The Moment Death Battle Sought Redemption | Guts vs Dimitri Review

[@JonathanFrostathan]

I see a lot of people leaving comments showing how concerned they are about Death Battle's future. It's unclear, but I do feel more optimistic than most. That's why I left the ending note the way it was because I felt like it was written in a way that celebrates how far they've come. Though yes, I do believe that season 11 will happen regardless, even if it's gonna be released in mid-May like season 10 was. Also, I fucked up a bit at 27:11. When I say "people [who are] calling these newer animations janky", I'm referring to people who are saying Death Battle in general has bad animation and choose not to elaborate. If anyone wants to pick apart a specific episode and explain why they think its fight scene looks janky, by all means, do it! I do that, too! There was supposed to be a block of text addressing this, but my dumbass got too impatient with the post-production and I completely neglected how fanboyish this sounds. My b. Anyways here are the sources I cited: Guts vs Nightmare RT100: deathbattle.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CrossoverKing96/Road_to_100_Archive:_Guts_vs_Nightmare,_Iron_Man_vs_Lex Guts vs Dimitri Commentary (Member's exclusive video) Guts vs Dimitri Q&A from Hershel and DJTiki: ulltraguy.blogspot.com/2023/08/guts-vs-dimitri-q.html?m=1

[@marcusyates3044]

Dimitri: "I promise. I'll kill them!" "Guts: All of them!" "Guts and Dimitri: Down to the LAST ONE!!!"

[@CapsirusPrime]

I think my favorite part about this episode is that Ahreadbhar only breaks after Dimitri uses it 20 times. That is such a minor attention to detail and I love the episode a lot more for it.

[@RaccoonBroVA]

"Here's another angle to look at." Proceeds to show the shot of Dimitri smiling but flipped. Beautiful. Just a beautiful review all around that gave me an even greater appreciation for this episode than I already had. The future is uncertain, but I'm just as hopeful that Death Battle will find a way and continue to keep growing and learning. Here's to season 10 in the mean time!

[@metamaster5469]

Oh, PLEASE let them bounce back from the Rooster Teeth shutdown, I don't WANT Death Battle to go away...

[@uria3679]

I doubt that there is a lot of people who want DB to stay on the internet

[@metamaster5469]

@@uria3679 ...I doubt you're even remotely correct, what are you even saying? Most people are indifferent at worst. That's the literal most asinine comment I have ever seen in my entire life.

[@bubble_ross]

@@metamaster5469 i want death battle hgone NOW I HATE IT GRRR

[@metamaster5469]

@@bubble_ross Sounds like whiny butthurt fanboy behaviour to me

[@falcodd8712]

Well it’s back.

[@LaymoSupraymo]

Bro that part of the fight when Guts said “You’re making me go berserk” went so hard

[@nikeiyomiuri2728]

Then Dimitri turned to show Guts his cool symbol and said “Check out this fire emblem”

[@liljuddz]

You know what, transcripting the OST for your new favorite DB episode is a big flex

[@drewthelovable6809]

One thing I think is looked over is God’s hand, specifically what the name God’s hand is referring to since it’s a key thing in the lyrics. It’s obvious for Guts, the god hand is essentially the main villains of berserk (especially since Griffith joined). But Dimitri took me a bit to get, but I think it’s referring to Byleth, since he is kind of god. Specifically because Byleth giving Dimitri his hand is a big turning point in the Blue Lions path. Which makes the part about God’s hand “pushing us toward the end” take two opposite meanings; Guts it’s talking about how his enemies are trying to get him, but Dimitri it’s about how Byleth is helping him.

[@saltygibus5746]

Isn't his main weapon also part of the hand of a dead god or something?

[@notwesley9180]

​@@saltygibus5746 yes, specifically a finger iirc for Areadbhar

[@XSilver_WaterX]

In the end of the unseen episode, Dimitri DIES to the weakest God Hand, Mr. Giggle's.

[@gribblegrape6496]

Jonathan Frostathan and DigitalTy double release? Hello?!?!

[@door-kun721]

As the girl who adores this episode a lot (4th fav of the show), you popped off on why this episode is just incredible in every way.

[@juwanwilson7700]

Why is it when as soon as you tell me to close my eyes, thats when an ad played?

[@JonathanFrostathan]

:))))))))))

[@hypermariosunshine]

As Mr. Guts VS Dimitri himself (I basically pushed this matchup and comm’d the Brandon Yates track) I absolutely loved this. Going into great detail about the episode, and even pulling out things I didn’t even notice myself in the animation or analysis before, and I’ve watched it so many times and caught onto more and more things, and I’m still learning more too. Glad you loved this episode, I loved it too, it’s my all time favorite.

[@playstationarusu]

Wow and your name is Mr. Dmitry vs Guts? No wonder you loved this

[@MyNameIsNitrox]

20:20 LMAOOOOO THATS MY ART I’m so happy to see it used in a video, I am genuinely so so happy, love the video btw! ❤❤

[@JonathanFrostathan]

Sorry I forgot to credit you btw.

[@Arclor]

This DB has one of my favorite animations. Not only do they do a good job representing both fighters' skills and fighting style, they nailed some of the finer details. I really liked how Dimitri actually made good use of his polearm - he uses spacing, and makes use of the length of the polearm (apparent in the 2nd half when he stabs Gut's helm). He also doesn't only thrust with the polearm, and makes use of it as a cutting weapon a few times as well.

[@magnej1520]

Guts vs Dimitri is so goddamn good, not only did it come out on my birthday. But I got to share it with an irl friend who loves Fire Emblem and didn’t really care for Death Battle. I never expected an episode with a matchup in a vacuum I don’t really care about to be so special to me but thats what’s great about Death Battle ig, full of surprises.

[@jamesfrancisco8075]

I want you to know, at 33:11 when you told me to close my eyes and listen, I actually did, and at that exact moment I got a Price Line ad. I honestly thought it was part of the video lol

[@JonathanFrostathan]

:)))))))

[@wheatbread2944]

i watched death battle ever since i was a kid but i honestly fell out of it really hard around season 8-9. i just couldn't get into the episodes, the post-torrian new animators animation and ideas and writing just didn't resonate with me anymore, i just got bored of it i also can't deny, nintendo is my favorite thing to see in death battle, so the total lack of nintendo at all in season 9 just absolutely obliterated my hype and interest. then i heard "dimitri's gonna be in death battle" and oh my goodness. i ignored all the disappointment i felt from death battle. fire emblem is one of my all time favorite series. we're finally getting another nintendo death battle and it has a FIRE EMBLEM character. i was SHOOK and REALLY REALLY HAPPY and oh my goodness it got me back in all the way. the writing, animation, research, detail, everything. it was just. perfect to me. it was so fantastic i loved it so much. guts vs dimitri made me a death battle fan again. it's probably my favorite death battle episode of all time. i love it so much. i dont even know what berserk is.

[@mastergamingdude6191]

It was so nice to hear someone else talk about the scene where Dimitri and Guts both go ham. Its crazy when you realize just how much alike they are, and it builds up to one of the greatest "He's just like me!" Scenes ever made and i fucking love it so much! ❤ You definitely earned my sub with this vid!

[@HawkOfKrypton]

Finally got around to watch this video and honestly Jonathan.. thank you. Amazing work, amazingly edited, and just amazing message all around, you not only perfectly captured what its like to talk about the PEAKNESS that modern DB can bring, but if further fueled how much I hope we get updates on Season 11 soon cause I uhhhhhhh WANT MORE DB PEAKNESS RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH T0T

[@horustome]

Very much love the appreciation given to Guts vs Dimitri in this video. Even if I feel there are some episodes that resonated with me a little more than this one, I still very much greatly enjoyed it as among my favorites of the season. Guts had such a strong redemption compared to his last outing, and seeing Fire Emblem being in DB was very cool to see.

[@kinjorex101]

Common Jon Frostathan W Naw but seriously, this is easily one of your best Death Battle related videos to date. Breakdowns were solid, jokes got me cackling more than a few times, and even pointed out some things that elevate this episode even higher for me. Cannot wait for the full video on Season 10 as a whole, and if it's anywhere as well put together as this...well, you've already cemented yourself as one of the biggest pioneers of this community, but you'll be solidified as one of the all time greats in due time. Stay awesome!!

[@TheHearthGuy]

Haven't watched the video, but I just wanted to say this beforehand. Guts Vs. Dimitri holds a special place in my heart. After several years being disillusioned by Death Battle and the Versus community in general, I completely checked out of the show and everything surrounding it around Season 4 or 5, only checking in whenever a match up that was relevant to me popped up. One of those times was Ben 10 Vs. Green Lantern, and as someone who grew up with and loves both I was more than a little disappointed with how everything turned out. However, I glanced at Season 10 (I think I watched Dark Souls Vs. Skyrim, could have been afterward) until I saw Guts Vs. Dimitri show up and, as a stalwart Fire Emblem fan, I decided to check it out. What happened next, no joke, ignited a love for Death Battle that I hadn't had until then. I began catching up on every episode I missed, I began watching KZbinrs like Biff Weed, Nemesis, and of course, Jon. The video inspired me to make my own videos talking about possible match ups for every fire emblem lord, which turned into my most consistently successful videos and made me feel genuinely thrilled to be continue making videos at a time I was feeling disheartened by a lack of success. And it all came back to this episode. So regardless of how things go in the future, where Death battle heads, or how the community changes. I will always be grateful and inspired by this episode and I am glad that so many other people feel the same way.

[@charlesnguyen9272]

Although it is my number 8 in my Season 10 ranking, I believe Guts vs Dimitri is another awesome masterpiece in this season. Everything (analysis, fight, God’s Hand, and the ending) is awesome!

[@MetaKnuxXbeats]

This season is so good though I will say my overall thought on that in you eventual ranking video of that season, for now, I just want to say, man this episode blew my mind, especially that ending. Now well you excuse me, I will be waiting for DigitalTy to stream his Season 9 ranking. Thank you for the video, wonderful job as always.

[@FranTheNerd]

absolutely agree on every single point made, my favourite episode of all time. These two characters mean so much to me and they work together SO well. Seriously if you list everything they have in common it's...kinda scary how similar they are

[@legiaanh4828]

57:23 Did not expect a Fawful's Minion reference here.

[@LunaAndPals]

I love seeing people talk about this episode with this much love and appreciation. And you are SUCH A CHAD going over the counter arguments for the results conclusion. Fire emblem is a franchise I hold very near and dear to my heart and I met many amazing people because of it. So seeing the first Fire emblem appearance on death battle being met with such high acclaim is beyond words for me. Thank you for covering my favorite episode of all time with the love it so rightfully deserves. Black Eagles since Day 1!🦅

[@Right_Bumper]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who liked the episode a lot As for my favourite of the season? Possibly Rick vs The Doctor but that's mainly me just being a massive R&M fan (I wonder what gave it away) with my only real complaints of the episode being Rick's analysis was too short Rick getting caught by the Sonic Screwdriver twice in the animation was a bit weird alongside him letting the Doctor monologue. I got 2 of my most wanted episodes 2 seasons in a row 46:31 Shoutout to my comment getting featured and it's nice to see other youtubers in the video

[@Bartre_God]

Guts vs Dimitri is my favourite episode simply because it has a fire emblem character and I’ve asked for that for like 7 years and it’s just really good so the bias + being really good make it my favourite

[@longthornhenderson331]

Ive finally been given time to finish this and…. Wow! As someone whos neither a fe or berserk fan (but still loves this episode a ton) it was awesome to hear you gush about this mastapiece and go over how its so good with its sound design, animation, and subtle references! I can tell this episode gave you everything you wanted and more! It did for you what goku vs superman 3 did for me. Im even more excited to see your season 10 full retrospective (But I can wait I know that every chef needs time to cook peak) I cant wait to hear what you have to say for the other episodes! I cant wait to hear you go over their positives and go over their flaws and give me a new perspective on them! I love hearing different opinions then mine and hearing what you have to say about these death battles give me new perspectives on them!! Tldr: you cooked with this video dude cant wait for the next! Also :0 THATS ME AT THE END I MADE IT MOM

[@uria3679]

I feel like Death Battle is one of the handful of people who are starting to realize, just because your on the internet doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want

[@vaggos2003]

This.

[@alviabtahi5440]

WOOOOOOOO YEAH BABY! COMMON GUTSITRI W GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

So after this I watch digitalty okay now I definitely know my Sunday plans.

[@JonathanFrostathan]

SUPPORT MY GOAT!

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

@@JonathanFrostathan Who wouldn’t.

[@starcast3905]

Your new favourite is Guts vs Dimitri? ME TOO! Also, I love Hamlet and I’m a Death Battle fan I’ve never read Berserk or played Fire Emblem: Three Houses. But, after Dimitri’s analysis, he is one of my favourite characters in fiction

[@sapphicashley5124]

I wasnt expecting countdown community references in a death battle video not made by Ty, but colour me surprised. (Also very based for having Dorothea as your favourite Three Houses character, she's so great)

[@ArkhamMaster.]

I am happy you picked this episode to make a big analysis for considering I have no clue why people love it so much. I get that its good but as someone whos not really a big fan of either of them I dont know much about them.

[@vaggos2003]

Well, hopefully now you got some answers.

[@cortfun7775]

Finally finished the vid, great work as always. I don't have much to say this time aside from I agree with everything you've said, I made it into another video so look at me mom again, and the Sugerpunch shout out is based. I've been watching their stuff for years! Can't wait for them to return again

[@longthornhenderson331]

YES NEW VIDEO TO EAT TO! Also May I say Your voice is very pleasant to listen to! cant wait to finish this video and hear your epic opinions! And the season 10 full retrospective

[@kainingyao7873]

Another really good matchup with thematic similarity to Guts vs Dimitri would be Velvet Crowe (Tales of Berseria) vs Clive Rosfield (Final Fantasy XVI). Both of them are action JRPG protagonists from the 16th games of their respective series with a significantly darker tone to stand out, who wield blades and demonic arms on a quest for vengeance after a tragedy in which their younger brothers were killed and their aforementioned demonic arms manifested in the aftermath, only to discover that the circumstances behind the tragedies that befell them were not exactly as it seemed to them, and eventually come to terms with said revelation and end up struggling against gods who schemed to strip humanity of free will.

[@nova7931]

My only problem with this episode beside some of the animation is not using to other half of their connection that they were brought back from the darkness by people that they love only the sallowed by darkness It’s used in the gods hand with “what you got to lose, what you, what you got to lose” with the slight stutter of the second what you got to lose showing the have something to use So how do we fix this? The answer is we are gonna have to change the ending of the insanity scene that it still starts with them hear the voices of the dead starting to lose it but then hear the voices of those who’s alive telling them to stay alive and change the final line being something like “I will even if I have to kill every last one of them” then they go insane and it changes the final clash from to beast just trying to kill each other to two beast fighting to get back to those they need to protect. The best thing about this is that you only change one scene and the feel of the rest of the fight changes while the fight itself stays the same down to the ending

[@RealGarden428]

...Well I'll be damned. I honestly thought your new favorite episode was Scooby vs Courage since I've heard you express how much you love that episode before. But for real, this is such an amazing analysis of this episode. Guts vs Dimitri is an episode that means a lot to me because it's what got me to become a Fire Emblem fan (which is impressive considering I've been a Smash fan since Brawl), made me interested in checking out Berserk, and how's it's just a phenomenal episode with an incredible fight, with the last minute of it having two of my favorite scenes in all of death battle. It's currently in my top 4 favorite episodes of all time behind Goku vs Superman 3, Dante vs Bayonetta, and Dio vs Alucard. Also, I just wanted to express that your videos have been some of the best DB related videos I have ever seen. The superb editing and the attention to detail when your analyzing something make for a fun watch every time. I can't wait to see how you rank season 10 with that in mind. But wait, you said that Winter is the best season when it's clearly the worst and Fall stomps on all fronts so nvm, 0/10 video, will not be seeing the season 10 ranking.

[@huntercoleman4050]

I'm going to be honest I'm not even a big fire emblem or berserk fan But this episode is easily in my top five of all time so that shows how good it is.

[@grumpo89]

I remember when I first watched it, when the fight ended, I legitimately stood up, clapped, and announced out loud, "Best ending they've EVER done!!" and you know what? I STILL stand by that.

[@kevinflynn4649]

I'd also like to comment that the "war crimes" Dimitri commits with Areadbhar are limited, since he didn't have Areadbhar during the time-skip, he only got it after reuniting with Rodrigue

[@corrinflakes9659]

I like the Xenoblade 3 music in the intro “Days of Lost Warmth”. One day we'll get a Xenoblade rep with proper adaptation of their character.

[@corrinflakes9659]

42:10 also, “Carrying the Weight of Life” playing right here, peak OST usage.

[@skibot9974]

I really hope Death Battle can find a new owner. Season 10 is what made me a fan again, and I’d hate if they ended it

[@owenbridgers]

What I would’ve given for Dimitri’s crest to Proc as he’s using Atrocity.

[@kainingyao7873]

I really hope they do Byleth vs Rean Schwarzer for Season 11 or so as the next episode with a Fire Emblem character, especially we got that really good first one with Guts vs Dimitri. Both characters share so many interesting and compelling connections with each other, but the main theme of this matchup is that they are both JRPG protagonists who are renowned professors of prestigious military academies, who are excellent at swordsmanship and tactics and happen to be vessels for divine entities. It would be so awesome to have two badass university professors with a PhD in asskicking to clash with each other with their incredibly diverse array of abilities and their brilliant tactical prowess.

[@dbfan199]

Well I'd hardly call Rean a Vessle for a Divine entity. But yes Rean vs Byleth is goated.

[@mythos6308]

The hype for this fight was unbelievable Three Houses turned me into a JRPG fan and took hundreds of hours of my life and Berserk is Berserk so seeing my top 5 favorite franchises fighting with some of their best written characters fighting (Guts should have won tho)

[@roonkolos]

Season 10 easily is their best season thus far For me, there were dream matches I always wanted, ones I didn't know I needed and a few I had no interest in but still loved. Those being Cole v Alex, DragonBorn v Chosen Undead & The Doctor vs Rick, respectively The latter especially was a shock for me. No interest in either franchise but it ended up being my 3rd favorite fight, period and that was not an easy bar to surpass This show I have watched for years since my best friend first showed me the Pokémon Starter episode. My husband and I have watched this together at times (we got a Brandom commish in the pipes) and i have 3 dream fights I'd k*ll to animate myself. This show means a lot in a way If season 10 sadly ends up being the last season, then what a fucking hell of a season to go out on. Even if it's not, this season is forever a highlight Even it's worst still ended up being real damn good ♡ what more could we ask for

[@SithfruitWatermelon]

Yeah, this was by far my favorite. The others were good too, but something about this one just hit different for me.

[@vaggos2003]

Ladies and gentlemen, we are at a time where singular episodes of Death Battle can be analysed in video essay format. I love it so much.

[@medoagamer9497]

This was a great analysis. I'm curious to wonder what will be the next fe death battle. I've thought about my own ones and I've seen othets but I think if they were do another one, I would love to see Felicia and Flora from fe fates vs Ram and Rem from Re zero. (Talk about a tonal whiplash)

[@BJGvideos]

I see Rhea vs Ghetsis Harmonia a lot

[@idontknowwhatmychannelcall7733]

A analysis of my favorite death battle episode on my 18th birthday This is awesome thanks

[@JonathanFrostathan]

OI SHIT HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

[@idontknowwhatmychannelcall7733]

@@JonathanFrostathan thanks

[@TheDJBalloonz]

Bro this isn’t Phenix vs Raven JK, this episode is goated; keep cookong

[@kirbonicpikmin8809]

Wait, Fate was put at Multi+ ON ACCIDENT? How have I never heard of this before?

[@JonathanFrostathan]

It's more so that they forgot to give Strange a multi+ feat given how Wiz claims that they were even in power and how the research team claims that the decision was a 51/49 split, but I felt that wording it that way was funnier.

[@maniacalmalamar8332]

Season 10 really was something wasn't it? It seems like everyone has that one episode of the season they hold very personally to them. (Gojo vs Makima for me)

[@vaggos2003]

Mine is Megatron vs Freeza, not necessarily for being my best or favourite of the season, but for bringing my favourite character of the season from my favourite franchise aftrr years of absense and treating them both with mostly successful respect and glory.

[@albertosanches5945]

You know, despite me following some streams, I would have never guessed this video was about Guts vs Dimitri. I feel disappointed as a fan of fire emblem.

[@JonathanFrostathan]

Don't feel too bad about it. Those streams didn't take my full season opinion into account and were mostly based on first impressions.

[@ZudinGodofWar]

Sooo, death battle is now back, nearly 3 weeks ago was Omni-Man v Bardock, THERE'S A FEW CHANGES

[@terrace15]

16:53 tysm for this- I'm midway through my first playthrough at the moment

[@JonathanFrostathan]

Yeah when I was streaming 3H, there were people who told me that they didn't wanna watch them because they didn't want me to spoil the game, so I took that into consideration with this video.

[@michaelthex2684]

One thing I will mention that was an issue for the animation itself was Dimitri using Ice Magic, which is something he never uses in game, but I do love this episode and does justice to Dimitri and, from what I have heard from my friends, does a great job for Guts.

[@JonathanFrostathan]

That was Frozen Lance, not ice magic. The attack is based on its functionality in Three Hopes.

[@michaelthex2684]

@@JonathanFrostathan That makes more sense, though have not played Three Hopes thanks to money issues. Thanks for explaining that.

[@Driff97]

I hear Melee's Fire Emblem soundtrack at one point, but it doesn't appear in the music list.

[@JonathanFrostathan]

Oops. I'll fix that.

[@akirayamaguchithekitsune4010]

Season 10 rankings 1.Scooby Doo vs Courage the Cowardly Dog 2.Goku vs Superman (2023) 3. Galactus vs Unicron 4. Stitch vs Rocket Raccoon 5.Bill Cipher vs Discord 6.Rick Sanchez vs The Doctor 7.Frieza vs Megatron 8. Guts vs Dimitri 9.Cole MacGrath vs Alex Mercer 10. Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer 11. Satoru Gojo vs Makima 12. Ant Man vs The Atom 13. Darth Vader vs Obito Uchiha 14. Phoenix vs Raven 15. Dark Souls vs Skyrim/Chosen Undead vs Last Dragonborn 16. Killua VS Misaka

[@thejester4130]

Great video, and on that point about asta being in character, as a black clover fan, I'd say not at all. He's acts too much like a meathead, he stabs deku's corspe for no reason when he wouldn't do that, and they didn't even have him say "im not done yet" or "not yet", like come on.

[@Kingbeat1]

Dang it I missed the rocket vs stitch section also today ben diskin autographed my stitch funko pop today at the expo:Edit i just found out this was a review of guts Vs Dimitri

[@BJGvideos]

Nice use of Searching for Friends during the part about tenacity. Now, if only they eould remember there are Final Fantasies not numbered 7. Hey, if you need more reactor footage in the future, feel free to use mine! Also wdym "has admitted to writing Soul Calibur fanfiction"? This ehole show is fanfiction! It's not like it was hidden haha

[@JonathanFrostathan]

Did you read that last section from the RT 100 blog I posted?

[@BJGvideos]

@@JonathanFrostathan Which part? I was kinda listening to this at the grocery store

[@JonathanFrostathan]

The part at the very end when I showed a scan of Ben saying that he made a Soul Calibur film script. The fan fiction thing was a hyperbolic bit I did as a means of getting back at Ben for calling me Frostathong on a livestream once.

[@ivrxr8693]

43:13 There I am Gary

[@nikeiyomiuri2728]

Came back to this Review after watching The Granbull’s ranking of the season, I find it funny how all of his criticisms are all debunked by the 20 minute mark

[@tehesprite502]

On the matter of scaling, my personal issue is the false equivalences given. There's no way of proving that Edelgard's Hegemon form is equivalent to her strength with Amyr, nor that her with Amyr contributing to killing Rhea deals with the same durability that Rhea had against the Javelins of Light, NOR that that durability feat actually scales against the Javelins' destructive power. In general I tend to disagree with the powerscaling community about when feats & scaling are appropriate. They tend to scale things beyond what actually makes sense for their series' intended power level (i.e. Dimitri being stronger than a nuke).

[@firenze6478]

The javelins themselves were wanked to oblivion. We see the full damage of one from both above and below at shambala in the same cutscene rhea is hit. It barely destroyed a few trees.

[@firenze6478]

Also, the speed scaling for both dimitri and guts was absolute bs. Any speed scaling that’s only supported by “dodging lasers or magic spells” is automatically ridiculously when without that, they have no superspeed feats whatsoever and it would completely break their verses. Also saying that dimitri was city level because he tanked a DIFFERENT SPELL that attacks you with negative emotions.

[@tehesprite502]

@@firenze6478 Yeah, dodging attacks is typically a reflex feat (specifically reacting to the attacker preparing the attack, not the attack itself), not a pure speed feat.

[@firenze6478]

@@tehesprite502 we also see arrows move at the same speed as these so called ftl attacks. And magic in fire emblem does damage based on resistance which is mental power, not defense which is physical.

[@FranTheNerd]

quite frankly they don't need the javelins, dimitri being able to take hits from byleth is honestly enough to give him the win

[@spiderzsonic6581]

45:51 yeah, it's a cool detail but it clearly makes things complicated, there are characters with unbreakable weapons but for others that don't have that I think it should be that they start with their basic weapons and when they are at the climax they use their legendary weapon

[@benjaminjara7312]

I'm not even a Fire Emblem, or Berserker fan, but the SECOND I finnished off this episode I proudly considered it my favorite of the season. Until the funny dog episode came along

[@thegametimer8982]

So you will say your note in the season 10 ranking ?

[@arandomthingintheabyss2062]

let hope death battle survives rooster teeths death

[@rixarts14]

Did anyone close their eyes to listen the sound design and wind up listening to an advert? Almost had to school you when you mentioned fans not knowing jank animation as I'm a credited animator. You saved yourself, but I'm watching you. I had a feeling you would enjoy Guts vs Dimitri but was not expecting a one hour dedication to it. I haven't been a subscriber too long, I guess.

[@JonathanFrostathan]

So, about that advert. :))))

[@rixarts14]

@@JonathanFrostathan It had something to do with a Dune video game.

[@defordumbas9302]

57:57 What could JoFro possibly mean by this?

[@fun2dunc846]

I don’t care if I haven’t watched further into the video, I just want to point out that there was a joke going on when this episode was being made, and the jokes was related to Dimitri fans wanting Dimitri to lose. I think this is one of the only times where fans wanted their character to fail.

[@dbfan199]

"I think this is one of the only times where fans wanted their character to fail." during Dio vs Alucard, jojo fans where convinced Dio would be folded, and Chainsaw man fan's more or less universally rooted for Gojo regardless of who they thought won. there have been more but those are two off the top of my head.

[@tmb_merc]

Hot take: I personally think Guts vs Dimitri is better than Billcord in my opinion. It actually got me back watching Death Battle again.

[@JonathanFrostathan]

Fellow Gumitri > Billcord enjoyer. ;)

[@tmb_merc]

@@JonathanFrostathan 🤝

[@juwanwilson7700]

OK let's not be animals here

[@J.P1981]

You won't like these guys when they go BEWSEWK!

[@wyamccor]

This deathbattle was the one I was the most torn on because im a fan of both series.

[@toystolife1678]

1:00:31 *Laughs in hindsight*

[@blitz0590]

I enjoyed this death battle a lot. I love that they did justice to both characters. Especially after what they did to my boy, Asta. The only criticism I have for the episode is it follows the Principle of Polearms. Then again, so does everything.

[@vaggos2003]

What's the principle of polearms?

[@blitz0590]

@@vaggos2003 Regarding media: 1) A polearm wielder is destined to lose when battling any other weapon. 2) If a polearm wielder wins against all odds, their polearm will be broken by the end.

[@vaggos2003]

@@blitz0590 How does this principle apply in this episode and why its application can be described as a negative?

[@blitz0590]

@@vaggos2003 It follows Rule 2 as Areadbhar breaks before winning. The Principle of Polearms is an observation I’ve had in media and have yet to see it fail. I personally view as negative because polearms are my favorite weapon but can never catch a break. The principle itself is just an observation, however.

[@vaggos2003]

@@blitz0590 I see. It's just a trope that, although not objectively bad, annoys you a bit. My original confusion was that I thought you were being metaphorical, but as it turns out you were very literal.

[@chongwillson972]

14:14 I am sad the church of serious gets no love.

[@mishdornots]

Are you concerned about the possibility that the death battle might not come back after this season due to Roaster teeth closure?

[@BJGvideos]

Personally I'm concerned that it will be on the shelf for a very long time and that it'll have a much smaller budget when it returns, but I'm sure it WILL return. ...eventually.

[@JonathanFrostathan]

Eh, not really. They've been through this before, and I feel like they can afford to go independent for one year, even if it has to start later than expected.

[@Oblivion-forgotten]

I need Zack fair in death battle, sephiroth can't be the only first class soldier they use

[@Its_a_Phaze]

I think I might be more partial to Edelgard vs Crow Armbrust.

[@hollowbrinethehollowfiedsu6365]

Dimitri should have fought Seigfried from Soul calibur. I will die on this hill

[@GoldenFlame-ft1rk]

Ike should fight him instead

[@lord_klump3705]

IMO Bill Vs. Discord is inaccurate to making Bill overpowerd AF... and in Scooby-Doo VS. Courage having no winner... you're correct this episode is PEAK DEATH BATTLE

[@lord_klump3705]

Granted discord isn't that strong either but still Bill is weaker than a LOT of people think

[@bkaneshiro14]

1:00:32 WELP.

[@requiem6465]

Hey babe new Jonathan Joestar video just dropped

[@CriticalBattlegrounds]

31:41 Mr. Joestar… YOUR HAIR AND SHIRT ARE THE EXACT SAME COLOR

[@mrdeadinside9462]

Seeing one of my favourite KZbinrs say how an episode I despise is their favourite is something I wasn’t expecting

[@lestatcanada]

What’s wrong with gutsmitri?

[@mrdeadinside9462]

@@lestatcanada a lot in my opinion, the animation, the way they did the characters (I think it would’ve been better if it guts and dimitri after their whole emo stage), the music, scaling was really bad both both of them and that’s including the gear and weapons they gave them especially dimitri who got magic and abilities he either doesn’t get in the main game or doesnt canonically have access to without the player choice, and the ending of the battle

[@lestatcanada]

@@mrdeadinside9462 well to each their own I personally thought the episode was pretty fantastic but if you hated it that’s fine by me

[@firenze6478]

They were both wanked to oblivion too. Dodging magic and sound doesn’t make characters with no other feats of superspeed ftl. The logic of scaling dimitri to light javelins could be used to scale wolverine to infinity guantlet. Also, they completely ignored the scaling of the shambala roof ( which was in the same cutscene rhea got hit in) to wank it millions of times greater in a feat where we don’t even know how many were launched. And they gave dimitri city level durability because he tanked a spell from a wizard whose earthquake spell shook the screen. Only earthquakes damage you by dropping rubble on you, also, DIMITRI TANKED AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SPELL! The spell he tanked wasnt even physical, dark magic attacks you with severe negative emotions that eat at your soul like despair.

[@Ravensgale]

I always considered Death Battle as just a usual power scaling channel with an animation budget backed by WB considering the amount of research they do for the characters heavily leans in one character's favor normally.... Well not so budget-backed anymore considering the tanking of RT😂

[@vaggos2003]

Well, after this video, has your opinion about Death Battle changed?

[@Ravensgale]

@@vaggos2003 Fuck no. And the Battle Casts proved to me that they learned the RWBY method of using a podcast to go, "We totally didn't do/write that at all. Anyone who has any criticism for our show in the slightest is just a hater." The fact they literally milked the Goku vs. Superman bit THREE TIMES was proof of them being lazy with research and quality.

[@vaggos2003]

@@Ravensgale I guess we'll just have to respectfully disagree. As for Goku vs Superman being done 3 times, Ben Singer has went on record stating how he ended up hating what Goku vs Superman 2 ended up vexoming and wanted to give the matchup the proper send-off it deserved.

[@Ravensgale]

@@vaggos2003 It is what it is. As for the point about Ben, if he did it right the first time, it wouldn't have required two other times. He knew it was controversial due to the pairing, and either did slapdash research or knew it could be milked for tbree episodes. Either way, it's in bad faith.

[@vaggos2003]

@@Ravensgale Indeed, it is what it is. As for Ben, uh, I wouldn't exactly say that. By his own words, the original Goku vs Superman is a classic and an important stepping stone to the series, but the episode, and especially the conclusion, although interesting for the time objectivily do not hold up with how the team does scaling and stuff nowadays. Plus, Goku vs Superman 2 was never meant to be a "sequel", but rather an afternath that would present 20 minutes of footage from the original that were cut for pacing issues. Unfortunately, the episode ended up being presented as a sequel, a decision that Ben regrets, and by his admission accidentally disresoected Superman and kicked Dragon Ball fans while they were down, leaving no one satisfied. Goku vs Superman 3, or more accurately Goku vs Superman: The Reboot, was meant to be a fresher take on the matchup that would hood up better against the passage of time as well as allowing the team to leave this matchup that meant so much to them, the series and the channel on better terms with an episode that they could be proud of. If you don't buy all that, well, do as you wish, obviously. Those were my 2 final cents on it.

[@Jacobfac]

Bro Goku Vs super man Goku is ten times as strong and can lift way more than 50 tons

[@Jacobfac]

And is theroized to have infinite speed

[@Jacobfac]

Plus Goku could just blow up the sun or take it to the extreme he would just unlock a new form

[@firenze6478]

The scaling logic for both dimitri and guts was wack though. Both db versions would be like superman in their actual worlds. They even completely ignored the scaling of the light javelins at shambala to wank them into infinite by using aliel instead which is already a bad comparison since you could use the same scaling to make wolverine universal by claiming he beat hulk who beat thanos therefore wolverines strength is = to infinity gauntlet.

[@FranTheNerd]

but dimitri is directly shown overpowering edelgard, which a lesser version directly overpowered rhea. The logic does make sense because it's actually SHOWN dimitri is stronger than Edelgard- at least in that route.

[@firenze6478]

@@FranTheNerd edelgard didn’t directly overpower rhea. In the cutscene, rhea is barely able to move because its at the end of the battle in which edelgard had an entire army with several relics. (which the agarthaans specifically made to kill dragons) and she had byleths help delivering the final blow. Dimitri also has an army and the cutscene takes place after edelgard was already defeated. The assumption that they soloed their final bosses is only an assumption because the real reason the army isn’t shown is because the army could be made up of numerous different characters. And assuming in powerscaling isn’t viable. Also, rhea was wanked millions of times greater herself since in the same cutscene rhea barely survives being caught in the outskirts of a light javelin, we see the direct aftermath of one from both above and below in the roof of shambala which barely encompassed a few trees in its destructive radius. ( we never see aliel, nor do we know how many javelins were used, and sothis was there and could have been partially responsible, plus you have to completely ignore shambala which is the only fully viewable javelin feat that we see and happens in the same cutscene rhea gets hit in. Ignoring this is blatant and intentional wank.

[@dddgaming885]

cope

[@firenze6478]

@@dddgaming885 again, I agree with the verdict, the scaling is just really bad for both. Wanking doesn’t make characters better nor does being stronger. I hate that I can’t debate without people thinking I’m just salty. Powerscalers are so toxic.

[@sam7559]

​@@FranTheNerdthey both do that with literal armies, and neither Edelgard or Dimitri were fighting alone. Dimitri also is canonically killed by generic soldiers with spears by just stabbing him multiple times which is a significant lower durability feat.

[@erniestrother3545]

I didn’t like this episode of DB. I felt Guts got downplayed a lot.

[@FranTheNerd]

they gave guts more than he should have with the storm demon feat- if anything they buffed guts and nerfed dimitri who can scale to byleth and beyond

[@erniestrother3545]

@@FranTheNerd I just felt like they left out other factors to be considered. I’m sure there’s a FE character that can beat Guts but I’m not buying the whole Dimitri thing.

[@FranTheNerd]

@@erniestrother3545 Dimitri is over hundreds of times stronger, I'm sorry to say. Guts just doesn't have the power output to put him down before he bleeds out

[@erniestrother3545]

@@FranTheNerd see I just don’t buy it. Death battle handled the ep poorly.

[@FranTheNerd]

@@erniestrother3545 how? How don't you buy it? Dimitri can be hit by meteors falling from the sky going mach 66 and shrug large city level attacks. NOTHING guts can do can get by that durability.

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

: O

[@marshyhmr7766]

One of the downsides of season 10 is that a majority of the analysis were shit

[@sam7559]

As a Fire Emblem fan I'm not a fan of it mostly because I don't agree with the feats they gave Dimitri. Dimitri isn't that fast or strong. No Dimitri isn't light speed because he can dodge faith magic and no he can't tank missiles because him backed up with an army can defeat Edelgard who can when backed up with an army can defeat a dragon that survived being attacked with missiles but yet somehow can still die to generic soldiers being able to stab him to death with normal spears

[@vaggos2003]

Dimitri being killabke by ordibary soldiers is either a nerfing outlier or just a non-canon game mechanic.

[@sam7559]

@vaggos2003 it's not an outlier, every route except for AM Dimitri dies, VW it is explicitly because soldiers stabbed him to death, CF it is because he failed to fight off Edelgard's army and is executed by Edelgard, and in SS it is off screen but is implied to be the same fate he faced in VW and was only off screen due to Byleth not being on Gonder Field in that route. Even in AM he was at risk of being stabbed to death by a child and was only saved by his father figure jumping in to take the blow instead. We have more routes of him dying or at risk of death to normal people compared to routes where you can at least say his cause of death is someone that can be scaled to high levels of strength.

[@vaggos2003]

​@@sam7559Death Battle does present characters at what they perceive to be them at their consistently strongest, buuuuuut I don't know anything about Fire Emblem, so I don't know how powerscaling works there, so I won't comment further on that.

[@sam7559]

@vaggos2003 the issue is that in Three Houses we see the stats of a generic villager and due to the way stats work short of having a crest a generic villager can do pretty much every feat given to Dimitri just maybe with less consistency. They can dodge light based attacks, tank meteors, damage and possibly kill Rhea which scales them to Dimitri. They're stats are low but Fire Emblem works on a system of low enough numbers that you can offen still do stuff. Heck one example of a challenge run I've seen is people beating the game with zeros in specific stats like strength or speed

[@vaggos2003]

@@sam7559 Interesting. What do you think about how Fire Emblem gets represented in versus and/or powerscaling?

[@whyareyoureadingthissmh]

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