The MOST DOPED Dauphiné In History (2004) ft. Lance Armstrong, Tyler Hamilton, Iban Mayo

[@cyclingstories]

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[@blacktoothfox677]

Good moaning... I have experience as a policeman in a provincial 1940's setting, centred around a cafe. Huppy to hilp.

[@chriswright9096]

@@blacktoothfox677 You just happened to be pissing by the door.

[@blacktoothfox677]

@@chriswright9096 ...tacking a broke from farting for your freedom

[@m-experiment-f7i]

Je suis français et je suis éventuellement intéressé ! Vous recherchez toujours quelqu'un ? Cordialement

[@davess61]

Armstrong's grip on cycling in that era was pretty scary, looking back. He even looks crazy, with dead zombie eyes

[@DrJRMCFC]

I had the real pleasure of meeting Tyler Hamilton at a book signing. I told him my favourite race was the Ventoux time trial.He looked surprised and told me ,’yeah, i was doped to gills that day’. Yes, I replied, i knew that as i’ve been following pro cycling since as kid in the 80s. But doping aside, everything was perfect, the bikes and the preparation. He now looked really surprised. You need to stop beating yourself up over the dopin i told him. It was your job and i would have done the same. I work in finance. If my firm could dope us to perform better they would. Yes, he cheated but deep,down he’s a nice guy. I really, really wanted Mayo to win that Tour. I didn’t know the bit about being starved of the necessary products. Great video.

[@machohogan]

That’s a great story. Thanks for sharing.

[@mrkipling2201]

Definitely. Brilliant story. Hamilton has always seemed a nice bloke.

[@nofascistsonmywatch]

Yes, as much as we hate what doping has done to our sport, those outside of the sport, who know NOTHING WHATSOEVER about it, somehow think that the EPO, HGH, etc., is what actually pedals the bike up 15%, 10 mile long mountain passes at 15 MPH. LOL! WE know better. ;)

[@jnavonoD]

You work in finance and you think cheating is OK? Weird. Anyway, I once emailed Tyler when he was mounting the Chimera defence and said look mate we all know that's bollocks. He mailed me back insisting he was legit. We all know the eventual result of that! But yeah, that doesn't make him a bad guy, just a flawed one. All the best!

[@arthurriordan5760]

Wow. Cheating in finance?

[@lazlo2511]

A lovely edit of all the bad boys… unreal how much dirt was around in those years.

[@ascensoycaida3792]

Legendary Mcrib lover Christopher Horner... this channel is amazing deserves lot more of suscribers

[@dsmlive3982]

The buffalo, the chicken, the reptile, the pirate....you need to do a vid on the characters.....love your voice....i keep laughin the whole way! Ricco the reptile

[@MitchVanVit]

and "radioactive" is the middle name of all of them ! True story ;)

[@christiandm1041]

Love these...entertaining and informative!! Keep em coming sir!

[@gregoryrowlerson8457]

That was a strange Tour, that's for sure. All of the supposed main rivals of Lance collapsed by the end of the first MTF (Ullrich, Mayo, Hamilton). Doubt that many were picking Klöden and Basso to podium before the race. Would be interesting to know of what could have been if Mayo and Hamilton had kept their form hidden in June, and revealed it in July.

[@robertochi817]

The alopecian mount of Provence!

[@abedfo88]

I'd love a video on Chris horner (if there isn't already) that vuelta win makes me feel ill

[@NightShooter87]

No he was clean, it's totally normal to win your first Grand Tour at 42 yr old LOL

[@keirbrook2654]

This channel gets better.. honestly I miss the old times in cycling kind of.. I miss all the bickering but then again that probably came from all the juice they where putting in there bodies…

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

You are missing soulless ballless riders, great.

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

Kind of 😏

[@meaningless8288]

Idk seems to be a lot of nostalgia. Tbh, it was boring. Armstrong would attack at the base of the final climb and gain 2 minutes. Here and then he gifts a stage to someone else but still wins by 6 minutes overall. TDF 2003 was the only exception.

[@keirbrook2654]

@@meaningless8288 I was on about characters like pantani, landis,… legend like indurain.. people with personalities unlike todays riders like froome (even though he is my all time favourite )… pog and rog… non of the say anything other than great race .. team did well etc

[@cycologist7069]

@@keirbrook2654 You don’t think riders like Sagan and Wiggins are colorful characters?

[@blacktoothfox677]

Look at him living strong and crushing a million carcinogenic dreams. Beautifully vainglorious, like... A cheap icarus

[@jamesbutler1949]

I haven't heard "Tugboat" for years!

[@KevinKimmich44024]

I think the angst over doping in cycling is a really interesting phenomenon. The riders who are doping insist they are clean to maintain the illusion for fans. The fans look the other way or try to ignore it. The former fans whom realize they were duped can't even watch the spectacle anymore... Nobody would care about the doping status of their coffee shop barista or others they interact with in a professional capacity. Fandom has the illusion of a relationship, kind of like an only fans scenario. So there's a sense of betrayal associated with the doping. It's a unique scenario.

[@jnavonoD]

We know they are lying. They know they are lying. They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And so it goes.

[@chrissmart467]

Best channel on KZbin

[@cyclingstories]

You're really Smart

[@roadracer1584]

Lance was a walking pharmacy. The dude was juiced to the gill.

[@IzdSammy]

IIRC, Floyd Landis told in his sworn affidavit, that Lance and the other USPS riders had donated blood before the 2004 Dauphine, therefore they had more likely a shortage of oxygen carriers vs. the blood doped Phonak guys (of whom some didn't even always reinfuse their own blood but likely used blood of their relatives etc).

[@zzhughesd]

Blood bag era. Perfect to watch. Mental health on rider aside. Pure mental to watch. Fully juiced.

[@mmartijn78]

In 70th and 80th was much more crazy dope shit.

[@MitchVanVit]

Pedal, sleep, seringues and blood bags !!! What else for those bone heads, better than the mine...

[@patrickwalsh279]

A masterpiece of Dublin-dosed wit and the only accurate account of the colorful sport of doping, I mean cycling, in the 2000s. May I suggest the use of PHARMstrong as an alternative to your other hilarious nicknames for that arch-scoundrel?

[@edwardairesii5729]

Awesome video as usual!!!!

[@teddycutler1]

Have you covered Horner and the 2013 Vuelta? That would be a good one.

[@teddycutler1]

Also the whole 2011 Vuelta, a very very weird and entertaining race.

[@Tazangamoz]

Wow very interesting! 💯

[@stevehougom7454]

If you look at the comparison in performance of Mayo and Hamilton in the Dauphine 04 vs TDF 04 you definitely wonder what the heck happened. Obviously bad luck can happen to anyone but had they been allowed to continue their programs the TDF 04 results might have been more interesting. I still think over 21 days though LA wins comfortably. Would love to know what happened behind the scenes. That ventoux stage at dauphine 04 was very interesting to say the least.

[@codino97]

i´m not sure he beats hamilton to be honest mayo its obvious because of the time trials but hamilton i have doubts

[@TwoWheelWarrior]

Way to go buddy!

[@tonycrabtree3416]

It’s hilarious how much dope was flowing from 95-05.

[@blablabla1981]

To 2010 as well, you know Saunier Duvel had their time with Piepoli and Riccardo Rico. And also Bernard Kohl in that 2008 tour, who took a surprising podium place.

[@valeriogiongo3773]

Ridiculous to continue to rage against a generation of cyclists. And maybe get excited today, for a generation that runs away to the Canaries, South Africa or South America to avoid doing the checks

[@tonycrabtree3416]

@@valeriogiongo3773 the only cyclist raged against is Lance Armstrong.

[@zzhughesd]

I just loved a doping vid. The out of the back lose three mins to winning next day by minutes. Pure joy watch.

[@pawelkarpinski7961]

I love this channel..it is soo funny. Did you know that polish Eurosport comentators do not mention name of Lance? Whenever they have to mention him they say "..you know who...". Instead some of them glorify Pantani....I can not understand it - it is soo unfair. We ask them to destigmatize Lance but they say they feel betrayed as he turned doping to industry levels. Regardless of it, what is attitude of pro cycling comentators to Lance in your countries? Cheers from Poland.

[@cyclingstories]

Eurosport is the cinism channel Contador is his comentator in Spain. There yes, named Lance (always in the Contador side, like our Contatroll wasn't doped in Astana) but not doping cases or only in light ways. But yes for others like Pantani is like... oh they were gods.

[@mylastsummers]

In Hungary they name all of them, but they only call Lance a doper, while they admire Contador and Basso as leaders of the Eolo team, which employs two Hungarian riders.

[@davidtreichelpppj5304]

Another good one . Are you going to do one for Jeany Longo. Perhaps the most secretive cyclist ever

[@leedsunited007]

How do you know that this years Dauphine isnt more doped than 2004?

[@rexmundi273]

Every edition is a doped one.

[@errisgloshfan]

Takes time to catch up, always has

[@valeriogiongo3773]

Ridiculous to continue to rage against a generation of cyclists. And maybe get excited today, for a generation that runs away to the Canaries, South Africa or South America to avoid doing the checks

[@elithorne-thomsen1083]

@@valeriogiongo3773 I don't see the rage, just the valid truth. These are interesting and fun videos to watch. Doping has been, and will be, in the sport forever. And, there must be a Slovenian doctor we haven't heard of. Yet!!!

[@stevehougom7454]

Because they need gearing the size of a friggin pie plate on the front chain ring just to get up the damn hill. The boys in the 2000s were hammering 12/27 and maintaining higher wattages for longer periods of time. No yo yo attacks ie contador...launch and come back....launch and come back. Boring asf.

[@PInk77W1]

I have as many Tour de France wins as Lance

[@nk8367]

Ah yes. The good old days.. however, they are just as fast nowadays.. 🤭

[@jerrychicken967]

Verbruggen and Lance were all in on the same money making deal.

[@ratobrasileiro]

L.A. greatest bully ever

[@peterlovett5841]

You mentioned "self-confessed doper, Stuart O'Grady". My memory of that is that he admitted to using drugs on only one occasion after being talked into it by a team mate.

[@jnavonoD]

Just once is enough.

[@timw4369]

when eddy mercyx was around you dont think there was doping? there was no testing.. The early days were as bad if not worse. Yes these days were more public but the early days people died from doping

[@cyclingstories]

Merckx was positive several times, he doped. There are testing since mid 1960s

[@rh_BOSS]

The doping culture was already in place, they were just missing the right drugs. Still it wasn't as outrageous as the oxygen vector era. Domestiques and one day racers were putting minutes into yesterday's champions after hooking up with the right doctors. All you needed was good tolerance to EPO and willingness to take some risks associated with high hematocrit.

[@elithorne-thomsen1083]

So true! My father was offered a pro contract in the late '60's with the contingency that he had to go on "le bombe". He refused, and thus ended his potential professional cycling career.

[@MitchVanVit]

1 century ago, taking drugs on le Tour was a norm... Exept not punishable, so not even called "dopping", it was just being extreme with your body to do an extreme event! What's new; Now they just hide the norm, to avoid scaring young people... Just my belief

[@y-sdahms212]

Check first km of Alpes d'huez 2004 and Rubiera. Unbelievable

[@luzzyrogue]

A video again with Fuentes mentionned.

[@benjaminwilson4558]

...Ahhh...to revisit the late 90s and early 2000s looking at this as the ...CLIMACTIC?!😅 2023 TDF ended ! Watching -almost $20,000 Dollar bikes- I can only think...BORE BORE BORE...Oh those "Glory Days"! Lolololol....

[@rexmundi273]

Doping is not that unhealthy, all these riders still live.

[@cyclingstories]

Tell Riccò

[@rexmundi273]

@@cyclingstories He made a mistake on his blood transfusion.

[@ryanphelan6861]

Mayo flew up climbs in 03' a couple one is or was fastest ascent by distance at time. He won on alpe d'huez too in 03 ' if memory serves , it serves less and less over years and ullrich sadly really was the last we saw him in proper tour condition mayo was the man on the climbs luz ardiden aside. Minutes he put into GC on one of them if that tt was a sunny day likely different winner only year he really faced a fit ullrich and got smashed in that huge tt vino too 15 kilos over his Beijing gold medal ride climbing mountains. Crazy time.

[@cyclingstories]

Ullrich 2006 was in shape

[@DrJRMCFC]

@@cyclingstories was that the year basso won the giro, but i’ll rich won the final TT (verona?)was was coming good perfectly in time for the tour?

[@ryanphelan6861]

@@cyclingstories 2006 Ullrich couldn't have replicated that ITT imo but obviously that's subjective. He started the 2003 tour poorly if I remember and came into his own on time trial , just torched field in that hour long ITT put him right back in race and seemed to be on front foot from that point on I thought. He was lean as I ever saw him, not that you had to be, as Vino showed both he and Jan put time into Lance on a stage in pyrenees too didn't they? I haven't watched in a long time but that's just how I remembered it. Even 2004 he had legs at moments to explode but his upper body kind of made attack implode unfortunately. I remember him attacking in 2004 catching a group up road signaled for them to jump on and I don't think they were there by time he turned around to gesture. I was happy to see him on Lances podacst in mallorca hope he stays healthy. These guys were treated like race horses essentially by the owners, UCI, Dr.'s for most part willingly I guess but most were kids.... only a few riders really did it cunningly in an almost brash way. Bjarne, Lance, most giro winners, you see toll it took mentally on marco, jan, VDB shame is everyone goes agua they win like they did as kids. Unfortunately they were on high octane. You seen "accidental death of a cyclist"? Highly recommend it if you haven't. Great footage of Marco as youth as I understand there was several hours of footage that some have seen featured. He could always outclimb everyone.

[@kuman1212]

Doping is the best.

[@mojondro]

In my opinion the tour organization is missing a great show idea, let's let doped riders compete in a different category like the dope champion of the tour and the "clean" champion

[@MitchVanVit]

exact same idea would be "no rule on massive sprints" like Groeneweggen in Poland Yea there would be DEAD people and shut down after one stage. Or 10 year olds starting to google "where to grab EPO" after stage 1...

[@cyril4046]

At least Riis, Pantani, Ullrich were gentlemen. Armstrong was a douche in addition to being a doper. The UCI is doing a good thing by not giving him in titles back.

[@cyclingstories]

Riis had also a mafia part, the episode of Aix les Bains in tdf 1998 Then he get the license of Memory Card team

[@mmartijn78]

Riis?? He was evil guy OMG. Read about it please even as manager. Lance had power over UCI, but when it got to hot for UCI... we know the story.

[@cyril4046]

@@cyclingstories But who were Bjarn Riis' victims?

[@Mosely2007]

Good to see you get Lance. Pitiful cheater confessed to Oprah . Tyler Hamiltons book The Secret Race lays it out. His bullying to quiet others nasty

[@errcoche]

Anybody know if you fall below your "undoped" levels when you are on the EPO and then go "cold turkey". Usually a body reacts to counteract the effects of a drug. If you are putting testosterone in your blood you stop making your own for example. Just seems like the drop off in performances described here go beyond what I would expect. Interesting to hear allegations that Lance not only was on the juice but was taking steps to keep his rivals off it. I have never understood how he was able to have such an edge for so long. Are these claims proven?

[@stevehougom7454]

Entirely possible that the overall effect of high red cells in the body and related cell receptors in some processes are being upregulated and as a result become less sensitive after you take that affect away when your red cells go back to normal. Interesting question.

[@ohgodmacpac]

great story, but im going to be honest with u. I dont know what a gregario is?

[@cyclingstories]

Teammate

[@jds6206]

I don't excuse it, but I recognize "the doping era" as just that, and no more. It's what they did, back then, throughout the professional ranks. Interesting stuff to read about today; the thought of getting a "bag 'o blood" is revolting, even frightening, to me, but that's what the sport had come to. I like to think the pro-peloton is not so doped today.

[@cyclingstories]

Last Roubaix was fastest one in history...

[@jnavonoD]

Doping era in cycling: 1896-present.

[@jnavonoD]

@@cyclingstories 'Full natty'.

[@jsquire5pa]

@@cyclingstories and golfers are better than they’ve ever been .. sports improve over time even without drugs .. if they’ve merely caught up that’s not a definitive sign the modern peloton is on as effective drugs

[@t4d0W]

@@jsquire5pa Cutting edge doping also gets past the flimsy paper napkin testing rules as well. Only integrity I believe in that sport given its history at a high level is do whatever it takes to win within the given rules.

[@montrose252]

I HATE Lance! Thanks for this great video!

[@buddhaboy-]

Woof 🐶

[@mariamedeira5729]

Ineos DOPING TEAM 🤕🤕🤕

[@MarkKanaster-ev6pq]

Mc rib was the greatest 😂

[@TheLemon333]

Lance had the doctor give Euskatel crappier products during the tour so he could win. Definitely not an even playing field for the doped.He was the worst!

[@MitchVanVit]

Seriously your thought is the most horrific thought a human can have sport wise ! Yet I believe at 51% that it's the game those guys were/are playing!! Lance being the master at that time... But Lance alone? No, he was just a soldier ! ... You know, Lance, Texas, Bush, Nike, Money, world domination... Hey... It's just a game (bAd)

[@petermarshall7775]

who is the sarcastic mumbler ?

[@znalniaskas]

This is why I dislike Lance so much, the guy was a snitch who used politics to gain every advantage possible and mess with his rivals. That said, 2004-2006 Phonak was just thermonuclear.

[@mocha-6957]

Hahahahah “thermonuclear” killed me

[@mmartijn78]

He will be good politician in US..

[@alcebiadesliz]

Chicken Rasmussen= white and skinny legs

[@stuartbedford6344]

Of course there where dope testing in the seventies it was about the men then not the bikes it's about the bikes now end off

[@XeroxtheMoney007]

great tabloid video(s) of stuff that happened years ago and packed with a serious pile of BS. Just the line about a team with beer and greasy food, you don't climb up a mountain at that speed, regardless the drugs. If you want to report on drugs and cycling, do it with some knowledge of the sport, the background, and all the other factors. Lance (and the Americans, mainly) came to Europe with not just drugs, but huge amounts of innovation, technology and ways to shave off seconds using every possible way (also drugs). It's why he won those Tours, not because of just the drugs. Also, look at the sport now, and how ALL top teams copy that progress and working on every.single.thing.that.matters. It's why Lance still has the most TdF wins. Period.

[@cyclingstories]

Yes a lot of innovation Money to Ferrari Money to Motoman Money to Verbruggen Money to his rivals It's all about the money

[@cyclingstories]

Also he was busted because he didn't give money to Landis in 2009 Money

[@cyclingstories]

Already that innovation started with a spanish guy, Fatboy Saiz of ONCE. Bruyneel were riding for him and applied his methods to 2000s era So no, this isn't a thing about oh americans are better than europeans Thats really the BS here

[@glh5801]

@@cyclingstories That was his biggest mistake. You don't shit on the guy who knows all your secrets and is at the very bottom of the barrel. $110k salary would have kept Floyd's mouth shut and everyone would still be wearing yellow bracelets.

[@jnavonoD]

USA! USA! Lol bro, look where you're at.

[@mmartijn78]

That's why low lands did not win anything at that time..

[@harryturnbull4781]

I dont get this. It was a level playing field. In any era under any circumstances Lance would be the best and remains the greatest to ever strap on a cleat

[@cyclingstories]

No In 1993 to 1996 he hadn't the body of a GC contender

[@DrJRMCFC]

Incorrect. There was a threshold at 50%. Lance got a huge boost from doping that others, more genetically gifted, would have not. Ironically, his weight loss from being sick really helped too!

[@IzdSammy]

@@DrJRMCFC His natural Hct was around 42-43 % during his comeback, even higher in some tests before his EPO use. There is little evidence to the claim that he benefited more than the others from the 50 % rule.

[@mmartijn78]

Lance was not even top 30. Suddenly he was great...because, we know now for years.

[@harryturnbull4781]

@@mmartijn78 Garbage darling

[@valeriogiongo3773]

Ridiculous to continue to rage against a generation of cyclists. And maybe get excited today, for a generation that runs away to the Canaries, South Africa or South America to avoid doing the checks

[@cyclingstories]

True. But this isn't rage. We respect all this riders as an entertainment show