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@playersnake4 ай бұрын
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
@Jesussaves8524 ай бұрын
Jesus loves you and may God bless
@Skellyplayz2264 ай бұрын
So i just played Earthbound(an RPG very similar to Pokemon) and I noticed there was a stat called "luck" which allowed you to dodge attacks more often. You should do a video about the competitive scene if a 7th "luck" stat was implemented as a core mechanic throughout the lifespan of the games starting with gen 1. I know this idea is kinda weird and specific, but please make it. Also I love your content. Your uploads are the best part of my week.
@mennykickens4864 ай бұрын
Lmao finally a perfect sponsor for the video focus
@Kazzujin4 ай бұрын
I hate i was looking for one of my fav youtubers with a manta sleep promo and couldnt find one. And now i have and i already bought my mask. :(
@DionysisGalanis4 ай бұрын
I literally just started watching this on my bed as I was about to sleep. Yet it is banned now. I don't know what to do.
@theschnozzler4 ай бұрын
Sleep via rest isn't banned so you can sleep for 2 hours at a time
@docxy73314 ай бұрын
Seeth
@ShibuNub33054 ай бұрын
suffer.
@chasemiller37124 ай бұрын
New Pokémon item: Warm Blanket. When asleep, the Pokémon's Special Defense is greatly boosted.
@EvidLekan4 ай бұрын
Milotic would love that item
@thebigandlazyguy2464 ай бұрын
Komala signature item pog
@globurim4 ай бұрын
Rest plus sleep talk/snore would be wild
@micahfurlow26244 ай бұрын
Genuinely not that bad of an idea
@Eidolon51504 ай бұрын
Pog item
@thel-iteralone45924 ай бұрын
Gen 1 sleep: you need to waste a turn to wake up. Gen 5 sleep: the number of sleep turns resets if you switch out. Which of these mechanics is more disgustingly broken?
@rubenduenas58814 ай бұрын
Gen 5
@grunkleg.31104 ай бұрын
Gen 5 because it's easier to manage Gen 1 sleep
@gregorysilas63294 ай бұрын
Definitely 5
@devinsdead2274 ай бұрын
Difference is everything is broken and glitchy in gen one so its way less impactful in gen 1, Furthermore, gen 1 has no users of sleep moves above 75% accuracy (except parasect but thats not even a pokemon) while gen 5 has amoongus and breloom, 2 incredible pokemon
@tespenkr99244 ай бұрын
Yes
@chaosgallade23314 ай бұрын
Nemona is starting to become an unofficial mascot for this channel the way these thumbnails are going.
@雪者4 ай бұрын
Well, I'll be. Nemona fans will be happy at this
@misteral90454 ай бұрын
She pretty basic. It fits.
@TyrantWesker4 ай бұрын
I mean, she basically IS competitive Pokemon personified.
@mathewricafrente59844 ай бұрын
No wonder why she has a hard time finding a rival, no one in her school plays competitive Pokémon
@gnarledcox4 ай бұрын
She's perfect for it, she's a skilled competitive trainer with a positive and welcoming attitude. Irl competitive Pokémon was soooo niche for so long that the anime created Paul as a stand in for those players- caring about stats and performance more than loving the pokemon or enjoying the journey, making him an asshole and a villain because the community WAS so snobby But as features get easier by the gen (hyper training, nature mints) competitive Pokémon becomes more and more accessible to ALL players Nemona symbolizes a change, she's the ideal modern competitive player who wants to reach out their hand and boost curious players up to their level, not gatekeep knowledge
@Flash33c4 ай бұрын
I think part of the reason Sleep is so controversial is the constant changing of how it works. In one gen it could last for 1-5 turns and not reset upon switching out, while in another it could last 1-3 turns while also resetting upon switching out. It seems TPC couldn't make up their minds on how it actually worked until recently.
@roberte.o.speedwagon60434 ай бұрын
Sleep in Gen1 is insane. Sleep in Gen1 without Sleep Clause is EVIL.
@vaporterra4 ай бұрын
The harbinger of that level of evil was Pokémon Stadium
@Will-uv9kx4 ай бұрын
@@vaporterradidn't stadium 2 have sleep clause?
@MGPW4 ай бұрын
EVERYthing is broken in Gen1. Why call out one specific broken thing? That's like eating a sandwich and complaining about the bread.
@roberte.o.speedwagon60434 ай бұрын
@@MGPW because the video is about Sleep and talking about Sleep is.... Contextually important? Why would I make a comment about Confusion in this video about Sleep?
@Danchamp074 ай бұрын
This is why I use slices of ham as bread substitute for my sandwiches
@NotSpecialDude4 ай бұрын
I think the reason the sleep ban was so controversial was HOW it was implemented. Namely that it was ban via a council vote vs a public suspect test. There were valid reasons given and hindsight shows that it did have merit, but it sat wrong with a lot of people. Especially since the Survey they put for vote had "Banning Sleep" Sit at 3.7 for the council and 3.3 for general. (For context, you'd put a number between 1 and 5, with 1 being balanced and 5 being banworthy. The final result is the average of all the votes.) People felt that Sleep should have been tested instead of instabanned. In the end of the day, people begrudgingly went along since it was something most felt good for the scene, but the manner it was done certainly left a bad taste in some peoples mouth.
@CottidaeSEA4 ай бұрын
Remember, it's the same group of people who believe Stealth Rocks isn't banworthy, despite it being leagues above other hazard moves. Gamefreak had to make hazard removal moves more common and plentiful just to deal with that garbage, but that just leaves other hazard moves in an awkward position because they aren't as powerful.
@darvin86274 ай бұрын
The problem with that stance is that Sleep Clause has ALWAYS been decided with a council vote. Sleep Clause has been controversial for several generations now, but the Council has always privately voted in favor of maintaining it. No suspect. Nothing has changed in this regard, other than this generation their vote went the other way.
@darvin86274 ай бұрын
The issue of Sleep Clause has ALWAYS been decided with a council vote in every previous generation. Sleep Clause has been controversial for several generations now, but the Council has always privately voted in favor of maintaining it and a lot of people weren't even aware that these votes were happening because they voted in favor of a status quo. The reality is that this matter has been decided unilaterally by the OU council without a suspect for well over a decade. Nothing has changed in this regard, the only thing new is that this generation they voted the other way.
@grunkleg.31104 ай бұрын
@@CottidaeSEAA couple things wrong here: - Hazard removal is far _less_ common in Gen 9 - In spite of less hazard removal, you can still play around them if you know what you're doing. You could slot in a Great Tusk or equip some Heavy-Duty Boots for example - Stealth Rock is for sure the most common entry hazard, but saying it's leagues above Spikes, Webs, and T. Spikes is just plain wrong. Spikes may actually be better than Rocks thanks to their tendency to target Pokemon who aren't already wearing Boots. Your Kingambit's still taking 25% if it's not holding a Balloon or Boots, which is very significant chip damage. Webs are strong enough that Ribombee of all things managed to land in OU for a bit by being an elite web setter. Toxic Spikes have the benefit of applying continuous chip damage through poison, especially valuable in a world where Toxic is significantly less common
@NotSpecialDude4 ай бұрын
@@grunkleg.3110 I think he was referencing Stealth Rock's dominance during gens 4 and 5. The former especially had it so you were often SoL when dealing with them. I personally don't think they were ban worthy, but I see their point.
@sephondranzer4 ай бұрын
Sleep clause was baked into Pokémon Stadium - every cup and gym leader castle has this clause.
@AndresD.deLeon4 ай бұрын
Is that true? It's been 23 years since I've played stadium
@DarthMagog4 ай бұрын
@@AndresD.deLeonStadium 1 and 2 had the following rules, straight from the cartridge Level Range: 50 - 55 Total Level: 155 Sleep Clause: Yes (Sleep will fail) Freeze Clause: Yes (Pokemon just can't freeze anymore) Species Clause: Yes Item Clause: Yes (Stadium 2 Only) Self-KO Clause: Yes Event Clause: Yes Time Limit: No Prime Cup was a little different, since they didn't have a level limit, and they didn't have any banned pokémon (though they still did have an event clause for some reason)
@baddragonite4 ай бұрын
😮the truth is a Breloom actually murdered all of the OU council's parents in an alleyway so now it's considered the most terrifying pokemon with both spore and baton pass Fun fact: he actually used Baton Pass to Escape the cops and is still at large to this very day
@Aaa-vp6ug4 ай бұрын
As someone who is definitely that Breloom and NOT a plushie, can confirm
@boop534 ай бұрын
shoutouts to Mega Mewtwo Y for being immune to sleep for some reason
@bluesandman75664 ай бұрын
I have a headcanon I would like to share with you: Notice how Mewtwo's head grows when it mega evolves to Mega Y? I believe it's because mega evolution affected it's brain, so my headcanon is that mega evolution mega stimulated it's brain so it's incapable of falling asleep.
@siddhartacrowley87594 ай бұрын
@@bluesandman7566 Brain Damage
@supermaster20124 ай бұрын
@@siddhartacrowley8759Mega Mewtwo Y is a Smogon council member confirmed.
@breakfast_pasta79234 ай бұрын
Tbh it’s probably just a gag on the original concept of Mewtwo’s "Awakened" form.
@darkness741854 ай бұрын
@@breakfast_pasta7923 woke Mewtwo woke Mewtwo
@LaiLai-21114 ай бұрын
Sleep and Rest don’t feel like real words anymore after just the gen 1 section
@tomwolfe77824 ай бұрын
Semantic satiation strikes again...
@nathanlamont99204 ай бұрын
I recall Sleep clause being on Stadium 2, Colosseum, and XD. They also had freeze clause.
@Acre004 ай бұрын
Stadium 1 as well. Not sure about the later games, but it was even stricter in Stadium where Rest would trigger sleep clause on your team
@diamondmemer97544 ай бұрын
New item: the santa clause It only works on delibird, but if the opponent attempts to put the pokemon to sleep you instantly win the battle and the opponent cannot sleep irl until next Christmas
@Constantap_4 ай бұрын
I love how Nemona has become a recurring character for these thumbnails lol
@aidynladouceur83694 ай бұрын
To add the the list of reasons why players weren't all for the gen 9 sleep ban, was because apart from Darkrai, and maybe Iron Val, sleep didn't feel bad. Hypno val is release and DLC 1 wasn't getting the status banned, and it took Darkrai with hypno + nasty plot AND sash for the mechanic to really feel overwhelming. Then when discussions about the ban were being brought up, players who didn't feel like it should go, and in turn, basically kill the viability of those slow grass types who's identity and value was based on their ability to sleep (Like amoungus and breloom), were offering different solutions to the problem, such as only banning hypnosis as its inaccuracy and presence on the faster and stronger mons in the tier meant that when sleep was being abused, it was the main offender. But after all the public discussion, instead of a public test and vote, it was eventually banned by console vote as a whole, leaving a lot of people feeling unheard and bitter about the loss of some fan favorite pokes just to keep a mon who's been banned for 5 generations in the tier.
@thestonedgeek89284 ай бұрын
Sounds like a whole lot of crying from bad players wanting to continue to abuse a broken mechanic because they can't win otherwise.
@HowlingOneify4 ай бұрын
Neither Amonguss nor Breloom NEED spore. They like it of course but Amoonguss still can get used on select stall teams and Breloom still slashes stall and some fat teams with Swords Dance sets. Super small niche of course but it exists for both.
@aidynladouceur83694 ай бұрын
@@thestonedgeek8928 yeah, and an ability that gives you a free +1 attk for having the rest of your team KO-d is A-OK for the competitive scene. Especially when that mon is strong and bulky. While we're at it, lets ban Jirachi as well, having 60% chance to flinch is rng and broken too. The problem with writing off people issues like that, is how many other situations that you can apply the same reasoning too. We all want a balanced metagame, and no one thought darkrais hypno sash set was fun or good for the game, but saying its sleeps fault, and not the fact that its fast inaccurate sleep alongside immediate powerful offensive pressure is what led to more mons being completely irrelivant even when in a normal and healthy spot in the game to convenience a single mon. Rage fist and last respects wern't banned when a single mon was destructively abusing it, but was once more mons had it and it was broken on them all. Sleep WASN'T broken on all, or even most mons, yet it was banned, not the mon. Where's the consistency there?
@AceAviations24 ай бұрын
Then again this isn't the first questionable ban they're done, that would be the first is the FULL Baton Pass ban. Gen 5 has it right, there Baton Pass isn't banned, however having Baton Pass+way to boost stats is. This allows for Dry-passing, aka using Baton Pass as a pivot move, one that ACTUALLY COUNTERS PURSUIT-TRAPPING. If you didn't know Baton Pass for whatever reason, meaning that for Celebi it's the better option over U-Turn. With Pursuit gone this isn't as big of an issue in Gen 8 or 9, however the previous gens and Natdex this would be good. This would just need to be expanded to apply to Z-Moves which boost stats (Z-Splash, Conversion, etc.) and cover items that boost stats when particular conditions are met (Weakness Policy for example). There you have a more reasonable solution than banning a move with healthy uses (dry-passing), this overreach of banning Sleep as a whole instead of banning Hypnosis is just another reason why I don't respect the council's decisions much anymore. By banning Baton Pass they also indirectly banned counterplay to Pursuit-Trapping. Yes you can pass Substitutes, which is what got Shed Tail banned, however the difference is that Baton Passing a Substitute requires two turns, so there's no guarantee that the incoming Mon will keep it for anything other than a safe switch-in. Plus if the thing passing the Substitute is slower than the attacking Mon they may be able to break it before the pass. Shed Tail is broken because it creates the Substitute and passes it in the same turn, making a two-step process into a single button press.
@thestonedgeek89284 ай бұрын
@@aidynladouceur8369 all I read is "waaah I'm bad at the game and can't adjust waaaaah".
@TheStrongestBaka4 ай бұрын
My very first ever competitive pokemon battle was on an old simulator (NetBattle Supremacy) where you could challenge people with your own set of clauses. I didn't know what any of those were so i left them unchecked and ended up sleeping everything with a Breloom. Truly a battle of all time.
@GlowstickLamps4 ай бұрын
Who needs sleep when you have showdown
@gayboy11424 ай бұрын
actually really solid double entendre
@supermaster20124 ай бұрын
Based
@GlowstickLamps4 ай бұрын
@@gayboy1142djdjdufuh I didn't realize that I made a double entendre, thanks for letting me know XD
@EnderPryde4 ай бұрын
It's also worth remembering that the version of Sleep Clause for Nintendo Cup 1997 also doesn't resemble the modern idea of Sleep Clause at all: It also counted Rest-Sleep, so you couldn't use Hypnosis if an opposing mon in the back had used Rest and swapped out.
@ghost_walker_x4 ай бұрын
I really love Nemona being in all these thumbnails
@shakenjacob79464 ай бұрын
These meme thumbnails are absolutely glorious.
@twocandan19794 ай бұрын
I wish they'd just replace it with the drowsy status for Legends. Same with frostbite and freeze.
@brendanboomhour76064 ай бұрын
Freeze isn't that bad, it just needs a higher self cure rate (and less moves that cause it), like say, 40%-50% a turn, and maybe make it so the self cure rate increases by 20% a turn, so you'd have to have incredibly awful luck to stay frozen more than a turn or two
@Nuka-Lucas4 ай бұрын
Drowsy is just a worse paralyzed.
@TyrantWesker4 ай бұрын
@@brendanboomhour7606 Even so, I think frostbite is just the better mechanic, as it could be more widely-distributed like burn is now. Special attackers finally having a status effect meant to counter them just feels more balanced, as right now, special attackers don't have to deal with Intimidate OR burns in the way physical attackers do. I feel like adding frostbite and an Intimidate-style ability that lowers special attack would feel more fair and also serve as another buff for the Ice-types that so badly need it, since they won't be able to lean on terastalization as a crutch come Gen 10.
@luigigordovermelho10634 ай бұрын
Please no drosy is even More rng dependent
@NotBamOrBing4 ай бұрын
Nah
@alessandroparducci49524 ай бұрын
Remember guys: sleep is important and you should get at least 7-8 hours of sleep oer day
@drxavier18704 ай бұрын
The diffrence between Singles and VGC is so dtrastically diffrent, i love keeping up with both metagames cuz its so intresting how Pokemon or mechanics in one format can either suck or be broken in the other. Incineroar is the perfect example with it being the king VGC but down in like... RU in Singles
@itztaytay24 ай бұрын
NU right now actually, and last month it was within 2% usage of dropping further to PU
@mr.lantern11114 ай бұрын
The thumbnail guy for this channel just really likes Nemona.
@marcorodriguez87924 ай бұрын
Probably likes her nemonas as well
@axis83964 ай бұрын
Important note about Gen 9 is that we largely don't have good Electric/Misty terrain users unlike Gen 7 for example where Koko or Fini are everywhere. Our Electric Surge mon is Pincurchin and our Misty Surge mon is Normal/Galarian Wheezing which also really wants Levitate for the ground and spikes immunity or Neutralizing Gas for gimmicking poison immune technicalities like Garg or Gliscor for example. Once we get Fini or Koko back, or just good misty/electric terrain setters in general, I think it'll prolly come back
@quacklord87104 ай бұрын
not only does it prefer other abilities, a lot of the time it wants to click wisp itself so its even detrimental
@devonchafe27644 ай бұрын
I'll always hate paralysis more than sleep
@watery22114 ай бұрын
Maybe because there is a para clause to artificially restrict para like sleep?
@grunkleg.31104 ай бұрын
Another important thing to mention about sleep, especially in Gen 9. One of the ways you can sorta try to play around sleep is doing a sleep sack, basically you switch in the least important Pokemon in the battle in on a sleep move so that something more impactful doesn't need to worry about it. However, the shaky accuracy of most sleep moves means that sometimes your strategic play can get foiled by dumb luck, putting you in a far worse position than if your Mon had gotten slept. Now the Darkrai or Valiant gets another free turn to do whatever they want, such as choosing to KO the Pokemon right in front of them so that they can potentially land the hit on another juicy sleep target
@X9Z174 ай бұрын
This video misses out something big from Gen 2 onwards… the introduction of the cleric role with the new move Heal Bell. Now, Sleep is no longer guaranteed to leave something useless, as you can remove the status while the sleeping Mon is in your party. Aromatherapy followed in Gen 3, increasing the amount of mons able to heal teammates. Also in Generation 3 we get the introduction of abilities, some of which help against sleep, like Early Bird, Natural Cure, or Shed Skin to wake up early, and abilities like Insomnia which causes a user to become immune to sleep entirely. These new anti-sleep options, along with the grass type powder immunity as you mentioned all contribute to why Gen 1 had the most powerful sleep, and as to why each generation is slowly felt less busted, not just sleep mechanic changes from generation to generation.
@itztaytay24 ай бұрын
Also worth noting that Heal Bell and Aromatherapy are basically entirely gone in gen 9 thanks to the resetting movesets this gen. Heal Bell is only on the Blissey line and Chimeco, and Aromatherapy is entirely gone.
@munchrai63964 ай бұрын
Yeah, its weird that this was never brought up. Was always the way I'd deal with sleep on more defensive teams, especially in conjunction with Wish on something like Umbreon
@X9Z174 ай бұрын
Heck, even synchronise has been used to swap into someone using an obvious spore (well, used by me at least because I abhor sleep users and like Gardevoir and everyone expects Trace) lmao
@munchrai63964 ай бұрын
@@X9Z17 Synchronise doesn't copy sleep though. Great for reflecting other status, especially against Magic Bouncers, but Sleep is a no go for it
@nishant92893 ай бұрын
I think the nerf to the defensive Pokemon in the form of limited recovers and less available soft-boiled, reduced toxic distribution was also significant ... Their reduced viability meant that the metagame was essentially faster than before and much more on the offensive side and each turn held more weightage than it used to do before, which made sleep even more impactful in a generation like Gen 9.
@itsLantik4 ай бұрын
Literally the perfect sponsor 😂
@TheGaming1004 ай бұрын
agreed
@superiormeh4 ай бұрын
...been away for too long. Htf did sleep get banned?!?!
@Piggly8w84 ай бұрын
Smogon decided to drop Darkrai from Ubers to OU. Then it and Iron Valiant abused Hypnosis to coin flip for whether they swept the opponent’s team or got taken out themselves. Soon enough they decided to ban the entire mechanic
@barrylmcdonald41764 ай бұрын
gen 9 is super fast paced and even giving away 1 free turn can swing a game one way or the other + fast abusers were very strong this gen (ival, darkrai, lilligant-h)
@DigitalRag3X4 ай бұрын
@@Piggly8w8I thought darkrais drop was DUE to sleep being banned? Sad cause now they run twave
@RandalfElVikingo4 ай бұрын
@@Piggly8w8Instead of banning both Pokemon... bunch of geniuses.
@cadetjones92054 ай бұрын
It was deemed too Powerful on certain Pokemon. Darkrai entered OU and had a lead set that would decide entire games on coin flips of whether or not it hit Hypnosis. To make things worse, Hypnosis being inaccurate actually worked in its favour cause if a Pokemon switched in hoping to be put to sleep for the sake of keeping Sleep Clause active and Hypnosis missed, Darkrai could take the KO on the sleep sacrifice and put something else to sleep after. Alolan Ninetales and Iron Valiant would end up doing the same thing and soon the metagame was full of players spamming Hypnosis rolling the lottery for free turns. This meta was deemed unhealthy, so sleep was banned.
@rubenduenas58814 ай бұрын
Off topic, but I love how Nemona is featured in these competitive thumbnails.
@RodrigoLeaf154 ай бұрын
Strange that Sneasler wasn't mention, because I remember the whole Sleep argument starting when Sneasler was added, and its Dire Claw bypassed the Sleep Clause due to it's RNG nature xDDDD (Yes, Sneasler was the broken one itself, but it certainly started the discussion on sleep's power XD)
@itztaytay24 ай бұрын
It didn't bypass Sleep Clause, if it proc'd sleep on its target while another mon on the enemy team was already put to sleep it would fail to sleep the new one (and you'd get a chat message about Sleep Clause activating)
@CiabanItReal4 ай бұрын
I think the way to fix it without getting rid of the mechanic, is to make being put to sleep automatically restore like 1/8 or 1/16th of health, sorta like Rest, but since rest is done on purpose you get a full heal. Also, give sleep talk a bonus to moves that it uses, so a 10% boost to the power of any move that sleep talk selects.
@skeetermania32024 ай бұрын
Huh, a 30+ minute FSG vid that doesn’t bring up Tyranitar. That’s a first!
@Lassoloc4 ай бұрын
it is in the b-roll footage of breloom in gen4 tho
@skeetermania32024 ай бұрын
@@Lassoloc I meant that it’s not mentioned by name.
@Lassoloc4 ай бұрын
@@skeetermania3202 yes i know
@casualcraftman15994 ай бұрын
Status was never a problem in gen 9 to me because of my Garganacl purifying salt ability.
@gamingcactus70954 ай бұрын
No way they banned sleep.
@howlhades00014 ай бұрын
Womp womp Lil bro
@DiegoG20044 ай бұрын
At this rate they're going to ban everything but moves that only deal damage.
@martinlowrimore4 ай бұрын
I havent slept in several days
@trains33774 ай бұрын
its so broken this gen, it needed it happen
@itsasecrettoevery14 ай бұрын
the way i see it, kyogre is surrounded. what's under the ocean? thats right, ground.
@ChocolateSoda14 ай бұрын
“Pokémon has now banned sleep” is a headline I’d like to see
@itsmesnacks2 ай бұрын
very funny when you consider the app pokemon sleep
@SuperSaiyanDCG4 ай бұрын
I love how creative that thumbnail is lol
@Stardust_Spy4 ай бұрын
I can imagine gimmicky Garticuno sets using Psycho Shift to rest talk in order to pass sleep to the opponent. That would be funny.
@slimestudios97484 ай бұрын
if only Shift was in Gen9
@kaja39324 ай бұрын
Oh hey a Pokemon is singing I wonder what it's singing abou-
I love that Nemona has started to become the mascot for these videos
@casualcraftman15994 ай бұрын
How useful was the move Dream Eater dealing with the sleep?
@siddhartacrowley87594 ай бұрын
And Nightmare?
@BlueAizu_4 ай бұрын
Dream Eater was never that useful, but Nightmare had a real niche in Gen 2 as something to make you think twice before using a RestTalk set. You'd lose HP every turn you're asleep, which isn't great when the point of using RestTalk is to not faint.
@pride_mitochondria39214 ай бұрын
Everything will be banned until OU is just Gholdengo and Kingambit.
@moonjelly54 ай бұрын
They're the Halqifibrax of Pokemon.
@grunkleg.31104 ай бұрын
I mean you could just get good and build teams with Pokemon that beat them
@rjstram4 ай бұрын
Nope smoothbrain smogon players want only the accepted meta. No thinking allowed. All teams the same. All moves the same. Worship the holy meta. No having fun playing the game. Only meta. I gave up on Smogon when they banned dynamax. An entire generation's main mechanic just banned cuz it changed their precious meta too much.
@jamesgiles45174 ай бұрын
@rjstram "boo hoo hoo I'm not allowed to auto win with a mechanic which was *clearly not designed with singles in mind and are ignoring the part that it's OP"*
@Yas-gu1pj4 ай бұрын
@@rjstramah yes the good old 'they want to ban pokemon to limit the meta' argument aka the most stupid argument against smogon, smogon bans things not to limit the meta but make the meta more unlimited since if there is one broken thing than every team wants to win uses it, than there is no team building around cool idias the only idia is 'use the op thing and counter the op thing' which limits team building and stops the meta from getting healthy
@plabcentral6304 ай бұрын
Nemona in the thumbnail= big win
@notfabio98584 ай бұрын
Incredible thumbnail
@bdt2002gaming4 ай бұрын
Hot take of the day: Gen 1 OU Hypnosis Gengar is objectively terrible and you’re far better off in a meta full of Thunder Wave running four attacks instead. Not only is 60% accurate sleep not worth it when it’s extremely easy to have a status absorber like lead Starmie, but gaining an extra moveslot for Psychic improves the Gengar mirror matchup significantly.
@maplemabel4 ай бұрын
i enjoy the layered joke in the thumbnail
@mariomasv4 ай бұрын
Lol, smogon trying to define what pokemon is since the 2000's. Some things never change.
@sptflcrw85834 ай бұрын
?
@thestonedgeek89284 ай бұрын
What'll never change is bad players crying over being bad.
@mariomasv4 ай бұрын
@@thestonedgeek8928 the ladder is/was a joke, never had a problem to rank up when I wanted to. It's not a "being bad" issue, it's a "Smogon is trash" issue.
@mariomasv4 ай бұрын
@@sptflcrw8583 ¿?
@thestonedgeek89284 ай бұрын
@@mariomasv sure Jan.
@Wizard_Lizard_4 ай бұрын
Paralysis is more annoying than Sleep. I will die on this hill. Why does my Speed get cut AND I have a chance to just lose my turn!?
@rossthemoss68274 ай бұрын
I agree sleep sometimes is overly annoying especially on mons like Darkai but Paralysis - everything basically gets a way to inflict it - unlike sleep you can have your entire team paralyzed - unlike sleep too you have no idea how many turns you are going lose as a result of it - and it halves speed
@hfactor664 ай бұрын
^ This. The amount of times I have lost 3-4 turns in a row due to paralysis while doing raids in SV is immeasurable, and it never gets any less annoying every time it happens.
@kefkapalazzo14 ай бұрын
Sleep apnea is no joke. Glad you’re living with it well
@vinny47654 ай бұрын
I started competitive on Gen 4 online cart battles. Anything went, and you got used to dealing with sleep. What you were never prepared for was the baton pass teams using evasion boosts.
@slimestudios97484 ай бұрын
inb4 the flood of "just use Aerial Ace" as though it's not buttcheeks without Technician
@MasterAbeer1014 ай бұрын
That art thumbnail is brilliant
@yuzooman4 ай бұрын
Man I love the thumbnails of this channel
@TheMrShanmao2 ай бұрын
personally... I think banning it outright is a little harsh. It's strange to think that people will kick and scream about being slept but will be completely ok with their entire team being Toxic stalled, or burned to deal half damage, or even paralyzed to become slower and lose a turn. Especially now that Sleep it countered by Grass the way Poison is countered by Poison and Steel, Burn by fire types, and Paralysis by Ground and Electric types (all of these having exceptions of course). It's stated that Hypnosis is basically a coin flip with it's 60% accuracy, needing an item or move to take up a vital spot in order for it to hit more consistently. Sleep Powder has a 75% accuracy and; while having a higher 3/4 chance to hit, you now have the normal counters to Sleep plus Grass-Types and Goggles if someone chooses. Then you have to deal with a 1-3 turn guessing game where you're either ballsy or too cautious. Things like this even riddle Pokemon by default where games can be decided based on RNG from moves, to abilities, to the statuses you gain. But people dislike Sleep because it wastes their time, it sucks being slept and it can equally suck when either side is just getting punted by lady luck. Moves like taunt on fast mons are more fair since it's like a read, a battle of wits as you neuter the other mon by denying them their utility; but people also have lost turns due to Paralysis or Confusion and even feel like they wasted a turn as the opponent pulls up a "protect" move or just recovers HP after all that hard work getting them low. Honestly sleep doesn't seem so brutal when you put it next to all the RNG it has to deal with in a game that has and always will have RNG. But now to the nitty gritty of it, the real sleep killers. There are only 2 100% accurate sleep moves in the entire game (at this point in time). One is Yawn, a move that requires set-up and can be circumvented by a switch-out (bonus points if you have one of the dozens of top OU mons that get U-turn, Volt-switch, or even Flip turn for free). But the one that most agree really hurts them is Spore. Spore is a unique case. It's basically a more accurate Sleep Power, having the ability to rival Toxic with that accuracy increase; but only 6 mons in the entire pokedex know this powerful move, and... they're honestly not all that special. Don't get me wrong, Breloom is a power house, but he's even more frail than Parasect and only really outspeeds tanks; but I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's look at them: Parasect: Bug-Grass type... (god why?) With only 60 base HP and 80 base Def and SpDef. His Atk is alright, with a nice 95, but like some of his other mushroom brethren, his speed is base 30... with snorlax levels of speed... Pros are his access to Spore and the Ability Dry skin that allow his to swap in on water types for free, and even though his typing has two 4x weaknesses, he resists both of the most offensive types in the game of Ground and Fighting, but that's all he's got. My best success is having him as a Spore, Leech Seeding, Substitute staller and switching in as the final mon when other threats have been taken away. Breloom: Grass-Fighting with less bulk than Parasect and only base 70 speed. Thier attack is amazing! with the ability to be a little more versatile with Technician and countering Toxic with Poison Heal, Breloom can be quite the hard hitter. But that's about where it ends... their entire point is to be a tank buster or gain momentum from a good switch in, but Breloom's lack of bulk means you'd either have to invest quite a bit into it to help absorb at least 1 hit, or just go fully into a glass cannon that will still be out-sped by most mons; and those mons could just 1 shot Breloom with a neutral move. Having Spore with Breloom can offer nice utility and a good wrench to throw into a 1v1, but they honestly don't need it as that could otherwise waste a turn or be useless to use when up against other speedsters or counters to Breloom Amoongus (sus?): Grass-Poison. Has much better bulk than the previous two, and with a decent typing that can deal with one of the best types (fairy) Amoongus can be a devastating tank/staller with Regenerator for quick swap outs. They have access to moves like Clear Smog to prevent set-up, and a decent split attacker for your choice of damaging options. But if I'm going to be honest, I found Amoongus to be much better with Toxic stalling than Sleep stalling. Amoongus' damage is just as I stated, "decent", but it can't really break through walls or even last against real heavy hitters even with its bulk. You'd be wasting your time sleeping then trying to do damage only for them to wake-up and recover, or swap out to utilize Sleep Clause (or to a mon that can't be slept), or just awaken to do massive damage that could kill. It'd be better to use Toxic as it has no clause and you can whittle down tanks more effectively; even if they use rest you know you have 2 turns for a swap and can send in another mon more capable of dealing with your opponent. Shiinotic: Grass-Fairy. Having more Special orientation and fairy stab, this little guy can swoop in to deny a Dragon-Type their sweep and has a very good SpAtk to reek havoc. They have the move Strength Sap which can be good to take a hit and reduce physical attackers power for others. That's.... honestly where it ends. They're not that bad per say but nothing makes them notable other than having Spore and fairy-typing with good SpAtk. Shiinotic is also slow as dirt but possesses some good moves to make them fill out more of a strange utility that can take down other Specialists with the same win/loss ratio. Their Abilities are kinda garbage though, Illuminate is literally useless in battle, Raindish is better with or against rain teams, and while I'd opt for Effect Spore, it can bone you when your opponent suddenly gets a status you don't want them to have. Toedscruel: Grass-Ground. Kind of in the same boat as Shiinotic as they have more special orientation, Toedscruel has gen 1 stats that make them lean more toward a specialist tank or the ability to be the fastest spore user. They have access to Rapid Spin, Hex, and some very good Ground moves that are mostly Special; so those weak to it are usually within a decent kill range. But their ability Mycelium Might forces them to always be last when using a status move. So if you're trying to use spore, you're forced to go last at the cost of having a mold-breaker effect. This has some utility but becomes more niche as you still can't Sleep Grass pokemon, and it's not like there are a ton of counters just waiting for Toedscruel to take advantage of it. If someone has Overcoat or Magic Bounce Toedscruel would have to be safely switched in and not have to worry about a move that could check them after the swap. An immunity to Electric can be nice but Toedscruel doesn't really have the damage to take most things down; it's better to stick to its stab moves and being used as utility for consistency and actual see success. Brute Bonnet: Grass-Dark. Finally the last one, and a pseudo legend at that. Their typing may not be that jaw dropping, but its stats are nothing to laugh at. With an amazing attack that almost rivals Breloom and the best bulk out of all of these mons, Brute Bonnet I'd say feels like they'd be viable with more versatility in their move set and the ability to take and give back hits with better success than the others. There's not much to say as Brute Bonnet really just feels like a strong arm pokemon with a good movepool to pull from, even with its mostly bad typing its bulk and damage make up for it, as well as a free swap on Psychic-Types. I wouldn't call these mons overpowered. They have access to the best Sleep move in the game but you'll notice a sort of... niche that Gamefreak has given them. They are always slow, usually the last one to move, and each one is a pivot. Parasect needs Dry-Skin but pivots on Water-Types, Breloom Pivots on Tanks or anything that has notably less speed, Amoongus.... uh, actually you got me there, Shiinotic on Dragons, Toedscruel on Electrics, and Brute Bonnet on Psychic types. They could easily be dealt with if you have a fast Fire/Flying mon even if the clause wasn't there. It's also worth noting some might play better to their strengths, like how Parasect is dependant on Spore, Breloom doesn't need it to be good, and Amoongus is better with Toxic in my honest opinion; the others don't really have much in specialty but aren't harmed in using Spore. Heck, not even all of the mons listed are in the current gen, or might not be for later ones. All in all, Sleep is just as RNG as most of the game. The only thing that makes it consistent are the Mushroom Mons with Spore, and it's not like they're the hardest thing to deal with. I wouldn't remove the Sleep Clause since that would open a floodgate of anguish due to how sleep is perceived, but with it on the Mushrooms are heavily nerfed due to at least half of them struggling to survive in the meta with that restriction. I think the ban was just a bit much since there are counters that are even just natural and the clause would've always been there. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a big fan of Parasect :V
@TheMrShanmao2 ай бұрын
mfw someone likes my mentally unhinged post :V
@facesoffearbrewing12294 ай бұрын
Relicanth is GOAT. Headsmashing other Pokemon with Rock Head ability until viagra doesn't work anymore. That thing is a beast!!!
@lolzant3974 ай бұрын
Huh.
@riccardopelino4 ай бұрын
Does this have anything to do with sleep moves banned?
@homenvy10264 ай бұрын
@@riccardopelinoobviously it does, head smash is a sleep move with recoil as everyone knows, I am smhing my sm head h my shake.
@y0mir4 ай бұрын
@@riccardopelino headsmash puts you permanently to sleep
@riccardopelino4 ай бұрын
@@homenvy1026 and any mon that had it has sheer force, because you need sheer force to slam your head a hard as you can into your opponent lol
@wraith.ferron4 ай бұрын
"Sleep really is the cousin of death" Somebody wasn't paying attention to their classic mythology. Hypnos and Thanatos (or Somnus and Mors, if you prefer Latin) siblings, not cousins.
@dannyshanahan92714 ай бұрын
Felt really bad for Leonard Craft for losing in the Indianapolis regionals semi-finals last week, mostly due to unlucky flinch and sleep. I know that luck is part of the competitive scene, but I think he was the better player, so it just felt cheap.
@Setsuzoku4 ай бұрын
If you ask me both sleep AND freeze are awful. They should've both been replaced by drowsy and frostbite respectively, the much better alternatives that were in Legends Arceus.
@TyrantWesker4 ай бұрын
It's kinda funny how the game with no competitive play is the one that proposed some really nice fixes for competitive play.
@Elfangor5674 ай бұрын
Sleep is a great reminder that Pokémon isn't really a game designed with Spike-types in mind. It's a game with lots of randomness built into it, and due to the nature of stat/ability/move distributions, this means that the statistically best mon require a very specific style of gameplay. It's not so much that sleep is broken (besides gen 1), but that the Pokémon that resist sleep strategies are rarely good outside of that context. Competitive players want to play in a very specific way, and that way requires severely altering a game never designed for their style of play.
@Kammithekiller4 ай бұрын
The thumbnail is perfect
@ryanborn70264 ай бұрын
you do a good job of channeling BKC's rage in this one
@nitro52474 ай бұрын
This is as close as we’re getting to a Kellen reveal
@celery7914 ай бұрын
He has revealed his face in another channel already. He’s in a “10 Poketubers design a Pokemon” video by Truegreen7.
@bmac44 ай бұрын
@@celery791I believe he's also been in a few livestreams too
@paolotrevisanato90284 ай бұрын
I read “Kellen reversal”, as in the pokemon move, and I had no idea what you were talking about 😂
@joekewl75394 ай бұрын
I think more impressive than the video presentation or research (which is fantastic, make no mistake) is the incredible ability to translate every video topic into a meme for a thumbnail. How do they keep doing it?
@davidshain86734 ай бұрын
And they still won't ban stealth rock in Gen 4.
@dripsoup66394 ай бұрын
I actually already have a Manta sleep mask, and that shit's the best.
@Dz73zxxx4 ай бұрын
Formats really despise Darkrai huh? It was its signature move, now it's its ulterior motive. Darkrai deserves all the grudge, alongside Regigigas
@ThePauperGuy3 ай бұрын
I'll never forget completely sweeping my friends with all their legendaries with my ninjask and breeloom and cloyster back in gen 5, good times, good times
@arejaybee4 ай бұрын
ou should just ban everything thats not tackle
@MiniOre22 ай бұрын
When the two generations that banned sleep has finch in the council
@ZeroZeke-4 ай бұрын
Lmao the thumbnail is too funny 😂
@jabarithegoldenlucario88414 ай бұрын
Nemona being in all these thumbnails is something that I must see continue. She’s gonna be a mascot at this rate.
@baxterbruce98274 ай бұрын
I'm not saying that Sleep should or shouldn't stay, but if the main issue is RNG factor, I wonder why the also RNG intensive Paralysis hasn't even been glanced at, it can swing games just as much as sleep can and gets spread WAY more reliably
@itztaytay24 ай бұрын
Largely because the speed drop is the "main" effect of the status while the 25% chance to keep them from moving is a very nice bonus. Unlike dropping speed para stays if they switch out which is very key in slowing down fast, offensive mons that try to come in and force damage throughout a match. Ideally the 25% removing turns effect would just be deleted entirely and maybe even revert back to para being a 75% slow instead of current 50% slow to compensate, but obviously Game Freak/TPC would have to do that
@lvlinty4 ай бұрын
Imo, rng has held the franchise back for decades in the competitive realm. But then the games are pretty boring to watch without rng...
@baxterbruce98274 ай бұрын
@@lvlinty I would genuinely say it needs to be embraced or the Competetive community needs to do their best to axe as many aspects of RNG as possible, it doesn't make sense to zigzag like this Of course, no one ACTUALLY wants to remove all aspects of RNG, I've theorized about this format and it's boring and repetitive if you actually do your best to remove ALL RNG aspects because this removes normal damage calculations (Which has a random roll)
@itztaytay24 ай бұрын
@@baxterbruce9827 Problem is they don't want to mod the actual mechanics, since they aren't the developers and Showdown! is just a *much* more convenient way to do competitive than playing on cart. So stuff like crits, damage rolls, accuracy on moves, the typechart, etc. is all untouchable. All they can really do is force you to not be able to use specific mons/moves/abilities/items in specific tiers
@baxterbruce98274 ай бұрын
@@itztaytay2 So did they remove the EXISTING mods with this sleep ban to be accurate to the claim they don't want to mod the game? The versions of Sleep and Freeze Clauses that existed before this were enforced by mods to the system that stopped anything that could inflict those statuses from going off if they already existed. They didn't NOT let you click the sleep move, they just forced it to always miss (Or, not proc in the case of the rare sleep secondary effects)
@xamfam4 ай бұрын
I can remember being a kid playing GEN 4 with my friends and I would always spam Dark Void with Darkrai 😂 We ended up agreeing that sleep spam was broken and banned it amongst our friend group
@AltohP4 ай бұрын
BRO THATS THE MOST IVE EVER SEEN KELLEN, POKEMON GAMER EXTRAORDINAIRE
@resdraon3 ай бұрын
Ive been parz hacked for over 3 turns in a row many times, which by far makes me think sleep now isnt a real issue
@TheShardsFamily4 ай бұрын
You can get around sleep ban by using rest, sleep talk an psycho shift
@deltalord69694 ай бұрын
I always found it funny that a move called rest restores your pokemon to full health but a pokemon being put to sleep and essentially doing the exact same thing just non intentionally doesnt get its health back.
@grunkleg.31104 ай бұрын
There's a difference between restful and unrestful sleep
@ktownpunkjr.19464 ай бұрын
Sleeping when you want to, healthy. Sleeping because a shadow demon or some mushroom forced your mind to, less so.
@gamingwhilebroken23554 ай бұрын
@@grunkleg.3110 True but I always thought sleep should heal a Pokémon for 1/16 or an 1/8 of their HP each turn. Makes the use of the status a bit more interesting (and would make rest more viable itself).
@Julius0644 ай бұрын
If someone roofies me I dont think ill wake up with full health
@MonochromaticPrism4 ай бұрын
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 I would agree with that if they removed sleep talk, as those sets occasionally see play with the current iteration of sleep.
@calregretsthis4 ай бұрын
gen 5 really did add an absurd number of broken new/updated mechanics huh lol
@dragoniteknight40434 ай бұрын
In my opinion, sleep, while extremely powerful, was never the issue. Yes, it is luck based. Everything in Pokemon is luck based, damage rolls, critical hits etc. It sets a bad precedent - if sleep is banned, than what next? Paralysis? confusion? Infatuation? What about Hydrapple's Fickle Beam attack, isn't a move with a 20% chance to double in power up to 160 OP? Then what about Zap Cannon or Focus Blast? If you wanted to avoid luck based mechanics, you should probably have played TemTem instead. Darkrai and Iron Valiant should have been brought up to Ubers, not OU. And as for Hisuian Lilligant, to deal with it, it's more about keeping the weather in check than anything else, though safety goggles can come in handy.
@shawnli47464 ай бұрын
I bet they'll ban confusion next. 50% chance to miss if you're slower and you get confused. It's even more broken against CPUs, they always shake it off next turn. But then again that's accuracy bias
@grunkleg.31104 ай бұрын
Just switch out. Also it's down to 33% now
@june99144 ай бұрын
Swagger is banned and nobody seriously uses confuse ray. At best there’s Hurricane but that’s being used as a hard hit in rain
@munchrai63964 ай бұрын
Lol, no. Confusion has become basically unusable after the gen 7 nerf to 33%. Gen 7 really overhit a lot of status effects where they could've just hit the most common move instead of also hitting the status ontop of it. Gen 6 will forever be my favorite competitive scene because of this
@deathblowringo41684 ай бұрын
In Pokemon Stadium, The duration of sleep is reduced to 1-3 turns. And In Pokemon Stadium 2, it lasts 2-4 turns like in Pokémon Crystal's Battle Tower.
@GeoffShouldWin4 ай бұрын
I just wish they would stop randomly banning and unbanning sleep in real life.
@ilikestamps29784 ай бұрын
Never forget Xerneas with only sleep talk and moonblast
@tomsimpkins12114 ай бұрын
One day there'll be paralysis clause, burn clause, damage clause..
@DrIthi4 ай бұрын
the most broken mechanic is CLEARLY spikes + pursuit
@mkandseptisyt40214 ай бұрын
11/10 thumbnail
@Kralex1214 ай бұрын
As someone who hasn't played PvP Pokemon in a while and kept up more with VGC over the last few years I just think this is very funny
@Matpit184 ай бұрын
Funny how the two generations with the most power creep are the ones that have sleep banned
@tysondennis10163 ай бұрын
With the fact that Amoonguss drops to RU the instant Sleep is outright banned, that shows how dependent on Spore it is.
@AlexisGHQ4 ай бұрын
The Bill Cosby Theorem
@diamondmemer97544 ай бұрын
Real talk tho they should make a new rule where if a pokemon is hit with a move that's strong enough (like 90 BP including modifiers ig) they instantly wake up from the hit
@marceloasensiofilho38334 ай бұрын
Personally I am against the ban on sleep as a whole. As frustrating as it can be it is part of the game
@june99144 ай бұрын
Mythicals are part of the game but they’re banned from the literal official competitive mode, even the ones that have no longer been made event locked. Smogon is unofficial but surely you can agree strategies that want pure luck like spamming fissure or evasion aren’t good four a competitive gamemode coz they add nothing but rolling dice in the game, and idk bout you but 60% chance two practically lose the game or have a serious hole punched in your team feels like a coinflip
@marceloasensiofilho38334 ай бұрын
@@june9914 I also believe mythicals should be allowed too. With the stronger ones like Arceus only as limited legends and the rest avaliable always. RNG is part of the game as much as anyone likes or dislikes it
@thestonedgeek89284 ай бұрын
@@marceloasensiofilho3833you sound really bad at the game tbh.
@librathebeautifulwarmonk12834 ай бұрын
@@marceloasensiofilho3833Sure but if RNG goes unchecked the game becomes unplayable. That's why it often gets limited as much as possible because there's not much fun in losing not because you got outplayed or outsmarted, because you got unlucky ONE time and your team gets wiped because of it
@munchrai63964 ай бұрын
As long as you can build your team around it, a bit of RNG is completely fine. Both OHKOs and Evasion moves are as potent as they are because the counters are incredibly niche and don't match up well against common strategies. Sleep Talk is still a very useful strategy on modern Pokemon like Ursaluna. Mind you, the massive drop in cleric options in Gen 9 really feels like the breaking point for me because that's what I'd use most often when I play. Then again, we have competitive Pokemon that entirely ignore status, but I'd argue that those Pokemon invalidate defensive play overall, so they ain't the healthiest for the game. I feel very similarly about King's Rock. There's like less than 10 Pokemon that can take advantage of the strategy and most of them, which gives those mons an identity over the standard sweeper sets. It also allows for more teambuilding variety because Serene Grace is rarer than I'd like it to be
@Mr_Maple4 ай бұрын
HAHA! I went to lay down for bed and saw the thumbnail and IMMEDIATELY needed to know what was going on!
@HecateArtworks4 ай бұрын
Gen 1 and 5 sleep is rightfully banned for the reasons you mentioned, is it too good. In Gen 9 I don't agree with it being banned as Sleep Clause did the job just fine. If 1 or only 2 Pokémon are causing the problem (main reason being due to speed) maybe ban 1 of them, I love Darkrai but I would choose its banning over sleep every time. Also I will never support any argument of being more accurate to cartridge based mechanics on simulators because there's so many non-cartridge based rules already in place to make the game fun to play in the 1st place and I'm not a fan of the hypocrisy ❤🍰
@thestonedgeek89284 ай бұрын
It sounds like you are a fan of crying in public because you are bad at a kids game.
@doxxblood3 ай бұрын
Rework sleep to function how it does in other RPG’s. The user stays asleep for a set amount of turns until it’s attacked, at which point it wakes up guaranteed. This would make sleep much more valuable for attempting to setup or, in doubles, hunt down a single target. You could even use speed to play around this, having a target slept by a faster Pokemon, then hit by a slow doubles partner to wake the opponent up in a single turn, basically stealing their turn. But it would be kinda balanced bc in that entire turn damage is only applied by a single Pokemon. Idk I think it would be a fun way to rework it.
@monkeykingw4 ай бұрын
Man, Gen 9 has been the most ban happy generation
@TheAweDude14 ай бұрын
Sleep is so annoying that on one of my Gen 3 teams, I actually run Early Bird on Houndoom, just because every Gengar it would try to trap would just use Hypnosis and then switch to TTar.
@FMBeelz4 ай бұрын
They banned sleep but stealth rock is legal?
@grunkleg.31104 ай бұрын
There are so many ways to play around Rocks. Including an entire item that counters them
@TyrantWesker4 ай бұрын
@@grunkleg.3110 An item that only came into existence fairly recently, but they've been cool with Stealth Rock invalidating a number of otherwise good Pokemon for decades. Pretty sure the only reason they didn't ban it in prior gens is because Smogon is run by people who abuse Stealth Rock on their teams.
@sptflcrw85834 ай бұрын
Bruh what?
@sptflcrw85834 ай бұрын
@@TyrantWesker what a ridiculous take
@librathebeautifulwarmonk12834 ай бұрын
Stealth Rock isn't an auto lose button that's why lol