand homes where how the base-board contacts the flooring is of absolutely no interest to the inhabitants or the land-lords. A contractor goes where the work is and does the work wanted. Lots of homes only have a 50 year or so life anyway because they're torn down for newer or for city expansion. In an ideal world everything you said would be the rule of the day but reality says "shoe-mold."
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
Ok. Thx
@itaintrocketscience2 жыл бұрын
Fantasy... Everything is about production and making that quick money... Almost no craftsman left. MDF world now
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Not everything. There are still those who care.
@itaintrocketscience2 жыл бұрын
@@BrentHull You definitely speak my language ( and much better too) The instant I heard you talking about the 5 orders I smashed that sub button. ( Roman and Greek architecture are my new found passion) you seem to be an Authority on the matter. Love your vids man!
@juiceman18872 жыл бұрын
Man I hate shoe molding
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Preach!
@jeffjackson33565 ай бұрын
Baseboard without shoe molding just looks unfinished.
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
ok.
@MrLuridanАй бұрын
No way. It looks hacky to me with shoe. Edit for clarity
@jeffburnette68102 жыл бұрын
Just put carpet everywhere.lol
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Ha ha. Good one.
@BrandonFrancey2 жыл бұрын
For a 7 minute video I would have appreciated 20 seconds for a definition of what exactly you were talking about. Remember that not all of us are versed in the terms for every piece of trim, and regional differences can conflate things as well. I'm trying to learn but it's a lot to take in all at once.
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
Understood. Thanks.
@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын
If only there was some kind of international network of computers where you could look up the term you don't understand. This international network, or "Internet" for short, woudl be very useful for things like that.
@scottyee7072 жыл бұрын
Sorry I love it too much but everything proportional
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
ok.
@BH-hy6ow5 ай бұрын
Well, this video made me unsubscribe. These “never do this…” takes are silly and mostly click bait. I’m a successful remodeling contractor and finish carpenter. While I personally prefer no shoe, I’ve learned that some people like the look and specifically want it. some people don’t care either way, and some people don’t want it at all. I’m happy to walk them through the decision and make my recommendation, but it’s always an individual choice.
@BrentHull5 ай бұрын
ok
@jackww8392 жыл бұрын
Shoe molding was invented by the caulking people😂
@BrentHull2 жыл бұрын
LOL>
@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын
I made the mistake of listening to the caulking people to fill some nail holes in a door casing because I didn't know where my wood filler was. It made such a mess that I replaced the door casing because it was easier than cleaning up the caulking that got everywhere. No matter what I did, there was a grimy residue around all the nail holes. Never again.
@donlourie769 Жыл бұрын
great content by poor video. The video should be looking at what you are spending to, not your face.
@BrentHull Жыл бұрын
ok.
@colinglidden57025 ай бұрын
Blah blah blah..to each their own, why should everything be made the same.."just lioks better" to whom?