The Most Confused Flat Earther EVER

[@SciManDan]

Do you know a flat Earther who is more confused than this?

[@tietah1262]

He seems like a troll to me tbh.

[@Joyful_Traitor]

Had a friend think it for a bit but each time he brought it up I would smack him it worked eventually

[@brettwerner1413]

Your a troll. No way ur that stupid. U know what ur doing and so do some of us.

[@brettwerner1413]

Patrick Schlienger have him debate Eric then. A real debate not these set up crap by these flat earthers and globe earthers working together to get eachother views.

[@plur5ever]

the fact that flat earthers use refraction for any visual phenomena they cant explain and then say that lunar eclipses are red for a stupid reason (refraction) is so funny to me

[@rhetoricalquestion6009]

_"The Most Confused Flat Earther EVER"_ A bold claim. It's a large field with many strong contenders.

[@UnableToucan]

Many flat earthers have put in the effort to get that title

[@alecedgerly1277]

I never believe him when he says it, my rule of thumb: There’s always a dumber, more arrogant flerfer out there lmao

[@jaybear7272]

@@alecedgerly1277 unless he says it about Nathan Thompson, in which case he may be right...

[@JGM0JGM]

@@jaybear7272 Unless you think that an egg in a saline solution disproves gravity.... that's new level of dumb... Anthony Riley, winner of the coveted Dumbest Flerfer of the Year award!

[@netkat7486]

@@jaybear7272 Nathan Thompson Vs Dan Pratt. The ultimate flerf fight.

[@Lycan_24_7]

I am surprised he didn't look at the diagram and think we had 5 moons

[@deathgun5925]

Shoutout to that one working braincell, It's overworked to hell and underpaid, but it's doing its job so he could figure that much out.

[@C_Becker]

Or that he never saw wavy lines coming from the sun.

[@sCealt]

or a big red halo with the word "Umbra" written in it, floating next to the earth

[@ericb3157]

oh, i know of a flat-earther who looked at a diagram explaining moon PHASES and thought it was saying that there are EIGHT moons!

[@insertnamehere9180]

Or the moon moves vertically.

[@mikkelnpetersen]

"I don't understand science, so it's wrong" - Flat earthers in a nutshell

[@michaelburk9171]

Apparently 'its dumb'.

[@Mega_Mikey]

You know somebody is doing proper science when they talk about the satanic angles

[@kenbee1957]

I had to pause and laugh helplessly and uncontrollably

[@helenr4300]

What is evil about 66? I thought it was 666 or 616. Yet all these conspiracies freak out at any 6.

[@andybrace9225]

@@helenr4300 66 is the number code of Satan!

[@7th-derp41]

@@helenr4300 They freak out at literally every number that there is.

[@blowc1612]

What's hilarious is because it's 2/3s.

[@Sl1c3r7]

"This graph isn't to scale, why don't they make it to scale? THEY ARE LYING TO US" 10 minutes later... "I made this graph to scale... you can't even see the earth and moon at this scale..."

[@Philwingham]

And his scale wasn’t even correct. 😅

[@ross-carlson]

My favorite - "satanic angles" WHAT THE FUCK is that? Fuck. Me.

[@MargaritaOnTheRox]

@@ross-carlson It's because if you subtract the rotation number of 23.4 from 90 (parallel) you get 66.6. LMAO Did you not catch how that's obviously a satanic angle?

[@alecedgerly1277]

The moment he said “satanic angles” I knew we were in for a well thought out and intelligent rebuttal 😆

[@Sl1c3r7]

@@ross-carlson Honestly, I expected him to pull out the sigil of lucifer and be like "Look, these lines look kinda similar. 100% PROOF NASA IS SATANIC!"

[@Vessekx]

Personally I love how he literally pointed out that he knew the initial diagram wasn’t to scale, and then proceeded to devoted his entire argument to claiming a ‘win’ by demonstrating that it couldn’t be to scale.

[@nightmareTomek]

That was his whole point? To prove the diagram isn't up to scale?

[@anyaarvidsson3038]

"They say their diagram isn't to scale, and they're right, so i Win!" // Mr. Thrive

[@M1Garand06]

He's an arrogant, oily, lying pos with an inability to think in 3d. The perfect kind of jerk to point and laugh at

[@frankowalker4662]

He also thinks the sun is a laser. LOL.

[@mmfreshmeat2860]

@@frankowalker4662 a deadly one, at that.

[@diamondsmasher]

Thrive: “Their drawing isn’t to scale!” Also Thrive: Uses graph paper, and still can’t draw a number line to scale.

[@TearDownGenesis]

lol yeah after 40 he apparently goes by 10s instead of 5s Then back to 5s after 80

[@reubenmanzo2054]

The only mistake that was made was skipping 50 and 70.

[@TheAce12570]

@@reubenmanzo2054 Ah yes, "only", he only skipped 20 million miles, not a big deal at all!

[@moon_wobble7782]

“Let’s look at the rediculousness of all this” 🤣🤣😜😂

[@Zero_Ninety]

I'd understand if he thought the drawing was to scale, but he said himself that it wasn't to scale then proceeds to measure angles etc. How dumb can a man be?!

[@sebastiengoulet360]

i work in civil engineering as a technician and often my boss ask me to add a disclaimer that says its only a diagram and cannot be use for construction purposes. i was wondering who is stupid enough to use a diagram as a ''to scale construction plan'' now i understand why we put those kind of disclaimer watching him lol

[@phillipsusi1791]

To be fair, I would think that diagrams used in civil engineering would tend to be done to scale since they generally aren't illustrating things as massive as the solar system.

[@sebastiengoulet360]

@@phillipsusi1791 well even if its to scale this cannot be use for construction purposes, you need a proper drawing sign and seal by an engineer, diagrams are only made to show the client how it will look like.

[@Azmodon]

I produce engineered drawing sets for construction... and I still have to tag the drawings as such, and then fully dimension them, even though they are properly scaled... because the people looking at them (trades and customers alike) have no idea what 1/4" : 1'-0" or 1 : 25 mean lol

[@phillipsusi1791]

@@Azmodon Maybe I'm not following... blueprints are never in 1:1 scale... but of course, they need to be marked with correct measurements along critical dimensions and not just marked "25:1 scale, use your own ruler and math to figure it out".

[@richardredmon9016]

same people that also need instructions on their pop tarts

[@squiddler7731]

6:30 when he said that he wouldn't get into why the moon turns red specifically because the accepted scientific reason is stupid, that made me curious how flat earthers explain it. Apparently the most common theory is that it's caused by an entirely separate, third celestial body that orbits the sun, passes directly between the earth and moon during an eclipse, is transparent so that you can see the moon through it, and cannot be seen under any other circumstances except during an eclipse.

[@discodecepticon]

Well you see... God set the moon RGBLED to no Blue or Green light...

[@sufferlogan]

@@discodecepticon holy shit this might be my favorite comment

[@melsop54]

That literally sounds like they had an emergency conference call to figure out out to explain it and agreed on the first random thing someone could come up with and ended the call 5 minutes later...

[@michaelburk9171]

Flat earthers need a separate 'theory' to explain every natural phenomenon. Inventing an invisible sun isn't a stretch.

[@callumbreton8930]

Wow. And here I was thinking th Ptolemaic ellipses were the stupidest way to brush off inconsistencies within a flawed astronomy model

[@duncanmcneill7088]

I love it when a flerf describes something as “mathematically impossible” - you just know it’s going to be hilarious.

[@jnewcomb]

I wanted him to mathematically prove that 93 million miles is somehow also a calculation derivative of 666. 93/666=0.1396 which is almost the negative angle NASA claims the degree of parallel is for sunlight or something equally contrived.

[@7th-derp41]

As well as when numbers are involved, we know our good pal Satan will be there too.

[@eh9618]

When math is involved. You know flerfs are too stupid to actually have any evidence.

[@MaverickBlue42]

I had to stop when the guy started talking about Satanic angles.... I'm sorry, what? If certain angles are involved we have to invoke ungodly principals? That's not a thing in the real world, even amongst the religious......

[@Alex-iu8bx]

But why does the earth spin?

[@trailbossdan1]

He’s literally spent years trying to understand eclipses. Poor dude, just imagine how confused he gets about other more complex subjects.

[@theeleman]

... imagine being such a bad troll ... As you

[@shanematthews1985]

I think this is about as complex as he can handle and he still got this basic concept wrong

[@JamesTaylor-go8mh]

Imagine how confused he would be regarding how refrigeration works.

[@stuartgray5877]

- "just imagine how confused he gets about other more complex subjects." Like which side of a lead paint chip to eat first?

[@piershamton1492]

@@JamesTaylor-go8mh or retractable biros.

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

"Why is the sunset red?" "Ah, don't worry, it's a stupid reason" had me laughing way too hard. Take my like :D

[@NemXX2]

The "satanic angles" crack me up. Also love when he says "Their model..." like flat earthers have one.

[@Killuminati911]

xD

[@justingould2020]

They've got dozens of the buggers. None of them happen to agree, but they still have them.

[@lenskihe]

Well, they do have a model. It just turned out centuries ago that their model is crap

[@ant5389]

they have tonnes of different models, they just dont work together

[@jareddegraw8719]

The satanic angles... it makes me think of the mental gymnastics I saw a lady go though to explain how Monster Energy were a satanic organization based solely on the logo.

[@Polar1z3]

Its sad when a grown man can't do basic maths. His 'to scale' diagram which literally has boxes for him to count goes from 20 to 30 in 10 boxes then goes from 40 to 60 in the same amount of boxes making his scale completely off

[@RCarlisle94]

He missed out 70 too.

[@VariantAEC]

He gets a D- and most of that was for the effort of trying to make a scale though. We lowered the bar here... but he still couldn't clear it.

[@neilthorpe7650]

It’s worrying that some flerfers work in construction.

[@richhutchinson2934]

Lol you're right! I didn't even notice at first. Haha, omg these r flerfs are so idiotic. 🤣😂

[@cargy930]

@@RCarlisle94 At 11:20 he said he wasn't going to bother going through all of the scale numbers with us... Perhaps if he had, he'd have saved himself some embarrassment!

[@kaspermadsen4293]

"Dad, why are sunsets red?" "Don't worry about that, it's a stupid reason anyway" Made me laugh so hard !

[@theunisjansenvanrensburg5835]

Anyone notice that his 93 million mile scale is also incorrect? The distance between 40, 60 and 80 was the same as between 20, 30 and 40. Utter genius, this guy. 🤣

[@VariantAEC]

He used a computer and STILL MANAGED TO MESS IT ALL UP!

[@berandol88]

@@VariantAEC In my country we have a saying for things like this: "He can't put a nail in a turd without breaking both", i.e. he can't use simple maths without messing it up.

[@VariantAEC]

@@berandol88 Just one question... how do you break a turd?

[@bswitza]

@@VariantAEC You need more fiber

[@clem-lv2rw]

@@VariantAEC honestly to me it sounds like he's messing it up on purpose at this point.

[@neon-rust]

With flat earthers, it's April fool's day every day.

[@goldenknight578]

Hence the reason we're all going to be celebrating on FTFE's channel later today by holding the Top Left Awards. If we're lucky, someone might get slapped.

[@tarantulamadness6191]

@@goldenknight578 Bro that Rocks!

[@schlurpeh2342]

I love how he's trying to mathematically prove that the Earth is flat when he can't even draw a graph correctly.

[@JamesWilson-sg7im]

I have a question for Flat Earthers: Are you happy that the South Pole is melting and allowing us to see what's beyond the grand ice wall? New lands perhaps? Thanks again Dan for the good info.

[@atdynax]

The south pole isn't melting.

[@rennnnn914]

@@atdynax Until recently the Antarctic sea ice has been increasing (it is now decreasing), but the land ice has been decreasing at an accelerating rate.

[@Orkid_Orchid]

The best question is always can you see the north star from Australia.

[@VariantAEC]

@@rennnnn914 Too bad the land snow pack is increasing in Antarctica. If Stahlflower is a flat Earther... then he is unfortunately right about the Antarctic.

[@Ulvetann]

I have a question to flat earther's too: Are You all _this_ stupid?

[@desperadox7565]

At least he says 2 true things. 1. "I have no idea" 2. "You're not gonna believe it" 😂

[@charlesgraff2213]

I really didn't believe it 🤣

[@Neotenico]

This man isn't just denying globes, he's denying the existence of 50 and 70 as multiples of 10.

[@andyjaggi8317]

Astounding how a grown up man takes a simple graphic illustration for real! Even if the proportions are obviously not correct he puts his lines, and somehow comes to the "devils number" - pure fun to watch!

[@Nerazmus]

And he still gets it wrong, it's 666, not just 66.

[@Alex-iu8bx]

You should repast this comment on other’s that are taking his calculations seriously as well

[@DoctorZisIN]

Did you notice that the lines do not actually overlap when looking at them close, even after how comically thick he makes them? Not that it matters, but as usual bias is showing.

[@inotoff]

He must get really pissed off when buying prepared meal based on the pictures of the box.

[@zacmccracken7643]

It may be necessary to make the pictures even simpler for flers, so that even the dumbest among them can understand it.

[@JimmysALilGirl]

"Why is a sunset red?" "Don't worry, it's a stupid reason." I'll be laughing for a week thinking about that. See you next vid!

[@Sekhubara]

"Why do flat Earthers think they're right? Don't worry, it's a stupid reason".

[@JimmysALilGirl]

@@Sekhubara 👏

[@MelodicTurtleMetal]

... I'm so curious what he thinks is a good reason

[@JimmysALilGirl]

@@MelodicTurtleMetal Flat Earth, probably, 🤣

[@Dwarfurious]

I assume the COOL reason is because its satanic, red is clearly the devils color.

[@viperscrapper4308]

He sold me when he pointed out that the angle between a "parallel" line and a sun ray is 6.6 degrees. That's about as airtight as you can get. Earth must be flat.

[@stevethecatcouch6532]

"You subtract from 90, since 90 is paralell." He uses "parallel" to mean perpendicular or tangential, but never parallel. Flerfer geometry?

[@jankodes197]

Well he may be able to draw those lines in a form of a kitten as well, for he is a flearf expert.

[@romithromith]

I noticed that too. And the angle changes from 23.4° to 23.5° too.

[@RK-252]

@@jankodes197 I think you mean a satanic kitten.

[@killakanzgaming]

It's well known that flerfers just can't do geometry, it's the main reason they don't understand how anything works...

[@vaiyt]

if flerfers understood geometry they wouldn't be flerfers

[@sharkeys]

The only channel on KZbin where it could easily be April 1st with each episode. Love the videos, the hero we need :P

[@MarceldeJong]

Well, scimandan and conspiracy cats have been exposed today by Ranty on his channel Auditing The Absurd… 😁

[@sharkeys]

@@MarceldeJong OMFG I love the comments :D

[@wwerey96]

I love the numberline used for his scale. "Every box is 5 mil miles" but we start skipping whole odd numbers instead of just moving by 5.

[@simond.455]

"This random diagram is not to scale... So I'm gonna use it and perform random calculations with faulty math on it... This is pretty accurate." He doesn't even understand the things he says himself.

[@Llortnerof]

He outright told us he doesn't even know what the diagram shows. Of course this whole thing is going nowhere, he has no idea what he's even trying to debunk.

[@fomori2]

@@Llortnerof He has SUCCESSFULLY debunked any claim that he is intelligent or educated.

[@atdynax]

Funny that he only gets those number by adding lines to it.

[@berandol88]

Also, you can see that his 6.6 degrees does not match the other line exactly.

[@StephenWhitely]

If you actually take the image and measure the angles accurately, they're seven degrees exactly.

[@adamanti]

@@berandol88 dont be like that. "about parallel" for an starting point is good enough. 🙃

[@thunderflare59]

Does he bath in holy water at 6 on June 6th? Does he go to Chuck E Cheese to make sure no one is celebrating their 6th birthday? Does he only watch movies less than 66 minutes long? The world needs to know.

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

@@thunderflare59 I actually turned 13 on 6/6/06 😈😵😈

[@m.sierra5258]

11:26 I love his "to scale", labeled "10-20-30-40-60-80-90" :D :D :D I think you missed that @SciManDan

[@dtrezy5223]

And I'm still waiting for flat earthers to explain how a lunar eclipse works on a flat earth.

[@TheWombat2012]

Don’t hold your breath. I’ve been asking for ages on suggestions as to where I can go out at night and look to see Polaris. From my home here in central Queensland, Australia. Or where my nephew can look up at night to see the Southern Cross. From his home in Edinburgh, Scotland. 😁

[@Jimages_uk]

@@TheWombat2012 if you was tall enough, you would see it ;-)

[@boyracer200020001]

Maybe the moon men just put down the mirrors or turn the lights off. I don't know they make head hurt

[@shaneeslick]

🤔yeah along with how it also rises 120° South East then Sets 240° South West of Hobart, Invercargill, Santiago, Buenos Aries & Cape Town all on the same day ??? when according to FE it is always North of the Tropic of Capricorn

[@shaneeslick]

@@TheWombat2012 G'day from South East Coast NSW, hope you are you & your family are safe after all the rain, we have had lots of local flooding here too but I am up high & thankfully all my family scattered over Australia are safe

[@jaybear7272]

It's really impressive in a way, how Mr T&S can spent quite so much time talking about angles and eclipses, and yet remain utterly clueless about them.

[@Alex-iu8bx]

He knows exactly what he’s talking about and i don’t understand it.

[@dennisyoungblood1068]

I'm surprised he can walk and talk at the same time

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

Just curious, can you tell me with specificity what Mr T&S got wrong regarding angles. Or are you just assuming he doesn't understand things because he is a Flat Earther.

[@FlattardiansSuck]

...um...he IS a flerf...

[@FlattardiansSuck]

@@lightbeforethetunnel his lack of understanding is something he has not learnt in primary school. He cannot comprehend 3D or scale, nor do the math correctly, above a grade 5 or 6 level at best. He is oblivious to each ray, from each point, from the suns surface. He also, as was stated, refuses to learn or accept actual science.

[@michaelfiori6700]

Hey sci man dan. Been watching you since 10k subs... you helped me a lot when a close friend of mine became a flat earth believer. He convinced at least three other people we worked with. So your videos, the time, and the knowledge you bring are much appreciated. Not only for learning, but for people in my experience need a counter argument to people who literally dont listen. Thanks so happy your still here and can make a living talking about science to disprove these poor souls.

[@nightmareTomek]

Lol. I can't believe SciManDan devotes himself so much to debunking these idiots... I honestly can no longer watch their stupidity.

[@beakz]

Voiceover man: "In a world, where a single ray of sunlight hits your planet's surface with the full energy output of your star. 1˚ is all that saves you from annihilation" :D

[@endorneyodera4366]

Ngl A scifi disaster movie where theyre trying to stop an event like that Would be fun af

[@joethy]

“I know the earth is flat. I know this while everyone else doesn’t. That makes me special” - every flat earther.

[@panagea2007]

Yes, and that's why we have Special Education, Special Olympics, etc.

[@piershamton1492]

@@panagea2007 let's hope they don't let him into special forces.

[@Aisaaax]

I know the earth is actually a hypercube. I'm more special than all of them!

[@BulletMagnetMan]

@@piershamton1492 We'd never let an idiot like that in - not in my day anyway. Plus you actually need to be pretty intelligent to get into the SAS and also show considerable aptitude to be able navigate seas or trek through wilderness or mountains without GPS or compass and that requires you to understand that the planet is an oblate spheroid and not flat.

[@pflaffik]

But youre almost as stupid if you try to prove them wrong. I dont even want to get started on astrology, making an effort to prove astrologists wrong would be almost as stupid as actually being one.

[@iancraddock5473]

I think it's great that Flat Earthers are allowed internet access. MentaI wards have progressed so much.. It's marvelous, and gives them a sense of joining in..

[@jrsydvl7218]

Angles can't be satanic, they have the same gematria scores as angels.

[@crabbyj]

😂😂😂😂

[@Robin93k]

It's the other way around, satanics can't be non-angelic! Because, literally all Satans are Angels!

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

It’s funny that he trusts the scientists when they say that light travels in a straight line in space, even though he’s never been able to test that on his own, yet he doesn’t trust the scientists when talking about eclipses. Which is it, Thrive & Survive? Why tryst one & not the other?

[@peterfitzgerald1159]

He did concede that the light wasn't traveling through a medium, so he slightly less nutty than some flerfs. Small steps. I guess.

[@protoborg]

One problem: Light doesn't travel in straight lines. It travels in waves. Plus, the light from the sun is an ever expanding sphere that increases in diameter, not a series of discrete particles leaving the surface of the sun.

[@Markle2k]

@@protoborg Several problems: everything you said is either a gross misunderstanding or flat wrong.

[@bushmasterflash]

@@protoborg Photon, Quanta, wave-particle duality. Check them out for a mind-expanding experience. Light is both wave and particle. It travels in straight lines through spacetime, but that doesn't mean it travels in what we would ordinarily think of as a straight line. Gravity causes it to appear to bend because gravity bends spacetime and although the light is traveling in the shortest distance between two points (a straight line) it doesn't appear to be going in a straight line because spacetime is bent. Quantum mechanics and the general theory of relativity. When reality messes with your head.

[@cypher6083]

He also trusts that a virgin became pregnant because of a sky wizard's magic. Not a real critical thinker.

[@Daedalus_Dragon]

I love when they bring numerology into their arguments “then if you take that and multiply by the circumference of a duck and use that to play the White Album until that spot and measure the angle…) it’s always the most contrived bullshit you’ve ever heard. It’s ALWAYS them working backwards to try and fit the answer they want and they just fill in bullshit to make it fit.

[@lars6706]

What he fails to realize, is that the Bible has 66 books. Wow I hate it when they start arguing with numbers

[@andystokes8702]

Good point. No reason to suppose his diagram with angles of 66 degrees is any more or less satanic than his collection of 66 books.

[@JohnMichaelson]

@@andystokes8702 Wonder if he tears page 666 out of all his books, including the Bible? Wait, what am I thinking. Popup books never have that many pages.

[@Soundbrigade]

42

[@stevekitt52]

Have to ask him which version of the Bible he is using? There have been so many changes over the centuries, which one is erm Gospel these days?

[@NomadSoul76]

Once again I'm just depressed at the lack of curiosity. When I finally learned about the umbra and the penumbra it connected several different things for me. It explained why, for instance, studio photographers use light modifiers like umbrellas to turn a comparatively small source of light into a large light source. Yes they always said they did it to soften the shadows but I had to understand the difference between the two before I got it. When I finally did it was like a world opened up to me. I could see variations of this behavior all around me and all of a sudden the behavior of light made a little bit more sense. But instead here we have some flat earther trying to say that a model that is deliberately exaggerated to make it easier to understand uses satanic numbers and that every point on the surface of the sun emits light in one angle only that is designed to converge on the moon. It's like this tool has never seen a bare light bulb. It's like he expects a light bulb to only emit light in his direction, as if he honestly believes that if he walked around a room the light bulb would emit a spotlight aimed specifically at him. Because if he didn't believe this he would understand that every point of the surface of the light bulb emits light in a broad range of directions.

[@juidude634]

Yes. I think that every point in sun shines in 180°. Is that true? Whit my logic it is. Or maybe even little more, 190-200°?? Because of curve or horizon?? Have a nice spring Nomad!✌🌍🇫🇮

[@sumanshrestha36]

Thats why the sun and moon on flatearth does not work. They totally neglect how the light works. On a flat earth, the sun and the moon can not go further away that we cant see it because they are placed at very highest level that we cant reach it.

[@realityjunky]

I really like your first two paragraphs, very lovely. Don't let these mistaken people hinder your experience. They are like the junk food we should avoid, not nutritious for our bodies. They are junk food for your mind. Stay healthy, think critically and maintain that essential curiosity and you'll be fine.

[@awfuldynne]

@@juidude634 It's pretty much 180°. First, the sun is bigger than Earth, so the horizon is farther away on the sun, meaning its horizon is closer to eye level than Earth's. Second, I'm pretty sure so far as the light emission is concerned, the "eye level" the horizon is calculated for would be zero

[@juidude634]

@@awfuldynne thank you my man or woman!👌☀️

[@GordonRupe]

3:52 - "Satanic angles" ? Since when can directions be good or evil ??? "Dear, oh dear....."

[@MelanaC]

Great video Dan I find it utterly shocking that you can still find content for ‘Flat Earth Fridays’ in 2022! This dude is as thick as Marmite!

[@casperthefriendlycookingapple]

surely you mean Man man. 😄

[@MinkiSansChannel]

It’s pronounced “maman”

[@casperthefriendlycookingapple]

@@MinkiSansChannel man man is the Aldi version of maman.

[@shaneeslick]

But unlike this guy at lots of people like Marmite 😋

[@22skiddoo]

"His arguments are ad hominem. He's stupid."

[@stevieduggan1763]

I noticed that too. Lol. 🖖😃

[@kenbee1957]

Literally without a pause to breathe

[@brianhiles8164]

I was about to inquire of _@SciManDan_ if he really and truly understood that he had just been officially handed THE most ironic hypocrisy of our modern age. But you beat me to it by 20 minutes. _Dear oh dear._

[@ROFT]

He has no idea what ad hominem means.

[@namrog7971]

He's either making fun of himself or doesn't know what ad hominem means.

[@zerobyte802]

People who can't science trying to use science to debunk science is like a non pilot hopping in a plane, crashing it, and saying, "See? It can't be done."

[@gvcvbbhvbbccxcvn]

That's a hilarious analogy

[@bloo9699]

One time my parents threw out a coat my mom bought because they noticed there were some crosses in the designs on it that looked upside down. I imagine this fella would have done the same, imagine letting silly superstitions run your life like that.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

I just (half an hour ago or so) heard an interview with a woman who put off seeking a medically necessary kidney transplant because the nuns who taught her in your childhood had laid a solid foundation of low self-worth based on the "original sin" methodology. Only at the exhortation of her husband and a couple of close friends was she able to overcome that childhood programming and actually accept that her life was worth saving. - Religion can really screw people up. So can non-religious biases.

[@bloo9699]

@@MonkeyJedi99 man thats so sad :( i'm glad they were able to get through to her. So many who aren't that fortunate though. I hope the species can get past religion someday but you're right, there are other biases that screw us up. Political partisanship is a huge one... we've got a long way to go.

[@vonrosphe3098]

@@bloo9699 "The Cross of Saint Peter or Petrine Cross is an inverted Latin cross, traditionally used as a Christian symbol, but in recent times also used as an anti-Christian symbol. In Christianity, it is associated with the martyrdom of Peter the Apostle." (source Wikipedia) If peoble are really so into christian religion, why do they alway mess up with symbols. No the upside down cross don't has to be an satanic meaning. And thinks like 6,6 or 666 don't have to be satanic. They can also just be numbers.

[@paulcoy9060]

But in Australia, they would rightside up, so why not go there? Or donate the coat to a poor Aussie?

[@manofharlech5775]

10:45 So, he actually answered his own question, why scientists and globers use simple diagrams instead of up-to-scale models. Good job... 😅

[@ericb3157]

here's a good scale model: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIOWepqZaLebnMk

[@jinsu1701]

He also says "mathematically impossible" and then continues to use math for his argumentation.

[@quintonh.692]

@@jinsu1701 true lol

[@ButchE30M3S14]

This guy is on todler level: Drawing a sun with stripes coming out of it and call it a day

[@ZeeKee_CzeCza]

No no, because todlers draw multiple of them meaning there is more then 1 Ray. And sometimes they will make a line that is not going 90 degree from sun but the oposite direction :D

[@OrdinaryOneOfficial]

'Satanic angles' is my new favourite term. (that's a track or album name right there!)

[@reggiedixon2]

Didn't Black Sabbath release that about 1990?

[@Cobinja]

When Dan talked about part of the sun rays hitting the earth, I would have loved to hear a "Hey Genius. That's called day" 🙂

[@DoctorZisIN]

Flat earther = day deniers. To them the sun is tiny and has an invisible lampshade over it.

[@attila0323]

I love that he pointed out that the diagram is not to scale then he made a diagram to scale where the Sun is only a dot and the Earth is not even visible.

[@cliveadams7629]

Mr T&S's greatest achievement, genuinely, was when he flew around America to different latitudes with a digital scale and a weight in order to prove that things do not weigh less at latitudes closer to the equator due to the centrifugal force of a spinning earth. He then proceeded to take measurements that closely matched the weights predicted at different latitudes if the earth is a sphere with dimensions and rotational speed science claims. I was impressed at how well he carried out the experiment and how he completely dismissed the results with a handwave similar to Jism's "interesting" lights on the beach experiment when he proved curvature. A bit before your time on flat earth, Dan, but he probably has the video on his channel somewhere.

[@MrRolnicek]

That is interesting indeed. This is a important tidbit about this particular flat earhter because he tried to PROVE his point. That means he likely believed it (at least until te results came in). Most prominent flat earhters don't believe the earth to be flat so it's always nice to single out those who actually do.

[@markhackett2302]

Dan was around for that. It was the same place that Bob "a 15 degree hour drift" Nodel appeared to give his proof of a non stationary earth. Thanks Bob!

[@artjackson8360]

I really need to see that video! Sounds like it’s good for a laugh.

[@cliveadams7629]

@@markhackett2302 Dan was around for Jism's light debacle but pretty sure not for Mr T&S's fly me weigh-ins as that was waaaay before 15 degrees per hour and interesting. Not that it matters, they're all idiots who can't help but prove the globe when they actually do any practical experiment because, er, it IS a spinning globe. Just that few of them have the brain power to do any real research and those who do are just liars desperately promoting a rapidly fading grift.

[@andystokes8702]

All that effort he went to to do his own diagram on graph paper to ensure everything is to scale ........ except on the left hand side where he has placed his sun each square represents a million miles but once we get to 40 million miles the rest of the graph, the right hand side where the earth is, the scale suddenly changes and each square now represents two million miles but again, once we reach the eighty million miles mark we go back to one million mile per square. Pure comedy gold.

[@snapperjessen]

give the man the nobel price in mathematics :)

[@qantj]

Not to mention that "0.14 degrees" somehow became 1 degree.

[@Hartmannspielt]

This is the FLERF logarithmic scale... to hide the exact location of 66.6... so the devil can't find his place.... don't tell anyone...

[@evolsdog126]

I like that he can’t even draw a number line. At 1157 each ‘box’ was 5 million, but you can see between 60 and 80 in 10 million, and then 80 to 90 is back to 5. If you can’t trust him to count how can you trust him on anything else?

[@MonkeyJedi99]

When a person claims another is "all ad hominem" and immediately says that other is stupid? They really don't get it, do they?

[@protoborg]

He also does not seem to understand what "ad hominem" actually means.

[@billomeagain]

@@protoborg to be fair, most people who speak/type about this certain logical fallacy "ad hominem" don't understand that insults aren't automatically fallacious. You can call someone stupid in every other sentence, as long as that's not the basis of your counterargument, it's not fallacious.

[@battlesheep2552]

Ad Hominem is saying you're wrong because you're an idiot, not saying you're an idiot because you're wrong

[@ZeroKitsune]

@@billomeagain I'm never certain as to whether people don't understand that, or are actively ignoring it because they've decided it's the best defense (they don't have a logical defense).

[@billomeagain]

@@ZeroKitsune Words, even context, have no meaning to these people. They just want to "win." Even though it's usually not a competition. Eristic people are everywhere, they just want to dispute the other. The Truth be damned.

[@christiankalk4668]

He was doing so well at demonstrating why those textbook diagrams aren't drawn to scale...

[@danrebeiz4598]

Diagram needs a disclaimer: “Objects in diagram are farther than they appear”

[@wemblyfez]

It boggles the mind how some Flat Earthers use such complicated and convoluted calculations for their "proofs", whilst at the same time they still preach, "all you need to do is just simply observe, your senses never lie." As you always say, Dan, "Dear, oh, dear..." Thanks again for an entertaining look into the Flat Earth mind.

[@berandol88]

Yeah, and the always go "Trust what you can see with your own eyes!" yet the visual sense is one of the most easily fooled, there are countless examples of optical illusions on the internet.

[@Alex-iu8bx]

if you want to learn something new today; there is no evidence that paranormal activity is any different from string theory

[@mojomusica]

@@Alex-iu8bx Can I just repeat myself: Can you just keep your gob shut until such time as you have something constructive or instructive to say? I am getting heartily sick and tired of your pointless gibbering in the comments. Trolling of the lowest order by a potato. Thank you.

[@Alex-iu8bx]

@@mojomusica Is there any evidence to support that your Opinions are more contrusctive than mine, I'm going to rest that notion to bed because it's obvious you're even less informed than the average person 😂

[@Alex-iu8bx]

@@mojomusica on this particularly comment what I said is true; Paranormal activity and String theory have a direct correlation, care to show any contrusctive criticism ya toss bag? 🤣

[@mikespicer4827]

Perfect timing morning coffee and another SciManDan vid, good start to the day I'd say.. Thanks for the vids Dan, best wishes to one and all 😀

[@ernest2142]

@Durty Luka23 since you're so high, tell the flat earthers there is a curve.

[@Sm64wii]

I remember listening to your videos to and from school. Glad to see you’re still at it!

[@MisterUnlikely]

It seems like a lot of confusion comes from the treating of those "lines" as rays of light, when they actually represent boundaries of geometric zones, showing where the sun's light gets partially or completely blocked.

[@ArtisticlyAlexis]

This felt like classic Dan, just letting the Flerf _flerf_ themselves into utter stupidity! I think this guy watched _way_ too many flat earther debate streams w/ his LOVE of using the word "fallacy" incorrectly.

[@MathewWoodard]

“His arguments are ad hominem… he’s stupid.” Which is an ad hominem attack 😆

[@kerwynbrat5771]

I am actually amazed that anyone would look at an "illustration" and use it as some kind of fact based document as in using it as some kind of accurate base for mathematics. It just makes my brain hurt.

[@TS29er]

Then I suggest going back to the video where these idiots try to debunk a school book named something like "Science for *Beginners*" and then rant about how there are no detailed scientific proves in there...cant believe they found their way out of the womb

[@quim9724]

Look, peppa pig! Now I believe that all animals walk, talk and can do any job they want. They just won't show it to us.

[@hans-christianlarsen6762]

Hi, Dan. 🙋‍♂️ A little anecdote from Denmark here I've been a subscriber to your channel since about your 12K sub count, so a lot of videos has crossed my screen (still a fan👍🏆) . Ever so often I watch them with my now 12 year old son. His understanding of spoken English has been fine for years, but he only recently became a good English reader. SO.... last week we tuned in for Flat Earth Friday and during the intro he watches your signature screen and goes "Oooh!!?! It's SCI-ManDan!! I always thought it was SIGH-ManDan" 😂🤣🧡 I'm sure THAT would have worked as well for those segments. Side bar: The absence of swearwords and only referring to FE's and likeminded as "silly", "misguided", "poorly educated" etc. (no need to be rude, right?!?) is very much appreciated and makes this a great channel to watch with kids; fun AND educational. Keep up the good work 💪👏😉

[@CD_Character]

Sigh Man Dan. Still very appropriate.

[@FoggyPigeon]

I love the idea that whoever created the model in the first place decided to use angles that would add up to all 6s just to mess with people like this guy. "How many times do you think we can get the crazy religious people to mention Satan?"

[@maxine_q]

It's most likely just a coincidence paired with some cherry picking. On that small of a diagram it doesn't matter if it's 6°, 6.5° or 7°, it all ends up at about the same area over that short of a distance, especially when you draw the lines as thick as he did. And the reference line where he measured the angle of 6.6° from was also chosen arbitrarily by him (on purpose, so that it results in the angle he wanted). It wasn't in the original diagram.

[@thunderflare59]

I'm surprised he was able to find all these "clues" the illumidooble left behind without Blue's paw prints.

[@Megan-cd6sh]

Shit, that made me laugh.

[@wizardsuth]

When Blue runs across a flat Earther, he says, "Clueless, clueless!".

[@Ro_Gaming]

Ok so tell me, if they claim ONLY that earth is a disc, then tell me HOW DID IT GET MADE INTO A DISC? And explain literally any concept about daylight cycles without redescribing the sun

[@ericb3157]

"goddoesit." that's their ONLY answer for ANYTHING AT ALL.

[@mrbrowniez5387]

I was expecting some silly April Fools joke, but honestly, this is just as good

[@MimojiOG]

Perfect timing once again! You just know that when a flerf makes an intro that long to show something, they're gonna fail so hard...

[@palmsterster]

I love how on his diagram the distances between 30 and 40, 40 and 60, 60 and 80, and 80 and 90 are all the same. What a rigorous mathematical proof.

[@rafaelmarangoni]

Omg, he was so concerned with the scale representation that I couldn’t believe the outcome… I mean… He had time to record the video, edit it, upload it… And during all that time he didn’t realize where he went wrong? No… I refuse to believe it. That’s just a con man, a charlatan trying to monetize videos exploring the ignorance of unfortunate people…

[@Jehannum2000]

Nah, he is that dumb.

[@MyFrogEatsPeople]

The moment he said "satanic angles" I knew he was just a troll making money off being an idiot.

[@mapgeek6]

"A charlatan trying to monetize videos exploiting the ignorance of unfortunate people." - This is definitely the most plausible explanation for this flat earther's ridiculous "logic" that I've ever seen. Excellent explanation. I can't imagine that this flat earther actually believes what he's saying unless he's tremendously delusional. He's just making money off fools. Unfortunately, this video probably is helping out the scammer's bank balance while disproving him.

[@TheSynthnut]

“mathematically impossible” especially when the guy's as innumerate as he just demonstrated!

[@shaneeslick]

Yes everything is Mathematically Impossible when all you know is 0

[@Alex-iu8bx]

@@shaneeslick 1 is both odd and even; explain that one to me

[@jaybear7272]

@@Alex-iu8bx no it's not. 1 is an odd number. Even numbers are completely divisible by 2, and 1 isn't.

[@Alex-iu8bx]

@@jaybear7272 The number one is a Unit which is equal to itself

[@Alex-iu8bx]

@@jaybear7272 That's just a optimal math rule, but if 1 was odd then 2 is odd, and 3 is odd and 4 is odd Because it's just a number made up of odd numbers being 1.

[@sarinat3101]

"Look how ridiculous the globe model is, with how it accurately predicts everything years in advance down to the second. While we don't even have a single model, nor can we predict anything. Haha the globe is so stupid!" -Thrive and Survive

[@sussyrenz982]

their counter "ThEy CaNt PrEdIcT tHe WeAtHeR NeXt WeEk PrOpErlY"

[@markbailey3379]

I love how you approach what he’s saying with facts and logic and absolutely destroy him. Didn’t know I needed to see this video today. Great work, man!

[@pflaffik]

But how difficult is it to destroy someone at that level? Its not something anyone should be proud of. If your kid did poorly on an exam you dont brag to the other parents "my kid did a bit better than the retarded kids in special class".

[@Jari_Kuusisto]

I have to say that I am proud of myself. I made a personal record and managed to watch all the way to 6 minute mark. You are a true trooper SciManDan watching these crazy videos, week after week...

[@madisont3123]

6 minute mark? 6! Mark! Satanic Mark! Demon!

[@ChatNoirLe]

For fun I drew it to scale in CAD, earth casts a shadow of 9,196 km dia at moon dist, the moon is only 3,475 km dia, plenty of space to hide.

[@Gamesodes]

11:20 Anyone else wonder why his graph all of a sudden starts going by 20's instead of 10's of millions of miles???

[@MelanaC]

You’re so right!! His chart is completely messed up!!

[@markhackett2302]

If he didn't get the scale wrong, then he wouldn't have the answers he wanted.

[@Brielle312]

🤣🤣🤣 I’m pretty sure he forgot 50, 55, plus the 70s

[@VroomTheSpaceApe]

There really is no point trying to have a rational discussion with anyone that refers to "Sataninc angles"...

[@stevieduggan1763]

Maybe he meant Satanic "angels" and is just dyslexic. 🤔

[@VroomTheSpaceApe]

@@stevieduggan1763 😂

[@zachmiller9175]

This guy really took the concept of "bigger words equals more smarter" to heart huh...

[@MultiRationalThinker]

If you watch his whole video, what you'll discover is that he took an inordinate amount of time to show (poorly) that the original diagram was NOT to scale - something that everyone, including him, knew from the start. As for his "significant" numbers, he gets 6.6 and 23.4. He then takes the 23.4 away from 90 (for, umm, reasons???) to get 66.6. And do you know what all these numbers have in common, Mr Thrive and Survive? None of them is your magic oogie boogie number - 666.

[@VariantAEC]

Mr. Thrive and survive: "So if an angle is 10% devil, it doesn't count anymore!?"

[@romithromith]

And doesn't get his own scale right. After the 66.6 nonsense he also changed 23.4° to 23.5°.

[@azartymarine]

I've heard several people offer to fly flat earthers to the "edge" of the earth and none have accepted. They know they are wrong, they just want to keep their cult going. It's their moment of glory.

[@ZeroKitsune]

It is literally a cult. I didn't understand how people could believe something like that, until I made the discovery that...I don't know about all of them, but for a lot of them, it's LITERALLY a religious thing. They're exactly the same as young-earth creationists. They have created their own idea for how the universe must work which proves, in their minds, that God is real and everything they believe in is true. Therefore, science must be wrong, because if it WASN'T wrong, then THEY might be wrong, and their religion says that blind faith > evidence so they can't be wrong. It is literally a cult, and people will do and say anything sometimes just to be part of something like that.

[@thegamershy]

@@ZeroKitsune One of many reasons I've made teh choice to not be religious at all lmao.

[@michaelsteinbach]

They know that there's a chance they might be wrong and if it's proven to them, they're not going to be able to prove it to their cult. They'll be shunned and rejected while these idiots find a new leader to spout nonsense. You'd have to take every single flat-earther to space, and even then I bet a good percentage of them would find some reason to say it was fake. Screens in the windows? Fine, kick 'em out the airlock.

[@remwastaken]

@@ZeroKitsune what i don't understand about anti-science religious people is that can't you just do what you've always done? just make some shit up! idk like "God created the laws of physics, made the universe start from the big bang etc, but to prevent our species from growing too fast and disrupting the natural flow of things, he didn't give us the answers and instead decided to wait for us to discover them ourselves" Literally that would make more sense than anything they ever use as "proof" of why science is wrong and the bible is right.

[@tylercornberry]

Well you couldn’t if you wanted too. So that in itself is a bad argument. Because of the Antarctic treaty. You can’t fly around or by it without government permission. Same with by boat.

[@mvsawyer]

The thing with eclipses is that they're so easy to model with a damn apple and a flashlight!

[@michaelburk9171]

I'm 57 and can still remember my kindergarten teacher doing something like the flash light n apple demonstration. I think it was just to show moon phases, but she might have included eclipses.

[@drlegendre]

"They use the Satanic angles.." You have to be f-cking kidding me.

[@TheGuruStud]

If math can be raycist, then I guess it can also be satanic LOL

[@swanseahammer1]

Claiming 66 is a satanic number when there are 66 books in the bible 🤦‍♂️

[@defaulted9485]

​@@swanseahammer1 Ironic isn't it. These people claiming to be Christian to the core but never knew that, the moment the church decides to separate the Deuterocanonical Books from the Canonized ones, the number of the books Canonized becomes satanic within their own logic. Probably he also take "7 days of creation", "1 day for God equals to 1000 years of men" and "forgive seven times seventy times" at face value. Even more so, this kind of hoodlum is the exact reason why these Deuterocanons are separated in the first place, because it's even easier to be misinterpreted.

[@b0b5m1th]

@@swanseahammer1 even more ironic when you consider that it was edited down to 66 too...

[@theturtlemoves3014]

Hey! He did angles without completing the right triangle - better not tell Oakley

[@Nails077]

"It's not to scale!" Well, yeah, it's not trying to show a specific measured or calculated result. It is just showing the principle of what is happening and scale is exaggerated to show it. How is it so hard to figure out when being to scale is important and when it is not?

[@ericb3157]

oh, HERE'S a video i found with a proper scale model of the solar system: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIOWepqZaLebnMk

[@FutureChaosTV]

Everything is difficult to Flerfers.

[@francescononefrancese617]

Cool viggen pfp

[@francescononefrancese617]

Drakken*

[@SageGilbert191]

I’m ashamed to share a species with thrive to survive but honored to do so with sci man Dan

[@pencilpauli9442]

Satanic angles? HTF can an angle be Satanic. Have you ever seen an angle sacrifice a rubber chicken to honour Old Nick? Calling a stupid person stupid is not an ad hominem. And Thrifty has demonstrated his stupidity most splendidly.

[@ericb3157]

i've really heard a flattard say this: "they say the earth is tilted 23.4 degrees. 90 - 23.4 = 66.6, therefore the globe is satanic." NOT exaggerating.

[@phillipsusi1791]

Well, I mean... if the entire basis for your argument that they are wrong is that "they are stupid", then yes, that is ad hominum.

[@pencilpauli9442]

@@phillipsusi1791 " if the entire basis for your argument that they are wrong " Show me where I even implied it was the entire basis for an argument? But relating it back to the argument, would you seriously suggest that calling angles demonic is not the product of stupidity?

[@phillipsusi1791]

@@pencilpauli9442 I did not say the entire basis is that "they are wrong". I said the entire basis is that "they are stupid". If you can't say *why* what they said is wrong beyond that there is something wrong the the person saying it, that is the definition of an ad hominum attack. I agree that calling angles demonic is pretty stupid though.

[@Sekhubara]

Thrive and Survive: "His arguments are not scientific, but ad hominem " Thrive and Survive, seconds later, "He's stupid"

[@phillipsusi1791]

That's the point where I wanted to ask him if he knew what "ad hominum" means.

[@markthefallen8073]

i cant agree with stupid as i stated earlier stupid can be educated however ignorant can not

[@phillipsusi1791]

@@markthefallen8073 You have that backwards. Ignorant is the lack of knowledge which can be cured with education.

[@bable6314]

@@markthefallen8073 Actually, that's backwards according to Oxford dictionary. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, stupidity is a lack of intelligence.

[@Jakuri93]

I love how he say all the particle and photons goes in all directions and then proceed to make the angle in the end, literally goes against himself in the explanation. Did he even considering what he is saying at all i wonder 🤔

[@RustyWalker]

Let me just quote his intro: "His arguments are not scientific. They're ad hominem. He's stoopid." Just - mull that over for a while. Didn't our own Mr Sensible model that 100% impossible thing?

[@RustyWalker]

Oops ;) Thanks Dan.

[@dogwalker666]

Flurfs don't know what an ad hominem means, or science, or mathematics.

[@RustyWalker]

66 point 6 the number of the Sun Gemini is rising Let's have a currant bun Nah. I don't think that'll be a hit.

[@TalonBrush]

@@dogwalker666 Nonsense, of course they know! Hominem is their favorite rapper!

[@dogwalker666]

@@TalonBrush John oh I forgot 🤣

[@jeremykoehnlein2158]

“I’m not gonna label every one, you can figure it out.” He really overestimates his audience. Also himself since he missed a few numbers!

[@beriukay]

@11:30 dude says this is to scale, and then somehow decides that 90 = 70. No wonder he's a flat earther if he thinks 20 = 0.

[@Salsuero]

Says "this is to scale" while simultaneously skipping 50 and 70 on his chart. This guy can't even count past 40 without losing track. Bro... pro tip... the distance between 40 and 30 isn't the same as the distance between 60 and 40... whether on graph paper or in outer space. And the fact that you think there is only one ray of sunshine coming from the sun is just marvelous.

[@joshuapooler491]

I find it very funny how he continues to say “if you imagine “ with his diagram, but refuses to “imagine “ how an eclipse works on the very first diagram. As much as he seems to disagree with the first diagram; his argument supports it! 😂😂😂

[@sakkikoyumikishi]

I'm so tempted to sign him up for remedial science classes, but I shudder at the thought of having to teach that kind of "genius", so I probably can't do that to a colleague with a clear conscious 😅

[@andydow7243]

I can't remember how I came across your channel but so glad I did. Your content is so well explained. I always look forward to my Tuesday's and Friday's. Well done 👍

[@chris7395]

I honestly do feel sorry for these people, they are obviously missing some sort of purpose in their life and are pursuing this crazy idea to fill their emptiness

[@michaelburk9171]

And they are working so damn hard to deny observable natural phenomena

[@HiImBQ]

ThriveAndSurvive: "His arguments are ad hominem." Also ThriveAndSurvive: "He's stupid."

[@AuditingTheAbsurd]

Thank you so much for appearing in my video today Dan, it really was hilarious 😂

[@SciManDan]

Was a pleasure mate

[@Pantera_NP]

whats so funny about the truth leaking?

[@Aaron-hh8nx]

You're really stupid aren't you

[@allwaizeright9705]

@@Pantera_NP It leaked all over my shoes 😜😜