The Moral Arguments Around the Israel-Hamas War

JRE #2133 w/Brendan O'Neill
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[@brandonnabhan3366]

“Who the fuck is that guy “

[@GojosBackHand]

A smart man.

[@JackAaron1992]

Someone correct.

[@ReveredWizardBob]

@@JackAaron1992 Someone who hasn't read up on his history you mean

[@hydro8sixty]

He's definitely not antisemitic nor pro Palestine he's un biased

[@grlfcgombeenhunter2897]

I just said that in a Conor McGregor voice 😂.

[@TheRotbringer]

Comparing Israel vs Gaza to the American Civil War doesn’t correlate to me.

[@DagnirRen]

True. The Brits werent baby reyping animals.

[@gman6862]

Bias justification

[@dorasegall2036]

Does not ah???? Well, when we had killed 2 million of German Civilians at a loss of ZERO American ones in order to destroy the Nazi Regime ,does that correlate to you? When Red Army had stormed Berlin and was destroying all that moved with its Artillery Fire and Katiusha Salvos , killing tens of thousands German civilians in the process --were there people like you today , telling them : "stop , you killing German children " ?? or every body were just pushing them on - finish the Bastard State ? Use some basic thinking , not your bias against Jewish people that you been condition to have with bullshit lies over 2000 years if you re in Christian world and 1400 years if you re in Muslim world.

[@TT-hx9nj]

​@@DagnirRen Yes they were, just not to the extent that the Israelis are, though.

[@mickmerrifield6583]

His comparisons are a reflection of his twisted morality.

[@stephenkelley7951]

Netanyahu isnt going to sleep with you bro

[@moeezawan2329]

It's all about the Benjamins.🤑🤑🤑

[@omarclarke55]

He wants them to cut him a check for being their political analyst

[@casey7409]

Dude that made me laugh

[@ryanhamdogg9762]

Well he might. Never know what that war criminal would be willing to do

[@silasmartin5210]

Interesting how he talks about the “sacrifices that have to be made” in terms of civilian casualties and yet in the same breath lambasts the people of the west for being unacclimated to war. This man has never seen the horror of war and neither have any of his loved ones or family members safe at home in the west. I wonder how many families cowering for fear in a bomb shelter think that their sacrifice is necessary to settle a debate.

[@DrDemented9885]

He’s a coward chicken hawk

[@genericprotagonist2842]

It's almost like he's biased in some way, for some strange reason.

[@corey777]

Israelis have been hiding in bomb shelters every day for decades.

[@jamesvenable6370]

Then why don’t u call up ur Hamas pimp/masters and ask them to release the hostages..u make me sick to my stomach

[@gadaboutunited]

You're backing his point that the West is unacclimated to war, because his, yours and apart from the Ukraine, all the families in the West are not experiencing war. The fact that Israeli families in shelters who were slaughtered did experience this, and likewise before that families in Israel have been cowering in shelters for about 15 years from rocket attacks, especially in the very border villages and towns that were overrun, I would think that they understand that the sacrifice needs to be made. Further, since the rocket attacks from Hamas have been reduced to 1% of what they were 6 months ago, the sacrifice is the IDF's now. As for the Gazans, they voted Hamas in, who's intentions were clear from 1988 that this was an objective. Additionally, they allowed their kids to be indoctrinated and join Hamas - Hamas are Gazans, they are not mercenaries from the outside, they are Palestinians - and finally 1,000s of Gazan CIVLLIANS crossed the border into Israel as auxiliaries, with a promise of a bounty of $10,000 + an apartment for every hostage they brought back, as well as a free hand to murder, rape and especially loot. That's why Hamas can't account for all the ones who are missing that Israel claims it has, because it's operatives didn't capture a good proportion of them. Further, the vast majority of the Gazan population celebrated the attacks, Hamas have never been more popular in the West Bank, and whilst this last point is no way a valid justification of civilians bearing the brunt, it demonstrates a complicity of the populous.

[@annabellemansilla4691]

Excuse me, as a European, my great grandfather did not shove any Jew into any oven. Be specific about who did that and maybe those people should offer part of their state to the Jewish people.

[@UmarFarooq-nl4eq]

Lol he is literally justify everything just because people in past did horrific things with jews

[@branflakes054]

I agree and also stating that Europe hasn’t had to fight for anything is just a ridiculous thing to say

[@troyzieman7177]

You are painfully naive

[@ayoub8109]

the Palestinians are occupied for 75 years they have every right to fight back the occupation

[@hardikpandey8460]

You did

[@enkidughom2508]

Listening to a Brit referencing Britain to debate the morality of war is like eating beans for breakfast

[@andren8788]

BBQ the next morning.🤔 So.....

[@darranpurtill6075]

As an Irish person I agree . Just remember it was Britain that created the Israel state

[@Ffloreselectric.LBC.]

Beans are breakfast for 3/4 of the americas & carribean

[@wiggy5728]

It’s absurd int it, who the hell is this guy

[@sicdoc5839]

Americans, throwing stones in glass houses since 1776 😂

[@tttrrrification]

You are forgetting something crucial. When Israel tries to move civilians out of harms way in order to get to Hamas, the world then accuses them of ethnic cleansing

[@Sean-gj2td]

“There hasn’t been a war at home in the United Kingdom, except for that very recent one in Northern Ireland that still has huge ramifications today, in a very long time”

[@chasesommars4155]

This obtuse argument is insane. Killing innocent people will never be ok. War zone or no war zone. Mowing down people gathering flour for bread is not an excuse for mass execution.

[@DreadPages]

What about at a music festival?

[@aaronkelly3035]

Crazy you believe what terrorists say. Israel will be free from terrorists

[@georgiadawgs8260]

How do you fight a war without it?

[@silverback6497]

​@@DreadPages notice how he didn't justify that either, my god, the what aboutism is insanely common

[@silverback6497]

@@georgiadawgs8260 without civilians casualties you can't, but theres a scale, that makes it an acceptable military target, say there's 2 militants to one civilian, or even a 1 to one ratio, those are acceptable numbers on the international level, but 300 civilians to one possible militant isnt,

[@5dollarshake263]

This guy checked off all 12 of Ben Shapiro's talking points.

[@amsz6326]

Meaning he is a rational smart guy

[@jessicastrat9376]

Genetic fallacy

[@roysherwin9348]

@5dollarshake263 planning on addressing any of them? Or should the free world never wage war against people who put their military HQ underneath their own hospitals? 🏥

[@Arthur-Silva]

Ah, the good old Western propaganda on the JRE. "Britain had to make a decision to go fight the Nazis"..... he simply "forgot" to mention who actually ENDED the war. THE SOVIETS. To the UK and the US, war means business, and profits, the longer a war lasts, the better for the billionaires running the show. By the way, the only country that is still legally allowed to rally out in public, flying a swastika flag is the United States, everywhere else on the planet, it's illegal. In early 1945, Allied troops entered Germany. By mid-April, the SOVIETS had encircled the German capital of Berlin. On April 30, 1945, Adolf Hitler killed himself. The German armed forces surrendered unconditionally in the west on May 7 and in the east on May 9, 1945, bringing an end to World War II in Europe. You're welcome, Britain.

[@Arthur-Silva]

@@amsz6326 snart indeed.

[@TmcksnT]

Hamas should hide in this guy's home. Let's see if he changes his tune

[@gadaboutunited]

No, it would back his opinion that Israel ought to destroy Hamas, or did I miss something?

[@kekspeter]

He mentions anti-colonial wars where it's completely justifiable to rebel against British, American, or any other colonial power. Dude just disproved his own whole argument. Wow.

[@michaelkirshner3099]

Or if you rub your two braincells together you might actually realize that the colony detractor actually doesn't fit Israel at all

[@dashman1620]

Israel is a successful example of anti-colonialism by claiming their ancestral homeland against British Colonialism and Arab Imperialism

[@dashman1620]

Israel is the success story of anti-colonialism where they've return to their ancestral homeland that was controlled by the British and Arab imperialism.

[@davorrudovic9580]

The only thing is that Jews were on that land 1500 yeas before islam was created. The idea that they colonised israel is idiotic.

[@traytray4500]

@@davorrudovic9580you can’t be serious😭😭😭😭

[@webshiva]

The moral judgement by a Brit that starving people is a legitimate practice isn’t a surprise given what his country did to Ireland.

[@ingalook]

And India

[@maxokream6269]

& 1/2 the world

[@CantTellYou]

“that was just for funzies though innit mate?”

[@SuperMiguelish]

Israel sends food supplies to civilians while hamas takes it gluten themselves leaving innocent civilians starvimg

[@michellekatz1023]

He’s Irish too

[@thomaswhite7718]

It’s like these guys are trained to speak softly about terrible things so that you forget that it’s terrible

[@Kai-nh9ut]

Sometimes you got to do terrible things to survive. That is life. a lot of people in the comments dont understand this about life but their children will.

[@thomaswhite7718]

@@Kai-nh9ut Spoken like a true genocide denier. I’m sure that anyone who has ever carried one out shared this sentiment.

[@BirdsAreRobots-oe3sn]

He's out of his mind. US is the big dog with all the money and weapons. We should control Israel not the other way around. Why the US hasn't told them to stop the genocide is a question we all deserve an answer to? Why are we letting our little bitch in the middle east cause all this trouble?

[@MarkDenmark-nz2pz]

I have a psychological issues . I struggle to get over it and I work hard on it. But I can tell you , when I lie, I literally don’t feel any problem. It comes so normal. The lie detector doesn’t now sense a thing . I tried it . These guys like this.

[@thomaswhite7718]

@@Kai-nh9utYes I’m sure that’s how all of the perpetrators of genocide thought. And they still committed genocide.

[@bardgoldn]

Why is nobody outraged with Egypt or Jordan ? If they opened their borders for their own brethren, these civilians would have a safe place to go until the conflict is over.

[@___Anakin.Skywalker]

No, it will backfire actually. If Egypt and Jordan take in the refugees, those guys taken in will have no land to return to. Israel will deny them the right to return and so it will only be catering to Israel's plan of completely colonizing the whole of Palestine. And then, the host countries will be left with the refugee problemsl. It's not cheap to take them in, economics, healthcare, and other social ills that will arise. Also remember that these are highly traumatized refugees

[@carteranderson8639]

“These young never had to fight for anything” yeah tell that to my cracked skull circa Afghanistan 2013

[@Killa_Suerte]

Yeah…because most people in your generation was deployed overseas to the Middle East… You must have hit your head PRETTY hard.

[@gadaboutunited]

Oh effing please, whilst I more than most appreciate your sacrifice and you are a hero, you were not conscripted, you signed up willingly, and if not willingly there wasn't a gun to your head to do your duty. Further, your home, be it the US or UK, or perhaps elsewhere although I doubt it, was not in fear of being overrun; sporadic acts of terrorism is as bad as it gets in the West. The point you missed, which could be attributed to your cracked skull, is that the West (apart from the Ukraine) has a young population that for 2 generations has had zero fear of anything like that Israel is experiencing, ie being overrun by an enemy whose raison d'etre is to wipe them out. The last time the young in the West had to fight against oppression was to overthrow the evils of communism, a doctrine which ironically and tragically the students on campus are now inspired by, because they never lived through it. Before that, it was Nazism/fascism. The biggest issues the young have now are effing pronouns and other nonsense.

[@carteranderson8639]

Israel is not in threat of being wiped out, because it if it was, the narrative would be completely different. Israel has been committing a major human rights violation to the people of Palestine for the last hundred years and is now trying to justify a mass genocide with the excuse of, well they attacked us first. Yes, Israel has an enemy. But Israel is trying to exterminate the entire population for, and let’s be honesty, full control of the land/religion and resources and any excuse they can get, they will use. The world see’s it, and a majority stand with Palestine. And In case you missed it, I was in NYC when the towers fell down. I grew up watching the fight on CNN as I grew older and regardless if you believe in the conspiracy theory about Al Que da and the Taliban, American soldiers sign up to prevent it from getting to the point that America is on the brink of extinction. If you haven’t been overseas fighting and faced the death to America idealogy face to face then you damn sure can’t speak about if there’s a “real threat” or not

[@Tbh5000]

We, myself included, weren't fighting for America's very survival. Keep up

[@carteranderson8639]

@@Tbh5000 neither is Israel

[@christopherwyatt2771]

Holy fuck. Did he just say Cromwell fought for the "modern idea of democracy"? What the fuck is this guy on?

[@JakeJ.-yi1du]

Maybe he fought for the idea of democracy, but he certainly didn't practice it.

[@AgxntOrange]

Explains a lot actually, he's probably seething at the irish support for palestine too.

[@NostalgiaVomitBootlegs]

Just an idiot cramming the largest words he knows on top of one another to justify genocide. Period.

[@thebillryan]

Yeah, us Irish really loved Cromwell's brand of democracy!

[@AK-ms5zk]

Yeah you caught that to

[@aidenhunglow1030]

This is one of the dumbest takes I’ve heard

[@___412]

Same. Joe comparing Mexican gangs to Hamas. Mexican gangs would never be as motivated as Hamas to slaughter civilians because Hamas conflict is about RELIGION not MONEY. Hamas has religious reasons for hating and wanting to kill Jews

[@onepunchman8328]

you never really watched the video

[@liorzelering5988]

The smartest one, you are the dumb one

[@simplejan5942]

​@@onepunchman8328 its pretty stupid to argue about morality from a podcast. If he was a soldier in the war, then his take would be worth anything.

[@liorzelering5988]

The truth hurts, try to use your brain more

[@al3615]

Why do you have ill informed people on your show Joe? this guy talking about young people as if he knows anything about history is absurd!!

[@barneyrubble8255]

Joe is either forced to have these people on, or he's doing it on purpose, either way he's usinig his podcast for war propaganda.

[@yoylos3p]

Do you not see young people today? Weaklings like this government. Not only that m, many hate this country. He sounds pretty informed.

[@Thegaoat]

@@barneyrubble8255 it's good to bring in people with b different views and beliefs. So that the show isn't one giant echo chamber.

[@barneyrubble8255]

@@Thegaoat He hasnt brought on any of the journalists who are covering this who have a fair perspective and accurate information. Sure some of his buddies are anti war......but that's differnt, he cant control what his friends say, this guy was purposely brought on as a war propagandist, whos next should he give a platform to john bolton so his show isnt a giant echo chamber?

[@oSiiKModding]

@@ThegaoatJoe pushed back on everything this foo said, some people will cry no matter what celebs do

[@ilyassbouioitlan7701]

6:32 Israeli snipers targeted aid workers, medics, journalists and children according to the UN.

[@TheSarinaide]

There is nothing on this online,much noise out of Gaza is made up

[@danielrusso2117]

Completely untrue

[@aplainbagel6619]

@@danielrusso2117source

[@ilyassbouioitlan7701]

@@danielrusso2117 Could you elaborate on how is this untrue? I'd love to hear your take!

[@HendrixTaylor24]

According to the UN…lol. Farce of an organisation.

[@taraalbarran]

Listening to his logic is extremely unsettling. How can these people not see that INNOCENT PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE TO DIE??

[@tituslaird1265]

Listening to your logic is unsetlling. You: "Look Israel I know that for 70 years the Palestinian government has supported, funded, and taught terrorists who rape, murder, and kill Jews simply because they are Jews, but you should just lay down and take it. I mean look, even though we are rewarding terrorists by refusing to kill them if they hide behind their own familie's lives, not to mention allowing them to repeat more attacks on your own women and children in the future, it's still wrong to try to kill them." The inverted morality is shocking to see.

[@WizardOVOz]

“Innocent people do not deserve to die” When Hamas says they will conduct October 7 attacks again and again, that is exactly what Israel is trying to prevent. Why can’t you see that if you don’t want endless innocent deaths year after year ?

[@gzman1]

what did they expect when the attacked ? or maybe rebel/vote out Hamas, o right they are not a democracy...

[@mz4kids]

are you referring to the children hunted down and killed on October 7 ? Hunted down and killed

[@OKers999]

@@mz4kidsthis all didn’t start on October 7th. Learn your history

[@Funkmondays]

This guy brushed off the Ireland conflict like it was peanuts. Wow

[@easydoesit83]

They have a habit of doing that

[@antwandadon2341]

@@easydoesit83They or (((they)))?

[@duncefunce1513]

He's Irish, and historically very pro-The Republic of Ireland. So much so that his old publication was accused of being pro-IRA.

[@hannesgranlund8838]

Still, he brushes off a thirty year long war like nothing

[@duncefunce1513]

@@hannesgranlund8838 they weren't talking about Northern Ireland. Had that been the subject at hand, O'Neil would have had a lot to say about it.

[@medialucia8241]

This guy is not just a clown; he is the whole circus, complete with the freak show.

[@barneyrubble8255]

Why is joe using his platform to push war propagandists

[@adirsab]

Why? Because you hate Jews? Or because of something else?

[@JoeSmith-vo8cs]

Supporting baby killers and stoning innocent women is crazy they brought this on themselves

[@adirsab]

and you are a bot

[@goovialisticprofunks]

Sounds like you need to learn how to learn.

[@redbeardjohnson2570]

Damn I gotta side with the “who the fk is this guy?” Guy lol

[@lI_LoCo_Il]

He sounds like a British politician, the speech patterns are exactly like Sunak and what he says is exactly like an Israel spokesperson

[@simba8665]

Very delusional indeed

[@chi15800]

except that he only said true correct stuff if you think about it without any bias ;)

[@jankaufmann4305]

The discussion in this war is absurd. First. Israel acted selflessly to live in peace with the Palestinians in Gaza. It was more than a decade ago when Israel itself ordered Israeli citizens who had lived there for decades to literally leave their homes. The first thing the Palestinians did in return was to elect a government that enshrined the goal of destroying Israel in the constitution. The elected government followed through with its promise. Since its founding, thousands of rockets have flown into Israeli settlement areas. Dozens of civilians died in terrorist attacks. Millions of aid funds - intended for civilian institutions - were misused to sponsor this terrorism. October 7th was just what Humus had been doing for years. Secondly. Israel behaved more humanely in this conflict than any other conceivable party in any imaginable conflict. It allowed Palestinians to work in Israel, receive medical care or even migrate to Israel. During war, they warn civilians where their military is operating. They admit collateral damage and apologize for it. The situation is clear. In no other conflict the responsibility for the suffering has been so one sided and clear - in no other conflict have the perpetrators been held accountable so weakly. People with voice and power who claim to reject war and the nature of war have a duty to unequivocally name the culprit of this war and do everything in their power to eliminate them. Everything else is responsibility for the resulting suffering and is as history has proved continuing this madness.

[@rolon4260]

He is MOST PROBABLY PAID HANDSOMELY by his isreali masters and has clearly handed his soul to the devils

[@chi15800]

@@jankaufmann4305 yeah cause humus are literally a death cult that see pally deaths as heroism even for kids, they don't care about their own lives let alone pally people, all they wanna do is keep doing oct7ths and even at larger scales if they could, up to the ultimate scale. yet millions in the west march and protest for them =)) the post-truth society is a wild place

[@yazenwekhyan7178]

The lesson here is that you can be well spoken and ignorant simultaneously.

[@TheJas7271]

Sometimes it’s not even just ignorance, you also have to be wicked to justify 💣 children, elders women civilians.

[@barneyrubble8255]

This british clown is making money of the killing of children, in one way or another. Strange joe keeps having these guys on, but none of the voices who are against whats happening

[@adirsab]

Did you write this about yourself?

[@robertpirsig5011]

His arguments are insane. No justification for any of what he's spouting

[@Dascorpio36]

@@adirsab🤡

[@sk83ryash]

Also I'd like to ask, why are "the horrors of war" present in the West bank? No Hamas there right?

[@shimshon6613]

What horrors of war?? There are a lot of Hamas in Judea and Samaria ("west bank") Educate yourself

[@roejogan9322]

What horrors of war are in the West Bank?

[@killedit2725]

"war is not the ugliest thing. lack of a belief that anything is worth a war is worse". has this gentleman fought in a war? how much are lives worth to you sir?are ideas bigger than lives?

[@joshuamartin4849]

As a vet I can assure you no war is just. You are only being used. There are no winners. No glory. No heros.

[@No_ReGretzky99]

Sorry man you had to be put through that I tried to join the military at 19 but I had a withdrawal Caesar from alcohol from bad choices I wanted to be a fighter pilot and fly f-16s and if I couldn't fly them I wanted to fly the f-15 strike eagle thank you for your service❤❤❤❤

[@TroyJScott]

“War doesn’t make boys men, War makes men dead”

[@rstone3317]

Thank you for your service, Joshua. I'm sorry our nation took it for granted.

[@osawatomie]

I’m sorry for your service, but sounds like you’ve become wiser because of it 🤜🏿

[@10oner]

U arent a real vet u are a pog

[@CK-lq5gm]

A Brit talking about morally justifying occupation and civilian casualties?! shocking....

[@anglodoomer5995]

O'Neill is Irish

[@reyrodriguez4280]

@@anglodoomer5995maybe his ancestors were but he talks and acts like a Brit, was probably raised there

[@grlfcgombeenhunter2897]

@@reyrodriguez4280 west Brit

[@JonathanMullan25]

As a Irishman watching this, it doesn't surprise me. he gives a complete green light to the Zionist regime. Prick makes me sick, just like black and tans

[@gideonkaufmann1899]

There is no occupation... Disputed maybe.... Name a war where civilians have never died? Hypocrite!

[@sevrinbrown3821]

It’s super ironic that he talks about wars against colonialism being just wars, and basically makes the case for why the Gazans have the right to fight back and he doesn’t realize

[@nerkfumgogi798]

they had a chance at peace and fucked up in every turn...too late for them.

[@sevrinbrown3821]

@@nerkfumgogi798 when do you think they had a chance at peace?

[@alexchertin3]

Freedom for Alaskas people!

[@ericdiaz-arguelles8260]

This guy sounds like a very slick Netanyahu spokesperson. Extremely one sided and simplistic.

[@patrickrobinson7541]

It’s fascinating to see this guy talking about young people when people who are older than the state of Israel’s itself criticize Israel

[@onepunchman8328]

so do they criticize palestine

[@robfarrell9104]

And yet those same critics are silent on the Ukraine conflict.

[@just_the_messenger]

Classic anti-Israeli non sequitur. He is talking about young western ignoramuses who support Hamas because they are "oppressed". They aren't. If they used the billions in aid money the west has sent them for anything other than making their leaders in Qatar billionaires and bombs, they could be a flourishing people. But they aren't and they are two b*tch made to admit it's their own fault.

[@patrickrobinson7541]

@@robfarrell9104 some people are but some aren’t.

[@patrickrobinson7541]

@@onepunchman8328 yes they do

[@Rlntlssblvr]

Why are both of you not talking about why Hamas exists??

[@AwgTheMMAlover]

Its not even a theory, its stated fact in interviews. On point good Sir.

[@user-ny2en5og9p]

It exists because Bibi satanyahu funded Hamas via Qatar to divide Palestine and PLO

[@hahayes5232]

Because most people don’t actually care to look into history that deeply and because others are paid not to care.

[@layinlow77]

Or that Pa lesti nians had been the victims of violent persecution for 40 yrs before it existed.

[@dadistos4538]

@@layinlow77 you're gonna play the persecution game with the J's? LMAO

[@TheeChronicle]

Nicely done👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾Rogans liberal side kicked back in with that great point about hamas in jewish hospital. I love how he couldn't answer the question

[@rdman86]

Calls Hamas a barbaric army because they stab and kill civilians then proceeds to defend Israel for bombing and killing civilians because “that’s just war, innit?”

[@mohamedalahmadani5174]

Exactly

[@layinlow77]

hypocrisy off the charts.

[@TheBadBunny87]

War fighters in civilian clothing*

[@dadistos4538]

Meh, not really comparable tbh. One is personal, and without warning; the other is impersonal and directed specifically at soldiers, soldiers that choose to hide in areas populated by innocent lives. Weird how they went south with the flow of civilians instead of staying in an area where they know THEIR PEOPLE wouldn't be, but so is an extremist death cult, idolizing being "martyred" and hoping their civilians will feel the same.

[@qooiuler]

Well Hamas did it because they hate jews and want to exterminate them in any gruesome manner. Hamas is a terrorist organisation and Israel actions is to get rid of a terrorist ruled state. I don't like that Israel is bombing like crazy but I myself know nothing of war so I wouldn't know any other alternative. I think letting Hamas continue like nothing happened is the biggest mistake and its signalling that they have a very effective tactic of making themselves untouchable

[@allanr143]

Dude definitely expected Joe to just fold on him and agree. It's not ok to kill innocent people, it doesn't matter how many words you use to explain it, how much it was done in the past, or whose homeland you're attempting to establish.

[@dshappir]

He didn't say killing innocent people is "ok". He said the deaths of innocent people is unfortunately unavoidable in war. Especially when their own government is using them as Human Shields, building bunkers under their homes, fighting out of uniform, and firing from behind them.

[@allanr143]

@@dshappir watch it again man. Joe makes a point that he wouldn't be ok with "unavoidable" deaths if they were Jewish. Bombing a hospital is not "unavoidable".

[@BobbyIsmaiel2424]

@@dshappirno evidence of human shield. Only Israeli peddled propaganda

[@ehaaron]

"innocent people" ok

[@geronimo80140]

What a ridiculous summary of what he was saying

[@user-fu4nw1sh3n]

The irony of an american getting moral about civilian casualties is off the scale. Has Joe forgotten about Horoshima and Nagasaki? Possibly the biggest deliberate massacre of civilians in a single day in human history.

[@thesaucegod4836]

what makes u think joe agrees with hiroshima or nagasaki. he wasnt the one who pushed the button to fire those nukes just because hes american.

[@user-fu4nw1sh3n]

@@thesaucegod4836 I wasn't saying Joe agreed with dropping the nukes. What I was trying to say, is that Joe's opinion that civilians getting killed in a war is wrong, doesn't particualrly sit well with US history. Neither is is particularly realistic.

[@gangstalker0]

You forget that Japan was a ruthless nation that would have fought for every square inch of their island. It was estimated that there would be an 84% casualty rate for American soldiers if we invaded the Japanese mainland. Dropping the bombs prevented the deaths of 1,000,000 Americans. We dropped the bombs to end the war and to send a message to the Japanese that they could never win.

[@user-fu4nw1sh3n]

@@gangstalker0 I forget nothing. You presume too much. You also missed my point entirely. In the historical context of WW2, I believe dropping the bombs was the right thing to do. That was never my point. The issue was that Joe was getting all moralistic about civilian casualties in the Gaza war. Yes, they should be minimised were possible, but it is not a reason to refuse to fight a just war, against a toxic power that is hell bent on genocide.

[@damienpace7350]

Wasn't wrong then and its not wrong for Israel to clear about Hamas. The palestinians should go to Egypt

[@abouhassanwahab1060]

The more he spoke the sicker i got

[@MinhasBrothers]

You’re right. It was literally nauseating

[@Montyvegas66]

Digging up graves & removing bodies all for new settlements is heartbreaking for the whole of humanity

[@information_handle]

Can you think of any other reason they would dig them? Perhaps a habit of one side of the conflict to peddle in corpses?

[@yakov95000]

Digging up Graves was how Israel found dead hostages...

[@ahmedarish7720]

Because they are Evil

[@Mj_Billz]

@@yakov95000 you believe that nonsense, funny stuff.

[@user-mu4hg8zy4q]

No kidding. I've never seen anything so evil. We are seeing children being killed and amputated every day, most with no anesthetics. They are an Apartheid State. The idf is full of shit. Lies, lies, lies.

[@JoeRivera]

Nah bro this dude is wild, his argument is built on a foundation that is crumbling right in front of the world for everyone to see

[@adirsab]

bot

[@PastaCool]

​@@adirsabschizophrenic

[@jameswalker8903]

Who pushed who into an oven?! Who is this guy and why does he have no clue!?

[@phildingman5608]

The terrible truth of the matter is this - if one wants a meaningful discussion on this, first revisit the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the wise words of Edwin Montagu, a Jewish member of British Parilament who strongly opposed a homeland for jewish people. Debate that first.

[@dan15000]

The ‘moral’ argument for bombing civilians???

[@jakobsrensen1684]

The moral failure lies in the hands of Hamas

[@anthonygil1522]

Really unbelievable....

[@littlecatfeet9064]

See Dresden, WWII. Civilian deaths are always terrible, but this war was started by an action of terror by Hamas, whose strategy is always using civilian human shields. Why did they never build bomb shelters for their people in 15 years? They were receiving billions in aid.

[@Darkenergy104]

​@littlecatfeet9064 you do realize that Dresden was condemned by the allies and why international law was created...at this point why even discuss war crimes?

[@ayoub8109]

the Palestinians are occupied for 75 years they have every right to fight back the occupation

[@Mistertainment]

This guy got his talking points directly from the IDF

[@liorzelering5988]

Maybe he should take them from Iran

[@jonathanjinez1523]

​@@liorzelering5988you must know from all you war experience.

[@Mistertainment]

@@liorzelering5988 you sound like you’re a proponent of the spontaneous squatting escapades movement!

[@AlexanderY18]

Now, let's see if you can actually articulate a real argument?....

[@trhtkify]

try and disprove them mate, you are empty of substance

[@04mdsimps]

Steve harvey at the Nuremberg trials: “they did what with the ovens?”

[@nameleszreviews5232]

This is an unpopular point but... In the U.S. civil war, the North did NOT go to war with the South over Slavery. Slavery was indeed a huge issue at the time, but the Northern (Yankee) government stated multiple times going into the war that they weren't fighting over slavery. The U.S. government doesn't care if people are slaves. They like indentured servitude. The real issue was land. The U.S. government was not about to give up all the potential profit that would be made from taxing the people and land in the South. Abraham Lincoln ended slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation as a political move to gain more supporters (cause the North was starting to lose the war). Never forget that. The government DID NOT free the slaves because they care. They did it to gain political ground so they could take back the lands of the South for profit. These statements are not a reflection of my opinions. These are simply historical facts. I believe slavery is morally wrong. I'm just pointing out that the U.S. government is deceitful. What does this have to do with Israel/Palestine? Governments are deceitful. All of them. The goals of the Israeli government/politicians are not the same as the goals of the Jewish people. They want land.

[@Biostalker420]

I'm making a moral judgement on Mr O'Neill and it's not good.

[@anglodoomer5995]

hes written in defence of child predators before

[@docwashburn430]

​@anglodoomer5995 Link please?

[@adamcraig1468]

Moral based on what standard?

[@Benbones99]

So invading Nazi Germany was bad according to your logic.

[@prohibitions1571]

Stupid people tend to think like you.

[@dannyurbinder5965]

Thank you! Finally, a lucid and morally coherent analysis of what is actually happening. He is totally correct in saying that we in the west have the luxury of passing moral judgement at a time when we do not have to face an existential threat as Israel is.

[@jeremylonsdale3350]

How many wars are we going to start because of a war that happen almost a century ago.

[@hb9149]

People is Gaza were shot when they tried to access food aid. This is not a just war.

[@nayastah1439]

This is NOT a war. The Palestinians do NOT have any military, no army, no soldiers no tanks, no jets, no bombs, no drones, etc, nothing to defend themselves with!! The other side is armed to the teeth from the No.1 military industrial complex in the world.

[@waterbear1337]

Have you been to war? That is the reality of war! That is part of war, you can't wage wars and be polite! That's why we should avoid war, and hamas started it!

[@shitinsideyou]

Did you mean Hamas members? Same thing happened to ISIS, they got killed while trying to get some food, poor people... We all should cry now.

[@samehabuerreish8785]

@@waterbear1337 That is what happens between combatants . Not against unarmed civilians . You are calling war crimes . War Gazans are occupied people . They don’t have a sovereign state This is a genocide aided by USA

[@RuiFonseca86]

@@shitinsideyou what the f**k are you talking about? How can children be consider Hamas members? You have problems

[@jackhammerside]

It's nice to drop this snippet on here so that I know not to bother with this episode on Spotify

[@donottman2018]

You shouldnt bother with any episodes to be fair😂

[@hatsofftoroyharper2]

100%

[@billyglimstead5204]

He's back on KZbin full episodes

[@gagediffee2722]

Factssss

[@gagediffee2722]

The amount of factual selectivity makes me wanna throw up. Maybe just start with the fact that Israel is in a apartheid state? As deemed by nearly every human rights group out there. INCLUDING THOSES IN ISRAEL

[@gregrobbins9493]

Ok, Hamas killed Israelis, knowing Israel would retaliate. I don't think anyone can dispute that. Did Hamas think they could actually defeat the Israelis'? Hamas wanted a fight but hides behind civilians. Hamas know western people will support their killing of Israelis if Israel kills Gazans to get to them. It is very easy to get western people to think the way you want them to think, even if it means supporting terrorists

[@malealoy5622]

so it's ok for you if some foreigners from a completely different continent invaded your home and labeled you as a terrorist for fighting back? lots of ashkeNAZI jews are converts not real jews by jews standards, they belong in European land where they were tortured by germans, Germany owes them land, even if they were actual jews, they don't have any moral priority to Palestinian land over any arab, especially the arab Palestinian Jews or christian Palestinians or Palestinian Muslims. Palestinians regardless to religion don't owe any foreign Europeans any land and they have all the right to fight back, even if you ignorantly and uninteligently perceive resistance as terrorism. I dare you to just stand by if a criminal came into your house and robbed it. that's exactly what you're asking the the natives of the land to do. Colonialism is terrorism and resistance to is perfectly legal. IOF is a terrorist for stealing native people's lands. It's not complicated. About the civilians point, the Palestinians have far better accuracy targeting actual armed colonial ashkeNazis than IOF does, most of the dead from the colonialists were actual soldiers, over 50% (can't say the same about that failure of an Isratrash army that killed mostly women and children , journalists and medical staff, according to experts and many human rights organizations). The unarmed land grabbers definitely were killed, but it is unclear if they were targeted by the resistance as much as they were targeted by the Hannibal directive which is an Israeli law to obliterate israelis captured by the resistance. there's footage from israeli choppers proving iof targeted their own "civilians" and there's a lot of testimony from israeli survivors proving israeli tanks targeted them, and "their" shelters and homes. the resistance didn't have the power to eliminate that many people with Ak's and paragliders in 2 days. it's much more logical to assume that the deaths of the unarmed israelis are majorly the result of israeli terrorism. When people with aks and paragliders are more accurate targeting the armed than the most funded and supported army in the world by the west, then you clearly have no excuse playing the human shields excuse.. you have far better arms and tech and you only manage to get about 10-15% accuracy? that's clearly embarrassing for such a spoiled army unless they are intentionally targeting civilians which is clearly what's happening. btw human rights organizations proved that there isn't any real evidence the natives used human shields and they have far more evidence proving the ashkenazi army used humans( even children) as shields in combat. There's countless footage of this.

[@malealoy5622]

idk what point you're trying to make, so just because everyone knows iof would retaliate by targeting women and children and hospitals and journalists, then the natives of the land are supposed to just wait for a slower pace of land grabbing and ethnic cleansing and children kidnapping? of course they won't singlehandedly beat pampered IDF but that doesn't mean they are better off not fighting back against colonialism, look at the west bank, there's no "terrorists" there yet children and villagers are slain by the sadistic pampered land grabbers continuously before and after 0tober 7.. you're naive and completely stupid if you think dropping their arms would give them a life with dignity. What everyone expected is some retaliation and for israel to bring back kidnapped men women and children from Israeli concentration camps to the Palestinian people that they held there indefinitely for so long without real charges, and for Palestinians to bring back the prisoners they captured in 0tober 7 in a deal. Seems like you're saying if you know you're up against the idf then you shouldn't complain when they target civilians like an absolute terrorist army. also the resistance have tunnels everybody knows that, they don't hide in hospitals refugee camps or residential buildings if they did they would have been whiped out because they aren't many and most buildings in Gaza are completely flattened, I don't think anyone can dispute that, yet there's a lot more footage of iof targeting residential buildings and hospitals rather than tunnels.

[@gg4whm0]

Well said

[@hassanattar9697]

Joe needs to have Bassem Yousef on. It would get a lot of views and the discussion would be insightful. Plus they're both comedians

[@latesk8er]

Thank you Joe for pushing back against this ridiculous guy.

[@HankSemoreButz]

He didn’t make a good rebuttal

[@chrisbrown2211]

He needs Dave Smith there

[@HankSemoreButz]

@@chrisbrown2211 Dave tries to ride the fence like a stripper rides a pole…

[@gsp3428]

Ridiculous to people like you Hamas people.

[@vanyllinha]

Please bring Abby Martin

[@robertmontalvo597]

The first casualty of war is the truth

[@FlCarScene]

Yes and it was Palestinians who were attacked first

[@alitharealist4730]

@@FlCarScene 75 yrs ago?

[@sniper161718]

Good one

[@johnalexander4940]

Truth doesn't bleed persons do. The obligation to adhere to Truth standards die at the hands of those who deny its power to act righteously.

[@sami7ny]

Sure 75 years ago and every freakin year after that. Your colonialist mindset will not let you see that. You can’t just get away with it. Call them whatever you like, they have every right whatsoever to rise up against the people oppressing and occupying them

[@JeffVanDusseldorp]

It's weird when Joe Rogan is the one being reasonable.

[@LUCACAMPBELL-ny4qt]

200,000 civilian deaths in the 6-7months of the Gulf war and this does not include combatants. In the 6 months of the Gaza war there is less than 40K deaths including combatants while fighting in a densely populated area. Stop claiming genocide in the Gaza strip. Stop trying to put a spin on the genocide declared by Iran on Israel.

[@rsakhaled]

Give them England as their own country.

[@Dave-cf4vd]

"They" (the UN) gave Jews Israel and gave Palestinians Jordan. It is already settled.

[@Qleverett]

He said they were attacked for race… not that they stole land n are ethnicity cleansing

[@Sharkdanceteacher]

This guy would find a way to defend British history of killing people in foreign lands

[@quercus3290]

they already have that country

[@rsakhaled]

@@Dave-cf4vd nope they the UN say westbank and Gaza including Jerusalem are occupued by the GENOCIDE ARMY.

[@sampson4886]

Yeah screw this guy this isnt even a "war"

[@gsp3428]

Oh Israel is just supposed to stop, this isnt a game, If Hamas actually cared about their people they could surrender any time. But they dont for some reason.

[@Lockdown335]

@@gsp3428 Average social media Hamas bot: "Did Israel just try being nice?" LOL

[@AD-kf5po]

@@gsp3428They can keep going. But need to cut it out with calling others terrorist when they are committing terroristic acts themselves. They are no longer the “good” guys

[@dewmontain123]

He says young people aint ever been to war. When the fook has he been to war? 😂

[@rustneversleeps85]

It is a war. Hamas represents the Palestinian vote. They voted for ppl who organized and did these atrocities to Israeli civilians. It is a declaration of war.

[@beesechurgermclovin7199]

Guess this dude didnt hear about Israel deliberately targeting 3 separately and clearly marked aid vehicles with precision drone strikes.

[@damienpace7350]

Didn't happen

[@olleyprice6978]

These are exactly the same talking points that people used to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[@Sam-us7tg]

Joe has gotten so good at just letting guest dig themselves into logical holes all the while keeping distance and disagreeing politely.

[@anthonygil1522]

It was amazing ...I don't know how Joe keeps his composure so well...

[@Sam-us7tg]

@@anthonygil1522 he’s come such a long way from when he went meathead on Stephen Crowder all those years ago

[@Dremth]

It's pretty bold to keep asking the question of what is "morally" right, yet still implying the answer is: "killing innocent civilians is a means to an end."

[@MitchellRMiller-lt1xi]

Your ignorance about war, the history of war, and the laws of war, is just proof of the total failure of the educational system. I don't hold that against you. What I do hold against you is offering an opinion about something about which you know nothing.

[@tevildo45]

The people who scream loudest for war do so from the comfort of their own armchairs. They know they will not have to fight the wars themselves

[@brnm973]

@@MitchellRMiller-lt1xi War is a faliure of human endeavor on every front. Knowing the history of it will teach you that.

[@holydivurMLG]

@@tevildo45 except the jihadist that kill people and scream jihad jihad jihad

[@angru_arches]

@@tevildo45 the people who scream the loudest for ceasefire have never been threatened existentially...thus, the ignorance of "luxurious moralising."

[@alvaroishere]

I hate how he doesn't address any of the points Joe is making following Joe's statements with 'Yeah but'

[@Bu_Fr7]

“I can’t think of any war in history were haven’t been civilian casualties “ what kind of argument and justification is this!!! This is so wrong on many different levels! And still you cannot argue that we can do it because others did it! As if we never learnt any lessons from previous wars in human history!!

[@adirsab]

he is right 100% you are wrong

[@Leo-ym9ls]

Joe, invide your old friend Abby Martin to discuss this issue

[@paraguita10]

I think he doesn’t want to hear what really is going on there

[@seansean7653]

He's not allow .. probably will lose some sponsorship.

[@Drenny1]

Abby doesn’t come off as credible. I like her, but there are more knowledgeable and rational advocates for the Palestinians out there.

[@kidheyful]

Ahh abby. The woman who refuses to denounce Hamas. Sure. Then bring on Finkelstein too. Reputable people..

[@bdalack]

Yeah, that paid Al Jazeera mouthpiece who can vomit lies with a straight face who openly admits that she doesn`t even know really what happened on Oct. 7, but that does not prevent her from parroting the lies to accuse Israel of every imaginable crime. What a waste of human life

[@eoghanleinster]

What's Britain excuse for occupying Ireland 🇮🇪 🤔

[@chivomartinez]

What’s the arabs excuse to invade Spain 🇪🇸🤔

[@naseeha450]

What's Israel excuse for occupying Palestinians land ​@@chivomartinez

[@theearthisntflat5863]

​@@chivomartinez If you read history, after the Islamic conquest, Spain became one of the richest countries, and Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in luxury until the Crusades came. Which carried out massacres against Jews, Muslims, and opposing Christians. If what you are saying is true, the Spaniards would still hate Muslims, but anyone who reads history knows that the largest massacres in Spain were at the hands of campaigns Crusader

[@melbialo4919]

​@@theearthisntflat5863Jews did NOT live in luxury under Spanish rule...ever heard of the Inquisition?! Literally one of the biggest forms of persecution against the Jewish people happened under Spanish & Portuguese rule in the 14/1500s...Jews were almost never living in great conditions...something gentiles generally agreed on across the board historically was that they hated Jewish people. Muslims 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼Christians 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼Catholics🫱🏻‍🫲🏼Pagans all hated Jews historically speaking..

[@deanwolf6811]

@@chivomartinez read history and talk after

[@lances4537]

I dont get why no one is saying Hamas should surrender. Not one person, its insane

[@jasonwolfe1318]

So Joe’s argument is that no war should ever be fought? Or just wars when the combatants are nice enough to not hide behind civilians?

[@lldemise_ll]

"You know what's worse than killing innocent civilians... people not wanting innocent civilians to be killed" - Brendan O'Neil

[@joweydelanota7421]

Genocidal statement of the year

[@alniter1919]

That was a bar .... 💯💯💯

[@Poopopotamusgaming]

Nah it was more like not wanting innocent civilians to be killed over and over and over again. Whereas they take out Hamas now and it should be over unless palestine attacks again

[@ehaaron]

"innocents". how many would you say are innocent, excluding the population under 18.

[@joweydelanota7421]

@@ehaaron how many according to you?

[@Tina_Fay]

I cannot believe Joe has listened to Abby Martin talk for hours and he has no rebuttal

[@21972012145525]

I know. 🤦

[@GaryARahn]

Good interviewers let the person express themselves. It's not a debate, it's an interview.

[@garrettramirez428]

​@@GaryARahnSo when's he having Abby Martin on again?

[@ryandamon9390]

Where's Bassem

[@21972012145525]

@@ryandamon9390 im literally waiting for basem

[@sebastianalegria3401]

In my opinion, we're not prepared to argue over this conflict in the Western world, however we all want this War to stop as innocent people are involved in it. So, the best thing you can be doing right now is to pray for those who suffer from the consequences of all of this

[@jaycaldwellwin1271]

As a black man that has been to Isreal and Palastine many times, I’m so grateful for Joe Rogan. He will be on the right side of history.

[@sashaghovanlou8175]

The most ironic part of this whole dialogue was when he talks about "just" causes for wars and mentions populations fighting against "colonialism" He doesn't even realize.....

[@raptor1672]

So Islam and Arabs just showed up in Israel by teleportation?🤣

[@anthonygil1522]

Exactly! Like he thinks this thing just started on Oct 7 Just unreal how clueless he is...

[@Joseph-uj2sk]

Some people are just stupid mate, anyone who thinks this war started Oct 7 is just a moron

[@johnostro7153]

Yeah he's got a touch of the downs

[@Michael2512]

Hahahahah yep!

[@gallaxseizor9216]

Remember, speaking sophisticated and sounding intelligent doesn't mean you have high IQ and this vid speaks it perfectly

[@pmwtf7406]

Best comment of the year anywhere, right on

[@duncefunce1513]

But being unable to demonstrates that you have a low one, Mr Speaking Sophisticated

[@gallaxseizor9216]

@@duncefunce1513 ?? Anyways

[@Brandon-tk2rw]

Jesus, use grammerly. Or find an adult to help your writing.

[@Brandon-tk2rw]

"anyway"

[@nilist9995]

This isn’t perspective. It’s justification. Look, can we have a dialogue from people that are being honest? This is a very complicated subject with huge ramifications for the whole world.

[@shlodidodi]

@4:00 - Imagine the cartels were not just cartels, but the elected representative government. Should the people who brought them into power be immune to the poor choices made by those they elected?

[@youcefdjameleddinemechta3656]

"you're not supposed to make moral judgement" proceeds to make moral judgement

[@karthiks2383]

He’s a nitwit, cringe listening to this guy. Joe Rogan on the other hand, is a legend.

[@HankSemoreButz]

Think you missed the point…

[@UserOfTheDay]

How could you not care more about your own people than the enemy’s people? This is the only reason you exist right now.

[@HankSemoreButz]

@@UserOfTheDay triggered person of the day

[@tanyac2368]

You weren’t listening he said it’s unfashionable to make moral judgements but it’s something we must do sometimes

[@Daddaddaddaddaddaddad]

Dude has rewritten history to justify his argument.

[@beetalius]

what part of history has he rewritten?

[@HankSemoreButz]

@@beetaliusdad here is just being triggered

[@DanielinAction]

@@beetaliusthe part where Muslims lie and rape.

[@layinlow77]

@@beetalius He just leaves out the fact that Israel violently removed some 750,000 Palestinians from their land in 1948 and has persecuted them since. Tries to make it sound like it's all just a matter of hating Joos. And then simply denies their current war crimes that the whole world can see.

[@adamcraig1468]

Israel existed before Palestine

[@osamaalrumaidh2402]

There is a big difference between lunching a war where only Hamas combatants are fought and a massacre where the most number of casualties are civilians. Also, having wars started throughout history doesn’t mean that war should always be the solution. Especially if the war is made against the victims of more than 75 years of apartheid and occupation.

[@seanmurphy1578]

WAR IS THE MOST HORRIFIC THING EVER. AND ALL WARS CAN BE PREVENTED. IT JUST TAKES CONVERSATION UNTIL COMPROMISES ARE MET.

[@yt.personal.identification]

When comparing this to WW2, he seems to ve confused on who is perpetrating a genocide.

[@Jeremy-ke3bb]

Hamas is committing genocide indeed.

[@yt.personal.identification]

@@Jeremy-ke3bb That doesn't even make sense.

[@fennecinspace]

Can we all just remember that having a British accent doesn't mean you're not stupid ... Just take into account any recent british prime minister.

[@adamwaterhouse]

Yes, absolutely. Americans are waaaay too easily taken in by the British accent. I say this as a Brit.

[@haqq1]

dont forget Douglas Murray...

[@0i0l0o]

😂

[@lolaceline1654]

😂😂😂 true

[@1goal1]

😂

[@peterkirby7546]

I think the most important questions in any discussion like this are: 'what do we want to happen next', 'what can realistically happen next', and 'how will the consequences echo into the future'? Focussing on moral responsibility will get us no-where, because both sides will continue to scream at each other passionately, claiming that they are the ones who have been the most violated, until the end of time. The is no 'solution', there can only be mitigation. We must ask what truly realistic and viable actions will save the most lives, and prevent the most suffering, projecting into the future for decades to come? People for sure even have differing views about the best answer to that question... but, at least I feel that it is a better and more useful question to ask than, 'who is most morally justified'.

[@Coolman1985]

What this interview taught me is that, you think what you think and I think what I think

[@lilkerm82]

Who is this guy? Has he served in any military? Why is he justifying wrong doings with historical wrong doings? I hate that people like him get a voice smh.

[@MandeepSingh-ki6ve]

Forreal, comparing wars from 200 years ago to today and justifying killing innocent lives is lunacy.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: - To defend,support policies of - Starvation,Death Camps,Gas Chambers/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc - Democratic or Nazi?

[@olisaemekaoliver1097]

What is he justifying? You clearly omit the fact that hamas instigated all this by committing a genocide

[@curtisswarhawk539]

It's good cuz people listen to him and realize it's all bullshit.

[@aarondetinne8128]

I have served in the military and deployed multiple times to the ME... have you? Is my opinion more valid than yours then?

[@Jonathanismyname]

Imagine moving into a neighborhood, creating a compound where only certain people are elevated to membership, buying and stealing land of people who have been in the area for hundreds of years, and then complaining when the people surrounding your compound hate you. Wild.

[@FacePunchSammich]

Uhhh that’s kinda what happens when two groups fight a literal war and one side loses…🤷‍♂️ How’s this “wild” when it’s happened countless time in history and still happens?

[@ikramabbasi6901]

Oppressor and victim at the same moment. If we see Jews history they are well known prophet killers. Last was Jesus Christ and there were many many more in there long history so killing innocent people is not any moral burden for them only GODS wrath can change them so let’s pray in the name of Almighty.

[@MitchellRMiller-lt1xi]

Like the Arabs did in 638 when they conquered the land from the Romans? Please explain to me the moral difference between conquest in 627 and conquest in 1967.

[@MitchellRMiller-lt1xi]

Sorry, typo, 638.

[@Irishesbox11]

That didn't happen though, that land was Christian land before a Muslim ever touched it.

[@HendrixTaylor24]

Brandon absolutely nailed it. Thank you for having him on.

[@TB-qf4zd]

He lost me when he tried to convince me that this generation has not been at War for the entirety of our lives. He says we don't know what it's like to fight a war but has he forgotten about the last 30 years? Oh plus before I was born we were also constantly entangled in foreign wars. I'm not sure what this guy is talking about

[@mohamedalahmadani5174]

The fact that Bassem Yousef hasn’t come on the show yet is bizzare

[@beetalius]

maybe because he's a disingenous propagandist/charlatain who traffics in lies?

[@greaterthanharrowk1679]

Joe "I'll have anyone unless their views aren't right-adjacent" Rogan

[@micha3L6969]

I disagree, I think it’s pretty understandable considering how many smart political commentators there are in media, most with diverse opinions on this debate & many other political debates, and Joe is only 1 guy with 2 other careers, with tons of hobbies and he interviews people only he personally finds interesting from ALL walks of life…ironically at the beginning of this episode, Joe actually jokes about the frustration of there being so many interesting people he wants to talk to, yet only so much time & availability. I am sure he will have him on someday

[@OrangeJuicePapi]

I think he was in tour. I bet he comes on soon.

[@marcksoriano1678]

100% agree. the fact that he's also a comedian and he's talking about something very important right now.

[@abdullahjaafar5031]

This clip should be on the Olympic channel So many mental gymnastics

[@terrymcfadden954]

Netanyahu was one of the first to congratulate Biden. Before ballots were even counted. Listen to him talk in his native language. It’s something else.

[@Usagi-Rabbit]

The guest’s last statement, that returning the hostages would end hostilities is entirely false. Netanyahu stated very clearly that he would consider a cease-fire for hostage and prisoner exchanges. But that would not end the hostilities. They would resume until the Israeli army achieved its stated goal of the “complete destruction of Hamas.

[@zeinaeljorr4054]

Well give them YOUR country if you did this to them, not someone else's!!!

[@information_handle]

What country was there before the current one?

[@hexlemorte5201]

@@information_handlelook at a map before Israel it still says Palestine

[@ElishaZakai]

The West Bank is literally called Judah and Samaria for 3000 years, and all of the historic names of the ancient cities are in Hebrew. I think there might be a reason that’s the land they ended in…

[@roberthoddinott9160]

​@@ElishaZakaiwhat other people's would you find acceptable to uproot the current people and import people who lived there in antiquity? That's a genuine question.

[@patriklundvall3296]

you make it sound like "palestine" existed as a country, before 69 :D before westbank, it was Jordan, before Jordan it was the british, Before british it was egypt. Before egypt it was ottomans, before ottomans it was mamluks before mamluks it was Annubids, before annubids it was kingdom jerusalem, So what "before" are you talking about?

[@scala1366]

All the Zonists really trying hard to get on the Rogan podcast on the daily.

[@sami7ny]

Ain’t they tho

[@joehutchinson24]

And that is a very good thing. Zionism is without a doubt the most moral reason for a country to be created. Zionism is a good thing. The whole notion that Jewish Nationalism should be assumed to somehow be worse than other nationalisms is such obvious racism, no matter how popular that racism is. Antisemitism has always been one of the most popular racisms, but anyone who thinks that somehow legitimizes a genocidal racism that has exterminated the majority of Europe's Jews last century is the ugliest racist that exists.

[@adirsab]

Anyone who disagrees with you is a Zionist? What are you 3 year old?

[@TheSarinaide]

We live in strange times when the term Zionist is weaponized as a normalized anti semitic slur. As if a return to what the UN has agreed is indigenous lands is supposedly bad. People like you should rather front with what you really want to say, you want Jews killed, israel destroyed, you are welcome.

[@hassanattar9697]

Joe really surprised me with his logical and nuanced perspectove on this. Ive seen he had a lot of pro isreal guests on recently and figured he might be insensitive to the palestinian struggle. He understands that tragedy does not justify more tragedy.

[@rechkuot6718]

These people will never understand the Palestinians' suffering. How could we expect them to understand?

[@ar2042]

I question whether "The lobby" is sending people to JRE now, I've never even seen this guy before

[@findhos]

This is my first time seeing hearing him ever too

[@mazharul]

💯

[@Overlydripped]

Definitely is watch the Coleman Hughes interview the guy was obviously a paid propagandist surprised no one else noticed

[@julovemoney]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[@JM-re1zn]

Dude says fighting colonialism is just and then condemns hamas for fighting colonialism.

[@abdihoussein5245]

What a guy huh ? 😂😂😂

[@delaseoul87]

The British Mandate was colonialism. Israel is not colonialist.

[@fucanaoasis2000]

Which country is Israel a colony of ?

[@periechontology]

He's condemning Hamas for intentionally killing babies

[@wicksavage3459]

@@fucanaoasis2000 You have never heard of settler colonialism have you