The Most Tragic Episode of Star Trek: Voyager

[@IronFanJoe]

I would have liked a throwaway line a while later, with Tom and Harry discussing trading with some aliens and that the aliens having sworn they'd met Voyager several months prior.

[@adamweisshaup]

What made this episode so much more impactful is that from their prospective, they went through the 'hell' that was the Demon planet only to succumb to that fate as a result.

[@sureshmukhi2316]

I just happened to rewatch this episode just about two weeks ago. Truly a tragic episode. About them not remembering they were duplicates, remember in the episode "Demon", the duplicate Tom and Harry did not know they were duplicates so there is precedent for that.

A remarkable, philosophical episode with the courage of not succumbing into a happy ending.

[@razorwire5682]

I was gutted for them at the end... Sad episode. Nice review btw! 🖖

[@meggi8048]

came yesterday in tv, so sad. they existed , and nobody ever will know.

[@thehouseoftenwins685]

Wonderful episode. The good old days of Star Trek.

[@kbanghart]

And good new days of Star trek

[@deathstrike]

If they were capable of copying a pattern, I hate to say this but another possibility existed. I guess it wasn't thought of, but the duplicate Seven of Nine would possibly have the necessary components to send out a signal to perhaps summon a Borg ship. And as fast as they are, it shouldn't have been long to reach them. A Borg ship finds them (hopefully a cube as they have a massive drone population) and the mimetic beings only need to be "assimilated". After that, it's only a matter of duplicating their DNA to recreate themselves and exploit the Borg''s technology to not only stabilize themselves, but perhaps make their bodies permanent though the Borg nanoprobes as they constantly repair a drone.

[@kbanghart]

Possibly, but we'd have to assume the Borg would assimilate them. If the Borg were able to tell the silver goo wasn't sentient, they may say forget it. Also, Seven did mention they tried the nanoprobes.

[@treefarm3288]

I just watched this episode, and wondered what others thought about it. It was very good. However was it this substitute ship and crew we have been watching for a number of episodes? It seems so, as when we see Tom Parris in the 'real' Voyager at the end, he has two pips on his collar, suggesting his demotion took place on the replica ship. Thanks for the video.

[@zyxyuv1650]

This is the scariest episode in all of Star Trek history. It's even more disturbing to see the crew keep hope alive and keep trying to survive despite the hopeless inevitable outcome. Hope in the face of hopelessness, till the very end. It makes you realize that sometimes you lose. Despite giving it your all. The voice of the disintegrating Voyager Computer is genuinely frightening because it's an auditory representation of entropy increasing towards total loss. The loss of the time capsule makes this more realistic, reminding us that many people have died in vain without any record of their history or struggles. Most people can't deal with it. You have to deal with it, it might help you to avoid a loss.

[@i-primeproductions1517]

It was depressing but seeing 7 of 9 cry when her drone companion sacrificed his life for her was probably even more difficult to watch.

[@gerrydeegan4000]

The one where they all melted

[@Captain.AmericaV1]

I was rooting for them to get back to the demon planet in time.

[@musicalaviator]

I was holding out hope they'd get enough of a message out that real voyager would know what they were. But even that was snatched from them. In the end literally nobody ever knew they even existed

[@JAYRODo420o23]

Ya, they can sugar coat the episode all they want, them losing that beacon at the end just seemed unfair, all the hell they went through and the only thing Voyager remembers is a distress call and a cloud of dust, hell of Kim or Chakotay would have figured out the composition of the cloud matched the composition of the life forms on the Demon planet (just as his duplicate figured out when Torres died, then at least duplicate Voyager would have been acknowledged. Instead all the real Voyager crew knows is that their duplicates must have lived happily ever after on the Demon planet. Such a sham. I mean shame?

[@kbanghart]

​@@JAYRODo420o23I see it the other way, that sometimes life isn't fair.

[@JAYRODo420o23]

@@kbanghart still sucked 😕

[@kbanghart]

@@JAYRODo420o23 disagree

[@DaneK-m8h]

The writer of this Voyager episode tried as hard as he could to jerk tears out of the viewers but never heard of subtlety.

[@TheNoclipSociety]

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[@misterlau5246]

Problem is, since something seems to be disintegrating molecules, the air should break down before a metallic hull or a person

[@musicalaviator]

Who says it wasn't?

[@misterlau5246]

@@musicalaviator they didn't have any trouble with the air, among other effects, igniting

[@kbanghart]

​@@misterlau5246Janeway copy orders the environment changed to help them. We'd have to assume they would keep it under the threshold of igniting.

[@cashflowhustles]

Yeah I forgot how sad this episode was. It made their lives and Existence a total waste.

[@NickBelis]

Cry me a river episode.

[@Daimo83]

This episode is the absolute worst of the "reset button" trope Voyager did. The least the producers could have written was that the message bouey got through. Alt Kim deserved recognition - they all deserved to have their stories preserved. But since nothing was found, you might as well skip this episode entirely.

[@silikon2]

This was easily the bleakest Voyager episode, but there's a great deal of depth here. Likely, ultimately, the fate of Voyager's duplicate is no different than the real Voyager's... ultimately, nobody will remember the real Voyager anymore than the duplicate. It also raises deep questions of identity... what's the real difference between a duplicate and what's "real"? The fake Janeway's determination to get Voyager to Earth seems ridiculous except if you consider that their desires are real, even if they're fake. The duplicate Voyager and crew returning to the demon planet to be an undifferentiated blob of goo is itself a form of death. There is also the fact that this is a powerful depiction of a justification for the Prime Directive, albeit unseen. Voyager giving their forms/dna/etc to the goop ultimately resulted in the destruction of the goop.

[@Daimo83]

@@silikon2 You make a good point. If Kim's buoy launched there would have been a possibility for some self reflection at the end of the episode: 'maybe we made a mistake'.

[@kbanghart]

​@@Daimo83I disagree, I think it's a great episode. And with the bouy, you mean if the real Voyager found it, they would realize they made a mistake with their DNA in the demon planet?

[@kbanghart]

​@@silikon2 Hmm.. I disagree or maybe just need clarification on a few things. Why wouldn't people remember the real crew, if they remain alive? The fake Janeway's resolve to get home I interpret as the goo wanting more, since they became sentient. But returning to the Demon planet meant they could keep that sentience, not return to goo. Voyager didn't willingly give their DNA to the goo, but I get what you mean. The only way the goo would have been able to survive in that form is if they built a permanent reminder, so that every time they forget, they would realize they can't just leave the Demon planet without taking other steps.

[@Daimo83]

@@kbanghart Yes, if they found it there would be some repercussions. Like at the end of "Timeless" when Kim sent himself a message, which was a heartfelt moment. Something this episode was missing.

[@MrOzone-hc1py]

Most pointless and depressing episode

[@kbanghart]

Disagree, I love it