The MOST Used FOOTBALL Formation?

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[@nameanteater4772]

Striker is usually referred to as the number 9, while the creative midfielder in the middle of the 3 behind the striker is referred to as the number 10. This is the due to the number that player’s would usually wear in those positions(but any player can wear any number shirt in any position)

[@Jardermorder]

No, this is wrong. Before, each position was assigned a number. Goalies wore 1, right back wore 2, the full backs 3 and 4, and so on. Strikers wore 9 and the offensive midfielder, the 10. It was a way of reduci g shirt costs, which also meant that the shirts didn't display any player's name, as the number indicated position, not the player. That isn't used now, but the most common positions that are still being referred as numbers are the 9 (striker), the 10 (creative midfielder connecting the midfield with the front, and the 5 (defensive midfielder, usually in formations with only one CDM).

[@TBosq81]

​@@Jardermorder Doesn't mean he's wrong, you just explained the reason why some numbers are tied to certain positions on today's game, dude's comment is still spot on.

[@chasegamez6313]

@@Jardermorder you explained literally the exact same thing and then said he’s wrong lol

[@rydendk]

Traditions vary with regard to numbers. When I was watching English league football in the 1970s, the centre backs would have the numbers 5 and 6, which left the strong man in midfield with number 4 (e.g. Billy Bremner of Leeds Utd), elsewhere no. 6 was the number of the defensive midfielder whereas 4 is allocated to a centre back. The numbers 8 and 10 would be worn by what was called the inside right and inside left respectively. Today those numbers could be for a box-to-box midfielder and a creative attacking midfielder. Fullbacks would be 2 and 3, wingers 7 and 11 and striker 9. Obviously, in modern club football the players are given a number that they wear for the whole season. Some numbers are allocated based on player preference.

[@MrFoffof]

@@Jardermorder how are you this confident about something, when you state that right back and full back are two different positions?

[@archmaester6594]

The CAM (central attacking mid) is not a false nine but (in english football) is known as a 10. They would stay in midfield, pick out passes and occasionally score long range goals while a 9 would stay in the box and try to score. A False 9 is a hybrid of a traditional 9 and a 10.

[@micheleduritto]

this^ in Italy,since we had so many good number 10 in our history, the likes of Del Piero, Baggio, Totti etc etc we also call the position "Trequartista". (literally translated to "three quarter" meaning the player who play in the three quarter part of a football field) However, the number 10 role is a very fluid one, it is usually the attacking playmaker in most instances, for example in a 4231 formation (like the one discussed in this video) is the attacking central midfielder, but it can also do the False 9 (Messi and Totti for example, both with the number 10 shirt) or be the second striker behind or parralel (but alsways slightly behind) to the striker/number 9, and Del Piero was, for example great at that, however, not alot of top teams use the 2 strikers upfront this days, so you don't see the number 10 used that way a lot. Inter is one of the few top teams that use that type of tactic of the 2 strikers, and it one of the reason, in my opinion, why Inter got so far in the UCL this season, since the tandem work of Dezko/Lukaku (number 9) and Lautaro (number 10) is something top teams are not used to face.

[@darrylbrookes2780]

@@micheleduritto i think a false 9 mostly means you play with no number 9 as a tactic though. (the 9 playes like a 10 and you have an extra midfelder like a 4 4 2 but the 2 at the top are wingers so in practice it looks more like a 2 4 1 1 2 (2 cb , 2 mid with 2 fullbacks pushed up , your 9 and 10 pulled back and offset , with 2 very wide and high wingers that play up and down but have speed) so the center backs are left to mark no body or enter the midfield and leave space. playing with a 9 and 10 combo .... you cant call the 9 a true 9 .... and the ten a false 9 they just are a 9 and 10. the false 9 means you play with two 10s in the formation . but i get your point the number just refares to a position that isnt an exact thing the game is fluid and has multiple 1/4 1/2 and 3/4 positions depending on that managers tactics.

[@micheleduritto]

@@darrylbrookes2780 i was not only talking about the false nine, i was actually talking mostly about the number 10 or Trequartista position and role, since Luke seemed confused about it. I just said that a numebr 10/trequartista is usually capable of doing the false 9 role, i never said that it is the same role, while, you are rarely going to use a pure number 9 to do the false 9, because they don't have the technical abilites required to do it. Most false 9 tactics are/were made to fool the opposition in not knowing what the striker would do, stay up to score goals or drop deep and serve other players, and that makes it a very difficult position to defend against...not to mention the fact that, usually, the false 9 (who is actually a 10 as a player, for example the first 2 famous false 9 of the 2000s, Messi and Totti both had the number 10 shirt) is also the more technical player on the pitch, and so, because of that, he can create avoc all over the "tree quarter" area of the pitch as well as in the penalty box are (the usual number 9 position). The number 10 (as well as the False 9) is usually emplyed centrally, so the 442 is not the best formation for it, since it doesn't have a central attacking midfielder nor a central lone striker (so it is also not suited for the false 9 tactic properly), however in the 442 the number 10 is usually paired with the number 9 up front, something that used to happen all the time, but it is now, as i said in my last comment , something that got out of fashion, in either a staggered fashion with the 10 slightly behind (and on the right or left, depending on their preferred foot) and the number 9 in a more advanced position, but of course there are many combinations of this, with the 9 doing the target man and setting up, with an hold up play, the number 10 to score (Lukaku/Lautaro speciallity), or by having both 10 and 9 directly behind or in front of one another, bascially froming like a 4411. Yes, as you said, in a false 9 scenario you don't play both a number 10 and a number 9, you only play the number 10, but that number 10 also does the job of the number 9 at times (hence the term "false 9").

[@darrylbrookes2780]

@@micheleduritto yeah bruv we see it the same don't know If I said this earlier but the man city/pep tactical at the min is a 1441 dubble pivot with the pivot being the number 9 and the centre back. With a kind of -)(- look to it. You could call it a 3223 or 3241 but like I was saying before ... My main point that formations are so fluid in football from a morenio / or russian 442 all the way up to total football they have a variation of rigidity but ..... Well the number for position thing is kinda strange just based on who wore the shirt before and what they did. And how they played. The 7 is one thing then another eg Cantina then Beckham then Ronaldo. The only true fixed number is the number 1 but pep and klop are tryna shift that about

[@asiedub]

The striker here is called a Target Man, a little different from a False 9. A False 9 is usually an attacking midfielder or a technically gifted striker who drops back to help build up play and set up chances for sharp wingers, like Messi. If you're playing a False 9, there's no actual 9. Target Men are big, strong strikers who can hold up play in a more defensive formation like a 4231 to give the rest of the team to catch up in attack or head the ball from crosses, like Zlatan.

[@suke9502]

Hey Luke, you should do the 4-4-2 next. It was the formation that pretty much everyone used up until 15 years ago or so

[@rod6722]

6:03 The point of a false 9 is that he's supposed to be a hybrid of a number 9 (striker) and a number 10 (advanced playmaker). Which is why you tend to see it more often in a 4-3-3 than in a 4-2-3-1. Because in a 4-2-3-1 you already have a dedicated number 10, so there isn't as much of a need for your number 9 to do the number 10 role as well. In a 4-3-3, on the other hand, you don't have a dedicated number 10. So which player occupies that number 10 zone is more fluid. It can be a striker dropping deep (the false 9), a central midfielder pushing up, or a winger drifting inside.

[@Indomakio]

You pretty much nailed the "protect the center of the pitch, it's harder to score from the wings" thing.

[@mphosethong5210]

Yeah he did with me I find 4-3-3 more about having good fast ballplaying wingers on attack and 4-2-3-2-1 more about creating from the middle of the park..

[@user-nd3ks4mi7b]

One thing to remember about formations is that they are very fluid and rarely appear as they do on the team sheet, especially for elite teams. For instance, Man United's 4-2-3-1 changes to a 3-1-6 in possession. Man City and Barcelona usually charge into a 3-2-5 in possession as well. Brighton have a 4-2-3-1 that changes into a 2-4-4 .

[@agssilv5919]

Man this season when Barcelona and Man City turn up the heat and get into the 3-2-5 with the entirety of the other team inside their own box man its fucking glorious and the way that because of how they are positioned they get the ball almost instantly from rebounds , fuckery or press after lossing the ball. Attack after attack after attack that is the beutifull game🎉

[@TokenBlackman7]

Dear Luke, For the sake of comprehension and facilitation of learning different formations, I would highly suggest focusing on reading up on the various positions/player roles on the field (strikers [a.k.a. - number 9's] vs. attacking midfielders [a.k.a. - number 10's]). Sincerely, Your friendly neighborhood Blackman. 😊

[@nyctophilex7]

9 is always the striker (for example Haaland). 10 is the most advanced midfielder and the guy who plays behind the striker (for example Rooney, Bruno). 8 is the center midfielder, the guy who is behind the 10, but ahead of 6 (for example Eriksen). 6 is the defensive midfielder - that is the midfielder who is furthest behind (for example Casemiro). They call it a "false nine", because it's not the usual striker, meaning that he often goes back so the wingers can go forward instead of him. The "true nine" would just stay in front and score goals, which is different than a "false nine".

[@LeafGreen906]

Formation based tactics is starting to get a little outdated, big teams currently employ a series of formations depending on if they have possession or not, and how high they are in the pitch. City this season have been seen in 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 3-2-5, and now recently 3-2-4-1. United, although listing a 4-2-3-1 on on the lineup, often play 5-4-1 or 4-1-4-1 out of possession, and 3-1-6 in possession for longer attacks in the final third. Some people advocate for analyzing tactics outside of defensive formations entirely, as simply countering into spaces tends to break formation for both teams, and thats where a lot of the goals are found on the highest level. Don't get me wrong its still worth looking into, lots to learn

[@leedcruz5072]

Hey bro. Just wanted to say your reactions are great. Especially cause you really are trying to learn about the game. That's cool. Keep it up.

[@keebs67]

I’d say the central CAM(central attacking mid) is a similar role to a false 9 a false 9 would typically play the CF role if u had every possible position on the pitch the CF would be between the CAM and ST. false 9 would need qualities of both those position a bit and also there own. They r similar but different😂

[@FranciscoGarcia-ze5hg]

Fluid and also depends on what players you have. No two players are equal, so even if they share a position the results and outcomes vary significantly. Also the coachs mentality can affect a different style using the same formation. And as you say...during a game a coach can use different formations and styles of play. A very famous and prolific coach from Uruguay named Juan Martin Mujica always said "You do what you can with what you have." Argentina and Uruguay have a great tradition on great coaches and formidable tactics. There is an important notion that is playing short formations, which means mantaining short distances between your lines (ie defense and midfield), thus not leaving space for the other team and keeping the ball in front of the midfield (opposite from permiting the ball to be bewtween the lines).

[@Indomakio]

Also, about formations, we're entering an era of positioning and space rather than formations and specific roles. For a football fan since forever like me its so exciting and at the same time really jard to understand sometimes. For example, there is no number 10 or playmaker now. Some teams prefer physicality and press, others use not one but two playmakers with high physical demand (like Man City currently). The full back role has evolved a lot in a couple of years, they dont tend to run up and down all the pitch rather than tuck inside (making themselves another central midfielder) or changing positions with the winger... It's amazing how the sport its always evolving.

[@Absinthminded]

A common thing with poor teams is that they get stretched and disjointed. If the midfield is pressing high, the the defense is not pushing up with them. Or the midfield stays high when the defense is dropping off. This also happens with top teams towards the end of the match. That is why games tend to open up, and be more entertaining towards the end. Most professional footballers run 7 to 10 miles per game.

[@andreiferariu]

The difference in tactics and formations between the sports is that in American football you only have one goal per formation - that either being to score or to prevent yardage, while in association football you have two goals at all times - you should have a basis to defend and attack, with the same base formation. I enjoy both sports, but tactically, American football is like chess while association football is like boxing or combat sports where you need to make sure you don't get knocked out at the same time you knock them out.

[@lukessportsacademy]

We do try to coach players to become the offense in case of a turnover however. Really well coached defenses in American football will score often. However, I see your point as turnovers are more rare in American ball than in football.

[@gulliblemuppetsheep135]

To change formation the manager will just shout to a player to push up or drop back and he will relay the message to the other players but i would much prefer to hear managers shouting HULK SMASH 😂

[@lukessportsacademy]

Just wait til us Americans start taking the game seriously. It’s totally something we would say 😂

[@user-ep5co2ig3r]

You're absolutely correct that it's a good defensive strategy to invite crosses, and you can see it in many boring games that teams get frustrated trying to work their normal offense and resort to low percentage crosses because it "feels better" when the ball gets in the box and you rely on the defense missing the ball or making any sort of mistake.

[@dsek0279]

Its nice to see you learning about the tactical side of football. And since you are a coach in a different sport, am sure you will acclimatize rapidly. I suggest also trying out the game Football Manager. From a learning perspective, it will teach you quite a lot in terms of the team and player setups as well as tactics

[@anguspaterson5713]

Big thing Luke: football tactics use different formations and shape on and off the ball (i.e. in and out of possession). A team could play in a 4-2-3-1 in possession, but a 4-4-2 out of possession, and they can change the attacking OR the defensive formation they use in the game. The shape that a team plays in without the ball largely determines their defensive strategy - how they press or how they sit back and absorb pressure. It's just as important as the formation in possession.

[@Stefan23E]

6:45 "false 9" is a offense midfielder who plays as a stirker instead. "false 9" is only used in 4-3-3. In 4-2-3-1 you played always with a "real 9" (real striker). In Germany we call the center offense midfielder "10th" (zehner in german) or playmaker (Spielmacher)

[@suke9502]

Tbh i learned the most about formations by playing fifa and messing around with tactics. Then it was easier for me to recognize what teams are doing in actual games. All formations have their strengths/weaknesses but it really depends on what players you’ve got

[@agssilv5919]

Me whenever i see the fucking Mourinho wannabe with 5-4-1 and i know its gonna be a long game👺

[@suke9502]

@@agssilv5919 nowadays on fut yeah😂

[@voxstelarum]

4231 is basically a 433 with the wingers more tucked into the midfield for balance between attack and defense and a "target man" as a striker. Also it allows to compress your team more effectively in defense and counter attack quickly. PS: dont stress too much with the false 9. Its just a striker that plays below the line of the wingers in attack, it's usually a player that is more keen to dribble and link plays rather than being a target man in the area

[@RumoSenpai]

15:45 Though it is gernerally a good defensive tactic to "close" the the middle of the field, some teams may not be too bothered by that. Teams with a offensively oriented full back that specializes in crossing (which is common) and a usually tall striker (9er) that has good headers would flourish against you. Granted, those are often teams that might not have the technical skills of the top teams but it can be leathal none the less. A long ball to the winger or full back then usually leads to a 1v1 between winger/fullback vs. fullback which can go either way depending on skill; and if they are able to cross it's all positioning, timing and precision, so your CB has to be perfect every time for the whole match.

[@mayaorozco6374]

When a false 9 drops down he becomes another midfielder and should posses many of the qualities of a CAM, but in the end he is a forward and should have qualities in front of goal a CAM does not typically have. That being said there is roles in the CAM position managers might exploit by playing what is called a "second striker" which is basically the CAM version of a False 9 where they perform the duties of a striker when the team attacks. Every position has a set idea but the roles can be very different. Example in central midfield you can have *box to box* midfielders which require the player to have a two way game and high endurance, a *playmaker* to control tempo and passes, there is a role called *Mezzala* which basically means the midfielder will play out wider on the field and some of the qualities of a wing etc. Besides picking a formation the manager also assign roles in any formation, being creative is what causes unbalance for the opposition. A manager can play three *box to box* or three playmakers in midfield.

[@sodnik81]

False 9 is always a central attacker that drops in between midfield and central defenders to get the ball. And couse he can score from range, CDs have to go out of their position in the defensive line and that opens up space in the defensive line, that other attackers cam use to get the ball behind the opponents defensive line. Central midfielders won't force the CDs to move forward.

[@QazwerDave]

The difference between 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 can most easily be identified by how they achieve the popular 2-3-5 or 3-2-5 attacking shape, with a focus on the attacking front 5. The 5 always consist of the three attackers, so the key is to identify who fills up the 2 remaining slots. The 2 remaining players are either 2 midfielders, 2 full backs, or a combination of these two. If there's 1 mid and 1 full back, there can be said to be a CAM, a central attacking midfielder, or a 10, in the team, and the team plays 4-2-3-1. If the remaining 2 are 2 full backs, or 2 midfielders, there's no 10, and we got 4-3-3. But teams with a player on the pitch with the tecnical qualities of a 10 might fluidly interchange throughout a match and end up with two full backs in the attacking front 5. So a team might switch between 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 throughout a game, or even within a single attacking stretch of play! The best teams aim to have both a creative mid, a 10, AND full backs capable of attacking. But they don't use them all in the attacking line at the same time in order to keep defensive balance. An example of this failing is the attacking 6 used by City in the UCL final they lossed to Chelsea.

[@etme1000]

The central attacking midfielder is what we talked about as the "typical nr 10:" i.e. the playmaker, the creative brain of the team. The false 9 is a striker who does not play in his normal role, ie in the opposite penalty area, but withdraws, and thus draws with him (and to him) other players. Any striker can play that way. Ibra (who is a real 9) can draw back and - by necessity - draw to him defenders, creating a gap. The name is a bit misleading - it's more like a "falsified 9" - a 9 (finishing striker) that does not behave like a 9 (at times), and thus creates chaos. In what was called (and is still being considered by many) the game of the century, namely the first defeat that England suffered on home soil from a non-insular team, i.e. the England - Hungary 3-6 defeat of 1953, the English were destroyed by (among other things) the as yet unseen tactics of the Hungarian team to play a false 9. The English, who were used to a rigid WM tactic, where each player was assigned a fixed opposite number, were mind-boggled by a Hungarian team that moved fluidly around the pitch, freely changing positions (including said false 9 - in their case, Hidegkuti). The game is considered the game of the century. not only because it was the first defeat ever of England on home soil, but also because it was one of the triumphs of a team (The Magical Magyars, the Golden Team) that is still considered one of the best to ever play the game (with the legendary Puskas, Czibor, Hidegkuti, Kocsis etc) - not only because of their results (unbeaten for four years, Olympic champs, World Cup finalists in a dramatic game), but also because the way they played revolutionized football, and led later to the "total football" style of 70s Netherlands > 90s Cruyff as coach > 2000s Guardiola's Barcelona. (Not by chance the 1970s Netherland is another team considered to be one of the greatest to ever play the game.)

[@AlienDenzil85]

You've covered two of the more common formations currently used, but there's a century and a half of changes and tweaks to formations in football, so you'd be here forever if you tried to cover it all. This is true of any sport I guess. I'm aware that in American football, a lot of college teams used to use a Wishbone offence in the 1970s and 1980s, but no team does that now. Similarly, in football before the 1960s, a lot of teams used to play using a 2-3-5, which would be crazy today!

[@USC9210]

Luke: Thank you for reacting to these formation videos. I have been watching futbol as a converted American for a few years now, but now the tactics (which before seemed overly complicated and are often broken by a single moment of "quality" or superior athleticism) seem so clear how the breakdown in tactics more times than not creates goal opportunities.

[@CaptKomy]

This channel is a gold mine, I haven't seen it before but the depth of content he has is amazing, brilliant find.

[@conormcmenamin3064]

youd love looking at the formations of man city, arsenal and liverpool this past season. I dont know if theres any videos on the topi yet but even just having a look at articles or what people are saying could be fun reading!

[@stanisawregulski669]

The numbers are associated with positions - 6 is the defensive midfielder linking defence and midfield, 8 is the central / box to box midfielder, 10 is the creative offensive midfielder and the 9 is the striker / finisher. Good examples of these classic roles would be Ngolo Kante as the 6, Inesta as the 8, Riquelme as 10 and Suarez as 9. And players do often (but not always) play with the numbers associated with their role on the pitch. The false nine would then be a striker, who you would expect to be the outlet of the offensive play of the team, dropping deeper and being more of a creator, like a 10. So you were onto something with your thinking :)

[@lukessportsacademy]

So Messi would be a 10? I know that he technically plays a hybrid of positions. However, he was not a prototypical striker but played like one at times. Do wingers have numbers? I’m trying to understand each positions number and why it is numbered the way that it is

[@stanisawregulski669]

@@lukessportsacademy The wingers would be a 7 and an 11. The starting goalkeeper is a 1, then the back four play with numbers 2-5. This way of calling positions originates from the old days, when playing kits weren’t personalized. So the starting team would play with numbers from 1 to 11, and the subs’ numbers start from 12 - the number of substitute goalkeeper. the position names for 6, 10 and 9 are the relics of that era that survived to this day and are still being used. You’ll find an odd „he’s a great 8” here and there, in my native language the starting goalie is often called „number 1”, but i’ve never really heard a winger reffered to as „the 7”. As per Messi - the classic 10 is more central and plays closer to the midfield, while Messi usually plays from the right and in the front, but the general role on the pitch - as a main creator - would be somewhat similar. But Messi is superhuman so it’s impossible to categorize him using such broad terms.

[@tinpham6413]

love your video, keep it up, im watching football for 6 year right now, but never trully learn about tactics, im learning with you 😁

[@lucsided6571]

Formation is only one part of tactics. You can have 2 different teams that play a 4-3-3 that play very different to each other. Even in this video, a 4-2-3-1 by Manchester City is completely different than by AC Milan, by depth of players and style of play. Formations can also be dynamic, not even depending on the state of the game but specifically designed to be dynamic, for example the 5-3-2 Conte liked to use in Juventus became a 3-5-2 in possession of the ball.

[@perfilgenerico8717]

Smth that i like on your videos is that i usually learn a thing or two because when you grew up in a sports sometimes there can be blind spots that you are not aware of

There are some analisis to games in this same format, explaining the fomations and how they change and impact throw game, I recomend to watch some important matches analisis like the final of the word cup

[@jxy8938]

The striker position is the number 9 position. Thats how it has been and thats how it'll always been. This is seen with many strikers having the number 9 on there shirt ( lewandowski, suarez, ibrahimovic, benzema, haaland etc) a false 9 means a striker who is not actually playing as a striker, he's not a true number 9, he's a false number 9. Strikers would usually try and run past defenders with pace and strength and would be the top goalscorers in their team, examples being the names above. A false 9 is more involved in the midfield and the creativity area of the team, leaving the wingers with more opportunities to get in behind the defence and this means that teams who play with a false 9 usually have there top goalscorers being wingers ( salah and mane at Liverpool, martinelli at arsenal etc)

[@VillaFanDan92]

The whole 9, 10 thing comes from the fact that shirt numbers used to be tied into your position on thr pitch, rather than one player getting a number and being able to play anywhere as it is now. That rule is still in place in rugby. But the tradition still holds that: 1. Goalkeeper 2. Right Back 3. Left Back 4. Centre Back 5. Centre Back 6. Defensive Midfielder 7. Midfielder/Winger 8. Box-to-Box Midfielder 9. Striker 10. Central Attacking Midfielder 11. Winger Obviously those aren't enforced these days, but it's often seen as a status symbol for players to be given one of those shirt numbers by the club. For example, being given the number 7 shirt at Manchester United is seen as a great honour, because of the heritage of Best, Robson, Beckham, Cantona, Ronaldo etc.

[@achimsinn6189]

I just yesterday saw a game where one single player on the wing just wasn't able to forfill his part in defense and stop his counterpart and just because of that alone the entire team fell apart and lost 4 - 0. There was so much pressure on the entire defense because attacks kapt on coming from that side they weren't able to actually run any offence for the first half of the game because the rest of the team was occupied defending those attacks. It only got a bit better after they moved an additional player to a defensive position to cover for the guy who got outplayed by his opponent, but that meant they had to play more defensively while already being 2 goals behind and when they tried to get some offence in they got counterattacked for another 2 goals.

[@derpherbert3199]

I think I just came up with a good analogy for the role of the false 9 but in NFL terms: Imagine the striker being equivalent to your tight end and the defending centre backs are safeties. But in a sense of the false 9 profile, he's lacking the physicality to go deep into certain coverage and gain yards after contact. Instead, the tight end stays lower to draw the defense into covering him instead of doubling the wide receivers.. I hope that makes sense.

[@haydncooper2557]

Your description of the false 9 is very good!! That’s exactly what it is, it was created by Pep guardiola at Barcelona when he lined Messi up as a striker but he would drop deeper as a false 9

[@thekingofsevens7358]

You should check our the 442, it is seldom used by elite teams nowadays but some still do and it is very different tactically

[@perfilgenerico8717]

6:04 i would say that false nine is someone that lives the box to make plays to the wingers that attack the void he left, so for me is more that false nine is a striker that can work as that creative offensive midfielder than the opposite around. 15:10 I would say that it is true for a lot of coaches. They usually operate on the ideia that, since the goal is in the middle and you cannot realistic expect to cover the whole field, you "give up" the sides to protect the centre.

[@gunnar4915]

In my experience with coaches and playing myself, tactics and formations are changed mid game, but coaches will use substitutes, or pull a player to the touch line to spread the word amongst the players, instead of shouting codes and nicknames(It can be a disadvantage having the other team knowing your formation, if they can easily counter it)

[@calle9368]

By experience I would say only 10% is about tactics. The other 90% is about motivating the team and social skills. You can have a tactic in your mind but all it takes is that one player takes 2 touches too many and all the momentum goes away and you need to restart. Tactics is about getting your players into the positions where they are the best. Vinícius is best when he is on the left side in a 1v1 position. The goal is then to get him in as many 1v1 situations as possible. The road to get him there is more about improvisation and basic tactics. It´s so much about the players ability. You can´t just say a word and the players know what to do. 1 extra touch and it´s all over.

[@Ns-071]

This is basically a 4-3-3 fine tuned to a 4-2-3-1. To really understand this and why is so fluent and dominating style of play you should check out its conception. It started with the legend Johan Cruyff and the golden Dutch generation of the 70s. The style of play is called total football. So 433 or 4123 or 4231 is nativity the same for its total football all players are involved and all positions are occupied at all times. Love the way your tackling this beautiful game. Keep it up!

[@filipegoncalves1055]

The false nine is known as a false striker. A false nine basically plays as a striker when you are attacking and when you are defending plays as a midfielder. The false nine is a variation of the number 10. On the tactic both play the same position but with very diferente dinamic. A number 10 is what you called an advanced playmaker and a false nine is kinda of a striker disguised on the midfield. USA had as a manager of the national team a guy called Jürgen Klinsmann. The man was an amazing striker (one of the best) and I would love to see you reacting to some of he's greatest moments.

[@augustomourao2486]

It's not even switching during the game. Nowadays this tactics discribe more the defensive behaviour of the teams, while offensively they ajust their positioning based on what is needed for that game in specific. But yes, sometimes the teams change formations during the match.

[@dargoid]

The 9 role is a striker. When it becomes a false nine, it means he's not an out-and-out striker/poacher type, but more as a part of the link up play. You're right on the money there.

[@kristi4113]

Have you seen the U-20 US team at their World Cup?? They are 4-0, won their group, beat New Zealand and play Uruguay Sunday. They’ve been doing so well!

[@georgesamuels3402]

The mad thing about footy is, we lean to walk and run with a ball from the moment we can walk... We all usually aspire to be a top goal scorer - nit me, I loved Paulo Maldini and Cafu.. Hence me playing full back all my life.. But essentially, most kids are decent with a ball. When you get into your teens, you know where you place on the pitch is

[@fisheye375]

Yep! You can change tactic in the match to be effective. But you also need to have the right players for the right formations and with the right football IQ to understand new positions. So it’s always a balance between what the team is giving you and what you can bring to the team. I really enjoy your content, you have a good IQ and sense for tactics. I mean team sports share almost the same principles, people don’t realise that. But you doing great. Keep up the great work

[@ArghyadebBandyopadhyay]

A striker is usually associated with the jersey number 9. If you look at the famous strikers like Benzema, Zlatan, Suarez, Lewandowski, Haaland, etc, they all wear number 9. This is a long standing convention and not a rule. Similarly, a creator is usually associated with the jersey number 10. They traditionally operate between the strikers and the midfield line, and are responsible for creating chances. A "false 9" is someone who plays as a striker, but sometimes moves deeper into the field to coordinate with the midfield and offer a passing option. This forces at least one defender to track down the striker and move away from their natural position simply because you cannot allow a talented scorer roam around unmarked near your penalty box. This in turn opens up pockets of space for the wingers and attacking midfilders to run into.

[@jalapeno84_25]

My way of thinking of the false 9 is that it is only a way to play a number 9, I think its not technically a "position" its more like an instruction you give to your number 9 to play as. In the 4-2-3-1 formation the attacking midfielder in the centre is more like a offensive midfielder which plays mostly in the middle of the field to the last 3/4 of the field. For example, when Guardiola assembled Barcelona's formation, he always would put actually strikers on the wings like Henry or Villa, and Messi in the number 9 position (on paper) but then when u actually see them play, you can see that the strikers who are playing like wingers, move to the interior on the attack while Messi falls back to receive the ball. That is why I think false 9 is a way of playing the number 9 and not an actual position.

[@jmmypaddy]

I think the best way to consider a player is their role. There may be an area of the pitch that a player primarily is on but their role is crucial. A player who plays further up the pitch on the wide side may be a winger, who cuts outside to cross or plays a through ball from the wide area. Then again they may instead be a winger who seeks to cut inside to cross and has the opposing side foot as their stronger. This inverted winger affords the full back to overlap and split the defence. They may even be a forward who cuts inside but instead crossing primarily they seek to shoot often or dribble into the box for the late cut back. Then considering either what this player does it can either be as part of the main system, or exists to offer counter balance/attacking method. A number 9 goes back to a time when strikers were goals, think Alan Shearer. They got the goals and spearheaded attacks. However, the false 9 is in that position but their role is different. They start off and take a position like a striker, but then come shorter, which either brings in the man with them or has space to roam. They may not be an out and out goal scorer, but they will be a threat in attack phases. The false part is the appearance of them being the traditional main striker, but they act differently. Therefore, ripping up the convention of what known about how a striker performs. What I dislike about this video is the usage of 'CDM', as it comes off as overly like the FIFA video game. For me, thus usage boils it all down to a simplistic view of football of static positions and not conveying the roles. This therefore misses out the fundamental fluidity of the sport that makes it unique.

[@supersonic4901]

The important role in this system are both wing defenders. They are actually wingers with defense skills and have most way to go.

[@user-um8wi5ym4y]

Sir Alex Ferguson's iconic 4-4-2 formation with Ryan Giggs on the left and David Beckham on the right. Their pin-point crosses were extremely lethal to the opposition. Giggs had the speed to burn with mazy runs and accurate crosses and David Beckham's pin-point crosses from deep. Well supported by their full-backs; Gary Neville on the right and Denis Irwin on the left.

[@sr3821]

It is a quite good tactic, but it would be better to play a more attacking right back like Phillip Lahm. Beckham was not that fast, but he could defend quite well. Gary Neville was quite solid defensively, but only offered little when attacking. Neville was not fast enough for a modern full back either. So, if an attacking full back play at the right flank, he could team up with Beckham to split opposing defenders' attention when attacking.

[@pauloweise]

I think false 9 doesn't say as much about giving more assists or scoring more goals. it has to do with movement, because the true 9 would supposedly always be stuck in the attack (waiting for a pass to, or holding the ball with physical strength waiting for someone to pass, or scoring goals), while the f9, in addition to doing the same than the 9, he often moves backwards, dragging central defenders out of the area, creating empty spaces

[@Telopead]

A false 9 is a striker(9) who would often drop back towards midfield to playmake. So because central attacking midfielder (10) is typically a playmaker, he’s not false 9, rather, he’s true 10.

[@michaelgrabner8977]

A false 9 is just the case when there is no striker on the pitch (striker = the forward usually waiting in the box - so at the region of the penalty point directly in front of the goal = positioned in the middle respectively - to get the ball in order to score = classical Nr 9 = Striker) .. the false 9 is the midfielder who is then coming from the midfield with high tempo either with the ball or without the ball to take situationally the striker´s position in the box in order to score a goal....but when there is a striker on the pitch already then there is no "false 9" because there is a Nr9 already...that classical 4 - 2 - 3 - 1 formation (which is basically a defensive positioned 4-5-1 with two "6er" = 2 defensive midfielder) has a striker upfront = forward positioned in the middle. A false 9 is usuallly then the case when you have 2 forwards (or just 1) but those are then positioned as wingers and not positioned in the middle and you have no forward/striker in front of the goal but a highly ball skilled midfielder who situationally then take that forward position in front of the goal receiving the passes in order to score from the 2 forwards (or that 1) positioned at the wings .or he does permantely a solorun from the midfield through the middle because he is that good in 1:1 in order to get positoned in front of the goal in order to shoot ...what usually also a striker does but he doesn´t come out of the midfield but is already positioned directly in front of the opponent´s defence line close to the box or already in the box = Nr 9 position....but the "false 9" is permanentally changing position from his midfield position then taking situationally the Nr 9 position and then back again to his midfield position...

[@fbiopenup6534]

The team I support (AC Milan) actually won the league last year using this formation, if used correctly it's unstoppable. However, those CDMs gotta be solid/available, if not most of the defensive plays are basically unplayable. This season we didn't replace one of those CDMs (Kessie) and it came back to bite us in the ass later on the season.

[@jamalsonicova2509]

The formations often are also pretty similar Just imagine the side forwards here to be farther up front and suddenly you have a 4 3 3 with a defensive mid triangle..

[@supersonic4901]

Falce 9 is actually a regular 4-2 3-1, or 4-3-2-1. The striker 9 falls back, create with midfielders offence combinations and of course he go back and defend, if needed. Check up Joachim Loews tactics, he used after 2014 no classic striker anymore, Klose was the last one.

[@footballcheck7308]

I think people confuse false 9 with a deep lying forward. When playing with F9 you typically don't have a recognised striker, it's an extremely fluid system especially attack wise. Sometimes the attack can be full of midfielders and that makes it difficult for defenders especially the 2 Cbs to mark. Where as, a DLF is an actual striker who has the technical ability on the ball to drop into the midfield to create overloads to help the team progress and has great off-ball movement that makes them also a threat in the box. They also need to lead the attack and become a focal point not as much as a "target man" is tho. To understand false 9 better watch some Mancity games last year. Also some Messi at Pep's Barça will help. To understand DLF, I think Kareem Benzema is the perfect definition. Others that come to mind are Harry Kane and Bobby Firmino.

[@tinpham6413]

The 4-2-3-1 the CDM is one of the most important position man, I remember before Casemiro come to Man United, their defense is absolutely horrible, if CDM is screw up when keeping the ball, it screwed

[@larsbiesheuvel9659]

To expand on the value of a shot, you can look into the expected goals metric. Headers for example are fairly low value shots, as they are difficult to control.

[@_BrunoSouza]

I mean, in every sport where there isn't much stoppage time, formations become not rigid. That being said, formations used to be more rigid in the past, and many strikers didn't even fill spaces. Nowadays, football (soccer, if you will) has become very dynamic, so all these changes throughout the game are necessary.

[@micheleduritto]

6:47 not really, what you are describing is the work required from a lot of regular numeber 9 this days, so hold up play and dragging the defenders to him to free up space for the wingers. The False 9 is someone that drop even deeper (and that for sure can drag defendersas well), but that actually can do...a double role, so the role of a 9 (score and poach goals when forward) and/or the role of a 10 or Trequartista (there is a comment from someone else in this comment section where i chimed in about it) and in that position, when he drop deep, he becomes the more advanced playmaker, basically the player that has enough technical quality/skill to make the final pass/assist for other player to score the goal.

[@bahamabrouk3660]

yes you are right about the false 9 but there are also deeplying forwards and Terequartista which are similar roles, here's a comparaison to understand: false nines touch the ball 2 to 3 times more than a normal striker, they are usually attacking midfielders(creative midfield) who are playing at the striker position, here's another example: imagine playing steph curry as a Center he will always come to get the ball from his teamates and then imagine the other forwards going to the space that he leaves and now he's got the vision to make like crazy quick passes

[@ryandebruijn5761]

You should watch some video's from tifo irl, they brake down matches really well. It may help you in understanding current tactics better.

[@CaraVerde]

Position wise, false 9 is similar to CAM. But role wise, both can be very different. In simple term, CAM works more like a war general, a play maker, who decides where and how the flow of the plays goes, using any players around him. Goalscoring isn't his/her main responsibility. False 9 works a bit differently. Its role is mainly offensive, like scoring goals or help others to score goals.

[@Zain-nc1ww]

15:49 it's not very common but there are some very beautiful goals from wide positions. Take a look at Seamus Coleman's goal for Everton against Leeds from February.

[@TrymYoutubeMainChannel]

4-2-3-1 is traditionally what Manchester United been using since Ole First took over then Ten Hag added a "Dutch touch" to it (4231 is basically a 433 in dutch league) the shape of midfield and such I believe is what switches to how many back 2s vs single CDM vs 2 8s .. also the wingers would go higher up in a 433 vs 4231 of the 3 offensive players 1 CAM and 2 Wings if you understand my explanation

[@anxofernandez3344]

The Central Attacking Midfielder (CAM,) is usually tye the team's playmaker, the controller and the creative director so to speak. They traditionally are the number 10. Maradona or Baggio back in their day played in that position. Ronaldinho's original position was that one too. The false 9 is a center forward that moves around the pitch, goes deep to receive the ball and help with the buildup, makes the central defenders move out of position and creates soaces that way. It's called a false 9 because the typical strikers don't move as much, they don't go as deep but they do play with their backs turned, operating almost like a pivot user to do in basketball and they are very physical and often very tall. They're called strikers because they literally strike, they are the goal scorers and they traditionally have the number 9. Positions are named after numbers because im the past, the starting 11 wore the numbers 1-11 on their shirts and the substitutes would wear other numbers. After some time, each position became associated with a number. 1 is the keeper or goalie, 2 is the right full back, 3 is the left full back. 4 is a center back, 5 and 6 can be the other CB or a Central Defensive Midfielder (CDM), 7 is the right wing, 8 is usually an interior or a box-to-box CM, 9 is the striker, 10 is the other interior or the CAM and 11 is the left wing.

[@williamjaredsimmons1201]

False nine is the name of a movement not a number of a jersey, you can wear any number in football and play a false nine which in simple terms is any striker falling deep into the midfield to attract the last line of defence in order to open spaces for runs from wingers or other players

[@keebs67]

There are KZbin interviews with mangers where they talk about a big game they managed and explain there tactics and why they used it

[@anguspaterson5713]

False 9 is a difficult thing to explain - and it's not the lone striker position, that's just the number 9. As far as I understand 'the false nine' is more of a tactic/gameplan that teams use with multiple players able to play in and around the penalty area than a position than one player playing a 'false nine' role. Pep G's Man City played 'the false nine' for a while because they didn't have a conventional 'number 9' striker (which is what a Lewandowski, a Haaland, an Osimhen is), they had G, Jesus, Sterling, Mahrez etc. They played a style where multiple players could come into a central area, drop deeper into midfield to receive a pass, make runs towards the goal or play in others running beyond them (a big chance-creating tactic in Man City's gameplay with the 'false 9' was the cut back, where they would get a wide forward onto the ball in behind and then they cut it back to another player arriving into the penalty area/around the penalty spot, which could be several different guys rather than one 'number 9' striker). If one player played the central attacking role more than any other, it was probably Gabriel Jesus, but he still wasn't a conventional 'number 9' striker so he could be described as a 'false 9'. But he often drifts wide and others come into the penalty area. Describing the 'false 9' position as a hybrid between a conventional 9 and a conventional 10 sort of covers it, but that might not cover actions like where a player like Gabriel Jesus drifts wide and can interchange with the winger/wide forward.

[@abaddon6579]

You should watch the coaches' voice. World class coaches themselves explaining their tactics

[@privatevendetta]

Changing between basic formations is not as easy is it might seem. While the situation on the pitch is fluid as you said, you normally don't change the number of defensive players or mitfielders without swapping off players. While players on the pitch can overload one side or do other tactical maneuvers, players cannot change what they are good at.

[@latjolajban81]

You're kinda on it. A 9 is the striker. False 9 means he is a striker, at least on the sheet, but he is playing deeper like a hybrid between attacking midfielder/striker instead of an all out striker. 9 is the position (striker). "False" is a role. So "false 9" basically means "fake striker".

[@jeanse9793]

you should try playing football manager. It's a bitt hard to get into, but its the most realistic simulation af being a football manager. It also stimulates you to create your own tactics

[@MegaBraddaz]

i feel like it would be pretty fun to watch you play football manager

[@patrickdawson6281]

Breaking down the numbers for you Goalkeeper 1 Centre back (R) 4 and (L) 5 Full/wing back (R) 2 and (L) 3 CDM is a 6 CM/CAM is a 8 CAM/CF/second striker is a 10 Wingers (R) 7 and (L) 11 Striker/CF is a 9 Typical modern formations in the Premier League consist of an approximate 4-3-3 with phase dependent formations for example Arsenal this year. It should be noted that modern forwards tend to be very flexible in their roles with the 7,(false)9,11 positions being able to play each other's roles, Earling Haaland is actually a bit of a throwback being a pure 9. Midfielders generally come in the 8/10 variety (KDB) or the 6/8 variety (Casimero) Defenders are currently undergoing a great deal of innovation particularly in the full/wing back position, typically inverting into a secondary role i.e Zinchencho is a left sided full back and inverts to play the 8 role in attack. Guardiola has had massive success having a centre back (Stones) invert as a 6. Truly great players tend to be able to play multiple roles to give Tottenham some flowers Harry Kane is able to play 9/(false)9/10/8 and due to the sheer terribleness of his own team this year has often progressed through the centre midfield by himself scoring 30 goals this season, sensational player.

[@ingolf82]

the player that plays behind the lone striker plays the number 10 role so in this picture here 6:34 where the striker isn't picture. Bruno Fernandes plays the number 10. which is still his best position today. I didn't think you would use a false 9 with this formation, but I was wrong. you use a false 9 in a 4-3-3 formation if your main goal threat are the wingers, like with Liverpool's Mohammed Salah. he is a winger and is the main goal threat, so Cody Gakpo plays the false 9 falling back between midfield and attack allowing Salah and Nunez or Diaz to come inside to shoot

[@KieranDooley14]

If you’re looking to learn more about the False 9 position then ‘Tifo Football’ made a whole video about that position and explains everything you’ll need to know really well and clearly. And also how the formation is affected by it! Would be a good reaction too!

[@calle9368]

I think Benzema is the perfect player as a false 9. He drops as a "creative midfielder" and gives space to Vinicius and Rodrygo to run in behind. When Real Madrid establishes play he gets into the box. A false 9 is a player who plays as a striker but the role is to give the teamates space by dropping deep.

[@ohimats]

I recommend you check out Juninho's freekicks. The footage is poor quality because it was some time ago but when in it comes to freekick, there is no discussion. Forget Messi, Ronaldo or any other. There is no one did it better. It's not even a debate among fans, all the specialists agree. You'll see curves, knuckleballs, amazing topspin, long and short distance... any freekick of his felt like a penalty.

[@unhuevo2441]

If you want to understand the false 9 position you should watch el clasico from the 2010-11 season. Guardiola played Messi as a false 9, so he stayed near the midfield and the center backs had no reference to stay with, so they were a little lost during the game. You can see that game in youtube, laliga 10-11 J13

[@nathantait7700]

Hey man react to Roberto baggio he was an absolute magician! Italian centre forward/ central attacking mid from the 90’s

[@santanamauricio]

a coach will change the formation by a substetude who come in with the game plan. if you watch a whole game the commentators (if they know what they doing) will always ask where is he lining up when he comes on

[@RainWolf2286]

Hi, you should watch all the football masterclass series by the best football coaches, check about the evolution of tactics through the years, great coaches like Helenio Herrara from Inter (catenaccio), Rinus Michels' Total Football (also Cruiff, and later evolution in the Tiki Taka of Barcelona), Herbert Chapman W-M, Jogo Bonito from Felipe Scolari, Mario Zagallo in Mexico 1970 and the Offensive Winger evolution 4-5-1 (the 4-2-4 also used on Santos FC), Argentina's and Bilardo's 3-5-2 in the 1986 World Cup and the 4-3-1-2 used for Maradona in Napoli, Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2 in the AC Milan, the Vicente Del Bosque's formation of Spain in 2010, to mention some. There is an anime and manga called AO ASHI, is very good, interesting and very heavy in tactical analysis. from a player's perspective.

[@mariusnerkven994]

The false 9 is dropping down to play more like a 10 to playmake and getting the ball to his feet because he usually is technically gifted player

[@joe256]

It's great watching you learn the sport. Talking formations, they're not as set in stone as they appear. Example I'd give you would be arsenal this season. Looking just at the list of players in the starting eleven, one would assume they intended to play a 4-2-3-1 and yet they at no point in the season did. They had two players predominantly assumed to be defensive minded (Partey and Xhaka), But had the Box to Box playing so aggressively (Xhaka). That he didn't qualify as a second CDM in the formation. So then people began to interpret it as a 4-3-3, but that was still inaccurate, being as during possession , there was no four at the back, and the two CMs in front of the DM didn't necessarily behave like CMs. So in the end people interpreted it as a 3-2-5, which was a bit more accurate. Moral of the story, the formation they show on the TV before the beginning of the game very often doesn't mean anything. Take some interest in player average positions. I'd recommend an app known as sofa score to get them after every game. They better explain what players are actually doing. Also, you could look up the box midfield which has been all the rage this season. Almost all top teams have attempted to deploy one. Cheers.

[@user-dh5un6wr8f]

The positioning of the players in soccer is not rigid. It really depends on the style of play that the coach wants to implement, as well as the individual roles of the players. It is important to note that the different formations facilitate certain ways of playing, in the case of 4-2-3-1 it is a very balanced formation that allows you to have good coverage of spaces. So the coach must select (if he intends to play this way) the players that best fit those specific roles that are required. If we compare the midfield of Pep Guardiola's Barcelona (4-3-3) we will see that Busquets' role is to be in charge of distributing the ball in the build up, as well as providing support to the defense. However, "defense" in Guardiola's philosophy does not refer to staying compact and not allowing empty space as might be the case with Mourinho. Pep's teams defend by maintaining possession, so Busquets is not a particularly good player in traditional defensive tasks (he is neither fast nor strong) but he is exceptional in maintaining possession. And even though it's still the same position (DMF) it's a different player than Declan Rice or Casemiro. That's why you can't ask Busquets to play a double pivot for Mourinho's Inter, he simply doesn't have the ability to fulfill that role. In the case of Messi, as a center forward he can fulfill the role of false nine, but he cannot act as a target man, unlike strikers like Ibrahimovic or Giroud. So although it is true that the formations are fluid throughout the game, the roles must always be well defined, since that is the guideline of the style of play, the role is, in simple terms, the function that the coach expects the player to perform, but if he doesn't he may be replaced. It is also important that the player is satisfied with his role so that he can perform it correctly and maintain a good relationship with the coach.

[@mphosethong5210]

Great stuff please watch Tifo football and Statman Dave for a more practical aproach as they gives solid structure analysis of premiere league games. The whole idea though comes from watching a team over and over... Then it would be easy to understand each player''s characteristic and role in relation to the coaching structure....

[@H4RVE7]

Teams usually use 4231 if they have a really good number 10 (cam)

[@jadercarvalhojc]

That numer thing is really particular to soccer. It's more about what we are used to the players wearing some shirt numbers to do, and with years goin by that number many times translate the position of the player. As would hapen years ago, tipicaly shirt number 1 is the goalkeeper, 2 is often associated with the right fullback and 6 with the left fullback, many times the centerbacks are 3 and 4, many times we were used to see midfielders wearing shirts like 5, 7, 8 and 10. The number 10 often is associated as the ofensive midfielder responsible for play making at the attack, the best player on the team, usually the one that dribles well, has excelent pass skills and mid to far range kick to the goal, many times an excelent player to kick the ball from free kicks. Number 9 and 11 are usualy strikers with number 9 being that classic striker, the one that when has the ball in his foot is probably almost certain to make the goal. (Well, in the pitch just plays 11 players so, when a player comes from the bench into play, probably it will have other numbers and that sort of differences, but this was as it would be the starter numbers years ago, usually you would see the best players starting the games with that numbers) So this is what we is used to see since forever, so some of this numbers are used still today to talk about some player characteristics and that sort of thing. When we talk about the false 9 we are saying basicaly that this player plays in the Classic Striker position, but will not necessarilly do the 9 shirt role on the field. Many times it will pull the defenders who are in one-to-one opening spaces for the wings or the offensive midfielders to penetrate on defense lines. Many times you'll see someone saying tha a player is a Classic 9, it means that is a real threat making goals, kicking from whatever position, short or long range, making goals from headers or even if is with his back turned to the goal. A player who is a classic 10 is that excelent pass skilled player, even short or long range passes. kicks well, dribbles well, and goes on. Hope it helped! ;)

[@Bnathann]

Great video about Guti just dropped from Raymar Football.

[@singitam1965]

You should check out Masterclass by Jose & other top coaches explaining their tactics

[@albertgandiamodol5311]

in a 4-3-3 the false nine is the center striker wich comes downto help the 3 midfilders. The best and most clear false nine is Messi when Guardiola moved him from the wing position to the center to help xavi iniesta ans busquets to have the control in the midfield and with henry and eto'o playing as wingers that are going straight forward to score. To understand it better you may watch early games from Messi and then watch the entire game of the 2-6 in el clasico, then you will see the differences ;)