The Nazis In Power | The Evil 'Science' | Part 5

[@GK-il3fn]

Bravo for handling the topic with maturity, directness and respect for your audience. No daft ‘trigger warnings’ or ‘content warnings’. This should be compulsory viewing for everyone. (I realise the irony of that statement)

[@foxyshabazz]

The Romans themselves did the same thing: inventing bogus links to past grandeur, by claiming a spurious descent from the Trojans. It seems awfully common. The post-Roman Britons got in on it too, inventing a Trojan lineage for their kings, and there were plenty of people in the Victorian era who tried to say that the people of Britain were one of the lost tribes of Israel.

[@sadiesmum568]

Loving these uploads. Even though I binged all the podcast episodes immediately - in true Wang fashion - watching Dom and Tom in action is something else! Keep it up.

[@DivePlane13]

One complaint, antisemitism is also racism. During the inquisition, the Spaniards believed that Jews had “bad blood” or “impure blood” which is what made them Jews. Anti-Semitism or Jew hatred began before our concept of racism, and racism came out of antisemitism

[@limerickman8512]

Racism and antisemitism are modern words. Racism existed in early human civilisation because humans like animals are violent fighting for resources.

[@Fighterofthenightmanaaaah]

Some very strange opinions coming out of the woodworks in this comment section.

[@r.w.bottorff7735]

My thoughts exactly. What's weird too is that the substance of this particular episode is very critical of the Nazi philosophy...but for some reason some of these comments don't seem to be aware of it.

[@marcoaslan]

A friendly reminder to cultivate Christian values and virtues. Go to Church - resuscitate beauty and gratitude

[@launiesoult3248]

Can you keep your Christian opinion to yourself

[@marcoaslan]

@@launiesoult3248 Here comes the woke police. Feel free to skip the comments or ignore this post if you prefer.

[@zg33403]

Interesting discussion. However, IMO, a thorough reading and detailed study of Adolf Hitlers book Mein Kamph would shed more light on this subject,. Instead, the viewer is subjected to an incomplete presentation. A missed opportunity to dive a bit deeper into National Socialism. Unfortunate but not surprising given the taboo nature of studying antisemitism.

[@DanSam48]

In refrence to the claim you guys bring up towards the end.... "Biggest murderers in history" and "They do everything they can to prevent their victims from fighting back so they can get rid of them all after." Yeah nothing going on in the 80 years since or in Gaza today could possibly justify this perspective. I look forward to the day when we can talk about this man with the same historical objectivity as we do Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar. These men make AH look like a kitten, yet the false moral preening and endless denunciations aren't required when discussing them, you can even hold them with some adoration and respect.

[@jgmcfc]

This is absolutely fascinating, thank you for sharing

[@Ross-e9o]

Thank you for addressing the eternal and most disturbing question of the Third Reich. How could a well educated and culturally mature country of 80 million people be seduced by such an evil regime? To me one answer is even more disturbing and that is that there lurks in us all a capacity to perpetrate such evil acts if the means allow us to escape the consequences.

[@geraldbutler5484]

That is why we need wise leaders, not ideologues.

[@lewiswarburton1224]

I think Tom was very right to stress that nazi anti-semitism wasn’t just racist; political ideologies were racialized. The same thing happens today, but because of the taboo nature of anti-semitism , it is more in the background and less overt. Many critiques of globalism, capitalism, socialism , and wokeism use the implied existence of a shadowy “global elite” , and those with anti-Semitic views will latch onto this.

[@lewiswarburton1224]

Good point.@@chrimbus71

[@Fighterofthenightmanaaaah]

@@chrimbus71 why don’t you go read some actual studies on antisemitism before being so dismissive

[@websitemartian]

criticizing wokeism ? anti semetic ? GTFO !!!!

[@Fighterofthenightmanaaaah]

@@chrimbus71 Assuming by ‘woke’ you mean left wing. The ISGAP Papers: ‘Antisemitism in Comparative Perspective’, Vol. 3, pp. 79-171. Let me know if you need any help with your reading fella 👍🏼

[@Fighterofthenightmanaaaah]

@@chrimbus71 I don’t really use the word because it never had a clear definition to begin with and has basically lost all meaning. The paper I cited does demonstrate antisemitism in some progressive movements so idk if you have anything to actually say about that or if you’re just ranting into the void here? As for Corbyn, he’s certainly been affiliated with some antisemites in the past (Ken Livingstone) but can you point to anything he’s done or said that’s actually antisemitic?

[@blogbalkanstories4805]

Very well researched and analyzed. What this would have needed is a thorough examination of Nietschean influence on Fascim in general and Nazism in particular, however. This is a perennial debate between historians and philosophers, btw.

[@fergalcussen]

I was a bit surprised that wasn't mentioned given that Tom Holland discusses Nietzsche in Dominion. Various post-WW2 scholars have tried to rescue Nietzsche from Hitler's interpretation of him, but it's obvious where the Nazi disdain for Christianity and charity towards the weak is derived from. There are other elements of Nazism that Nietzsche would have no truck with, however, such as nationalism and anti Semitism. Nietzsche also wasn't an admirer of German culture and took pride in his Polish heritage, which may or may not have existed.

[@humblescribe8522]

Nietzche was very much an individualist, though. I don't think he had much patience with racism, and he's always scathing about the Germans in his books for being bourgeois, entranced by nationalism (which he saw as stupidity) and for being stolid Lutherans who had smothered the Renaisssance. He also had no truck with antisemitism - that was why he broke his friendship with Wagner. There are cherry picked elements of Nietsche in Nazism, and his cult of individual greatness and achievement, but many other currents as well.

[@ardaraith]

Yes, agree on Nietzsche!

[@blogbalkanstories4805]

@@humblescribe8522 This goes deeper. Nietzsche's rejection of charity and his Übermensch were direct inspirations for quite a few nationalist currents in Europe, the German branches of which eventually became precursors to the Nazis - and more directly it's his bourgeous anti-bourgeoism. This doesn't necessarily mean Nietzsche was an early Nazi, nor is he the only 19th century philosopher whose writings ended up partly inspiring Fascism. But there is an authoritarian and antirationalist current in his thinking that lent itself to that purpose rather neatly.

[@sotiriapapadopoulou8945]

Nietzsche! Of course!! And I thought something was missing, but I couldn't tell what!

[@stuartmckie3690]

I love the way the English talk about " UNSPEAKABLE CRIMES"... after sailing around the world performing genocide after genocide everywhere they went... and conveniently forgetting they invented the concentration camp during the Boer war... starving women and children to death behind barb wire fences.....

[@r.w.bottorff7735]

Great podcast! A great discussion...but what interesting comments in this section...

[@bucksolo703]

Just finished the episode before this one to find that this one was just uploaded 20 minutes ago its been a great morning so far this guys make my day better and better every time I watch these guys explain in detail my history teacher never could. Keep this podcast going guys!!!!!

[@sunsunsunh]

you can tell they are really into it

[@ducky_playz6917]

I 😅😊oi😅

[@alexeyvankevich7096]

Lenin: "We reject any morality based on extra-human and extra-class concepts. We say that this is deception, dupery, stultification of the workers and peasants in the interests of the landowners and capitalists. We say that our morality is entirely subordinated to the interests of the proletariat’s class struggle. Our morality stems from the interests of the class struggle of the proletariat." "We repudiate all morality that proceeds from supernatural ideas or ideas that are outside class conceptions. Morality is entirely subordinate to the interests of class war. Everything is moral that is necessary for the annihilation of the old exploiting social order and for uniting the proletariat."

[@blogbalkanstories4805]

This is a very superficial comparison.

[@alexeyvankevich7096]

@@blogbalkanstories4805 Really? Well implications of this were quite alike.

[@blogbalkanstories4805]

@@alexeyvankevich7096 No, they aren't in the slightest. Lenin's position calls for overturning a social system - like, btw, many revolutionaries before him. The Nazi position calls explicitly for the elimination of people. That is a very significant difference. Furthermore, Lenin describes a stance in the preparation of a revolution and during a revolution, the Nazi position is a perpertual one. Lenin does not describe an eternal moral law, the Nazi position does.

[@fergalcussen]

Marx and the Marxists *claimed* not to be moralists, but it doesn't mean they weren't.

[@Elitist20]

@@blogbalkanstories4805 I must ask - so what? Both were quite relaxed about the 'liquidation' of their enemies. After Lenin came Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, all self-proclaimed 'Marxist-Leninists'.

[@tanen7264]

This was really insightful for me. I have read a fair amount of history on WWII and the nazis and I’ve of course known of their hatred of Jews along with many other groups of people they deemed as less for whatever delusional reason but I’ve often wondered what was at the core of it and how they propagated it. How they presented this to so many people who accepted it.

[@StewartBairdPhoto]

So much goodness here - seeing the 2 masters chat away is so good!

[@shackledcitizen]

I am not Jewish, I have always supported the Jewish people and the State of Israel.

[@bewareofchild2462]

They're very hirsute. Ha!

[@triplecap4307]

Great videos. You should check out Leonard Peikoff's work on this subject. It is extraordinary.

[@TheCruxy]

52:46 Can someone please help me spell this name? I've tried many times but haven't succeeded yet

[@lewiswarburton1224]

by

[@russellsharpe288]

Sounds like Jürgen Stahler, but Tom Holland often mispronounces German words and names, so it might be Jürgen Staller or something else entirely.

[@eveningprimrose3088]

Darwinism set man free to be a monster. Christianity was formerly the waters we all swam in, but now that the West is post-Christian, it will be Darwinism, more and more, that we swim in.

[@TheNotSoFakeNews]

no, because we understand racial science from the 1900's is complete junk, and that "race realism" is bull****

[@lewiswarburton1224]

Darwinianism only says how we came to be. Belief in evolution entails nothing about we should act.

[@daydays12]

Oh dear! For many people Hinduism is the waters millions of people still 'swim in' as is Buddhism, Islam etc Which sect of Christianity was 'the waters 'we' all swam in '? Catholicism, Methodism, Evangelism, Mormonism, Anglicanism....etc etc?

[@eveningprimrose3088]

@daydays12 my original reply disappeared, perhaps for a link I included for you. I will try to rephrase and encourage you to do an internet search yourself. By "we," I mean people with a Western heritage. I am sure you knew my meaning. Of course there are people of non-western heritage viewing this video, but not very many, I would bet, terribly foreign to Western ideas and ideals. It is in the West that Christianity dominated until the last century, and it was in the West that events described in the video occurred and affected populations directly and primarily. All Christian denominations (except Mormanism, which is a cul*) were once, and still are to varying degrees, forces for good in the world. As far as Hindu India, for an example of accepted practices and societal effects of religions other than Christianity, I would point to the issue of temp1e pr05titution, particularly with regard to children, which is a practice that as far as I know still ongoing.

[@anonmachina]

[cue_ 16:19] 'The weak and non-viable must submit to the strong. Nature allows only the best vital force to survive.' I posit your presentation of the statement is intentionally deceptive and thus intellectually dishonest. Nature bares the statement quoted as evidentiary, which renders the statement (as) NOT propaganda. Elaborating (objectively) on the quote, it is objectively true that the weak and non-viable may elect to NOT willingly submit to the strong, but, absent submission in a confrontation with a more capable force, the weak are conquered...if not simply rendered inconsequential...or destroyed.

[@thejoin4687]

Strength and weakness are very situational.

[@anonmachina]

@thejoin4687 I observe that the contrast between the strong and the weak CAN be situational (distinct traits of each individual affording an advantage relative to specific situations). However, from the onset (genetic composition), with regard to innate abilities, said contrast is NOT situational, but instead, a contrast rendered by the distinct composition of the individual (all other things being equal [such as the immediate environ]). (I am, of course, presuming contrasts amidst the overall condition and prowess of each individual [distinct traits NOT addressed in the timestamp excerpt]). At the genetic level, attempting to surpass calculable deficiencies (sans artificial/inorganic means) commonly results in failure-one can augment distinct abilities, one can develop and refine abilities of which one was previously unaware, but one cannot surpass innate limitations.

[@John-g1g9x]

Ohhh you guys are doing a great job. I think I’ve become addicted…iv always being a reader of history .esp from 150 bc to 300 ad …and 1750 to 1900..BUT u guys have joined alot of the dots for me …thank s

[@oldasrocks9121]

Thanks for mentioning eugenics. Its also worth mentioning anthropology was first developed as an academic discipline to shore up all this racist malarkey as well, despite its eventually redeeming itself.

[@BARGEWALK]

Stunningly good explanation

[@PeoplesGovernments]

What would you get done to lower the population and they wouldn't know it. As it will take time to take effect?

[@richardwilliams5387]

No one believes they're evil. Call it "idealism" or simply an attempt at justification.

[@thomasdonovan3580]

Today I finally learned to spell *”Nietzsche”*

[@fergalcussen]

1:02 the Marxists believed their creed was from empirical reality and not the mind of a great philosopher too. Whether it actually was is another question, though.

[@CardinalBiggles01]

There isn't a lot of separation in the ideology of Marxist Socialism and National Socialism both in fundamentals and outcomes.

[@Ravengagepvl]

​@@CardinalBiggles01Ooh careful, you're so edgy you might cut yourself.

[@CardinalBiggles01]

@@Ravengagepvl Not really sure what you mean by that, I'm almost 60 so don't speak internet kid. My Jewish grandma Phyllis came to England in 1918 but lost 2/3 of her family in 1930s/40s Europe. Some under the Nazis, some under the Marxists, all for the same reasons. Like she said, I fail to see the difference

[@cyclofeedubox8332]

Problem with Marxism boils down to the fact Marx does what every nationalist or politician has ever done, just applies to to everyone - read history with a bias

[@miamithijs3579]

I love the rest is history. But...How about you guys upload all at the same time on every media. If you want to grow a following and upload whenever and give them different titles on every different media you make it difficult for your followers to follow.

[@miamithijs3579]

And what i mean with that is you upload with numbers per episode, then stop uploading on youtube, then upload without the numbering of episodes, and have different titles of episodes on different media. If you want to grow a channel this seems like not the best strategy.

[@louisburke8927]

So savage. Good grief

[@PeoplesGovernments]

☯️🌌🪬🥸

[@anonmachina]

[cue_ 47:24] Abortion is, for most all instances, haphazard and arbitrary. Eugenics is guided with the intent of improving the species as a whole. Plastic Surgery, make-up, hair-coloring, hypergamy, superior specimens of the species preferring/seeking other superior specimens of the respective species (according to the superficiality that is appearance [manufactured or not]), though referenced as Natural Selection, is in operation, amidst cognizant beings, a mimicking of eugenics. That some pro-abortion activists and government officials have attempted to 'extend the legal abortion window' to well AFTER the birth of a child also points to eugenics. That poor procreation is perpetuated from generation to generation ad infinitum points to 'Natural Selection' being detrimental to the cognizant species that is the human species, and inferior to a managed program. The observation is, now more than ever, evidentiary. Or so I posit.

[@Ozgipsy]

Wow, this is a heavy topic.

[@drgeorgek]

So excited! ❤

[@arthurfarrow]

Could list the books you quote?

[@restishistorypod]

We have a free newsletter you can sign up to in which the books from the episode are listed (and you get 10% off from Cole’s Books if you subscribe!) mailchi.mp/07877d359664/free-trih-newsletter-signups

[@ericadler9680]

"Hitler was not insane" - apparently you're not aware of the fact that he was in psychiatric treatment for a time during the first World War.

[@cyclofeedubox8332]

Needing treatment for ptsd or what used to be called shell shock doesn’t make one “insane”. Quite the opposite in fact, unfortunately in this scenario

[@ericadler9680]

@@cyclofeedubox8332 That depends on how you define mental illness, personally I would define it fairly broadly as to including depression for example, and also ptsd. In Hitler's case, he was clearly mentally ill, paranoid and delusional, which obviously grew worse in the last years, probably worsened partly by his drug use. There is an interview in English here on KZbin with Baldur von Schirach (if it hasn't been taken down), where he answers "Undoubtedly!" on the question whether Hitler was mad.

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

I am grateful for the episodes. Thank you and God bless. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. ... Turn to Christ to save your souls today. Do not die without having a close relationship with Him.

[@davidtaylor747]

I'm ok, thanks. Can I interest you in Scientology?

[@sunsunsunh]

is this a bot?💀

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

@@sunsunsunh No.

[@redgegraves8749]

My child just had to write an essay on pro's and con's of communism. Could you imagine the same tolerance for Nazis? Both should be vilified.

[@dannydore8038]

Tom and Dom, what do you have to say about the work of David Irving?

[@lexerdaniel4843]

Irving is a rampant anti-Semite, Holocaust denier, and Nazi sympathizer who has been thoroughly discredited after making-up lies about Hitler being unaware (or against) the Holocaust. He would have fit right in with the Nazis of the time and has dedicated his career to whitewashing their atrocities and downplaying Hitler’s atrocities. He is disgusting

[@gomey70]

seriously? the racist loon who claimed the holocaust never happened?

[@steventrotter4958]

So they dont upload to the KZbin channel in half a year and then when they come back its the 24/7 Hitler show. Its like watching mid 2000's History channel

[@genviduploader7729]

I know, it's great

[@ericadler9680]

Apparently you are also not aware of the fact that Hitler was not a nationalist (neither was Mussolini, who repeatedly spoke out against nationalism). Hitler and Mussolini were both imperialists, and that is not compatible with nationalism, because nationalism respect other peoples' right to protect their own borders. Hitler dreamed of deporting tens of thousands of Dutch to the Russian steps, where there were to live as colonists, for example; that has nothing to do with nationalism, quite on the contrary. You don't really know what you're talking about.

[@leshazell6050]

You do know what the N in NSDAP means don't you?

[@SAINTOBVIOUS]

Six million ? 🤔