The MOST TRAGIC Primarch | Angron & The World Eaters | Warhammer 40k Lore Explained

[@AurelianPainting]

YES finally someone actually talking about how angron was supposed to be a "healer" people forget this fact and it makes angron a tragic character

[@gahngis8158]

This. Finally.

[@jacobweatherford4696]

Yes if angron hadnt landed on that damn planet hed have become one of the best primarchs and wouldnt have been soo full of rage.

[@sgtshortstack578]

Yeah I felt no pity when he came back to that planet and burned it to the ground, the revenge he deserved for what those monsters did to him. I love Angron, one of the few who's story brings tears to my eyes.

[@TheSoldier02]

Angron might have had an ability to take pain from others, but he was never meant to be a healer look at those chosen to be in his legion from Terra. The most aggressive, most competitive, and most brutal barbarians clans were chosen for the 12th none of those traits sound like they belong to a healer. The emperor build the legions to the point where the terran born marines would adapt almost perfectly to those born on the primarchs world it would be strange if he did it for everyone else but not angron

[@peateargriffin9932]

The story of his sons nails only makes it more sad. They only got the nails in an attempt to make Angron care for them, without knowing it only made him hate them more.

[@skullsquad900]

Wait, I was told he forced them to get the surgery...?

[@peateargriffin9932]

@@skullsquad900 only the one who didn’t want it, which were very few. Most of his sons dove head first into thr nails out of sheer desperation to hit closer to Angron, thinking that if they just did as he asked he’d finally accept them.

[@roarkkariyama]

If it weren't for those damn nails, Angron could've been one of the most beloved Primarchs alongside Sanguinius.

[@Khorne__]

he was literally a vulkan and sanguinius mix

[@sgtshortstack578]

​@@Khorne__ how many skulls must he gift you for you to ease his pain? We just wanna see his suffering end, Mighty Khorne.

[@Skiritai]

​@@sgtshortstack578I say we wage war... against Khorne! Let the Lion have at him!

[@capadociaash8003]

@@Skiritaigood luck but honestly Khorne would probably be the chaos god most okay with with having war declared on him

[@Skiritai]

@@capadociaash8003 I'd trust Khorne to fight at least somewhat honorably over the other three Princes. Slaneesh? Don't make me laugh. Nurgle? The prince has to enslave his followers to keep them from remembering their pain. Tzeentch? Ain't no way I'm trusting him.

[@clonetf141]

If magnus was the librarian primarch, If vulkan was the techmarine primarch, And Lorgar was the chaplain primarch, Angron should have been the apothecarry primarch

[@mr.ashenfire2624]

He is even worse as a Daemon Prince, as it is suggested the Butcher's Nails within his brain at this point became a component of his being and suffers episodes where he doesn't even know who he or his allies are.

[@samiamtheman7379]

Not really suggested since Sanguinius ripped them out before and his brain healed with the nails in them.

[@sgtshortstack578]

I wish he'd never landed on that damn planet. Those fiends got what they deserved when he came back though, every last one of them.

[@sgtshortstack578]

I wish he'd never landed on that damn planet. Those fiends got what they deserved when he came back though, every last one of them.

[@CrackBabyZaches]

Reminder that hawk boy banished Angron during siege of Terra by ripping the nails out - after trying and failing to kill him in dozen of more conventional ways.

[@Moldereyes1999]

Lorgar actually mentions that the nails technically put him through far less pain now. He’s rampages are more of a Khorne thing. Still a shit fate depending how you look at it

[@tomdamoose2461]

The fact they knew Angron was fucked but simply thrust him back into combat with a legion now as his own disposable tool... if only big E had built a fundamental bond of honour between himself and Angron / saved his family... Angron and the world eaters are easily one of the greatest tragedies of all 30k/40k lore.

[@insidechaos4913]

Angron was doomed to fall there is no question about it it would have been a kinder fate for the big E to just end him as quickly as he can and never let it be know to all that he was found or make a lie to his sons that angron died protecting his battle brothers on naceria to try and instill the honor aspect to the warhounds. If done like this they could still fall to Korn but it would be less berserker and more gladiator

[@thanhhoangnguyen4754]

​@@insidechaos4913Well Big E is not the nicest of being a dad to all of them.

[@3adgamd3r]

@@insidechaos4913he should’ve just left him with his “brothers and sisters” on Nuceria, the problem would’ve literally fixed itself, but I suppose the real issue is that he didn’t know how badly Angron was mutilated at that point and by the time they realised how badly damaged he was, there was no benefit to just throwing him away

[@GhostBear3067]

Angron is what happens when the Paladin is surgically forced to be the Barbarian.

[@Horus-Lupercal]

"Heavily armoured?" Bro, most of them removed their arm plates as a flex.

[@laerte5983]

Pull off invulnerable to show dominance

[@sirhoon87]

And even with the butchers nails, if the Big E hadn't been a massive dick and just helped his gladiator brothers I don't think he would have fell to Chaos...And I reckon there's someone somewhere or there's an STC to remove the nails.

[@johnozzmond9728]

The problem isn't removing the nails, it's replacing the missing chunks of brain. Emperor I believe can do a little time manipulation, he could probably near-pause time and remove the nails and put him on life support, but how do you add brain? Maybe via a clone or keep him on life support long enough to regen, but there's no telling how long or successful either would be. Really he should've figured out a backdoor way to trick whatever sensors detect him fighting and trigger it so it constantly thinks he's in battle. It still would've slowly killed him, but he'd suffer less. Merciful thing would've been to let him die in his rebellion Or idk, since the Emperor has such immense power, maybe stick his soul in a jar and clone a new body. There probably were a few options

[@sgtshortstack578]

​@@johnozzmond9728 yeah, if only he would've bothered. I just don't get why he didn't. He MADE Angron, but couldn't be bothered to at least TRY and fix him.... saddening.....

[@sirhoon87]

Probably could have just grew him a new brain Big E was a genius scientist after all, or perhaps used his psychic power to regenerate the brain... he may or may not have the capabilities to do so but i like to think he has, still think he screwed the pooch not helping Angron on Nuceria @@johnozzmond9728

[@isaiahknickerbocker6207]

​@@sgtshortstack578If I remember correctly, he was going to try at the end of the Great Crusade, when he had the time to actually do it, but he was in a rush he did what he could, which wasn't a lot, in the book Betrayer, one of the Arch Magos who worked on Angron with the Emperor said that the Emperor wanted to save him, but couldn't at that time because he was in a rush to finish The Great Crusade

[@crissrevan]

The story about how his legion ended up getting the butchers nails was always such a tragic one to me. For them to just Black out and murder dozens of their brothers and for them to still be like, yeah, this is definitely a good idea blows me away.

[@3adgamd3r]

Well that’s because they could rationalise it to themselves, not everyone who got the nails turned into a babbling madman, and they knew their versions of the nails were inferior to the original, so they probably assumed they’d improve with each implant It doesn’t quite work like that, as shown in the 40k Lion book, a son of Sanguinius (not a Blood Angel but I can’t remember which chapter he hailed from) chose to be a traitor and was desperately trying to get the nails, when he finally got them he murdered his most loyal retainer and only “friend” in a blind rage, regrets it for a moment, then forgets it and her entirely as the nails take over However in the book he speaks to an original World Eater and dude was like “yeah you REALLY don’t want this” and he actually kept denying him for the implantation, but eventually another WE dies and he gets the ones from the dead dudes body

[@octaviusquentin3146]

Fun fact the butchers nails was actually quite the controversial thing in the legion with some Astartes for and some against......... The against ones were never heard from again (plus because of the nails taking angrons special sauce the legionaries weren't auto loyal to him and alot in fact didn't like him as shown by the fact that world eaters had the most loyalists to purge at Istvan

[@louisnall3102]

If those that were against implants were around at Istvaan, all of them would’ve been loyal to the Emperor, and the Istvaan III battle may have lasted one or two months longer.

[@loganlaslo2098]

The Second Compliance of Ghenna was where the World Eaters took care of the ones who didn't want the nails. It's ironic that this planet was supposed to "save" the legion since this small coup was trying to find a way to get rid of Angron's nails but in reality, found a way to replicate the nails to the legion entirely therefore damning the legion.

[@demolitionnicholas689]

What I find interesting about angron was his whole “taking the pain away and putting it upon himself” makes a lot more sense in the context of his legion that I think a lot of people are missing the point. Because, you have a complete legion dedicated to melee, and enjoy being in the front line. But what’s gonna be commonplace when you’re in the frontline? Injuries. A lot of injuries. Angron’s true purposes would’ve been to helping his soldiers, likely reinforced with the apothecaries to help tend to the severely wounded, like angron taking the pain away from a space marine that just narrowly survived losing all his limbs whilst the apothecary stabilizes the wounded space marines condition. It’s all the more reason why I find angron sad. He could’ve been a great aid if he hadn’t the butchers nails implanted and sacrificed to Khorne

[@roguechieftain233]

The big E did Angron the dirtiest.

[@sgtshortstack578]

Looked him in his face and told him his family, his fellow slaves meant NOTHING. What a horrible father.

[@GokageBlack]

We need an Angron Green Mile movie... the ending will be a bit dark though 😅

[@joeyk3134]

His primarch healing factor was regenerating his brain but just barely slower than the Nails were snaking further in

[@lead6231]

I weep inside wondering what the traitor primearchs could have been if things did not go to shit , what they all could have been. but especially Angron

[@jack-if4fg]

Angron to me at least always had the most tragic and compelling back story. Non of the primarchs when through as much as he did save perhaps the night haunter

[@sgtshortstack578]

Yeah, and when Roboutte found him during the Horus Heresy, everything Angron said was right. As for what he said on the Night of the Wolf.

[@wolfmanhcc]

Angron was for anguish not anger.

[@KwizzyDaAwesome]

Doesn't that mean though that the world eaters/war hounds ought to have displayed those traits as well?

[@meateaw]

They all got the butchers nails too. So lol @ them

[@Lechuga1815]

I blame the emperor, shoulda named him "Healergon" instead of Angron

[@Dreadguard]

If Angron and Vulcan were together (AS IN IN PERSON, BROTHER TAKING CARE OF BROTHER NOT THAT WAY YOU SICK FUCKS) I'm sure they'd have a whole segmentum in peace and a massive legion

[@loganlaslo2098]

Everyone says the Nails were the reason of why Angron was the way he was.....no...it was the Eldar for sending a kill squad against him. That squad, which all of them perished, wounded Angron to the point of being captured by slavers. That moment of trying to prevent a future lead Angron down that path of damnation.

[@brotheralaric7177]

Angron and Vulkan could had been the best bros .. sadge story

[@DJSkittles365]

I think he would've been a warrior monk. Nice, probably, but humble, selfish and empathetic definitely.

[@sgtshortstack578]

I think your keyboard auto corrected you. I know you mean selfless tho

[@Ddarth_sidious]

Just imagine if for example Guilliman was able to conquer Nuceria BEFORE the implantation of the Butcher's Nails (yes, Nuceria will be part of 500 worlds of Ultramar) - we could have an amazing bromance of 2 very adequate primarchs, and the whole Horus Heresy would be so much easier. I always like this feelings of missed bright future like in Alexis Polux and Barabas Dantioch example - imagine such friendship, mutually complementary and true comradery between Dorn and Petrurabo... T_T

[@Kalebfenoir]

The issue with Angron's Nails, compared to the Nails that his legion (and the other slaves on his world) had, was that Angron's in particular were THE original Nails that all others were developed from. They were the prototypes. And where these First Nails would have killed a normal human in maybe hours, Angron withstood them thanks to his Primarch makeup. But there was a problem; the more the Nails dug in, the more his own brain tried to fight back and undo the damage caused by them. The push-pull of these two things caused such intense strain that eventually, even Angron's genetic strength would have started failing. And because his brain had 'grown back' so much after each time the Nails sung, they were deeply blended with each other to the point where they didn't know if they could remove them safely. The Emperor of course, just went. "Hm. Leave them in. We'll just use him as weapon instead of a general. A broken tool can still be used for other purposes, if not perfectly." And condemned him to a slow, agonizing death over decades.

[@superkoksu487]

primarchs can regenerate btw. Emperor could have removed the nails over a long time and allow him to heal. He didn't because he though it more important to get his son to work before he doed instead of wasting time on saving hi..

[@superkoksu487]

they were tools to him, nothing else , nothing more.

[@0aghost0]

I think it’s mentioned in one of the books that nothing can remove the butchers nails as they have more or less eroded angron’s brain - taking them out would have rendered him a vegetable or dead. while angron himself would probably rather be dead than stuck in a state like his current agony of in a vegetative state, the emperor thought he was more useful alive, granting him no peace of death.

[@bbqsandwich832]

Which podcast is this from?

[@NancyDLaw]

Come on man stop with the shorts and make long format video that what 40k Fns want . Lots of them even using the video at night to help them sleep . It will also make your channel blow up fast ride the wave 🌊

[@IsyanderandKoda]

All of the shorts are actually from the longer podcast episode that we put out around once a week!

[@NancyDLaw]

@@IsyanderandKoda I know I watched it. What I'm saying is I want more 40k long format video

[@MegaBrendanS]

He does...😅

[@MegaBrendanS]

I work in a comic book shop, and I love seeing silly art panels from the funny books.

[@AngiraBlu96]

And yet, nowhere during his time as an Imperial Primarch did they ever think to find a way to repair his brain and get the Nails outta his head.

[@TheBlastmeister]

The Emperor's did what to, but he didn't think he could remove the nails without killing Angron. Funnily enough, removing an arcaeptech, cyber brain parasite that was actively replacing someone's brain is really hard to do.

[@AngiraBlu96]

@@TheBlastmeister That’s why I also said “repair his brain” and put it before getting the Nails out. Put in new bits of grey matter while Angron’s unconscious and then take out the Nails. (*Cuz it’s, likely, over 3 dozen millennia in the future and medical science should far exceed what we for whatever reason still have, bcuz we’re still having to waste our taxes on space exploration and 💩 and not regenerating lost limbs and entire bones and organs. … Yes, the rant was totally necessary.*)

[@Fire_of756]

Yet again, another example of elves ruining everything for everyone involved.

[@sgtshortstack578]

The people of Neuseria (don't know if I spelled that right) were humans I believe

[@Fire_of756]

@@sgtshortstack578 But it was the elves attacking Angron that made him too weak to defend himself against slavers. All because they were gullible enough to believe in a prophecy (Tzeentch is snickering) that featured Angron becoming a Daemon Primarch. Ergo, it's the the fault of the elves yet again.

[@spongeyspikes09]

In other words, Angron is should've been Asura from Asura's Wrath

[@curtise.gill67]

What if his purpose was to relieve magnus of his pain from sitting on the golden throne? The tradgedy here was that he couldn't make physical contact with anyone after the nails. Psykers were even worse to be around. :/

[@NOOTNOOT1127]

I can’t remember exactly but in one of the books about when he was still a slave but didn’t they talk about how all the slaves would essentially group cuddle angron and he would take their pain/ mental anguish?

[@brutusvonmanhammer]

I've been getting into 40k for a few years now, and one conclusion I have come to is that, had the Emperor helped Angron and his gladiators (and had Angron not been given the butchers nails) he'd likely be amongst the best primarchs, if not THE best. I could even see him being made War Master over Horus, and thus no Heresy...

[@phuntymes]

Taking away pain, isn't healing. It's more like unnatural resilience. I imagine it would be very similar to how a zombie in various lores, throws 100% of It's being into a strike or assault. Humans can't quite do this because our brains don't allow us to act this recklessly, for obvious reasons. Primarily preservation. But it also would have defensive applications, too. For those who tabletop, angron's presence could have potentially given fight on death to his entire legion. Maybe to other nearby legions aswell. Angron, may have had the worst fate of all the primarchs.

[@MorganNull-uj6uu]

The worst thing is that it’s likely the emperor could’ve removed the nails but chose not to because Ang was entirely against the emperor. And unlike Horus, Ang would’ve won.

[@Crusher888]

I just watched Warrior Tiers “Angron - Eater of worlds” its one the best 40k videos ive ever seen

[@eTown-hf2rk]

Bro was to good to remain good

[@mutantmaster1]

the thing I find so annoying is that Big E was capable of making the primarchs, and was probably around for the Dark Age of Technology, but couldn't try to remove them. Just nope, nothing we can do! toss him in the trash, and treat him thusly

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

Imagine a pure Angron having never had the nails. He would have rivaled Sanguinius or Vulkan from the love he received from the masses. A noble Paladin who can take the weight of the world on his shoulders so others don’t have to and bring peace to those in pain. Honest to Big E the only justified thing he ever did was wiping out Nuceria

[@lukeg2953]

Maybe an Angron without the nails could have helped the Night Haunter release his pain and guilt from growing up how he did and theres two restored Primachs. Maybe even could have given the Luna Wolves a place to turn other than the big creepy snake house to heal Horus if he had been close enough. But that would be a tall order with the anatheme blade.

[@riseup3150]

The dark gods chose their targets well

[@aaronboy1246]

Born to heal, forced to hurt

[@GideonWallace]

"I'm tired boss"

[@kishin901]

I still call bs on his backstory because about every other primarch either crash landed Superman style and got a loving family, or were op from day one and terrorized entire planets or got into fist fights with unspeakable horrors. You're really gonna tell me that an adult Angron couldn't take over a planet? Poppycock, I say, balderdash.

[@johnnodadgriffin6432]

He was a baby fighting dark eldar

[@richmondvand147]

this is why it drives me nuts when people get his lore wrong and say he was miss treated by big E. Big E had nothing to do with his suffering, couldn't do anything without immeadately killing him. THOUGH the fact big E didn't warp down and annilate his jailors and save his family is sad

[@sgtshortstack578]

I agree with the second part, but let's put 2 things out there to consider 1: The Emperor is an IMMENSELY powerful psyker, could've stopped Angron's body in time so his brain didn't break while the nails were removed and had him on INTENSE life support so he could regenerate. 2: He MADE Angron, so he should theoretically be able to fix him at least somewhat.

[@joshuasepeda3289]

Someone say chainsaw axes? LETS FREAKING GOOOOO!!!!

[@SmokeyOwOs]

Agron is a support character that got overbuffed. Doc main incarnate

[@WolfBoy83090]

I wonder how shit would’ve turned out if angron and the lion had there planet’s switched

[@AdmiralDevil]

angron if he had a good childhood would have likely stayed loyal to the throne without a second thought,i feel horrible for any traitor who crossed him

[@almightyace3581]

I wish we couldve seen the how this couldve gone

[@FrostSoul-qs6kq]

He was Salamander 2.0 ...

[@philosophichuman1507]

The Lion.

[@louisnall3102]

Angron basically gaslit his legion into accepting the nails,