Defensive Pokemon Ruined by Their Typing

There's a lot of Pokemon that would be good if they dropped their second typing. Also you should totally check out @MoxieBoosted #pokemon #pokemonscarletandviolet #pokemonshowdown
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
3:10 - The Ice Type
8:07 - Rock/Steel Types
11:34 - Rock/Ground Types
14:01 - Shuckle
16:02 - Wo-Chien
18:52 - Outro
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Battle! Terapagos - Indigo Disk OST
Route 216 (Day) - Diamond & Pearl OST
Vs. Deoxys - Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire OST
Poke Cup Battle - Pokemon Stadium 2 OST
Old Chataeu - Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl OST
Castelia City - Black & White OST
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VFX Intro By Ryan Gonzales
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[@FalseSwipeGaming]

I can't believe we forgot H-Avalugg...oh well LMAO

[@KonkyDonk]

A forgettable form on a forgettable pokemon. Honestly deserved for being so irrelevant.

[@MetalSam25]

It's so forgettable, I dont blame ya

[@chaosgallade2331]

Hisuian Avalugg is a regional forme done wrong. The Speed boost did nothing and Ice/Rock is just as bad as pure Ice even with the added resistances.

[@SomeAsian]

RIP

[@metayoshi1712]

quad weak to steel and fighting is just major oofs. aggron/bastiodon suffers from quad fighting and ground weaknesses. Alolan Sandslash had a quad weakness to both Fire and Fighting.

[@MoxieBoosted]

Wo-Chien, my beloved...

[@JP-bn9dn]

I POPPED when I heard your voice, love the crossover

[@RuggedRing]

Live Wo-Chien Reaction

[@cdsbeo5747]

@@JP-bn9dnthe two best comp poketubers in one video, my life’s goal has been reached

[@Abdus_VGC]

I too love Wo Chien, I got great success while living in and competing in India with a Flutter Mane, Galarian Zapdos, Wo Chien, Incineroar, Ogerpon Cornerstone and Suicune stall team

[@thagumaster1]

@@JP-bn9dnit’s funny cause I get all these Pokémon channels mixed up anyways

[@FarCritical]

Regular Aggron: *cries in two 4x weaknesses* Mega Aggron: CAN'T OUTSTALL THE WALL

[@bg8561]

THE WALL!

[@DarkSymphony777]

NO ONE ON EARTH CAN MAKE YOU FALL

[@cerdic6586]

Not funny

[@gregorymirabella1423]

Only if it has wish support.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@@cerdic6586 It's a reference, you don't need to be rude.

[@silverrey7379]

1:29 seeing Serperior's Leaf Storm dropping its special attack is one of the most cursed things I've seen all day

[@athan13590]

Non-contrary serperior is ironically contrarian

[@eenpersoon2881]

I almost forgot that was even possible

[@frediemelperenaxiii235]

It feels like a crime

[@Asm0d3u5]

I was shocked

[@misteral9045]

​@@athan13590Wow, a pun and the correct use of irony. That was a good one, I came dangerously close to laughing.

[@doug-goat]

Alternate title: How hisuian avalugg’s typing ruins its defensive utility

[@ONLY_RR7]

Crazy how they somehow managed to give Avalugg a worse defensive typing than pure ice

[@Ben-jl2rh]

Thankfully Terrastalize exists

[@Idiotden]

unironically they did him so dirty. I looove regular avalugg, so I was super hype, but noooo they had to add ROCK TYPE.

[@nthequation5677]

Why god hates you - The Gamefreak Theorem

[@eLite-Tiss91]

Ice is crappy defense type anyway

[@i.c.2552]

Ice type: Agressive, effective against four types, weak against other four and only resists itself. Meant to be a glass cannon Most ice type Pokémon: slow and defensive I don't see any problem here

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

Glaceon is at least decent offensive pokemon, sadly due to it being eeveelution, it gets hold back and is weaker from it.

[@CelerisXIV]

Neither does game freak

[@nablamakabama488]

That’s the problem with rock and ice types. They try to be tanks way too often, but they have terrible defensive match ups.

[@firstsunrise8759]

@@nablamakabama488 Rock is at least okay in the way it resists Fire, Normal, Flying, etc. and isn't weak to Stealth Rock.. Ice on the other hand is the most terrible defensively

[@Justapikachu577]

@@nablamakabama488 rock is designed originally to be defensive and to this day has a great mix of defensive and offensive opinions. Ice was never meant to be defensive so it's baffling that Game Freak keeps trying to nake it defensive. Snow helps sure but snow is better for keeping the glass canons alive!

[@oktusprime3637]

Glad that we got the usual narrator. Was afraid it'd be a different one but it's the same beloved narrator we've had for years in almost every episode.

[@booradley6832]

It was strange that he mentioned it was the usual narrator, since it clearly was and nobody was questioning it.

[@nousername191]

@@booradley6832 Maybe he had a cold and was afraid his voice would sound different. No need though, same ole voice.

[@RandalfElVikingo]

Both suck, at least this one does not do the virgin jokes.

[@Poopoocachoo]

@@RandalfElVikingookay virgin

[@IamSaralinka]

@@nousername191Such dedication he has to his work. Good on you Mox-I mean Kellen 😊

[@SkylordBaoBao]

I actually laughed out loud when I saw Moxie had dedicated a whole section of the video to Wo-Chien because of course he would

[@theskullboy8700]

Moxie: have you ever heard the tragedy of darth wo Chien the wise

[@westleywoollard5832]

I listen to both FSG and MB while cleaning and fully didnt realize it wasnt the usual voice

[@noah_of_babylon]

It is the usual voice wym

[@danielthemangrande]

@@noah_of_babylon it's like 1 or 2 whole octaves deeper, same person doing the voice but it's deeper.

[@MacAnters]

​@@danielthemangrandewym you're clearly gaslighting us. It's the normal narrator?!

[@paulmann8570]

To be fair to Cloyster, that Ice-Type went from being the thing that held it back to one of the things that kept it rolling for as long as it did the moment Gen 5 hit.

[@ethanmacdonald8568]

Skill link icicle spear go brrrrrr

[@Zeppongola]

IIRC it was also genuinely a boon in gen 1, where freeze-fishing was very common and immunity to it was an excellent trait, as was resisting the 90% accuracy blizzards, and Ice's weaknesses were basically non-existent in the format

[@Jw87563]

​@@ZeppongolaTrue. Fighting was crap because psychic was so busted, and rock slide wasn't that widespread, IIRC.

[@Zeppongola]

@@Jw87563 Yep. Plus fighting moves were pretty awful in general (I think the best one available to anything other than hitmonlee was submission), steel wasn't a thing yet, and the only halfway common fire attacks in the format came from the rare Moltres. I think the only gen 1 OU 'mon that usually ran rock slide was Rhydon (and golem, before it got phased out. Snorlax can learn it too, but I think you'd be sacrificing more critical moves for it)... who takes 4x damage from water, meaning it is 2-shot by _clamp_ of all things- which also stops it retaliating since its a gen-1 trapping move- and is very unlikely to even do 50%+ with rock slide in return, _and_ is outsped by Cloyster

[@Knirrax]

I was about to say something.I love my skill link cloister

[@MyRealAlias]

A moxie and a false swipe video? More for me

[@mr.lantern1111]

This guy. This guy gets it.

[@millevilleniven]

true

[@danixg770]

Y E S

[@iminmisery437]

Ironic since you can’t get a moxie boost using false swipe

[@Chaos_Contingency]

Hearing MoxieBoosted talking about Smogon OU instead of VGC feels so funny to me

[@bettyunicorn6132]

I love it.

[@RFE812]

That’s the April Fools joke.

[@darkjackl999]

Never forget Aurorus I wanted to use it so badly but it was so bad i couldn't bring myself to keep using it IN A REGULAR POKEMON PLAYTHROUGH

[@iBenjamin1000]

do it anyway. I did it's a cool pokemon

[@kintaro1851]

You can use almost everything in a playthrough. I use a Magcargo in my current HG run. It might not be good at tanking special attacks, but it wrecks everything with it's choice specs attacks

[@wailmerwithinternetaccess7934]

​@@iBenjamin1000 it's Ice-type ofc it's cool 🙃

[@sinayams]

Same, I used during my first XY run and I boxed it almost immediately it was so weak

[@PKMN649]

I love that most of the video is just saying "adding Rock to basically anything makes them immediately much worse."

[@victory8928]

Defensively anyhow. Offensively they became stronger

[@rossthemoss6827]

@@victory8928 Except for probably electric and rock - rock doesn’t help it against its main road block in ground - and rock is generally a physical typing while electric is special meaning you are going have subpar stabs depending if your physical or special

[@noukan42]

Imagine rock/normal blissey in the sand tho...

[@goGothitaLOL]

@@rossthemoss6827I would a argue a special one would be better, simply because Power Gem doesn’t fucking miss Only slightly tho

[@melvv18]

Rock seem to lack synergy with most types, except for maybe grass.

[@Tarudizer]

Can I just say, it is the WEIRDEST thing to me that a ROCK and STEEL pokemon is considered "weak defensively". That just does not compute in my brain, it should be the most defensive pokemon in existence

[@teddyhaines6613]

It's a lot easier to stomach once you accept that Rock is a bad defensive typing on top of having anti-synergy with Steel.

[@pedrodarosamello64]

Making rock the second worst defensive type was one of the choices of all time.

[@lilharm]

think about it like this rocks and steel are durable in real life, but they can still be damaged by pickaxes, explosives, and other things designed to do so so it’s not weak because it’s fragile, it’s weak because more things are available that can break it

[@tidalgrunt6549]

Rock is weak because it's brittle. But it makes sharp edges in a lot of cases which is why it stabs good.

[@kevinbell5674]

I never understood why rock is weak against grass. Realistically, it should be the other way around. No grass is gonna grow where there is a big ass boulder.

[@FirstLastname604]

Idk how popular this take is, but guest narrators are awesome and should be used WAY more often than April fools day

[@NightSkyNyx]

Agreed, I was pleasantly surprised to see TierZoo as a guest narrator for the Tropius video since he’s probably my favorite KZbinr at the moment but also hella unexpected since he does zoological videos lol. Hopefully we can get more guest narrators in the future as well (Jimothy Cool, Finchinator, Freezai, and maybe even Pinkacross are ones I’d like to see lol)

[@bettyunicorn6132]

@@NightSkyNyx I thinking Reverent, Plauge von Karma and Big Yellow too. You know some of the big RBY KZbinrs.

[@Matpit18]

Wouldn’t be a Competitive Pokémon Discussion video with MoxieBoosted without him bringing up Wo-Chien

[@xxcridonxx7614]

Wo chien live reaction

[@Jw87563]

Don't forget Brian Hands.

[@TheHero136]

A Pokémon I wanna mention is Armaldo. With bug rock typing you have barely any resists and a lot of neutralities. Neutral to fire, ground, fighting, grass, flying, ice, dragon, fairy, electric, psychic, bug, ghost and dark. Weak to steel, water and rock. And the only resist you have is normal. With no reliable recovery and poor speed is it any wonder why Armaldo (and Crustle) for that matter are low tier garbage nowadays? The one who is decent, Kleavor, is good in spite of its typing.

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

Ice type should resist Flying. • Ice needs a defensive buff. • This isn't a big nerf to Flying offensively. • It thematically makes sense. Strong winds just make the cold harsher, and for most birds the act of pecking ice is ineffective.

[@alejandrobernard3828]

I agree, I think you could easily justify adding water and dragon to that list too.

[@RasenShot]

​@@alejandrobernard3828 Water I absolutely agree and I have been thinking this for years, but I don't know about resisting Dragon.

[@alejandrobernard3828]

@@RasenShot I put dragon cause lizards move slower when cold, so I feel I makes sense. In terms of game balance though, it probably would be a bad idea.

[@Endershock1678]

@@alejandrobernard3828 VGC player here, we don’t need a defensively competent ice type. Snow and Veil are already crazy with Ice having no meaningful resists, I can agree with ice resisting flying, but anything else would be make the typing actually pretty scary, especially with mons like Baxcalibur and Chien Pao running around.

[@goGothitaLOL]

@@Endershock1678the likes of Bax and Chien-Pao is a power creep problem, not a Ice-type problem And how would you feel about a defensively competent Rock-type?

[@thecod2345]

I will always have beef with Gamefreak for making Aggron so impossibly cool in every way, giving it a great learnset, and solid abilities, just for it to be borderline useless because of its 2 4x weaknesses

[@benross9174]

Aggron isnt bad, he just has bad MUs. If you learn the meta/tier he is in he can be really good.

[@gengarzilla1685]

Mega Aggron dropping Rock and being a better tank for it will never not be funny.

[@baxterbruce9827]

What was ever the point.of giving intended tanky Pokemon such intentionally bad typings? Like, they don't even always need GOOD typings (Aggron would STILL probably be better than it is now as a pure Rock not even a pure steel), but just... Don't make the typing like shooting them in the face

[@vermillion6159]

​@@baxterbruce9827 I think GameFreak just didn't think the relation between themes/concepts and actual type relations through. Think about it, whenever there's a monster in any piece of fictional media that has rock skin, wears armor or anything like that, its depicted as being super bulky, which makes sense given how sturdy these materials are in real life. Sounds all fine on paper. But in practice, that concept falls apart since the many weaknesses of rock types can be justified just as easily, and pairing it with steel makes it even weaker to fighting type moves. But I don't care, I'm still gonna use Aggron whenever it's available in a mainline game again. Even if it's not the best

[@jeremytorres5622]

And still being hindered by no recovery and can't even hold leftover's ​@@gengarzilla1685

[@mavriiick]

I like how you can tell when the writing switches from FSG to Moxie's whenever it switches from singles discussion to doubles. Cool touch that they wrote their respective sections.

[@TheAweDude1]

This is actually one of the reasons I like Pokemon's typing system so much. Each type has an offensive and defensive identity that has actual implications for teambuilding. Some other games just have symmetrical or circular type systems. Or, like with SMT, each individual monster has their own, unique, defensive profiles.

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Bringing this up for the 100th time this month, but Game Freak should bring back the type effectiveness model they introduced in Legends: Arceus. As in, all 4x weaknesses become 2.5x multipliers instead. This won't drag every single mon plagued with quad weaknesses out from irrelevance, but it sure would help a good number of them. Rhyperior and Golem no longer die to Water and Grass moves, Aggron could actually attempt to wall in a meta with rampant Fighting/Ground moves flying around, and Articuno, Moltres, Charizard, and every Bug/Flying type ever won't get insta-gibbed by the Edge. Fun fact: Rhyperior, Camerupt, Carracosta, and Revavroom would actually take less than 2x damage from double weaknesses under this change due to their abilities.

[@cradiculous]

And while they're at it, get rid of freezing and bring in Frostbite. Freeze status is such an archaic mechanic.

[@goGothitaLOL]

What about the likes of Heatran, Gyarados, Pelipper, Volcarona, Landorus-T, Dragonite, Garchomp, Kingambit, Chien-Pao, Urshifu (Single-Strike), Calyrex (Shadow-Rider), Koraidon, Scizor, and Ferrothorn?

[@mr.penguindrewmateo8146]

Wait, 2.5x weakness multipliers are a thing in Legends Arceus, how come I never hear anyone talk about this?

[@alexandros5412]

nah that would make pokemon like bastiodon or ferrothorn too strong with their defenses

[@Omar_ZX]

That thumbnail is safe to say very fitting

[@gengarzilla1685]

It will never not be strange how a Rock specialist like Brock will go on about "rock hard defense" when Rock is actually just a terrible defensive type. Go on the offensive, my dude, that's what your preferred type is good at!

[@baxterbruce9827]

In fairness, pure Rock isn't TERRIBLE defensively, it's just near constantly given antisynergistic pairs that give at least one compound weakness, making it LOOK worse than it is

[@june9914]

Balancing around normal types sure is a design decision of all time

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@june9914 You're giving me flashbacks to trying to play Gen 1 and multiple non-Normal type Pokemon having no offensive moves that weren't Normal Like, Scyther didn't even have Wing Attack until Yellow

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

​@baxterbruce9827 .............That's just dead wrong. As far as defensive types are concerned, having 5 weaknesses is already far from ideal to begin with, but at the very worst 4 of those types are good in some way, with fighting and ground being strong offensively in part to being able to hit 5 types super-effectively each, including notably the steel type for each. Water and steel are also both strong, staple types, so that's bad, too, given how commonly those 2 are seen because their typing makes them go from good to great more often than not. Even grass isn't a type you want to be weak to with things like Ferrothorn and Rillaboom running around in singles and doubles, respectively, and rock types are weak to at least a few of these examples, hence why it was featured multiple times in this video on various Pokemon. The example that kept being brought up for how good a rock type could be defensively being Regirock is only able to make it work by the virtue of it's defensive stats being so high on both ends, letting it take hits a lot better than you'd probably expect a Pokemon with such a large number of weaknesses. As for what rock brings to the table defensively that's actually valuable is mostly it's resistances to fire and flying, as poison isn't good outside of being strong versus fairy types, and normal not hitting anything for super effective damage; past that, having a special defense boost in a sandstorm is nice, but for something like Tyranitar most notably, it's this trait alongside it's solid bulk that give it the most mileage and any sort of defensive niche, and even then, it's largely Tyranitar's ability to set up sandstorm that helps it to enable the rest of it's team that gives it value most consistently when coupled with the movepool it gets. While rock does get a lot of type combinations that make it's weaknesses worse than they already are, that's in no small part because rock is a type that is quite flawed defensively to begin with, similar to how ice and normal don't add that much of value in the same regard when paired with other types

[@skeetermania3202]

In the interest of fairness, that early in the game where there are usually only Normal, Poison, and Flying Pokémon, Rock is pretty “rock hard” (amirght).

[@MrKibitt]

Serperior not having contrary at 1:20 is hilarious.

[@victory8928]

Worry seed be like. I don’t know if that ferra was using worry seed?

[@DrowzeeVEVO]

This video was made by Bastiodon bruh 💀

[@phatnana2379]

Naw... Bastiodon would be like "hey, you need BIG defensive stats on your team... Typing isn't as important as Toxapex would let you believe"

[@magdalenomartinezjr8805]

And edited by Aurorus, written by Golem and researched by Articuno

[@onecell5674]

​@@magdalenomartinezjr8805to be fair to golem it isn't really ever used for its defense stat

[@obichukwu9093]

It would also be written by Milotic and Blissey.

[@garethlamb6923]

I love the Aggron line, but the two quad weaknesses really bring them down.

[@1stCallipostle]

The real joke here is pretending Rock itself isn't a terrible defensive typing.

[@determineddaaf3]

True, it's not great.

[@isidorodaviddoro1920]

Exactly and the funny thing is that there aren't a bunch of fast rock type Pokemon that actually work as sweepers,steel types are basically a improvement Over rock types thus i see no reason no use them.

[@Darkmagecurt]

​@@isidorodaviddoro1920I can only think of aerodactyl

[@isidorodaviddoro1920]

@@Darkmagecurt yup Aerodactyl is way too fast and can basically become a ice/flying and fire type killer,he even has a ability that makes him immune to recoil damage so you get Stab Brave bird and head smash without losing HP. Putting him aside maybe rockruff and it's s evolutions?

[@Darkmagecurt]

@@isidorodaviddoro1920 I love aerodactyl they should've made him rock dragon just like charizard should've been dragon

[@DOYOUNOTHEWAY]

The moment i saw that title i knew my boy wo chien was gonna make an apperence and as moxie said it before "pls dont make me confront my demons".

[@SemiHypercube]

It's funny how the Steel/Rock combo (being both things known for their hardness) actually ends up being one of the worst defensive types competitively

[@1stCallipostle]

Rock is a horrible defensive typing in general. Third worst, after Ice and Bug. It's an offensively great typing, always saddled with defensive Pokemon and mediocre moves.

[@saltator8565]

@@1stCallipostle Being an offensive Rock Type with an accurate STAB move is a blessing. Just look at Iron Boulder.

[@Endershock1678]

@@saltator8565 Who is UU now lol

[@terraria_ranger4887]

​@@1stCallipostlebug is better defensively than rock is. Fighting and Ground are both very great to have as resists and Flying isn't that bad a type to be weak to. Meanwhile, Rock defensively... it has 5 weaknesses, including the aformentioned Fighting and Ground. Its 4 resists would be nice to compensate, if not for the fact that half of them are to *normal and poison*.

[@yeet8036]

It's still good in ou,it's just only usable on ho ​@@Endershock1678

[@zaleww5824]

With mega aggron turns into pure steel with filter plus with z-a he will probably learn body press to crush everythimg with that insane def. He will be prettu useful for sure

[@avch1209]

Bastiodon and Rampardos remind us that just because they have a ridiculously big statistic they are not going to be good Pokémon.

[@TheDougio]

Can I just say, I absolutely love this style of thumbnail that you guys make

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

8:10 Imagine a Rock/Ground Pokémon with Water Absorb? Like you bring some WATER Pokémon to a rock or ground gym and their ace just devours all the WATER you throw at it?

[@RevvySD]

Having moxie has a narrator was a very cool and welcomed surprise

[@specs.weedle]

poor Aggron it’s been two generations for it where it hasn’t been able to bypass its otherwise bad defensive typing and it’s insulting how it still isn’t in gen 9 despite it being very well suited to utilize terastallization

[@MirageIslander]

at least it got a mega that fixed it for a short time aurorus has nothing :(

[@romulolopes6564]

Aggron makes me sad not only because the type combination is bad, but also because it wasn't a pseudolegendary, I looked at him and said, that is Tyranitar counter part. But no it is only a very cool looking pokemon that got shafted. What doesn't stop me from putting him in my team every time I played Ruby

[@specs.weedle]

the insulting thing is that it has every single quality needed to qualify for pseudo legendary status EXCEPT base stat total. it could really benefit from having those 70 missing base stat points put into literally anything that isn’t special attack or its already extremely high defense

[@mr.lantern1111]

This is your best thumbnail so far.

[@Rat_King1001]

I wish more content creators would do this kind of April Fools joke. I love when another creator hosts for a channel

[@tyeus3673]

Marcus has a perfect voice for recording videos, being born better than others goes so hard 🔥

[@amaurystengel]

It's funny when you realize that some types that commonly have slow Pokemon also have many weaknesses. Ice is weak to Fire, Rock, Fighting and Steel; and Rock, even though it sounds like a solid type, has five weaknesses (Water, Grass, Fighting, Ground and Steel)! Maybe if these types offered more resistances, their defensive Pokemon could be more viable.

[@Avianar80]

I deadass had to double check which channel I was watching. Super happy to see you on here Moxie!

[@Borax_Sensei]

FSG thank you for uploading so much you have helped me mentally and physically I finally started to love myself and I stopped biting myself now because of your videos.

[@Fr0stySn00ze]

In gen 1, Rock + Ground was actually great. Grass & fighting moves were sparse and not very powerful, so it was really only water & ice types that you had to worry about. Plus you could essentially hard-wall any electric type not named Raichu due to their limited movepools.

[@1stCallipostle]

You seem to forget that gen 1 is gen 1. Everyone and their mother has 90% accurate Blizzard. Rhydon is in the top 10 of viability, yes. But it's not really walling. Also every grass type has auto-crit razor leaf against the terrible Special stat of all the Rock/Grounds.

[@skeetermania3202]

@@1stCallipostle They also completely wall Zapdos and can switch into Hyper Beam.

[@Fr0stySn00ze]

@@1stCallipostle 1) ...I didn't forget? That's why I said that Ice and Water are the attacks you have to worry about. So basically Tauros & Starmie, with Cloyster & Slowbro being slightly less common. Lapras, Persian, and Articuno are pretty rare, but also notable. You aren't going to be switching in on those, but the thing is they are more than likely going to have to switch in on YOU, which sucks for them most of the time. 2) I said they wall *electric types* not named Raichu, not "wall any type". In fact they wall electrics such as Zapdos & Jolteon so well and are usually so strong power and coverage-wise that they easily force switches, which is a huge pain for your opponent. No one (not even their Blizzard-spamming checks) wants to come into a neutral STAB EQ or RS from Rhydon's 130 ATK, nor do they want to switch into Golem's Explosion. It's mainly why Rhydon runs Substitute so it can determine the right move to knock the opponent with after the switch. 3) "Every grass type has auto-crit razor leaf". Your last point is wrong. Eggy doesn't get it, Parasect doesn't get it, Tangela doesn't get it, and Vileplume only gets it from Tradebacks which are illegal. Only Venasaur and Victreebell get Razor Leaf in gen 1. Neither of which are very good in OU or even UU (they are currently wallowing in NU), and why beyond Eggy (which is great due to explosion, high special, & the psychic typing), grass types in gen 1 are pretty bad. Almost all of them have to rely on Mega Drain which has 40 base power and is useless outside of hitting rocks. Sometimes Eggy doesn't even run it due to using Psychic which does the job fine. Due to their ability to tank normal hits (especially predicted booms and Hyper Beam's), both walling/forcing switches 100% of the time against electrics bar Raichu, and being able to hit super hard back with their Quake-Slide coverage, Rock+Ground is a great type combo in gen 1. They're essentially THE Electric type answer.

[@mrtheminecraftminer1]

YOOOO MOXIE!!!!

[@tbone6032]

I hit 1800 in OU with aggron last gen. Metal burst sturdy with stealth rocks and the option to hit a massive custap berry headsmash is kind of fun

[@level99pidgey97]

The cross over episode I didn’t know I needed!

[@sluggknight7130]

wo chien's problems would be solved if it were a dark poison type

[@joshuakim5240]

One thing i've noticed is that a lot badly typed defensive mons have over time become "counterattack" mons instead via Metal Burst, Foul Play, and Body Press access. Gamefreak itself has realized how unusable these mons are at defense due to how garbage their typing is for that role so they retconned them into slow counter-offense mons instead, which really aren't much better since it's not hard to work around these.

[@baxterbruce9827]

What was even the goal of giving such bad typings anyway? It's a genuinely baffling move Like, wouldn't you want a defensively specced Mon to at least not have a typing that hurts it?

[@ryanvandoren1519]

It aint much, but its honest work.

[@KeDe1606]

@@baxterbruce9827you could argue that, in the earlier gens (3-4), with mons like Aggron, Bastiodon, and especially the Regis, it’s just a case of them prioritizing the „theme“ over competitive viability. The competitive scene was nowhere near as big/influential as it is today, so the fact that Rock and Ice are arguably the two worst defensive types in the game didn’t really matter all that much. They *sounded* like they would be incredible, defensively speaking, and that’s all they cared about. That excuse doesn’t fly for current mons like the two Avaluggs (but especially the Hisuian version), Auroras, Klawf and Wo-Chien though. No clue what happened there

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@KeDe1606 I don't even see much that tells me rock for Aggron though, I see more just for Steel, maybe like, Steel/Fighting (And how cool would THAT be?)

[@KeDe1606]

@@baxterbruce9827according to another comment here, the rock typing is apparently supposed to represent unrefined iron ore, which then gets refined after mega evolving (hence the removal of the rock type). Or, again, it’s just that rock seems like a „hard and strong“ type, befitting of a „hard and strong“ Pokémon. And yeah, having it be a steel + fighting mon does sound awesome, even if it’s still not that great of a defensive typing. Especially considering that the only steel + fighting types we have now are… pretty mediocre. Lucario, Cobalion and Zamazenta. What a… motley crew, that bunch

[@foundthenlost904]

I've been waiting ever since the Gholdengo Theorem for this collab. What a usually good video

[@sagacious03]

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading! Personally, my mind had been on Magcargo for this. Honestly, the video talks about Rock type like it's a good defensive type, but is it? Also, what about the Grass or Psychic types?

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Seeing Serperior lose SpA from Leaf Storm in gen 7 is really cursed

[@MrFlame-zk5cy]

I'm surprised you guys didn't talk about the amazing "improvements" made by hisuian avalugg

[@iantaakalla8180]

Honestly, I think that speaks the loudest. Hisuian Avalugg exists to look cinematic for a Noble Battle and that’s it.

[@double2254]

Awesome seeing the avalug theorem, would love to see the reverse with offensive Pokémon excelling because of their typing, either offensively or defensively

[@jazzercise300]

I play singles, mostly ADV OU, but the 4 ice move, choice specs articuno behind aurora veil and snow is insane and thematic. Feels like a pokemon a in game gym leader would use. One of the coolest strategies ive ever seen no pun intended. In ADV all articuno does for me is heal bell support and swampert check. Makes a great SpDef core along with Hariyama and Flygon. Kind of a fun, alternative defensive core when you get tired of SkarmBliss. Edit: wo chien makes me sad too

[@theantibulliranger1580]

Hurts to see my favorite pokemon on the thumbnail. It’s fine though, the multiple quad weaknesses are there to balance how badass Aggron’s design is.

[@baxterbruce9827]

The Aggron Theorem? Avalugg Theorem? Hisuian Avalugg Theorem? Articuno Theorem (Actually, maybe that one is "Why Legendaries aren't necessarily good")?

[@flyingoctopus4304]

Bastiodon Theorem seems the most obvious pick here, especially since we already have a Rampardos Theorem. Edit; O wait, forgot we already have that one, Aggron Theorem is probably best since it's Mega Evo shows exactly why.

[@ed765super]

Huzzah! Mox Swipe Gaming is back!

[@hug-the-raccoon]

It's crazy that I found Moxie a couple months prior, and now you're collabing.

[@vanillagorillaog]

If this was a trial for a new narrarator, they're very good 👍

[@MoxieBoosted]

Nah just a collab

[@freynaise]

Nemona thumbnail 10/10

[@TehDompie]

I forgot this was a FSG vid until the end lol wow

[@larrywoolfolk8224]

It's also interesting to hear about gen 1 and gen 2 competitive, especially since it's all retroactive as anyone who was old enough to comprehend pokemon at the competitive level we know now when gen 1/2 where brand new probably long stopped playing pokemon before it became as big as it did or out grew it.

[@arnae9532]

Saying Normal is a bad defensive typing because it only has a single immunity seems a bit wrong. The intro has an emphasis on resistances when clearly weaknesses are also important. The video precisely shows Steel/Rock, which has more resistances than most other type combinations but is ruined by its weaknesses. Other pokemon like Snorlax and Porygon 2 have succeeded in certain metagames thanks to only having a single weakness. If you needed an example of an exception that has some defensive capabilities despite a bad typing, i would say Tyranitar, Garganacl or Avalugg are better examples than Blissey

[@Goldeneye3336]

No, lax succeeded as setup or sweeper. P2 always succeeds on Trick Room team thanks to eviolite. Typing is not why you pick them. You have ot judge the whole kit.

[@arnae9532]

@@Goldeneye3336 They both need to be able to take hits well enough in order to function. In doubles overly defensive playstyles don't work, so having a good defensive typing serves as an enabler for a more persistent attacker or a more reliable utility role. In previous gen singles, middle tiers like NU-UU, would often have bulky normal types as viable options. You don't see this that often with actual bad types like rock. Normal on its own is horrible offensively, but is a usable defensive type.

[@Goldeneye3336]

@@arnae9532 You lost me at overly defensive playstyle not working in Doubles. I can't think you're serious past this statement sorry. Bad player mentality and it's okay. room for everyone in Pokemon, just not for you in competitive.

[@cv7368]

I feel like Gamefreak keeps trying to balance pokemon with good defense stats by giving them terrible typings, but don't realize that typing is pretty much the only thing that matters when being defensive. Quagsire and Swampert don't have amazing stats but are great walls because they have good typings.

[@BlackBeartic229]

It's gotta be fate that I didn't recognize Marcos's voice til exactly Wochien was talked about. And yes, i was looking away at the beginning when his icon appeared so i missed it LOL Awesome video though

[@zacharyseiders5793]

The big thing Articuno has in a snow team, that the others can't do, is the Snow Cloak. In addition to every other buff. Because if they can't hit you, you don't got to tank the flames.

[@hen883]

This narrator is pretty cool he should make a yt channel and bring wo chien to every regional

[@abraham-kun4144]

Aggron being a Rock-type doesn't make sense because he has no rock parts on his body, and his mega fixed that removing the non-sensical Rock-type, in Gen 8, it's expected to remove the Rock typing, but it didn't.

[@joshuakim5240]

The Rock typing is meant to a reference to iron ore, and its mega evolution "refines" the ore into pure Steel. It still absolutely screws over Aggron but there is at least some thematic premise for screwing it over.

[@abraham-kun4144]

@@joshuakim5240 No, it doesn't, because if the Rock-typing was removed, actually it improved greatly his viability as a offensive tanker.

[@KeDe1606]

⁠@@abraham-kun4144(they meant that the partial rock typing was screwing it over, not it‘s removal)

[@CTback]

Ground/Steel 4 weaknesses (0 4x weaknesses) inc. a weakness against...ground? 1 immunity 8 resistances (1 .25 resistance) inc. a resistance against...steel?

[@skeetermania3202]

@@abraham-kun4144 Do recall that not everyone plays the game competitively.

[@Stairwayafter]

There is a pokemon fangame that grabbed every steel/rock type and changed the typing to something else. Ex. Bastidon is pure steel with buffed hp and recovery, absolutely busted wall or aggron who is now steel/dragon

[@danielmaynard239]

I think Iron Boulder's typing is really good, since it's a Rock type that is neutral to Fighting and can strike back with STAB Zen Headbutt, and it even has a *100% accurate Rock STAB*

[@gineis8105]

Fun fact in some cases you actually deal more dmg by just using a special move instead of a physical fighting move against Aggron because his def is so much higher than his sp.def

[@ladonmccabe]

Good video, and all that jazz

[@MultiWolfLink]

Aggron has been my favorite pokemon since ruby, he has and always will be my melted nuclear reactor ruined by earthquakes 😭🙏

[@dejonjanuary488]

You know when things are going crazy its nice just to have 'the usual narrator yes definitely the we always had' just for normalcy

[@johnnyp1986]

Chien-Pao has a horrible typing but is saved by its ability, speed, and attack prowess 😮‍💨

[@jessehutchings]

Thunder Wave, Iron Head, Rock Slide Focus Band + Sturdy Aggron in GEN6 is actually crazy

[@Rin_husband]

I love these guys who knows how to make funni ass thumbnails

[@rkvlegacy9206]

I could imagine when Megas return, Mega Aggron could make use of Sinistcha hospitality or even Cresselia support to heal status.

[@electricduo4802]

I have been watching Moxie and false swipe gaming a lot, I didn't realize that it was Moxie on a false swipe gaming video

[@lektornese]

Yooooo Moxie × False swipe ?? Let's go!

[@kanauso3706]

False Swipe always posting bangers.

[@lemomar]

I wasn’t expecting a Moxie jumpscare haha

[@eeeeee-nk7ts]

I got into this video thinking "Well, I've seen enough Moxie Boosted, I'm gonna watch another pokemon youtuber" just to find this ._.

[@felipearrais5415]

I didn't know this Moxie dude but his voice is really nice to listen to. Nice mix-up

[@NivramAxuf]

Rock Steel types most all have sturdy which means they can always take at least 1 hit (outside war criminals like rapid Urshifu, mold breaker, etc) and thus my favorite Aggron set is sturdy metal burst custap berry endeavor. But it's very gimmicky and can be played around in best of 3s/my friends who have had to fight it way too many times, it'll be sad if you don't lead them and they set rocks. Anyways, rock is a pretty aggressive typing and all the rock steels are very slow, but that's what made Stakataka a meta threat, he can set his own trick room and has great bulk and wide guard doesn't hurt.

[@natecgames4612]

One of my favorite things about the ice typing is that its selling point is that it's offensive capabilities threaten so many powerful pokemon in the series in general, but because the only type ice resists is ice and there are four competitively viable types that threaten ice in return, the most common thing about the ice type you see in actual competitive is ice type coverage from nonice types or ice types that get carried by a secondary type, that type never having a downside to losing the ice typing.

[@Nomz41]

A crossover episode!

[@TheMikeTrumpet]

One thing that i always thought of which would make tyranitar a lot better was that he'd be a ground dark type. I do get why is a rock type though. Fits his design way more.

[@sryberg16]

Popped-off when I heard Moxie Boosted’s voice

[@ohhi687itsme8]

The thumbnail is way too god lmao

[@MSCDonkeyKong]

10:15 I like to think that being both a rock and steel implies that in the spots where they're overlapping, there's a structural weakness that can be exploited.

[@dam777felover8]

I love how wo chien totaly outclassed the other bulky grass dark type introduced in gen 9 Brute bonnet

[@pyroli00000]

I almost had a heart attack when I heard Moxie boosted in a false swipe gaming video

[@horizonbumpy2828]

"What if you wanted a wall but GF said steel/rock" Just use a different high defense pokemon that doesn't have that typing...

[@Jaedster]

What makes this more funny is that moxie boosted made a joke about being on the wrong channel before 😂

[@justarandompurplefox3243]

I still insist bug is a slept-on defense type, especially on certain dual types like Scizor

[@baxterbruce9827]

It has a few nice matchups, and has surprisingly good synergy with Steel, but Bug's issue has always been the offensive equivalent of Steel's defense (Too many resistances), which has ALWAYS been one of its biggest issues

[@danfurtado9158]

Depends on the dual type bug steel bug water are nice. I like its offense better even if its not great. Dark and psychic are pretty useful grass is ok.

[@Ultradragon16]

15:45 I caught that reference to the legend

[@jellobread9073]

The moment you brought up Aggron, the only thing that came up to mind was "THE WALL! THE WALL! THE WALL!"