The Mother in Heaven and Her Children - Margaret Barker - 2015 Fair Mormon Conference

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[@benpassey6509]

How MB is not a Latter-day Saint is curious. She has many great insights into the OT that are straight up restoration doctrine.

[@teceyS3]

She's Ministering in the area of the Vinyard where she can do the most good, for the Gathering of Israel 😉🥰

[@truleecarpenter6917]

She talks about things I have always felt but weren't taught....at least by earthly teachers.

[@janaunvoyles4293]

I have had a strong belief for a long time that the Holy Spirit could very well be a female entity, but never discussed it because those at church never do. Mary, being the mother of Christ, makes so much sense to me, that She would give birth in mortality to the firstborn of heaven. The Holy Trinity consists of the father, mother, and child - family, the most basic and sacred unit known to man. I am so very grateful to have come across this video this morning. I am grateful to you for presenting the paper and sharing your testimony and beliefs on this matter. THANK YOU! I wish you well and look forward to getting your book and reading it.

[@lorihaun9956]

My dad once mentioned of a possibility that the Holy Ghost could be a woman, too. 😊

[@miklamx]

This is a beautiful analysis and confirms what Joseph Smith said, "we believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it's translated correctly". I appreciated her trail and comments that parts of Revelation are unknown as well as the appearance of damage in Isaiah and someone messing with the stories. I will admit to having a challenge with fundamentalist "Christians" who insist they understand everything the Bible has to give and bully others using ridicule. The beautiful fact of this presentation is there is so much more to read, study and interpret. If the Holy Ghost is a woman or if a Mother in Heaven has had and continues to have influence on mankind, that is extremely motivating and emotional.

[@ateekahmitik324]

Mike Lamoreaux ❤️✨🌙✨

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

Barker’s contribution to scholarship on the religion of the First Temple is immense and I’m happy to see it attracts both Mormons and Orthodox Christians. I care little for mainstream western Christian viewpoints on her subject insofar as they are biased against her scholarship that complicates Godhead in a way that opens to both LDS and Historical Christian theology. Protestantism has focused on a more ‘Deuteronomical’ take on religion closing the door to the older tradition both which informs ancient church history and its root in the revealed faith of the Patriarchs of ancient Israel.

[@diegolucero9910]

This is probably one of the most spiritually confirming academic sleeves I have ever watched.

[@noahhumphreys4235]

I love how she roasts someone’s handwriting near the end 😂

[@Rudyard_Stripling]

WOW, what a treasure trove of information that you have spent so much time on, thank you Margaret Baker.

[@mother2midwife]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! She needs to be remembered and not hidden anymore 👸

[@margaretbarker4434]

Bless you and thank you thank you so much so good to see and hear this it is truly real to me thank you again Margaret Bakker amen

[@lindamartinez7006]

@@margaretbarker4434

[@bookwizards]

I enjoyed her lecture so much I searched and found several more on this subject and also found them to be well worth the time spent watching them. Very much recommended to anyone interested in the beliefs and legends of the peoples of the eastern Mediterranean. Much of this shares content with the KZbin videos on "God's Wife" also The Queen of Heaven and several other Goddesses of Israel and surrounding peoples. I had purchased the Book "Did God Have a Wife" by William Dever and after reading it I listened to the Author give some lectures on the subject then Margret Barker showed up on the Recommended videos on the right side of the screen with several lectures on The Mother of Heaven and I found much common ground and overlap in the information in the videos. Very interesting and William Dever includes a lot of Archeological materials including numerous inscriptions to God and Ashra on pottery and also many small clay images of Ashra. This is a very good lecture by Margret Barker and she has several to choose from I watched several and they complemented those by William Dever very well

[@ryanpalmquist4823]

Down the rabbit hole I go...

[@Zxuma]

😂 Go knowing it is all conjectured imagination of near Far East soothsayers obsessed with copying everyone else’s stories as their own…repurposed conundrum or Mesopotamian shenanigans.

[@LaurenDelsackAstrologer]

Barker is brilliant

[@will9579]

Great appreciation to Margaret Barker for sharing her work and knowledge. Great stuff!

[@mormonconvert5726]

This was a fantastic talk. I could listen to her all day.

[@khemingw]

God help us. No wonder there was a falling away in the early church. 2Tim 4:3-4

[@recsporteducation4594]

Really well done. love this.

[@LaurenDelsackAstrologer]

Amen Margaret! May the Mother in Heaven Bless You

[@mother2midwife]

Oh! Wow! I’m sharing this with all my friends! So insightful into Mary ❤️

[@kennyinliverpool]

Thank you -- this is amazing.

[@ryanpalmquist4823]

I LOVE HER!!!! WHAT A BEAUTIFUL FUNNY QUICK WOMAN!!!

[@vickyhenderson22669]

I am a Mormon who was a Athiest I was invited through the veil and met the light and mother her name is Sophia or wisdom her name is in Luke 7:35. I HAVE MORE IF INTERESTED MOSIAH 8:20.

[@maryanngarner]

Totally agree

[@maryanngarner]

I am interested in more

[@gracegiven8875]

I would like to know more

[@bonnieburrello353]

HOLY HEAVENLY MOTHER WISDOM EVE IS THE MOTHER OF US ALLLL LIVING LIFES! 🌹🌞🛡🗡🌎👑🌹👸🎁🌿

[@elyudekrane15]

The Mother of us all is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and we are her children and the one who most perfectly represents this and is a spiritual another to us is our Lords Mother, the Theotokos, Mary.

[@BK-bg6pl]

thank you for adding the handouts.

[@charlesfreeman3897]

If anyone who actually cares wants to see the verse she cites from Jeremiah in context (around 29:00), see Jeremiah 44:16-18

[@a.baillio2188]

Thanks!

[@CGeeThompkins]

I admire the effort we invest in gaining knowledge. Indeed, it is essential to our eternal progression. Albeit, learning void of the companionship of he who testifies of all truth is a futile waste of time. My condolences Ms. Barker.

[@bonnieburrello353]

SPIRIT DOES POSSESS LIVING LIFES! OF SPIRIT N OF FLESH! 🌹🌞🛡🗡🌎👑🌹👸🎁🌿

[@GMMXX80]

Did I miss the point of this? I'm not the most intellectual person but is this in reference to the hymn O My Father? Because I read the passage in Revelation to mean Mary the mortal mother of Jesus. Right? The Bible isn't implying a Goddess, correct? If this woman were implying the Bible speaks of a Goddess, she would have ro denounce her faith and accept Joseph Smith or denounce Christianity altogether. Joseph Smith is the only that implied otherwise. Am I misunderstanding this?

[@watermelonlalala]

NeoMahi - once she dies she is going to become the new Joseph Smith and a New World Order is going to start. They don't want her around to interfere with the political BS they are going to introduce.

[@TracyO888]

Do research about the only begotten daughter. SHE is described as 'the finest daughter of HER MOTHER which is MOTHER OF ALL. SHE, wisdom, is quoted as being born. SHE'S HERE! Whirled events and weather reflects the warnings we were given about HER! There is a few videos on KZbin that explains HER through scripture, since SHE is HIS bride. Happy seeking!! 😊

[@kimberlyolsen9416]

I have always believed we have a Heavenly Mother and that she helped in the creation process. However, I cannot wrap my head around the Holy Ghost being that person. As a member of the Godhead the Holy Ghost is male. If that were not true I think Joseph Smith would have said so. Unless and until I hear differently from the Brethren...the Prophet and Apostles I will continue to believe as I do. I will say this was quite interesting and I appreciate all the scholarly time put into this presentation.

[@momelias]

Kimberly Olsen I don’t think that the Holy Ghost is Mother, but if you’ll research you’ll find the Holy Ghost is female.

[@andrewj.lacayo6256]

@@momelias wrong. The Holy Ghost is a male, son of God (eom.byu.edu/index.php/Holy_Ghost)

[@momelias]

@@andrewj.lacayo6256 thank you for the interesting link but as there is much more evidence for the a Holy Ghost being female than what you’ve presented to the contrary, I’ll keep thinking that she is a female BUT it’s just an interesting idea not something I hang my testimony on. 👍🏼

[@avoice423]

No, our Devine mother is not a personage of spirit but is as our Father in heaven having a body of flesh and bone. Nephi saw the Holy Spirit face to face and conversed with him .

[@lindamartinez7006]

@@momeliasyou honestly need to to go by church doctrine and nothing else . The very latest thing in a conference said on Heavenly Mother was by Gary E Stevenson . You may want to go watch that one . He says even the prophet and apostles do not know very much on this subject and you do not pray to Heavenly mother . We know we have Heavenly parents that is for sure . This nice lady has the scripture all wrong about the woman who flees in the dessert . It is the church not Heavenly Mother .

[@ConciseCabbage]

Wasn’t the Mother in Heaven expelled in the Old Testament because she was worshipped as the Queen of Heaven and the prophets said that was an abomination?

[@lebotonton]

Notre céleste mère n'a pas de rituel.

[@charlesfreeman3897]

Yes you are correct. Or at least, the Israelites were smited because the women worshiped a “queen of heaven.” It actually says this in the chapter she cites from Jeremiah. So, it’s actually really absurd to see a modern speaker advocating for Old Testament style idolatry. But that is indeed what Barker is doing.

[@dorinamary7863]

@@charlesfreeman3897 It depends on who you believe does the smiting.

[@benpassey6509]

Barker has another great lecture about the Deuteronimical reforms and basically calls King Zedikiah out for making progressive Israelite changes to the temple, basically apostate. It coincides with the Nephite exodus from Jerusalem as well as several other branches of true believers that left. Really good stuff.

[@lizbethdiehl318]

Excellent talk! Did anyone hear her mention why she believes the Holy Ghost in scripture was clearly listed as a male being vs female?

[@rubarb0406]

Elizabeth, For all the scriptures on the Holy Ghost, why is he/she only listed as a personage. If you are up for an interesting read, pick up "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ" by Levi. In this work, the Holy Ghost is represented as a female. The dove as a symbol for a man . . .? The Holy Ghost as a creature of sensitivity. . . Sounds like a woman to me. . .

[@andrewj.lacayo6256]

@@rubarb0406 the Holy Ghost is male-1 Nephi 11:11

[@andrewj.lacayo6256]

The Holy Ghost is male-1 Nephi 11:11

[@avoice423]

Nephi saw him face to face

[@lindamartinez7006]

@@avoice423could you give that scripture where Nephi sees the Holy Ghost face to face ??

[@lindamartinez7006]

The woman is the church . The church flees into the wilderness . The great apostasy . Yes we believe in Heavenly Mother but this scripture is not describing Heavenly Mother .

[@compassionatepsychopath]

scriptures can have multiple interpretations

[@Valhalla369]

May I also suggest, ma'am, that your suggestions could be wrong? and that there are way too many of them? and that they are biased toward what you wish to see?

[@jaket5751]

Study her books, then her sources. Learn Hebrew, Latin and Greek. Then if you come to a different answer, please share! We need more scholars who know the language. So far, 6 years in this. She has so much good to offer. Not 100% as no one is but worth the serious consideration.

[@TracyO888]

There are no vowels in Hebrew. Their customs/beliefs/law tells them to read the Torah each year to receive a different understanding or teaching. The entire language and scrolls are designed to accomplish this. She clearly stated this a few times. Greater knowledge of truth removes fears of receiving. The scholar community openly accepts over 900 translations of Genesis 1:1. Instead of demanding proof of truth, attempt to prove wrong through your OWN research and not just videos from others.

[@watermelonlalala]

This woman is the Dr. Rosenberg of her era. We aren't going to worship the God your grandparents worshiped, we are going to worship Thor and Odin/The Mother.

[@BK-bg6pl]

where do I find her website?

[@byufrosh]

Very interesting information from a non LDS scholar. The JST clearly shows that the woman in Revelation is The Church of Jesus Christ. The man child is the kingdom of God. The fleeing into the wilderness is the great apostasy. Note this verse D&C 33:5 5 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that this church have I established and called forth out of the wilderness.

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

Yeah, no. Wrong on every point, lacking all insight based on knowledge of scripture and the Church.

[@yl8901]

I appreciate her research but I don't think it is all that inspired mainly because she is not part of the restored gospel. If mother in heaven was part of the temple why would she not be restored in the Book of Mormon or in D&C or in our temples? I don't think that is right that she is saying. Also the fact that she believes that Heavenly mother is the holy ghost is also wrong concept. However, I believe that perhaps there were mention of heavenly mother in the old testament that might have been changed, that is plausible. I can see how Eve and Mary could be a type of Heavenly mother to tell a story or symbolize a certain aspects of her story and that she is the mother off all of us.

[@JennyS161]

Margarets work is based in fact, through her research of the ancient Hebrew language and the old Testament. It was through her studies that she actually discovered that Holy Spirit is our mother. Read Proverbs and you will see in Wisdom a beautiful description of Holy Spirit.

[@Lifeletnothingholdudown]

Wate why is she saying the Holy ghost is a female when it clearly says in 1 Nephi 11:11 And I said unto him: To know the interpretations thereof- for I spoke unto him as a man speaketh for I beheld that he was in the form of a man; yet neverless, I knew that it was the spirit of the Lord; and he spoke unto me as a man speaketh with another. I don't believe this represents the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the church has never taught that the Holy Ghost was a female.

[@fairldsorg]

This has nothing to do with the FLDS church. We are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. However, Margaret Barker is not a member of the church - she was a special guest speaker who is well known for her studies of temples, and she is just giving her opinion here.

[@Lifeletnothingholdudown]

@@fairldsorg ok I think she is interesting but if you are representing the church it can be confusing to those out there that do not follow the Book of Mormon the video can be is misleading for those not in the church or have never read the book of Mormon. I removed that is the fundamentalist Church. Shouldn't you stick to the Book of Mormon Doctrine so there is no confusion on what we believe.

[@mc2studios102]

Ruach is a feminine word in hebrew the equivalent in Greek is neutral and masculine in Latin. The notion of holy spirit being masculine as opposed to feminine is a product of Latin not scripture. Barker argues in her book on John's gospel that Jesus referring to himself in the third person when he spoke of the spirit of truth and referred to it as a he.

[@Kathy.Farrey]

2:00 ish

[@JohnSmith-im5di]

You claim Mary is the pregnant woman clothed with the Sun in Rev 12. How do you then reconcile her perfect sinless state with her screaming out in the pangs of childbirth. Since the agony of childbirth was a result of the curse on sin. She must have had a fallen human nature. We won't know till her grave is located.

[@nobodykilledme9641]

nigga the agony of child birth is because eve sinned has nothin to do with our sins .

[@watermelonlalala]

John, you are correct. She is such a BS artist. Just because she says she has the old path doesn't mean she does.

[@TracyO888]

@@watermelonlalala Brilliant. Must of missed the part about HER BEING MOTHER OF ALL!!!! SHE TAUGHT YASHUA AND IS THE OLD AND NEW PATH!!!

[@ConciseCabbage]

John Smith - You’re correct. The church fathers have always interpreted the woman in pangs of childbirth as Israel producing the messiah (definitely an arduous process).

[@donnguyen7640]

I would only accept Mary like the Lady figurine n the 1st Temple as a symbol (icon) of the Holy Spirit (Wisdom). Likewise, I would comparably reflect what is in heaven as it is on earth that the Trinity is simply symbolized (iconized) by Joseph (Father), Jesus (Son) and Mary (Spirit). Nothing to do with Mary as a divine being or as the Mother of God.

[@daric_]

There is only one God and none other. Isaiah 43:10, 44:6-8, 45:5, 46:9, Deut. 6:4, 32:39.

[@KentRogers]

"...and they shall be one flesh" Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5; Ephesians 5:31

[@Pecospup]

Thank you for the references. We agree with all of them taken in context. By the way, this woman is not a member of our church, however fascinating her research is.Oh, and then there is this reference... Acts 7:55-56

[@daric_]

"at the right hand of the Father" was an idiom. You can't take it literally, or else Jesus would have literally been sitting in the right palm of God. This was clear to Jews at the time that Christ had the fulness of the power, glory, and authority of the Father. This is not proof God the Father is a separate God or that God the Father has a body. Regarding God: The Father cannot be seen (John 1:18) The Father is in unapproachable light (1 Timothy 6:16) The Father is the invisible God (Colossians 1:15) The Father is Spirit (John 4:24) Spirit has not flesh and bones as Jesus (during His incarnation in the flesh and after His resurrection) has (Luke 24:39)

[@daric_]

Also, Joseph Smith taught clearly before his death that the godhead is composed of 3 separate gods. And Bruce R. McConkie taught in Mormon Doctrine that there are an infinite number of gods. To say that this is opposite of the monotheism taught by the Bible is a vast understatement. Just being clear.

[@Trotter711]

Joseph gave us a fuller understanding of the nature of God, his plan of happiness and the role of Christ and man in that plan. I challenge you to go and read the sermons of Joseph Smith. Simply reading his sermons gave me a powerful testimony of his important calling.

[@JohnSmith-im5di]

" I have no idea if Jesus was a twin'............ Well, what book do you get your doctrine from ? The book of Mormon?????? Read the Gospels. It's fairly clear He was not. You Catholics have a very distorted understanding of Scripture. Female Holy Spirit ?, Mother of Heaven ?

[@alchemicalweddings7489]

I think Margaret Barker is a Methodist

[@happylatter-daysaint3503]

Margaret Baker is Not a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon). She was a guest speaker that was invited to speak to some members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. God Bless!! ❤❤❤

[@TracyO888]

OR... maybe she didn't take someone else's word for it and LEARNED the language it was WRITTEN IN!!???

[@alchemicalweddings7489]

@@TracyO888 yes that's right, Margaret is a linguistics expert, that's how she's been able to make such headway

[@donnguyen7640]

I would only accept Mary like the Lady figurine n the 1st Temple as a symbol (icon) of the Holy Spirit (Wisdom). Likewise, I would comparably reflect what is in heaven as it is on earth that the Trinity is simply symbolized (iconized) by Joseph (Father), Jesus (Son) and Mary (Spirit). Nothing to do with Mary as a divine being or as the Mother of God