The Most Misunderstood Move In Guilty Gear Strive

[@anpandu]

i just find it kinda funny how 3 seconds after dizzy's preview dropped everyone was malding about this move like it was going to destroy the game lol

[@BlueLily342]

That's what happens any time a new character gets released tbh

[@TuMadre8000]

none of those people play the game lmao

[@BMVfilms]

To be fair the preview didn't exactly highlight the downsides. They knew what they were doing

[@anothenblue2630]

@@BMVfilms it did. The 10 seconds was and still is the main issue. Dizzy can kill people (or at least get them low enough for WoL to not contribute afterwards) or die herself before it goes off.

[@Kunnekun-ye2bb]

It still a good move to bait people to Bust out so it might not broke the game but it good for mind game because she can turn off and lose nothing .

[@Daniel-ut6lc]

I think the real power of wings is people shitting their pants when you've had it on for more than three seconds

[@Siberianhusky89]

People shitting their pants is a normal STRIVE player thing. Those people are little babies who want an easy way into an embarrassing example of a "fighting game".

[@porkt3887]

​@@Siberianhusky89and having an incomprehensible freak out in youtube comments is the mature thing to do?

[@Siberianhusky89]

@@porkt3887 Anything I like, enjoy or look forward to and hope to see evolve or have a future gets wiped out for the sake of mass appeal in a stressful world where people treat each other horribly and the same type of people consistently get what they want. Why would I care about being mature at that point?

[@porkt3887]

@@Siberianhusky89 they added rollback to xrd, you could play that instead of writing villain monologues. maybe acting like a goblin isn't the best way to garner respectful discussion, if you're tired of people being mean

[@Siberianhusky89]

​@@porkt3887 So I'm a villain for telling the truth. What does that make you? A piece of crap that comes off like a hero because you're manipulated easily? Does that mean the concepts I liked about this series are going to evolve instead of being abandoned? Does it also mean there will be room for people like myself in future fighting games? Why should I be nice to someone like you? A person who just straight up called me a goblin? You want to talk about respectful conversation, but here you are being disrespectful. Now, every fighting game is the same crap. Appealing to one type of person. Unfortunately, these people are bred like rabbits. So there's no chance for anyone like or anyone who has something in common with me, to see any evolution for what they enjoy. But yeah. That's completely fair. Just gotta give the majority of people what they want since they all have the same mindset and aim for the lowest bar.

[@Brakyura]

to be fair even if you barely ever get to actually use the move the utility of having that threat cant be understated. feel like games can be won purely because the opponent starts tweaking out cuz they think you have some wings of light play in ur pocket

[@evansabir1175]

Implied threat is an amazing tool

[@tinnguyen5055]

And it force them to be less patient during block strings and easy to shimmy. Since you landing a throw is huge and it force their hand to try to throw tech allowing you to combo.

[@gamelord12]

Yeah, it was strange that he didn't mention the mental damage, which is my favorite part. It puts the pressure on your opponent to rush you down, even if you created a zoning situation that makes it a bad idea.

[@ArmoredNeko]

I think when you put up wings in pressure your OP is heavily incentivized to mash or throw instead of the usual FD to push you away, there are a ton of mind games here.

[@silverdededestruction2197]

@@gamelord12 Mental damage is never shown in the scoreboard, but you can sure as hell feel it as the sender and the receiver of it

[@Whomp67Oh]

ArcSys bothered to bring this Boss-only, borderline Instant Kill move back, nerfed it by making it extremely situational and nowhere as broken as it was as a Boss-only move in XX, and yet people still doom posted about it. There’s no winning with certain people.

[@LecorbakOfficial]

why not just not giving boss moves at all ?

[@Gamerclouds]

​@@LecorbakOfficial cause that wouldn't be as cool 😎

[@webbacon7106]

we lost bubble for this

[@AB54099]

The best part of wings is the psychic damage you do to your opponent. If they're not all there, the opposition is going to panic.

[@rakshithanand8262]

Wing of light is, to me, a very ‘rich get richer’ move, in that it takes a situation you are already ahead in (high tension enemy no burst) and makes you go from dangerous to an absolute menace. The big problem is that Guilty Gear is already so lethal that there will be few situations that the damage done by wings of light can’t also be done with a normal combo, especially if you cash out for gamma ray. With that said, this is THE option that will let you live in your enemy’s head rent-free, you can bait an unwise burst or mash losing nothing yourself except a slight reduction to your oki. Under those circumstances it becomes really good.

[@Timmcd]

She doesn't have the ability to spend RC to mix outside of 5D, so her meter usage is already significantly worse than the best characters. Most chars just spend the 50 to unreactable 50/50 you from their block pressure, whereas she can't do that and has to setup a 637 frame move to accomplish something similar.

[@greedsin555]

I think people are rely underestimating how strong it is to force YRC of burst out oof people reminds me of how Romolla kept talking about how half the potential of a move is in it's threat

[@silverdededestruction2197]

scaring an opponent so badly that they forcefully use one of their resources they were reserving for escape or even for their offensive pressure is pure mindgames. And the fact that you can play into it or not is really what sells it

[@deadpool569]

How i played launch Axl. No one wants to stop blocking when One Vision is primed, so you can use 624H or just run up throw/bait throw sweep

[@nahuel3433]

I think that even if it doesn't kill you are still getting your value's worth out of it. It's free outside of a short animation before activation and after a few seconds you bet your ass your opponent is going to try and mash you out of it which you can use against them. Sure you may choose to RC or reversal super rather than let the wings pop, but you still got that pressure to mash on them AND used another better option for the situation. It's free mental real estate.

[@OccuredJakub12]

Yeah I wanted to comment the same thing The reward for Wings of Light 90% of the time isn't the damage, it's the mental stack. You're conditioning the opponent to mash and take risks while you give up nothing really of your own aside from better pressure on oki, which, you still have really good pressure and can punish overwager enemies

[@porkt3887]

the biggest downside is if they manage to get out of range and dizzy ends up losing meter without doing significant damage. not the most common, but wings can put her in some hard to come back from positions

[@nahuel3433]

@porkt3887 That can be a big one yeah. But you can also mitigate it by canceling early. Still a loss but maybe not a terrible one. Hell if you see the writing on the wall you can cancel before actually losing

[@-Mothy-]

People often forget that posibilities are scary in fighting games. If you are fighting a Potemkim, you are always going to be scared of the PB, even if he uses it once during the whole match

[@enderg1196]

As a Potemkin player, I agree.

[@thewizardexploded8924]

The thing that's interesting and valuable about wings isn't the damage, it's the response it provokes from the opponent. It doesn't have that damage potential so that it can actually deal it; the damage potential is only there so that the opponent wants to do something to avoid it. Wings' meta isn't going to be about setups to get it off, it's going to be about ways to exploit the opponent's response.

[@leithaziz2716]

I find Wings of Light a fun "Intrinsic Motivation" type of special move where I like challenging myself to land the move. It's fun when it works because it's an alternate way to win that requires a different approach in playstyle and tactics. And Dizzy has enough powerful tools and screen-control that the move doesn't feel necessary, just fun. I find her "Laser Beam" Super to fit the same niche. You'll likely prioritise Tension for RC, but it's hype to land the Super and clutch a win.

[@unrighteous8745]

In all of my matches I've never been hit by wings of light. The stupid freeze move though? 500 times? And then the stupid ice field stopping all of my ground movement against a zoner; chef's kiss. You're frozen for so long you may as well get a cup of coffee while Dizzy gets the wall break.

[@Timmcd]

Remember you gain more tension and burst than Dizzy does on hit if she freezes you.

[@BudewFan_]

I can’t wait for the general populous of players to figure out she’s more of a setplay mixup character and not a zoner, she’s so much more fun AND effective if you use ice and fish to set up mixups rather than to zone

[@unrighteous8745]

@@BudewFan_ I call her a zoner, but that's how you play zoners in this game. You can't really kill people with projectiles when everyone two touches you. You have to use the projectiles to get in and start mix.

[@BudewFan_]

@@unrighteous8745 that explains a lot of the discussion around her, makes sense but its kind of weird to have a game specific definition of zoner, especially when Axl is a pretty standard normals zoner

[@eebbaa5560]

@@BudewFan_ this is why axl is the least tilting zoner to face. projectile zoners in this game are so miserable to play against

[@takitacco1041]

dizzyphone taking queen dizzy to evo 2025?!?!?

[@brandonsellers1076]

BBL Dizzy! 😂😂😂

[@rookbranwen8047]

I figured someone would find a WoL TOD eventually, the best part is you don't even need full meter to start since you can still build meter in the combo before they activate. The biggest issue with WoL IMO is that most of the time you could probably replace them with an RC or Super and get equally good results.

[@twofu967]

your editor is kinda goated

[@greedsin555]

Who ever would have guessed the complex set up tool needed time to be labed out I swear to god every time a new character comes out and people start saying this is broken or this is bad they need to just shut it and wait you don't know what's good until like a month later

[@flipperjr.3822]

Even if it doesn't do much/any damage, it *can* scare your opponent into burning a resource (burst or tension) in order to land some kind of hit on you to prevent otherwise guaranteed damage

[@CosmicRPG]

The hard part of WoL is the amount of time to evade the opponent hit you during 10 sec.

[@fallonrishiva7841]

Especially with YRC and burst also counting

[@PauloQueirozJS]

@@fallonrishiva7841 you still can bait desperate YRC and Burst

[@DeertickDaniel]

You physically can’t evade, you have to lock them down

[@mathewhaight]

What I don't understand is why are you evading. The optimal way to use it is to set it up after a hard knockdown and use the wake up pressure to keep the person locked into a blocking stance.

[@someaccount5200]

10 seconds is a long time in strive

[@thaihungphan7255]

0:28 I know pretty well about competitive yugioh and I must say alternative win condition decks are very much a meme decks, like exodia deck is mostly use for the giggle no one actually use it to win tournament.

[@Eggwo]

Wings of light would kinda be like Gimmick puppet ftk before the banlist hit

[@Butterfreeftvr]

A really pretty move that deals damage without dizzy herself having to do damage, extremely underused it takes time to get going

[@Voxoono]

That's a neat thumbnail haha friggin good

[@sauceinmyface9302]

Kinda feels like wings is, for the most part, a move where you sacrifice oki but get to apply more pressure to your opponent. They'll be more motivated to swing at you or burn resources to get rid of it, which could overall give you advantage throughout the round, even if wings never pops. Overall though, it kind of feels like this tradeoff isn't worth it most of the time, since Dizzy has so many other moves to be using. Sacrificing a dagger, fish, or ice floor doesn't seem worth it most of the time.

[@terry.1428]

Fire thumbnail

[@pian-0g445]

I think it’s pretty interesting how certain tools Dizzy have a designed to spend time. Like her gran having a long animation. And her first 50% ult being able to hold the enemy for some time before it does it’s final blow. I wonder how her game plan will develop, because her zoning is pretty much figured out, but the wings are taking some time.

[@amphal4467]

even goddamn gamma ray being an unblockable movie

[@krnprsd498]

⁠@@amphal4467 If you stay in the air and avoid the hitbox entirely she only uses 50 meter and doesn’t go into the animation. Also gamma ray doesn’t really have any synergy with wings since you use all your tension

[@amphal4467]

@@krnprsd498 not true (i think), my friend jumped over me to test it out and it still played the whole ass movie while slayer stood behind her and I'm just talking about the "designed to waste time" part

[@nonmagicalwitch]

I think it's also good as a deterrent to desentivize your opponent from engaging when it's, like, 8 seconds in

[@true7563]

Doesn"t it INSENTIVIZE them going in?

[@Duarte_GB]

I think he kinda glossed over all the times he activated wimgs and forced the oponent to do something about it often risking themselves.

[@vatekanore3756]

With how well Dizzy can control the field, forcing the opponent to come to you is really good, even if it doesn't come off

[@LecorbakOfficial]

the community : "this move can't hurt you, it's just a joke move" the joke move :

[@Ethan-yd4gn]

The strongest aspect of this move seems to be the sheer mental pressure of "oh god i need to get those wings off of her"

[@noro_2520]

Lmao my TOD clip made it into the video. I just wish that WoL wouldn’t go away from a Throw Tech

[@someaccount5200]

The threat of it forcing the opponent to burn a resource or mash or throw is very powerful

[@onipocaa]

Some people discover that move don't even need full bar to TOD ,you just need a few meters to begin to TOD because she can build meters while wings activation .Soon this move might be become more problem because alot of tech with it now

[@campfire9760]

WOL is a really cool concept honestly because making it work is pretty cool, and forcing a reaction is huge

[@osricen]

I'm sick of activating this by accident.

[@someaccount5200]

You tea bag or something or is Strive's input buffer window just makes accidental usage happen sometimes

[@isyf1523]

I still believe that wings is a pretty good move even if I won't probably use it most of the time because I don't have the skill to consistently land a long combo to confirm it, but, using it some times, specially when you opponent is below 50% hp, could work just to induce fear into the enemy, making them get mistakes more often than usual.

[@PonManache]

Ryougi shiki will be added to guilty gear strive Mark my words sheeple, March 6th, 2025......

[@LecorbakOfficial]

but can she kill servants ?

[@Fatih120]

mod uni2 instead

[@bchaozgamer4282]

I'd like you to give it a couple more weeks to roll out all the bumps to optimize wol usage, I think it has potential.

[@mathewhaight]

I am not going to act like the move is completely broken, but it's weird how much people are trying to downplay it, where they actively mention specific scenarios where it's not optional, despite people already showing how to make it optimal. It's like they know how good those setups are and are trying to make sure that arcsys doesn't get wind of it.

[@LecorbakOfficial]

imagine having a character all about zoning and making the opponent waste a shit ton of time with long combos, long pressure, very long grab and the possibility to just freeze your opponent, and mix that all together. imagine having a move that requires 10 seconds of preparation with such a character and where it has already been proved to be usable in real combos that are longer than 10 seconds. "nah it's too bad, people are overreacting", "nah it's too situational". and those people will be the first ones to shit on the character and on the game overall, and will say that the game is "broken" and "not worth playing anymore" when there will be multiple dizzys abusing this "bad move" at EVO. imo, i'd rather have a dizzy with better movement, like in the previous game, than a move that removes the life bar of your opponent without doing anything. even if the move is "situational" and shouldn't be used on every single matches, if this "situation" means you get an instant win, then the move is broken, because you'll get more wins overall. just because you are bad with wings of light and can't use it properly, this doesn't mean the move is bad, this just means you suck with dizzy. I think the move will be very strong against characters with very high hp as it'll help lower their hp and the fights against them are generally longer, which means more situations for using it. which means, pot is in danger now.

[@IXIZeno]

can anyone tell me the name of the song playing from 11:15 onward? it sounds so familiar but I can't placed it

[@CasteHappy]

It's from Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's World Championship 2011. The name of the song is "000c SEQ_DU_R_01", the site where I downloaded it from just used game's files names lol

[@Linosek279]

Welcome back mamudoon

[@Cerbyo]

do a video about the wild assault ice skating, so funny.

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

It causes people to run into your range so you can try and gip them.

[@kukrushkant]

weeeeh new diaphone video! :)

[@renookami4651]

Streamers: "You can do X, Y, mix-up, Z, RC, lots of cool stuff" Playerbase: "Or I could roast chestnuts...LOTS of chestnuts" Non-stop nuts november strat for the win! xD

[@willgoodwin9867]

I think the point of the move is to force defensive options from the opponent. If they don’t change how they play to get rid of them, they die

[@duelversebeyond]

If you were going to do the Yu-Gi-Oh card joke, you should’ve used the actual Yu-Gi-Oh card called wings of light.

[@SoberRamen]

what does it do?

[@duelversebeyond]

@@SoberRamen During the Main Phase: Add 1 "Supreme King Dragon" or "Supreme King Gate" Pendulum Monster from your Deck to your hand, or if you control "Supreme King Z-ARC", you can Special Summon it instead. You can only activate 1 "Wings of Light" per turn.

[@SoberRamen]

@@duelversebeyond I like your funny words magic man. Well uh is it some kind of win condition?

[@gabagool4255]

GGs I was the Potemkin :D (real)

[@pedropimenta896]

I'm a simple man, I see Dizzy I click.

[@kungusrungus2133]

Just have max resources and land your best starter CH and somehow have your opponent still have more than half their health left

[@Kunnekun-ye2bb]

Can you do super when Wing on ? If she can ,that might be a problem because it buy her alot of time , especially low HP

[@mythcat1273]

I love how everyone was like "holy shit guilty gear is doomed wings of light is so op!!!!" And I've seen it actually used without it getting canceled by a hit or something like 3 times even with all the gameplay I've seen of her

[@yaboy804]

The move is good, not for it’s crazy damage, but because it forces your opponent to do something or face that crazy damage.

[@literallygaminglmao]

Is 10 seconds enough to wings of light wait (or like dash back) to engage in a ice fireball to go in and possibly get a 50/50 of wings of light hitting?

[@Abaddon_Narukami]

I honestly think pot is good against Dizzy

[@LightningCayo]

I manage to get Wings of Light to pop off and kill my opponent, winning the match. Playing keep-away to get Wings of Light to go off sure was “fun”.

[@maxrosefoxanime7225]

10 sec to lunch a skill in a fighting game is wild

[@Ikaros0153]

I see. All you need for wings of light to be worth it is a dp punish after corner pressure into a corner to corner combo and then it tods... wait, that's not good at all

[@mercurexi]

"Actually !"

[@someaccount5200]

Half a move's potential is the threat of it. But Dizzy has better options she could be spending her time on than Wings

[@tek_lynx4225]

considering how broken her air game is I've yet to see a single dizzy abuse super jump to waist time and get it out.

[@amphal4467]

how is her air game broken? genuine question

[@Cathidy]

She’s just a 2056 character yall haven’t unlocked her yet I KNOW

[@probablydeadoof19]

i would say a character being out for like a week would cause their moves to be misunderstood 😭

[@LecorbakOfficial]

yep, the move is way more powerful than people are thinking

[@asmodyan]

I swear every matchup in GG Strive is annoying and tilting, but fighting Dizzy is on a whole new level to the point i want to rage quit after losing or winning, and that's have little to do with Wings of Light

[@Jahmirrr]

I was just gonna ask u bout this 😭

[@ricardoludwig4787]

The move doesn't exactly seem good, but it's probably gonna be great at getting the opponent to panic or otherwise act predictably

[@stefanobrucculerihartley3317]

cool video, cool game

[@runifuceeme406]

MAKE YOUR OPPO EARLY BURST, THEN POP IT..

[@javiderivia4224]

Genius...

[@Siberianhusky89]

So where's the depth? WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST?!

[@cheryymonsoon8904]

this video is either gonna run wings of light into the ground as one of the msot downplayed moves in the game or get people to actually learn how to use it which will lead to another mass coping session with dizzy haters

[@saxtonnova]

it is really good if you get a CH 2h from full screen hahahaha

[@plabcentral630]

Look I might be wrong, but can’t you kill people in like 2 interactions in this game? This move just does not seem that nuts to me.

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

Wings the forbidden one

[@wispyone3702]

I think the meter requirement is the bullet that makes this move one of her worst (still honestly alright). It doesn't do much damage unless you have about 80+ meter, and if you have 100 then you could just fish for Spike > Gamma Ray which actually keeps your competency in the neutral game and keeps your options open for RC or Imperial Ray. If you made wings of light deal more damage per meter I think it would have the better chance of seeing use, though still a really mid special move.

[@DestroyDEI]

Ain't no misundarsting bs

[@tangofoxtrot40]

This man is handsome and has very nice lips

[@irvingchan5451]

another quality video thanks a lot ❤

[@Mudkkipzz]

Lmao I had no idea Mang0 had played Yugioh

[@purplex4065]

Honestly wings of light can be used to do some very hard reads

[@Mr.Faust3]

Wings would be stronger if burst wasn't full screen

[@LecorbakOfficial]

forcing a burst with a move that costs literally nothing but time is already pretty strong imo.

[@wisdomseeker0142]

So can this wing mix be escaped then? . Apparently Baaru has a god like dizzy and… this move looks very difficult to get out of even after what you’ve shown . kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZWahWWchpWqmassi=lcnmvrnSLsOKCL_Q

[@benji-menji]

Just don't forget WoL not getting damage makes it a wate. If you have it charging and have meter, the opponents now has a new potential threat they should respect. You can beat their options if you expect them to try and stop wings even if they succeed.

[@drizkie9361]

dia party boy, get some sleep lol

[@byejimmy8645]

W

[@falion609]

🐟⬅️➡️⬅️

[@AnAngelineer]

I think it should be weaker, dealing much less damage per second, but activate faster. That would turn it into a "chip your opponent health a bit each time, with more reliability" move, instead of a "the most risky gambit ever, but if you land it, you win the game" move. I'm pretty confident the fact it drains meter and can still be interrupted by hitting Dizzy, both before and after wings "fire", would keep the move in check if it was changed this way. (remember : damage would be much slower, so if you interrupt activated wings quickly, you wouldn't take much damage at all) It would make it much less of a knowledge check for your opponent, and an actually reliable move. One worth sacrificing fish oki for, and that you can actually land on an opponent who knows what he's doing.

[@sleepfgc]

The 10 second WoL is much more fun as no one wants to get hit by easy unblockables. Its just enough time for the panic to set in, but not too short where she could use it every time you block anything.

[@Timmcd]

"the most risky gambit ever, but if you land it, you win the game" What is risky about it

[@CodeTetsu]

If it did less damage I don’t know if it be worth using because you would just be hitting your opponent throughout the match at that rate.

[@AnAngelineer]

@@sleepfgc 5 to 7 seconds is still pretty dang long in Guilty gear. When i say "faster", I don't mean a time so short you could get it every time either. And as seen in the videos, a full tension WoL can deal nearly 65% of lifebar. If it were 7 seconds, but only 45-50% damage for full tension, it would still be worth it while been much less a "once in a blue moon" thing. I'm not a pro gamer, but I'm pretty sure the numbers could be adjusted so a 7 seconds WoL could be worthwhile yet balanced. IMHO, numbers could even be adjusted by 5 seconds. But here I can understand some people would think it's too toxic.

[@sleepfgc]

@@AnAngelineer The move being a "once in a blue moon" is what makes it fun. Idk about you but making it any more consistant (even if we lower the damage) would just suck the fun out of it. 50% hp is still a lot of health and in essense a checkmate situation. If she wins the first half of the round (50% hp combo + wallbreak) she'll have 100 tension in no time (and you'll have 50% hp). And considering how long her combo/oki/dagger pressure take, 5-7 seconds of delay is just way too short. It would actually make it less balanced in this case.

[@zachstarattack7320]

The most misunderstood move is the one arxis makes where they constantly nerf ZATO and keep him as bottom tier

[@ThePoodle]

The most misunderstood move is the one ArcSys makes where they don't publish the 10 volume Sol x Ky yaoi

[@zachstarattack7320]

@ThePoodle alright... tbh... i have to concede on that

[@3babylon3]

holy shit youre here too lmao

[@zachstarattack7320]

@@3babylon3 hi! hi! I love to be recognized

[@kjorr1549]

damn, sure wonder how "The Most Misunderstood Move In Guilty Gear Strive" is a move that came out roughly a week ago on a new character. Not like people barely had a weeks worth of time to even use the move

[@malvora]

it’s not the deep man

[@amphal4467]

because people were freaking out over it much more than other dlc moves for no reason

[@LecorbakOfficial]

and after a week, they already have setups that remove 80-100% of the opponent's life bar in one single combo with her. "nah, it's a weak move"

[@amphal4467]

@LecorbakOfficial dude this is strive, like 85% of the cast can do that with full bar and full burst out of a counterhit H starter in the corner she could probably do the same thing with gamma ray instead of WoL and it would be more effective and you can just burst out if you somehow find yourself in that ridiculous situation

[@LeBrebaDuh]

even if its ass, no unblockables should exist in a competitive environment, its that simple.

[@runifuceeme406]

HOW TO PROPERLY USE DIZZY'S WINGS OF LIGHT: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZWahWWchpWqmas

[@Shadowlet]

Such a boring character

[@Kafkas_Coat]

BBL DIZZY!