The My Lai Massacre: History, Lessons, and Legacy

[@shable1436]

This is supposed to be about my Lai but the general used the time to say how it isn't like the army to do this, but yet th army covered it up all the way to the top, so he is full of shit

[@lucasljs1545]

The army does this everywhere on the world, every soldier is a psychopath pedophile.

[@alexanderjames6328]

The American army is one of the most untrustworthy in the world, they have a lot to answer for.

[@shable1436]

Thank you for the upload, this is great info on the tragedy

[@conradsieber7883]

Just heard a Vietnam vet say he received no training on the Geneva conventions prior to deployment. Helps me understand how Calley's men didn't understand following orders is not a defense for war crimes. My Lai underscores the importance of moral leadership under the extreme conditions of war...

[@conradsieber7883]

The helicopter pilot that tried to stop the massacre and helped some civilians survive was interviewed. He reports being given very dangerous missions after My Lai and was convinced the army leadership was trying to get him killed to silence him.

[@markbarnes2041]

I'm actually retired army and this deals me with shame

[@scoon2117]

The whole profession is shameful, even if you were forced into it.

[@TheHeesom]

Don’t feel shame..feel proud for how you conducted yourself. In the history of military there has always been soldiers whom conduct themselves like animals..that’s the disgust and reality of humans who act in such a way. Unfortunately any large institution will cover and protect its reputation.i don’t say this to excuse it but merely to point out the fact that all military’s would cover and protect the institution.. A sickening truth

[@conradsieber7883]

This outrageous dismissal of charges and jury nullifications helps me understand the military's present day failure to charge and hold responsible officers who sexually assault female service members.

[@gailjohnson8315]

I'm so glad somebody mention the rapes. As an American I'm so ashamed what happened at My Lai and with the agent orange. Dear God please help all who were affected.

[@davidgarcia4657]

How come the commies don't mention the massacres at Hue just before My Lai? Hundreds were found in mass graves, buried alive, decapitated, whole families killed. Our guys didn't do that in My Lai if I'm not mistaken. There were many massacres committed by the VC and NVA but of course the people that were around then who lost family members to those butchers aren't allowed to point fingers are they? But they communists have the gall to point the finger at us. Anti American propaganda nothing more by them and our media. Frankly, I'm glad our guys got away with My Lai just like they did at Hue.

[@myo7697]

@@davidgarcia4657 they killed and raped so that makes it ok to kill and rape is what you are saying . Imagine a nation doing this in america you would hate it but because it is outside america you defend and make exeuses.

[@shable1436]

@@myo7697 Don't argue with this person, he is ignorant and a boot licker, evil begets evil, it's a perpetual circle until someone is brave enough to put down arms and forgive

[@conradsieber7883]

Don't think the armed forces can handle these high stakes investigations and trials internally. Anyone who understands bureaucracies will not be surprised by this failure...

[@RoxannSnyder]

The men did not feel the pride that WW2 soldiers felt. They knew the public’s feelings about this war. They were not heroes. I saw a public TV series on Vietnam & they interviewed people from both sides. The American soldiers, some that were there that day, and Vietnamese, who had survived. Huge tragedy!

[@jefflin3109]

CSIS should release a smaller version of these videos where the fillers are removed.

[@davidcockrill7115]

I flew over My Lai for months in 1970 before the event became notorious. The village was on a flight pattern when landing and taking off at Duc Pho. I would study the burnt out hamlets and wondered what had happened to it. My Lai looked like hundreds of abandoned villages around I Corps. When the story broke, my Aviation company flew international news crews into My Lai. I remember one trip we carried a Japanese journalist team with a big video or film camera. Of course, our magazines were usually dated because they were mailed by family members from the United States. We were also busy serving the grunt soldiers and Marines who were still fighting battles throughout the Americal Division's area of operations.

[@scoon2117]

What we did was pure evil.

[@brianmarcum8306]

Is Hugh Thompson and his crew mentioned in this discussion?

[@1985collado]

"In the days of slavery...You got the privilege of living in the house...Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture"

[@davidcockrill7115]

1:42:50 In Basic Training at Fort Knox during February 1969, our Drill Instructor discussed the Nazi soldiers' reasoning that they were just following orders. Our Drill Sergeant talked about the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the right to disobey an unlawful order. He said you can refuse an order but it later decided to be a lawful order then you can be tried for disobeying a lawful order.

[@alu6363]

Absolutely discusting! If you kill a unarmed civilian on duty then you need to face maximum punishment! Regardless how long this was ago.

[@alexanderjames6328]

The Americans have always thought themselves above world laws... they will get their Karma... it is a matter of time.

[@dennissalisbury496]

Street Without Joy: The French Debacle in Indochina (Stackpole Military History Series) Paperback - February 16, 2018 by Bernard Fall (Author) First published in 1961 by Stackpole Books, Street without Joy is a classic of military history. Journalist and scholar Bernard Fall vividly captured the sights, sounds, and smells of the brutal- and politically complicated-conflict between the French and the Communist-led Vietnamese nationalists in Indochina. The French fought to the bitter end, but even with the lethal advantages of a modern military, they could not stave off the Viet Minh insurgency of hit-and-run tactics, ambushes, booby traps, and nighttime raids. The final French defeat came at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, setting the stage for American involvement and a far bloodier chapter in Vietnam‘s history. Fall combined graphic reporting with deep scholarly knowledge of Vietnam and its colonial history in a book memorable in its descriptions of jungle fighting and insightful in its arguments. After more than a half a century in print, Street without Joy remains required reading.

[@JCResDoc94]

21:50 intro 1 begins

[@phanvanhoa]

To be fair, Hue Massacre should also be studied... though few documents could be found.

[@davidgarcia4657]

They don't want the documents found. The Viet cong massacred as many people in Hue, hundreds perhaps thousands and hardly anything is mentioned of that. My Lai was Americans so I guess that made it more barbaric than what the Viet Cong did. I believe the North Vietnamese used My Lai as propaganda to rile up an already frustrated American public wanting to end the war. That's Americans for you. When we're winning it's rah, rah, rah, go get em! But when we're not the whining starts.

[@shable1436]

@@davidgarcia4657 public was never behind Nam, if you read JFK book about the Indonesian crisis and how it evolved from WW2 and prior events you will see the big picture of why it was important to the global and strategic advantage to democracy of the US, but in hindsight you can see that today Vietnam is basically like the rest of Asia, and Laos and Cambodia are lagging, but it's an elitist war, general public cared less about that place, or didn't even know where it was, the government slipped in in underneath the publics feet, then had no strategy for peace from the start, similar to Afghanistan, you can't win a war of idealist, you can only commit genocide to wipe that out, look at history, this has happened time immemorial.

[@lucasljs1545]

@@davidgarcia4657 stop defending the pedophile capital of the world that is The United States of America.

[@whatname4613]

@@davidgarcia4657 wow,a My Lai apologist,a real cretin.

[@alexanderjames6328]

@@davidgarcia4657 So.. you are saying that Americans should be allowed to get away with anything? You are a serious problem for the USA, an embarrassment.

[@wilhelmhesse1348]

Fred Borch got some of the facts wrong, the shooting had started before Calley had the villagers brought to the ditch. Dr Folis is a man who strongly believes in justice and it is gratifying to know there are people out there who seek justice for victims no matter the length of time which may have passed. Alot of other terrible war crimes were committed which strangely enough the perpetrators weren't charged with such as rape and torture. Those who attacked the villagers of My Lai were not soldiers, they were thugs of the worst kind and many of them till today still say they were only obeying orders. May they burn in hell in one form or the other. As far as letting those perpetrators go and die off in the sunset...put yourself in the victims shoes...justice must be served in one form or the other

[@dps6198]

So you were there and this is first hand information?

[@alexanderjames6328]

Stop lying... your American army friends are guilty of murder. The more I think about it... the more I understand 9/11.

[@daphuc502]

-1. Dr Erik Villard , terrible mistake in the very first sentences. the 1954 geneva conference did not divided vietnam between communist and non communist , it divided Vietnam between Vietnamese in the North and all FRENCH , French military , French colonial government in the South , signed between Hanoi and Paris , it were not signed between Hanoi and Saigon , or Moscow and Washington such were in Korea or Germany. I know the Americans are very ignorant , very against it in the first place , so they knew absolutely nothing about it , but 70 years after the treaty, at least find the f^^%ing actual treaty and bloody read it before calling yourself historian.

[@shable1436]

When general started talking about how nam was so different and blahing off then says 6000 days in Afghanistan I 😂😂 because the army hasn't learned anything about exit strategy, it's all about saving face, which drags you into deep water and more wars down the road, perpetual conflict is what they want otherwise they are out of a job, imagine that. A US without a need for military

[@jakeyjakey4018]

joseph berger is full of crap😂 they dont teach your average soldier nil about laws😂 i would also like to note that 1 in 3 veterans from the US military are arrested and jailed at least once

[@toothpick5932]

the American soldiers created more Viet Cong where ever they go. if the civilians were not then a Viet Cong they would be after the Americans come. that is how American win the so called' heart and mind' of the Vietnamese

[@playinragz8183]

Your silly! You think the VC were nice? You think they didn’t murder rape and torture? Your just silly

[@toothpick5932]

@@playinragz8183 what proof?

[@toothpick5932]

@@playinragz8183 I had my lai as my proof . What is your proof?

[@playinragz8183]

@@toothpick5932 Hanoi Hilton… Villagers who cooperated with America missing limbs …. Murder without consequence HOW BOUT THAT MR HYPOCRITE

[@toothpick5932]

@@playinragz8183 at least they put you in prison after capture you when your bombing airplane went down. But you killed the whole village of women and children! And went home with no consequence! Who is the hypocrite?

[@hambone2335]

If there is a hell most of these soldiers will go to hell for sure.

[@markandaimeelou]

Bergers comments are laughable. Recorded war crimes in both Afghanistan and Iraq (Abu Grabe is just one example).

[@tedoymisojos]

Appalling and dissapointing.

[@HOTPLATEGAMING]

March 16, 1968 #neverforget

[@abooswalehmosafeer173]

I am reading 10minutes 38 seconds. Vietnam:You never really lived until you nearly died. The journey of Leila's Zippo. My Lai Massacre. How will each and all of the perpetrators of Massacres across History and Time will be judged? How will each victims feel redeemed? Humankind.Humanity.Mankind.Womankind. Elif Shafak is a great Writer.In 10 minutes..she treads where the fainted of hearts dare not even glance!! And even now at this present instant massacres and massacres are perpetuated in every inch corner of this little Dark Planet,with silent and conniving glances of Institutions all over. Hypocrisy,Facades,Fakes,Silence wriiten large on the walls of the Carbinised and carbonated Sky. Cry,my beloved Earth I cry with You.

[@emargonne9139]

Adopt me

[@shable1436]

Africa been crying for centuries

[@davidgarcia4657]

if there were any lessons to be learned from that Vietnam fiasco it was (1) don't commit to a war if you're not intending to win it, (2) Don't tie one hand behind soldiers backs and expect them to win (3) put people in charge who know what the eff they're doing. Now we're in Afghanistan for how many years? and we seem to be making the same eff-ups like in Nam. Haven't learned a damn thing.

[@michaelforis4496]

My thoughts go back to ww2 McCarthy And Joachim Peiper. And what malmedy during the battle of the Bulge. And all the executions of us service men for war crime very prominent court judgement

[@davidcockrill7115]

My sympathy is with the soldiers who snapped. After being mortared, snipers, picking up injured allied troops blown to pieces by land mines, stinking dead American soldiers' bodies: I can understand the extreme hatred suffered by young soldiers who were going to high school the year before.

[@herecomesforego1787]

tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner, donc??

[@giannizappone6140]

😅

[@giannizappone6140]

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[@markandaimeelou]

Disgraceful. Far from an isolated crime. Nothing has changed in the US military. Calley was supported by much of the public. Make America great again 😂