Vietnam War Historian Breaks Down 8 Vietnam War Scenes In Movies And TV | How Real Is It? | Insider

[@johnharris6655]

I once heard a Vietnam vet tell a bunch of students who thought Platoon was an very real depiction of war. The vet said "No a real depiction would be you and 9 friends go see Platoon, 5 of them get killed , 2 are horribly wounded, 2 commit suicide when they get home and you are left with survivors guilt. "

[@benjaminwilliams3568]

Exactly Matter of fact Statement.❤❤❤❤

[@matsjohansson2657]

Wasn’t it like 2% of the Americans who did die?

[@300thNPC]

Lol so with his logic nothing can ever be depicted

[@johnharris6655]

@@300thNPC this was a Brown Water Navy vet who suffered 3rd degree burns over 80% of his body. He was just trying to convey the horrors of war because no movie could ever truly explain how it really is.

[@300thNPC]

@@johnharris6655 Pretty brutal. Fair point

[@JoeyArmstrong2800]

My dad was a Vietnam vet and took me to see Platoon on my 15th birthday. When the movie was over we sat there in silence for what seemed like an eternity. My dad couldn't move, he was absolutely a wreck of emotion. I had to call my mom from the theater payphone to come pick us up. I'll never forget this moment. R.I.P Pops. Still missing you down here.

[@guydegregg6869]

Platoon really hit me too, I wasn't gonna watch it ,but I did and it was a accurate depiction of the four Infantry platoons I served with in the field and in garrison.

[@rcfrantzen7290]

I also remember seeing this in person as a 13-year-old. At the time I didn't really know much about the Vietnam War. I remember when the movie ended not a soul moved until Adiago for Strings was done and all the credits flowed, and the lights came on. No one really spoke either.

[@Ruger44Redhawk]

I'll never forget as a kid in 1st grade in 1986 when Platoon came out and my parents got a babysitter for my brother and I. They went to see Platoon with some other parents including my neighbor. My dad was a Green Beret combat vet with 3rd Special Forces Group, the Bravo Bears 1968-70. Their motto, "We do bad things to bad people." He received the Bronze Star with 'V' Device, two Air Medals and two Army Commendation Medals. Anyway, years later my neighbor, Dr. Sprague, told me that after they saw Platoon they went to a bar and my dad said that was as real as it got and opened up about what had happened. He saw some bloody stuff as his Platoon was attacked by a VC squad with RPG's. He lost some of his buddy's and held them as they bled out. I read a lot of this in the binder full of letters he wrote home. I kid you not, I'm reading the script to the movie Platoon. He passed away when I was in college in 2001. The hardest working man I've ever known. Miss him very much.

[@richardmartin2646]

I recommend you read the book. It's on KZbin also kill anything that moves. I had friends over there.

[@jarink1]

I saw it in a packed theater in Minneapolis with a salty old CW3 who was a Vietnam vet and several other soldiers, all E-4 and below (we were in the Army Reserves). When we congregated in the lobby after it was over, he simply muttered something like "Damn. Let's get going, boys." He hardly said another word the rest of the night.

[@SushiDan23]

I'm really surprised he didn't review the most accurate Vietnam film of all time. Tropic thunder.

[@aliasmarg8ta127]

I know! How disappointing.

[@scottbarkley496]

DIET COOOOOOOOKE

[@Klaus-em3ix]

It's a film about a film and there Producers (Tom Cruise). It's how to make a very bad Vietnam movie.

[@SushiDan23]

@@Klaus-em3ix you mean it's not accurate??? I thought Robert Downey Jr was an actual black man until I read your comment and did some research.

[@renecomedy]

Hahaha😂

[@siouxzgreene6274]

My husband was a LRRP68-69 central highlands. Platoon was his film of choice for realism. He returned home in 69 but mentally he never left the bush, the nightmares, the cautiousness everywhere he went. And up until a few years before he passed from agent Orange related illnesses, he would not talk about being in country.

[@dicksonfranssen]

I've heard this more than once. Veterans get irritated by someone mumbling "thank you for your service" when they have no idea what it is they're thankful for. My parents were liberated in spring 1945 so with the full understanding of what it is I'm thankful for, Thank you both.

[@coppertopv365]

🙏🏻

[@benjaminwilliams3568]

My uncle my sisters brother was a LLRP as well in Vietnam. I had the same experience with him that you expressed. When he came home on leave, like your husband. My uncle was still in Vietnam. Somehow as a kid I understood him. Now I'm in my early fifties and retired from Army Special Forces, I'm very much a loaner. I've been married twice and I don't exactly fit in civilian life. I'm not into drugs or alcohol. I'm just hard pressed to tolerate California people who have no idea what real life is.

[@dicksonfranssen]

@@benjaminwilliams3568 I can barely tolerate people who feel entitled but have given nothing. For me it's small town life and animals that keep me sane.

[@treystaton5246]

your dad did awful things that's why he's messed up

[@JuveVinny]

My father was in Vietnam with the Navy attached to MACV. He told me that Apocalypse Now was the movie that, to him, got the vibe right.

[@etiennesharp]

The soldier taking the photo didn't have a 'fancy camera' because he went on R&R; he had it because, in the film, he's a a combat photographer.

[@Ganiscol]

But in reality it was so.

[@justmeeagainn]

Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?

[@RobARug]

Animal Mother: Well, you seen much combat? Private Joker: I've seen a little on TV.

[@leibermuster2399]

True, pilgrim, only after you eat the peanuts outta mah shiieeeeet

[@rcsor3]

I picked up on that. It tells me the guy probably never watched the whole movie.

[@martinbrody3315]

They should have shown Hamburger Hill here first. That movie doesn't get a lot of love. While an exciting and engaging war film with great storytelling and a great cast, it often gets overshadowed by more famous Vietnam War films. However, it's extremely realistic to some veterans who have been there but still is a forgotten gem worth watching that will satisfy war movie buffs.

[@docgillygun9531]

Totally agree. Great movie.

[@Autobotmatt428]

I agree . That and We were soldiers should have been rated higher at least a 6 maybe 7.

[@Autobotmatt428]

@@docgillygun9531 A very underrated Vietnam film capturing the post tet mentality of the soldiers in 1969

[@NecramoniumVideo]

Because it does not have a real story to it, it just shows the battle, Platoon shows the brotherhood in the platoon.

[@S0ulinth3machin3]

@@NecramoniumVideo I agree. The plot is completely forgettable. I saw the movie, remember some gnarly combat, and have no idea what the plot was. The way my brain works, if something isn't very good, I forget it.

[@gmlogan4889]

My Dad who served as an infantry Sgt in Vietnam said that surprisingly, he thought Forrest Gump got Vietnam the most accurately.

[@AngelusEchoes-kh4fd]

There was the big ol fat rain, the itsy stinging rain, rain that fell from the side...

[@thegadflygang5381]

It was actually pretty good The movie as a whole is terrible and really didn't hold up very well but i agree with you. The few Vietnam scenes were kept simple

[@mikebrase5161]

​@@RinkFloydI just saw the bye Forrest I'll see you again after I'm a single mom with AIDS meme. 😂

[@chrishestand1032]

My dad said the same.

[@tomaskadlec9534]

@@thegadflygang5381 i doubt you know much about movies if you think Forrest Gump is terrible...

[@ventedsnare]

my late father who was a special forces army ranger in vietnam with multiple purple hearts said that We Were Soldiers was the most accurate representation of Vietnam of any movie he had seen.

[@jmar1973]

My uncle served in Vietnam as part of a Huey crew. His test scores upon enlistment made them recommend that duty. While I didn't follow in his footsteps in regards to military service (In '91 we were scared that the Gulf Conflict would become the next Vietnam) I admired my uncle greatly. He was my hero and inspiration. Rest In Peace John Charles Mayfield. 🙏🏿 ❤

[@jasechurch5124]

“Broken Arrow” was declared over the radio by the Battalion Forward Air Controller, which meant that an American unit was in imminent danger of being overrun. It was the signal for all available American aircraft to converge and provide aid to the American unit.... it also doesn't show Gibson calling I'm broken arrow. It shows him ordering it. But the FAC calls it in

[@Autobotmatt428]

Yeah the historian had a few f ups in this review.

[@Autobotmatt428]

10:14 that was Charlie Hastings the air combat controller calling Broken Arrow, Broken Arrow, and just like you said Moore was tell telling him to call it. Its not inaccurate.

[@Lowlandlord]

It is not an official code phrase in wide usage for this purpose though. It had been officially used for nuclear weapons at the time though, and still is. He used all the language to make his statements about it accurate, except that Gibson's character doesn't call it, he states it in a very dramatic fashion in the film, and the way the Hastings character is played throughout the film is really not that complimentary, seems slack jawed and simple most of the time.

[@Autobotmatt428]

@@Lowlandlord It was in during the Vietnam War.

[@robertagu5533]

​@@Autobotmatt428including the VERY start too, the dude said there was "NO evidence, AT ALL." This was wrong. There's very real documentaries stories of dudes that escaped an survived captivity that SPECIFICALLY SAID they WAS POWs from Vietnam.

[@MandarAkre]

In Platoon ... Before the final battle you can hear a few soldiers discussing how they captured VC soldiers and they found the entire layout of their Camp marked to their foxhole. So the guy who blew himself up in the command centre was pretty aware of its position in the camp.

[@ibubezi7685]

They always were - their sapper needed that info. Allison is completely misguided.

[@DrFunk-rk6yl]

​@@ibubezi7685I wonder about that too. As far as I know Platoon is spot on. It was directed by a vet and the military advisor served 3 tours. I think they know what happened.

[@ibubezi7685]

@@DrFunk-rk6yl The VC always observed and mapped a base or camp - maybe over weeks. They built a sand-table with all positions, to practice. Even if they tried to overrun a camp (human wave attack), they knew the key-points (ammo dump, radio-tent, command, machine guns). Americans hardly ever took counter-measures or concealed targets - making it easy to be attacked.

[@IronSharpensIron127]

This is what happens when you are "educated" but have never been through it. He thinks he knows what he is talking about but doesn't have a clue.

[@tonytaylor8198]

Yes that was a real battle in operation Yellowstone late 1967

[@jansenart0]

First Blood was an important and historic statement about PTSD, the treatment of veterans after the Vietnam War, and ultimately the penal system of the US. First Blood Part II (and the rest of the Rambo saga) continued the abuse of a mentally ill man who needed a robust VA social and mental healthcare system, but was instead exploited by a rogue officer in a private, secret war. Rambo himself said that he couldn't keep a job parking cars, and instead of ending up in treatment, was sentenced to hard labor. He was purchased from jail to commit crimes in an undeclared war against a foreign government. Things never improved for Rambo, but ask yourself this: what would've become of him in that era, had he lost a leg before First Blood?

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Yes, but it was the 80s. It was more important to pretend to help people (or help pretend people) than actually do something about the problems facing US vets. Ronnie Ray-Gun had to ensure that those tax-cuts stuck so he gutted the mental-health and social-welfare system. Rambo would have been screwed had he lost his leg, but in a different manner. Left to rot in government housing with little help for his PTSD. But, it's fine because the country could go down its POW/MIA rabbit-hole, with full support of the GOP as the POW/MIA organization became increasingly political, so folks could help people that didn't exist instead of the vets.

[@MotorcycleSalesVideo]

Actually, the U.S. President may initiate hostage rescue operations, if he becomes knowledgeable that a U.S. Citizen is being unjustly deprived of his liberty by a foreign government, assuming the President first demanded the release of the hostages, and was refused. In Rambo, a recon operation was authorized. It went hot when a prison guard engaged the rescuers. The crime in Rambo was the illegal detention of U.S. Citizens.

[@davisworth5114]

The Rambo movies are all total garbage, the problem was that he was concocted by Hollywood, subconsciously no doubt, to be the new role model for US males, when what was desperately needed after Vietnam was a man who was circumspect and cautious. Rambo created the whole 6 pak abs, biceps as 'guns', 'roid rage, etc, it seems as though Rambo et. al. created young American males who have somehow inherited the unrequited rage of Vietnam veterans, and other young men are rightfully alienated by such a cartoon version of manhood. Stallone weaseled out of the war, he was teaching English at a girl's school in Switzerland, ok? Very good comment about the total failure of the VA.

[@tuberific454]

BOT4OJ which he rates as most accurate also dealt with the subject of ptsd and post-war disabilities. And on that note it would've been interesting to hear his opinion of Casualities of War since like BOT4OJ it was autobiographical and depicted the main character's long-term struggle with his experiences. And before anyone knocks the John Wayne film he mentioned, it might be worth noting that it inspired 4 star Admiral McRaven to join the SEALs.

[@Asillyhobo]

​@@davisworth5114 the first film, First Blood, and the book it's based off of, are better than what came after. If only for the original ending, and it being tame in comparison to what came later. It wasn't originally trying to portray a male archetype. And it shows in that first film.

[@krymera666x7]

An ex of mine had an uncle, who was Canadian that volunteered to go to Nam. I met him just after I had joined the army. This guy was fully benefiting from VA, and was completely gone. His PTSD was very severe and I felt for him. Looking back now, as a fully benefited veteran with PTSD, I’m way more understanding of how he struggles every day and what the real effects are on a person. Nothing but love for all the Nam vets.

[@ryanfreese1113]

I met an American Vietnam Veteran several years ago who was still struggling with the trauma he experienced and he said Platoon was the most accurate movie he had seen with respect to what he experienced in that war/conflict

[@adameanglin]

My dad (1st Cav & 9th ID) also said Platoon was most realistic.

[@coppertopv365]

I don't think this Young Guy knows Jack about the Vietnam Conflict up close an personal like, or probably military life. I would like to know if he served at all. He had his rose colored glasses on doing this. I'm a Army veteran, who had uncles in Vietnam and Korea, and from what I heard an from the little I know from my service time. Platoon had some real type elements and some of the other movies mentioned in this "clip" have some elements that are similar to military life of the Vietnam time. I don't fully agree with the video Reviewer.

[@ScottHendrix-yz3du]

Platoon is just an anti American anti war BS PROPAGANDA movie. It wasn't nothing like Vietnam.​@@adameanglin

[@ScottHendrix-yz3du]

Platoon is an anti American anti veitnam war propaganda movie.

[@georgea.567]

@@coppertopv365 I couldn't believe he said Platoon was inaccurate, he himself said it was based on FSB Burt being overrun on new Year's Day 1968, a battle that Oliver Stone himself took part in. He then says an FSB being overrun was unrealistic and they were well defended. DUDE IT HAPPED IN REAL LIFE MULTIPLE TIMES! FSB Illingworth is another good example. April 1st 1970 FSB Illingworth was defended by a little more than 90 grunts and about 100 artillerymen and was attacked by a regiment of NVA. The base was overrun and some of the artillerymen had to abandon their guns and act as infantry, and the fighting descended into hand to hand fighting with M-16s being used as clubs. Platoon seemed pretty realistic to me after reading this stuff.

[@bicivelo]

The Nikon F camera, like the one shown in full metal jacket here, was the primary camera used by photojournalist during the Vietnam war. It was Nikons‘s first SLR camera and was produced from the late 50s until around 1973 or 74. it also went to space in some of the late Apollo missions. In short, the thing is an absolute BEAST of a camera and is extremely well-made and very very heavy. I have two of them and absolutely love shooting with it. It’s just an amazing historical piece of photos of journalism. GREAT video too 😊

[@hubbsllc]

Absolutely, and the lenses were very, very good. I was heavy into photography in the early- to mid-1990s and one of the lenses I had was a Nikkor 50mm f1.4 that I really shouldn't have sold; I could be using that lens on a fully modern digital camera even today.

[@1337flite]

Prettt sure PJs were still rocking Leica's in the VIet Name era. No saying no-one was using an F. Not PJ's but the Olympus Pen was the issue camera for Special Forces recon teams - the Greek letter guys and SOG - easy to use and compact.

[@srujan00]

didn't one of those cameras take the infamous "Vietcong execution" shot?

[@JimBro317]

In the "Full Metal Jacket," sequence, you address the Marine taking a picture with his nice camera. If you watch the whole film, you'll see that that was his MOS, something like photojournalist for the Marine Corps.

[@RandomDudeOne]

Stars and Stripes.

[@Dregkar]

Feel like this dude hasnt seen most of these movies and it's pretty embarassing.

[@alexhobson5478]

@@Dregkarhow dare a historian do stuff like read books and go to archives and find first hand accounts instead of watching fictional movies about his work

[@crazyralph6386]

It was also he’s second one, the first was stolen by Bruce Lee and the karate kid in Da Nang 😂

[@NoMo-xr4xl]

​@alexhobson5478 it's fine for him to do that. But then he shouldn't be judging said films he hasn't seen

[@robandcheryls]

After platoon was relaxed, I watched it dozens of times. I did a UN tour to Cambodia a few years earlier. Seeing the thickness of the jungle, humbled me. 🇨🇦 Army Veteran.

[@brendanfrost9775]

0:30 - Apocalypse Now 3:38 - Platoon 6:38 - We Were Soldiers 11:00 - Born on the 4th of July 13:40 - Rambo: First Blood Part II 15:40 - The Green Berets 17:58 - Full Metal Jacket 20:35 - Mui Co Chay (The Scent of Burning Grass)

[@flowerpower003]

love you for this

[@djblackruss]

My father a Vietnam vet 67-69 Told me that Hamburger Hill was spot on because he was on Hill 875, and Platoon Smelled like Vietnam the vibe the darkness of triple canopy jungle the interaction and the language was 100%. Yet we have a non vet tell us everything but

[@SeriousLee79]

The guy who's holding the camera depicted in Full Metal Jacket, that was Mathew Modine's partner, they were part of Stars and Stripes to take pictures and publish them in newspapers. They are actually attached to Cowboy's combat unit, to take pictures and interview soldiers as well.

[@ralphalvarez5465]

Rafterman - "a heartbreaker and life taker"

[@srujan00]

I thought they just went to Danang in general to cover the Tet Offensive. Joker knew his friend Cowboy was there, so they sought him out.

[@SeriousLee79]

@@srujan00 Joker just found Cowboy by chance during the Tet offensive and met his squad. They were assigned there to cover the story.

[@DCS_World_Japan]

"Broken Arrow" was the correct term during the Vietnam War. Its usage as a nuclear weapon accident is post-Vietnam.

[@ronaldtartaglia4459]

Nope

[@patavinity1262]

I was really curious about this and decided to look into it. I found a lot of contradictory information, but on balance I think you're wrong. The second part of your assertion is absolutely incorrect: 'Broken Arrow' is one of two flagwords used by the Air Force indicating a nuclear weapon mishap (the other being 'Bent Spear'), and this was certainly the case during the Vietnam War. The 1970 report on the 1968 crash of a B-52 at Thule Air Base for example notes the term. As for whether it was used at the battle depicted in the movie, I think the historian being interviewed here was justified in saying 'maybe'. The *only* source for this phrase *ever* having been used in this way in a battle was the book 'We Were Soldiers'. There is no reference to it anywhere which predates the publication of that book. Could it have been a codeword approved by command for use during this specific operation? Perhaps, but again there's no definitive evidence of that happening, and it certainly was not commonly used in that way throughout the Vietnam War.

[@amkrause2004]

Broken arrow was probably just a code word for that specific unit or battle. Many of these movies don't ever show how a real briefing is, right before units go into battle. There's code words for just about anything, think of it as the bugle sounds during the US civil war, there was tone for each command execution.

[@StallionStudios1234]

Interesting. What about SKSs where they used much? I get the AK47, I just think an SKS would not be as useful given its semiautomatic and only holds 10 rounds. There is lots of Chinese made ones that are dirt cheap and still come with the bayonet. Apparent the Balkan versions are best well made.

[@VitalyMack]

@@StallionStudios1234 the SKS was used a lot during Vietnam. Back then bayonets was still a thing. Chinese made AKs with SKS type built in bayonet. For hit and run tactics I think an SKS would be the optimal choice. Full auto rifles are used for very specific set of purposes, not for collecting more meat per bullet. Hollywood just loves full auto with never ending magazines because it's cool and fun.

[@timinwsac]

I was drafted in 1971 and this is the first time I've heard the NVA referred as PAVN.

[@sundancetitan5675]

NVA is what you gentlemen called it during the war the north Vietnamese called them Peoples Army of Vietnam. And thank you for your service too sir

[@charlesfiscus4235]

Being Politically correct

[@williambrandondavis6897]

This guy is a liberal college professor at University in Georgia.

[@williambrandondavis6897]

college professor

[@cesaru3619]

Yup he's politically motivated and a failure as a professor as all lefties are, that's business insider for you.@@williambrandondavis6897

[@TheBourbonWrench]

Id love for an uncut version of these because there's so many times where he clearly has A LOT more to say but they just cut it short. When he gave We Were Soldiers a 5, he went on a rant and I need to hear it!

[@JM-cf9xy]

I wish I heard less from the so called expert

[@Jerry10939]

Full metal Jacket Joker’s character was PAO, I was Army PAO in the late 80s early 90s during Desert Storm, I was a photographer. So he would have been issued the camera because that was his job in the Marines as a Journalist.

[@denisverdon2838]

Erm, that was Rafter Man with the camera, not Joker. And yes, Rafter Man was the photographer. 🙂

[@bboomermike2126]

I was a Navy (Seawolf) door gunner in Vietnam. Twice an outpost was being overrun and we put our strike in the compound. The friendlies took cover in bunkers and we only shot 7.62, no 50 cal or rockets. The friendlies were safe from rounds from the M-60 and mini-gun.

[@Sharkman1963]

Thank you for your service and for this information. I'm glad you made it back.

[@tuberific454]

It sounds like you were part of what they called a SEAL support package, and thus part of black ops wherein airstrikes of that nature were more common.

[@michael-4k4000]

​@@tuberific454it's actually called an Elite SEAL team package 📦

[@tuberific454]

@@michael-4k4000 That is incorrect.

[@chagadiel]

Read a book about the sea wolves. The mekong delta must have been very pretty to fly over

[@chris-zt7eo]

Didn't Hal Moore, the actual dude who served for this specific battle, comment on exactly what word was used for calling in all air assets on your position? I'm pretty sure he said it was exactly Broken Arrow.

[@Strickland1992]

What did broken arrow mean in Vietnam? in imminent danger of being overrun A “Broken Arrow” was declared over the radio by the Battalion Forward Air Controller, which meant that an American unit was in imminent danger of being overrun. It was the signal for all available American aircraft to converge and provide aid to the American unit. The fighting continued for three hours.

[@jayfro8340]

Yes, broken arrow had a different meaning than it does now

[@uosdwisrdewoh418]

@@jayfro8340*then, not “than”. Why do you get them confused? The former (again the word you mean) is an adverb meaning “after”. The latter is a conjunction used to introduce the second item in a comparative statement.

[@budgiefriend]

@@uosdwisrdewoh418 The commenter might be word blind or from a non-English speaking part of the world. I too get annoyed when people not spell good. But i don't feel like i HAVE to call people out like that. What is to be gained from being "that person" ?

[@BonShula]

@@uosdwisrdewoh418 Who cares. 50% of commenters are stupid and the rest is mentally ill.

[@Rankoldbeast_UK]

I was living in Hanoi when General Giap died. There were mourners lining the streets for the processions for miles and miles. He was held in high regard by a lot of the VNese

[@jadger1871]

VNese? This had nothing to do with the residents of Austria's capital.

[@deathclawdaddy]

probably because if they didint they would be flogged and miss out on the half rations they get this week.

[@dtq3809]

Giap was puppet of Ha Noi, he didn't even command Dien Bien Phu, the Chinese did.They let him take the credit

[@maliusmaximus1428]

Some pretty hilariously uninformed comments here so far. Giap was hailed as a hero and did indeed lead the northern forces through several major victories and losses. He was hailed as a hero here in Hanoi, but post war, especially in his later years, he was very critical of the sitting government, in particular in relation to the govt doing things like ceding land use rights for logging to foreign interests, particularly the Chinese. He was too big and perceived to be too much of a hero to try to bring his name down, so instead he was just kept out of the media. The irony is actually in the fact that in death he was celebrated as the greatest hero of the American War behind Uncle Ho, by the very people that he spent his final years railing against and who had kept him quiet

[@Rankoldbeast_UK]

@@maliusmaximus1428 100%. Today's VN is clearly not the country Uncle Ho wanted.

[@bradynorris1653]

“War is a racket” -Marine General Smedley Butler, 1935.

[@macjeez1450]

I was in Vietnam in 67 & 68. Oliver Stone served in Vietnam with the 25th Infantry Division and served in a direct combat contact situation. I served with the 145th Combat Aviation Battalion(Hueys). Some confrontations got very horrendous with heavy casualties that many know nothing about including the professor. Platoon is accurate in many details and aspects.

[@immikeurnot]

The Claymore clacker generates electricity when you squeeze it. That's why you give it two or three firm smacks; to make sure you get enough electricity down the wire to the detonator on the mine. Also works with other explosives, obviously, since the detonators are a standardized item.

[@michaellogico5613]

My father was the pilot of one of the UH-1H in Apocalypse Now. He was a LtCol in the Philippine Air Force at the time

[@Autobotmatt428]

Is it true that they got called away for real combat missions while shooting the film.

[@michaellogico5613]

@Autobotmatt428 yes. We had a communist insurgency.

[@Autobotmatt428]

@@michaellogico5613 The crazy stories that came out of that films production your dad must have some stories.

[@michaellogico5613]

@Autobotmatt428 filming took place in the province of Laguna. Back then, there weren't any hotels so the cast and crew slept in the homes of the locals. Some older folk still remember hosting Marlon Brando

[@Autobotmatt428]

@@michaellogico5613 I feel bad for them I heard he was a bit of a diva

[@miduv82]

My father who just recently passed away served two tours in Vietnam with 2nd battalion 5th marines 1st marine division FMF during 1967 and 68. He told me at night they'd sleep in cemetery's if possible because the VC were superstitious about going into cemetery's. They just would avoid it. Also told me 90% of the fighting happened at night and you never wanted to fire at night unless you had to because you'd be giving your position away.

[@Rakshasa1986]

I'm sorry for your loss.

[@kendelvalle8299]

I was in several firefights in cemeteries. The VC were not afraid of attacking. The great thing about fighting in graveyards was that the graves are dirt mounds about three feet high and they provide good cover. The trick was to make it to a grave yard across an open field and then set up and whack the VC as they came at you over that open field. I was a Corpsman with a CAC unit... 65, 66 and 67.

[@miduv82]

@@kendelvalle8299 I just remember him telling me that story. He never mentioned getting into firefights but may have. I know there was a false sense they were superstitious. The Japanese were considered very superstitious as well.

[@KingOfKingize]

I can’t say what it was like during the war because of different circumstances. But the Vietnamese are indeed pretty superstitious in general.

[@longshotny]

Jesus Christ that must have been absolutely terrifying

[@czr7j9]

Apocalypse Now wasn't about being accurate but more about showing the insanity of war and the characters who succumbed to it.

[@johndoe1.196]

"The Siege of Firebase Gloria" is the best Vietnam film, hands down.

[@ducomaritiem7160]

Never heard of it, will find it!

[@alankaufman385]

Of all of the KZbin videos about Vietnam, this is the first time that someone recognized that Robert Duval's Col. Kilgore was based on Col. Stockton. He was very much Like the depiction of Co. Kilgore and was, in fact, relieved for being a little too aggressive.

[@kennethstover1741]

He just wanted to smell that napalm😁 Can't we all just get along? ✌️😏Peace my brothers and sisters

[@pagodebregaeforro2803]

​@@kennethstover1741you are cool brother

[@ibubezi7685]

Yeah, imagine beating the VC/NVA... They were not there to 'win' and the Army did its best to obey that order...

[@DoctorEnigma01]

So Oliver Stone was there, but this guy knows more then him about the battle? I call BS

[@FranktheDachshund]

Did he surf?

[@Eoraptor1]

IMO, the key sentence in Rambo is when Col. Trautman recruits John Rambo from Federal prison and Rambo asks, "Do we get to win this time?" That, again IMO, is the underlying fantasy of the entire film. JAMES

[@Lowlandlord]

Winning the war, decades after it was lost, while also making up how evil the Vietnamese still were. Is kinda the purpose of the movie, which really shouldn't be that surprising consider it was a Stallone film, and he was doing things with similar jingoistic, American-exceptionalism messages in Rocky movies.

[@deanrobinson4129]

Not entirely sure but it's a bit ironic that stallone famous role is rambo when he dodged the draft for Vietnam

[@porsche911sbs]

@@Lowlandlord Funny how thoughtful movies like _Rocky_ and _First Blood_ were followed by absurd, chauvinist propaganda in their sequels.

[@michaelhall2709]

As the author mentioned, the 30,000 tons of napalm used in Korea were followed by 400,000 in Vietnam. In all, we dropped more ordinance on a small, impoverished Asian nation than the Allies did on the Axis powers in all of World War 2. That’s how we weren’t “allowed to win.”

[@eriktruchinskas3747]

Broken arrow was indeed the codeword for them for being overrun. For rhe green beret SOG guys it was called a prarie fire

[@SEAZNDragon]

i wonder if he was thinking "Danger Close." When I was a mortarman in the Marines that was the phrase we used for fire missions closed to friendlies.

[@moappleseider1699]

Just from reading "Across the Fence" I can tell this guy is way off on his knowledge.

[@Ganiscol]

It is still and has been for decades one of the terms describing incidents with nuclear weapons or reactors, as per DoD directive 5230.16, Chairman Joint Chief of Staff Manual 3150.03B and USAF Instruction 10-206. So, he is right on the money. Danger Close is the proper term for dropping ordnance close to friendlies. Like he said, it may have been the code for that operation, it may not have been official nuke incident terminology at the time, but it has been for at least 4 decades if not more.

[@KatieWilliams1990x]

@@Ganiscol Nobody freaking cares about what you wannabe soldiers googled! It has been documented with first hand testimony that 'broken arrow' was used over radio to describe a position being overrun. I'd rather trust actual veterans than a KZbin loser who is quoting goole like a little bth

[@Lowlandlord]

He specifically says that "is what is reported in the book", but at the same time, it had a different official meaning outside of this one specific instance. The question becomes why did it have this other different meaning in this one specific instance, and is there paper work to prove it instead of just someone's recollection. Recollections are quite fallible and can be the bane of accurate histories, going through archives has shown that many recollections printed by official sources after WW2 were incorrect. Although, for that it is largely because the primary purpose of printing some of those was that spreading propaganda to rehabilitate the German Here, which were though of as needed to fight the Soviets, and heap praise on people that we beat, so we must be better than these cool people.

[@Igor-ug1uo]

10:42 A Vietnam war veteran in an interview stated that he appreciated the film because it was respectful to the American soldiers and that unlike many other movies, it didn't portray them from the standpoint of the North Vietnamise as village burning, pot smoking villains.

[@leodoro8877]

Couple of items, a Claymore mine doesn't throw shrapnel it disperses still ball bearings, the Vietnamese developed extensive tunnel networks, the tunnels of Chu Chi, because they fought the Japanese in the 1940's, the French in the 1950's and the Americans 1964-1972. Also, the Marine with the camera was Marine journalist, "Rafter Man," sent to document the battle of Hue not a random Marine taking holiday pictures. Watching a movie before critiquing is a suggestion as is learning how armies actually operate is another.

[@heneagedundas]

What many people think of as shrapnel are actually shell splinters, but popular usage of the word has blurred the meaning. Shrapnel shells were filled with lead balls, the claymore mine with its steel balls operates on a very similar principle. Describing the contents as shrapnel seems fine to me, and acknowledges the historical roots of the design.

[@TheRafaelRamos]

Hamburger Hill is one of the best Vietnam War movies I've ever seen, it's a shame it was not mentioned.

[@ministerofdarkness]

Exactly! And Tropic Thunder

[@cesaru3619]

Because this guy is not a real expert, he's just a tom cruise fanboy.

[@joevicmeneses8918]

how about a TV series"Tour of duty" ??

[@TheDeadrise]

The friendly fire incident in Hamburger Hill is true

[@paiman1976]

He does review it. In another recent video. And he rates it very highly

[@anon17472]

I know old mate has written a book but both Oliver Stone and Dale A Dye (the bloke calling for air support in Platoon) were there, they probably know what they're about

[@whydat684]

The other Nam vet was the fat Sgt in the white tee-shirt during the final combat scene yelling at the other soliders . For real

[@DoctorEnigma01]

Im sayin!

[@pdg61met]

100%

[@anon17472]

DA Dye's book "Citadel" about Hue is brilliant

[@chilltown11]

True if you weren't there you shouldn't be reviewing ill take stone and dye word for it

[@Blix-Tha-Epic-TM4L]

Oliver stone was there, and made platoon about his experiences and meshed characters together. Platoon is the best Vietnam war film ever made. Period.

[@Autobotmatt428]

yes but Stone does fall in to a lot of the Hollywood stereotypes about tis war.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

​@@Autobotmatt428 Tbf, a lot of those tropes come from the experiences of one dude - Michael Herr. And his book Dispatches features multiple events that would be depicted in Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse NOW, and he had direct input on both films (and iirc other films made around that time). It's crazy how much the popular understanding of the Vietnam War in this country comes from one guy's experiences, and in all fairness there's worse books to be that influential. Anyone curious about the Vietnam War should read Dispatches. It's right up there with Tim O'brien's work and the 13th Valley.

[@StallionStudios1234]

I like that movie it was very well done. Very disturbing how many innocent people were caught in the middle. Those scenes in that movie are probably based on real encounters.

[@CarlEvans-t6h]

Full Metal Jacket. Apples-Oranges.

[@Thunderchild-gz4gc]

You decide that. Great job. He's a lefty wing communist apologetic

[@AManNamedHawk]

At 2:55 he just gets done saying napalm is designed to destroy cover. What he meant was “concealment”. Short version is cover stops bullets and concealment stops eyeballs. Mortars and artillery soften up hard targets using cover.

[@TJTAS]

It's a shame "Danger Close" is not mentioned. I know it's an Australian film and probably doesn't have the international exposure of a Hollywood block buster but it is a solid film. I would like to here this guy's opinion on that film. For anyone interested in Vietnam war movies I highly recommend it.

[@B4TEMAN]

Platoon deserves a higher rating imo.

[@kdizzle901]

I agree it’s a masterpiece

[@B4TEMAN]

@@kdizzle901 Completely agree. it’s one of my favourite movies.

[@mijreed]

Academia vs. real life

[@ronnie_5150]

I always though 'Platoon' was more about the relationship and turmoil between the soldiers themselves than the enemy.

[@treystaton5246]

😂

[@MemoryofSouthVietnam]

The inaccuracy of Vietnam War movies and documentaries is not what they depict, but what they don't. So much of the battles primarily fought by the South Vietnamese (some of them far larger than American ones) are glossed over or ignored. Now the general public have the impression that South Vietnam straight up didn't fight and it was a fully Vietnam vs. American war.

[@gulliverthegullible6667]

American Vietnam movies also gloss over all the atrocities the Americans inflicted on the Vietnamese. It is always all about how horribly the poor American boys suffered. That those boys were the perpetrators not the victims is deliberately ignored.

[@bicker31]

@@gulliverthegullible6667 "the gullible" is an accurate name for you, good work

[@gulliverthegullible6667]

@@bicker31 so which movies show the atrocities the Americans inflicted? About 76% of people killed in that conflict were civilians. I don't see that reflected in the movies. Point me to a good movie.

[@tenia5319]

Well, it kinda was. What i mean is, the war was escalated by the US for US interests. Of course South Vietnamese fought, and fought a lot, but they were an asset of US operations at large.

[@bicker31]

@@tenia5319 imagine reading so much propaganda you think a people are an asset of another country while fighting a civil war lol

[@DeniseDouglas-t7d]

I'm surprised Hamburger Hill wasn't mentioned. Some Vietnam vets I've spoken with over the years have all stated that that was the only film that accurately depicted what they experienced over there.

[@Autobotmatt428]

I know right but instead Rambo 2 is on this list and its not a Vietnam film

[@DeniseDouglas-t7d]

++ @@Autobotmatt428

[@terrybull1534]

My dad said Apocolypse Now was nonsense in terms if reality. He said Platoon was the most realistic. He was a Door Gunner in Vietnam

[@PatrickAshe41]

FWIW, my late father was USMC early in Vietnam, artillery observer, 64-65 including Operation Starlite. He also was a movie buff and saw most if not all of these. He definitely agreed with the consensus that the first half of FMJ was true to Parris Island. I have memories of him watching it with other Marines. As far as "true to life" war, he only said so much, but he particularly thought Platoon was overdramatized (even though Stone's a vet, of course) and that We Were Soldiers was the most accurate to the combat he experienced (even though that was Army, obviously).

[@ventedsnare]

My father who was a special forces army ranger said the same thing about we were soldiers

[@indigowendigo8464]

Easter egg. When the suicide bomber runs into the bunker and blows up, Oliver Stone is inside it. Not only is Platoon very realistic, its much more than a documentary. The philosophical divisions between the main characters reflect the entire American population at the time, and it is a timeless commentary on war itself

[@Xx-lq9su]

PAVN may nit have dug the tunnels, but they absolutely would have utilized them. And yes, the battle of ia drank was PAVN, but its not a stretch to say the forward scouts were VC. Hal Moore in his book did say broken arrow was the code word. Don't really think this guy is the best choice for this video.

[@srujan00]

This guy's not the best choice for anything. He's a history degree holder ffs.

[@spoonyspoonicus4648]

I dont think this guy really knows what hes talking about. Loads of vietnam war vets say that we was soldiers is the best depiction of the war and hate platoon and apocalypse now. He also says the guy who bombs the CP wouldnt be able to see, yet there are illumination flares going off everywhere. The NVA in la drang had been there for ages since it was one of there major head quarters and almost definitely would have had tunnels. Speakers on choppers was also pretty common.

[@JS-mp7fy]

I was thinking the same thing. Especially about the CP in Platoon. Academics seem to have no idea about the phases of a military operation. That base could have been under observation by recon elements for ages, it was that dudes job to do what he did. An attack of that scale doesn’t just happen without significant planning. I disagreed with a fair bit of what this guys says.

[@Desomorphinum]

Of course, a professor who wrote multiple very succesful books on the topic doesn't know what he's talking about. But you do. How delusional are you?

[@JS-mp7fy]

@@Desomorphinum lol, I was an Australian infantry soldier for over 15 years mate, I know a bit more about battlefield tactics than a guy that read it in a book. How delusional are you to think academics supplants experience. Stay in your lane.

[@spoonyspoonicus4648]

@@JS-mp7fy right before the attack the NVA are shown with maps with an accurate layout of the bunkers so they must of been observing it for a while. yet somehow he didn't notice that

[@majesticfool]

@@JS-mp7fy 100%

[@georgea.567]

I don't know how he can say the platoon battle is inaccurate when he himself said it was based on Fire Support Base Burt being overrun. FSBs were not necessarily always well defended like he said either. I was just reading about the battle of FSB Illingworth and it was only defended by 94 Infantrymen and was attacked by a regiment of NVA. The artillerymen had to grab their rifles and join in the fight to stop from being destroyed. These places weren't always super well defended.

[@TheOnceMoreGaming]

3:00 I'm surprised you didn't explain the quote. The reason he says he loves the smell is that Napalm was usually used as either an entrance or an exit strategy in order to guarantee safe passage of an area.

[@Gruntman77]

Rafterman IS a photographer for stars and stripes. Well established earlier in the movie. Did this guy even watch FMJ?

[@menachem2521]

Doesn't seem like it lol. It's one of the easier things to understand in the film...

[@zaynevanday142]

He’s an out right idiot 😂😂😂

[@dougkleen9917]

he isnt that good a historian.

[@chrishestand1032]

@@dougkleen9917 Between my dad being a Vietnam vet and the fact that I work with vintage cameras all the time, I agree and so would pops.

[@zeropoint546]

Pretty sure he didn't read "We were soldiers once... And young" either. Epic failures.

[@coolhand1964]

'Go Tell the Spartans' - how can you not like a movie with Burt Lancaster. From 'The Kentukian' right up until movies like 'Field of Dreams', he was just so good at his craft.

[@michaelesgro9506]

Those are very good films but I was surprised you didn't mention some of his better ones: The Rainmaker, Elmer Gantry, The Rose Tattoo, From Here to Eternity, The Train, The Killers, Seven Days in May, The Swimmer, Come Back Little Sheba, A Child is Waiting and so many more. Consummate actor, always brilliant in every single role.

[@coolhand1964]

@michaelesgro9506 Well I actually said 'From The Kentuckian right up until movies like Field of Dreams ' this grammatically covered all the movies in between. All those of which you have mentioned.

[@michaelesgro9506]

@@coolhand1964 Well, not all (From Here to Eternity, Come Back Little Sheba, The Killers) but I certainly did misunderstand your statement and a good part of his career was after The Kentuckian, I cannot deny that fact. I think that was just a visceral (always foolish) reaction to considering a film like the Kentuckian (while decent) far from emblematic of his better and most notable leading roles. He was terrific in Field of Dreams, but I wish it was a larger role...maybe even James Earl Jone's role (although he was amazing also) but he was probably too old for that to be credible.. Mainly, we both recognize his greatness and perhaps agree actors of his range and depth don't come around as much anymore. I bet you love Spencer Tracy as well

[@coolhand1964]

@@michaelesgro9506 Look at you double down to protect your self-righteousness.

[@michaelesgro9506]

@@coolhand1964 Wow, I admitted that I had a foolish visceral reaction, I guess you're perfect but not man enough and also stupid because you said ALL as if the films I wrote down were exhaustive AFTER 1955 (The Kentuckian) which THEY WERE NOT. You're clearly an overly sensitive cockwaffle and you call me "self righteous". That's hilarious.

[@skylongskylong1982]

The Odd Angry Shot, about Australian SAS in Vietnam, is a very good film.

[@pvda64]

Great film with the mix of Aussie humour and the serious stuff but I'm not sure it was 100% accurate.

[@kurtmaddox48]

I talked to Roger Donlan Medal of Honor recipient and he said We Were Soldiers is the most accurate Vietnam movie

[@JorgeCruz-mi5gc]

My grandfather served in Cambodia and Vietnam. While stationed at Fort Benning, I was lucky to have a long talk with General Hel Moore. It was great talking to the father of Air Assault.

[@karlmortoniv2951]

I’m glad to see “Go Tell the Spartans” get some love. It got eclipsed by all the big war movies that came out around the same time so not many people know about it now. My Dad served in Vietnam and he didn’t rate too many Vietnam War movies other than “…Spartans.” Burt Lancaster’s damn’ good in it as well.

[@TheLoachman]

One of my all-time favourites. So many good, quotable lines too.

[@CarlEvans-t6h]

Burt Lancaster was good in anything he was in.

[@SaroBW]

The major function of Special Forces during the Vietnam war was working with Vietnamese, and more importantly, the Montegnards. US Special Forces worked with the "Yards" to build and equip both strategic hamlets as well as rapid response militia militia. So it would have been quite common for them to work together on a joint missions. Quite different from "...maybe..." Would such a team have engaged in abducting a PAVN officer? Not likely: missions like that were usually done by units from the Special Operation Group (SOG). Yeah, John Wayne threw accuracy out the door with "The Green Berets", which he unapologetically stated was meant as a rebuttal to the "UnAmerican" protests against the war. I do agree that the respect shown for Vietnamese soldiers on both sides is admirable. And yeah, no "Hamburger Hill" is a dreadful oversight. Maybe in a ..."Rates more battles" video?

[@-Zevin-]

The "Montegnards" really really shows what the US thought of the Vietnamese people. Nobody in Vietnam called themselves the Montegnards, it was literally just a French term, like "Mountain men". We never had the respect to even learn what they called themselves, they were disposable pawns sent to slaughter, sure some fought well, then we abandoned them. You will find no love of American's in those territories today...

[@TacticalToast99]

Special Forces was part of MACV-SOG in Vietnam, so yes a special forces team kidnapping or assassinating a high ranking NVA officer is not only likely to have happened but did happen many times. Look up Project GAMMA, it was a code name given to Detachment B-57 of the 5th Special Forces group that ran covert operations in Vietnam to locate Viet Cong, they even assassinated a South Vietnamese officer who was a mole on the behalf of the CIA Then there was Project DELTA made up of Detachment B-52 of the 5th Special Forces group who was designated as Hunter Killer teams, their mission was to provide recon in heavy Viet Cong areas, capture and interrogate officers and assassinate them, as well rescue downed pilots and POWs, bug compounds, counter intelligence and sabotage Then there was Project OMEGA made up of Detachment B-50 of the 5th Special Forces group, who conducted clandestine operations, much of them is still classified but it's heavily implied they were an assassination team Then there was Project SIGMA of Detachment B-56 who basically did the same thing as OMEGA only in Cambodia instead of Vietnam

[@robertfarmer9901]

The scene in Platoon with the flares at night, my dad was in the Marines based out of An Hoa and talked about the flares and those shadows moving around all over the place and it was really confusing and difficult to focus. Also about the cameras in Full Metal Jacket, my dad bought a really nice Pentax in Vietnam and kept it with him through the war, and that was still our camera we used on family vacations and whatnot. I used it when I took photography in high school. He also bought a reel to reel tape player while he was there and somehow brought it back aftwr the war.

[@arthurcuelho7279]

I was born I 1966. I remember news videos showing videos from Vietnam. The memory that sticks with me was an M113 med evac, under fire, backing over the wounded. It was so brutal that no news agency today would ever display this in the news today.

[@pho3nix-]

There's something specific about the Vietnam war, I am forever drawn to it

[@queuedjar4578]

I think what's really interesting about it in the context of the United States is that it's the war that we still haven't fully learned the lessons of in a geopolitical sense.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

No 'Hamburger Hill' (1987) nor the true story, 'Rescue Dawn' (2007), was commented on? And 'Casualties of War' (1989) was penned by a Vietnam War veteran!

[@TranscendianIntendor]

I asked a noticeably twitchy Viet Nam Veteran in the East Village Manhattan what was the best Viet Nam movie. He told me to watch 84 Charlie MoPic. I rented the tape and watched it with my girl. My girl and myself had trouble seeing the movie as a fiction. It hits as if it is a documentary. If you haven't seen it do what you can to find it and watch it. 10, it deserves a rating of 10 and I am surprised it isn't mentioned here.

[@bestestusername]

Yeh that's good I have seen it, Blair witch war movie

[@foxbat203]

I kept hoping it would get a mention, fairly overlooked piece of found film history.

[@foxbat203]

I kept hoping it would get a mention, fairly overlooked piece of found film history.

[@foxbat203]

I kept hoping it would get a mention, fairly overlooked piece of found film history.

[@Kier4n99]

​@@foxbat203WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME 😂

[@andrewsummerour3692]

Interesting how he brought up Dien Bien Phu, but also said a PAVN soldier blowing up a command bunker with a grenade is innacurate. That happened at Dien Bien Phu!

[@michaelkneale3825]

My belief was that the NVA were extremely effective in reconnaissance of American positions. Therefore, surely they would know where the command bunkers were.

[@voodoo1094]

Yeah the whole "Well it's night, you couldn't possibly see where the bunker is" logic seemed rather flawed. Sure you may not see very well at night, but it's not as if the bunker could just be moved around randomly. Targeting high priority targets such as those seems like an obvious choice and even if it goes wrong 99 of a 100 times, if there's one thing the VC could do, it was throwing people at problems.

[@davidperdue7506]

Problems because of finding it in the dark? The aerial flares had it lit up like broad daylight.

[@gapshot5065]

That was a sapper with a satchel charge not a grenade

[@fhlostonparaphrase]

"With a grenade"...sure looks like a suicide bomber to me. THAT is what he should have addressed, was that a common "tactic"?

[@unclebob1959]

This kind of operation takes weeks to plan, but Rambo just dives straight in. That's our boy!

[@crystaloffrost]

Platoon 6/10. Come on man. It is one of the most realistic ones plus Stone himself had fought there as you said.

[@JasonMaguire-r8w]

The biggest concern with this presentation, is that it gives the younger viewer the impression that only the USA Forces, where the only ones there. I challenge all to watch Danger Close.

[@The_Not_So_Great_Cornholio]

I've read a decent amount about Vietnam and my feeling is that the suicide guy who ran into the command bunker is absolutely plausible. The NVA were sneaky and would have already determined where the command bunker was. And they absolutely came inside the wire at night. I've read about soldiers who would wake up and see shadows running through camp: NVA.

[@subzero9113]

And from what family member who were in Vietnam said that there were Vietkong IN the wire sometimes. Occasionally they would catchone counting off morter pits or Machine gun nests.

[@Desomorphinum]

Bro this guy reads more about Vietnam in a year than you did your whole life. If he saids it's not realistic then you better believe it

[@RSWT79]

⁠@@DesomorphinumVC/PAVN/NVA sappers ready to die for their mission was the norm… they had a suicidal mission from the start, the bunker was the donut. Don’t read all your news from one source..

[@The_Not_So_Great_Cornholio]

@@subzero9113 sneaky bastards

[@The_Not_So_Great_Cornholio]

@@Desomorphinum I guess if the non-fiction I read doesn't match what he is saying I guess there's a problem.

[@moappleseider1699]

The very first comment out of this guys mouth makes me think he doesn't know what he's talking about. There absolutely was plenty of evidence that there were still POW's after the war. Also its on record that playing funeral music and other things the Vietnamese associated with death did work at scaring them. The Green Beret's job is to mix in with, support, and get support from local militia, and combat troops for covert missions and special strikes. I'm literally half way through a book right now by former Green Beret MAC V SOG operator John Stryker Meyer and he constantly references the ARVN and south Vietnamese troops and helicopter pilots that help him and the other GB group guys on missions.

[@TheModelGuy]

For the record, SOG operators would regularly call artillery and air strikes down on their own positions due to the nature of their operations. They also ended the war with a 100:1 kill ratio

[@michaelkennedy5392]

As the son and nephew of Vietnam veterans, I have to take exception to several of the reviews in this video. For one, it seems like this professor only watched parts of the movies, not the whole thing. For starters, as others have said, the "soldier" with the "nice camera" in Full Metal Jacket was actually a Marine Photojournalist. Another big problem is that he only reviewed the ending mission in The Green Berets, not the highly accurate defense of the firebase that made up the majority of the movie. Lastly, as has also been already stated, the correct term for an American unit being overrun and calling in all available support in Vietnam was broken arrow. I think business insider needs alot better expert for this Vietnam video.

[@skepticalbadger]

It's a reaction video. They show him clips, he reacts. He's not going to rewatch the movies beforehand - in fact that's not what they want.

[@Madmij]

Should have done Danger Close, the film about the Australian forces in Vietnam.

[@alanmacpherson3225]

I agree I've read a couple of accounts of Long Tan and the movie is pretty accurate.

[@LupusSanguis]

​@alanmacpherson3225 I have some very minor issues with Danger Close, but nothing really worth mentioning. Only because of stories from my ex's dad, who was with the artillery there. I really like the film. I just wish he and my dad could have seen it. They both died hours apart shortly before the movie was released.

[@adambydand1214]

He wouldn't have known a thing about it...

[@ducomaritiem7160]

Don't know this movie, will find it!

[@MyName-yl2nc]

Aussies are absolute warriors great movie done a ton of research on that battle

[@majorhicksusmc]

I served with Delta Co 1st Bn 3rd Marines in Vietnam 66-67 as a machine gunner. I participated in 22 combat operations. I didn’t watch any Vietnam war movies for over 20+ years. The first one I ever watched was Platoon, which I thought was pure crap. It put me off from watching any other Vietnam war movies for another 10 years. The next was Full Metal Jacket. The only part of the movie that was accurate was the first half, which was the depiction of boot camp, but even that went off the rails with the killing of Hartman. It takes place after the recruits have graduated Bootcamp. The rifles are all turned back into the armory before graduation, plus it would be impossible to take a live round off the range. The rounds are counted out to each shooter, there’s a coach for every two shooters, every round is accounted for. If a recruit was going to kill his drill instructor, it would take place at the range where he has his rifle with him and access to ammo, and not after graduation where there rifle has been turned in before graduation. Forest Gump was more accurate than any of the movies he has reviewed, except for We were Soldiers, which I thought was pretty good, at least it was based on an actual fight. Otherwise, I don’t watch Vietnam war movies. They seem to all have an agenda they are pushing.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

A machine gunner and you are still with us. I hope you are well.

[@majorhicksusmc]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 I’m currently fighting two Agent Orange cancers.

[@pvda64]

I'd be interested in your opinion of Danger Close - The Battle of Long Tan which was a 2019 Australian made film based on the Lon Tan attack in August 1966.

[@majorhicksusmc]

@@pvda64 I have not watched it. I’ve pretty much have sworn off Vietnam war movies. I’ll take a look at it and let you know.

[@CarlEvans-t6h]

@@majorhicksusmc Prayers sir. Thank you for coming back.

[@Goldy-zw7fp]

Would be nice to see two of the Australian movies, "Odd angry shot" and "Danger Close".

[@philippschwartzerdt3431]

Your Choice of “Go Tell the Spartans” and “Good Morning Vietnam” is great. I was missing tough “The Deer Hunter” and “Rescue Dawn”.

[@andrewcombe8907]

Best Vietnam movies of all times are both Australian - “The Odd Angry Shot” about an SASR unit and “Danger Close” about the Battle of Long Tan in 1966.

[@LupusSanguis]

I'd like to know his opinion on Danger Close. A story based around the Battle of Long Tan which heavily involved Australian and New Zealand combat in a rubber plantation. My ex"s deceased father served with the artillery during this battle. I have some small issues with the film, but I would love to hear a professor's viewpoint on the battle and film.

[@chrisrabbitt]

A bloke who couldn't get broken arrow correct and you want his opinion... try asking one of our vets who was actually in Vietnam, you will get a far more accurate answer. Just out of curiosity who's artillery did he serve in? Aussie, Kiwi or Yank?

[@LupusSanguis]

@chrisrabbitt a Gunner from the Aussie 1st Regiment Artillery. He died in 2019 a day and a half after my dad and a short time before the movie came out. I would have loved to have heard his thoughts on the movie.

[@danwebb6766]

@@LupusSanguis Lest we forget.

[@chrisrabbitt]

@@LupusSanguis Thank you for clarifying, given he was one of ours the biggest thing that would have stood out to him is they forgot to or didn't include the American Arty that was also firing in support from Nui Dat. There are a few other things that aren't quite right but as I said you would get a more accurate answer from one of our guys than an American uni professor. Also if you haven't seen it (highly unlikely) there is a documentary done about Long Tan by the same guy that is definitely required watching.

[@TheLoachman]

@@chrisrabbitt Highly recommended. It uses the actual radio messages as well. There are also dozens of videos about the battle, the aftermath, a meeting years later between a pair of Australian participants and two Vietnamese participants, and the making of the film on KZbin. The comments on most of those are well-worth reading through. Many are from family members and provide a lot of background. The Australian government treated these guys shabbily.

[@NHinPA]

Eric L Haney spoke about a mission that Delta Force trained for to rescue POWs in Vietnam in the 1980s until Bo Gritz started talking about this. He mentions it in his book, so there must have been some evidence that there were still POWs for Delta to train for a mission

[@TheGravitywerks]

I quit watching 19sec in because he said "no evidence of MIA....." BS...we are still collecting them from N. Korea..

[@MichaelKent-x4i]

PFC Bobby Garwood. Was left behind buy choice or by capture.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Consider the source.

[@dkroll92]

bear in mind that Haney served in a unit that, years later during the GWOT, would routinely hit the wrong target as much as half the time even with the most advanced SIGINT and IMINT collection platforms the world had ever seen providing intel for them. Did they believe they had viable intel at the time? Yes. Did any of that intel end up being validated? To this day, none of it has.

[@scottsevers6194]

I would love for this historian to look at " Danger Close " an Australian movie about the battle of Long Tan. I've listened to the original radio transcripts. It's a great movie

[@jimiwilson1029]

My father, a career Airborne Infantry officer who served two tours in Vietnam, one day sat with me after I'd rented a VHS copy of the low budget Australian film, "The Odd Angry Shot" (1979, dir. Tom Jeffrey), about Australian SAS soldiers in Vietnam. He'd served alongside several Australian SAS and other ANZACS--during his time with MACV-SOG, if I recall correctly--and he called it the most realistic Vietnam War movie he'd ever seen. A bit of a digression on the verisimilitude of sound effects in newer generations of war movies: A bit after "Saving Private Ryan" was released, my father and I were having a discussion about how close films have gotten to the real sounds of weapons, explosions, etc. The old man remarked, "They get the sounds pretty right these days. Except for the mortars. They can never get the sounds of incoming mortars quite right. You hear that and it sticks with you, and I've never heard that sound in any movie." I have to admit that in my own time in the reserves and active duty, I've heard an awful lot of the actual munitions depicted in many of these movies--including outgoing mortars--but unlike my father and brother, I've never been on the receiving end of a mortar round. Still don't know, and have no interest in soaking up that kind of incoming to sate my curiosity. 😆

[@ItzMikey_575]

I feel the only way to compare accuracy of Vietnam scenes is to have experienced Vietnam

[@CarlEvans-t6h]

Speaking with veterans helps. I have a few VN vet friends. Two were in airborne, others Army, navy and one Airforce. The AF is now deceased, but he was in Saigon when they were evacuating people from the rooftops. One was in Operation Ripcord, another was a Green Beret, another was a Swift Boat vet. I used to interview vets, none were Vietnam vets unless they were in WWII?

[@zer0tzer0]

A couple things you might have mentioned, they could have gotten the boat into the river if they waited six hours for the tide to come in, but they wanted the morning off shore breeze so they could surf. However, the Nug River is fictional. There were no rivers near North Vietnam that went all the way from the sea into Cambodia. But that fits in with the source material, Heart of Darkness.

[@ibubezi7685]

Which is about an African river... 😉

[@sonnygruntstick]

They were going up the Mekong Delta.

[@babachloe7140]

We were soldiers for me is the end. There was no glorious charge into NVA hard defensive positions, by that time survival was the name of the game

[@Autobotmatt428]

Aside from that scene talked to some vets they give it about 80% to 70% accurate for the training, the main battle itself and how it depicted the battle and that type of warfare.

[@alexdelarge209]

'Go Tell the Spartans' with Burt Lancaster set back in '64 is never reviewed & is one, if not the, best Vietnam movies made.

[@polkbritton]

My dad's best friend was in the battle of the Ia Drang at LZ XRay with Bravo 1/5 Cav. He said the movie was reasonably accurate but the ending was totally bogus. There was no final charge where helicopters swooped down in support with miniguns blazing. He said that in reality the end of the battle was anticlimactic --the PAVN just melted back into the jungle and didn't show up to fight.

[@ZacharyPullan]

The most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart.

[@MemoryofSouthVietnam]

Unfortunately for many war movies, not just Vietnam ones, they are made by directors to feel right rather than be right. Also, many Vietnam movies are made with a narrative in the background as well.

[@Bandog23]

Nice to see you here, a lot of them were more artistic expressions than anything else, with the theme of the Vietnam war.

[@alexisborden3191]

Cue the joke about Americans making movies about how it made them feel sad to kill a bunch of brown people.

[@Autobotmatt428]

3 film the Best films on Vietnam in my view are Danger Close, We Were Solders, And Hamburger Hill.

[@Autobotmatt428]

@@Bandog23 Apocalypse Now is a good example of that. Also FMJ.

[@dtq3809]

Nice to see you here, this historian bullshit is just wild

[@granitesevan6243]

Only just noticed that's R. Lee Ermey checking out that large weapon system in Apocalypse Now

[@DoctorWondertainment-sb9ee]

He was also Kilgore’s chopper pilot.

[@CarlEvans-t6h]

He was one of the Chopper pilots.

[@minehawx64]

I find it a bit odd that people think that Apocalypse Now was supposed to be accurate, when it's a movie adaptation of a book set in 1800's Africa, and was purely fiction. They just modernized it.

[@davisworth5114]

Well, not exactly............

[@thatnorwegianguy1986]

Some vets have defended Apocalypse Now and said that i really represented the confusion and the madness especially as the war dragged on

[@AndrewAMartin]

@@thatnorwegianguy1986 It might be more of an authentic representation, but that doesn't mean that it was entirely accurate, or that accuracy was even the goal...

[@chagadiel]

Yes it was hallucinogenic crazy vietnam war movie. Great one at that

[@nathanjames611]

Correct!

[@keymaster430]

In Full Metal Jacket, Rafterman had the camera because he was a reporter for Stars And Stripes.

[@tracker-one-niner]

07:07 negative! The VC and NVA (PARVN) did indeed have tunnels with many floors deep. They had mess halls, classrooms, hospitals, sleeping quarters, ammo dumps and of corse, commanding post as show in the movie. I am not saying they had all of that in every tunnels. However, there were big tunnels complex throughout vietnam, dug by the Viet-Minh in decades of prior wars specially in the CU-CHI area, locates Nortwest of Saigon at III CORPS.

[@chrischerry2955]

Broken arrow is still used to this day when troops are in danger of being overun to allow aircrew to drop closer than they normally would (very simple examination). It's basically a last resort call.

[@nicolas44991]

I tought the modern use of Broken Arrow was about a lost nuclear weapon ?

[@jaspersmith5748]

Danger close?

[@ZeroOne-mp1qe]

​@@jaspersmith5748 only used for when you call in air support and you request it within about 600m of your position

[@Ganiscol]

No its not. Broken Arrow is one of the official terms describing incidents with nuclear weapons or reactors. In this case, a nuclear weapon that is (amongst other things but not limited to) no longer in possession and/or under control of the military, damaged or accidentally detonated. These terms, including Broken Arrow, are outlined in DoD directive 5230.16, Chairman Joint Chief of Staff manual 3150.03B and USAF Instructions 10-206 for internal and external use. They are official terminology. Anybody yelling that into a radio for the purpose you describe, is going to cause quite a bit of hectic confusion up and down the chain of command. Dropping ordnance close to friendlies is indeed called 'danger close'.

[@jadger1871]

@@Ganiscol lol Who's controlling nuclear missile launches via radio? There's a lot more secure means that are actually used. Words can have different meanings depending on context. You never say "repeat" (unless, as a FOO/FAC you really mean it) over military radio, but if someone says it over the CB no one will bat an eye.

[@bigmike9558]

That’s funny several Vietnam vets told me Platoon got it right.

[@Pfizerchamp2020]

100% 😂 My uncle was in the 25th Infantry Division from 68-70. He told me before I joined in 2007 that platoon was the closest anyone could ever get to knowing what it’s like to be a new guy in an infantry platoon that’s forward deployed. He got to Vietnam as a brand new private so I’ll take his word over this douche who never served a day in his life.

[@davecannabis]

you only showed American movies, (apart from one Vietnamese movie) you guys werent the only ones involved you know ! did you ever gat the chance to watch "Danger Close: The Battle of Long Tan" depicting about 300 Aussies take on and beat a force of approxamately 2000-3000 NVA and beat them, a great story and the movie is well worth a watch

[@menachem2521]

Chill dude. We lost 60,000 men in the war, I think we have a right...

[@davecannabis]

@@menachem2521 a lot of Aussied died there too , their story deserves to be told also mate, i was pointing out that fact, i suggest you watch "Danger Close: The Battle of Long Tan" yourself, its a great story, but honestly if history was only taught through hollywood, the world would be a very uninformed ignorant place indeed , so maybe you could also chill a bit ok , i didnt diss any of the soldiers who fought, just the movie makers and the guy who made this video in particular

[@chuckschillingvideos]

19:40 That was not your typical ground pounding Marine wielding a pro Nikon body he scored from the PX. His assignment was as a photographer detailed to Stars and Stripes and his camera would have been issued to him for his duties.

[@SimonAshworthWood]

Platoon is more accurate than most Vietnam War movies because it was made by Olivier Stone, a Vietnam War veteran who came to terms with the reality of the war, not living in denial like most pro-war film-makers and some war veterans.