The Mythology that Inspired Tolkien

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@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

This is a new type of video for me, looking at fiction and seeing its influences. Please tell me your thoughts and views on it, as it would be very interesting to me.

@jenifehlberg3189 11 ай бұрын

Was Tolkien referring to the two trees as a comparison to the two trees in the garden of Eden, the tree of life and the tree of knowledge?

@kariannecrysler640 11 ай бұрын

I like seeing how old myths evolve. There are many more modern stories that are conglomerations of myths and new ideas. Through the looking glass would be a hoot to unravel what’s entwined lol

@johnsteiner3417 11 ай бұрын

Curious what you would make of Netflix's Bright, an urban fantasy in modern day Los Angeles.

@3rdeye671 11 ай бұрын

There is a lot of Slavic mythology mixed into his Epic fantasy.

@cherub2918 11 ай бұрын

My partner wrote his thesis on LOTR from a pop-culture perspective (pop culture at the time of its writing that is) and talked about a lot of similar things 😁

@shirleynoble685 11 ай бұрын

For those looking for in depth examinations of Tolkien’s work, check out the large collection of both popular and academic work by Thomas Shippey. He is considered to be one of (if not the) foremost commentators on Tolkien. Now retired, he taught at Oxford using a syllabus developed by Tolkien and also held the same chair at University of Leeds that Tolkien did. One of his best known books is The Road to Middle Earth. He also wrote a very interesting book mapping the myth of Heracles onto the ancient Celtic road system of Western Europe and its astronomical connections. And, yes, there was a quite extensive road system in pre-Roman Gaul whose complexity and accuracy of surveying shows that its occupants were not the unsophisticated barbarians that the Greeks and Romans liked to make them out to be.

@felixh5748 9 ай бұрын

Whats the name of the book he wrote bout the celtic road system

@fintan9705 9 ай бұрын

@@felixh5748 there's a book about the celtic mapping and road systems by Graham Robb called the discovery of middle earth.

@pyreflei 11 ай бұрын

I'd love to see you cover mythological influence in Neil Gaiman's works, as well as Terry Pratchet. They're two of my favorite contemporary authors!

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

I am pondering this, and shall ponder a little more.

@wobber17 11 ай бұрын

Yes, the whole "anthropomorphic personifications of universal concepts" on the surface just looks like pantheism, but I always had a sense that there was an interesting difference, but never could put a finger on what it was. Would like to hear your thoughts@@Crecganford

@karinschultz5409 11 ай бұрын

Yes, Pratchett is an excellent suggestion. Always liked the idea if the world on the back of a turtle flying through the universe.

@cyankirkpatrick5194 11 ай бұрын

I just learned that Frodo means wise from older English.

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

Yes, or more specifically someone who has grown wise.

@cyankirkpatrick5194 11 ай бұрын

@@Crecganford yes because it plays into the character of him and his journey I love the book and anything by Tolkien.

@daliborbobr6331 11 ай бұрын

next time you can do Wagner's "Der Ring des Nibelungen". It is full of mythology and I always felt that Tolkien had to be partly inspired by it

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

That is an interesting idea, thank you for the suggestion.

@ThursonJames 11 ай бұрын

@@Crecganford yes, please! 🫖

@jrpipik 11 ай бұрын

Tolkien said he did not appreciate Wagner and that he had been influenced more by the same stories that inspired Wagner than Wagner himself. But I suspect you're right, that he was more influenced by The Ring Cycle than he would admit.

@camgilson1439 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, Tolkien was trying to re-write Wagner’s Ring Cycle, and liberalize it, ie make it less fascist. That’s the whole point of LOTR. Tolkien secretly loved Wagner’s Ring Cycle and the myths that inspired it, but because of the outbreaks of WWI and WWII, Tolkien wanted to make a sort of British / vaguely anti-fascist version of the Ring Cycle, so he came up with LOTR. Many of the characters are similar, like Sauron being based off Alberich and the Istari being like Wotan in wanderer-form.

@ThursonJames 11 ай бұрын

@@camgilson1439 sounds a bit “Make Sunwheels Indo-European Again”, no?

@herreramissions6283 11 ай бұрын

I love your work!!! You should do the indigenous American origin stories. They're very interesting. Specifically the ....popol vu... spelling is hard

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

Thank you. I am planning on doing this next year.

@Tymbus 11 ай бұрын

Great idea. I would add 'A Story as Sharp as a Knife: The Classical Haida Mythtellers and Their World''

@Nancy_S68 11 ай бұрын

Any Native American mythology would be interesting - comparisons of tribal creation stories, cosmology and comparisons of constellations and their stories, future predictive stories, etc.

@darren.mcauliffe 11 ай бұрын

@@Crecganford Do the Indigenous Australians too. I was raised in Australia and no nothing of their mythologies. I know the word dreamtime, but don't really know what that is. (or have you done that)

@moonpearl4736 11 ай бұрын

OMG, Crecganford on Tolkien! Before first breakfast even! I am ecstatic.

@lindagates9150 11 ай бұрын

Terry Pratchett is the only author I miss I wish Lyn could finish the books that he didn’t have the time to complete.I would love to hear your take on the Disc world he created 😂❤🎉❤ I adore reading them aloud and inserting my own fooynote😅s

@joelhellstrom6640 11 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed the video! :) I know your forté is cultures that are forged in the british isles, but are you aware of how finnish and finnic folklore epic "Kalevala" influenced Tolkiens world, such as story of Turin, Quenyan language and the names of the creator Eru Iluvatar and Sauron? (Ilmatar, Annatar?) Thank you for what you do, it is always a treat to put on a crecganford video. ❤

@Badficwriter 11 ай бұрын

Ilmatar? There's a D&D god of martyrs named Ilmater. Never thought the name came from somewhere.

@unntohuh9496 8 ай бұрын

Mielikkki may also be familiar for those who read the Dragonlance books. Mielikki is the hostess/Queen goddes of the forest in finnish mythology

@CivilizationEx 11 ай бұрын

Amazing video! I'm so glad you delved into this universe, Tolkien left us so much to explore. Thank you for this, I was happily surprised to see you cover LOTR and hope you make more fantasy inspired vids! :)

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@torshavnnewell 11 ай бұрын

I think a mythological influence of note is Apollo. Finrod Felagund is a pretty Apollonian character. He is an agent of order and society and a creative spirit.

@jockonde9661 4 ай бұрын

Also Fëanor can be seen as a mix between Adam and Promethee.

@Bjorn_Algiz 11 ай бұрын

Hahaha what about "second breakfast" hehehe that got me so good 😅 love it!

@jenifehlberg3189 11 ай бұрын

Thoroughly enjoyed that lecture. Being an avid Sci-fi fan I would love to hear your thoughts on Star Wars etc ❤❤❤❤😊

@camgilson1439 11 ай бұрын

Star Wars is also based off Wagner’s Ring Cycle. Similar characters and themes, ie Palpatine is Alberich, Darth Vader is Wotan, Luke Skywalker is Sigfried, the Force is the Ring, extinction of Jedi is like extinction of Aesir, blowing up Deathstar is like destruction of Ring on funeral pyre at the end of the Ring Cycle, Leia is sorta Brunhilde, Obi Wan Kenobi is Wotan as a wanderer (similar to Gandalf), etc. Star Wars is like a dumbed down Americanized version of the Ring Cycle.

@jrpipik 11 ай бұрын

A challenge, trying to cover all of Tolkien's world in one video. You could easily do a deep dive into any one element of his mythology. The important thing to me is that Tolkien was influenced by all these sources, but he didn't sit down to interpret a specific myth: he wrote his stories as they occurred to him, though the stories and myths he knew may have influenced him less consciously. For instance, he wanted dwarves for The Hobbit, but didn't want to have to create a bunch of names, so he stole them from The Eddas; but he didn't consciously base the characters or the story on the Norse poems -- which isn't to say they had no influence on the work.

@giovannapacchiarotta4557 11 ай бұрын

Two of my biggest passions ❤ Indo-European mythology and Tolkien. Thank you Professor!

@filteredjc4653 11 ай бұрын

Great video! Really interesting how Tolkein took all these elements and welded them together into his own mythology. I'd recommend 'JRR Tolkien' by Humphrey Carpenter as a really good book about the man, which also sheds a lot of light on this subject

@juanreinbergcortes7893 11 ай бұрын

I would really love more videos about Tolkien and compared Mythology! There's a Lot to be said about the subject

@RJ420NL 11 ай бұрын

Great video. I've been a Tolkien fan for decades and I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the legendarium.

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@jefflippman2925 11 ай бұрын

Love this direction. Game of Thrones, Narnia, Arthur, Star Wars, Babylon 5, American Gods, among others would be appointment viewing

@thisisnotausernameXD 11 ай бұрын

I am always interested in Tolkien analyses and I very much enjoyed this. I'll also join in on the chorus for a dive into Terry Pratchett's world but I do have a different request of my own: Ursula Le Guin. She seems to have written many of her works with an anthropological lens, so there is likely a variety of mythology she would have borrowed from. Earthsea is the most obvious but even the Hainish universe likely has its inspirations in mythology.

@Covah86 11 ай бұрын

I would love for you to do a deep dive into the mythology of Discworld. I credit Terry Pratchett, more than anyone else, for my love of stories and world building. I don't know how he managed to have humour like the time Death went fly fishing with the primordial lure, that would drag the fish out of the water, and then have such devestatingly poignant quotes like Von Lipwig's, ''Do you not know that a man is not dead while his name is still spoken?" I know other authors have done it but none, I think, did it with the same sense of magic that Pratchett was able to accomplish. GNU Terry Pratchett

@juneroberts5305 11 ай бұрын

Gets my vote!! ❤

@royarnejosefsen1863 11 ай бұрын

Terry Pratchett would certainly be interesting

@yukifoxscales 11 ай бұрын

I love how well you cover Middle Earth and how it relates to Mythologies of our World. I've read the books.... Hobbit not very much, maybe 3 or 4 times, LoTR over 50 times [I actually counted it up when the movies came out], and The Sillmarillian probably 25 times? Not to mention Lost Tales, Unfinished Tales, et al. But I have read his stuff with much joy, and I'm enjoying your [and your friend's take on it] very much, because it is confirming those links I felt were there. And as someone who is working on working myth into the reality of a world I want to write in myself, its enjoyable to see how other Fictional worlds can relate to it all.

@AntonyCummins 11 ай бұрын

That sounds like an amazing amount of times to read them.

@danielstride198 11 ай бұрын

Balin is the one Dwarven name not found in the Voluspa. It might be an Arthurian name instead (sounding like it fits with the genuinely Norse Dwalin).

@heraclito3114 11 ай бұрын

What is interesting about Tolkien is that he built a mythology in a similar way that human societies did using previous existing stories with the difference that he did in a few years what the "natural" evolution of storytelling would take centuries.

@hubwil89 11 ай бұрын

More like copy-pasted, including 95% of the names. He just created a mythologies-based fan fiction

@heraclito3114 11 ай бұрын

@hubwil89 He "copy-pasted", combined and evolved. Just like the Greeks did (and there is proof of that)). Just like later civilizations "plagiarized" the Akkadians and Sumerians. If you follow this channel, you should that.

@RelivingHistory1 11 ай бұрын

@@hubwil89 copy pasted....ahaha if its so easy, why don't you do it?

@camgilson1439 11 ай бұрын

Incorrect, he ripped it off of Wagner’s Ring Cycle. Tolkien was writing a Ring of the Nibelung fan fiction. It’s totally ripped off Wagner’s Ring Cycle to the point of being a quasi-parody of it. Not originally developed at all, it’s a derivative work of fiction based off the Ring Cycle.

@DJWESG1 10 ай бұрын

Maybe you'd be interested in sociology, it's ficus is social change, social ordering and how society is 'reproduced' and maintained.

@Slechy_Lesh 11 ай бұрын

I've always disliked Pratchett, but this video was great. More Tolkien exploration would be good. Gaiman is hit or miss. Native American and Finnish mythology would be nice. Is there Greek folklore rather than mythology?

@obxwave 10 ай бұрын

This was interesting and enjoyable, but you certainly could do a deeper dive into all of these topics should you choose. Also, my understanding is that some of Tolkien’s ideas were draw from non-Indo-European sources (such as Turambar, who apparently was inspired by Finnish myth). I hope you will do some follow-ups.

@nullgravity2583 11 ай бұрын

When talking about starwars: "scooby dooby met seeing-three-pee-o's in hoth 🤡" When talking about Tolkien: *talks fluent elvish🗿

@dantescalona 11 ай бұрын

I applaud such a bold endeavour, and I hope you carry it further, whether with Tolkien and/or other authors. However, I‘m here to step into the discussion: although indeed Melkor has basicly existed since the dawn of creation, I believe his maleficence is not meant to be interpreted as inherent to him (or the world). He, like all other beings, has always been granted the faculty of freedom, as much as they‘d never be denied the opportunity of repentance. In what might be seen as Tolkien‘s reinterpretation of „theodice“, even though Eru could’ve easily intervened whenever, evil is self-arisen but also self-destructed; because ultimately good did not traditionally triumph in the end (since Frodo too succumbs too the One Ring), but actually endured and contributed just enough for evil to eventually defeat itself „eucataclysmically“. Therefore, even though I partake in no abrahamic belief myself, I acclaim such view of a non-morally-dualistic world. And as such, I find it hard for it to be compatible with any manichean cosmovision, including zoroastrianism. But thanks nonetheless, for such an eternal conception of good and evil does seem like a plausible assumption to be made in antiquity; which I find quite entertaining even if I do not abide. On further note, I‘d be very interested in morality systems of different cultures through time and space as reflected in their myths. As Socrates might‘ve once asked: "Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?"

@aelfredrex8354 11 ай бұрын

Midgard literally means "middle earth", Earendil is Old Saxon for the Morning Star, and there's a part of Brittany called Rohan.

@raineterni2219 11 ай бұрын

I'd love to hear you talk about Terry Pratchet's works

@darrylseya 11 ай бұрын

seconded;)

@trehayireve4981 11 ай бұрын

Read Plato's Allegories, particularly the "Cave" and the "ring"...

@hallstuart6604 11 ай бұрын

Please please consider covering the Warhammer 40k univers! It is a wash with real world myths and legends.

@Tymbus 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for making me aware of Antony Cummins's book, which Amazon tells me will see publication in November

@AntonyCummins 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for checking it out.

@puppude 8 ай бұрын

Dont do it between the pages broooo

@willleifer1 6 күн бұрын

I jumped at the chance to view this video - I have been enjoying some of your others. It turns out my 4 year old daughter loves myths, particularly creation myths, and your channel has provided riches. She loves the story of the earth-diver to give just one example! Thiis tolkein video felt lacking in real substance though - would have been good to hear more detail about how different myths map on to Tolkein's work. Personally, i think it is impossible to adequately understand how Tolkein uses his sources without looking at how pagan and christian mythologies constantly intertwine. No doubt the trees in Valinor represent the world tree as you say; but also they are derivative of the tree of life. As a forbidden land humans can never access as they are doomed to mortality, Valinor is clearly referencing Eden. And is Numenor Atlantis? An Island with advanced technolgy thar sinks under the sea? Of course. But its also Babel - a place that was destroyed because of the greed and ambition of man to reach up to God (sail across to Valinor). Also, I think you actually completely misunderstand Eru Illuvitar in comparing him to a father-god (Manwe is more similar to that role I think, as chief of the Valar). Eru Illuvitar is the One God, making the status of the valar a bit more uncertain. Yes, they are based on pantheons of Gods (I see strong Greek and Nordic references), but in some ways they are more like Angels - created by and serving the one true God. For me looking at how Tolkein intertwined myths, and his possible reasons for choosing the combinations he does is one of the most fascinating things one can think about in his work....He is often bringing Christian theology to his reworking of pagan themes.

@kariannecrysler640 11 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t mind more like this. Have you considered Robert Jordan and the wheel of time? I read that entire series often lol

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

Wow, that would take some doing... but maybe, one day, in a few years time.

@kariannecrysler640 11 ай бұрын

@@Crecganford I was given the first book in 2000 for my birthday. There’s so many things (Kari Al’Thor, Fain is a family name,etc) that connected to my life that I became completely consumed by the series. I am also very small town, so that rang true as well for me lol

@fernandogarcia3957 11 ай бұрын

Some of the main characters have developments inspired by Odin, Thor and Tyr. I won’t say more, I don't want to spoil anyone the books...

@arianeingham6699 11 ай бұрын

Lovely discussion! I appreciate your insights on the continuing evolution of human mythology.

@ages6592 11 ай бұрын

Melkor didn’t want to destroy the world, he wanted to create living things of his own. When he couldn’t do that (only Eru could create life) he got angry and over time he instead corrupted things in order to put his mark on the world. Sauron didn’t just want to rule the world, he wanted to create order in world (like an all powerful dictator).

@timgilkes1435 11 ай бұрын

I love your videos, always informative and entertaining. Fantasy is my preferred literature so anything you can do expand on those would be fantastic. I would also be interested to hear about British myth and legend; the Arthurian stories, Robin Hood, and other folk tales that may have links with our ancient history. Or in a similar vein "magic" items such as the Gàe Bulg, or Excalibur.

@davidmiddleton7958 11 ай бұрын

As a fan of The Lord of tne Rings, this prompted me to read some of Tolkien's other works. The Silmarillion & Unfinished Tails were very intriguing. My experience of mythology is limited, but I was able to see where some of these works were sourced.

@PhillipaFranklin 11 ай бұрын

Would love you to do Terry Pratchetts Discworld 😊😅

@Mahablast 11 ай бұрын

*puffs pipe* Cheers!!🍻🫖

@marjoe32 11 ай бұрын

Time to break out the Old Toby

@Mahablast 11 ай бұрын

@@marjoe32 ooo of course it is! I see you are a man of culture as well 🪈💨

@juanreinbergcortes7893 11 ай бұрын

In the Book of Lost Tales the Valar of the oceans is called Ylmer instead of Ulmo. I remember thinking about the names in protoindoeuropean Myth reconstructions

@curiositypiqued6573 6 ай бұрын

There's an amazing book by Brian bates (the real middle earth) which I'm still steamrolling through....its fantastic

@misterbaker1946 11 ай бұрын

Please cover the manga One Piece. I watch you to learn more about mythology, so I can understand world building more. It's impossible for me to convey how much you would love his world. Every video I watch of yours I always find things I can relate to One Piece.

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

I have to say this would be very much out of comfort zone, but maybe, one day, if enough people ask for it.

@PeterProfitRacing 5 ай бұрын

G'day from Port Douglas, Tropical North Queensland Australia.

@jemleye 10 ай бұрын

Really disappointed at your disregard of the Finnish influence on Tolkien's mythos. Admittedly, you are an expert of Indo-European mythology, but all explorations of Tolkiens legendarium are sadly very Indo-European-centric, failing to explore how enthralled, amazed, and inspired Tolkien was of Finnish language and myths, mainly the epic of Kalevala. He literally wrote a draft of his own version of one of the main stories within it, recently published as a collection of his notes!

@iamkyle42 6 ай бұрын

I love your conclusion about the age of man and the disappearance of magic and music! I appreciate your work,

@camgilson1439 11 ай бұрын

This is great, but you’re missing a huge influence, which is Wagner’s Ring of the Nibelung. LOTR is basically a liberalized version of Wagner’s Ring Cycle, although Tolkien himself tried to obscure this because of the Ring Cycle’s association with fascism. But Sauron, for example, is directly based off Alberich from the Ring Cycle, Gandalf and Sauruman are sort of based off Wotan, Frodo is a liberalized version of Sigfried, etc. The elves leaving middle earth was based off the death of the Aesir at the end of the Ring Cycle, which was sort of a metaphor for the extinction of Nordic people by Wagner. Tolkien went out of his way to obscure this, but it’s very clear if you study Wagner’s Ring of the Nibelung and then LOTR that Tolkien based made a fan-fiction off Wagner’s Ring Cycle, but tried to make it less fascist (hobbits are small and humble rather than tall blonde aryan warriors like Sigfried, etc).

@marilynwasserman3273 11 ай бұрын

JRR Tolkien was by profession a linguist. His inspiration for his tales was primarily linguistic. He was a man who liked to invent languages! His stories were originally developed as background for the languages he'd invented. Much of the Silmarillion was written long before LOTR and even before The Hobbit, which was intended as a book for children. JRRT had wanted to publish his "Silmarillion" after the success of The Hobbit, but his publisher said it wasn't marketable so Tolkien instead turned to developing a sequel to The Hobbit. The very long process of writing LOTR is well and carefully documented by his son Christopher in a series of books drawn from his father's notes and reflections and is a fascinating story in its own right.

@theobastiaan5943 11 ай бұрын

Tolkien didn't wrote these tales as a backdrop for his invented languages. What nonsense. He wrote this in 1951 to Waldman: "But an equally basic passion of mine ab initio was for myth (not allegory!) and for fairy-story, and above all for heroic legend on the brink of fairy-tale and history, of which there is far too little in the world (accessible to me) for my appetite. I was an undergraduate before thought and experience revealed to me that these were not divergent interests - opposite poles of science and romance - but integrally related. I am not ‘learned’ in the matters of myth and fairy-story, however, for in such things (as far as known to me) I have always been seeking material, things of a certain tone and air, and not simple knowledge. Also - and here I hope I shall not sound absurd - I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its ‘faerie’ is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion." He was very clear that from an early age he was saddened that England didn't have english mythological stories of it's own and so he started building his own imaginative world which he felt wasn't authentic without it's own languages.

@TheDanEdwards 11 ай бұрын

7:40 "Tolkien was a practising Catholic of the Christian church. " - a bit pedantic of me, but it's more descriptive to say Tolkien was a practicing member of the _Roman Catholic church_ . Therein lay the problem, as there is no single Christian church in a secular sense of an organization. And in theology there is just one Church, but no denominations (Roman Catholic or otherwise.) The difference may seem slight, but I think we should emphasize that Tolkien was more into the R.C. religion than, say, many American members of the Roman Catholic church today. And there is tension (to use a word theologians love) between orthodox Christian beliefs and the mythology in Tolkien's "fairy" universe, though the LOTR plot for Aragorn in particular embeds a great deal of European Christian culture of the divine right of kings.

@emom358 11 ай бұрын

I read his entire body of work every 2-3 years. I've seen the movies, LOTR was ok, but the Hobbit was terrible with a few bright spots. Just my opinion.

@charlieboone1298 11 ай бұрын

Is this the same Antony Cummins I'm thinking of? Historical researcher and foe of all mall-ninjas?

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

It probably is.

@KipIngram 9 ай бұрын

It's almost heartbreaking when Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf, and Frodo board that last ship and it sails off into the sunset - not just over an ocean but through a veil that no man can ever follow them through - it is as if the last magic is departing the world. Because they are no longer needed - the last Dark Lord has been defeated, and it's very much as though the idea was "you guys will be able to take it from here - you're on your own."

@heraclito3114 11 ай бұрын

It's not said where humans go when they died but it's a different place than elves'. That's why it's so dramatic that Arwen chose to stay with Aragorn because that means she would be separated from her father Elrond and the rest of the elves forever. That's the price for choosing humanity.

@Connor-ys7ew 11 ай бұрын

Loved this video sir. Lord of the Rings is actually what got me so interested in comparative mythology. I think there’s so much more to discuss just on the lord of the rings books. So much inspiration from various religions and cultures

@ChristopherWentling 11 ай бұрын

There is only one god in Tolkien’s world. The Valar and Mayar are a sort of angelic beings that are sent down to actualize the music they had made in the heavenly realm. Morgoth is in no way equal to Eru Iluvatar (God).

@neilhaverly4117 11 ай бұрын

The Bible 6 day was a recreation and replenishing of the cosmos including the Earth and followed the second to last flood that being the flood of Noah's days. This recreator resting on the 7th day is the best example of melchor

@carolstevens1722 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for this intriguing & beautiful analysis!

@momomunsta8887 11 ай бұрын

You could tell us about what mythology inspired what you ate for dinner for the night and we would probably watch it

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

Tea and chocolate digestives.

@blakewinter1657 11 ай бұрын

Just a quick note, Tolkien did explain a bit of what happens to Men's souls. They go to Mandos but then 'leave the cirles of the world,' which is special because it means they are not bound to the existence of Arda. Beren's greatest feat may have been delaying leaving the halls of Mandos until Luthien could come and move him to Pity. Also, in the Athrabeth, Finrod the elf suggests that this transcendence of the world was connected to Illuvatar's first plan to heal the world.

@TheDanEdwards 11 ай бұрын

The end state of Humans was not revealed by Eru, which is why I assume "leave the circles of the world" is really thought of as a _future_ event, once Eru is finished with the world that exists. I think the problem is that the timeline of Middle-earth and then the transition to our time is somehow independent of time in Valinor.

@blakewinter1657 11 ай бұрын

@@TheDanEdwards No, they are definitely said to only tarry in the halls of Mandos for a short time before leaving the the world entirely.

@Egilhelmson 10 ай бұрын

@@TheDanEdwardsThe problem with determining the afterlife of humans is that Tolkien’s Middle Earth stories were always written from the Elvish POV, and how would they know?

@the_lotharingian 11 ай бұрын

Cosmology's often say strife must be bad and its absence must be serene. But i see that serenity with no strife leads to apathy and ignorance and a true utopian paradise would be populated with jellyfish just floating mindlessly getting only what's available but never improving themselves or their environment. In opposition the desperate and depraved living in dystopia must develop strength and cunning to survive, maybe in an absence of serenity they might create escapist fantasies and imagine a utopia and meditate upon it and use all their strength and cunning to manifest it partially in reality as much as it can. Maybe they can do immoral deeds to achieve their goals and maybe they rationalize why it was justified. And when these people swap places will the new land be wasted on them or would it shape them to match the environment? Wouldn't they look at each other with contempt because the man who lived a hard life gets jealous at the lazy content man for not wanting anything nor thinking hard about it and then the other sees the first as contemptible for running amok needing every thing to be managed and constantly being worried instead of letting things work out the way its going to work out anyway.

@ThursonJames 11 ай бұрын

Ilúvatar - Father of Illumination aka Sky Father? What is the first part?

@earlwajenberg 11 ай бұрын

In Tolkien's Elvish, "iluv" is 'all' and "atar" is 'father', so "All-Father,' just like Odin. The other divine name, "Eru," means simply 'the One.'

@juandiegobenitezavendano448 11 ай бұрын

I would appreciate learning about Starwars and its links to Vedic traditions and myths.

@kellydalstok8900 11 ай бұрын

Please please please make a video about Terry Pratchett. I love his Discworld books and the world and characters he created therein.

@denniswrande6004 10 ай бұрын

thx for sharing these i think that him JRR tolkien got much inspiration from the Nordic asatru tales and mythology stories that made him more into those stuff and drawn into it

@stephaniewright898 10 ай бұрын

Three of my very favorite things❤❤❤ mythology, historical Ireland and Scotland, and history. MORE PLEASE 😊

@ShekinahGwaii 10 ай бұрын

I'm mortified that this video seemed to cause Jon too much grief to do again! What is wrong with people, lol😢

@dr.k1012 11 ай бұрын

I clicked so fast omg

@3rdeye671 11 ай бұрын

Melkor and his agent Sauron aren't so much evil as their goal is to undo the creation and replace it with their own flawed version. Like Zoarastrian they oppose the 'Light' and are therefore beings of the Darkness, the world of Shadow.

@nb-yi1yf 11 ай бұрын

Tolkien suggested that mens souls/spirts go on to join eru in the tumeless halls after their arrival in the hall of mandos after his judgement in them no?

@LuDux 11 ай бұрын

How about the book that Tolkien disliked "with some intensity", Dune

@jenniferroxy5956 11 ай бұрын

Yes we would love harry potter, terry pratchet, all of it, everything

@HiopX 11 ай бұрын

already had my second breakfast... but what about third

@DylanTheMattressMan 11 ай бұрын

I really appreciate your sharing of scholarship it substantially helps me in my historical interpretation for visitors. I would not like to see you going into pop culture narrative comparisons done so well by let’s say ‘in deep geek’ or sharing the characters archetypes in modern story as seen in Jordan Peterson lectures 2017. However I would love to see you in discussion with in deep geek going over the Jungian Archetype stuff that would be a fertile area I believe. For you regular presentations how about going smaller and into folklore and legend perhaps the Scandinavian supernatural the Nuckelavee is a super scary monster, bloody hell is it. Or even go Creganory with the oldest stories simply told Please just keep doing what you do what ever you decide

@Crecganford 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for commenting, it does seem that less people like these videos, but those who do, really like them. Perhaps this kind of content should be on a different channel. Something I shall ponder.

@DylanTheMattressMan 11 ай бұрын

It’s because your content is so clean and focused it’s a compliment really. But look at in deep geek his content in the pop culture fantasy field is top notch although does not bring in your study try a collaboration ? I so want a Creganory Channel something my daughter may enjoy at bedtime.

@kyleellsworth6440 11 ай бұрын

This was craic! More on the influence on fiction, please!

@javikus 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for your consideration of Tolkien's work! If you have the opportunity, consider Slavic mythology, the difference between West Slavic and East Slavic, and its proximity to other Indo-European cultures.

@not-a-theist8251 7 ай бұрын

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The Mythology that Inspired Tolkien

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