THE MOST IMPORTANT MINIS MANTIC GAMES HAVE EVER MADE!

[@DellamorteDellamore0]

I love how Mantic are always looking to experiment and keep pushing their boundaries and do better and better with each release.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

I think there were a few reasons why they shifted supply for these minis but it’s great they did as we can really see the benefit.

[@michaciemniewski9791]

Also... Just finished my 8k+ of Trident and decided to start an EoD army. Plastic and resin exclusively is an great! My kid decided he will paint ogres. And really Archon did a stunning job with those.

[@bluedotdinosaur]

One thing I really like about Mantic's hard plastic models is how they seem to be influenced by the way GW's early hard plastic models for LOTR Strategy Battle were designed. That game was considered very "mainstream" by GW at the time - something that was likely to be bought by non-wargamers and for kids. Consequently the models, while having good crisp detail, were designed to be sturdy, chunky, and simple to assemble. While it meant they had somewhat "boring" and non-dynamic poses compared to later models, it also made them easy to clean up, assemble, and paint. To my eyes this is the way Mantic is designing their hard plastic. They realize the nature of KoW is that a person is going to be assembling 80 halflings at a time and there seems to be conscious thought put into making this a reasonable thing for a normal human to accomplish.

[@anthonywaggett9317]

My first experience with Mantic kits has been through your Firefight Slow Grow and I have been super impressed with them. They are easy to build, versatile and detailed but easy to paint up well. I will be buying more.

[@tonyhowell201]

I'm a big fan of Mantic's new manufacturing team. Their quality is way up there. This is a Great Shout out 😃

[@BlackJackLegacy]

Glad to see folks getting their hands on these and seeing the quality for themselves.

[@moosemoosington]

Mantic new stuff is getting so good

[@Eric-jt8yx]

Cool video. I’m always interested to learn more about smaller mini companies

[@scantrahan]

Love em, just picked up a set

[@JonSteitzer]

Mantic is such a great company. I'm late to the game on them but I've just discovered Kings of War, and it's amazing

[@mmbierhof]

These are cast by Archon Studio, right? Top notch stuff

[@YouTube-Grifter]

The small details were impressive but the mouldlines were terrifying!!

[@BlackJackLegacy]

The mould lines aren’t bad in reality - when you blow any sprue up as close as I did in the photos you’ll see those lines.

[@goresk8869]

i have the old ''skinny'' ogres for OPR/AoS/DR, may get some of these guys to fill out this army i do love the new buffed up sculpts

[@animeator]

They are so very cool. I am genuinely excited for Mantic's future releases. Much as I love the old school chonk charm of the older models.

[@NewSquallor]

Ambush is looking to be much better next year. Oh boy! Some things to put on the birthday wish list.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

I think the boxes are going to be a great price too - nice size to get started and cheap enough to give it a try.

[@jlozano2615]

Can definitely see the quality jump in these sculpts. The mold lines also looked to be in aren’t a paint to get to.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

There’s a lot of thought gone into the orientation to get the mould join in the optimum place to be able to hide them or clean them easily.

[@Gigakhah]

some great sprues. with lots of options, customization and detail

[@timopin2009]

That looks great. I live seeing the growth with this company. They really hit the bullseye with this set. I plan on using them for our RPG sessions.

[@orionparish9858]

Might not be getting press because Mantic is still playing second fiddle to Games-Workshop. And I just played my first KOW game last night (demo game since both me and my opponent were new to the game). Ambush sized I believe. Nice to hear that size is getting boxes, and I might not have to grab one of the army or mega army boxes, or one of the starter sets.

[@reddragontabletopgames]

I really like the new Mantic models.

[@johnhanley5546]

Mantic is a great company producing amazing minis - been using their Forge Fathers as Squats for years!

[@the13th]

Seeing these minis for me justifies the message I've been trying to get cross for a while which that Mantics production quality is far higher than most believe

[@BlackJackLegacy]

There’s a lot of old opinions based on a sprue from 10 years ago but some folks hear that and it becomes the tag line that sticks. It like the common misconception that all Malifaux models are fiddly to build. People take these sound bites and they stick.

[@NotTheStinkyCheese]

bad reviews tend to stick around the longest ... It sucks, because (some) companies do manage to increase the overall quality of their product. It is also not easy to see how old any given model/range is, so you can't always be sure that there aren't any quality gaps in a given range. (Yes the ogres are new/improved ... but what is the current state of the official KoW factions ? Are there any that still suffer ?)

[@joshuadewberry1557]

I have my rats and my dwarves, but these ogres are jumping the line. They are simply gorgeous and I will be gathering cash and shifting trades to snatch up an army of this

[@BlackJackLegacy]

They’re worth the queue jump!

[@1crlski]

That is why I'm glad there are manufacturer's like Victoria's Miniatures, she makes female sculpts for just about every guard faction and they are easily recognized as female

[@snackelwolf4462]

Oh I haven't heard anything about boxes for Ambush, I hope you share a bit more with us in the future about them.

[@Paul_Inman]

If these are being made by who I think they're being made by (and the font on writing on the sprue would suggest that they are), then I am not surprised. I recently got sent a stack of Starfinder miniatures from Archon Studios (I didn't order them, I didn't expect them I got them because of some weird quirk of them honoring a Kickstarter that they picked up of Ninja Division) and the quality of the models is amazing, easily as good as GW. The details, the assembly and the final poses are on a par with GW's character models. So it's not a surprise to me that Mantic's new Miniatures are also exhibiting a higher level of quality. I think it's a potentially great partnership for both companies

[@NotTheStinkyCheese]

I must admit ... I did recognise the sprue style from my Dungeons&Lasers collection. And indeed ... the Starfinder minis which I got as well (I heard some lucky bastards at the 1$ pledge level also got stuff ... )

[@Paul_Inman]

@@NotTheStinkyCheese You heard right. Although I don't really know if lucky is the right word. I pledged $1 and then added a couple of dollars because I wanted some of the space ship models. Then Ninja Division went bust and I wrote off the pledge. Then Archon took over and I thought, well, maybe I will maybe I won't get my pledge. Then Archon just sent me a stack of plastic, out of the blue and totally random. It wasn't my pledge, I have no idea what I will do with them but good on Archon for trying to do right by backers I suppose. And if I hadn't got them I wouldn't actually be aware that there's a potential challenger to GW in terms of high quality plastic miniatures casting

[@JanterCyrano]

Nice models! nice detail and yet not saturated with them!

[@tonyhind6992]

Like the detail. I would play Mantic's stuff but the prices are too high.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

If you think Mantic’s prices are too high, out of interest what do you play?

[@HauntedCorpseGaming]

So Mantic have gone from Mega Blocks to Lego in quality? Interesting, their material has always been their real weakness.

[@danm830]

Lots of hard plastic sprues and lovely resin in the range now. The metal and PVC kits in the range are slowly being replaced by either entirely new kits, or (for the sculpts that aren't as old) being remade in better material.

[@frowan]

Halflings, Empire of Dust and now these.. First Mantic army purchase getting closer and closer!

[@BlackJackLegacy]

You won’t be disappointed!

[@mordecaitoth6703]

I impulse bought the Shadows in the North starter box a few months back to do some kitbashing and had no issue with the quality of those models. I am really hoping that the new Ogres and the Riftforged Orcs will get Vanguard warband sets at some point.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

They may well do - I’m sure they’ve just been updated in Vanguard in the last week or so.

[@christiansebine7316]

I still have the old ogre army in the box waiting for the ratkins to be finished 🤣 What made me sad (an angry) about these new releases is that the upgrade for old siegebreakers was removed from the web now that finally was able to find a company within EU that could bring mantic direct stuff as local game stores cant afford the costs if they pick stuff directly and not through retailers with many other brands in their cathalogue...hope they get them back so I can build my army

[@bumgilligan]

Damn, look at those mold lines 😳

[@BlackJackLegacy]

The mould lines aren’t bad at all - the images are super zoomed in which makes them look much worse than they are at normal scale. Take a photo of any sprue and zoom in to that size and you’ll see the same.

[@cptlazyjack]

I am really impressed by the new Ogre's. I do hope they re-design the older miniatures, like Dwarfs & Elves.

[@AltheSpiderlord]

Nice and crisp. Looks like a step up from the previous chinese ones. Are these the mysterious (european) manafacturer? (Archon)

[@BlackJackLegacy]

Yeah they are but not sure it’s so mysterious - everyone seems to know who’s making them and Ronnie even made a video in their factory when these were being made.

[@SamOnMaui]

Wonderful! Great to see!

[@dwarrenmsp]

Hoping to see some new sculpts and sprues for the Deadzone/Firefight models. New Deadzone starter seems like a perfect time to see some new sprues revealed.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

I’m not sure we’ll see new sculpts in Deadzone/Firefight just yet. I think Deadzone doesn’t really use the amount of models needed to be viable for new plastics and Firefight is still growing and finding it’s feet. I agree that I’d like to see them though.

[@euansmith3699]

We've entered Sudden Death Ogre Time!

[@BlackJackLegacy]

They think it’s all Ogre … it is now!

[@Gumlass1]

Another reason I like these, is they are a high quality, low model count army!

[@superpumpkinman]

I can really appreciate the addition of female models in any game as you can paint them just a little different from male characters.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

The female head options are great too. Still obviously Ogres but they look different to the male heads.

[@leesweeney8879]

Mantic get that guy a real chair, a Herman Miller perhaps!

[@BlackJackLegacy]

How very kind of you to give them a nudge! :)

[@akumaking1]

I want Mantic to release new minis based upon Total Warhammer

[@rustedbeetle]

That's fantastic, but I'm not buying all of my Deadzone factions again. I do prefer ball and socket over flat mating spaces for arms and legs.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

I hate the ball and socket ones… good job there’s different stuff for us all to love! 😉

[@Kinaro666]

What if you just want an all male army? :P New plastics from mantic are really nice and I hope they redo some more of there older stuff like the dwarves and elves.

[@manofaction1807]

I have a grudging respect for Ronnie and the gang. They piss me off sometimes, but on the whole, they do great work.

[@Slacksalotprime]

I agree gorgeous sprue. But, Mantic kind of shit the bed on the new Marauders sprue with its blurred details on the legs

[@BlackJackLegacy]

I agree but that goes to show how the new manufacturer is a huge improvement over the old one.

[@Slacksalotprime]

@@BlackJackLegacy oh absolutely! As a lover of Mantic I absolutely want to see them make improvements and succeed

[@kayteigyr]

Completely agree with everything

[@BlackJackLegacy]

Thank you!

[@TheDiceMustFlow]

I love the detail on the kings of war armada ships but they really seem to have had quality issues... broken / missing pieces etc hope they can move past this.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

The missing pieces is a constant issue for Mantic - broken stuff I guess happens with resin stuff but I’d prefer plastics all day long.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

Ooooohhh got me interested.... Love Mantic

[@BlackJackLegacy]

These really are great minis. They’ve got me tempted to start an Ogre army and I wasn’t planning on it until I saw them!

[@Mark-nh2hs]

@@BlackJackLegacy I had some of the old Mantic Ogres and they were good but these are way up there. Cannot wait to see what else they produce 👍👍👍

[@speeddemonpainting7050]

These do seem to look a lot better than their first generation of models... But I don't think I'll be getting into Kings of War. It just all feels too much like "store brand Warhammer"... While I already have my old fantasy armies. The setting, the style, it just all feels a bit too 90s GW catalog to me.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

I think that’s an old opinion that lots of folks had as it’s really where Kings of War started out. That’s not where it is any more but like the the “Mantic models are rubbish” outdated opinion it’s another thing that seems to follow them around even though it’s not true. 99% of folks who say that have never tried the game but base their opinions upon what they “heard” or thought it would be like.

[@majortom7186]

Other than historicals I can’t think of any games that don’t have female minis in their range.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

Not so much in the variety of a force for bigger scale games. They’re generally single sex factions. Take 40K for example. There’s females in the game but rarely mixed sex units and in some factions no mixed sex at all. They’re generally all male or all female. Skirmish games do mix it up but army scale games tend to throw in the odd female head here and there. They don’t really sculpt female bodies.

[@majortom7186]

@@BlackJackLegacy I think you are being a bit unfair to GW there. Yes, there are mono-sex factions (both sorts of marines, both sorts of Sisters, Custodes, Orks). Guard, Eldar, AdMech, GSC & T’au all have both sexes however, and Necrons & ‘Nids don’t have sex at all. Hell, you can make a good argument that marines are so far removed from human that they’re no longer sexed beings, and Orks are fungi.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

@Major Tom I think saying that Marines are anything other than only male is hardly a hill worth dying on. Should they be mixed sex? I think so but there’s a lot of folks feel very strongly about this one so you can’t say they’re not only a male faction at the moment. I’m not limiting this to 40K. Other army scale games generally don’t mix the sex of a unit either.

[@majortom7186]

@@BlackJackLegacy I only really know Legion and 40K, both of which do mixed sex units. I suspect that if 40K does, AoS will too.

[@BlackJackLegacy]

From experience with AoS there are female characters in Stormcast Eternals (as an example) but if you buy a box of 10 Stormcast core units they’re 10 male sculpted armour models. That’s what I’m getting at. Not that there aren’t mixed sex factions but that your main boxes of core troops are generally single sex (and most of the time all male). That’s why this Ogre box is a real change to have a male sprue and a female sprue. It’s unusual in that regard.

[@l200jjk]

Andy, is this a sponsored video? Did you know that Mantic are sending people marketing emails with a direct link to this video? I have no problems either way but I think you should be clear. I happen to disagree about the ogre sprews, I think they are average, I don't like the aesthetic. Too much going on. But on the whole YES! Mantic quality has dramatically increased from their old stuff. Especially their goblins and halflings. And, they remain very good value for money. Hats off to Mantic!

[@BlackJackLegacy]

No it’s not a sponsored video. I was given 2 sprues to take a look at (as were others) and I’ve given my honest opinion about them. Anytime I do a sponsored video I alway clearly mark it as so so you can see at the start of the video that it has been sponsored. Mantic, like any other company whose products I cover, are free to share my videos. Other companies have done the same when I’ve reviewed something and enjoyed the game/product. You’ll also see in that email they’ve shared other folks review videos too.

[@l200jjk]

@@BlackJackLegacy thanks for the concise and prompt reply. I love that you are promoting Mantic by the way. I genuinely think Kings of war is a fantastic game that deserves more coverage. Your access to Mantic and interviews with Ronnie and staff are brilliant. Something that is unique to your channel. Plus it's great to see a wargaming channel that does not pump GW for clicks. No hate though. I actually play a lot of 8th ed and have a lot (a lot!) of GW models. But its good so see the little guys get represented. Keep doing what your doing pal... Love from Wales... X

[@BlackJackLegacy]

I’m a big fan of Wargaming in general but the GW games just aren’t my cup of tea and so I try to cover the things that excite and interest me. I’m a huge fan of Mantics products and over the years I’ve been doing this and my channel has grown a little it’s given me the opportunity to speak to a lot of the folks in these companies (of which Mantic has been one I’ve been able to chat to frequently over those years).

[@Sammo212]

Is Kings of War dead? I was going to order some stuff and a local guy I know who runs a game store is trying to convince me its dead :D

[@BlackJackLegacy]

Not in the slightest! They’ve just released a 3.5 edition rulebook, new models releasing regularly and big plans for 2023. Some games may not be as popular in local areas but the game is growing all the time.

[@danm830]

Nope - getting bigger and better all the time!

[@Sammo212]

@@BlackJackLegacy That's what I figured :D

[@jjett350]

Female ogres. Great !!!! But how do I know how they identify?

[@BlackJackLegacy]

You could just try asking them.

[@phelyxz]

I never understand the hate the old mantic models get! I think they looked good to play an RnF system with! Plus I personally believe less details makes it less daunting to paint for beginners! I do know from myself I hate to paint OVER details but at the same time want to get done quickly... Anyway, I feel in love with the company because they had a great but simple system but also because they had an open system and also because they had cheap models. Well.... Now the models aren't cheap anymore. And the system isn't that simple any more. I hope they made the right call with that. But I'm still rooting for them! And I love the lore they produced so far

[@NotTheStinkyCheese]

it may not be as simple as it used to be, but damn does it feel good to have all the army lists available in the starterset/rulebook without having to wait to be able to buy the official one for the current ruleset ... (only for it to be outdated after release ... )

[@michaciemniewski9791]

Male/Female models is nothing new. Most soldiers are males for obvious reasons but there was always a place form females in wargaming. Thing that makes Mantic sprues stand out is that there are left-handed models. Naiads, goblins, EoD etc. etc.

[@Gumlass1]

Their newer armies are great, but there is still a lot of trash minis available ... so when buying Mantic, do your research. Choose wisely, and you'll not be disappointed!.

[@scepteredisle]

female ogres lol ok lmao

[@redhandtheblack]

I spent over £400 on building an enormous ogre army last year, I probably wouldn't have bothered if I knew those sculpts were coming out, they're a SIGNIFICANT upgrade. Kinda gutting but at the same time exciting because I'm eager to see what they put out next!

[@BlackJackLegacy]

They old ones aren’t bad by any stretch but these are a big improvement. I can’t wait to see what the future holds.

[@klauskristensen4608]

Time to build that 5000 points army then :D