Telling Joe Rogan The Truth About Gun Deaths In America

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Joe Rogan invited me back on his podcast to have a long-form conversation about guns in America in 2022. In this segment, we talk about how thin the line can be with legal self-defense while also breaking down gun laws & gun crime statistics.
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[@lrodriguez6691]

As an American who came from Cuba and endured communism for over 25 years, I tell you we must defend the First and the Second Ammendment even if it cost our lives because living as a sheep, a slave of communism is worse than death.

[@Manco65]

I agree with that. My father's side of the family is Polish and had to endure two invasions and the post WW2 occupation and persecution by the Soviets.

[@terrythomas7439]

Amen 👍

[@bombardierparts]

U should be heard!

[@NPC13377]

My great grandfather fled south of Kiev to America before the bolshevik revolution to avoid communism. We can't let it grow here.

[@smokingcrab2290]

So glad you're with us to help us fight for the freedoms we all enjoy. I'd like to hear more about your experiences living under communism.

[@philipcherry025]

The shooting Colion was referring to was on one of our "tourist" areas. I'm from Philadelphia, and I am a Police Sergeant there , in one of the most dangerous Districts (precincts) in the city. And, he is absolutely correct in his assessment. It is kids shooting each other and its over NOTHING!!! Arguments it's over arguments stemming from Instagram and other social media platforms. And the District Attorney is doing nothing about it. It's disgusting now.

[@maketheconstitutiongreatag5038]

Quit your job and let the city decay. They don't deserve you

[@rickymcmahon8189]

Arguments over Instagram & Social media? Really? That just sums up our entire society ATM, we're soft as shit. Forget toxic masculinity, we need more masculinity period.

[@daviddelahoya151]

Sadly it’s the same out here in Memphis…

[@yankeesuperstar]

Chicago is the same way

[@hectormartinez9657]

L.A checking in! Recall D.A George Gascon!

[@Miked1332]

Colion Noir is the one person anyone and everyone should listen to when it comes to guns. He's a lawyer, and he searches and looks for the absolute truth. He's centered, rational and is open to the opposing side so long as the opposing argument has merit.

[@feegureeetout]

I grew up with no father and i exhausted my grade school library's books on shooting, hunting, and gun safety. Never find those books today. Hunting and shooting gave me a sense of responsibility. And without a father those few books helped me immensely to understand the huge responsibility one has when they possess a firearm.

[@cashmore8476]

I'll keep a look out for your name when the UK news reports the next mass shooting in America 😂🤦‍♂️😂

[@feegureeetout]

If i didn't have books and my literacy in my life things would have been even tougher. And when cancer takes dad at 35, and yer four it ain't always easy. There are some assholes with guns out there, make no mistake about that.

[@jd-zu5ok]

Guess what kids would use them for today lol

[@christiankeim]

Killing things gave you responsibility? What? 😂

[@nccnc2012]

This comment went over a lot of peoples heads 🙏🙏🙏🙏 proud of you💯💯💯

[@v2294]

OMG, two adults discussing guns and killing, in a rational and thoughtful way. This is almost unheard of in media!

[@williammacomb5691]

Society has been moved to the internet and high jacked by media. Whoever controls media controls society. We have a serious fight on the horizon. A fight we are loosing right now.

[@juliandelreal38]

Welcome. Thats how REAL adults talk......

[@juliandelreal38]

Fuck media..........

[@audioauracle-dsyswpwanl-]

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[@mikec1254]

Joe and Colion are on the opposite sides of the aslie

[@grogdizzy5814]

Firearm safety and history used to be taught in public schools. There used to be rifle marksmanship sporting teams in our schools. KIDS used to train WITH RIFLES IN OUR SCHOOLS. Our citizenry is woefully ignorant to our history and constitution. Our citizenry is woefully lacking the morals that we used to have.

[@thaknobodi]

Yep. My parents had a 22 marksman club in highschool in the 70s

[@billyingram3492]

Yes, had it in 5th and 7th grade. Had to pass a test at the end of our 7th grade class in order to be eligible to buy a hunting license.

[@YouWillBeHappyOrElse]

They said, "This will only normalize gun violence! We must keep those scary guns out of the hands of the children, lest they grow up to become serial killers!" And then, not a moment later, they started saying, "We must teach children about all sorts of (ahem) adult-adjacent practices and identities, and encourage them to try it, because if we don't, they might hurt themselves or others!" Sometimes, just every so often, I wonder if they don't believe a word coming out of their mouths, but hope we will. Y'know, just occasionally thinking they miiiiiight be arguing in bad faith.

[@philshock3805]

Very first gun I shot was a .22 rifle for my cadets class ... in Jr High! (mid 60s) Our "range" was the gymnasium and we trained weekly. All of your other points are spot on as well.

[@Doxymeister]

@@billyingram3492 I used to proctor at hunter's education classes here in our area. We had even younger people in some of our classes, even though they are too young to be required to have a license back then (not sure about currently, this was back when my boys were young) simply because they wanted the training. Even the younger people did very well in these classes.

[@paulyboy1951]

I am 71, and we had BB guns as kids. On the day I was old enough to hunt, my father took me to the hardware store on the square of Neosho Missouri and bought me my first shotgun. I was so proud, walking down the street with my shotgun. All the people smiled. I now live in Oklahoma, a Constitutional carry state. It is easy to buy a gun, just a background check. When you grow up with guns, you know how to shoot.

[@NotMyName78]

Pulling a trigger is the easiest thing to do in the world. Talking like you have some learned skill is pathetic

[@timleirs4189]

Plenty of those on the graveyard.

[@marsonofjo344]

Only ignorant people don't get that truth. I also grew up handling guns. Later in life, I found out police had their eye on us when I was young and was talking about all possible criminal activities we could be doing. It is just perception. Ignorant people have dangerous perceptions. People should educate themselves.

[@maaddman2444]

@@marsonofjo344 very well said. God bless

[@Durzo1259]

When I was in 8th grade, I was talking with a teacher's assistant who was helping me with my math homework. She asked what I got for my birthday and I said "my dad got me a pellet gun." Her response was, "...and I take it you said, 'thanks dad, but no thanks. I don't want something terrible like that,' right?" When I said, "no, I was happy to get it," she asked me why I would want to shoot innocent squirrels and birds. To her it was a natural, logical assumption that the only reason you would want a gun is to kill innocent beings. It didn't even cross her mind that I just enjoyed target shooting. These anti-gun people think the one and only reason any of us have guns is because we take pleasure in death and destruction. And yet, if I had said I was into archery, she wouldn't have automatically assumed that I do it because I love killing.

[@numbr17]

Colion did an AWESOME job talking about this topic in this arena, with one of the biggest names in Social Media. Colion Noir knocks this out of the park here.

[@jesseduque1213]

Colion is one of the greatest spokesmen on the 2A and gun issues, glad to see more of this content !

[@x3dominator28]

Yes, it’s a damn shame he’s still supporting the NRA and not a real second amendment organization like Gun Owners of America. The NRA is hot garbage

[@HRH.SinclairDeVer]

I just wish I could see his name on the presidential ballet

[@billybee3423]

You are correct, but sadly Joes audience is pretty much pro 2A so this is just preaching to the choir.

[@Mojo32]

Dana Loesch was and is much better. This guy is just cocky all of the time, not down to earth in the least bit, turns a lot of people off unfortunately.

[@Nobody-11B]

@@Mojo32 rich bro vibe. Kinda annoying at times.

[@mrenfilade7178]

I'll say it again and again -- Colion is THE most important 2A activist/advocate out there right now. Godspeed and thank you! +1 Like

[@stevensmith4706]

Wish we could kick that fool la pierre out of the NRA and put colion in his place.

[@jblb42]

He used to be, until the NRA bought him, and now the bulk of what he does in gun reviews.

[@batdad187]

Brandon herrera is winning that one

[@HeathOakrayzy]

Colion you are one of the best ambassadors for our 2A rights in existence!👍💪🇺🇸

[@Sambeauxmann]

Joe, you are solid. Your openness, acceptance, and downright, maybe unbeknownst to you interviewing skills, bring us the most valuable content in this realm

[@Jdawk.]

The shooting in Philly was on south street. A very busy area and often times touristy part of philly. You’re correct Colion, it wasn’t a mass shooting, it was beef between two people that saw each other and decided to start shooting. 13 people were injured not shot

[@adamcuneo7189]

I also think those 13 injured, included someone being ran over with a van or something like that from what I heard.

[@Jdawk.]

@@adamcuneo7189 yup you’re right

[@vexrich]

I never heard the 13 weren't shot, but the news certainly implied it...

[@AdamF89]

I went to Temple University in Philly. Go a couple blocks off campus and you’re in no man’s land. I still get Temple Police text messages about shootings. A couple per week, every week, like clockwork, it’s crazy

[@rossboyd2272]

But when you pull a gun and pull that trigger your responsible for each shot . So you had better be aware of the consequences of your actions.

[@JustAName-it5qp]

Colion, I appreciate your work, you've led me to appreciate the NRA. I'm from Samoa where guns are only for police and criminals. I moved to USA, got naturalized and am a proud owner of a number of guns that are sadly lost in a boating accident.

[@conz3155]

I lost mine, too! It was a sad, sad day! Made me cry, too...✌

[@bipn_406]

That's cool.

[@TheCommissarIsDead]

Damn I’m sorry,it’s like loosing a finger 🤧🫡

[@MikeOxhard69420]

NRA is horrible, if u truly wanna support the second amendment support GOA

[@drowssapma]

@@chobiden7770 I used Flex Tape on my boat, and all my guns are at the bottom of some river...I don't remember which.

[@yankee5051]

Thank you Colin for explaining the difference between a constitutional right and a privilege. I have never heard it illustrated more eloquently than that. You are a true patriot.

[@Lex-Rex]

The right to travel is as natural as self defense. It is our NATURAL right to self defense and travel. You like so many others out there are indoctrinated to the state and muh positive law. A drivers license DOES not make you a better driver nor does a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

[@kenji214245]

Driving is not a privilege in these times though. For Americans it is a necessity to be able to work and have a life. Only in the really big cities if you can afford to live in Central does it become more of a privilege...or a curse with their traffic.

[@dieselrecords]

@@Lex-Rex Right to travel... Just making things up now. Your rights are basically things some group or entity has said you have permission to do. No such thing as natural rights. If you "travel" through someone's backyard without permission or the right it may not end well.

[@Lex-Rex]

@@dieselrecords The founding of this country is based on natural rights you dolt. Natural Law is the only true path to freedom.

[@raspberry86853]

@@kenji214245 where exactly is driving listed as a fundamental right?

[@srsh12345]

Deep stuff in that discussion. Love your Joe Rogan appearance. I learned a lot.

[@CaseyBurnsInvesting]

Love to see Colion spitting facts on a huge stage like JRE.

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

absolutely

[@Lurch685]

He’s been on a couple of times. Great every time

[@multimeter2859]

Taking a break from spamming financial channels to spam here? Nice one Casey.

[@riverside321]

And Rogan acting the fool, unintentionally

[@TheReapersSon]

@@riverside321 Rogan asks good "devil's advocate" questions for the sake of objective discussion. Sometimes those questions are stupid or irritating, but they're important because Joe is the closest thing to a "normie" brain who is honestly curious.

[@gmajor1273]

When it comes to telling people the truth about guns in America, Colion Noir is the master.

[@replynotificationsdisabled]

Ahh

[@bucket0rocks]

I would argue that he is the best possible voice to represent our 2nd amendment rights.

[@ghettochicken8420]

@@bucket0rocks ever watched guns and gadgets

[@thomasdemoss7806]

Bad ass men!

[@broitssnow]

@@ghettochicken8420 he’s great too and so are Langley Outdoors Academy and Armed Scholar

[@John.117]

So refreshing to see someone speak intelligently about the subject. Thank you for sharing… Best to you and yours.

[@georgemorris2563]

I grew up in Montana and remember we had gun racks with rifles, at school no school shootings ever.

[@DuhYaThink]

Post 2001 has had MANY psychological operations. Or “active shooter events” passed off as real. It’s sickening 🤮

[@bgee2187]

Same with me growing up in Texas. They were guns in rifle racks of 2/3rds of the trucks there. You could have a knockdown fight, and Noone went and got a gun. Hell, most of the time, you ended up as friends afterward.

[@StreetcarHammock]

Montana has the 7th highest gun violence rate in the US. Just because there weren’t school shootings doesn’t mean people weren’t and aren’t dying from guns.

[@DuhYaThink]

@@StreetcarHammock Well,dying from people using guns.

[@scmb921]

Ya we had those in California too. Used to have the rack up and nobody would cut us off back then 😂

[@pauljames9596]

My fellow American Colion, you sir are a true patriot that defends the rights of the Constitution for all citizens. I can not thank you enough for your knowledge and explaining it in a way that's easily that most of us do not.

[@tylerharris4392]

I didn’t know the constitution was just the second amendment

[@hellrazor675]

@@tylerharris4392 The 2nd amendment is arguably the most important not saying it is but it is definitely up for debate

[@tylerharris4392]

@@hellrazor675 The most important, lol, Yeah that’s bullshit,

[@hellrazor675]

@@tylerharris4392 Well without the 2nd amendment America wouldn't be America as we know it

[@tylerharris4392]

@@hellrazor675 uhh, ok, but let me tell you, america will perish regardless if the 2nd amendment isn’t changed

[@Gutsy77]

Great interview.. I dont like the term “gun violence.” We dont call it vehicle violence when someone uses a car to kill. Or a knife, or a hammer etc.. just an observation🇺🇸

[@no-sway3709]

Yep. It's a dead giveaway that they care less about violence and more about gun control.

[@redneckninja2539]

Isn't any violence applied to another person that is not self defense a bad thing, illegal and immoral? I'm with you

[@360lootgoon3]

Exactly. Violence is violence, regardless of the tool used to commit it.

[@bwofficial1776]

I feel the same way. I call it criminals doing criminal acts.

[@jingle8963]

I'd have reason to believe most Americans are basic now after reading so many uninformed responses

[@swingnamiss5490]

I remember being taught, in the military: Opportunity, Capability & Intent. And all 3 had to be met before engaging a target.

[@yurmom131]

With that statement how is a man who had a gun pointed in his face being put in jail.

[@slappy0079]

Thanks to Joe for allowing truth on his podcast.

[@lexgalexy8627]

0p

[@Inspired2Teach]

Wow!! Two guys having a polite and informative conversation: each willing to listen to and learn from the other. What a concept!!

[@terintiaflavius3349]

This. To take someone's rights away there has to be a heavy burden of proof

[@KWillo]

They're both smart guys with well-known brands.

[@YouWillBeHappyOrElse]

Two non-woke gun-owning guys with different ancestries, no less. To hear the gun-grabbers and division shills talk, the program should have ended in tragedy. And yet here we are. Maybe we DO all just want to live in peace, and the only ones who want chaos are the elitists, who always seem to profit from it...

[@semiauto3148]

Well, even though Joe isn’t a straight up libtard,,, I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him. He’s got liberalism in his veins…and if there would have been a libtard there chatting with them, you can bet it wouldn’t have been this smooth.

[@muddyguns]

This comment is old af dude. Stop regurgitating

[@brkbtjunkie]

No Joe, 2A advocates are not ok with the “current setup”. Most of us think the NFA and ATF should be abolished. “Shall not be infringed”.

[@jodemit655]

The ATF has been weaponized against legal ownership rather than concentrating its efforts and resources on the illegal criminal activity!

[@mrs.vasquezz]

1ooo%

[@thrithgolden2748]

I fully agree!

[@Joe-oi6eh]

They don't understand infringed.. crooked vultures

[@r.d.9399]

The ATF definitely needs to be abolished.

[@Bobcat9]

You're absolutely right. Keep up the good work and spread your message far and wide. Thank you.

[@malakith5176]

This dude is clearly stupid i can understand how this pro gun propaganda is still working in usa

[@pmchamlee]

As a 78 yr old Vietnam vet and a responsible, self sufficient citizen [and life-long sportsman,] you seem to have "arrived [through your own effort] to understand the sanity under which I was raised" Thank you for your efforts and I applaud your sharing your good sense with our fellow countrymen! Well done, My Brother!

[@FIREBRAND38]

Impressive. An actual discussion that doesn't consist of 15 second sound bites.

[@thedancingveganatheist6310]

He's an actual lawyer and a gun expert, so people need to listen to his perspective, even if they might disagree with him.

[@raviolijesus6181]

It’s hard to simply “disagree” with a man who has the knowledge, background and experience to back up everything he says whereas most if not all arguments in favor of gun laws are coming from hyperbolic places of high emotion and not facts.

[@rudiratte1]

The claim that most gun homicides are from gang related shootings is flatout wrong. They account for 13% of all gun homicides according to the National gang center.

[@Paulsmithlvn]

The issue is because he’s an attorney, a gun owner, pro 2A, and African American he is considered a very dangerous man not because he’s violent but because of what he represents!!

[@thedancingveganatheist6310]

@@raviolijesus6181 But that's the thing -- many people out there suffer from extreme emotions and lack of understanding, so I'm saying, for those people, the LEAST they can do is listen to the lawyer and gun expert.

[@jackryan4313]

He's a lawyer too? Oh shit, this dude just got cooler That explains his arsenal....

[@stuartpearce2997]

Colion knows what he is talking about. Respect him and subscribed to his channel. His gun knowledge is very valuable.

[@Blackpearl-go7yq]

Doughnut operator would've been perfect in the first part with the taser knowledge 😂

[@SpaceMissile]

has he ever been on the podcast? that seems like it would be a good one.

[@CouldbeUrDad]

Get him on the show

[@michaelschmidtman4298]

Colion knows his stuff. He cuts through the enormous pile of crap that obscures the real issue. God Bless him!

[@PeopleHealthTru]

7:41 . The explanation starts here

[@PeopleHealthTru]

11:47 homicides and gang related disputes vs mass shooting.

[@PeopleHealthTru]

..14:05 . He says poverty. But the real issue is ForgottenFatherless. Kids need EqualSharedParenting

[@MrStaano]

In Europe people dont have guns. Crime and violence is way lower. America made a big mistake from the getgo letting everybody have guns.

[@MrStaano]

​@2dclxvi The numbers are so small for Europe in general. In Holland and many other countries pretty much nobody has a gun. Some countries differ. My point is citizens having guns is stupid. America made a big mistake cultivating this gun culture. Looks like america is full of fear....

[@garyjohns459]

A point that is missed here is that when you speak about soc-economic issues with gun violence, you have to talk about fatherless boys. It is the main reason for the shootings in the city. The boys join gangs and the gangs become their surrogate fathers. Almost 90 per cent of men in prison were fatherless. Almost all of the mass shootings are done by fatherless boys. 75% of all black births are without a father in the home. 33% of white births are without a father in the home. Add to that divorces where the father does not want to be, or is not allowed to be present for the son and we end up with over 50% of all boys are growing up without a father present in the home. The government and the welfare system has created this problem. Solve that problem and you solve the incredible numbers of murders in our inner cities. If you remove the murders in just five of our biggest cities, the US becomes almost last in number of murders per capita. This issue should be at the forefront of every conversation about crime, period.

[@RezaQin]

Yup. The lack of black fathers in black homes is why there are so many black deaths from gang violence.

[@marccrotty8447]

Gary Johns. Well stated summary. I know from raising my own three sons that they looked to me for a role model (the girls focused on Mom). I took them shooting as well. Now all responsible adults.

[@briancrawford69]

Thank democrats for incentivising women to have tons of kids and not keep the father around

[@juliandelreal38]

@@briancrawford69 not just democrats. The WHOLE system is broken. Both parties need to leave. PERIOD. Need to start fresh again.

[@jingle8963]

THANK YOU for bringing up socio-economic issues! Most people don't bring this topic up in debates and certainly the Republican side has never offered any of its inclusion in supporting so called "gun rights."

[@NinjqDogz1]

This is such a great video! Really pulls a lot of insight into all of these stats, and why things are the way they are. Thanks a lot!

[@royriley6282]

Always impressed by Colin's legal reasoning.

[@fredziffel3443]

The scariest part of being involved in a shooting isn't the gun battle, the fact that this person intended to kill you, or the fact that you had to choose to use your weapon in self-defense. It isn't even the fact that you just shot or even killed a human being. The scary part is having your weapons seized, being investigated and possibly charged/imprisoned for crimes, knowing your only choice was shoot or die.

[@bigtrav2395]

Pro tip form my local gun shop. make It a point to own multiple guns if possible. in the event you have to use your firearm for self defense.so You won't be Completely defenseless during the investigation.

[@mikecain1000]

Fred. You are absolutely correct. I just took a cpl class in my state, it got to a point that in my mind I was questioning the purpose of paying for a class that was telling me that if I feel a need for self defense I will now be judged and may go to prison. I will now be a felon and lose my rights to own something to defend myself or my family or you and your family. and than I had to realize that my morals outweighed that fear.

[@fredziffel3443]

@@bigtrav2395 i took that into consideration. Still, they confiscated my 40 cal, my 45 and my 380 handguns. The only one used was the 40. They kept asking if I owned more firearms, I kept charging the subject. 😅🤣 There were some MUCH more appropriate "firearms", but I knew if I told them they would take those too. (Serial number trace and ballistics test.) Automatically, everything is on a registry. All is well, they were returned after 4 months. As to the rest, they are still unaware. 😁👍

[@AerobaticsPilot]

@@fredziffel3443 first OFF neber ever talk to police tell them i need a lawyer even for this your crazy to talk alone any word will be used against you NEVER EVER talk say i was in fear of my life and my family i know to many people who said something and it got all crazy

[@thunderlifestudios]

​@@fredziffel3443 buy something directly from a civilian and it won't be auto registered unless the person whom you brought it from calls it in under your name.

[@jaker259]

It's WAY too easy to get a drivers license in America, most American drivers (I am one) are objectively trash, no discipline with distractions and a strenuous understanding of actual traffic laws at best. Difference is people have a constitutional right to use a gun, so learning to become proficient and safe is the owners prerogative. Drivers however interact with a vehicle WAY more than anyone interacts with a gun. I'm entirely confident in my driving ability, other people make me nervous, just like a shooting range full of people you don't know may make you nervous. Don't be the problem, be safe.

[@TheHanshotfirst]

There's literally 100 million more guns in America than cars, yet more deaths every year are attributed to traffic fatalities than gun homicides.

[@anon_y_mousse]

I'm not entirely sure I agree, as you do have a right to movement and the method should not be restricted, but at the same time, you're absolutely right that you interact with a car far more than you do with a gun, even if you're a regular gun user. And as we have seen, a car can be even deadlier than a gun in the wrong hands. 86 people dead and 434 injured in Nice just 6 years ago.

[@RealMTBAddict]

@@anon_y_mousse Right to travel, not a right to drive a vehicle. There's a huge difference. Having a driver's license is not a right, but traveling is. The method absolutely matters.

[@jaker259]

@@TheHanshotfirst Am I right, and driving isn’t even a right, we’ve just sown it so heavily into the culture it can’t be removed. It’s honestly disturbing how poor we are as a country at driving. Just a few mandatory hours of legitimate training and scenario teaching could stop half of our road accidents. Don’t attack my rights if you can’t even manage your privileges.

[@anon_y_mousse]

@@RealMTBAddict You have a right to buy whatever you want, you have a right of movement, ergo a right to travel in a car if you so choose. The method matters no more than the type of gun you defend yourself with.

[@EJ.Quarry.Dweller]

Colion is so rational his aim towards clarity and understanding are awesome. Even his checks and balances he explains with foresight one way the issue may be helped and the consequences to the choice he is brilliant.

[@Sicasevilis]

You have taught me a lot, my friend! thank you so much for everything you do. All the work you're doing is so appreciated and necessary more than necessary God bless you

[@batmanforpresident9655]

Can ANYONE here please explain to me how ANY gun control laws or regulations prevent ANY form of gun violence? I'll wait.

[@Holycheepchit]

That's the same thing I've be screaming

[@mikeoneil5770]

Chicago has complete and total gun control, that’s why there hasn’t been a shooting in Chicago since Al Capone went to jail.

[@davidcoronado3490]

@BATMAN for President 4 PRIMARY RULES OF FIREARM SAFETY 1 Always Keep Firearm Pointed in a Safe direction 2 Treat All Guns as Though They are Loaded 3 Keep Your Finger Off the Trigger until You are Ready to Shoot 4 Always Be Sure of Your Target and What’s Beyond It

[@dillonwhall2986]

@@davidcoronado3490 the fact that you starting off a serious sentence with batman for president is endlessly funny to me

[@redblankie1219]

Background checks prevent just ANYBODY from buying firearms

[@StangLX351]

Coloin is one of the greatest advocates for 2A rights we could ever have. I have watched him since he started out.

[@spaghettipizza47]

What he said about prolonged poverty at the end was was a really good point nobody wants to talk about that

[@chusamusic1409]

💯 on the prolonged exposure to poverty mention!!!

[@kellyinfanger9192]

It is a prolonged exposure to a criminal environment. Poverty is one of the outcroppings of that criminal environment. Accurate understanding of the cause and effect is important.

[@Sammitche]

​well said @@kellyinfanger9192

[@fred_fred_fred]

​@@kellyinfanger9192poverty and crime feed one another.

[@kellyinfanger9192]

@fred_fred_fred Sure, there is a feedback loop, but poverty doesn't always result in crime. History has plenty of examples. Crime always results in lowered prosperity - if not an outright impoverished state. Even fighting crime is a drain on prosperity. Imagine if 99% of cops and 90% of the judges and lawyers were engaged in producing wealth creating goods and services. Don't forget, if they are producing certain products, there is a thing called the multiplier effect.

[@whiskeyactual.]

So glad you were able to get on Rogan's platform and speak to his audience Colion. This was a win for the 2A community.

[@ddha0000]

'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'.......key word..........REGULATED!!!!

[@ihkeseteeietos5722]

C... community??

[@TheQuilava96]

@@ddha0000 what are you talking about? Lol

[@jw6982]

@@ddha0000 Wrong, the keyword is people.

[@randman21]

@@jw6982 during a time when a great number of people in this country weren't considered people.

[@damiancarroll9618]

Colion absolutely nailed it with the inner city violence dependant politicians I was just explaining this to my wife about Lauri Lightfoot in Chicago

[@bodej63]

Read; Black No More to support this theory. Written during Harlem Renaissance

[@ryancummings5295]

Colion greatest strength is the ability to cut to the bottom line of an argument and deliver his perspective simply and with tons of weight.

[@jopstride8977]

Really good lesson on how he broke it down. Great job.

[@alphakennyone3173]

In Vermont we’ve always been able to conceal carry with no license and we have almost no shootings. But we do have a ton of car crashes and one is a right and the other is a privilege. I love this conversation, this is how it should go!

[@ChipmunkRapidsMadMan1869]

The car crashes are from the hippies moving in from NYC

[@jasonhoppe781]

Lol I think that’s just New York drivers. Hippies drive slow they don’t hit shit but curbs

[@RLee-we1fc]

I know what you're saying, but I don't consider traveling across the Earth a privilege. It's my God given right. And just like it's my God given right to own the best means to defend my family, a rifle. its also my God given right to use the best thing to travel, a car.

[@ddha0000]

@@RLee-we1fc it does say anything in the Bible about your right to own a gun or a car............in fact the Bible actively is against all forms of violence and revenge.

[@RLee-we1fc]

@@ddha0000 the Bible is against revenge correct. But it is absolutely 100% not against all forms of violence.

[@sttvoyager1727]

Keep Doing God’s Work Colion 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@darinwoody5542]

@@recitationtohear No not falling for it.

[@DudeMannn]

The military guy that shot the other guy pointing the gun at him should have had three cameras in his car. One facing the road, one facing himself on the driver's seat and a rear camera in case your are rear ended. That is how to truly cover yourself legally in all situations. I recommend everyone do the same. Have the three cameras live-streaming when you are in the car at all times even on idle and sending that stream to a cloud based recorder in case thieves get your car and take the cameras too.

[@macintoshimann9892]

Spot on. After a bad wreck caused by a police chase, 3 years of suffering, and 1 very fraudulent report written by the police... I now know we all need cameras on our vehicles.

[@DudeMannn]

@@macintoshimann9892 Oh man. Sorry to here that.

[@macintoshimann9892]

@@DudeMannn its all good it was a bad enough wreck to help me forget why I was so sad 🤔 😂 Definitely showed me its best to plan for the worst to happen. Dont expect people to do the right thing. And cameras are your best friend 👍

[@graygrantham7029]

Unfortunately for Daniel Perry his claim of self defense, while being at face value entirely legitimate was mitigated (in the eyes of the jury who convicted him) by a long history of social media posts in which he expressed very explicit racial hatred and desire to murder "black daddies". This did not eliminate his right to self defense but in the eyes of the jury it surely established a premeditation for murder. Governor Abbot at face value vowed to pardon this conviction based upon his initial briefing, but upon hearing all of the (social media) background facts deferred to the parole board, which apparently agrees with the conviction. So is this a 2A issue? maybe, maybe not, but if you want a solid footing for your future 2A defense, it might be in your best interest to stay off social media and not to tell the world who you intend to kill when you get the chance.

[@daniellekelley4816]

This show was very informative and important. Thanks.

[@ScottGrow117]

From the time I was old enough to hold a gun in my hands, I was taught to never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to destroy. And I was taught that they are weapons, not firearms. Symantecs, really, but to know the purpose of “weapons” is to kill and treat every firearm as a tool of death really makes you respect it more. As such, when some fucking clown blocking traffic levels a god damn AK at you, you remember that you don’t point weapons at anything you do not intend to destroy, and come to the conclusion that this guy probably intends to destroy you and you respond accordingly.

[@sethzimmerman6346]

Every normal joe agrees brother.

[@banmadabon]

Symantecs??? Bubba don't use big words...

[@tylermoseley935]

Garret Foster, the clown with the rifle, was an Air Force veteran. I honestly don't know how a veteran of any military branch could be so negligent with a gun.

[@ScottGrow117]

@@tylermoseley935 well, as a Marine, I can tell you that although the weapons safety and weapons handling training is extensive, very repetitive and incessant, there are still idiots who join. The cutoff IQ is 83. Lower than that and a person just can’t function well enough unsupervised at all times. And I tell you, there’s margin of error in those numbers. Some young service members need babysitting more than toddlers!

[@Mooseman327]

@@banmadabon And the word is "semantics."

[@iroc341]

Archie Bunker said it best. His daughter says, "daddy, did you know that a couple hundred people killed them selves with a gun last year " and Archie says, "would it make you feel better if they threw themselves out a window "

[@datman3416]

Good ole Archie… how bout when he randomly starts reciting god bless America to the meathead during an argument lol

[@gaguy1967]

Great episode

[@manfredieboyd2071]

Y’all would be into Archie

[@manfredieboyd2071]

@@datman3416 I don’t even get what your trying to convey buddy 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@gaguy1967]

@@manfredieboyd2071 love him

[@corryburton2660]

Colion is an AMERICAN PATRIOT!!! God Bless Colion and America!!!!

[@elijahrayburn329]

I love Colions theories and he very factual in everything he states!

[@31tmdavies]

Facts should be the only thing we care about

[@ericktothepoint408]

Colion is absolutely right about education. Excellent spokesperson.

[@tinman6514]

Firearm safety and proper operation of is even lacking with many people who’re not new to guns; go to any indoor range and observe - violations and deficiencies abound. I always ask for an end lane and I don’t leave my lane until I go home. I put my garbage in my range bag, walk straight to the door, and throw it away in the shop - that way, I’m not exposing myself to the half dozen or so shooters in the adjacent lanes. It’d be great if all first-time shooters spent an hour or so with a seasoned owner before they go out on their own. Unsafe practices and bad habits are learned and/or not corrected, becoming ingrained. And even worse, that person will probably teach the same poor practices to a new shooter at some point, perpetuating the cycle. Peace ~

[@ikeculbertson1259]

@@tinman6514 ☆☆☆•@@‐@@q

[@f.kieranfinney457]

When I lived in BC, gun buyers were required to pass a gun safety course. Hunters had to take an additional course to get a license. Different country and laws but it wasn’t harming gun ownership and the stats seem to show it works really well. Because of constitutional protection here, training isn’t a slippery slope like it could be elsewhere, that argument is a red herring. Ultimately, eliminating guns completely works best (Japan) but training can’t hurt.

[@wtfdtreats]

To the point he was making about gun education, the reason why is the same reason it's always been, _control_ . They use people's ignorance of history, laws and gun education, to control them through fear of the unknown. Like Vision from Avengers said about the stone: _"I wish to understand it. The more I do, the less it controls me."_ ; And the power hungry _can't_ have that happening.

[@FPSIreland2]

@@tinman6514 yes - but then taht would require some level of registration to prove each shooter has had such training. From what I’ve witnessed Americans would rather the killing continued.

[@JL-ic1pm]

Politicians don’t want most problems solved as society would no longer need them on a full time basis. Therefore they only care to just adjust problems not solve them. Kind of like a crooked mechanic breaks thing on your car to keep you coming back week after week.

[@adamplona9438]

I am loving these two together. EDUCATION!!!!! Awesome Sauce!!!

[@Waliocoolioflo]

Crazy part is there was just a mass shooting in Philly last week and this video from a year ago

[@ChinoXL91]

In case anyone is wondering: colion is an actual attorney and extremely knowledgeable when it comes 2A rights

[@vetzaaak]

And still he seemed to forgot to mension that none of the amendments are absolute. I.e., there's still laws to determine the conditions and legality.

[@RogueSoLMW]

@@vetzaaak the amendments ARE absolute, stop the commie talk 🇺🇲 especially the 2A "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

[@vetzaaak]

@@RogueSoLMW You're kinda slow aren't you? You're not aware there's federal laws as well as different state laws on gun ownership? You never noticed the consitution doesn't mention anything about concealed/open carry or ammo restrictions? You don't have the faintest idea what the constitution actually is, do you? 🤦‍♂😂

[@derekcurrie8377]

@@vetzaaak I believe it's spelled *mention, but I have no linguistic degree 🤐

[@vetzaaak]

@@derekcurrie8377So what degree do you have? I fixed the typo, I don't suppose you have anything to add to your "the constitution is absolute" comment?

[@TheBenghaziRabbit]

Colion you are one of the best spokesmen of 2A we have. We are the militia!

[@kgabonkosi3647]

Wow! Brilliant brilliant analysis and commentary. Learn quite a bit from this

[@corncob4627]

I remember seeing this guy's content back in 2013/2014. It's awesome how much his channel has grown!

[@theghostoferictheactor9808]

I think one of the most important things Colion talked about- something that is rarely discussed- is that these mass shootings go beyond mental health. In the pod he described it as clout, but Dr. Peterson said it best: that these shooters would rather die in infamy than continue living in anonymity. They want to be recognized so desperately that they are willing to commit evil, all in the name of infamy and recognition. I would almost guarantee that if nobody ever identified the shooter, than a lot of these mass shootings wouldn’t happen

[@1traphistory]

Yep, I was debating this point with my wife. My reasoning was that there has always been crazies and there has always been weapons, why all of a sudden there are these random public killings? What changed recently? My theory is the news coverage of it spreading so far and wide today. In a big world where they live feeling unnoticed and irrelevant they know this crazy behavior will be seen/heard of everywhere

[@dont.ripfuller6587]

Very good observation. Case in point, Name one of the victims at Columbine. I cant, without looking. We're not remembering who should be remembered. And its a critical mistake. Hand in hand Who around us in our lives have we not been listening to? And on the outer edge, but 100% just as viable is whatever the updated name of the MK Ultra program.

[@B.P._]

We don’t show people who streak sporting events. And yet we show evil people who shoot children. Something’s not right about that.

[@DxBlack]

"I would almost guarantee that if nobody ever identified the shooter, than a lot of these mass shootings wouldn’t happen" And when they don't.....they still happen. 😒 Their infamy isn't in their name being spoken, it's in the act...idiots think keeping hush on the name hurts them, but if people talk about what they did and why: they get everything they want.

[@DrHavok1]

that's why most of them put it out there at some point what they're about to do.. they tell other kids they're going to do it one day and log on to social media and talk about it they even go as far as going live when they do... most of them are ALL ABOUT THE ATTENTION.. all of it stems from our government hell bent on destroying the family as a unit... because it's profitable both monetarily and I'm terms of more power over the people

[@MightyRob1]

How dare you two have a rational, respectful conversation on this topic.

[@Jackjohnjay]

Few things as respectable and attractive as an intelligent, articulate man. I don’t know who this black man is but I really appreciate the attentive and careful quality of his thought. We need more of this in the media.

[@geneolivant5575]

Thank you Colion for all that you do for the gun community!!!!

[@fn45tacticalsuppressed11]

No, Joe Any robbery perpetrator holding a gun in close range of another person in the store is a dangerous threat to everyone in that store.

[@U1GoN2d1]

I think when he asks questions like that, it's more of him clarifying details for himself or his viewers.

[@missmarya747]

Clearly joe is stupid or uneducated or acting like a dummy all are very dangerous.

[@OfAngelsAndAnarchist]

If everyone starts shooting, you get what Americans call “collateral” The translation is: accidental murders

[@bigbobenerg6667]

he always plays devils advocate to people on his show when talking about things, to get more clarification or a better perspective.

[@rosstrodglen7148]

He's playing devil's advocate

[@dennisyoung6122]

With that veteran story if the gun was pointed at him first then it should be classified as self-defence. Pointing a firearm at someone is a death threat, nothing less.

[@porscheclub9672]

Brandishing a weapon is enough of a reason. With it being Texas I think he’ll walk.

[@davidburroughs2244]

Hope the facts come out and he does walk.

[@dunoa1141]

dude is so honest about the stats i swear to God... why is everyone else makes it so complicated

[@danielhogan4685]

CN is a national treasure …. We must protect him at all costs.

[@ben_wyatt]

Colion is perhaps the most important and intelligent 2A KZbinr/advocate we currently have. Keep doing the good work my friend!

[@jsmall10671]

That's not saying much.

[@mikealche3357]

he's an uncle tom exactly what you racists love to see from black people. Pawn for wypipo

[@warrenpuckett4203]

21,000 homicides and 26,000 suicides in 2021. 42,000 died in traffic deaths in 2021. The cars and trucks were registered. Guess need to ban those death dealers too.

[@scottbivins4758]

If you like gun content the watch Brandon Herrera and if you want donut operator he breaks down police shootings.

[@warrenpuckett4203]

Oh wait now the in thing is to make them electric so you cant hear them coming at you!

[@alexbrenneman6]

this was a great conversation

[@spydergs07]

I took the 5 second ride during our academy. It hurt a little during the 5 seconds, not horrible. The drive stun to the back of the leg hurt more than the 5 second ride. The next day your body feels like you did a full body workout because of the muscles tense up so much.

[@66azgordoc]

Love CN. So smart and logical in his arguments.

[@bambamnj]

I love listening to Colion, he is always right on point with his comments. OK, maybe him and I just see eye to eye on everything, which is why I enjoy listening to him and he knows a lot more of the facts than I do. People need to listen to him and learn about guns. Then maybe people won't fear guns so much.

[@Pablo9989-lj7pm]

Joe. I’m retired LEO. I HAVE been Tazed, and it was incredibly painful. It put me down, and I am no wimp. But, I have seen several people, men & women, who were able to power through it ( totally sober. ) I have also seen “Bad guys” and crazies, not affected at all. It is a great law enforcement tool, but not 100% effective. A great conversation with Colion. I subscribe to his channel too. I enjoy your honest conversations.

[@outdoormaniac9951]

Thank you, Colion. Keep up the good work!!!

[@rbstevns1534]

We need to start a GoFundMe for Mr. Perry the veteran who it was being charged with defending himself

[@macethorns1168]

Something besides GoFundMe. Fuck GoFundMe.

[@fredocuomo5386]

gofundme will just remove it..they are ran by leftists

[@oaug]

Yea send all the money to me I’ll make sure he gets it :)

[@Nate-bn5kk]

That's most likely why he got charged, he was underrepresented and underfunded. That's a violation of the constitution in itself. The right to a fair and speedy trial is no longer being respected.

[@youbetterwakeup2449]

@@macethorns1168 Seriously. How many times does GoFMe have to F someone out their money, before people wake up to the scam? It's about like people who keep sending money to the NRA or BLM.

[@Nocturnal2010]

"Prolonged exposure to poverty" damn bro I never heard it put that way and that's why started back n the day in the hood. I had to protect myself period. My first 1911 came off the street in the 90's. Dudes were gettin robbed and killed everyday and I didn't want to be one of them. Once I worked my way out the hood the threat level dropped to almost 0 👍🏾👍🏾 I gotta watch the entire show now

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

Thing is, even when they get OUT of poverty, they still return to it inevitably.

[@thrithgolden2748]

Me2 😊

[@thrithgolden2748]

@@stillcantbesilencedevennow Getting and maintaining support systems are difficult. It is kind of like physical therapy after an injury, it really is the most important part of a total recovery. ❤

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

@@thrithgolden2748 seems like maybe it's time to get a marketable skill then. Welding isn't hard to learn or do. Yet it's always in demand. Pays well too. But I guess some folks think they should be a fortune 500 CEO.

[@lmeekedl9729]

@@stillcantbesilencedevennow idk welding seems oversaturated, not making as much as they did 5 to 10 years ago from what I've seen, pipeline welding is what make the big bucks now a day. However, there is no excuse because there are a number of other jobs available. HVAC, plumber, refining, and warehouse jobs are all no experience needed and pay double the cost of working at McDonald's.

[@aprilfaul7650]

THIS GUY reminds me sooo much of my beloved teacher Billy Carson. In fact he is someone who Joe should really have on his show. It would be phenomenal

[@hb9149]

Colion's explanation of what is happening in the inner cities makes a lot of sense.

[@ahahaha5341]

"it's not a gun issue its a social economic issue" this guy is spot on!

[@dutchdna]

Really? Then why do other civilized countries with socio-economic issue not have a gun violence issue? It's a gun issue. It's an American gun culture issue.

[@Full_Otto_Bismarck]

@@dutchdna there are civilized countries with guns that don't have an issue with gun violence, the difference is the social and economic factors

[@dutchdna]

@@Full_Otto_Bismarck Because they also have VERY strict gun regulations. And don't have near the number of guns the USA has.

[@Full_Otto_Bismarck]

@@dutchdna If you can possess the gun in your home and have the ammunition with it, then literally nothing stops you from committing a mass shooting, the people in these other countries aren't doing that, and its because the society and culture is different.

[@dutchdna]

@@Full_Otto_Bismarck If you CAN'T possess a gun in your home because you are mentally ill, too young, or don't qualify otherwise, and you can't buy military style weapons, it will stop you from committing a mass shooting as is happening in the USA.

[@raspberry86853]

The 1st and 2nd amendment need to be defended. If we lose them it's all over.

[@RelaxAndSmokeMeth]

4th is long gone.

[@raspberry86853]

@@RelaxAndSmokeMeth 6th also. January 6 protestors in the DC gulag.

[@r.d.9399]

The country will break apart.

[@raspberry86853]

@@r.d.9399 maybe it's for the best

[@raspberry86853]

@@Joe-qv7tq militia refers to armed citizenry which assembles in times of crisis Well regulated means that there can lawfully be restrictions on access to firearms, like federal background checks which are a mandatory requirement across the country

[@O8080808O]

Also, the BIG story is the amount of crime stopped by good-guys-with-guns, that didn't have to shoot.

[@user-dz1us8vn2r]

A lot of crimes are commited In my neighbourhood..... Not one criminal carries a gun, equals, nobody getting shot. Australia, what a safe country.

[@frankvee]

More guns on the street DO NOT equate so safer streets. The data proves it.

[@GarciaVital]

Hahah Perry. I forgot about that. I breifly served with that dude in 2CR, never really talked to him but I remember seing him around. Small world

[@adrienwatson2179]

The most impressive aspect of this... How quickly this guy can answer and respond, he really has a tonne of knowledge and understands the intricacies of this discussion

[@tommys2979]

Mr.noir indeed knows his shit his channel is awesome

[@pjbmo5930]

Spell much? A ton maybe?

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@pjbmo5930 A ton and a tonne are different units of measurement Went to school much?

[@brandontscheschlog]

Who better to debate and explain firearm related deaths and the 2A than Colion? He's very intelligent and well spoken.

[@jorydunlap3335]

Education! Love the response

[@Dan-cw8rq]

Glad I found you!

[@EwokyBalboa]

Joe, the difference between a car license and carrying a weapon (besides colions point on one being a constitutionally recognized right): when you drive a vehicle on a public road, you are actively operating what is essentially heavy machinery in close proximity to potentially thousands of others doing the same. carrying a gun you are not actively using it 99.999% of the time unless you need to.

[@DocFixit32]

Very true! And to add to these differences: When operating said vehicle, your motive has nothing to do with the defense of your life. The motive here for a firearm is not for work, recreation, convenience, etc (like the use of a car). The use of a firearm is to, in the most effective way possible, effect the #1 primary dictum: Stay alive! The right to keep and bear arms is NOT about firearms, it is about this dictum, and includes any threat and the use of ANY armament to defend life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! At least that was the original intent.

[@umungus518]

Another difference, one is a god given inalienable right which cannot be infringed. The other is a privelege. They are not comparable.

[@EwokyBalboa]

@@umungus518 true, but that argument doesn't convince reasonable people in the middle who don't already believe the same thing

[@sonofamountie]

@@umungus518 It is not a god given right. It is a right given to Americans by men. The founding fathers wrote it into the constitution not god.

[@umungus518]

@@sonofamountie you don't know what the term God given means do you? Ill educate you. They are god given in the sense that every human being born is born with these rights. The founding fathers wrote it into the bill of rights so that government COULD NOT TAKE AWAY THESE RIGHT. They did not give them to you, you were born with them. They are inalienable rights, meaning they cannot be taken away only infringed upon. The founding fathers simply tried to prevent tyrannical governments from taking these God given, inalienable rights away from any human being. Your ignorance is astounding.

[@jacobwilliams5584]

I discovered you through Joe Rogan and I’m very glad I did. What you’re doing is critically important to the survival of the free American public. Hats off to you Mr. Noir💯🐐

[@livenight1733]

Colion Noir is a gem, you should have him on your show again.

[@brucebabin4137]

You have great reason and very intelligent on the topic of guns and different gun culture. Great to learn from you, thank you for the truth. 🙂

[@jimbo9305]

If I ever need someone to back me up in a debate about firearm ownership, it's got to be Mr. Noir.

[@stevenphotog4594]

Dude!! Didn't know you were an attorney. That explain a lot. I super appreciate your logical and knowledgeable ideas.

[@MCJustJ420]

12:12 lmao, thats a wild quote out of context

[@elementsofphysicalreality]

What a great conversation. Chat GPT won’t tell me the numbers about gun homicides. It won’t present the correlation between poverty and violence. It won’t differentiate between gang violence and public violence. We need these discussions. Of all gun homicides only 5% are done with a semi or fully automatic weapon.

[@anon_y_mousse]

It makes me sad when I hear about people committing suicide, but I feel like we should count those stats differently. I also kind of feel like it's the ultimate exercise in proving bodily autonomy, as they can choose when to die. Sort of like the exact opposite of a baby in the womb who has absolutely no bodily autonomy.

[@MatthewHop]

I’m also a huge supporter of parents storing guns responsibly to avoid those types of situations. When I have children I will never tell them how to access my guns without me. It wouldn’t prevent every or even most suicides but it would help prevent a lot.

[@Flor_de_Luna]

Exactly. I always wonder why the Democrats count that (and to be clear, I do NOT want suicides to happen) however, they advocate for assisted suicide. Isn’t a person handling it with a gun in line with choosing their own destiny? I believe everyone should have help to not choose suicide but this is different in my mind than being assaulted or murdered with a gun or any weapon.

[@wasidanatsali6374]

That is the gun grabber bait-and-switch of using "gun-related deaths" versus homicides. This argument uses “gun deaths” which, of course, includes accidents and suicides. Guns don’t make people kill themselves. Two thirds of “gun deaths” in the US are suicides. Yet the US has about the same suicide rate as other Western nations with strict gun control on top of having many more legally owned guns. Many people commit suicides with ropes and car exhaust but no one ever talks about banning ropes or car exhaust. Moreover, many people die from accidents involving power tools, ladders, and other items but we don’t talk about banning power tools, ladders, or other items.

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

If a dog suffers from an injury or illness they'll never recover from, we say it's humane to kill them. If a person suffers from an injury or illness they'll never recover from, we say it's inhumane to kill them. The dog doesn't even have the choice about whether it wants to do, the person does. Yet we insist on making the person suffer until they physically can't stay alive anymore. And yes, there's cases of taking people off life support. That's still not killing them, just letting their body finally do what it wants to do so it's not the same. It's a fine line between letting someone end their suffering and letting them throw their life away because things are difficult in that moment but the line is there.

[@jingle8963]

Antony Mousse, suicide stat involving gun use still counts toward the data. Very important sir