My Bike Fit is Slow… What Can I Do? | The NERO Show Ep. 95

[@thewattlife]

Blindsiding Chris with photos of him not looking aero is comedy gold

[@cbbssn512]

Re: Chris’ Aero position - the dude is over 40, get him a flatbar hybrid and call it day.

[@hhansen3551]

😀

[@irockuroll60]

Hell, give him an e bike

[@jayobannon5359]

@@irockuroll60Cervelo Rouvida

[@9psi]

Don’t forget the steerer extender

[@Jason-t7f1t]

If only Jessie saw me on my endurance bike

[@rodforney7184]

The mere mention of gravel sent Jesse into a seat shifting, sighing, do we have to talk about it... Yes I want the show to continue to dive in on gravel as Chris and many are doing both. Also laugh every time Jesse gets frustrated by it, so I enjoy that also.

[@MartinBrown-mb7pz]

Rome's analysis is massively deep and detailed.That's where he adds value. His job isn't just to give you his 'feels'. He's a tech expert.

[@2rismo]

This.

[@Sweetskis]

Another outstanding episode of THE Nero Show Podcast! THE only cycling podcast that prioritizes power OVER aero while also having the kind of aero you can SEE! The ONLY podcast to not lose a single WATT in the past 7 years! Cheers to THE show!

[@brianzimny]

With less and less races available, it's worthwhile bringing out your best equipment whenever possible including local club races or even group rides. Enjoy the fast expensive stuff that otherwise just collects dust.

[@8rk]

Life is too short to not ride the best stuff every ride IMO. Except it's rain / snow and you're literally throwing out money by ruining your gear ofcourse.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

So true, that is exactly right Brian.

[@stuartfrancis519]

The better the gear the less excuses you have but.

[@lunathedog3924]

Yes 100% guys 😊

[@leeparsons1994]

Jesse winning a crit and not running a camera is a sackable offence.

[@matkrek]

These blokes will never run out of new video ideas, well done

[@discbrakefan]

Never boring!

[@wenschobert]

loved the question about the team in the olympic road race… i reckon races would turn out quite differently if they‘d consider it a team sport and would call the whole country winner, who‘s rider went over the line first… but if they‘d do so (what i‘d actually like) they‘d make sure that every country has the right to send the same amount of riders, because a team of 4 can work differently than e team of two

[@robertchandler587]

I’m 177cm/5’10” with 82cm inseam and changed back from 165mm to 170mm cranks. Found 165 really good to be able to sit down in the drops longer and relieve hip impingement issues (long rides) but there’s a trade off in that you need to push harder or up your cadence to get the same power output. Also you have to adjust riding style and/or gearing to suit. You will also increase your drop to the handlebars going shorter as you have to raise your saddle by the amount you reduce your cranks to have the same saddle height. Fore/aft changes as well. It’s worth a try if you can afford it or get a cheaper crank or borrow one off a mate. A sign that you’ve gone too short is feeling like you’re falling onto the handlebars/front of the bike. It’s the same feeling if you’ve run up a staircase where the steps are really low and you end up tripping over yourself. If you know, you know. Have fun!

[@Onigure]

The first win of the China Bike! Here we go boiiiiis.

[@danielsymons2706]

I remember wearing a skinsuit at a Victoria Park (Adelaide) Tuesday night crit in 2013. I had some guys tell me that I was taking a club race too seriously, even though some of those guys were running full carbon tubs. From what I remember, I only wore a skinsuit, so I had a clean kit for training the next day. Now, most guys wear skinsuits for all races.

[@SandSanta]

The review discussion resonated with me as someone who builds a lot of bikes and relies on this sort of content to make purchasing decisions. The very annoying trend with review content is that I'd find the 'first look' or initial review content, and then no follow up - even years after a product launch. With the new SRAM Red group vs Dura-Ace, for instance, I can find tons of folks talking about how great the new SRAM Red is but nobody talking about how it feels after 1000km on the group or what their experience is with dropped chains (I've had 2 different new SRAM Red bikes drop chains on shifts from Big to Little ring vs 0 on shimano, for instance). Ultimately, that makes these types of reviews basically extensions of the company press release. While I'm using SRAM as an example here - all the bike industry are like this, and its hard to find real informative feedback on a product set thats becoming increasingly expensive every generation.

[@thenoclue90]

1:04:19 I think that Kristen Faulkner riding through the finish, no celebration just business as usual is waaay colder than Remco

[@colduncan1063]

Absolutely so. Didn't even waste time or energy looking back to see where the others were.

[@BreakawayB]

Both the men’s and women’s Olympic RR was incredible. *Especially* the women’s race. 🤩

[@10ktube]

I think overall, lower isn't always faster. Smaller is faster with body position. If you can stay up on the stack but it in turn lets you bring the shoulders in and crane the neck, because you can relax better, that is better than slamming the front down. If you're too low your body can't do it but it will find a way, and it's not ideal. Smaller, not lower. If you can do both awesome, but smaller matters.

[@Mykelridesbykes]

Well done gents. I don’t know ow why but I enjoy listening to your podcast over a lot of cycling podcast. I feel like between y’all, NC Cycling, and Vegan Adventures you guys are just such an easy listen. Keep it up guys and thanks!

[@tobycolin6271]

Just look at the helmets clothing and aero socks I would suggest the clothing made 60% to 80% of the speed increase. 2015 bibs, jersey and open vent helmets. The other thing is everyone is optimised so there are more people maintaining the speed, the chains are longer and no one is at a disadvantage due to kit.

[@BMD8]

was thinking the same. also, just like road cars, tryre tech is miles better nowdays, and wheels aero is better understood than ever

[@mat_from_ballarat]

Jesse's enthusiasm for the gravel groupset is hilarious - love it!

[@mihpop9733]

that cut at the end ?

[@JamesBoz]

Jesse stuttered PPPPERTH & was sent home immediately....

[@colduncan1063]

Brutal. Had to check if I'd accidentally fast forwarded the video.

[@natheirabu-dahab1446]

Am I tripping or did you guys switch places? Edit: I am tripping. You did not switch places

[@8rk]

They did a WHILE back. I started a movement to get them to switch back but it failed :.(

[@iancollins6104]

You were probably watching Cade Media....:-)

[@JFomo]

Maybe it's the thumbnail because Chris is always on the left.

[@xander7282]

Mandela effect?

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Depends what country you are watching us in, if you’re in the southern hemisphere I’m on the left, northern hemisphere … on the right 😊

[@87knightsfan]

This may have been, the best Nero show yet. Excellent podcast this week.

[@martinkroutil]

I have wider shoulders same as Chris and in my experience key to aero position is just to learn to "tuck" shoulders in and remind yourself that every second in a race. I was riding whole winter on turbo with mirror in front of me :) and learning that shoulder "tuck" and I think it help me a lot. Stack and reach are kind of non issue, just to remind yourself, forearm paralel, tuck shoulder and that is it :). Amazing podcast guy, as always.

[@lukewalker1051]

Lance Armstrong who was 5'9" and won 7 Tour de Frances on a Trek Madone 58cm with 130mm stem and a lot of spacers. He tested in a wind tunnel and with a power meter. More upright = more power. He could get his back flat 'when he wanted or needed to'. Body position matters way more than bike size and set up. Today's set ups are handlebars closer to tip of saddle however lower ergo smaller frame sizes and old school in the Lance/Eddy era was bars higher and farther away from the saddle aka larger frames resulting in more of a superman position on the bike which also suits me better for getting more power to the cranks. There is nothing wrong with Chris's set up. Best way to determine which is fastest is test both and compare. Lance tested fanatically. He was fastest on a 58cm race bike when most bikes shops and generic fitters who know less and never won a pro race would put him on a 54cm bike.

[@donbarnard82]

I don't see myself getting the new sram goupset for a couple of reasons, but I'm excited by the tech in the derailleur (udh, shadow, battery location) that improves on some weaknesses in other systems. I hope to see it on other future offerings.

[@rexringschott]

Good ep. fellas. Like the post-modern ending.

[@RestlessGambler14]

Yes! Another show from my favorite Aussies!

[@KaneFergusson]

Triathlon bike setup - you’re normally riding a tt bike for starters but modified rules see athletes on road bike Also not governed by uci so seat further forward - more work through glutes than quads to allow fresh legs for the run… and more but that’s the start of why the setup is different

[@DDai-qd8uk]

Loved the cliffhanger ending

[@BevandEdMusic]

Do their voices sound deeper or am I going mad? Sounds almost slowed down by like 2%

[@nestorsup09]

They do!

[@richardhagedorn7421]

It sounds like they’re competing whos voice is lower as the episode goes on lmaoo💀

[@darringrey4329]

Jessie still has the girly squeek lauf though

[@Gabrielle4870]

After all this time they still haven't figured out how to make a podcast sound good.

[@AnitCsah]

It has to be pitch-shifted or slowed down. I first thought they sounded sick.

[@grumpytex1970]

Thanks for the crank length update. As confirmed by my wife position makes much more difference than length, that's why bikes have adjustable seat posts. dont forget shoes stack height can also make a difference +/-

[@kollegekool]

Chris’ handlebars look crazy wide. offering 38cm as the smallest width is wild for such a bike

[@hawkmantm465]

What’s up with the voice recording this week? You boys have gone Barry White!? Ohhhhh Baby 😎😄

[@erichkopp]

I'm a bit of an imposter watching the show as primarily a gravel rider these days. The gravel discomfort is always amusing to me on the show. I always enjoy watching despite no longer being a pure roadie.

[@andreassakkas7234]

For all the 165 gushers.... in a couple of months you will jump on a bike with 170-something cranks and you will love them and swap back over

[@discbrakefan]

Haha 😂. I need to run 165mm due to hip impingement but it is funny seeing all the hype about them now

[@MattiasThyr]

Triathletes can be set up for Ironman to save their running muscles and don’t want to change it for more technical shorter races with peloton.

[@ciprian7]

Chris position is similar to Tadej, rotated forward but not too low, arms bent but not all the way, less aero but easier to produce and apply power, had he gone to 165mm cranks would be more different as well

[@YannickOkpara-d5l]

I’m perplexed that Chris is struggling to get aero when he’s gone up 10mm at the front end. I wonder if he’s 1) gone shorter, so he’s a bit scrunched up and can’t extend his torso/roll pelvis into forearms parallel or 2) he’s switched saddle position that restricts his pelvis.

[@BC_cyclist]

Looking at how high Chris's knees come up in the aero position, he'd benefit from the 165mm cranks. I've changed recently, and I would never go back. I can stay in the drops for way longer than before on the 165mm cranks.

[@discbrakefan]

Most of us don’t have amazing hip range, so it definitely helps with aero positions

[@DickSpencer1954]

Guys.... Im kinda surprised that there wasn't a shout out to Kristen Faulkner's slam dunk win in the women's race???? Also a former rower??? I was disappointed but it's your show mate.

[@testalino]

Who cares besides you and two other Karens

[@jameswillett118]

In regards to sram v Shimano will you also be Looking at replacement cost of chains, cassettes etc? Good work anyway Chris, interesting stuff mate.

[@payno24-7]

How dare you cut out the annual Perth chat at the end

[@jovan.vuckovic]

1:07:35 definitely the best looking kit on the olympics this year

[@super8hell]

1:08:00 guys guys guys, NIGERIAN TEAM SKINSUIT WAS ON FIRE.

[@stuartmisfeldt3068]

Chris is on the hoods in front position with arms at about 20°. Jesse is on the drops with straighter arms, which is way less aerodynamic. Chris has longer cranks which inhibits his ability to get low due to hip rotation, also power output is down with those long cranks.

[@DickSpencer1954]

That SRAM groupset has finally gone over the top. 3900 to 6800 dollar proprietary groupset can stay under the glass case in the stupidity museum as far as I'm concerned. A lot of this extremely expensive crap over the past few years is going to kill the sport at the grass roots level cycling. Thank you for my rant 😊

[@discbrakefan]

Yeah not many of us will be buying these crazy expensive groupsets that’s for sure! But I think SRAM also deserve some credit for making decent electronic groupsets more affordable than they’ve been before (Rival and Apex)

[@hapageek707]

Ben Delaney does good longer term gear analyses/reviews.

[@ironian07]

Chris what if you were to go 165mm cranks as a test for racing to allow for a more comfortable aero position? Would you guys test 32mm tyres on Heffron given its a bit more a rougher surface to see any benefit? ignore if you already are.

[@william2788]

It's still nice to hear your quick opinion about the viability of 1x road with this groupset. But as you point out the gaps on those cogs especially the easiest ones are just to big.

[@discbrakefan]

Gaps between the easy gears isn’t that much of an issue unless you’re spending most of your ride climbing. I think it’s a good compromise, you have closer ratios on the flat but enough gear range to get over anything steep

[@william2788]

​​@@discbrakefan 13 to 15 cog is a 15% jump in a portion of the cassette that will likely be used a lot. Not huge but meh in that spot, fwiw the 10-36 also has this, Shimano avoids this with a 14. Then there's 24,28,32,38,46 which is 17%,14%,19%,21%. I agree this probably works for mostly flat or rolling terrain but for me a large amount of riding is sustained mountains.

[@storchenegger1]

Chris, it's mandatory by UCI to wear the national jersey at the Grand Fondo WM, this is an official UCI event!

[@8rk]

Chris. You need to lose that go pro style bolt on the camera mount that sticks out a mile and use a smaller one with just a regular hex key head that sits way more flush. The kind that comes in any after market computer / go pro mount thingy off amazon.

[@brucehumphries6889]

I think you should go up with the spacers and maybe a longer stem

[@JDM304]

Thanks guys!

[@screaming_quagga]

I am one of those cranks length converts that could not do it. 558 went from 177.5 down to 170 mm. And could not do it. Had to go back to 175 since they don't make anything longer anymore. I am six foot six so much like going from 172.5 down to 165mm for shorter folks. it definitely felt weird. Not undoable, but not nearly as comfortable and definitely felt like I lost leverage.

[@darringrey4329]

Same tried it 180mm down to 172.5/ 165, for months back on the 180s

[@discbrakefan]

I’m unfortunately one of the guys with really long legs and hip impingement so I had to move to 165mm (or ride very upright). I know what you mean about lost leverage. It does sometimes feel like pushing in very small motions. But for high cadence riding it feels fine. Need easier gears for steep climbs as the leverage is less.

[@bubbachua]

Time for Chris to do another NBD with NBF! Feel so bad for Chris he look absolutely devastated 😆😘

[@thefrannys9200]

Nigeria kit was an absolute banger

[@porterbwithers]

Chris you're right about the Triathletes being far forward. As a young triathlete I was taught that being farther over the BB helped use muscles differently so that the legs are fresher for the run.

[@discbrakefan]

I thought it was more about the hip angle opening so they could maintain an aero position for long periods and still maintain enough power. Going forward puts more emphasis on the quads and less on the hamstrings (plus takes pressure off the hip flexors), so undoubtedly that does help the running afterwards.

[@MarcinCebula]

The new red is the first SRAM I want on my bike. I like the brakes and levers over Shimano, shifting is on par with Ultegra, but at the price of a dura-ace? It makes it a harder choice.

[@madrx2]

2:20 O dear, I'm guilty of that in crits! hahah

[@DPbike]

Chris - you were obviously rocking a Pogi power position not a Campenaerts cramp ;)

[@jayobannon5359]

From the title, I think you need to book an appointment with Neill Stanbury.

[@Kashimax]

Get Freiberg on and talk crank length. I remember that guy going longer cranks cause of his height. I think he was at 182.5 or something crazy at one point.

[@discbrakefan]

Wow that’s extreme. I’m quite tall (and all of that is in my legs) but due to hip impingement short cranks work best for me! Ultimately there’s no correct length, it’s all about the best compromise for each person. Bike fitting is underrated and unfortunately there aren’t that many really good bike fitters!

[@TheBassallyear100]

i'm certain i'd be on the deck after going over the first crappy spot in the road if i was gripping my Di2 hoods solely with my pinky fingers! (admittedly that is partly because of how ridiculously humid it is here in Florida)

[@Ian-Saxon]

Last episode…”can we talk about camera footage?” This episode “we need more batteries for camera footage”

[@scottwatson7844]

Chris definitely prefers Shimano. I get what he’s saying re the other stuff but most of it is trivial and won’t matter when out racing.

[@condorito93swe]

Is it just me or was there an abrupt ending there at the end?

[@jimbob-nz24]

Definitely Jesse was still talking and it cut off

[@MrMattie725]

Wow, didn't realise Hefron park looks like an average Belgian road! :D

[@Evaso_CC]

Chris didn’t have chronic neck pain - until this episode

[@DelTacoBueno]

Triathletes do sit farther forward over the bb to reduce a bit of strain on the quads throughout the pedal stroke... definitely not great for handling but helps with the run off the bike.

[@spartanbike2260]

rumor mill next gen of dura ace will be 13 speed wireless. so be patient.

[@timbenton7963]

Re: the crab in the mens pair its essentially like deciding to undo your quick release skewer then bunny hop, hope that helps chris understand how novice it is

[@SWAGolfChannel]

Remco's position has got to be your model example for Chris' position? biggest difference seems to be ability to get the head low and shoulders shrugged up and in. Last few k's of the Olympic road race has good footage to compare against.

[@discbrakefan]

Remco isn’t a great example because he’s a freak! Not many riders have his anatomy to get so low and still put out power.

[@SWAGolfChannel]

he doesn't get any lower than anyone else tho. He gets super narrow while he's in the aero-hoods position, that's the impressive part that one might model their ambitions on.

[@georgepepper5993]

I read a new Zipp gravel wheel set review. I commented (# bond the hooks ) for Chris

[@rumplestiltskin1]

I thought the triathletes position forward so that they can utilise different muscles on the bike so they're less fatigued for the run (primarily slow twitch on the bike and fast twitch for the run).

[@discbrakefan]

It’s more about muscle groups than muscle fibres. Being far forward puts more emphasis on the quads and less on the hamstrings. But the main reason is they put an emphasis on an aero position more than power. In a time trial or tri, the power isn’t that high due to the long effort, but holding an aero position for a long time is the goal. Being far forward opens the hip angle and allows that aero position to be more sustainable. It’s just weird seeing them try to emulate this on road bikes, which the Olympics requires (they’d normally be on TT/Tri bikes).

[@joehutchison-oz5ng]

OK… I love the inclusion of some rowing chat here in the last few weeks.

[@discbrakefan]

It is really interesting hearing insights into other endurance sports (as someone who has never tried rowing)

[@bendardania]

So about that Giant TCR. I bought a frame and hanged a Ultegra groupset with c50 wheels. I like it but to be honest I don’t get what’s the hype about it. Good bike… but, I am not really supper impressed with anything about it. Good climber, decent comfort. I think my expectations were way higher than what it is.

[@brettownsend4649]

Ok I’m going to go down that path that we should not go, I am healing from a self inflicted front end wash out on a bitumen corner, I have multiple locations with missing skin and am considering shaving certain areas in the future as a precaution/ performance gain in recovery, how high do you shave on the leg line and why/what considerations should we take into account when deciding on the short pants ?

[@Over50sroadie]

When will the M size Nero jerseys be back in stock?

[@PedroPrego]

Regaeding olympics yeah... not everyone is having the same teammates. But maybe they should. When mvdp attacked hard, he would get remco, was not for van aert to follow him closely (mvdp should actually kept going because worst case scneario he would have 3rd place).

[@christospapaspyrou945]

50-10 is the same as 55-11. 52-46 will be close to 36-34. So you basically get the gearing range of something like a 2x with 55/36 (can’t use such drop on a FD - maybe 55/40 max) with a single 50t chainring and a 10-46 cassette. Actually, that range would make a hell of a 1x climbing bike.

[@jamesinrok]

The ending made me feel like i had been eves dropping on two mates talking in a coffee shop - let’s say Old Papas -for the past hour. At the end they got up and walked away while still talking, leaving me in suspense but also feeling like I deserve not to know.

[@cannon1156]

Chris looked like he was well forward on his saddle

[@storchenegger1]

the level of reference went up, because the olymic race was last week! Who remembers the olymic bike race winners?

[@smalltoe]

Sprint shifters are awesome… I mount them to be triggered by index finger…

[@tristinvanderlind5995]

Is it me or does Chris have a deeper voice in this episode?

[@zappafile123]

Video idea: do an analysis of Remco's position and bike setup - what bike fit choices has he made that's made him so aero?

[@discbrakefan]

I think it’s more his anatomy than his fit! He can put out big power all day in an aero position. He’s a small but stocky rider so he cuts through the wind but can push a big gear. Big speed.

[@ianstephenson650]

Jessie, this proves how old school you were. Ok , late adapter. Welcome to the new world.

[@lorenzodestefano4043]

the fact that disc brake bikes are faster than ol rim brake has no scientifical evidence: the max speed with the rim brake was 44 km/h faster than some races with disc brakes, there are several riders that still ride rim brake bikes at the same speed of yours... the fact that now races are faster depends on 1) improved overall fitness 2) wheels-carbon wheels have become more affordable... I don't understand how a breaking system have made bike faster.

[@conorkilkenny5424]

Chris brings up gravel group set Jesse says this is a road cycling show Chris bring up the olympics Jesse gets around it I love the show and listen weekly for the unfiltered chat but come on mate, pick a side here. Full road or nah?

[@hippo71124]

Am I tripping or is the video speed slightly slowed and that the pitch is down?

[@Tim_McMurray]

Poor Chris, he is over 40 years old now, an extra spacer or two to lift the front end up is going to be better for him.

[@discbrakefan]

Maybe, maybe not. Targeted strength work can help maintain flexibility and mobility.

[@RyonBeachner]

I went to 165 and hated them. Settled on 170. 165 felt like I had no “snap”, and struggled to respond to accelerations. Now, if I was on a TT bike, and I wanted to prioritize being as aero as possible, it’d be a no brainer.

[@NoName-ot]

Incorrect Chris - Belgium kit is 🔥

[@discbrakefan]

Yeah I thought it was one of the more interesting ones. And I think their traditional national kit is one of the best looking!

[@Enukia]

such an abrupt ending lol

[@Fresh79999]

That track surface looks as terrible as Pittwater Road

[@jalm3yda]

New TREK Madone Gen8 Rad Bike is UDH.

[@eoinmullally9627]

The UCI Gran Fondo World Championships is essentially the Amateur World Championships, or course riders should and rightly do get to wear their national kit representing their country. It only recently that cycling in the olympics has been represented by professional athletes, prior to this is was an amateur event and they too rightly got the honour of wearing their countries team kit.

[@MagicFrisby]

What full hands gloves is Jesse wearing?

[@swites]

National jerseys at the Olympic RR just need to be seen. All those kits which were a sea of mostly white with white helmets sucked. From overhead shots they all blended together and you couldn't make out who was who. My country was one of them and impossible to pick them out from the crowd. So first be seen. 2nd worry about looking good.

[@PatrickLino]

Chris having cognitive dissonance over his aero position is pure entertainment.