The Naval Battle of Guadalcanal 1942 - Animated

[@TheOperationsRoom]

What could the Admirals involved have done differently?

[@myvideosetc.8271]

From the comfort of my home is easy to think that a good option would be "trust the intel on the most modern radar on your fleet", but who knows if false echos would have made things worse.

[@TonyLovell]

joined the army

[@dietpepsivanilla3095]

Have Scott in command and not Callaghan. Scott had night combat experience as the victor in the Battle of Cape Esperance. Callaghan was brave, but more of a paper pusher and this was his first combat. Both were killed and awarded the Medal of Honor, but both could have lived as Scott would have crossed the T and also changed his command to the Helena, which had radar.

[@SvenTviking]

Callaghan should have put His strongest radar ship at the front of the fleet.

[@ezekielbrockmann114]

Americans: Place radar and radio antennae on those little islands north of the airfield. Japanese: Don't attack Americans.

[@Drachinifel]

It was great to work with you guys on this, look forward to doing so again in the future!

[@Rascofresco11]

YOU DID GOOD MATE

[@logpheniox8606]

Great Work!

[@geordiedog1749]

Good work chaps. A very powerful combined force you make, I must say!

[@canuckster24]

Do Samar next

[@Boatswain_Tam]

Great co op guys. Fantastic video! Looking forward to so much more in the future!

[@mig0150]

This is a messy naval battle. Must have been a nightmare to try piece together all the ships locations for this video.

[@Chino56751]

Ironbottom Sound, they call it. Though I think much of the ships were made of steel...

[@Toke3004]

@@Chino56751 And steel is made of iron, so it all makes sense in the end doesn't it?

[@Joseph-xj4ex]

@@Toke3004 True lol

[@Chino56751]

@@Toke3004 But not its final form. They're the same, but different

[@swordmonkey6635]

Most naval engagements are messy. Look at Jutland. It was a clusterf*ck with neither side coming out the clear victor.

[@TheOperationsRoom]

@Drachinifel will be releasing his documentary on the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal on Wednesday, featuring clips from this video. Be sure to check in with him on Wednesday to see it.

[@markc7899]

Great!

[@DarrylHart]

Will do, I follow Drach anyway so look forward to it. Cheers chaps.

[@slartybartfarst55]

I'll be there!

[@geoffreyyang5906]

I love Drach!

[@blitzpelirrojo]

Wow id would have to watch both on split screen!

[@ztarz99]

My father fought on Guadalcanal. Every once in a while he would talk about it. It was mostly close quarters, hand to hand in foxholes and later when he was sent into the tunnels. He was a two time Purple Heart recipient. He died in 2010 still carrying Japanese shrapnel in his leg. I do remember him not having anything good to say about Callahan. He refused to address him by his military title instead referring to him simply as Callahan. Thank you for this and all of your WW2 videos.

[@donarthiazi2443]

From this video I can fully understand why he disliked the man. Also, it seems the only reason he was awarded the Medal of Honor is because he died in the battle. And probably for purposes of moral(I suppose?). That should never be the case though. NOT with the Medal of Honor.

[@jackdundon2261]

The men I talked to HATE DUG-OUT-DOUG.... at the start of the war, we had Peace Time admirals in charge... he'll, after ww2, the fired Winston Churchill. -- thank God we had Bull Halsey and Chester Nimitz in the Pacific.

[@MrWayne6363]

What a great sacrifice all made for freedom. I thank them all.

[@Carwash301]

Adm. Scott would have been a better commander that night. Scott understood more of the modern technology such as radar.

[@jackdundon2261]

@@Carwash301 he who makes the fewest mistakes wins...

[@dapperdino6044]

My great Grandpa fought in this battle. He served on the USS Laffy. He survived, and has hell of a story to tell for it.

[@rulingmoss5599]

Crazy to think him surviving might have been what led to you being here today, its almost scary to think about, would love to hear his story!

[@Feargal011]

USS Laffey's suicidal attack on IJN Hiei is the stuff of legends. Imagine finding your destroyer racing in to only 30 m from the batteries of 14", 6" and 3" guns on the opposing battleship and being able to sail away from the encounter. Amazing stuff!

[@sls12III]

I bet Laffey was so close that he could see the Japanese sailors' faces

[@GerardFlamant]

​@@Feargal011❤ N É N Ç N

[@Shadowfax-1980]

It must be terrifying to have to abandon ship in the middle of the night not knowing if you’ll be rescued.

I can imagine very little of what takes place during the events of this video as being anything but terrifying.

[@RCAvhstape]

Also consider that most of the crew down inside the hull really don't know what's going on during the battle. They are at their battle stations, which is often some part of the ship with no outside view and they run through the procedures they have rehearsed to operate the various systems, so they don't know there is a shell about to hit them or a torpedo on the other side of that bulkhead that's about to burst through and blow them up or drown them. When they are told to abandon ship they only know that something awful has happened but not quite what it is or where they are at. The only guys with any clue what is going on are topside.

[@hunterroberts9951]

Crocodiles ate some of them when they drifted close to the islands.

[@oldfrend]

they were at least within visual range of guadalcanal so they could've swam or rowed there after sunrise. not everyone made it of course, but it's better than drifting on the open ocean thousands of miles from anything resembling land, like the survivors of the USS Indianapolis did.

[@MrHeuvaladao]

Cold water and lots of sharks

[@davebickler4643]

My Father-in-Law, Richard Campbell was on Washington that night. Served in a 16 inch mount. He was 17 years old. Rest in peace Dad.

[@fredhayes145]

My father, ARM2/c Edward P. Hayes was aboard Washington. He was a radio-gunner on the OS2U Kingerfisher scout plane

[@mikejackson7425]

My dad was also on the Washington. A.L.Jackson. I took dad to several BB56 reunions in the 80s n 90s. God rest them all.

[@hughgrection4205]

17 years old...It's hard to imagine. My uncle John Wilkinson died on His 19th birthday at Anzio

[@matthewnikolai8287]

My great grandfather was a gunners mate for West Virginia’s main guns

[@Bikavin]

@@hughgrection4205 is your uncle know or meet audie murphy the most decorated soldier in america history in anzio?

[@TheNerdForAllSeasons]

Finishing an 11 hour shift, about to knock out, suddenly Operations Room alert. Sleep can wait.

[@nitromeano]

damn what do you work with?

[@DUBMANS]

Ah same here the past 3 weeks been 15 11hr days. Then if possible back to 40 hr weeks

[@Mirageknight2133]

"WAKE UP MARINE, THE JAPANESE ARE ATTACKING HENDERSON FIELD!"

[@monmonfiasco6391]

I miss Crunch Week in holyday work OT pays better

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

General quarter, all brain cells man your battle stations.

[@sarjim4381]

It makes sense that the Japanese snoopers misidentified the battleships as cruisers. They were undoubtedly the first time the IJN encountered a triple turret in a two forward, one aft layout on a USN battleship, but it was the common layout for USN heavy cruisers. Even with the terrible losses suffered by the USN that night, it was the first time that radar directed gunfire showed the ability to double and triple the effectiveness of a ship so equipped.

[@Cailus3542]

Yeah. The Allied advantage in radar was huge. Cape Matapan, Guadacanal (the second one), North Cape, Surigao Strait; all won because of radar and radar-directed guns. Scharnhorst, Kirishima, Yamashiro and several Italian heavy cruisers fell victim to British and American battleships as a result.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

I wonder if the night fighting also played a factor. The Japanese relied on color dyed shells to see which ship's shells are landing and at night it with multiple ships firing it would be hard to tell if you were on target or if it was another ships shells. Also, it would be crazy to see the maneuvering the USS Washington had to pull off to dodge multiple waves of IJN torpedoes.

[@sarjim4381]

@@ColoradoStreaming The Japanese were not as blind as you might think. The first thing they did was test every seaman for night vision, and they only used the ones with the best test results for night lookouts. They had what were easily the best optics in the world at the time, including some binoculars on automatic mounts slaved to the searchlight system. The lookout, using binoculars with lenses as large as 48", could follow the searchlight beam, or leave the light off until he spotted something, switch it on for a few seconds until he spotted the ship he was looking for, and have an automatic readout of the approximate distance to the target as well as its lat/long. They also developed the world's brightest starshells, at 1.7 million candelas, as well as a parachute system that could keep the shell in the air for as long as eight minutes. They also practiced for night warfare constantly, something the USN almost never did before the war. About the only time the Japanese were at a serious disadvantage in the first two years of the war was when the visibility was zero from rain or fog, Radar could still see, but things really turned against them once we developed gunfire control radar that could bracket a ship with the first salvo. No human gunfire control officer could match that performance.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

@@sarjim4381 Very interesting, I appreciate the explanation!

[@sarjim4381]

@@ColoradoStreaming You're quite welcome. Sometimes it's good for me too, because it helps organize my thoughts about the subject. As much as I'm a fan of all things electronic, sometime the Mark 1 Eyeball is still the best sensor. :-)

[@markwalters2217]

The USS Juneau was the ship that carried the 5 Sullivan brothers to the bottom resulting in the war department not allowing brothers to serve together again in the same theater of conflict. Still enforced today. My Uncle was a Marine on the canal and once I returned from Vietnam as a Marine, he opened up a little about Bloody Ridge and a few other things. Wounded on the canal and again later on Iwo Jima.

[@d23g32]

"...resulting in the war department not allowing brothers to serve together again in the same theater of conflict. Still enforced today." That's not true on several levels. It's just one of many myths surrounding the Sullivan Brothers that have been going around since WW2. I and three of my brothers served on active duty in various branches of the US military and I became very familiar with this policy. Not only did/does the War Dept or the Dept of Defense not prohibit brothers from being in the "same theater of conflict", it did not (and does not) even prohibit brothers from serving on the same ship. This is straight from the horse's mouth, aka the US Navy - "Several misconceptions, common during World War II and after, continue to circulate about the Sullivan brothers and the assignment of family members to U.S. Navy ships. Reference to a "Sullivan Act" in connection with family members serving in the same ship/unit is a popular misconception. The Sullivan Law of 29 May 1911 is a New York State Law dealing with firearms. Although proposed after the death of the five Sullivan Brothers, no "Sullivan Act" was ever enacted by Congress related to family members serving together. Similarly, no President has ever issued any executive order forbidding assignment of family members to the same ship/unit." www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/disasters-and-phenomena/the-sullivan-brothers-and-the-assignment-of-family-members/sullivan-brothers-policy-family-members.html As for the DoD in general, there's the 1948 Sole Survivor Policy (DoD Directive 1315.15 "Special Separation Policies for Survivorship"), but that also doesn't say what you described. It applies to surviving sons and daughters but is NOT a strict prohibition. It is a completely voluntary program that allows a military member to apply for exemption if he or she becomes a survivor due to the military service-related death(s) of one or more family member, or a draftee to apply for "peacetime deferment" from a draft under certain circumstances. There is no mention in the policy of any prohibition of siblings "serving in the same theater of conflict" or even in/on the same unit/ship/etc. The 1948 policy was updated in 1971 to allow for any survivor as described by the policy to apply for draft exemption or discharge from service, not just a "sole" survivor. Here's an explanation of the policy from the USMC, but the same policy applies to the entire DoD - marineparents.com/deployment/issues-sss.asp

[@jackkelledes4082]

During the late 1990's I served on a submarine with 2 Sullivan brothers. There were no regulations against it happening but it was a running joke on board.

[@alanjm1234]

The waters off Guadalcanal are called Ironbottom Sound, because so many ships lie there. Henderson field is still an airport, the Solomon islands international airport. It's amazing to see the amount of WW2 hardware still lying around the Solomons and Vanuatu.

[@Sanderford]

For me, this battle shows the growing importance of RADAR, and what a mistake it was for Admiral Callaghan to raise his flag on a ship without it.

[@ramal5708]

In Battle of Cape Esperance, Adm Scott (who died in this battle) also chose a wrong flagship (USS San Francisco San) who don't have SG radar, but still he managed to win that battle with less chaos and in an organized way. Even though at the beginning ther was a miscommunication about the commence firing order.

[@isilder]

And how about not forgetting to send the dd,pt and pby in at day to rescue the 600 crew from Juneau ? Theres a lesson in that !!!

[@charlesatanasio1622]

Wont say he didn't deserve the medal- but his blunder was very avoidable...

[@Sanderford]

@@charlesatanasio1622 Agreed on both counts. He was definitely courageous and went into a dangerous situation in less than ideal circumstances because they really had little other choice, but he bungled in the heat of the moment.

[@mitchconner2021]

And he sunk one of his own ships and still got a MOH. Our military is funny sometimes.

[@convenienceandpracticality9032]

My grandfather was on the USS Walke that was torpedoed and sunk. He has interesting stories to tell. Twice japanese ships (1 was a sub) saw the men who survived floating in the water, shined their spotlights on the American men and then shut it off and left without firing at them.

[@philbruin]

The Jap navy was much more honorable than the army - the army would have gunned them down.

[@MRREDD12]

Honorable Imperial Navy

[@Robert-un7br]

@@MRREDD12 The Japanese code of honor considered people who surrendered to be cowards. That was why ground troops that surrendered to the Japanese army were treated so poorly. The naval troops hadn’t surrendered. They had literally gone down fighting. I think that’s why the Japanese treated them more honorably.

[@marcdenton2996]

My dad was on the battleship USS Mississippi in the Pacific Theater. After coming back he never would talk about it. Modern medical science would probably diagnose this as PTSD. I watch these videos because at this late age in my life, as a Vietnam survivor, I want to understand my father better.

[@corneliuscrewe8165]

The father of a very good friend of mine and a man I admired very much marched all the way to Germany, he never much talked about anything he saw or did in Europe. Talked a lot about training in England, not much of a peep about Europe. He would have been first wave at Omaha Beach, he got injured boarding the landing craft, got knocked into the ship and injured his leg. Probably saved his life. Said the beach was still red when he finally landed weeks later.

[@mattvidler1404]

My grandfather was on the USS Preston when it sank. His name was Edward Stuemke. He went on to serve in the Korean War. He died in 1996.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

The WWII Vets area all quietly dying and its really sad that such a great generation is leaving us.

[@afletchermansson4418]

Do you know if your grandfather was aboard Preston prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor? It's quite possible he and my dad were shipmates. My dad was a radioman aboard her until just after Preston arrived at Pearl. Dad was then sent to Kearney, NJ where he joined the commissioning crew of Fletcher and remained onboard her for the duration of the war. It wasn't mentioned in this video but Fletcher was the thirteenth and final US ship on the night of 13 NOV - the day before your grandfather's ship sank. Tin can sailors were (and are) a breed apart.

[@OrbitFallenAngel]

Your Grandpa is part of the Greatest Generation To Have Ever Walked The Earth!! 🙏🇺🇸❤ My Grandpa served in the US Army during WW2 and was in the European Theater...he was also in the 3rd Army. That would have been General Patton's 3rd Army. ❤🇺🇸🙏 Every single man and woman who served during WW2 in my opinion are Heroes. They deserve our complete and utter respect and adoration. I wish our Country would have sat down with these brave and courageous young men and women and gotten their stories....Because everyone should know what they did for us.

[@shononoyeetus8866]

Now this is one hell of a crossover Bring Drach in again You’re the best 2 channels on this site

[@beyondsingularity]

Drachinifel and The Operations Room? A match made in heaven!

[@ale69420]

I swear The Operations Room can make a Time-Lapse of my mom beating me and my brother down and I still watch it. Is that good

[@Vekhayn]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT THE

[@SlavicCelery]

5:34PM the mother removes her sandal in a threatening manner. 5:36PM: without regard for their well-being, the two children relentlessly tease their mother's less than flattering haircut 5:38PM: all hands lost.

[@rogerpattube]

At 1004hrs, Mum identifies brother A in his bedroom. Meanwhile, unbeknownst to either, brother B is cleaning his teeth.

[@ale69420]

@@SlavicCelery LMAOOOOO EXACTLY. I READ IT WITH THE NARRATORS VOICE XD

[@101jir]

They need to do something like this for April Fools

[@alexroselle]

I used to live in San Francisco, and there's a war memorial to the USS San Francisco located in a park near Land's End, overlooking the Pacific Ocean and the approach to the Golden Gate. The memorial is built from the ship's bridge wings, which had to be replaced following this battle. They look like Swiss cheese. It's a testament to the horror of this battle and the courage and sacrifice of all who served in the Pacific War.

[@alanmydland5210]

I want to see it am close enough to do it

[@marimbadearco]

It's a beautiful monument, you look out at wide view of the Pacific Ocean. My uncle, husband of my mom's older sister, was younger brother of Rheinhardt Keppler. He was on the USS San Francisco for several years, including dry dock during attack on Pearl Harbor. He was wounded but kept going back below deck to pull up others: the fumes would kill sailors who could not make it topside on their own. He literally bled to death because of these efforts. At the memorial's annual commemoration one of the two surviving veterans told me Rheinhardt just finally collapsed when topside, dead. Same vet recounted how years later he and other crew members decided on their own to create a special extra plague for him. To get around Park regulations they secretly attached it on the north side of the lower section, still there today. He was also recognized for his valor at the time, a transport ship was named after him. His body is buried in nearby Golden Gate Cemetery.

[@billd.iniowa2263]

I absolutely LOVE your animated maps. One request tho: Could you please include a scale of miles/kilometers once and awhile? I know zooming in and out throws them off, but if you could show the scale on the over-all map and then again once you are down to your tactical map, that would be icing on an already delicious cake. Keep up the great work, Thanx!

[@michaelcabiles7716]

please make a video on the biggest naval battle in history: THE BATTLE OF LEYTE GULF

[@burnstick1380]

jutland was a bigger naval battle (Actually the biggest modern battle). You could also argue that the Battle of Cape Ecnomus was bigger than jutland but since those are wastly different era I wouldn't want to compare them

[@yourdailydoseofdumb]

I forget what it is called but they should make a video about the battle with a small group of ships called taffy 3 against the Japanese main fleet.

[@burnstick1380]

@@yourdailydoseofdumb The battle of samar

[@jonahstoehr3637]

Whilst I understand Wikipedia is not taken as the most accurate site around. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_naval_battle_in_history gives a good comparison of the Largest battle. Both Michael and Burn are right just in different areas, and I quote for Jutland, "In terms of total displacement of ships involved, it was the largest surface battle." and for Leyte Gulf, "The largest in terms of displacement of ships in the combined orders of battle, if not necessarily in terms of displacement of the ships engaged, was also the largest in terms of the displacement of ships sunk and in terms of the size of the area within which the component battles took place." I personally consider Leyte the bigger battle because of the number of ships and personnel involved and the area the battle took place in. The displacement of the ships involved, to me, just does not matter as much because smaller ships and aircraft have sunk bigger ships. Edit was for grammar mistakes after I posted.

[@burnstick1380]

​@@jonahstoehr3637 Now whilst it is accurate that destroyers and aircraft can sink bigger ships its mostly that non-capital ships get disregarded because they are seldomly the decisive factors. And also (as I understand it) quotes wikipedia that the heaviest ships took part in the battle of Leyte Gulf which is tbh expected of a battle that happens 25 years later. In addition you could argue that the Battle of Leyte actually is made up of 4 "subbattles".

[@davebartosh5]

Thanks! I had requested this a couple of times, and wasn't disappointed. Glad you had help, hard to squeeze this chaotic battle into 17 minutes.

[@TheOperationsRoom]

Thanks for the idea!

[@richardw2566]

The Ops Room and Drachinifel working together to start my Sunday morning. Well done gentleman. My grandfather was in one of the boiler rooms of South Dakota that evening. Obviously he survived or I would not be here to type this. Thank you Grandpa.

[@strippedupper5261]

My grandfather was also in the boiler room of the South Dakota, he passed in '08, much respect to these sailers!!

[@janebrown1706]

Woo being in the boiler room would be a very dodgy job!!

[@anthonystejan8492]

I met a survivor from the USS Northampton, after her sinking at Tassafaronga, really a beautiful moment to chat and talk with him... God bless all our Vets!

[@h.m.5924]

Anyone who hasn't read 'Neptune's Inferno' I HIGHLY recommend it, if you have interest in learning more about the Naval battles around Guadalcanal. Incredible book.

[@James_T_Kirk_1701]

Blazing Star, Setting Sun is also about Guadalcanal and is very good as well.

[@netxfarmer5252]

Currently listening to Neptunes Inferno and came here looking for a video to get a better understanding on the chaos of this engagement. The book is excellent and so is this video!

[@crimeon1782]

heres a change of pace, Theres a book on audible called Japanese Destroyer Captain. Its about the captain of the IJN Amatsukaze. (7:05) He is actaully the one who created the japanese torperdo doctrine as well as created the superior japanese torpedos before the war. He is also the only destroyer captain to survive the war. It gives reallly good insight on not only this battle but basically his entire life/ the entire war. Seeing this book from japanese prepsective as well as getting insight as to the condition the japanese were in throughout the war is stunning. highly recommend

[@smc1942]

Also Eric Hammel's Guadalcanal; Decision at Sea. It's excellent! I love Neptune's Inferno too!

[@TheEVEInspiration]

The opening of the battle really looked to me like a major cluster f.

[@JeepWranglerIslander]

Like a knife fight in a phone booth in the dark.

[@reubensandwich9249]

@@JeepWranglerIslander It was described as a "bar room brawl with the lights shot out."

[@liamweaver2944]

@@Chino56751 Savo Island?

[@cookiecraze1310]

'Hey, let's try cross the T of the Japanese fleet!' *Draws the line instead*

[@spikespa5208]

Trying figure out why the admiral wasn't on the ship with the _____g radar! A mystery.

[@Big_E_Soul_Fragment]

Oh boy, a crossover with Drach!

[@GunDrummer]

Ohhhhhhhh I loved this. Been reading about the Pacific theater non stop. Can't wait to see more of your videos thank you!

[@ICraveDave]

Imo the Pacific theatre is the most interesting

[@jimmyh6579]

I love your channel. Your sick dude.

[@bobdobalina8910]

Excellent video. My son is only 3, however, this has been kept to teach him REAL HISTORY. Lest we Forget. Thank you all.

[@TheOperationsRoom]

Our pleasure!

[@averagejoe7860]

mustve been quite a show for the men at henderson. they wouldve had no idea what was going on, except that tons of hits were being scored, and their fate hung in the balance. great video

[@sillyone52062]

In the miniseries "The Pacific," it is depicted as a light show with thunder. The Marines were glad to have foxholes.

[@Chino56751]

@@sillyone52062 Banzai charges vs Long Lance torpedoes...

[@blueboats7530]

Yeah there are some great written narratives by people on the island, one included the phrase "from the beach it resembled a door to Hell opening and closing ... over and over"

[@kemarisite]

And remember that The Bombardment (Kongo and Haruna) was just a month prior, so they had experience with what Hiei and Kirishima could do if given the chance.

[@tomcooper5188]

My father was a young CPL in the 1st Marine Division on Guadalcanal. He talked very little about his experiences there but did mention watching this naval battle, not only the horrendous noise but how it lit up the sky. It was hard to tell the American and Japanese ships apart, but they would cheer when a Japanese ship was hit and exploded. A fireworks display of the biggest order! Love those Marines!

[@sdinvt]

I knew that the Battle of Guadalcanal was messy and intense, but I didn't realize how confused the fighting was. Amazing video!

[@EvoraGT430]

According to Hornfischer there were at one stage 26 ships within a 5-mile radius!

[@woodrax]

You can tell a video like this is excellent when you sit on the edge of your seat, stressed at what will happen next. Great work.

[@TheOperationsRoom]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@johnnyfiveo]

another great video thanks

[@Farmer-bh3cg]

Thank you for your video; it helps clarify things in my mind. My father was an overage Ensign on one of the destroyers that was sunk in this series of fights. When picked up by small boats from Guadalcanal/Tulagi his question was "Who won?'. The answer he got was "I dunno, but we're the guys picking you up.". It was, and remained to him, a confused and confusing fight. He received 30 days survivors leave, then on to another ship and the rest of the war. In my mind, I liken it to a barroom brawl in which the lights go out and everyone starts shooting bullets at everyone else.

[@MyLinguine]

Best crossover ever. I can not begin to explain the elation upon seeing two of my favorite channels working together on a masterpiece.

[@TheOperationsRoom]

Wow, thank you!

[@wannabedal-adx458]

Good example of the "Fog of War". Great video and review of a most crucial battle of WWII-Pacific.

[@feiyang2561]

The best war history channel on the planet period. edit: oh I forgot about Montemayor

[@kuwanger12]

feels sad you dont know about Historia Civilis

[@thedreadlok7900]

How can someone dislike videos that have obviously had so much effort put into them? Great video!

[@streamofconsciousness5826]

They think they're hurting someone better than them. it's meanness and envy coupled with low self esteem only chanced because of anonymity. That's what I think.

[@ritarone7369]

Thank you for this. My father was there, one of the Marines on the island. He survived the war and died in 1980.

[@snowykaze]

FINALLY! Someone made an ACTUAL video about this insane naval battle! Thank you!

[@kristianfischer9814]

Gods, this battle was such a mess...

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

Par for the course, actually.

[@gregorjerman973]

this is what happens when you don't bring your Aircraft Carrier to a Gun fight.

[@motmontheinternet]

My grandfather was in the army during WW2, but the marines didn't have enough guys who could set up and maintain communications equipment, so the army sent my grandfather to Guadalcanal. He said there'd be several nights where he'd wake up from all the noise on the water and see ships shooting at each other or on fire, and he never knew which side was which or who was winning.

[@moalzaben5554]

When I was watching battle 360, they stated that a US sailor after the 1st naval battle of Guadalcanal said that the battle was a like a brawl in a bar with the lights turned off, he pretty much described the battle perfectly

[@Swlabr61]

There are differing versions of that statement. In his book on the Guadalcanal battle, author Richard Frank said it was "a barroom brawl after the lights had been shot out." He was quoting the captain of the US destroyer Monssen, who had attributed it to another American officer.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

And USS Washington was like Chuck Liddell acting like the bouncer

[@moalzaben5554]

@@Swlabr61 oh yeah that’s what I was referring to. Thanks for reminding me!

[@moalzaben5554]

@@matthewcaughey8898 or Makhachev

[@Chiller01]

It’s good to see the naval side of the struggle for Guadalcanal. The exploits of the Marines, John Basilone, Edson’s ridge etc are more familiar but there were far more sailors lost than Marines. It’s also good to re examine the conventional wisdom that the Navy abandoned the Marines during this action.

[@DakotaofRaptors]

Coast Guard also contributed

[@phormioofathens4774]

I think modern scholarship has pretty much squashed the conventional wisdom. The Navy condemned a lot of men to Davy Jones to defend the men at Guadalcanal in brutal fighting. There weren’t many naval assets in the pacific to help in the first place either.

[@joeclayton2121]

@@phormioofathens4774 Davy Jones Locker

[@phormioofathens4774]

@@joeclayton2121 Davy Jones manages the poor devils sent to the locker

[@Robert-un7br]

I always thought the term abandoned was poorly chosen. The Navy did what he could at the time but they were just completely outmatched. Even so, they went into battles like this one knowing the odds more than once.

[@MyMy-zi7yv]

THE OPERATIONS ROOM ... You must be a genius in WW2 knowledge! I'm off the charts impressed with your videos!!!

[@TheOperationsRoom]

thank you!

[@AdmiralWillisLee1942]

If I remember correctly on Amatzukaze's retreat, her captain Tamechi Hara wrote that they nearly had a collision with portland.

[@Crankiebox99]

Damn, how do you accidentally almost collide with a whole damn city?

[@oddiebacca]

@@Crankiebox99 Bad charts? :)

[@notmenotme614]

@@Crankiebox99 Going for a drive-thru meal. This naval warfare leaves Sailors feeling hungry.

[@cf453]

An antifa super-soldier picked the city up and threw it at them. We have a magazine full of Portlands.

[@miikkapulli]

On my version of the book it is mentioned, that they nearly collided with U.S.S San Francisco. It had been hit so hard that her gun turrets were missing and Hara mistakenly identified her as a Japanese submarine tender ship Jingei. This book I highly recommend to everyone to read, who are interested in the Pacific War Theatre. I read it many years back and accidentally found my own copy of it at the town market. Price tag was really high for a badly held book but I bought it and I have been read it many times since then.

[@jacobhaft9714]

The fact that you can put out videos of this quality so often is astonishing.

[@johngregory4801]

You and Drach working together... Awesome!

[@arg1051]

My great uncle was wounded on land, fighting with the US Army. He was more seriously wounded a year later and sent home where he died in 2005 still carrying Japanese shrapnel in his body.

[@jamestiscareno4387]

I very much appreciate being shown actuality without bias of any kind. Thank you.

[@sid2112]

I always want to play Wargame Red Dragon when I watch these videos.

[@PapiJack]

Great video as usual. Just one recommendation: maybe add a flag to each ship to make it easier to follow their movements. At times is difficult to keep track of what ship belongs to which side.

[@JoviaI1]

Holy hell, this battle was a free for all of the worst kind.

[@FlexBeanbag]

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[@markstott6689]

The Battle off Samar needs covering please. Seeing it animated will make everything much clearer.

[@fredhayes145]

Thank you for posting this video. A personal thanks as my father served on USS Washington and was aboard at this sea battle

[@TheOperationsRoom]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@2Links]

Drach collab! Moving up in the KZbin History community.

[@transvestosaurus878]

I was halfway through a shift and as soon as I saw The Op Room upload a crossover vid with Drach I shoved that baby back up there and skipped home!

[@icewaterslim7260]

Damn ! I'm, as more an aviation fan, only recently fully appreciating just how vicious these Naval battles were in the Pacific theater of the war. Good piece.

[@kenneth9874]

Some of the largest naval battles in history

[@barbaramiller8641]

I just discovered this video. My father was aboard the USS Monssen and abandoned ship into dark, shark-invested waters, as the ship was sinking. He received a well-deserved Purple Heart. He named my brother after the shipmate who pulled him out of the water and into a life raft. Later in life, he encountered a clarified account of the extent of the mess of that battle. It suggested the Monssen had been hit by friendly fire. He never mentioned to me those who made poor decisions. But he emphasized the surprise and chaotic nature of the entire battle, saying much of the chaos, during the battle, was caused by the complete darkness, the only light coming from explosions on ships. My father passed away in 2002 and I'm sure he would have appreciated this channel if he were alive to see it today.

[@jamesworrall6499]

This is quickly becoming my favourite KZbin channel! Such a great visualisation of these historical events! Absolutely brilliant

[@TheOperationsRoom]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@jamesworrall6499]

@@TheOperationsRoom keep them coming!!

[@codyandrex152]

I was looking for an animation of this battle. Thank you!

[@frenstcht]

It's hard to imagine this being done any better. Outstanding work.

[@FlexBeanbag]

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[@neilstephennavigar950]

I admire the effort and detail poured into making this! Reading it from books and articles just does not give me the same feeling that I am witnessing the event

[@oneworld9071]

Just to let you know..... excellent job, MUCH learned here. My main source of info in my 6+ decades has been the Richard Tregaskis book "Guadalcanal Diary". My maternal grandfather was a USMC Lt. Colonel with the Engineers for the entire duration of that horrific operation to capture and keep Henderson Field. I spent some years with him, fishing weekends on Chesapeake Bay. My father was his sole confidant, but he also spent many weekends at retreat. He self-medicated with a pint of codeine syrup in one pocket and pint of whiskey in the other, at our home with some frequency having shrapnel picked out by my mom who was a registered nurse. A deeply contemplative man, both structural engineer and architect, I was always aware he'd a shipload of memories badgering him. Thanks for the excellence. Your voice and dialect are reminiscent of journalist John Pilger, you've probably heard :)

[@jhenry8077]

You're so awesome, dude. Legitimately, hands down, without a doubt, the greatest narrator out right now for this type of content. Thank you so much for these videos!!!

[@leperchaun194]

Love the content man! You've built such a great military history channel

[@jellymop]

Man this battle was brutal and chaotic. I felt anxious/tense while watching this

[@antonhengst8667]

You and Drach stand a league apart from all other historians on KZbin-and, even among the vast majority of new-media educators/documentary writers on the internet, the two of you are peers only of folk like SmarterEveryDay, Forgotten Weapons, and the best of Spotify podcasters. This collaboration is phenomenal and I very much hope sets the stage for future productions of this caliber. Thank you both so much!

[@mprto68]

Drachinfel brought me here... and I am glad he did

[@84MadHatter]

You and Drachinifel are my two favorite for content on war documentaries of modern area. It is amazing to see both working together !

[@Broomtwo]

I cant even begin to imagine the chaos of a naval battle at this scale in the middle of the night, which neither side really was expecting. Every moment must have been terrifying for those involved.

[@mrwri]

Your videos are genuinely higher quality than documentaries being put on TV these days.

[@TheOperationsRoom]

thanks!

[@corsair6]

Very underrated in the scheme of naval surface actions, a movie is deserving of this saga. Not only was USS San Francisco Adm Callaghan's flagship, it was also his hometown. At the far Western edge of the city, is a monument to this battle, made up of shattered parts of the USS San Francisco's bridge. The second most decorated ship in the USN during WWII.

[@BrianWMay]

Beautifully and clearly presented. The narration speed is first class. Thank you.

[@timtate226]

Great job on illustrating these desperate chaotic battles. One of my uncles, a WWII navy veteran in the Pacific Theatre, used to often marvel how, "We took those poor marines to Guadalacanal and then just left them there." Well they did get a little backup eventually.

[@tss77]

The five Sullivan Brothers are lost with the USS Juneau.

[@Shadow-sq2yj]

I thought that they were the Solomon brothers

[@gimmethegepgun]

@@Shadow-sq2yj Wikipedia says Sullivan.

[@RottenFlesh-we6nu]

@@gimmethegepgun you can't trust wikipedia 100% because everyone can edit.

[@Shadow-sq2yj]

@@gimmethegepgun I might have misheard it then. I watched Battle 360's version a while back, and I don't have a good memory.

[@Chino56751]

@@Shadow-sq2yj There is a King Solomon, though. And the islands are named that as well

[@kennywang1707]

As a note, you accidentally showed the wrong USS Helena. The one you showed was the Baltimore-class heavy cruiser USS Helena (CA-75), not the Brooklyn/St. Louis-class light cruiser USS Helena (CL-50). The later USS Helena was named so after the earlier one was sunk during the war. Otherwise, fantastic video as always!

[@tmanut3066]

This gonna be fire! Keep it up.

[@TheOperationsRoom]

Appreciate it

[@Chino56751]

@@TheOperationsRoom Some might mistake this Laffey for the OTHER Laffey...the one I mentioned before. The one that withstood that excessive kamikaze attack off Okinawa.

[@janebrown1706]

Finally a decent animation that I can follow. Wish there were more. Amazing sea battle, particularly at night! Respects to all who fought.

[@tbwpiper189]

Nice collaborative mention of Drac, TOR. the combination of you two illustrating history is without parallel. Thanks big time.

[@francescomietta2625]

Hey guys, at 2:40 you used the Baltimore-class USS Helena pic instead of the Brooklyn class one. Still, awesome video and great collab with drachinifel.

[@MrEric622]

My grandfather was a Marine on the amphibious assault for Guadalcanal, and was wounded. I never knew the naval conflict was so...random. All of those ships firing in the dark. Terrifying.

[@ttrestle]

Always a good day when The Operations Room drops a new vid!

[@TheOperationsRoom]

thanks !

[@reneroux2391]

Idk why this channel hasnt blown up yet great content

[@michaelwilliamson6061]

My dad was in the no.2 forward turrent on the Atlanta, they had to scuttle her and sink her in the morning after the battle. Lost over 200 men that night. Great video.

[@75Veritas]

Now nicknamed Iron Bottom sound for the ships lost. Robert Ballard has done extensive dives on the area and located many of the wrecked ships. As well, the 5 Sullivan brothers were all killed when the USS Juneau was sunk during the battle by a Japanese submarine. It forever changed the way the Navy and military assigned relatives to active service.

[@denniscleary7580]

I just finished all your other videos the other day, really liked the battle of 73 eastings

[@charlesbaker7703]

TOR's 73 Eastings video was good. I will probably watch it again at the same time as the Greatest Tank Battles episode where the tankers (including McMasters) are telling what happened during the battle. I really like the one TOR did on the special ops at Portsmouth October 2020 (kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYPQlpJ-obWBY7s&ab_channel=TheOperationsRoom) I believe the SAS(?) helos flying over him is what got his attention and he got the video out within the week!

[@twiggledy5547]

I am a simple man, I watch, I like, I comment. The Operation Room demands all the engagements!!!!

[@ahmeterenispir8362]

YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST. I can't tell how happy I am to see a pacific video shared by your channel. Keep up the good work!

[@TheOperationsRoom]

Welcome aboard!

[@robertphillips6296]

Very well presented, thank you.

[@TheOperationsRoom]

Glad it was helpful!

[@aaronjohn6586]

1 of the best books on this series of battle is the 1 by James Hornfischer's book "Neptune's Inferno".

[@CanakYT]

respect to Operations Room for not being "one-sided"

[@TheOperationsRoom]

Thanks

[@bryank5523]

like operation desert storm?

[@Weak1987]

I like this format so much. Explains so well what happened!

[@eviloverlordsean]

WHAT a brawl! Thanks for shedding light on this...

[@TheGypsyTurtle]

We need more like this on lesser known Battles in ALL wars.

[@spikespa5208]

Would love to see a series of these vids, covering surface engagements from Savo to Cape St. George (November 1943).

[@ColoradoStreaming]

Check out the 'Flashman' book series. They are a historical fiction novel series that coverers many lesser know British engagements during the Victorian era. Some very interesting battles including the first Sikh war, the disaster in Afghanistan, the river fighting in Borneo by a rogue British officer who became King of Sarawak, the Sepoy Mutiny and many others.

[@RCAvhstape]

Laffey passed within talking distance of Hiei, raking her with machine guns and other small arms. Destroyer captains are indeed crazy ballsy.

[@joespeciale5875]

What a great 16 minute summary of the absolutely savage night actions (coming after the Battle of Savo island) at Guadalcanal. RIP Adm. Callahan, it will forever be a mystery why he led the force in a cruiser that did not have radar, and even though he received garbled radar reports from the following cruiser (because his ship being in the lead blocked a full and accurate radar sweep of Ironbottom Bay), they were effectively useless-Of course throwing away an enormous tactical advantage. The other absolutely maddening tendency of the U.S. Navy during these early WW2 night actions was to exasperatingly hold their fire-when they had often initially sighted and ID’d the Japanese forces, and in this case, then as a result being unable to effectively fire their torpedoes at proper range-If of course the US torpedoes would have actually detonated. That’s a whole other story.. But Adm. “Ching” Lee, a decorated Navy sniper with balls of steel, saved the day.

[@Warspite1]

Callaghan had good reasons to choose San Fran as his flagship. For one, it was the most powerful warship in the formation, and traditionally that was the ship that hosted the admiral. For two, a light cruiser like Helena was considered too small for an admirall and his staff to effectively opperate. For three, radar was not seen then, unlike in hindsight, as this wonderweapon that was going to change the landscape of naval combat, and Callaghan's experience with radar was with some of the earlier models and not the improved ones that some of his cruisers and destroyers boasted. Finally, Callaghan had previously been commander of San Fran, so it seems as though he wanted to be among relatively familiar faces upon his return to ocean-going command.

[@bryonslatten3147]

THIS IS HANDS DOWN MY FAVORITE KZbin CHANNEL.

[@Louis_Davout]

I was going to comment that your presentation was as good as one from Drachinel... Great to see collaborative efforts amongst historical content creators to provide analysis on naval battles that are concise and informative on actual courses and maneuvers of ships engaged and/or involved in such historical battles... Much obliged...