The most misunderstood Monster of MHW Iceborne

[@ZennyHunter]

Since my original video I think my opinions here are much more substantialized, naturally I probably still have missed a point or 2 here so please let me know below! :)

[@schnader]

The first time I succesfully solo'd Alatreon felt incredibly satisfying, much more so than any other hunt in this game. I really liked how I had to adapt my playstyle and gear for this hunt specifically, it's an end-game monster after all. Honestly the best quest in Iceborne once you understand what you're doing.

[@ZennyHunter]

Honestly probably my favorite fight in the game at this point!

[@King-jw7dm]

I have such a love hate relationship with Ala here. I love the fight and the theme, but the elemental dps check honestly feels forced imo. Like whats wrong with just making a hard monster with No fluff about it. Its why i adore fatalis more as a fight cause he's peak difficulty to me, no uneeded raid/mmo type gimmick to warrant his difficultly, just big moves and hits hard and get rewarded for breaking the horn but it isnt necessary to win but it sure helps. I think it would have been healthier to make alatreons elemental moves even stronger and more varied but you get rewarded for causing a elemental topple with those moves now being reduced in effectiveness till he switches elements like how breaking fatalis horns nerf his fire (*which ironically makes more sense then breaking horn= weaker flame sac?!*)escaton judgment just kinda felt like the devs throwing a hissy fit to me which i kinda dont blame em due to the constant bombardedment of this "game too easy". Alatreon was perfectly fine in mh3. Was escaton really necessary?

[@ZennyHunter]

I do get that general sentiment, but also I love that this mechanic makes the hunt incredibly unique in world. Much like how you need to get partbreaks to keep Kulve in the arena, I just personally love how the fight gives us a little detour from the usual business. In a game filled with so much content, i think having one guy have a weird mmo type dps check is entertaining :) That's also where I think the "you love him or hate him" comes from, at the very least he certainly makes an impression!

[@NaiHmee]

So, here's my oppinion on this fight. As a person with PB of 9:50ish minutes (not speedrun worthy by any means) on both ice and fire Alatreon. The fight itself was really fun. His attack are extremely well telegraphed, and has one of the most accurate hitboxes in the game. A lot of his attacks are also literally a free damage window. And for elemental topple mechanic. Most weapon have their modifier adjusted so that they can have reasonable time hitting the topple. You don't necessarily deal more damage to Alatreon, but your elemental damages will contribute more towards the topple threshold (ie.Greatsword has 2× modifier, while dual blades got 0.7× iirc). Most people I've found not hitting the topple is playing too passively, they ran around and hit him in the back or body. This fight rewards aggressive, but not reckless or passive plays greatly. The issue lies the most with his introduction quest, and the MR lock. You get plop right down with no slinger pods, no buffs, and without any warning, its kind of unfair to the player that have never fight him before. You also shouldnt even be able to attempt him at MR24, he should be locked behind either 100 or 110. Overall, I found this fight even more fun than Fatalis. Theres no spammy moves with incredibly annoying hitboxes (Fatalis's slither move, bodyslam, and that freaking instant cone after tenderizing). It just a fair and fun one if you learn it properly. Thats where my take lies. (Edit: My PB on Ice Alatreon is now 7:03!)

[@Auvisome]

@@NaiHmee W take.

[@ZennyHunter]

100% agree, mr24 just confuses new players and yes the introduction quest doesnt give them the chance to understand what's even going on

[@ThomasLinkon]

I agree that the fight itself, once you learn it properly and know the mechanics, can be really fun. But it's not like the game does a good job of explaining any of it. As you said, each weapon has a different modifier for the topple, and that is completely hidden from the player. A good example is CB, which one would assume should hit as much SAED's as possible, since it is a very strong elemental attack after all. But no, SAED phials alone have a 0.1 modifier for the topple, which means you are better off using Savage Axe or normal AED's. The hitzones are also kinda fucked for Gunners, legs don't proc WEX and head isn't as vulnerable to elemental, so you either feel that you are doing no damage or that you are not contributing towards the topple. He also flies a tad bit too much, which feels awful when you are already on a tight clock if you want the topple and horn break. There's also the fact that even if you hit the topples and break both horns, if you don't end the fight fast enough there's no stoping him from changing to the 3rd element. Has never occurred to me, but I have seen it happen and I think it's silly since even if you are playing by the game rules, it can still just say "nah, but your build sucks". At that point, it just feels like the monster is the least of your concern, you are fighting against the game itself. I am not saying Alatreon is bad or unfair, but I will die on the hill that he would be a hundred times better if he didn't have so many artificial or hidden mechanics around him.

[@NaiHmee]

​​@@ThomasLinkon A very clear and valid take. You said it right elemental hitzone and modifier for gunner is straight garbage 0.1× on both LBG and HBG, while 0.7× Bow. Also, I agree that the game did a garbage job explaining actual mechanic of hitzones. World's Hunter's notes suck. It was also my fault. I shouldnt have assumed that every person that played this game will eventually reach the point where they won't cart to his normal attacks. Not everybody can spend all day learning his attacks. So, heres a few rework/rebalance I'd give to him: I think instead of just straight up gimping gun main and force them to go play another weapons they don't want to play. They should provide an alternative to elemental topple, like making the horns harder to break, but if you break it you can outheal Escaton just like elemental topple. The game should as well not have his ACTUAL hunt be the first quest you met him in. Like let him show off his ultimate first (just like how they did it with Safi, and have our hunter narrowly escape it.) So, they can have an a dialogue discussing how to deal with him, while also having a popup tutorial to explain how to fight him properly, with in-depth explanation about elemental modifiers.

[@mcnickies]

It's a black dragon and it's categorize as one of the most dangerous dragon throughout the whole monster hunter franchise. I've seen some comments here and there: "I wanna stick with my favorite", "anti-adaptability", etc. If you like your weapon so much and you also know that you are required to use an elemental weapon on a certain monster to achieve that effectice hunt, then.. why not fight your way through with your favorite weapon so that you'll be able to beat it with the weapon that has the requirements to fight the certain monster. I understand the term of "Raw is king" in MHW/IB because of how bad the element modifer here. Although, you guys have to understand, Monster Hunter is hunting game where you are also require to be able to adapt in some situations and also with a certain monsters. It's fine, I understand how hard the difficulty in fighting Alatreon for the very first time (Blazing Black Dragon). I've had over 2k hours and I played with my 2 saves. After I reach Alatreon with my 2nd save, I can feel the difficulty in fighting it. And in that case, I was using a pre-Alatreon set. I had to grind my way through the Legiana tree to get my ice elemental weapon. Frostfang Barioth is a good alternative but I'm sticking with the grind to prove my point. Sure, the grinding sucks, especially you need to get yourself some gems, or even mantles which is like one of the rarest items you can from a monster, but aside from grinding, I can also practice my weapon that I barely good at, which takes practice and lots of hunt. Time skips, after I get a certain set, we managed to slain Alatreon. I can feel the satisfaction in killing it cause how difficult the fight is, despite I fought it a lot in my 1st save. You can say I have a love and hate relationship with this, although the hate was just temporary, but in the end, I manage to kill it with the weapon that I barely use most (sns) and also knowing it's a special assignment quest (it has more health pool compare to the event quest's Alatreon), I also feel happier for myself and for my friends. Fatalis counts as a black dragon, I assume the reader already read the first few paragraps of my comments so I'm not adding more about how difficult the fight is. TLDR Learn to adapt, like or not, it's just how Monster Hunter meant to be.

[@ZennyHunter]

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this, back when I was a new player Alatreon/Fatalis made me quit the game in frustration, it was only earlier this year that I finally solo'd them both and yes 100% the satisfaction from beating them is an unmatched feeling :)

[@e-d3_4all0ut3]

Improvise, adapt, overcome.

[@JGuy97]

My primary complaint about Alatreon’s design is that the game itself doesn’t sufficiently explain the fight’s unique mechanics. It says that you need elemental weapons, that a horn break delays swapping to the opposite element, which element is ideal for each phase, and that you should heal during Escaton. However, it does not have information on which body parts are weakest to element, that dragon element is less effective than the Hunter’s Notes implies, and that each weapon has a unique elemental modifier to adjust for slower element output. The fight itself is great, but if you’re solely relying on in-game resources, you’re not getting all of the information that you arguably should.

[@ixIXW]

People hated how alatreon “forces” us to adapt to it. But that’s exactly WHY we’re hunters. We adapt, improvise, and overcome 🗡️

[@ZennyHunter]

Very well said!

[@Chibiarts]

As a person that came back to this fight after having a great pause from the Grinding Lands, i was dissapointed from the fight. After getting all necessary Upgrades i tried him and was like: "Nice i can repress now his Element.", i repeated it 3 times and than, he died... Monster Hunter Tri was my first Monster Hunter and Alatreon means a lot to me. So yeah i enjoyed the fight with having equipment for him that actually does something and doesent get you one shooted all the time. But it felt just like an "Get good equipment and you get a nice fight." It didnt felt challenging after i got the right Elemental Weapon and all that other stuff. Still i dislike escaton judgment. Its not so epic like Safis Big Attack or Behemoths Meteor from feeling, it has very nice Visuals but from the feeling its just an: "Well your done." or "Astera Jerkey + Heal and youre good", which in both ways doesent feel epic. This and the fact that i needed to hunt Low Rank Tobi and Legiana just to forge a Weapon i will use only for this fight made the Comeback of Alatreon more anoying than satysfing (in my case). After all i have to say that this fight just made me work way to much unecassary things to have one nice fight, with a Monster i really hoped i would love his return. I still think that MH Wilds would work so much better with this Alatreon. Having two weapons to react to his switch or having an extra Hammer to break his Horns would be so nice. Or maybe the People tell you before the quest: You will need Elemental Weapons, but because he is switching Elements you should take two different Elemental Weapons. I think a mechanic like this, who forces you to play specific Weapons is kinda meh, because it can lead just to an grind youre not willing to take, but it would be very cool to react to his switch in multipe ways, instead this constant race of hitting his claws and face in this one specific way.

[@lilremix]

me personally.. the difficult fight is whatever, coz fatalis is a difficult fight as well heres the difference.. fatalis gave good gears lol while i had to sweat a lot for both fights, which is out of my comfort, the sweat against fatalis is 100% more worth it, compared to alatreon. i had to learn a new weapon, make an entirely new build, do all that, just for this monster to give gears i wont ever use (coz i hate elem builds). this part is subjective, but even setting meta aside, neither of the weapons or armor looked good enough to warrant farming for layered equips. so for me, alatreon was just an annoyingly difficult fight, for absolute 0 return.

[@ZennyHunter]

At least his weapons look good for layered 👀

[@mo0k12]

This is a really bad take. You do not have to learn a new weapon to beat the element checks. Check the comments here, several people have clarified that you can hit the element checks no matter what weapon you are using because of the modifiers that are applied specifically for the quest. “i hate element builds” why? i cant comprehend that. do you not like the color of the hit effect when you hit the monster? just claiming its a bad fight because you “hate elemental builds” for no reason is a horrible argument. Also his dragon element weapons are top tier for dealing dragon elemental damage. his gloves come with at boost 3 and pp 3 which is fantastic for any weapon using Power prolonger and doesnt even require decorations to maximize its effectiveness. You could just admit that you dont like the fight because you dont care for challenging fights in video games. thats fine, theres nothing wrong with that. but say what it is rather than these dumb excuses.

[@lilremix]

@@mo0k12 its clearly established that some weapons just hit the threshold a lot harder than others, and i was playing gunlance at the time wasnt fond of the idea of having specific elemental builds against specific weakness, so i much prefer raw/status his dragon weapon being top tier meant nothing if i dont care for dragon weapons woulda closed an eye if it was peak perform instead of power pro also i didnt say that i hate challenging fights. i said i hate the ala fight coz its not rewarding enough for how challenging it is.

[@duckesome]

​@@lilremixthats crazy considering i beat him at mr 40-50 with a taroth ice gunlance and an incredibly off meta set, not even including raging brachy armour. it can be cleared at most stages of the game with a bit of prep, its always doable. rewards being mediocre i can understand but comparing anything to the power trip that is fatalis gear is a bit unfair. plus i enjoyed the alatreon gunlance for its free purple sharpness and wide 7, in fact i used it on my fatalis solo too

[@metroid1859]

I think a bigger issue for me is the limited scale of good elemental weapons. As you mentioned, there were only really 2 good sources of elemental weapons. But I would go further and say that the options that were available otherwise were either not that great or required extraordinarily specific builds to get any good use out of. A great example of this would be frostcraft which you can make an absolutely amazing great sword build with. The problem is, frostcraft was kind of a novelty at the time and still even today is, Making it very difficult to actually set up and win your first fight or even a few fights in with a build. If you didn't run any of those though you were basically out of luck as you had to either be a god to use the off element equipment or pray that whatever tree you were using for water or dragon had good element That's my take anyways..

[@jahovah2979]

there are fantastic ice weapons (which is the element you SHOULD use vs fire alatreon since water or dragon is nowhere near as effective) for each type youre using, even heavier slow hitting weapons that dont normally run element, frostfang barioth weapons are a popular and effective easy to acquire pick. Funnily enough frostfang was supposed to release before ala so perhaps if that did happen people back then wouldnt have complained as much. Players only playing and progressing through it now though have no excuse.

[@ZennyHunter]

Yeah overall my conclusion is that elemental damage as a whole needs fundamentally overhalling!

[@metroid1859]

@ZennyHunter something else interesting is how they scaled elemental damage... I actually like the idea of bringing up low element output weapons so they topple easier than normal... It is probably the only reason I was able to clear it with my main weapon lance... But on the other hand, knee capping weapons that deal elemental fast was terrible, my lbg friend suffered horribly

[@roar104]

@@metroid1859 there's plenty more than 2 sources of elemental weapons that give you enough elemental damage to beat alatreon easily. Add to this the fact you can put on 2 pieces of velk armor for crit element and the velk weapon is ice (which is the element needed for the special assignment) and there's zero reason for anyone not to have a good enough setup. If you don't want velk there's frostfang (which released after, but is similar on power to velk) or beotodus/legiana for many weapons. also, frostcraft, even at the time, isn't a novelty. It helps bump damage significantly for any slower weapon on low damage uptime fights. No clue where you got the idea it's a novelty. You can meet the threshold easy enough without any velk armor for crit element, no silver rath, no safi armor, no kt/safi weapons either. It really isn't that bad

[@MorganDeacetis]

The thing i dislike about this fight as someone who has yet to beat him, is that I can't learn the fight because he two shots me with every attack. I'm using full maxed out safi armor and yet i still die too quickly to be able to adapt to his attacks.

[@ZennyHunter]

My biggest issue when I was trying to beat him for the first time was that I spent more time healing than actually fighting him, this makes reaching the dps check wayyy harder and adds to the frustration. What helped me was watching speedruns, they really highlight where the openings are and how to avoid different attacks!

[@MorganDeacetis]

@@ZennyHunter yeah exactly. That's a good tip thank you!

[@mhzaneimpact1419]

Nowadays alatreon is now a comfort monster that I hunt once a day at least, but yeah alatreon is very predictable when you learn him, people got too used to having huge time limit letting them run around monster for several minutes and only swing like twice, restock on camp which alatreon restricts unless you cart, a check that isnt really much of a check if you got anything decent elemental or very strong raw/blast build, its a monster that basically is here to make you get better. While I get the hate which I didnt like alatreon on release too, but now? after learning where to hit and when to dodge and place myself its a breeze, a comfort hunt for me to be honest.

[@ZennyHunter]

At this point he's one of my favourite hunts in the game, when I don't know what to hunt I always end up going for him

[@jahovah2979]

btw slow hitting weapons that dont normally apply a lot of element are taken into account which lets all weapons comfortably hit the topple, GS, gunlance and hammer for example has a higher multiplier in contributing to the topple per attack whereas element biased weapons like CB and dual blades contribute less per attack so they dont completely rip through escaton topple even faster than they already doi

[@NaiHmee]

And still Kjarr Ice savage axe mode still only took around 6-8 proper hit to frontlegs to topple him.

[@Okamidrake01]

My only issue with the fight isnt the fact that its dps check requires element weapons, but rather that despite passing the check the escaton judgement can still instant wipe unless you aware ahead of time and know you need to use astera jerky to survive mainly because i feel like the point of the dps check in any fight that has that mechanic should be to stop the attack, not make it so its survivable but still capable of ending you rather quickly but i still fought and beat it solo still thinking overall its not terrible just could have executed escaton judgement better

[@ramika30898]

5:41 This is really wrong btw. Slower weapons like Greatsword, Hammer naturally has higher innate Elemental values on their weapon while Dual Blades is much lower in compensation for their elemental output potential. Your argument here only makes sense if a Greatsword from a monster has 50 Fire while its Dual Blades also has 50. But that's simply not the case. It'd more likely being Greatsword has 75 while Dual Blade is 35. Alatreon also has weapon-specific modifiers making certaint weapons even more effective at doing Elemental topple to it than other, with weapons like Dual Blade, Bow and Switch Axe receiving NEGATIVE modifier. Also Alatreon itself is not weak to elements at all, with its highest Elemental hitzone being 22 while its most exposed raw hitzones being 85 (Head) and 60 (arms). Focusing your build too much on Element can literally wall you out after the 3rd Eschaton if you havent killed it before it does the 4th because there would be no horn left to break, and you need enough RAW DMG to kill it instead. So no, the argument of "some weapons are better at doing elemental DMG!!!1" makes no sense when it comes to Alatreon's mechanics and winning conditions Gunlance is actually one of the easiest Alatreon matchup with the weapon itself has high elemental values on weapons, has fast attack speed, extremely easy time sniping both arms and head for both element and raw DMG while having +10% bonus elemental topply modifier. Please stop spreading around the insane myth that Gunlance is somehow "weak" or "underpowered". Gunlance vs. Alatreon with an elemental set up can get 2 topples within 30s with favorable AI and any Gunlance player complaining about this must be either trolling really hard, or don't really know how to play the game at all

[@ZennyHunter]

I did learn after the fact from comments about Alatreon specific scaling to each weapon which I didn't know prior (so you're absolutley correct there haha). But in general some weapons being more effective at outputting elemental damage than others is still true no? I understand that the DB value is lower than GS for example, but the point being is that dualblades also get way more hits per second (applying elemental multipliers with each hit) which results in elemental being way more effective with DB when compared to GS which simply favours raw damage - Same goes for bow right?

[@ramika30898]

@@ZennyHunter some weapons deals more elemental DMG than raw and vice versa is correct, yes. But your DMG have to consist of both elemental AND raw at the same time. Alatreon's topple threshold is very low (638 points of elemental DMG on solo) so that even without a dedicated elemental build you can still get the topple reliably if you played aggressive enough. So what you'd need is enough elemental DMG to get the threshold for Eschaton AND enough actual DMG to kill it. So for weapons heavily relying on raw Attack like Greatsword or Lance, you'd have better time KILLING it while harder time toppling, and the reverse with Switch Axe or Insect Glaive. For Bow Alatreon is a horrible matchup because Bow's DMG is quite evenly splitted between Raw and Element. But Alatreon's shot raw hitzone is terrible at the arm and the head while its elemental hitzone on the body (Shot's good raw hitzone) is horrible. So Bow deals crap DMG whether you go raw or elemental favored

[@mh_frieren]

i have skill issue fighting alatreon, pls help

[@ZennyHunter]

I'm pretty sure Alatreon has the skill issue when it comes to you hahah

[@leftyrpz7540]

After spending 30 hours grinding this fight not including the grind for the build, this is the biggest piece of shit fight I have done in all my time playing videogames! I'm glad I did it solo and don't have to touch it ever again! Honestly it ruined the game for me and gave me anxiety!

[@imfurrytrash6769]

the issue is the game NEVER explaining how elemental damage works. even with the elemental modifiers balancing each weapon, if you use the slower weapons such as great sword or hammer optimally you wont have the best time since with those weapons you want to bide your time to go for the big hits but because of how elemental damage works that just wont cut it. I shouldnt have to watch a 10-minute-long video explaining how elemental damage works when its pretty important info for beating monster

[@4zureSapphire]

My big problem was being required to bring element builds and not being informed of that at the beginning and in his hunter entry. I shouldn't have to look up the answer online to figure out how to fight alatreon when the information should've been more easily available in game.

[@ZennyHunter]

Agreed, the introduction quest needed to be better

[@ramika30898]

The game literally has a pop up tutorial telling you exactly the script of the entire fight right after the conversation with Field Teamleader LMAO????

[@ZennyHunter]

@@ramika30898 Keyword "After", the first time you attempt the quest you don't get this information before getting dropped into the thick of it right? Maybe I'm wrong on this by everyone seems to have this same experience.

[@ramika30898]

@@ZennyHunter no no. Right after the conversatiom with Field Team Leader at the round table, the pop-up appears. It happens before we take on Alatreon

[@yeetleskeelte3460]

It definitely feels like the barrier to entry for Alatreon, Fatalis and Raging Brachy are a bit too low, at least based on my observations of how newbies handle them these days I somewhat wish that they made Brachy have a MR 50 requirement and Alatreon and Fatty at 100 I lump brachy in because i still have randoms triple cart, and theyre the types of people who will blow through the game without much thought in their weapons or sets

[@ZennyHunter]

Nah I agree with lumping raging brachy in with them, he's clearly meant to be harder than tempered elders yet you can fight him way earlier. When I was a new player he absolutley pummeled me into the ground over and over haha

[@yeetleskeelte3460]

I think the MR requirement would also be helpful in shifting players to working on getting augments in the grinding lands, since I know a lot of people tend to neglect it until they reach Alatreon/Fatalis I think the devs learned their lesson though because Sunbreak's TU's have had a split, one accessible monster and one monster that's way harder and requires a higher MR, and I wonder if Wilds will follow a similar formula

[@Auvisome]

I beat Alatreon with Great Sword. The whole "my weapon not good element waaah" people use is not an excuse. Alatreon is designed to be fought aggressively, if you can't do that much then you don't deserve to beat it. People can literally beat him without element.

[@exiledwarden9598]

Alatreon actually has different element damage checks for all 14 weapons to balance out the issue. They evened the element damage per dps to each weapon (at least for Alatreon speciffically) so everyone has a fair fight.

[@Auvisome]

@@exiledwarden9598 yes. If you can’t even beat Alatreon with your main weapon, were you even good at that weapon to begin with?

[@NaiHmee]

True. Like, dude you are hitting his hind legs. His best elem hitzone is at his front legs, you'll never get a topple tht way! Be aggressive, but don't be greedy dang it.

[@mo0k12]

Based

[@Lianthrelle]

As a Gunlance main, I'm going to start with saying "Yes he is beatable with any weapon." But it is flatly untrue that all weapons are equal against him. Greatsword and gunlance (and some others I assume) were annoying because you needed a whole new build idea. Bowguns have such an extreme modifier that no one recommends elemental for Alatreon even though they do for other fights. CB however is so stupidly easy to get topples with you can get one in less than 30 seconds. He was fun, but that mechanic *could* have been done in a different way that wouldn't require elemental oddness. Horn breaks to weaken Judgement for example. It would limit you to two survivable judgements and impose damage and accuracy checks without needing a wonky system to try to balance elemental for slower weapons. You could even give him actually good elemental weakness if you want to encourage new builds if you wanted too. TlDR: love the fight, totally doable, could be better imo

[@theonewhouploadsnothing1704]

I have yet to beat Alatreon since his debut in IB but I have to disagree. He is the problem, or specifically his health pool with with EJ. Along with other minor issues which make his annoying aggression worse. His health is too high for how aggressive he is to feel like I’ve making visible progress on the fight. Sure I’ve topple him and broke both horns but he just moves on past that and kills me anyways. The rocks I’m supposed to wall bang him on are very inconsistent as he can just ignore them. His openings are nice but a few are bs. Such as his shift into dragon, he’s immune from being wall banged for no reason. Another is not really Ala himself but just an IB issue of him raging before it’s shown so I can’t WB him even on an actual opening if he spams rage. Back to his horns, him being able to shift after breaking both feels like grievous oversight. A punishment for following mechanics. Flying is a point off but that’s not new ground, although the smoke trick is bs because he never lands for me. Lost sight and everything solo but he just auto locks and ignores the smoke. All in all, his “minor” issues are tuned up too much to be a reasonable wall for people who don’t want to dedicate days to one monster. Heck Fatalis personally feels far easier and more rewarding of skill than Ala’s cheap gimmick and that’s with his own absurd health pool and air kill move.

[@totembandicoot1697]

its weird to see people argue about the Avatar dragon, i never play World but i know how ridiculous this black dragon class be Even in Old world, he is a true pain in ass without proper skills and gears its no surprise he goes into extreme mode of hell for newcomers

[@Someone_Somewhere7]

His Old World fight design is COMPLETELY different from the one in Iceborne. Even former Alatreon lovers throw shade on this version of him.

[@boxdynomite3]

There are thousands of people who can run a marathon. Is it safe for me to assume that everyone can run one just because it can be done? Many things take lots of practice to accomplish so I don't expect everyone to be able to beat every challenge. I'm not downplaying greatsword and gunlance users for beating alatreon despite the odds. We have to be able to analyze both the design of the encounter and the skill player separately. A skillful player can brute force their way through many challenges despite how badly designed they are.

[@ZennyHunter]

But I suppose my point is exactly that anyone CAN beat him, it's just that most players attempt to do it wayyy to early due it unlocking at MR24 instead of taking him on 50-100 hours later after they do get that practice and time to learn the game more thouroughly. I don't expect any new player to beat him on their first 10 attempts. If there was a list of requirements needed to be checked off before unlocking him, such as reach MR100, beat x tempered elder dragons etc. players would be much more equipped to fighthim on equal footing. I was a new player when he was originally released and went through the same frustration as everyone else, I only beat him solo for the first time earlier this year on my new save file so trust me I understand your perspective (I explain this a bit more in my other Alatreon video if you're interested). The beauty of Monster Hunter is improving as a player and realising his mechanic truly isn't all that annoying!

[@brojakmate9872]

Let me guess, you want Elden Ring to have easy mode 😂

[@tootalltoft35]

Alatreon is the best fight in world

[@ZennyHunter]

I love him so much as well!

[@tootalltoft35]

@@ZennyHunter I hope he returns at somepoint. It would have been a great fight in rise especially with elemental weapons being better.

[@dmgdisciple9680]

I never got the “It doesn’t feel like MH” argument, in regard to making a different set to beat it. In older games, you needed to get armor with tremor res, earplugs, evade window, etc. for certain monsters or they will be significantly more difficult. That’s when armor skills were scarce too. For most weapons in G rank in older titles too, elemental counter builds were better than a general raw set aside from a couple outliers. Building around a fight is the most MH thing possible.

[@ZennyHunter]

It always confused me to hear it as well, especially as it seems that a decent amount of players feel that way - I think he just took people out of the more linear mindset that world had at the time

[@Familiar2086]

Never got to this boss, grinded for 70h in iceborn early on to try and make a build only to find out I was using 2 types of the same element between armor and weapon so there was 0 synergy. I ended up just using my base game gear from nergigante to edge out my possible damage and got bored of the game because it felt like I couldn't build into anything useful.

[@Familiar2086]

I tried this with multiple armor sets, got very unlucky with my choices before realizing my playstlye wasn't supported in the dlc.

[@ImBigDoofus]

As it is not the point of the video but I still want to ask....... how do u fight Ruiner at MR70?? EDIT HERE: And also I want to give the best point of view I could since I just got it like a brain blast kidna moment. For me the idea came to a coincidence for capcom giving you a monster that places all the faith into the player and expecting him to take a step back and analyze the hunt itself at a very early point in iceborne. What is the player missing? Is he really ready for this sort of challenge? Is he willing to take the risk and frustation that comes with trying to do it without the "proper" equipment, at the very least it shows that preparation is the best thing that u can do and that for me defines MH as a whole. u cannot beat the monster? take a breather every now and then. simple quote from the original message at the begining of every MH game until world. think and prepare better for u to get better odds, improve on mechanics, check the monster for patterns u can simplified with the very "toxic" version Get Gud. At the very end everyone has a different opinion on how to handle every monster and with this headcanon I really like Alatreon since is the only monster that challenges u in the most important aspect for me. Since every monster in World and forward doesnt seem to have much value and they function just like a stepping stone to get to the better monsters < this might be a hot take idk.

[@junatanscott9457]

I'm not too fond of the elemental gimmick😾 , I had to use a different weapon with good elemental damage just to meet the dps check? wtf 😾?. It doesn't make sense why he can't be beaten with Raw damage, damage is damage! Anyways I was able to defeat him but it was not satisfying 😾because of the stupid requirements that you need to do

[@ameerhamza1116]

W vid man , love when you upload❤ (oil up at 1million subs?)

[@ZennyHunter]

Thank you mate, we'll add that one to the consideration bucket haha

[@ethanjohnson5085]

I never liked the idea of elemental builds because having to build around each monsters ele weaknesses and switching between builds every hunt seemed and still is very inconvenient for me. It was easier to pick my favorite weapon. Make my powerful build. And use that same build to play the game. I enjoy it that way. The fact that I had to go out of my way to make a build JUST for alatreon was just really inconvenient😭😭😭 especially since I was only fighting him to get to fatalis to upgrade my main raw build.