The Most Broken Hearthstone Card

[@Rarran]

Let me know if you want more of these and what topics?

[@dragonslayaaa9378]

If we stay on cards most fun quest, if we deviate from just cards, most fun deck archetype. Also great video keep up the great work.

[@mortenskands201]

most enjoyable/fun cards to play/play against

[@SeleenShadowpaw]

These discussion type things are really great in general. I like hearing more deep cuts on why people think cards are actually good in the grand scale. Most of the time, people are in the moment and talk about why they are doing what they doing right now on stream when they talk about stuff like this, so it's nice to see you take a step back and actually talk it over. So please, from my side, feel free to break it up with more stuff like this. Not even just draft or ranking stuff, but healthy debate with other creators in general.

[@manuelevacilotto2701]

Pen best deck?

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

Most "why wasn't this card good" or "how in the world was this a meta card"?

[@hugopettersson4032]

Rarran: Brann is only good if surrounded by good cards. Also Rarran in the same sentence: Demon seed is great if you have the right cards surrounding it

[@majinsixten2762]

Yeah but you have to draw Brann and then the cards with battlecries while the demon seed always starts in your hands

[@Rarran]

My articulation here isn’t great, my thought was brann makes other cards better, where supporting cards make the demon seed better

[@svenwagner4717]

@@Rarran ypu mean like...boar? :)

[@calveras86]

@@svenwagner4717 boar with supporting cards certainly makes him better

[@svenwagner4717]

@@calveras86 it sure is. Just trying to figure out Rarrans reasoning for hyping Demon Seed while questioning Brann or boar. Everything he said about those two can be applied to the seed (needs other cards to be strong, 'just' limits design space, etc)

[@SoulsOnly]

I'm really surprised that Ice Block wasn't mentioned. Basically every variation of mage (except mech-mage) wanted to play this card.

[@thiccnoodles6767]

Tru tru, ice block is the classic staller which may allow a win.

[@iconwilly9498]

agreed

[@B9Knight]

yea top 3 for sure

[@scorchone2310]

You forgot many many many variations of mage that didn’t run that card ever

[@SoulsOnly]

@@scorchone2310 i might be biased, cause I haven't actually played HS in ages.

[@juby6359]

Loatheb would definitely have been on my list, has been played since the first days of Hearthstone and still is. He's a better version of current tech cards.

[@drughetto]

Thank God someone said loatheb, I was scrolling while losing hope in the playerbase

[@theeeves]

One of the first cards that came to mind from older sets.

[@Arvendui1]

Would love to see Loatheb back in the core set next year, would be one of my picks too.

[@thiccnoodles6767]

Loatheb is pretty ridiculous. Makes a winning position guaranteed

[@Tiblious]

Loatheb with shudderwok, is a lock I do not enjoy it

[@Razmatschannel]

You should have drafted decks with your draft and played against each other

[@kreia187]

yeah, i'd really like to see that demon seed + shadowstep deck. Also Baku + N'zoth must be a crazy good combo.

[@Razmatschannel]

@@kreia187 Doesnt need to be only 1 deck haha

[@lochi4575]

@@kreia187 could be like a best of 3 or something

[@bugcatchertimothy7380]

True, that is how we know which are the best cards

[@orinbrim]

@@kreia187Baku and N’Zoth would accidentally be the biggest throw of the century, and I’m sure you could figure out why.

[@EvileTome]

Holy shit, this can be a weekly podcast with you two, I could literally listen to that for hours and I don't even play HS. Amazing content, can't wait for more

[@kirkheisterkamp6988]

I think one going over each class would be fun. Like a top 3 or 5. I mainly want to hear about how much Wildheart Guff took the druid strat and pumped it to 11

[@Cuestrupaster]

Holy shit I fucking hate Guff, that isn't even Hearthstone... 20 mana? Get that fucking custom card out of my game.

[@stylianosvrikkis6974]

More like pumped it to 20

[@ImfrAfreak]

I hate guff so much. He is just too good paired with the Druid bs that goes around

[@spacemoose200]

The lack of Dr. Boom is surprising, it was in every deck back in the day and Big Game Hunter became a staple just to counter it

[@Cuestrupaster]

yep.

[@hollowlord8548]

But nowadays it's barely used

[@ImfrAfreak]

It’s not used In wild

[@mauer1]

@@ImfrAfreak because wild is combo heaven dr. boom was just the best generic 8 drop back in the days. but nowadays there is just better things to do on 8 drops

[@ImfrAfreak]

@@mauer1 he a 7 drop and I know that. The video was based on standard and wild

[@madscarlsen5003]

the thing with renathal in wild is, that he gives a lot of information to your opponent too, simply by not playing him. If you are against a warlock and the dont use prince renathal, you can be reasonably sure they are playing mechathun or something similar

[@Hakokoro]

The look on Dekkster's face when Rarran is saying how Boar is not good says more than any reply he could have given.

[@hermiona1147]

I mean I can see both sides here, Boar on its own is garbage but certain cards enable(d) to pull off some crazy combos. You can say the same about Shudderwock, if there weren't any good battlecry cards he would never be played.

[@vhcblade4469]

To be fair, Boar was never played until Journey to Un'goro with The Caverns Below Rogue. Which means that it took Boar 3 years to even see play. And boar didn't see play again for another year since the Quest was nerfed pretty quickly. Then there's the Boomsday with that terrible APM Topsy Turvy deck.

[@SoulsOnly]

Boar would be disgusting in the Anima-extractor warrior decks

[@GaussianEntity]

Boar got a card banned in Wild lol. It's always a sleeper card.

[@SoulsOnly]

@@GaussianEntity what card?

[@ZeRafut]

I think everybody can agree on the fact that trivia about old broken cards, history about the particular state of a game and overall trivia about said game may be the most interesting content that can be done. This is what I enjoyed so much about this video, cause it fully embraces it and forces you and your guest to argue your choices and deliver on some of the most interesting pieces of information. In your HS content lately, I've really enjoyed everything that was released but I was always looking for those little nuggets of info that your guests would occasionnally share and that's why your videos with Kripparian have been so cool, he would always greet every arena staple with a little bit of trivia about it.. Even though Dekkster may not be on point with his choices especially N'Zoth that was poorly argued, I absolutely loved this video. 10/10 would recommend

[@B9Knight]

man when he said nzoth i thought cube lock was about to be mentioned

[@dennynguyen2885]

Loved the video! If I had a list, I probably would've had Kobold Librarian on there. I don't know about the wild meta, but when I played Warlock back then he was an auto include. My man is just vibing, taking books, while giving Warlocks a free hero power. If he was a neutral, I think so many decks would have him!

[@snykyninja5632]

Yeah the only warlock deck that doesn't still use Kobold Librarian in wild that I'm aware of is Even Warlock, it's a very good card.

[@nannerpants7]

yeah he's still in almost every single warlock deck to this day, regardless of what type of deck they are

[@morgl9478]

🐛In the dungeon I go deeper🐛in set reviews I was a sleeper🐛when minions die I get cheaper🐛You guessed it right🐛I'm corridor creeper🐛

[@LemonGingerHoney]

Dekksters list is as mythical as reading "from your homework", when you're siting in the back of the class.

[@grubbygeorge2117]

I remember once being given a homework to write a cooking recipe. I never wrote one. Just made something up on the spot when asked to present lmao

[@CaymenLeP]

Ooooh damn I like this. It’s like a mini-podcast!

[@Rarran]

That’s what I was going for

[@rajkanishu]

@@Rarran you succeded greatly at that!

[@moovmints]

great series, dekkster is also a great personality which made it even better

[@Ledros]

The reason why you play pirate rogue in wild is definitely swordfish, not patches. He's still very, very good, just that weapon is stupidly broken

[@Riwul]

Well while that is true up until storm wind pirate warrior was also around tier 1 which was mostly contributed to patches and Ankarrrr . While not too recent patches always enjoyed a spot as one of the reasons you would want to play pirates in aggressive Decks. Most prominent in recent months or Years probably in kingsbane rogue and pirate warrior (considering pre stormwind where questlines broke warrior)

[@MauxRose]

As good as that weapon is, Pirate Rogue is vastly overrated imo. Hunter has a better deck in beast hunter with that dredge weapon. But yeah, Swordfish is stupidly broken I'll agree on that.

[@ph1lny3]

While true, Patches is still a card that most Wild players will put in their top 5 crafts for the format. He's good enough to even enable aggro strategies in classes that aren't known for Pirate Synergies (like Druid). He's even seen play in Odd Paladin (though to be fair that was partially a meme because of the ReaverRyan fanclub)

[@bretert]

@@ph1lny3 patches is good but a 1/1 means nothing even on turn 1

[@peterkirk8510]

swordfish is definitely what made it the premier aggro deck over warrior

[@galelululu]

Brann is the Landorus-T of Hearthstone. EXTREMELY good positioning, very strong, sets up plays for other things, has a “when played” effect, but just barely not op enough to be banned. might be a reach though haha

[@neophyte_DQT]

They have similarities in terms of reliability and flexibility. I dunno if it's spot on tho. Landorus being tanky and a good pivot, but also a good lead play, don't really correspond with combo oriented squishy Brann.

[@galelululu]

@@neophyte_DQT yea but have u considered both of them are vaguely brown and gold colour schemes. think about it

[@neophyte_DQT]

@@galelululu u got me there. they also got some glorious facial expressions

[@augustday9483]

The nice thing about Brann is that he scales with the rest of the game. As long as good battlecries are printed, Brann remains relevant.

[@neyl8400]

I think a better comparison would be Lando-T and Tar creeper back when every deck ran it

[@kotkotzilla8772]

Video idea: You and a guest both pick cards by taking turns, when a card is picked the other player cant pick that card, you get both copies from non-legendary cards, after both players have around 40 cards you make a deck and play a 1v1

[@jordanlutz8307]

But they have to play the same class.

[@kotkotzilla8772]

@@jordanlutz8307 yeah

[@sebastianoltean]

Would also add Emperor Thaurissan, Open the Waygate, Caverns Below (why Stonetusk Boar is actually OP), Wildheart Guff

[@alazyazc4886]

Agreed especially caverns below when it was released it literally needed 2 nerfs to be half balanced and it was still played

[@alazyazc4886]

And undertaker should have been picked

[@jordanlutz8307]

Not drafting Pre nerfed Corridor Creeper is a tragedy.

[@rajkanishu]

Picking cards that got nerfed and/or basically disappeared from ladder in a matter of months or weeks doesn't really make sense for the "best card of all time", there are millions of them at this point: Undertaker, Tunnel Trogg, Pre nerf OG Rogue Quest, the man whose identity is none of our business, the entire Razakus package, Carnivorous Cube, the list goes on and on

[@B9Knight]

this card is so easy to forget to be honest the nerf obliterated it from existence

[@B9Knight]

@@rajkanishu wait cube wasn't nerfed was it

[@nickthejack]

Shadowstep is cool and all, but I'm pretty sure the best rogue card of all time is probably secret passage. Other random cards that could've been on the list imo are kobold librarian, shudderwock, preparation, mechathun, open the waygate, sorcerers apprentice, guff, probably more I'm forgetting

[@B9Knight]

man secret passage used to give 5 its insane i would put ice block above open the way gate but yea all what you've mentioned are good cards i wouldn't put mechathun that high there are many better win conditions/combos tbh

[@nickthejack]

@@B9Knight oh yeah, block could be up there for sure. Might be right about mechathun, it's been power crept, but there was a long time where it was the dominant combo in the game. Gotta respect it still

[@lordcrispen]

I'm 6 minutes in and this is hilarious from the standpoint of how content creation is generally done. Seeing Dekk's face reactions while Rarran is talking constantly reminded me that pretty much every content creator can say whatever they want uncontested for 10-30 minutes on any topic, and this goes WAY beyond games. Watching cooking videos, mental health, political, philosophical vids...It would be funny to just have a little thumbnail sized face live reaction of a respected fellow peer just tucked in one of the corners.

[@Numberfoxify]

Talking about boar, they literally banned Switcheroo because of the Darkness/Boar combo, that would have still been possible even with the Switcheroo nerf, so Boar’s in a state where supporting cards just make it too much, but because it’s a legacy card they don’t want to remove Boar from the game. I’d consider that pretty good/broken.

[@doodoodaadoo1]

I personally would’ve started with Loatheb. That card is in all control decks in wild

[@MauxRose]

It's also a good pick in tempo/midrange decks even if those are rare. Def one my fav cards

[@thekanguru6606]

"Yeah i was gonna choose Zephyrs tooo" had me on the floor laughing

[@michaeld8705]

If I had to draft content creators Dekkster and Rarran would be my first picks ❤

[@yoba867]

Not mentioning original Leeroy is weird. First (?) card to get nerfed after release, autoinclude in aggro, combo and some control decks (depends if handlock is control). He is almost like oldschool Sire but much easier to plug and play

[@MH-wz1rb]

Mysterious Challenger though

[@ancient7716]

Top 10 (most op) cards were: Baku, Reno, Zephyrs. Hysteria, Stealer of Souls, Kael'thas, The Demon Seed, 3 mana Mithril (warlock), Sorcerers apprentice, Incanters flow.

[@KariThomasMiller]

I'm totally on board with the Ziliax pick though. Though it was mostly only for their standard rotation, you just literally always wanted Ziliax in your deck no matter what you wanted to do... It bought you time, it was efficient removal, it helped you snowball, it was at a perfect cost/effect ratio that you were happy to have it on turn 5 or turn 20.

[@B9Knight]

the thing with zilliax is that it didn't define decks around it (well maybe only mech decks) but yea it is true that zilliax was very good card

[@iitzblizzard1581]

love the comments and the video idea plz do more i have never laughed so much watching a video, this is def one of my all time favorite videos (next to do u know hearthstone ofc) just anything to do with the cumminity and content creators and having that interaction acting goofy and everything really does lighten up the community lots plz keep this going PLEASEEE WE NEED THIS

[@ByFee]

1. Baku/Genn - No comment. 2. Shudderwock - Slept on because its a class card. This card was smothering, and still is. 3. Wild Growth (2 mana) - the winrate on this card is nuts when drawn. 4. Deathstalker Rexxar - Define an entire arc type. would be ran in every control deck if it could be. 5. Zeph - gave consistency to a deck that's only weakness was consistency.

[@Synical02]

I see the logic in demon seed being busted and banned. But imo Demon Seed supported Dark Glare extremely heavily so I think more or less dark glare was the issue , and not Demon seed although QuestLine Warlock was insane. From what I recall the quest primarily was used for the stabilization during the mid quest rewards and eventually Tamsin would be a finisher or pay off incase darkglare gassed out because the Flesh Giants nerf seemed to be substantial enough to give a reno or turn 6 recovery.

[@ratznefumel]

Mysterious challenger in paladin was such a good card. When you curved good on turn 6 in paly the deck had a 60%+ winrate back in the day

[@peer263]

i love dekkster. he's so funny and chill.

[@anthonyschwartz1084]

Rarran is playing "I win" as an adult lol

[@thekanguru6606]

lmao that "when u dont like the video" got me gud xD

[@nellobarto]

If we're talking underfed cards, Old Kaelthes, The Caverns Below and Secret Passage definitely need to be mentioned, as well as any stormwind hero card (Underfed Scabbs, Guff and Cariel are the strongest ones to come to my mind ?) My top 5 would be, unerfed : Genn/Baku, Secret Passage, Patches, Shadow Step and finally Ice Block (with the secret tutor that we have now)

[@Cuestrupaster]

Unerfed Secret Passage and Caverns Below would be a good pick, but still wouldn't beat unerfed Undertaker or unerfed Warsong Commander, or even Buzzard...

[@kurtzimmerman9272]

To think baku wouldn’t see play in standard is a BOLD statement I have learned rarran has the most wild opinion on earth

[@vegatablesoup6409]

did you forget og secret passage. 1 mana to draw 5 was absurd. And 1 mana draw 4 is still ridiculously good.

[@anthonyschwartz1084]

Even if Rarran played this game of "best Hearthstone card" against himself, Rarran would win.

[@ivenstorm]

I probably already commented this, but Coldlight Oracle. A solid low cost minion that gives +2 extra cards. Plus it was a staple in early mill decks.

[@AkromaStrategy]

the editing of this video makes it look like Rarran is bullying him

[@Foruneg]

My only problem with this video, that from 10 cards there is only one litterally card - Shadowstep. Every over card requires to build deck around them, so a single card is not that good. Dekkster mentioned Zilliax, but he didn't added it to the list, but this is the one best card indeed, because you could slap it in almost every deck and this made deck better. But maybe I just got the video wrong: I've expected to see cards like Cobold Librarian, Branching Paths, Ice Block or even Blood Mage Thalnos - cards that are (or was) so good and so powerful that litteraly every deck benefits from them.

[@Kersakofu]

I think there should be a best of wild and best of standard. You can do each standard rotation separately. There are many old cards still played in wild, like Lotheb. Baku/Genn I'd say are together since start of game effects are mostly them. I know this video was just gauging interest, but best card is hard to really pick. Things like dominated their set rotation or how long have they seen consistent play in wild would be easier to top 5.

[@markuswindischmann4551]

boar is a genius pick , just this year it made for a problematic deck in wild with the darkness and switcheroo

[@lilnoah3915]

I think my #1 pick would have been Kel’Seth (is that how you spell it?) the 2 mana if you drew this early you win the game. Probably is not the strongest card anymore but the fact that drawing him basically won you the game, I don’t think a card can get stronger than that

[@luminecorce7578]

Its spelled Keleseth

[@Tyiriel]

They kind of picked Keleseth in that Shadowstep was picked - "The card that allows rogue to do a bunch of shenanigans"

[@Ledros]

A turn 1 otk maybe?

[@thiccnoodles6767]

Keleseth WAS one of the strongest in the game, but in wild today it's not aggressive enough, hand buff is better.

[@B9Knight]

well he also was great w shadow step yea another reason why shadow step is great

[@meosk]

Y’all touched on “the most fun” I wouldn’t mind seeing that video :)

[@loupe500]

I think Baku and Brann were awesome picks and honestly, Baku would still be my top 1 as well. I guess if that were my list I would pick Baku, Prince Renathal, Ice Block, the Demon seed and Brann Bronzebeard as my top 5. Honestly, I am surprised no one mentioned Ice Block. That card is more important to the class than shadowstep is for rogue. Rogue had a lot of agressive decks that just didn't run shadow step. Mage, on the other hand, has never given up Ice Block while it had a chance to play in any given format. Even agressive decks like secret mage in wild still runs Ice Block (a stall card) because it's just that good.

[@NotSoGentleJester]

Only 30 seconds in and i know this is gonna be a banger, lets fucking go

[@jaeusa160]

I think if I were picking 5, I would've gone with... The Caverns Below, Jade Golem (package), Shudderwock, Incanter's Flow, Gadgetzan Auctioneer Every single one was part of a completely oppressive and hated meta deck, sometimes more than that (Auctioneer), and all of them were nerfed severely, or even nerfed multiple times. Except Jade Druid which was power crept over the top of, but still managed to make a 6 mana 4/6 Ghoul tech card a common 2-of in the meta because even Knights of the Frozen Throne could not keep Jade Druid down. When players play a terrible card just for your matchup, and your deck is STILL a top tournament contender, I think Jade Golems earn a slot. Jade Golems were the first massive power creep that crashed the game, so badly that they printed pre-nerf The Caverns Below.

[@thatgamingfreak]

I would have thought for sure Warsong Commander would make the list. It was so broken that they completely changed what it did and basically removed charge from standard soon after

[@B9Knight]

interesting pic to be honest i think there are many better combos like sorcerer apprentice

[@daleisonyt]

This is a podcast waiting to happen

[@chromaxd26]

Maybe not the "most powerful" but The Best Designed card is, in my opinion, Defile. It encompasses everything about how a card should be. At its worst it is just a 2 mana Whirlwind (which is horrible, especially for Warlock, who's got zero zelf-damaging mininons sinergy), but at it's best it is a 2 mana Twisting Nether that clears tokens. Its power is solely based on your own skill (it is not a winmore card that you just slam and win; you have to actually make critical decision, arithmetical computations and optimal plays/trades for it to payoff). It destroys opponent's aggro archetype, can't be played in an aggro deck (punishing aggro is always healthy), while simultaneously being an incredible control tool - I might be biased but I always thought control metas were best, where a bad decision could come and bite you 10 turns later and you actually got to play the game instead of dying (or conceading, knowing you already lost) on turn 4. In a similar fashion but with slightly different play strategies, Risky Skipper is also a beautifuly well designed card.

[@GaussianEntity]

Renathal is one of those cards that got released when all its competition got removed from the game. It would have been interesting to see Renathal vs full power Garrote Rogue, Aggro DH, and other fast aggressive strategies. The Wild equivalent would be Renathal vs Sorc Mage (both Ignite and Flamewaker), full power Aggro Druid, full power Tax Paladin, etc.

[@Nankeroo]

I just want to say Rarran, I love these types of videos! Please do more!

[@Geddn]

The pokemon ost putting in i respect.

[@RatedManatee]

Shadowstep and Brann are still very good for the same reason, as other cards are being powercrept, they repeat the already powerful battlecries, with Shadowstep being the actual broken card for being free, fitting well in Rogues mana-cheat and multi-card playstyle.

[@KingOfHarems]

So surprised that Og Scam-queen Ali wasn't up there. Like Zephrys was a finisher card a lot of the time, and would win games for you, but Scam-queen didn't need any setup to win games. When she could get herself from her effect, you would just end up winning games with that one turn, and unlike, Zeph, it never needed any pre-work

[@Centrifuze]

Anyone who thinks Stonetusk Boar ISN'T some absolute cheese, needs to go watch some MarkMcKz videos ASAP. Boar #1.

[@catcatcatcatnip]

haven't finished the video but I'm screaming THE CAVERNS BELOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW GLORY TO QUEST ROGUE

[@Zorkalot]

Zilliax was different from renethal as zillax was a crafted card and played so much, and renethal was gives out for free. Course it’s gonna get played more, esp since it’s just a fun mechanic and new player seems and things “oh wow I get to put more fun cards in my deck”, yet zilliax was just so good and fit everywhere in terms of just pure game strength from one card

[@megatenshi]

Pre nerf Darkglare is definitely up there for me. Turning Warlock into a Magic the Gathering Storm deck was always pretty wild. It's in the same sphere as Demon Seed obviously, but before it was nerfed I think DG was stronger

[@B9Knight]

turn 3 giants was fair yea xD

[@megatenshi]

@@B9Knight Who could have possibly forseen that multiple 8/8s in the early game would lead to uninteractive losses? Not Blizzard, apparently

[@rajkanishu]

Interesting video, I think all picks here have their merits and I personally agree with Dekkster's weird list, Baku (and Genn) had an enormous impact on the game and cards like Zilliax saw play across many many years, I personally would have added Loatheb and Sorcerer's Apprentice since the first still sees play today in Wild and is still capable of ending games on the spot and the second is one of the most nerfed cards of all time for a reason. I also would've picked an unusual card for this type of discussion and that's Deathstalker Rexxar, while it definitely was never "broken" on the same level of most cards here I think it sort of marked the beginning of a new era for the game, it was the first ever "infinite value in one card" card and I believe it is the reason powercreep started increasing more and more from Kobold and Catacombs onward, it was unplayable during Frozen Throne as Hunter was the only class that had zero viable non-aggro decks, it started seeing play with the release of the Spell Hunter archetype in KnC, it would have dominated the meta if Odd Paladin didn't exist during Witchwood and that entire year in general thanks to Vicious Scalehide and Rush (and Poisonous though it was not new) being in the Zombeast pool, basically that card was the first one that forced the game to spiral into infinite powercreep, culminated with United in Stormwind aka the absolute worst expansion released so far. Lastly, small correction, Zephrys is currently broken in Wild (as in it doesn't really work properly) so it doesn't actually see play in 100% of Highlander decks

[@insomniacnerd5592]

The possibility of making a Renethal-like card that puts your deck at 20 cards is there, but the consistency would be so valuable. You’d have to do something like put your mana cap at 5 mana crystals, I’d think.

[@vebjrnholm7196]

Set health to 20 or 15.

[@thomash341]

Well, Edwin was broken because he used to have stealth……because his designer woke up that day and chose violence.

[@privatepengu]

I think Dekster says some right things about Brann Brann could’ve easily been made a four-drop somewhere along the way and never seen play ever again

[@LlorracTN]

just a small correction... Topsy priest was a top deck at one point and was played in tournaments I'm pretty sure... the only reason it always had a horrible win rate was because it was so hard to play. One of the most fun times i've had in hearthstone was learning to play and master that deck, I had a lot of fails at the start but then my win rate started to climb. Whenever combo decks like that come around it always feels so satisfying to see your improvements in reducing errors and making optimal plays. Sadly these decks have become rarer and rarer in hs

[@TwoRedOneBlonde]

I forgot how wild Dekkster's eyebrows were lol

[@DeaThreeper5]

This would be sick if you guys went through and drafted a class. After the draft those are the cards you get to use in a game against each others deck

[@Melphinamithra]

Luna's Pocket Galaxy or Deck of Lunacy would have made more sense than half the picks Dekkster chose.

[@badwulff]

I like the video and basic idea, and I think Rarran and Dekkster have some nice chemistry, but I feel it's a bit of a questionable concept in a number of ways, because "best" (as was sort of hinted at during the video, actually) is pretty difficult to define. Is the "best" card the "most well-liked", or "most fun"? Is it the "best-designed"? Is it the "best" from a gameplay standpoint, a vague notion at best? And for any of those, you could have varying interpretations of even those definitions. "Best-designed", for instance, could mean that it has the best coherence between its flavor and its effect, maybe even its associated aesthetics - like the original Lord Jaraxxus - or it could mean that it's very balanced while still being very playable - Loot Hoarder, perhaps - or that it's the healthiest for the game, or it could mean that it has the most interesting effect, the one where the devs really took advantage of Hearthstone's digital format (e.g. Yogg-Saron which would be impossible to play in a physical game). Meanwhile, "best" from a gameplay standpoint (which kinda sounds like what Rarran meant) could also mean different things. Is it the "best" in a vacuum - something like Zilliax or Zephrys, which are strong effects no matter when you play them? Is it the "best" mathematically, as in best winrate when drawn or when put in decks - like Evolve for a time? Is it the "best" in terms of how popular it is, or how much it's played, and how much it's kept seeing play over time - Shadowstep of course, but also stuff like Ice Block or, in fact, a large number of Classic cards? In that case, is it noted for its reliability, or just for "feeling good" when you play it? Does the "best" mean "the most problematic", or "meta-warping", card, as Rarran sort of pointed to with Demon Seed (and Dekkster with Baku)? Because at the end of the day, depending on your definition, this list could vary wildly in terms of direction. If we go for the "popularity" route: Brann, I would say, most definitely goes above the Demon Seed (and maybe even above Patches, given the respective lengths they've been in the game) in terms of how many decks have played him over the course of the game, if only because he's Neutral and the Demon Seed is Class-only. Which is also a problem with Shadowstep, which probably has seen less overall play than something like Doomsayer - or Stonetusk Boar, realistically. If, on the other hand, we go for the "strong" in terms of deck performance route, then it seems strange to include Yogg, while not including cards like Ice Block, or Tunnel Trogg, or Sunkeeper Tarim. Also, there are some strange choices here - Rarran stated that it was a stronger argument if cards still saw play today in Wild, but neither Demon Seed nor Yogg do, and Demon Seed is unplayable in Standard. Like you can make the argument that Demon Seed would probably see play _if it was in Standard,_ but that's a hypothetical, while we _know_ of Wild Cards that see consistent play today, like Open the Waygate, or Loatheb (either of which would probably be fine contenders, along with the aforementioned Ice Block). It kinda feels like Rarran was partly utilizing Demon Seed's playability before it got banned, in which case it feels like Undertaker, or Corridor Creeper, or Giggling Inventor, or Spreading Plague, would all belong on this list in their OG forms.

[@juananonimo6993]

Dekkster voice sounds like..... too smooth? Like cream over cards, or something like that.... (Muah hahaha)

[@ZFroZenHail]

I think the best card is Magma Rager. I mean, who haven't heard of this card, it has 5 attack and is the original Rager which give birth to all the other Rager. In fact, sometimes, your opponent (especially mages) loves it and is happy when you play it or randomly summon it from another card effects. You know the card is the best if everyone loves it including opponent. And do I really need to factor in the design too? The design is so hot, like hot molten Magma.

[@mochmaster45]

Some absolutely busted older cards also include mana wrym and sludge belcher.

[@B9Knight]

well if i would participate in this without picking the same cards i would go: 1-bloodrever guldan: arguably the best thing you can play at turn 10 and i don't think cubelock (one of the greatest warlock decks) would exist without him 2- loatheb: i don't think i need to talk about him but to this day lotheb is still the best counter against spells 3- ice block - sorcerer apprentice: these 2 goes together the ability to buy guaranteed extra turns and then combo is so frustrating. 4- i ran out of ideas but original equality: i cant believe it costed 2 mana and still see play at ... its 4 mana i think idk still really good card 5- hesitant between shudderwock or genn but im gonna go for genn it's enough to mention that even shaman is still being played in wild

[@maximedignard8650]

It is absolutely foul that there was no mention of corridor creeper, ice block or spell kaelthas

[@tubebrocoli]

tbf you guys forgot Ice Block

[@benjaminberes7118]

I can only say one thing: Undertaker

[@uriarte411]

I think Dekkster took rounds 1 and 3, Rarran took the rest

[@Jiddlez]

I'm amazed not a single person chose Ice Block

[@alcodark]

looks like dekkster didn't have or less time to prepare..xD

[@SirJohn2852]

In random order: Guff, Ice Block, Secret Passage, pre-nerf Snowfall Guardian, Risky Skipper, Kobold Librarian, Patches, Loatheb, Brann, Zephrys

[@theolin5486]

Shaman battlecry quest, doomsayer, yoggs puzzlebox or rune of the archmage, ice block, kazakusan, tamsin, the paladin hero card that gives half dmg, etc

[@melas1172]

Oh man the chaos Baku and Genn decks cause lol

[@croatoan-t-g]

demon seed in wild had 86% winrate in legend and the deck wasn't even refind before getting banned

[@blackseraph5939]

Not to be disrespectful, but how is Wild Growth not on here? The one card that made Druid a class was completely forgotten about...

[@zenbozic6184]

i cant believe ultimate infestation wasnt on this list

[@Nightenstaff]

Unpopular pick for me would be Sludge Belcher. No matter your skill level, no matter your hero type, no matter your investment level into the game, when in the rotation, your deck considered a Sludge Belcher.

[@heroicvileplume7184]

No grim patron or undertaker? Both cards were so absurdly oppressive that the meta effectively just became them and the decks that sorta countered them sometimes

[@Renecromancer]

Jade Idol / Aya Blackpaw Guff / Widowbloom Seedsman Order in the Court Impending Catastrophe Sn1p-Sn4p Cavern Shinyfinder? Questing Explorer? Starscryer? Call of the Grave? Shoutout to Undertaker, Secret Passage, sorcerer’s apprentice, mana wrym, tuskarr totemic, and their fellow 1 or 2 mana cards that have been nerfed to oblivion

[@m.r.r.2636]

13:35 Is that background music Super Mario World in a slow pace?

[@TheDeanandBen]

I think it would be fun if you spun a wheel for an archetype and then did a draft where you both make that archetype and 1v1

[@olo8199]

as an arena player im sad that chillwind yeti has not been mentioned once

[@kainesp2]

i think Shudderwock and pre nerfed Corridor creeper were definitely missing from this list. Shudder literally broke the client when it was released and still to this day in wild is played. And Corridor was literally a free 5/5 most of the time, it's similar to patches, most decks were running it

[@PhoxyPoxy]

Rarran Vs Dekkster - put all cards you each chose in and let the Hearthstone Auto-Deckbuilder finish the deck for you - whomever win takes the crown.

[@kreia187]

Demon Seed + Shadowstep in one deck and Baku + N'zoth in the other. I don't know buddy, I think it's pretty obvious these lists aren't meant for that.

[@PhoxyPoxy]

@@kreia187 if you can't fit it all in one deck then you're just not trying hard enough.

[@kreia187]

@@PhoxyPoxy Fair enough, I'll try harder next time.

[@PhoxyPoxy]

@@kreia187 that's the spirit

[@kreia187]

@@PhoxyPoxy I'm sorry if my initial reply came of as toxic, I read similar suggestions about 3 times while scrolling and that irritated me a little.

[@luddent7505]

Patches, 4 mana Barnes, old Kael'thas, old Darkglare and Demom Seed would be the ones for me, maybe Stealer of Souls should be there. (I'm a wild player if you couldn't tell)

[@nickp7983]

Ice Block getting slept on!

[@Cuestrupaster]

1 = Patches vs. Baku, I would say good two picks, but definitely Patches. 2 = Demon Seed vs. Brann, obvious Demon Seed. 3 = Yogg vs. Renathal, I would say for third pick this is very weak, but yeah Renathal is probably better than Yogg. 4 = Shadow Step vs. N'Zoth, ridiculous picks for forth best card, yes Shadow Step is good, been around forever, but not even close to be worth of the forth spot... with that said, N'Zoth as forth? He would MAYBE be at the top 100... 5 = Boar vs. Zephrys, Obviously Zephrys, Boar is a ok pick, but not for 5 position... maybe 20... ~How did you guys did not talked about pre nerf Warsong Commander, Patron Warrior would had 100% winrate if everyone who played it knew how to pilot the deck... they had to ban her to oblivion in order to not make more problems, even the devs agreed she was injusticed... ALSO no pre nerf Undertaker, it was so broken, you knew you lost the game turn 1... it was retarded.