'His Eyes Turned Coal Black' Ted Bundy’s Cousin On Discovering He Was a Killer

The name Ted Bundy inspires nothing but fear and anger in the hearts of Americans, but for Edna Cowell Martin, the serial killer was her kind, gregarious cousin during her formative years. When the truth about his despicable crimes finally came to light, she was barely able to believe it. Now, after 50 years of remaining as anonymous as possible, she's finally ready to talk about life with Ted.
Edna reveals to Piers Morgan multiple instances where she saw the mask drop and Ted's cold heartless psyche came to the fore. She even explains that on one occasion while driving him in her car, she mentally prepared herself to crash the vehicle if Ted tried anything. Now in her new book 'Dark Tide: Growing Up With Ted Bundy', anyone can find out what is was like coming of age in the shadow of America's most notorious serial killer.
00:58 - Introduction
01:30 - What’s it like to be related to Ted Bundy?
06:00 - "He would come by my apartment frequently"
06:27 - "He wrote a pamphlet on rape prevention for women"
07:00 - "His eyes had gone cold black”
10:18 - “we were all terrified, terrified of my cousin and I didn’t even know it”
13:17 - “He could lie so easily”
15:00 - Edna recalls the moment she realised her cousin was a murderer
21:45 - Bundy’s execution
27:40 - Criticism for 'profiting' off Bundy’s crimes
31:28 - "I still care about the Ted Bundy I knew, but horrifically despised the Ted Bundy he became"
33:00 - Do you feel lucky that you’re still alive?
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[@skybot9998]

I told my son when he was a teenager. Trust your instincts,if you are around someone that makes the hair go up on the back of your neck then you probably should keep a respectable distance.

[@IreneRattray]

Bundy had everything going for him. Like intelligence and good looks.

[@ElizzzaB]

Follow your intuition.

[@renayeblack5906]

Excellent advice.

[@gigigiseleworld]

True🎉🎉

[@gigigiseleworld]

​@@IreneRattrayHe was a college educated and he could have been an attorney.

[@lindavandebogart873]

i lived in Renton and because of my divorce needed to hitchhike to 3 jobs in seattle to buy a car. I had been speaking to Seattle Crisis Clinic ---- nice man, good counselor(Ted Bundy) I set out to grab a ride and a tan vw came up and when the door was opened, a nice (looking) man smiled and asked if i needed a ride! I had my hand on the open door when i realized the door DIDNT have a door handle!!! if i had gotten in the car, i couldnt have opened the door to get out! so i declined the ride from Ted--- all people knew was his first name, and realized later it was Bundy! Thank you, God, for your protection!!

[@FaithfulandTrue949]

Yes praise God indeed, He saved me too 🙌🏻

[@redwoodrebelgirl3010]

Good gravy Marie! I'm so glad you got away safe! ❤

[@redwoodrebelgirl3010]

​@@FaithfulandTrue949 God saved you from Bundy? Or, some other horror? Either way, I'm very glad you are safe. 💗

[@Murphy1968]

Thank God for your instincts.

[@meme-hz1mq]

Smart you!

[@shaneturner9336]

This guy picked my mom up hitchhiking home from a party one night after her friends left her . He pulled a knife out on her and she jumped out of the now famous car he drove on the freeway going 50 miles an hour . She died twice that night in the hospital and luckily survived it . Her statements helped in finding him .

[@martinkdoorstoperception.1913]

your mum was is a great woman.

[@marystinson7]

Praise The 👑LORD✝️📯

[@user-km4lv2en5j]

If you don’t mind me asking but how did she open the car door if there wasn’t a handle in side ?

[@Belluser-we1uc5cb2l]

​@@user-km4lv2en5j He rigged that later when girls were jumping out of the car.

[@user-km4lv2en5j]

@@Belluser-we1uc5cb2l thanks for replying 🙏

[@v.p.r.719]

That dog knew and Ted knew that dog knew.

[@lordhegamonster6931]

The dog mysteriously died 3 days later 🥲🙏

[@ItCantRainForever2]

​@@lordhegamonster6931🤣

[@omron9498]

Some dogs just bite, and not all of their victims are murderers...

[@tonystevenson26]

​@@lordhegamonster6931no way !

[@aviemoore9628]

She knew

[@janicebeare8127]

Unbelievable that the dog attacked Ted when he hadn't done so before. We really need to pay attention to animals. They have instincts we just don't have

[@roxanemontegna9867]

This has been done for Centuries by Indigenous people. Natives study animal behavior and out of this has come wisdom in our every day life. They call it Animal medicine. There are traits every animal and bird have. Please look this up.

[@kitcat4512]

It sensed possession?

[@bridgetholbert]

@@kitcat4512maybe

[@vanavatareight5135]

Means nothing at all. Dogs often do that for no apparent reason. Do you think when the family's pitbull suddenly attacks their kids, it is because it sensed something?

[@bjbobbijo5066]

An animal's instincts aren't always true. I am a big animal person and have always had all sorts of pets all of my life. Animals have been calm around me, but there have been a few times when someone's pet was not friendly with me. My aunt's cat was mean and on gaurd in attack mode around me, and so is my best friend's dog. I am not the only one they are in attack mode with though. A part of it is just their personality and/or something that had happened to them in the past perhaps. If a dog were to be going totally bonkers, like Ted's cousin had said her dog was doing, that would alert me too because that is more than just not liking the person, that is detecting something that very off.

[@SaltyChips-dh3mp]

I saw an interview with Ann Rule who worked with Ted at the suicide hot line. She had a large dog that she said just loved everybody. She would take the dog with her on the nights she worked the hotline and said each time Ted tried to pet the dog she growled at him and he was the only person she ever growled at.

[@ileanahernandez1709]

Ann Rule wrote a best seller called " The Stranger Beside Me" based on her co worker and friend Ted Bundy.

[@wedp112]

Hitler had dogs too. In fact my very loving father was attacked by his own dog who couldn't distinguish who he was from a costume party where he dressed like a Sheihk in the 80's.....all it was, was the clothing that was different.

[@foxibot]

When his fiancé went with him to adopt a shelter dog, the dog also tried to snap and growl at him. He made a joke out of it.

[@cherriaydelotte8327]

Animals know. I don’t know how they know??? But they know. Pay attention to them…

[@ShoutItFromTheHousetops]

@@cherriaydelotte8327children know too

[@antmanv05]

The devil always comes wearing an attractive, seductive mask.

[@gloriahensley1740]

Not always.

[@deidremulroe2461]

Meghan Markle 👿

[@stoveboltlvr3798]

Her description of the sweater tied around his neck makes me picture every jerk in any 80's movie. Wonder if he always had a tennis racket too?

[@vikingprincess6882]

@@antmanv05 not the gang members of certain groups.

[@antmanv05]

@@vikingprincess6882 I heard that 👍💯

[@traciweisenbach336]

I was a gas station clerk at Gulf in the early/mid 70s, and I remember Ted coming in and getting gas several times. Most times, he came in and seemed like he was charming, good with words, and good natured, and I thought “what a good looking guy”. Then, one time in April 1973, he came in and had a stone cold look on his face. He paid for gas, and some sort of food, and was staring out the window at a group of women. He left the store, and I watched him stare at them while he was sitting in his car, and he slowly drove off, with the creepiest look on his face. I will NEVER forget that look. Stone black eyes. Just like she stated. It’s unreal how he “masked” his true identity.

[@pamelamartin8464]

It's like he was possessed by something.

[@traciweisenbach336]

@@pamelamartin8464 he sure was. The scariest part is how people fell, like me, for his good charms and his good looks. I will never forget the day I opened the newspaper and saw him on FBI’s wanted list, and different pictures of him. It literally gave me the chills.

[@deenahjoseph6383]

amazing story may God continue to bless you and Christ Jesus always be with you 🌿🙏🕊️

[@SouthernStyle07]

What did his face look like exactly?

[@SouthernStyle07]

What did his face look like exactly? What did he smell like?

[@jessshreds]

KZbin is so much better than actual tv now.

[@SallyBowles5050]

I don’t even watch tv anymore…

[@carmichael3594]

That's what I always say

[@DawnOldham]

I don't even have a TV anymore!

[@user-jl9sk5ny2e]

It is

[@karnagefails333]

​@@jimreeves1954 Yeah, ok guy like everything that was on cable access wasn't heavily screened & controlled 👌

[@ellenwalters9478]

What an intelligent, articulate person she is. Waiting 50 years writing her book is not a person getting rich quick. I look forward to reading it.

[@gigigiseleworld]

Ted also has a brother. He spoke years ago and he lives somewhere. ..I'm not sure of the two additional siblings "?

[@barefootdgypsy3233]

It hasn’t been 50 years since his murders

[@turalmirzaliev1232]

​@@barefootdgypsy3233the 70's were 5 years ago?

[@janefromtennessee]

What is the name of her book?

[@joannaherodotou1491]

@@barefootdgypsy3233 Yes, he began killing in 1974

[@countcoupblessings979]

A dog & I at 9yrs old, had visceral disdain for a man who'd gotten engaged to a woman. That man later abused the woman , attempted homicide & killed a dog he gifted her . BELIEVE THE DOG‼️

[@bonnie3232]

So true!!

[@johnwayneonacid1366]

I don't agree. Most dogs approach me in a friendly way and allow me to pet them but every now and again there's a MF who growls at me and tries to attack me.

[@cyberturkey77]

@@johnwayneonacid1366 People put too many human emotions onto animals its quite disturbing tbh

[@missylou725]

​​when that occurs it's called anthropomorphizing...but animals do often sense things like a dangerous humans, but sometimes it's their own trauma that may cause them to misread a situation...humans are similar...it's a characteristic of being sentient, sensing danger or having a trauma response that danger could be near

[@tonystevenson26]

​@@johnwayneonacid1366MF 🐶 ....😂

[@lorihamlin3604]

I was living in Tallahassee at the time the sorority house at Florida State University was attacked by Bundy. It was the end of innocence on campus and around the city. His cousin should in no way be ostracized. Who would ever imagine your cousin or friend could be such a monster.

[@joannawinters6592]

I always feel bad for Bundy's younger brother. He was a kid, looked up to his adult brother and even many, many years later you could see how deeply broken this man is by what happened.

[@ashleykraan7402]

Rich Bundy ended up having a very difficult life due to all of it

[@Janevelyn]

Heartbreaking 💔

[@esra_oziskender]

I am sorry for him too.

[@bluedragonfly5]

Love the descrition of the dogs' behaviour. He knew!!

[@gigigiseleworld]

That's right..he spoke in an interview years ago... I'm not sure of the two other siblings from his mom second husband.

[@daniecoker740]

My aunt was the forensic pathologist for the ted bundy case and she said he tried to smile and charm her and she told him im not having or putting up with that s***!! She had to sit with him throughout the case and go over evidence since he wanted to represent himself.

[@kathleenrogers10]

Now, That would be an interesting book. Not this second cousin smiley faced drivel.

[@jabine59]

His representing himself is almost the creepiest thing he did.

[@JanBee1122]

Some people can never be fooled. Good on her!!

[@JF59122]

I'm sure that he was mentally unstable and deranged...

[@chicgal3]

Wow glad she put him in his place! I bet that really upset him-a covert narcissist like that can’t stand in someone calling them out!

[@jacquelynarchambault7541]

Hense, writing the book is actually a form of therapy.

[@renayeblack5906]

Yes.

[@heath2483]

More like a way of cashing in and making money. Why did she wait so long to write this book?

[@lisarichardson8639]

My husband's eyes turned black just before he through me into a window, severing my brachial artery..I almost died. The last conscious memory I have is his black eyes..my mind after that remembers nothing..3 surgeries later and 2 years of physical therapy..I can use my arm. My psyche has never recovered.

[@cherp5837]

@@lisarichardson8639 you are full of courage.. God bless

[@Christusvinci]

Wow

[@michellesims6953]

I'm so sorry. God bless you

[@FasterFaster196]

He better be in prison.

[@luzclara3855]

I am terribly sorry. I wish you a full recover. ❤

[@user-ts9sc2nl9c]

Never ignore your dogs, if they don't wanna go down a certain alley or street they normally do for example, don't test the theory. I know this will sound silly to alot, especially people who don't have dogs but they know and can sense things we can't

[@denisefallin8042]

I wish I had listened to my daughters dog who hated my ex husband

[@josephsharp5678]

Dogs can defintely feel people out that is for sure.

[@melissafrancis-brown4747]

Doesn't sound silly at all. Dogs know

[@ogadlogadl490]

There is a man that walks by the yard sometimes and my dog hates him, he never barks but when this guy strolls by the dog gets very protective and loud.

[@user-qe1gc5mp3b]

Please stay safe, and trust doggo❤​@@ogadlogadl490

[@Carrie-r6e]

I feel sorrow for all the families. Some of these girls were never found. They never received a proper burial. Ted was cold-hearted until the very end.😢

[@ElizzzaB]

Probably buried near where incidents took place.......so he wouldn't get caught?

[@gigigiseleworld]

The police have said that it's impossible to try to find the remaining ladies. Over 45 years ago and those remains may still be skeletons or absorbed back in the earth. 😢🥀🥀

[@gigigiseleworld]

​@@ElizzzaBThe police can't do anymore retrieving of bodies,, because it's been over 45 years ago..

[@tinydancer867]

@@gigigiseleworld Really? Bc lately now that we have the genetic genealogy data, soooo many Jane & John Doe’s have now been identified & decades long cold cases solved. Idk how long bones stay out until there’s nothing left but I know it takes 100 years or so I believe. But Bundy absolutely had so many more victims and I wish we could just find them and give them the dignity & respect of a proper burial. Awful.

[@Ceba-pw8hk]

I worked with one of his victims. The mood at work went from smiling a nice place to work, to dark and quiet. It was universally traumatic for all of us.

[@63DW89A]

The description (starting at 24:30) of how the dog was very protective of Edna, getting aggressive towards Ted, really rings true. I just tturned 68, and one thing I've noticed over my life and have now come to believe is true, is that if a dog does not like a person, NEVER trust that person. Especially if a normally friendly, docile dog, really shows a dislike of a particular individual!

[@roxanemontegna9867]

This is something Native people have known for ages because they're intent on watching an animal's nature. Animals are able to see different dimensions. Watch a dog or cat some time. You'll see them interact with something we can't see.

[@patr70]

Yes that is true.. but sometimes dogs bark at people becuase they're very terriotorial of their owner and don't wan't strangers moving in on their territory. That's why you sometimes have to earn the dogs trust.

[@marisawoods]

​@@roxanemontegna9867 you're right.

[@marsoblivi0n945]

But this also happens when a person is anxious. So..

[@Sese-nk6pd]

I agree

[@chachak8978]

It’s not that he turned into somebody else, both versions of him co-exist at all times. That’s what makes a person such as Ted Bundy so dangerous. It’s not one or the other, it’s both.

[@anthonymangino9662]

You have a better grasp than most.

[@khepresh]

The "good" Ted is not a version of him. It doesn't exist. It's a façade.

[@mh1970]

​​@@khepreshthat's what I was gonna say. The real him is the him that he hides. The nice Ted is a character. How he acts when he thinks nobody is watching is who he really is.

[@headyBC]

Demons are real

[@hollywoodjaded]

Have you met with any?

[@nomopms1]

@@hollywoodjaded We had them wreak havoc in our home. No joke!

[@catherineobrien-mchue1388]

​@@hollywoodjadedthe animals knew he had demons.

[@patricialear8001]

The word demon is not in the Bible...fyi

[@tinbus149]

@@patricialear8001 Mark 5:12 is one instance in which it is. Try to be smarter somewhere else.... fyi

[@baqaqipekhebi7148]

The most important thing she says is about her dog‘s reaction to him. I had a very sociable cat who would rub up against any guest who came to my home. One time I had a guy over who I didn’t know well. My cat ran and hid under the bed. I never invited that guy back and put a lot of distance between us. Always trust your pets!

[@EvilAngel050]

[@mrtufflebumps1176]

Uh huh....... suuuuuuuure.

[@sukijay4990]

Interesting comment. I’m wary of people my dog doesn’t like as well as he’s like your cat, normally very friendly.

[@haitiancreolewithluciano]

LOL! Cats don't have that instinct. Your cat was probably chasing a mouse or something🤣🤣🤣

[@iriamrivera2018]

He was possessed, demonic. I have seen and know of people who take part in black magic and witness animals react to situations. They are aware.

[@wayneholmes146]

Utterly terrifying, monsters don’t wear masks. They walk among us & look like regular people.

[@Tracey-zr5do]

Indeed they do! They are monied, manipulative and have (on the whole) had expensive educations.

[@maureenobrien9815]

YES. They do. Unnerving.

[@ileanahernandez1709]

That's exactly what Ted Bundy said.

[@lisasmith9311]

Google Lance Voss I lived next door there a serial killer he has been a suspect in a lot of cases and he moved and the town he moved also had disappearance but he’s never been charged and never will

[@suzanneharaputczyk439]

That's why he was so successful.

[@FootSoldier4Christ]

When I was 17 in the fall of 1972, I was walking home from my swing shift, about a mile. I lived in a smallish town near Seattle. I had to walk on the main arterial through town at 11:00 at night. A light colored small car pulled up a few yards in front of me. A tall, slender man with dark wavy hair got out and started walking towards me calling out. "Susie? Susie?" (Not my name.) I froze. I wanted to run across the highway, but it was four lanes. Just then, a police car pulled up in front of the guy's car, the guy quickly got back into his car and drove off. That policeman saved my life. I might have been Ted Bundy's first victim.

[@dianedelong5216]

Scary

[@lavatube8060]

How are you sure it was him though?

[@FootSoldier4Christ]

@@lavatube8060 I'm not. I said I could have been his first victim.

[@chicgal3]

😮So Very scary to realize he could’ve killed you! But Thanks to God that officer showed up at the exact moment you needed saving!🙏🏼

[@normagrimstad8869]

There are many women who report these incidences of near abductions or attacks, and the police unfortunately don’t record them or pay attention to them, because ‘nothing happened.’ This is how these perpetrators get away with so much.

[@verityowens9638]

Its not her fault that she is related to bundy.Also out of respect she waited 50 years.Others have written books why not her.She never hurt anyone .

[@elijahjames8837]

The Bundy family are lessor victims of Ted Bundy.

[@chairmanofthebored8684]

I'm related to Ted Bundy too. We share 1 set of grandparents that were alive in the 1700's.

[@bond7459]

No,not at all,good that she finally wrote the book.

[@fishfood8719]

​@@chairmanofthebored8684Your grandparents lived for 200 years,thats amazing.

[@excellentcomment]

Great, I was told there would be no math. Let's see... If you're alive in 1799, then you could have children as late as 1850, and they could have children as late as 1900. Ted Bundy was born in the 1950s. Hmm. Our friend must mean their grandparents were alive in the 1800s.

[@SB-mm9zh]

It's interesting to hear about the dog going crazy when he arrived. If you read Ann Rule's book, the lady who worked beside him in the call centre, her dog also reacted very badly to him.

[@jackychamber534]

That's interesting 🤔

[@staceykelly4211]

Ann Rule was an amazing writer. The book is called "The Stranger Beside Me". Every true crime book I've ever read by her is fascinating. She was a former police officer from Seattle. The book "Small Sacrifices" about Diane Downes is excellent.

[@marciathomas1625]

My dog went crazy and attacked a man that I knew. I realized later that the man was a narcissistic sociopath. My dog KNEW way before I knew.

[@charmaynebruce6215]

​@@staceykelly4211 Yes, she was. 🥲

[@missrose5261]

​@@staceykelly4211 Thx I will read it.

[@wendybond2848]

How frightening for Edna on so many levels. Not many people would have seen him in that black eyed state and lived to talk about it.

[@JosienThePussycats]

My ex's eyes went BLACK also right as he was going into a NARC rage n BIT MY NOSE! It HAS to be SATAN!!!

[@JosienThePussycats]

My EXS eyes went BLACK also in a NARC rage!!! SATAN!!!

[@Matira269]

How could blue eyes turn black. I wonder, Is that part real, or is a a strong impression. Would anyone else have seen that transformation? It reminds me of werewolf lore.

[@JosienThePussycats]

@@Matira269 LMFAO!!! I don't need you to believe me, I KNOW what I saw, n it is SCARY as ! I googled next day n it came up ALL about NARC RAGE.

[@y2ksurvivor]

​@@Matira269it could be pupil dilation, which can cause someone's eyes to appear darker. pupils can get large from chemical rushes like dopamine. lord knows what he was thinking about to induce that..

[@josephbacchi6668]

His eye's turned black. Classic sign of demonic possession.

[@llamalady8700]

Says WHO???

[@mrfake675]

​@llamalady8700 when you see it you see it

[@mariapilarme]

I saw that before and I got the feeling that it was the devil there.

[@iconc1402]

And NPD when the mask drops.

[@dougaldouglas8842]

@@llamalady8700 Me, having dealt with murderers, all of them have their eyes likes pits of the abyss, and there is a presence about them that makes your hair stand upon end. Looking into their eyes is akin to looking into a bottomless pit of darkness, very scary

[@agnetha2012]

My goodness, so many comments of people judging and condemning Edna. She isn't the one who committed these crimes. By the roll of the dice, she happens to be the cousin to Ted Bundy. We are all hear listening to this interview because we are fascinated and curious with Ted Bundy and what he did. I think she is handling the interview very well and she is articulate.

[@JimiBegbaaji]

Good for her to be profiting from her story, her experience.

[@barefoot6745]

Fascinated? Do you mean disgusted?

[@Jayskiallthewayski]

​@@barefoot6745No fascinated, it's why you clicked the vid.

[@hannahpugh469]

@agnetha2012 well said ❤

[@agnetha2012]

@@barefoot6745 being fascinated can be either good or bad.

[@rosalindr4975]

People criticizing her should watch the WHOLE INTERVIEW. Glad she spoke up, after 50 years.

[@renayeblack5906]

Yes, she is a beautiful soul.

[@northernlady212]

Do you mean here or somewhere else?

[@rosalindr4975]

@@northernlady212 this interview

[@northernlady212]

@@rosalindr4975 thank you. I was thinking I was missing something somewhere else 😸

[@northernlady212]

@@rosalindr4975 oh, and I did watch it all, accept I was reading comments . . 😸

[@Violet-fj8yd]

I saw a video years ago when TB was going to court, he was in a hallway and someone asked him a question he did not like. I saw that rapid change in demeanor, like he was another person. This anger came to the surface. I can't find that clip anymore. It was frightening.

[@laneneal3510]

I remember that! Very much like Ramirez.

[@Sarahpurple12]

Please link the video or give us the title, I'm intrigued

[@user-zf8ge7qj6m]

I think i know the clip it was the Kimberly Orlando trial and the mask came off when the cop put his hand on his arm. Was it that one?

[@Kahlalily]

You can see it in one of his last interviews before execution when he's responding about the child he murdered. He won't really talk about it but you can tell he is reliving that crime and when he gives his response and looks back up at the interviewer you definitely see that mask slip. He goes from "charming Ted" to a total predator.

[@repentjesusiscomingsoon1529]

@@Kahlalily I saw that and it was the most terrifying, chilling thing!!!! Yes, a ruthless PREDATOR...that's exactly what he looked like!

[@evablanton7380]

I walked past his upstairs everyday on my way to college. He was very engaging and often called down to me ( he knew my name). I always sensed a darkness about him, though friends urged me to get to know him, etc. I just felt such an ominous feeling. And ironically, one of the girls he murdered that frigid January was one of my friends. She worked at the Northwood mall:I still remember her smile.

[@Belovelyava]

💔 I’m sorry for your loss. Glad you were spared ❤

[@memeeemee214]

24:51 proof pets know ….. I want everyone to be aware! If a pet is acting strange around a person, don’t walk away, run

[@kathleenrogers10]

Paw Patrol.

[@user-up9jf1jq2w]

Interesting for me what could it mean if a persons pet acts strange. Like behaving aggressively even if I was trying to be neutral in it's presence. This pet was previously owned by someone who was a satanist.

[@dougaldouglas8842]

I did, walked away very fast when my dog went berserk at at female they had encountered.

[@cy4330]

I don't like dogs and cats but they seem to like me a lot not sure why. I don't like them come near me but they wiggle their tails looking at me and I usually turn away without eye contact. Do you know why?

[@dougaldouglas8842]

@@cy4330 Only you can answer why you do not like dogs. Dogs, in general love attention, love to meet people, wag their tails to say that they are friendly, and it is these that I tend to approach, others that are not showing signs of wanting to me you I walk on by

[@thevocalcrone]

All thosecasking about her smile its a trauma reaction. Shes not playing a victim. Shes telling a story. Her story. Shes being stoic.

[@SkyandMoon909]

That's also quite specific to female genderization

[@kellywoodwardcore5360]

She also has two versions of him in her memory. The fun node cousin and the serial killer he became

[@madeinamericavideos9153]

No, the constant smile while discussing her monster cousin is really really weird. Out of place.

[@my-mysknitsaloon]

​@@madeinamericavideos9153 I can't watch her all smiling, during this interview. About such grim and seriusly topic like her cousin the serial killer TB.

[@my-mysknitsaloon]

​@@madeinamericavideos9153Yey out of place.

[@corrinnacorrinna5572]

Some people smile when they are nervous. Notice her hands stay clenched and her throat/ neck is red. This interview is challenging for her. The Ted she knew was very different from the Ted others knew.

[@gigigiseleworld]

It must be embarrassing to have a first cousin who has murdered over 50-100 women "?.

[@beaglerescue5281]

Sorry but I don’t trust her. Seems like “dupers delight.”

[@lennarthagen3638]

She seems just fine. Yeah dupers delight.

[@alphooey]

@@beaglerescue5281don’t know if it’s nerves, but she does looks a little jazzed at times.

[@paula622]

She is telling the truth, what she saw is real, I've seen it myself, it is horrifying

[@carolnewlin1195]

I lived near Chicago when Richard Speck killed 8 nurses. A bunch of us young girls at 18 used to pick up hitchhikers….after that we were terrified of strangers.

[@margaretcastell9429]

Regarding TED BUNDY The news said he always picked on long haired girls because he had been in love with a girl like this but was rejected. Is this true?

[@JoanneArc-or9sr]

I would never pick up a hitch hiker lol too risky.

[@lorimiller4301]

​@@margaretcastell9429 Yes, it's true.

[@patriciaeb1320]

Did that trauma ever heal?

[@user-vi3re9wr3o]

One nurse was approached by R S , days before. She had a rosary in her hand she showed it to him and he ran away. Thank you Holy Mother of God.

[@hi-d12forlife]

I live in Washington State and i cannot drive by Lake Sammamish State Park without thinking about that day 2 women disappeared from there because of Bundy.

[@sunnysmiles8211]

It was 50 years ago this July 14th

[@hi-d12forlife]

@@sunnysmiles8211 I know...🥺

[@roseelley4470]

Same.

[@mintolost]

Same

[@sg-vp2qg]

I had been there on that day, a 17 year old girl with long brown hair parted in the middle. I would have of course helped him if I'd seen him, you know with the fake cast. But for the grace of God, or good fortune.....but I still feel so bad for the loss of the other girls and for their families:(

[@Tmiscia]

That dog warned them

[@roxanemontegna9867]

They always do. We need to look to animals more for their wisdom and our survival.

[@user-co5yp2jr8n]

Ted said he didn't like his freedom being taken away. Yes and the girls and their parents didn't like their freedom being taken away we either

[@michaelcoletta4547]

Lives*

[@KimNeville-vr8hn]

​@@michaelcoletta4547 Same difference so stop nitpicking

[@conanhighwoods4304]

​@@KimNeville-vr8hn Not really.

[@siaitsme6800]

​@@conanhighwoods4304 Exactly...

[@frankG335]

He's not a mass murderer. He's a serial killer. Big difference!

[@Auudubillahi]

It's literally the same thing.

[@onewotldgovernmentonlywhen9044]

He was most likely abused as a child by an adult or by more than one adult and threatened not to say anything. No one is a serial killer out of no where something had to happen to them as a baby toddler child or and teen age

[@roma8374]

Yeah, Netanyahu is a mass murderer

[@leemontoya8028]

Who called him a mass murderer?

[@nickwall2497]

@@leemontoya8028 Listen to the into

[@krystal6612]

I CANT IMAGINE WHAT THIS WOMEN AND HER FAMILY WENT THRU BEING RELATED TO TED BUNDY

[@stactionsmedia3318]

She said she didn't go through anything. She said he was cool. Didn't you watch the video?

[@SuperAna1954]

​@@stactionsmedia3318why, how?

[@chilo8187]

@@stactionsmedia3318That’s literally not what she said for the majority of this interview 😂 Did YOU watch?

[@KimNeville-vr8hn]

​@@stactionsmedia3318 Oh fiddlesticks! You're the one who didn't watch the video 😂

[@asill.6668]

​@@stactionsmedia3318😅😅😅

[@ralemc1960]

Ted would revisit victims bodies. I’m sure the dog picked up the scent.

[@renayeblack5906]

Yep.

[@biknjak]

Most dogs would want to get closer to "check out" that scent, rather than attacking him. They are usually very good judges of a person's "nature/spirit" upon first contact.

[@lazarcatalina1176]

Probably smelled cadavre scent!Dogs has millions of olfactive cells in comparrison to humans!They smell very goood!

[@TheYroberts]

Dogs can scent the aura of people, my dog would go crazy when a couple of "friends" visited, the same dog was ok with them earlier, as their intentions changed my dog was able to detect it, those friends ended up stealing from me. Never ignore your dog.

[@butterflygirl2285]

IMO - It is so horrifying to realize you never really know someone

[@sssreggiN]

Most ppl are what they say,some arent and some of those ones can be sinister

[@salaheddine11]

Peirce moor-on came with some thing new and horrific to cover up his continuous horrendous debunking failure for his criminal support of cleansing Israeli genocide on Gaza civilian childrens and womens

[@user-yy7hg4ph6f]

​@@sssreggiNI do believe that with all of the bl**dy cr*me p*rn* he was viewing.....he became demon-possessed! Yes, it is a thing!😮

[@TheeAbbey]

The thing is no one really knows a person except that own person.

[@jamiedee36]

I can’t imagine a betrayal this big. I’d have such a hard time ever trusting my own judgment again.

[@KeepMeLord05]

This story disturbed me, mostly because once my husband and I saw someone with baby blue eyes that turned midnight black in our presence. I've heard others talk about such things before and now wonder if there is anything science could add to this phenomenon. As a Christian, I have my opinion.

[@SunnyDays7777]

He is possesed. That what Gabriel Amorth would tought...

[@MissHeird]

As a Christian too, I believe you and I have the same opinions. Mine would be demonic possession.

[@susansparanormalpennsylvan81]

demon possession, pray ask god and jesus to protect you, call upon St Michael the archangel to protect you from the wickedness and snares of the devil.

[@karmelicanke]

I witnessed someone's face turn black twice. Facial colour change is one manifestation of demonic possession often seen by exorcists.

[@khepresh]

It's just pupil dilation whether you're a Christian or not. You're welcome to your opinion but it shouldn't blind you to facts.

[@Dudemeister]

She has it backwards. The mask went back on

[@hollystiener16]

Yeah, I think she was nervous

[@TY-YThandle]

It's backwards to us, but it's not backwards from her lifelong perspective.

[@tchocky71]

I thought this as well.

[@Dingle1234]

Why not a book? If a detective, juror or reporter, why not her? It's really appalling for people to expect these families to share the guilt of their murdering relative, rather than viewing them as victims. In fact it should be used as educational material for forensic psychologists.

[@janetsmith8566]

Amen

[@Annedowntherabbithole]

Nobody has a problem with a book but her smile while talking about a murderer is disturbing. Her facial expression doesn't match her words

[@notovercome]

​@@Annedowntherabbithole: I know what you mean, but, it could be she was nervous being on camera.

[@Isa-js3ve]

Or a netflix serie?

[@WhenImBackInChicago]

​@@Annedowntherabbithole I understand, however, she's likely a happy person, and wears her heart-on-her-sleeve, that's all. She was born joyful, and when she speaks, her inner contentment comes through, always.🎉 Had a good foundation while growing-up. I'm like her. ❤️‍🩹

[@JimiBegbaaji]

When she said she waited 50 years to write the book, I frantically counted my fingers and toes to see if that could be right. I hadn't appreciated how young I was when it all happened.

[@janetsmith8566]

Me too😮

[@KingNigelthegreat]

​@@janetsmith8566me t00

[@fairyspunfibers9098]

Yeah...couldn't believe it, either! I vividly remember when it was happening!

[@michellelambert8729]

Me and my mom watched his trial on TV back then. Now when I look at film of that trial sometimes it looks like scenes out of the series Dark Shadows.

[@colleenhouser2714]

I have always said "If my dog doesn't like you, I don't like you." I trust my dog's instincts implicitly. Never doubt what your dog can sense.

[@caronyardley8834]

I've seen those coal black eyes myself, not in this individual but in another. The whites were gone and had turned black where once they were white. As I looked into those eyes in disbelief at what I was seeing, I realised I was not mistaken. These black eyes were endless voids of darkness. Scary! The energy in the room had changed. It was vile and cold and creepy. Even their facial features, demeanor, language and behaviour had changed.

[@Belovelyava]

Pray tell, what did you do? What was the circumstances that you were in this position?

[@Jesusandcoffee3382]

You encountered a demon-possessed person.

[@khepresh]

That's not what people are talking about luv. It's just pupil dilation. No Black Eyed Children, that's an urban legend.

[@SkyeAndrews-zz3yo]

It's called demon possession been around since the beginning. But people are ignorant of History.

[@RevelationStation227]

Demonic manifestation

[@suzanne5807]

I had a family friend who was the wife of a serial killer. Nobody ever knew. Everyone who knew him - and there are several of my family members and other people I know who knew him - said he was a really nice guy, nobody believed the killer was him. They walk among us and are often very charismatic people. Its worth learning the signs of narcissism and psychopathy so its easier to spot them.

[@jessicadubois9945]

💯

[@ria2159]

That's the thing - if you have a bad experience with them, nobody will ever believe you as their charismatic side is so believable.

[@MissHeird]

His wife would have spotted signs in him. She lived with him and had to have noticed something.

[@clivejenkins4033]

You can chooose your friends but you cant choose your family

[@jarayablack3619]

You added another *o* to the word *choose*

[@Kraterlandschaft]

@@jarayablack3619 And you forgot a full stop.

[@andrewcollins8774]

That’s so true.

[@andrewcollins8774]

@@Kraterlandschaft why don’t you go troll someone else?

[@Kraterlandschaft]

@@andrewcollins8774 because I picked him.

[@cathybjornsgaard6501]

I was a representative from United airlines to the Republican National Convention in 1968. They used flight attendants to escort the Governor wives to events and meet and greet. Being from Washington State but based in Miami. Convention was in Palm beach. Ted Bundy was working with Washington Governor Evans. I met the Washington delegation small aircraft landing in Palm Beach. Bundy was part of this delegation. He had his cream turtle neck on. I was only 22 years old. The minute i saw him, he gave me the creeps. He came to my hotel door and knocked. I was with another flight attendant room mate. I asked her to tell him i was not there. I avoided him.

[@Belovelyava]

Wow, glad you listened to that still small voice.

[@chicgal3]

Oh My God How Very Frightening to know who & what he was capable of afterwards had to be so extremely scary! 💔 thank God you followed your instincts🙏🏼

[@electricaf365]

Fake story

[@sarathurston3318]

@@electricaf365how do you know this? Were you there?

[@user-ui2hw5os3d]

I never understood why everyone said he was handsome. I never thought he was handsome all.

[@user-yn9mx7xu1r]

I think it had more to do with his demeanour. It’s not just about looks

[@brandoncoleman4013]

It was a different time back then and obviously in person is different than seeing pics from 40 or 50 years ago

[@chilo8187]

@@user-yn9mx7xu1rHis demeanour was creepy too though 😂😭

[@user-yn9mx7xu1r]

@@chilo8187 You say it because you already know what a monster he was. Everyone who knew him in person, saw him as a charming individual. He was smart and articulate, well-dressed and acted like a gentleman. It is easy now to claim that we can see through him 😆

[@chilo8187]

@@user-yn9mx7xu1r That’s not true though. Many people found Bundy unsettling and creepy - it’s a media myth that everyone thought he was charming and handsome. If you read enough about the case you will find many accounts by people who said they felt something was “off” with him, and avoided him.

[@anarose7486]

I think she did a fabulous job bringing her experience with and of him, meanwhile acknowledging the awful things he did and mentioned feeling uncomfortable by him herself. It’s got to be icky having a serial killer as your cousin

[@krystalw8911]

Finally, a Piers interview where he doesn't constantly interrupt his guest😅

[@ApacheMagic]

He still spoke over her a bit

[@tonystevenson26]

A guest : " and the secret to immortality is...." Piers interrupts : " so I hear you have a labradoodle "

[@Arandomperson_online]

Lmao u so right

[@spanglesz6670]

She seems a lovely and genuine person. Good for her for finally talking and writing about it

[@abigail1st]

The most important thing is not to label people with guilt by association, and to have compassion for relatives who were blind to the signs at the time….most people would grapple with cognitive dissonance in such circumstances.

[@user-kh6oq9oe6t]

Yes, that's true too, there are a lot of odd coping mechanisms.

[@CM-sy3to]

She could save lives of victims of other psychopaths if their families can recognize the personality traits.

[@notaclue822]

Yeah hindsight is 20 20.

[@tonystevenson26]

Well said

[@SkyeAndrews-zz3yo]

​@@CM-sy3toIt's not her responsibility though, it's your job to have discernment and to educate yourself to save your own life.

[@smith42069]

Every interview Piers does is exciting, shocking, and groundbreaking! Well done to him and his team for getting these interviews set up

[@Baphometh69]

@@smith42069 He’s picking up the slack after Dr. Phil changed networks👌🏽

[@watchnoface8770]

Some of his takes and interview style and agenda are a bit dodgy, but I do say he is a Titan in this game, that’s for sure, especially building such a platform after leaving GMB and talk tv!

[@salaheddine11]

Peirce moor-on came with some thing new and horrific to cover up his continuous horrendous debunking failure for his criminal support of cleansing Israeli genocide on Gaza civilian childrens and womens

[@markharrison6498]

OK piers

[@markharrison6498]

He's completely biased and one-sided when he interviews

[@barb-jm7990]

I've twice noticed a man's eyes turn black like that. It was as if they were turning into a predator animal at the time. The first was in a movie just before the actor attacked a female actress in the story. The second time was when I was visiting a doctor after hours when the staff was gone and I was alone with the male doctor. Everything was fine and then the doctor got quiet and started staring away. When he looked back at me, his eyes had changed and I knew that I had to get out of there immediately! I did and heard later that other women had a similar experience with the now-deceased doctor.

[@kathleenrogers10]

Sounds like a really bad case of white coat syndrome, vs black eye syndrome.

[@1-SmallStep]

😳

[@FaithfulandTrue949]

Well done for escaping. Which film

[@Murphy1968]

Demons are real.

[@bcnewe]

The stuff of nightmares. Glad you got away.

[@JCKeternitatis]

When eyes turn black, there is a demon in a person!!!

[@user-cy4vw1qj9m]

When the eyes turns black they have become totally insane.

[@robinjanz-buhr4427]

I've heard a few times from different individuals commenting on their interactions with Ted about his eyes going black and stating he has to go. I think Ted opened himself to the demonic. He had the spirit of rejection from his childhood, then a girlfriend. Like his cousin shared, Ted did many good things. He saved a child from drowning and worked a suicide hotline. The psychology of Ted Bundy is so interesting.

[@yinoveryang4246]

Yes, A lot of this story sounds like what Christians of certain denominations believe in as "demonic possession." Examples in the Bible etc. I was hoping Piers would pick up on her opinions of this.

[@mariemiles7287]

It's the pupils dilating. When someone feels rage, the pupils dilate very large.

[@nikw3683]

Definitely demonic, whether possessed or influenced by (but not by direct possession)

[@Hamsamich2.0]

The dog knew he was a demon in a meat suit.

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

Yeah or smelled something unusual about him: animals have more senses and ability than humans

[@thenotoriousgib_]

@@AbdulSoomro-kj5ltthat sounds more likely than the religious nuts theory

[@tamaraelsberry6630]

Literally, hence the black eyes and completely different countenance that she didn't recognize.

[@Crystalblue58]

@@thenotoriousgib_ not religious, just the vibes the person gives off

[@barefoot6745]

The dog knew him but did not attack him until that day. Think about it.

[@jgsmile1331]

I have heard of dogs and cats that can see demons and growl and display dislike of the demons.

[@LindaA1124]

The way she describes Ted's demeanor when he was dancing with her friend sounds like he was possessed. To go from light colored eyes and a sweet smile to an angry face with black eyes is definitely demonic possession. Scary

[@tonystevenson26]

Advanced schizophrenia

[@LuvBorderCollies]

I'm now beginning to wonder if Ted was into the occult. That would help explain a lot of things.

[@amiblack8294]

@@tonystevenson26 what do you think that schizophrenia IS??

[@madeinamericavideos9153]

Agreed. Demonic possession.

[@susansparanormalpennsylvan81]

@@LuvBorderCollies according the famous psychic sloan bella, drugs and alcohol can open up the chakra like a portal and in steps a demon____she explains like someone else is driving your car. You have no control over your car anymore ( body/mind is the car )

[@bunnyluver2176]

When she was talking about the dancing part and said "the mask slipped off and he went back to his normal self," I think she has it backward. That was his true self and he got caught so put his "nice guy" mask on before rushing out. Being a psychopath, he was probably constantly wearing a mask for whatever situation he was in. She caught his true form which was a woman hater.

[@Angela-lb9zi]

Am I the only person who DOESN'T think Ted was even slightly handsome?

[@CarolStJohn-ev9ry]

I thought he looked feminine and had creepy little eyes.

[@lorimann6022]

Me!! Maybe he appeals to some, however NEVER to me!

[@johnkeane1419]

I think they mean he is handsome for a serial killer.

[@macnchessplz]

You’re not the only one.

[@BelaRube]

He was probably a talker with a good personality. Maybe articulate like she is. Some people are just easy and interesting to listen to. Especially if they do it with flattery. They are seductive and charming.

[@smallnight]

Armie Hammer thinking: “That’s an unfortunate interview to follow mine.”

[@Chr1st8l]

Haha great comment

[@Tedanson]

I haven’t watched that yet is he a cannibal or not?

[@Chr1st8l]

@@Tedanson so not

[@user-yy7hg4ph6f]

😅😅😅😅😅

[@user-yy7hg4ph6f]

​@@Tedansonwe're not giving any spoilers away now......😏

[@patricawalton2402]

Can't imagine having a serial killer for a family member. She wasn't trying to get rich, she waited fifty year's to tell her story.

[@ulfanfinneriksen4643]

Ted thought he was smarter than everyone.

[@TB.418]

Agreed.. it was his narcissistic massive ego

[@BethSmith-ep9vm]

Demonic pride

[@RanabirDan]

I mean his IQ was tested to be 136 while he was in jail

[@michaelcoletta4547]

He probably was smarter than average

[@tonystevenson26]

In many respects, he was

[@HangOnAMinute1]

She acts like she still can’t believe it, he was too clever hiding in full view.

[@whiteyorksrose6989]

No one ever suspects the nerd but its nearly always the case that the quiet awkward ones carry a rope and kitchen knife in there car. 🤔

[@user-yy7hg4ph6f]

Well, it was shocking at the time......still shocking! 😮

[@joshsmith4512]

​@@whiteyorksrose6989he was not quiet or akward. he was slick talking. women fawned over him, even after he was caught. he is the text book definition of a narcissist. akward and Ted Bundy don't go together. far from it.

[@pithius2191]

She also talks in almost praiseful language about Bundy...amazing

[@nadun79]

@@pithius2191 right? atleast dont smile when talking about the victims, it not much to ask

[@robinjanz-buhr4427]

Not the first time someone has said Ted's eyes went black.

[@joannapiotrowska5203]

Typical for narcissists and psychopaths

[@YESYES-qz2ex]

I wouldnt dare tell what I know the reason is for someone's eyes going black. Only a few would agree with me. The fact that the dog picked it up is more proof that my theory is spot on. A dog or a horse will pick it up immediately. We humans are way too slow to understand these things.

[@bonniedeaves422]

​@@YESYES-qz2ex When you've physically seen the change in someone's eyes like this, you just know. I've seen the blackness cloud over someone's eyes like a swirling cloud. Terrifying. Also a flitting black shadow around the person that you only see for microseconds & then question yourself & your sanity that is what you actually witnessed. Dark soul afoot.

[@PingvinasBuratinas]

@@joannapiotrowska5203no its not.

[@joannapiotrowska5203]

@@PingvinasBuratinas yes it is. Read about it. It’s when they enter the rage mode. Obviously you haven’t lived with people like that

[@JNosewicz7569]

My sister, who was a recent college graduate , was approached by Bundy while on a jog by a lake. She had no idea who he was. Ted offered her a beer and got into a conversation with her. In appearance, my sister looked like his typical victim. She only realized later while watching TV who that engaging man was that she had been talking to.

[@cherriaydelotte8327]

😳😳😳

[@cherriaydelotte8327]

She was very lucky 🙏🕊

[@teresagaylor3995]

@@JNosewicz7569 lucky he didn’t grab her!

[@brandoncoleman4013]

Isn't it funny that everybody and their grandma has a story of how they somehow were approached by Ted Bundy? Interesting that is, isn't it?

[@northernlady212]

​@@brandoncoleman4013 considering how many he is convicted for killing, I'm sure he must have considered / tried / checked the possibility with many more. Especially if he was generally interested in women but only occasionally did the 'urge' overcome him. By urge, I refer to what his cousin describes observing.

[@SA30.137]

Piers is on a roll and i am loving it.

[@mackswellgg]

Enjoy your filth, content goblin

[@Zhana808]

I agree I often wonder how he’s able to get such great guests and interviews, but good on him.

[@VulgarTruth]

Yuuup❤🎉

[@sambooth6920]

He is not a mass murderer he was a seriel killer ..

[@fergalharper3920]

Serial

[@mazklassa9338]

Define "mass murderer".

[@BlueKauai]

The term _serial killer_ was coined in 1974 and not widely used in Bundy’s era. The FBI’s behavioral science unit was in its infancy in the 70s and referred to people like him as mass murderers.

[@closelaugh185]

@@mazklassa9338 there is a difference between a mass murderer and a serial killer. A mass murderer means all murders were committed at the same time or in the same sequence. For example, a school shooter. A serial killer means you commit each act separate from one another over time. Pretty simple distinction

[@mazklassa9338]

@@closelaugh185 thanks 😊

[@xmarksthespot8216]

I think i encounteted him and I was mesmerized by him. I was working as an interior designer in Kansas. He was traveling from New York, he said. I did look like his victims. He bought a lamp and insisted I carry it to his car for him. My boyfriend was watching us as i was going to his car. It was a Volkswagen. I think I was spared that day. Who buys a lamp on a trip?

[@rosalindr4975]

Gave me chills.

[@justseekingtruth3998]

Thank God for your boyfriend!!

[@catmother4214]

Wow! That's a great story and I believe you 100%. Thank you for sharing.

[@pjj9491]

Quick question...why were you "mesmerized"...many of us didn't find him attractive...just curious why you did EVEN with your bf there...btw thank God for that

[@cks57youto53]

Ted definitely saw the boyfriend .. that's your fate right there!!!! He was definitely targeting you !.

[@johnwright291]

I'm from Tacoma and teds brother in law used to work for my families tugboat business. I knew him for 2 years before i knew about his relationship to Bundy. I found out when I overheard him talking to someone about a TV movie that was coming on about Bundy. I asked did you know Ted. He said I'm married to his sister. Quite a shock. Teds family were also his victims.

[@electricaf365]

Fake story

[@johnwright291]

@@electricaf365 Tacoma is a medium sized town. I don't know what you find hard to belive about it. Also later on I met teds sister. She was very normal in every way. This was in about 1987. I just checked out when that made for TV movie appeared. It was may 1986. So that is when i found out about Kevin Johnson's relationship to teds sister. TRUE STORY! I don't need to make up stories. I have plenty of real ones to tell.

[@electricaf365]

@@johnwright291 oh Tacoma is a medium size town? Well then, I apologize sir. I had no idea. That fact makes your story completely creditable. Carry on

[@johnwright291]

@@electricaf365 I'll explain it to you since your IQ seems to be deficient. The smaller the population of a town the more likely it is that you might happen to know a given person if you happen to live there. There is nothing fantastic or outlandish about my comment. So i knew Bundy's brother in law. So did hundreds of other people. You just get your jollies trolling people's comments.

[@johnwright291]

In a small town it is more likely a resident of said town is to know other residents of the town. There is absolutely nothing fantastic or outlandish about my comment. I just don't know why you picked me to troll. I wasn't able to say what I wanted to. KZbin lets trolls get away with muerder but muzzle's everyone else.

[@TheHomeExpert5]

He was clearly possessed by demonic forces.

[@kathleenrogers10]

Possession is 9/10ths the law.

[@violetblue62]

​@@kathleenrogers10 😂

[@Mikey13Morales]

Mk ultra

[@darrylschultz9395]

Well spotted.

[@nomopms1]

I agree.

[@darryk4154]

I'm not a religious man but the comment about his eyes being jet black really makes me wonder about demons and possession.

[@renayeblack5906]

I have seen it first hand. It's something that you will never forget.

[@1-SmallStep]

​@@renayeblack5906Me too. My ex. I saw the black eyes twice and thought I was seeing things until his secretary said something to me.

[@sharongill903]

You should read the book hostage to the devil by father malaici Martin based on true stories of possession also he did a 6 part interview with art bell you can find it on utube very interesting

[@VaNatureLover]

It is 100% I have seen this in a few individuals in my lifetime. It’s chilling and powerful. When you see it yourself there is no question that it’s spirit manifestation. It’s difficult to explain but you can literally feel the demonic presence in those moments.

[@VaNatureLover]

@@renayeblack5906me too!

[@jasonolinger7585]

Makes me wonder how many Ted Bundy's there are walking among us but do not act on it because advancements in technology make it harder to get away with it.

[@tech1238]

Sounds like you’ve been thinking about it a bit too much

[@hlowrylong]

@@tech1238I totally think about that too much too. 😉 But seriously, between cel phones & even my washer & dryer & Walmart tracking my location, I don’t know how anyone gets away with crimes!

[@TB.418]

statistics say 1 in 100 & about 1 in 7 narcissists etc ...

[@nolhman123]

@@hlowrylongdon’t think they care as they are narcissistic and not afraid to get caught

[@jasonolinger7585]

And you sound like a cat lady.

[@cazpk6840]

I am glad Ted did not hurt this lady and that she is alright and doing well. I can imagine her trauma and admire her courage to share that she is related to that monster. I wish her well.

[@mattottie6410]

If my dog dosen't like you i don't like you either.

[@cherp5837]

@@mattottie6410 stop this shito … i have a tried and tested theory on this subject I don’t have pets but my friend does. In jan 22 when i visited her the dog went berserk with happiness when it saw me. That was our first meeting. That year i saw that luck was on my side. I noticed that by the end of the 2023 things started going awry . In nov 2023 i met this dog again and it strangely didn’t like me touching it. I m not a bad person i can attest that confidently. This change in his attitude towards me just makes me think that there is something else over us that they can sense.

[@SkyeAndrews-zz3yo]

I've had dogs majority of my life and love them to piece's. And even I got to say that's the Dumbest way of reading people ever. If your discernment is limited to your dogs IQ you need to see a shrink.

[@renedream66]

His daughter lives in England and has his eyes and smile. Clearly wants nothing to do with her dads horrific legacy

[@JoyP-rw5bc]

How do you know his daughter lives in England?

[@gigigiseleworld]

I always assumed that she changed her name, especially after her mother died. I saw the two night documentary

[@Jason-si8iu]

​@gigigiseleworld his daughter lives/lived in Tulsa Oklahoma

[@renedream66]

@@gigigiseleworld she kept Bundy. I think there’s less fascination with it all here in UK. I’m pretty sure she’s got a very strong support system of friends and family. Can I just say, I’m not here to expose or create a trail of breadcrumbs to Rosa. I’m just saying she looks very happy and is a tall lovely young lady. End of.

[@shonacole2124]

I don't think i knew he had a daughter wow

[@daledrakewriter4912]

No the mask didn't drop he slammed the mask back in place. What she saw when he was dancing with her friend was the real Bundy peaking through.

[@user-dz6ng9rn1o]

Many don’t understand demon possession. He had demons and I believe he died with his demons even with the review with Dobson. I do not believe he wanted deliverance .

[@tonystevenson26]

​@@user-dz6ng9rn1odemonic possession? Dunno, more like advanced psychosis and schizophrenia. I've seen it myself in a dude who was simply mentally ill. Humans do have a dark side though. Carl Jung addresses this.

[@SandyCheeks63564]

At 8 minutes, she said the mask dropped and he went back to normal (she thought). Actually, the mask went back ON.

[@paxsmile]

Yes, I caught that. It was the other way around…

[@lynsey_Ellen]

Interesting interview. I watched the conversation with a killer about Ted Bundy on netflix, and I was so shocked on how many women showed up to his trial all because they thought he was too good looking to be a serial killer. Also, he acted as his own lawyer, that must have been so awful for the victim's families.

[@janetsmith8566]

And for the surviving victims, being INTERVIEWED by him! Should not be allowed

[@lynsey_Ellen]

@@janetsmith8566 Yes, definitely. I don't know why the judge allowed that.

[@Lia2222]

I watched that, very well done. The real interview where TB speaks into the microphone and whispers a couple of words gives me the heebie-jeebies... do you know which one I mean? I can't recall who is doing the interview, I'm sorry. I hope you remember the one I'm referring to. It's the scariest thing I've ever heard. I had nightmares.

[@koendeschoesitter6052]

You know what they say, listen to your 🐕

[@tonystevenson26]

Unless it's a bad dog. Not all dogs are well behaved

[@KSpacePirate101]

Fantastic interview! I can't imagine how nerve-wracking it must have been to be interviewed on such a sensitive subject. I know that I tend to smile out of nerves when public speaking too. Such a fascinating story! I can't wait to read the book.

[@barb-jm7990]

I'm glad she wrote this book, because it IS good to talk about it. It is also good for all of us to learn more about a man who has traumatized many of us for years. I was the age of many of his victims, was in a sorority, and had long brown hair during his killing years. I was very aware and scared that he could make it into our community. The thing that scared me the most was how attractive he was. Before the news about him, I would have liked this charming man with the cute VW and that scares me even this many years later. It is good that women are learning from this book that there are men like that out there.

[@jojobee42]

What a fascinating interview. It's easy to forget Ted Bundy was a normal family member to some people...

[@mikeansley5306]

This woman is a good person. She cares about the victims just listen from 22:00-23:00. She tried to help.

[@ClaireQuinn566]

Hello from Ireland. Very interesting interview indeed & what a lovely woman. Thank you Piers.

[@andiestewart7423]

I remember when he was executed. CNN was outside the jail and people were literally partying . Crazy story

[@io132]

not everyone thought he was good looking and nice. many picked up on his weirdness.

[@mh1970]

It's crazy that ppl are saying that cuz all of that talk came AFTER everybody knew what he did.

[@kimcovarrubias2613]

Why is everyone so mean? She is probably so nervous, if you know a narcissistic person, they are charming and I am sure she does have fond memories. The thing I find strange is everything I have read says that he was raised by his grandparents and wasn't told until much later that the person he thought was his sister was actually his mom.

[@SamSpade-xt2pn]

😢

[@deannehuizenga4845]

I read that too. My question is who is Ted’s father?

[@popeantichrist8847]

@@deannehuizenga4845 is an MK ultra baby

[@jimilemons7680]

He didn't escape from prison in Colorado, he escaped from a courthouse library in Aspen and a small county jail (Garfield County) both in the mountains - neither community was equipped to deal with someone like that.

[@mardyroux8136]

I remember this.

[@kathleenrogers10]

Begs the question: what community was equipped to deal with the likes of ol’ serial killer/handsome/cool guy cousin Ted?

[@charmaynebruce6215]

Are you aware that many people consider jail, prison (and gaol) synonymous; one and the same? Talk about pedantic! 🙄

[@JeanineKing]

I was in high school just 5small town blocks from the jail at that time. The jail held mostly people that did a work release type sentence. They would either just check in on a weekend or a few nights a week, if they wanted to get it all over with. The gate to the jail yard had a sign “thank you come again” posted on the outside. Ted Bundy’s cell was underneath the caregivers apartment, which he cut through the ceiling of his cell to the extra bedroom and escaped that way. Our social studies class visited our country offices (courthouse, county offices, jail house were all one building) when we went past his jail cell, he smiled at our class. ( obviously before he had escaped). It was creepy. This was an interesting interview.

[@burgundyjayde]

The way the judge and jury laughed and joked around with him during his trial was nauseating to watch..

[@Arandomperson_online]

Well he had a sense of humor I cracked up myself

[@kevinwhelan9607]

His stepsister told an author a story about Bundy watching her teenage self sleeping in her bedroom. She awoke, startled. He was leering at her while around her body. He had laid every knife in the house on her bed pointing at her. Bundy was 6. Think about that. 6.

[@JulienArbor]

Name of book, please?

[@JulienArbor]

Or name of author?

[@killereverb3928]

It was not his step-sister. It was an aunt. Every knife? The story that just gets bigger and more overblown with every go around. It was 3 KNIVES 🔪! Not 10, not every one in the house. I repeat: 3 knives. Everybody and their brother sister tells this story.

[@DaChunkil8or]

Assuming it’s even true, it’s called jumping on the bandwagon

[@manc_revolution6101]

Yeah Kevin…just the 3 knives laid out on the bed, doesn’t seem as weird now it’s not every knife in the house does it?! 😂😂

[@justseekingtruth3998]

The dog knew. The dog could see the demons.

[@Tom-ib8hc]

I met Ted. I could sense the demons.

[@tonystevenson26]

​@@Tom-ib8hcyikes

[@jennifersutherland5813]

Lol

[@smith167]

Piers's working overtime

[@KatharinaK117]

Indeed...

[@jackwaterman-lw4co]

Doesn't look like it, he looks like he's sleeping again; no more boozehound eyes.

[@gregmiller9466]

The black eyes indicate possession. I wonder if he ever messed with anything to do with the occult or magic.

[@melissameyer9981]

He was possessed. Him and Dommer. They would go into a trance and not remember what they did.

[@user-my8zo8uh3n]

He said in his last interview pornography flipped his switch his advice was never watch any off it id say that was the key for the demon to get into him

[@Jesusandcoffee3382]

Speaking as a Christian of 45 years and studying for deliverance ministry now, it doesn’t take being involved in the occult to become possessed, just sin. Spiritually it works like this: demons tempt you to sin. When you do, you’ve given the demon legal rights or permissions to come work in your life. The demon tempts you with bigger and bigger things and if you keep giving in, you’ll eventually become possessed. There is NEVER just one demon either, but dozens, hundreds or thousands of demons. Every single person gets demons oppressing or possessing them, especially if they are not “saved” which means Jesus is your Lord and Savior. You are protected from possession when you are saved because you have the Holy Spirit if God. My daughter can see and hear in the spirit realm, a gift called the seer anointing. When we go in public upwards of 50% of people are fully possessed, where the demon is in charge most of the time. She can see angels and demons and a lot more. She can see when someone is demon possessed too and what sin opened the door. Every killer (she has looked at) is possessed.

[@khepresh]

No, the black eyes indicate pupil dilation, it happens in an extreme way with a psychopath's in particular moods.

[@steveburke7675]

"The black eyes indicate possession" No...they don't. Its a simple dilation of the pupils. Demons dont exist and therefore could never "possess" a person. Try to stick to facts.

[@isakisak2748]

The most dangerous thing about him is that he was involved in politics and used to say that he dreamed of becoming the president of the United States of America. Now imagine if he became president!!!

[@TB.418]

Many Presidents etc were psychopaths ....

[@bcatblues725]

That’s how I feel about DT getting in the WH

[@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions]

​@@bcatblues725 yeah but that's just how the media spew stuff. Did you know that JB has killed millions of more people!? He started wars, and promoted was his entire political career ... 🙏😭 DT just has mostly a nasty mouth.

[@laswan5]

@@bcatblues725 You should do some research of your own instead of just believing the main stream media. You're being lied to bigtime.

[@attilathorbjornsson1519]

​@@bcatblues725 That's how I feel about ANY anti American flag burning marxist DEMOCRAT being President! 💯