The Need for Speed Iceberg EXPLAINED (feat. KuruHS) | Cut Content, Mysteries & Theories

We are having a look at the NFS Iceberg which has been making its way around Reddit and Discord. Let's talk about cut content and mysteries around Need for Speed Underground, Need for Speed Most Wanted and many other NFS games, narrated by KuruHS and myself!
▼ MORE INFO DOWN BELOW ▼
As mentioned in the video:
• Download and play the Pepega Mod here: pepegamod.com/
• NFS Theories Board: needforspeedtheories.boards.net/
• Kuru on NFS 2021 Leak: • NFS 2022 Leaked - Why ...
• NFSMW Beta Content Mod: nfsmods.xyz/mod/1711
• NFS Underground Gamecube Prototype: • NFS Underground Protot...
• Habib Zargarpour revealing NFSMW binder: • Need for Speed: Most W...
• NFS Most Wanted 2004: • Need For Speed Most Wa...
• NFS Most Wanted Alpha 124 Prototype: • NFS: Most Wanted Proto...
• NFS World Launcher & Download: soapboxrace.world/
• NFS Most Wanted 2 Cut Content & Early Concepts: • Need For Speed Most Wa...
Special thanks to @KuruHS for helping me with this video. Subscribe to his channel if you haven't already: / kuruhs
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:27 Level 1: Tip of the Iceberg
7:00 Level 2: Surface Level
10:50 Level 3: Shallow Waters
15:43 Level 4: The Core
19:44 Level 5: The Depths
25:43 Level 6: Bottom of the Iceberg (narrated by KuruHS)
30:28 Level 7: The Abyss
37:14 Level 8: Bottom of the Pit
52:26 Conclusion

[@DustinEdenYT]

If I have missed anything or got anything wrong while researching this video, let me know in the comments. I will edit this pinned comment with additional information or corrections if need be! • The Iceberg sheet was made by *DeFy!* • MW '05 Cops screaming in pain: There is one more voiceline that got cut from the game and is only heard in the PS2 demo, this time actually sounding more like the iceberg described. Have a listen here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4WXgaCAmaeFh9E And another one right here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aovXgJltp99grZY Thanks to Splash45 and Sergeantct920 for finding these! • BMW/Ford Antenna: The PS2 demo does actually feature a Ford Mustang (rival race against Rog), which comes with an antenna that got removed along side the M3's antenna as discussed in the video. • NFS Website attack: Some more people remembering the attack came forward saying that the site has suffered additional DDOS attacks which shut down the site for at least a week. The motivation behind the attack seemed to be that the attacker(s) were unhappy with the bad support on the site. • NFS World died in 2013: World actually got shut down in 2015, but it has been "dead" since 2013 as that year had the final official update for the game. • GrandTheftAero MW2 Cancelled video: A video on Most Wanted 05's removed content was in the works which had a sneak peak of Most Wanted 2 related content, but due to legal reasons has been on hold since 2018.

[@shadowmostwanted3592]

Btw i think mw might be 16 now

[@thecowgoesquacc]

I distinctly remember the vinyl similar to the BMW Motorsport vinyl from the PSP port of NFSMW'05, as well as the street ver is used in the game also used by Ronnie with the famous blue and silver livery.

[@Kijox]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnu8d5epjq-NjqM

[@santiagobrooks8571]

I'm very surprised their was hardly anything regarding NFS Carbon, this NFS I would argue had the most cut content due to EVIL of EA, was my favorite NFS game. Also how NFS Undercover was suppose to be NFS The Chase.

[@markoz673bajen8]

Lol the Airport from MW is mapped in World

[@KuruHS]

Thanks for having me! ;)

[@shadowmostwanted3592]

); !em gnivah rof sknahT

[@crashthrax]

Damn only three replies?

[@BlueflagAlpha]

oh hi Kuru

[@Kijox]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnu8d5epjq-NjqM

[@vox5093]

love you

[@ghivifahmi4252]

EA business model: Smol studio did good EA puts them under their wing EA puts high schedules on them Smol studio puts out rushed product Bad sales Smol studio went down

[@Pc_98_Fan]

yeah this was confirmed two decades ago

[@matheoo8079]

yop, real asf

[@Anim3ddicted]

RIP Blackbox and Criterion

[@wineandlimeontwitter]

@@Anim3ddicted criterion is still alive

[@caioangelo_5328]

Exactly what is gonna happen to codemasters

[@Ikcatcher]

The Need For Speed concept where apparently you play as racing terrorists would be fucking wild to see

[@sakshamsharma5429]

NFS Terror Five, right ?

[@soldadoryanbr7776]

Fast and furious?

[@ROBOHOLIC1]

Ridge Racer Unbounded did that

[@TheBreakingBenny]

In Carbon: Own the City you play as a murderer.

[@theonlyplain]

@@TheBreakingBenny isnt nfs most wanted protagonist is also a murderer. i mean its less direct though, but surely nobody wouldn't be injured or die from all those crashes in all the chases we have done

[@shuddafukkup]

Always thought it was pretty strange that Toyota tried to distance itself from NFS. When you think about it, if it wasn’t for media pertaining to Street Racing (NFS, Fast and Furious) it’s possible that their cars wouldn’t have the same affection from so many people who grew up with that media.

[@nftscreenshotter6436]

they probably saw it as hurting their bottom dollar, because there was a pretty big issue back when NFSU and NFSU2 came out where completely stock civics and supras were being pulled over by idiot cops out of the assumption that they were racers.

[@eur0be4t3r]

Also Initial D

[@GoshTimeBR]

@@purwantiallan5089 well, I have bad news for you regarding Toyota on the new NFS game...

[@Dustyfeez]

@@purwantiallan5089 bad news about that

[@LilnormieX]

Nfs introduced me to Toyota

[@bogdanpavel5]

I like how the music is so serious and mysterious but there are a lot of meme in this iceberg

[@luisortega8085]

most of the music is from NFS Undercover's map tracks, which i personally love.

[@MkfMtr]

@@luisortega8085 Music in question is from Undercover's garage, not races. Undercover's garage had a great atmosphere other NFS titles didn't have.

[@MadMaxBLD]

The last two tracks are "Gladiator remixes" of popular songs as featured in the SHIFT 2 menu screens.

[@bogdanpavel5]

@@TallTapper never played the first two

[@dtxspeaks268]

@@MkfMtr the only thing good about Undercover was the OST tbh

[@vakapont]

there's an iceberg for everything, huh? i'll watch this tho i'm a sucker for these vids

[@ozmobozo]

Wonder if there's an "iceberg" iceberg explained video...

[@ozmobozo]

After a quick research the result is there's multiple.

[@TheRealAtello]

Titanic iceberg iceberg when?

[@snippz_-loco-_2871]

@@ozmobozo Can you link it?

[@ozmobozo]

@@snippz_-loco-_2871 Look, there's a search bar at the top.

[@chrisjoseph6840]

I found this while playing nfs mw 2005, during a chase, I heard a officer mentioning about a female drive they took in custody and they also said that " she says that she is a undercover officer". I noticed it because in the final cut scene we get to know that the charecter mia who helped us in the whole game was an undercover cop. I found it out recently. I don't have the evidence for this because I didn't expect this to come. I am sorry and also glad that I could share this info with u.

[@NFSBeast2365]

😳

[@Armo_Performance]

yep me too

[@deathaero9149]

It might be in a 1 hour video of police quotes by Nooby Chris. One cop mentions Cross by name as well

[@SpikeTheLucario]

MW/Carbon Crossover Theory: Mia was originally meant to play a large part in the story of NFS Carbon, but this didn't end up coming to fruition (potentially due to Josie Maron being unavailable). Let me explain the events in chronological order (SPOILER WARNING): -The race with the crew bosses in the story intro of Carbon happens. At the end of the race, Darius sets you up by making it look like you ran away with the money. -Mia is sent out to track you down to recover the money. In order to figure out what happened to the money, she hooks up with you and helps you out. -At some point, she hears your side of the story and realizes that someone else has the money she's looking for. -During her time with you in Rockport, her objective changes from obtaining the missing money to taking down the Blacklist with your help. -Once they're taken down, Mia helps you get away in the final pursuit so that she can use your help in Palmont to find out who has the missing money.

[@EW1R]

This makes a lot of sense

[@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious]

This makes f*cking sense

[@TorutheRedFox]

the thing is that mia is an undercover cop

[@Intunecat]

Mia is a undercover operator not a bounty hunter so its not posible There is a theory of mine she became the rockport sergant after cross was fired for risking the whole PD to bust you the player

[@r0b3rt_959]

Considering the race with the Supra where you win the fake money happened before the events of MW, I don't think Mia could have any role in there. Besides, she's part of Rockport's PD, not Palmont's.

[@ChainikVlad]

I'm actually surprised about "Ryan is the protagonist of BB era" is that deep, considering Russian community believes that it's actual fact, not a theory xd

[@SSCEurobeat]

Especially since the Supra from carbon is mentioned by the first announcer from prostreet on the first race if you wait by long enough

[@sevvvich8118]

Я был на 90% уверен, что это правда. До этого видео.

[@ChainikVlad]

@@sevvvich8118 У меня всегда смутные сомнения по этому поводу было даже до этого видео, учитывая что НФСки сами по себе не сильно нагружены сюжетом. Да и учитывая бекграунд чеки в соревнованиях легальных, в том числе (я полагаю, что там такое есть) про стрита - я чет сомневаюсь, что ГГ МВ и Карбона вообще смог бы участвовать в этом деле... если конечно не сменит паспорт и не начнёт жизнь с 0 (и да, там даж не ясно протагонист ли Андерграундов и МВ - один и тот же человек, кроме как отсылки от Рога в начале). Ну и плюс учитывая как Купера садят в Андерковере как лошка - лучше уж реально я буду считать ГГ МВ - неизвестным и молчаливым крутым перцем, как был Клод в ГТА 3.

[@kaedeschulz5422]

@@SSCEurobeat Oh daymn i think i have to replay the whole of black box NFS games from starting from underground 1 These day's undercover also get's better and better thanks to the awesome modding community.

[@SSCEurobeat]

@@kaedeschulz5422 My personal headcanon for the timeline of the games would be underground 1, underground 2 (nowhere else to put em and they would setup the street racing background), carbon prologue story (ryan runs off with the supra), prostreet (suggested by the supra left in the parking lot), most wanted (how else would he get a race special m3 gtr like that) then into carbon after prologue I recently replayed the games like this and it sorta made sense, especially with all the mentions from the other characters (the only guy who contradicts this would be rog who mentions you coming from night racing, but I think that he just wouldn't know about you doing legal racing in the meantime)

[@logane1102]

Here's something iceberg-worthy i think! In MW 05 there is an object in the game that has an odd texture... the cardboard box object littered throughout the map. If you stop and get close to it, you can actually see some interesting text written on it. One side says: "EAX AH: Colleen or Cindy" | A tag on the box that reads: "EAX-8061 QTY: 1 A whole bunch of stuff there is no way you will be able to read once it's reduced" (haha well obviously somebody didn't reduce it down enough lol) Another side says: "Andy a{nd his) mountain bike were climbing up a hill when all of a sudden a little turtle jumped right in his way. Andy didn't want to run over the poor little turtle so he stopped, picked it up, and (carried) it down the mountain. What a nice guy that andy is." idk what any of this means but it sure is weird.

[@mr.razington7881]

Very strange, and very cool! Devs like to put down weird bits of placeholder text on all kinds of stuff in games, had no idea NFS had it as well.

[@DaaWood998]

I found the same thing in NFS Carbon. That's probably because a lot of textures in Carbon were imported from MW: www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_xW87FcgT1uu9gT6pUFSykb4SLXEOVkwJ.jpg

[@aqop5548]

This is the story of the black edition 3 vinyl

[@theducksarecoming]

andy seems like a nice guy

[@FurryWrecker911]

For one of the trainers I had to make for a company we had a bunch of QR codes in the reference photos. We used to link silly things to the QR codes like "why are you scanning this? Get back to training" and "Never gonna give you up." When you need to come up with text, but don't know what to put, you make stuff up fairly quick.

[@yuefei8711]

This iceberg is awesome. NFS Carbon really is a treasure trove of mysteries, conspiracies and cut content. Kinda saddened almost none were metioned. Le Samurai Crew, Mystery City, Canyon Free Roam to name a few.

[@plazasta]

ever since I found out about Le Samurai yesterday (or was it 2 days ago? Not sure) I've been fascinated by them. Like seriously, as far as I've seen little is known about them outside of their logo and a vinyl, but clearly they must've been big in early concepts since their logo can be found all across Palmont City (like while playing I randomly found it in Shady Pine in Silverton along with Hills Borough in Fortuna. Those are on complete opposite ends of the map!) but I'm not sure what you mean by Mystery City though. What's that about?

[@liviekumori]

Scorpion crew too

[@zaphkiel8978]

@@plazasta mystery city must've been the city view from a canyon (i forgot which one) that doesn't line up with the position of the canyon itself and palmont city, so in that overlooking view, there shouldn't be any city visible

[@plazasta]

@@zaphkiel8978 ah crap now I want to know more about that!

[@olzhas1one755]

@@zaphkiel8978 It's also speculated to be seen on the cover art and promotional material for the game

[@millertime97jm]

50:22 There actually DOES exist sound files like that, though they went unused. There exists a video that covers every unused file they could find. The video was unfortunately deleted, but re-uploaded later by someone else. Here it is. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIvZc4WvYp2rrrs It happens at the 13:00 mark

[@Crash_Knight]

Christ the last one sounded like he was being eaten by a bear

[@millertime97jm]

@@Crash_Knight I know. They went over the top with that. Still, considered how hard you can smash into the cruisers, even causing them to go into a barrel roll, it'd fit well.

[@billymercury3897]

Holy shit, imagine if they weren't unused. Not sure how much of a difference it would make, but I'd feel very upset...

[@sooryan_1018]

Bruh made me feel like murdering psychopath than a street racer

[@ogruber11]

This was an hour of my life well spent

[@hypergaming8385]

Your profile pic says otherwise xD

[@ThunderTHR]

Hi there. I wanted to elaborate a bit on the final theory you mentioned, about the cancelled MW2 video from GrandTheftAero (from my own personal recollection). Yes, there *WAS* a video in the works at the time (around 2018) on both an MW2 video and a cut content video for the original Most Wanted video, and I was originally pitched to serve as the voiceover for both videos (I was formerly known as HGCentral, who voiced the cut content videos for Underground and Underground 2.) The videos ultimately didn't come to fruition for multiple reasons, part of it resulting from time constraints from my memory's sake. I was going through a very rough patch in my personal life at the time of needing to work on the voiceovers, and had to spend a lot of time re-working/editing the scripts as his grammar was often poor or needed a lot of fixing, which often cut into my other projects. From what I remember, he was originally planning to continue working on the video with another voiceover who was able to get the work done quicker at the time, but this ultimately never surfaced, as I believe he wanted to put the video on hold so that he could work on the history of Midnight Club video (which ended up becoming his final video on that channel). He's still around as far as I know, having made a couple videos from beta builds of Burnout 2 on his second channel, "SuperType1", however I have not been in contact with him for a couple years now. I sadly don't have the original scripts anymore, as its been lost to time due to the computer I was using at the time (including its hard drive) now being out of commission, however I was later told from other members with knowhow about the cut content in the Underground games that parts of what's mentioned in that video are apparently incorrect, moreso in the Underground 2 video. I'll try seeing if I can do some digging around for the scripts if they are still in my Discord chat logs with him or not. *And yes, I AM STILL INTERESTED in doing voiceovers for racing games, including (but not limited to) Need for Speed. I'd be more than happy to help with those looking for a voice for videos they may be working on.* :)

[@Rigel6747]

you should probably message him again to get the video back on track

[@YOEL_44]

The guy has even another channel, for wich I don't remember the name, and is currently uploading some weird music remixes, yes, currently, the last one was like a week or so ago

[@grandtheftaero1]

@@YOEL_44 ye

[@YOEL_44]

@@grandtheftaero1 OMG the man himself, nice to see you around, I don't know what plans you have for this channel, but as you can see, people is waiting for you, hope you're doing well

[@grandtheftaero1]

@@YOEL_44 i am working on something but its being made on my pace. which is a snails pace. its my final video anyway so im not really rushing it to be fair.

[@bruce_wayne1478]

Bruh nfs 2021 was just unbound leaks from years before 💀💀💀

[@rockzs74r]

I expect to hear something from Carbon. Something about San Juan, LeSamurai crew, Nikki being the Final Boss with Endgame and etc

[@lRedKill3r]

I expected to hear something about NFS Rivals (such as the Zephyr's death theories) and No Limits (such as the multiple references to other games)

[@rockzs74r]

@@lRedKill3r yeah this theory will be better suited to be called Most Wanted Iceberg. Because they mostly cover most wanted. Every single games have its own lore and mysteries. Even Heat have the unfinished Torres Story arc with Motorcycle expansion

[@offbrandbiscuit]

I still have no idea why they didn't add San Juan into the map. Circuits in San Juan can be accessed through Quick Race, and the tutorial level occurs in San Juan as well. I just have no idea why they didn't add a connecting road to go there in free roam

[@audomari4227]

is it just me or is eden very fitting to be a narrator?

[@LehtiMarssi]

Id prefer Morgan Freeman for next video.

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

He has the voice of a reddit post narrator, kind of like rslash.

[@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious]

@@lilyeet1980 and other 546 people, including me

[@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious]

His voice + this odd mix of memes and sseriousnessis just pleasing. I liked it

[@Frank9532]

Also, the "cop screaming" can be heard and it was present in an NFS Game. To be specific, in NFS3 Hot Pursuit (1998) from PS1

[@Wheresthepepsibismol]

Yep NFS III in itself is mysterious Empire City is so bleak and dark.

[@Frank9532]

@@Wheresthepepsibismol and it gets more weird because there was going to be a variant to Empire City but it was left at mid development. nfs.fandom.com/wiki/TR02B There's also videos of that TR02B track

[@Wheresthepepsibismol]

@@Frank9532 yeah I love the NFS games from the 90's romulus 3 was supposed to be in NFS II ps1 version but was in NFS III ps1 version.

[@TrxieVTuber]

@@Frank9532 I had always wondered about this! NFS 3 always had two versions of each track and two songs for it (Like Hometown & Country Woods sharing the songs Hydrus 606 and Little Sweaty Sow). But Empire City didn't seem to have a counterpart track and yet it had two music tracks set up for it (Flimsy & Warped) and a strange roadblock by the church.

[@Frank9532]

@@TrxieVTuber it was cut either due to time or space limitations

[@DreamOf944]

18:22 i actually just recently discovered the existence of the airport on the map while playing the pepega mod. I always wondered why the highway "loops" the way it does and seems to stick out of the highrises onto an open field at that point. I stopped to look over the barriers and sure enough the buildings in the background looked like airport terminals. Great to see it appear on here with a map drawing and a small mention!

[@priyapepsi]

in NFS world, the highway loops are expanded and certain parts have airport terminals next to them.

[@Kacpa2]

I think that Rog being a first blacklist opponent wouldnt exclude him from helping out later. There is also that story beat where Razor alludes to us meeting Rog in jail or him screwing Rog over the same way he did us. Could be so that in final game Razor took 15th spot from Rog and took his Mustang, hence him driving a Pontiac instead.

[@FraserSouris]

I suspect it could be an unfinished story concept. That initially, Rog had a larger role in the story but it was scrapped because it would have taken a lot of work and would have stood out. Like, Rog would be the only Blacklist member besides Razor to exist beyond bring an opponent. If Rog had very few lines after that, it would have seemed odd to the player. And "fixing" this would have required too much work

[@GRIMEYtheFATMAN]

I'm considering this cannon from now on...

[@cat09no]

@@GRIMEYtheFATMAN Same

[@falefee]

Extremely well made. Kinda like the LEMMiNO of NFS, great watch

[@halmget3198]

I like your java remixes so much. Kururave is my favourite!!!

[@halmget3198]

@LiaruWatch his content and try telling this again :D

[@halmget3198]

@Liaru Oh I'm sorry m8, thought you implied he doesn't deserve it :D

[@ashton9699]

Check out some of grandtheftaero's videos too

[@iigs400ii]

At the end i was like "what a good 10 minute video" then i saw the time, it was so interesting that it make me lose track of time lmao

[@masterbowler5202]

I see Mystery City mentioned in Level 8 but wasn't talked about it.

[@rlfpotatoking9253]

i was wondering this too, i searched all through level 8 of the video but Eden never talked about it...mystery city is one of the best theories of nfs imo even if in the end, mystery city is just beta palmont city - it's really nice to hear what people think about it and the feeling of a mystery city present in the map just makes NFS Carbon more eerie, i love it.

[@uselessguy1]

that brad lawless thing is pretty wholesome. i was confused when i first saw it in ug2. great video.

[@otniela.p.l.1043]

About the cop screaming, I remember in one of Kuru's video, forget which one, there's basically a cop talking and then got rammed by an suv, and then he's basically like grunting, either that or I am just being paranoid

[@CFox_]

Actually i do remember a cop screaming though not in MW2005 but in NFS3HP, the PS1 version to be precise. I forced a cop to crash with a schoolbus and the audio file played, bear in mind this happened when i was a kid and haven't been able to recreate the scene due to not having time to play and also forgetting about NFS3HP alltogether for some years.

[@otniela.p.l.1043]

@@CFox_ hmmm, interesting

[@scottoleson1997]

@@CFox_ maybe it was actually you screaming in shock for the cop 🤔

[@adam123adamus]

@@CFox_ I remember cops screaming from NFS Carbon.

[@sebas87gaming06]

It happen to me in Need For Speed Carbon a police officer screaming in pain in spanish because is my native and I used that language

[@TigerChamp99]

The intro montage is a masterpiece

[@Jexol484]

Undercover menu music is such a masterpiece honestly

[@Kijox]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnu8d5epjq-NjqM

[@teated.2796]

For the Shift is Prostreet sequel theory, I would like to add that there are ripped billboards from the kings in Prostreet in tracks such as Ebisu.

[@xurrasco_021_fanpage]

This is honestly not really much evidence since recent nfs games all use presets from prostreet Like, just look at nfs payback/heat vinyl selection, most presets all trace back to prostreet, even "crew" names (im guessing some logos in nfsps refer to in-game crews/teams) repeat a lot in the vinyl section of recent games, nfsps art is all over new games

[@epiknis3035]

One thing that’s interesting is that the Mazda RX-7 from the opening cutscene of NFS ProStreet shows up as a racer in Need for Speed The Run on one of the later sections where the mob is shooting at you. I wonder who drives that car.. it’s weird that it’s not in ProStreet where the cutscene is from but it’s actually a racer in The Run.

[@SparkTheHyperion]

That's the Battle Machine RX7. In the XB360 version of Undercover, if you complete a certain portion of the Challenge Series, you'll unlock a replica. It's faster than a Fully Upgraded, Purchased RX7 and can hit the game's cap of 250mph very quick. (If I'm not mistaken, it might also appear in Soapbox Race World? Can't remember.)

[@epiknis3035]

@@SparkTheHyperion oh, I actually had no idea it was in Undercover

[@strahinjastevic7480]

@@SparkTheHyperion It was available in NFS World for in game cash back when you could buy modified cars without speedboost.

[@k8-sr495]

This shower thought about the Battle Machine RX7 gets even more interesting I'd say when you realize that ProStreet and The Run are the only 2 modified cars-themed NFS games so far to feature real-life locations in them (Iirc)

[@2ndrew]

16:06 - "The PS2 demo does not feature any Ford vehicles" >proceeds to sideswipe a Koenigsegg Mustang GT

[@RayanM50B25]

Koenigsegg?

[@2ndrew]

@@RayanM50B25 no, a Renault

[@RayanM50B25]

@@2ndrew but you said koenigseggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg in your original comment

[@2ndrew]

@@RayanM50B25 no I said Ferrari

[@conlosmorchitti5832]

@@RayanM50B25 is he really tho? U sure koenigsegg has mustang gt????

[@krlos_amg]

I think some of this stuff would be fitting great in a second iceberg video: - San Juan city from NFS Carbon and how it was supposed to be part of the main city and story - Was Underground 1 city always named "Olimpic"? - The distant islands you can see in some coastal roads in Palmont (Carbon) - The functional but incomplete DLC cars from ProStreet (Challenger concept, Leon Cupra) - The "cut" crew graffities found in Palmont City (Fortuna tunnel near the University) - The radio stations (yes radio, not soundtrack music) scattered around Seacrest County in NFS HP2010 buldings. (Just drive with music volume at 0 and stop in almost any building (verified by my around the beach area and some forestal roads)) - Bikes were usable at some point in development of NFS Heat Most of this things were seen/experienced/investigated by me, while others are topics that were never answered in the OG NFS theories site.

[@droopyaguacat3185]

Wasn't the reason und city was called Olympic city because it was supposed to be based in/ on NY? And because the towers were dropped they had to figure something around it. I vaguely remember reading an article years ago just before undergrounds release that 9/11 was the reason they didn't call it NY or featured the recognizable cities features instead they chose what we got.

[@iVenture01]

Fun Fact: Razor has always been in NFS before Most Wanted 😉

[@Johnny3Batony]

Elaborate

[@iVenture01]

@@Johnny3Batony go look at the name of the racers in the old need for speeds

[@RyoLeo]

@@iVenture01 So in the previous games razor was a random name for other racers? Yeah I can see that turn some of otherwise generic racer names into actual characters in later games to flesh out both the “current” game and previous ones.

[@minignoux4566]

@@RyoLeo it's in the very first game

[@GF-mf7ml]

He is not a car guy 😂

[@03opelcorsa]

Love the fact that you used Shift 2's music for the last two sections. That game had an **amazing** music design.

[@TheRama2299]

I remember being amazed by both Shift and Shift 2 soundtracks, they are awesome

[@ZephyrusBlue]

Sound design in general I believe but yeah I thoroughly loved the weird cinematic/theatrical takes of the few songs in Shift 2s soundtrack

[@Mac_nus]

32:35-33:09 idk if this got told much or less on the internet so I'm just gonna leave this behind to let people know (and ofc you eden) In nfs prostreet, During race days you can sometimes hear the commentator talk about a left over car in the parking lot with the license plate nfs-crb. Which represents the possible blue Supra from Carbons prologue. (Just some unusual information, apologies if I messed something up in this letter 😅)

[@Mac_nus]

@@hafizd8279 welp, seems like I'm discovered. elo

[@Mac_nus]

@@hafizd8279 tbh can u remove that comment, I don't appreciate people mentioning where I'm from, thanks

[@hafizd8279]

@@Mac_nus ok

[@hafizd8279]

@@Mac_nus done

[@Haff_55]

Again

[@dustojnikhummer]

Poor Rosalina. Internet was truly a mistake. I understand people like Speedyheart want to protect their stuff, but the NFSMW community is already quite small (due to no official modding SDK in... ever). IMO stuff should be open source and all it should have taken was his name in the credits of the mod.

[@damiendutch420]

Im not active within the NFS community but i completely agree. Time and time again i see the same people complaining about a small community chasing newcomers away. It just sucks for everyone involved. As someone who lightly mods myself but has quite a few modder friends, i can understand why he'd leave. Even if you make a shitty texture mod your still proud of your own time and effort. I hope they come back cuz a realism mod seems amazing too me!

[@dustojnikhummer]

@@damiendutch420 Even a shitty texture pack is an acomplishment for NFS games

[@damiendutch420]

@@dustojnikhummer ah damn lol, im used to MSC (unity engine) where you can easily rip and add assets

[@Lahey3]

There are 3 books in Poland titled Most Wanted: Return to Rockport. They were sell unofficialy as continuation of plot of Most Wanted and Carbon. It was said that they were written by someone from NFS MW team but they turned out to be a fanfic and peroson who realised it faked her death.

[@drivendragon4557]

I have not have not this much dedication and passion from someone in the community for a video. This was a fantastic video Eden.

[@Frank9532]

"Check em out if you own a copy" Bro, real g's got their black editions, collector's editions and DLCs from TPB back in the day lol Great video btw

[@EW1R]

Just pirate it lol

[@tazz1911er]

its a abandonware just go download it

[@NewbombTurk.]

While I admire the massive work put into this video, I can't help but think this should be named "NFS UG/MW Iceberg". No mention of Porsche Unleashed/Porsche 2000 or other earlier games like High Stakes. Also no mention of how Motor City Online was supposed to be tagged as a NFS title, but was changed last minute. No mention of how MCO's final update had both the Mk 4 Supra and the Eclipse added as a "test" of content for the upcoming Underground game. The developers of both of the Shift games coming from the modding community (SimBin became Slightly Mad Studios), who after splitting in half ended up being part of the developers of Project Cars. The other half (Blimey! Games) developing BMW M3 Challenge. There are so many threads left un-pulled.....

[@NFSBeast2365]

Damn! 😵 that’s insane

[@SonicBoone56]

Ikr

[@dtxspeaks268]

I mean they did mention Hot Pursuit 2010, Heat and other post Carbon games. But yeah, I think this iceberg should've included things from the pre Underground games. Hell, there's things from the Underground games that weren't mentioned here (ie the cutscene OSTs).

[@xasumiji]

I remember doing the moon level on NFS Nitro on my DSi. Now knowing that at that time there we're no footage or evidence of this level shocks me! Amazing video!

[@jus1029ph]

If Kuru never became a NFS streamer, he could be a horror commentary channel a la Chills

[@EmpaGalactica]

this video is so well done, the editing and effects are on point. congratulations eden!

[@Healtsome]

You know what else is forgotten? Motor City Online.

[@paulcarmi8130]

Wish I had a computer that was powerful enough back in the day..

[@rotkiW9014]

An explanation to why they removed the antenna on the M3 GTR: unlike most(if not all) of the NFS series cover cars, the M3 GTR is not a regular car just modified, it’s an actual race car built for the ALMS endurance series. As such, the car does not have the antenna, so it was cut from the game. Where the developers actually did the mistake, was in removing the antenna from the street version of the M3 GTR, as it should have it.

[@DoVe_7]

That was preety amazing to watch and learn the amount of hidden or little details there were within each NFS Game, an awesome video well put up though congratz dude

[@alonzoharris7116]

one of my favorite NFS mysteries are the NFS Carbon canyons that were supposed to be in NFS World but never made the cut. They were hinted at and even confirmed yet never made it. Always made me question how those canyon races would play out in an online scenario or if drifting was going to exist. But since World is shut down we will never know.

[@maniakos_]

Well, world is now back online so i would hold that thought for a little while

[@Karol_414]

world is back

[@platiuscyndar9017]

Wait what, world is back!?

[@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious]

Fans have revived it 2 or 3 years after the shutdown

[@gamefreaknitro]

something that has always bothered me: need for speed carbon: own the city on ds had an infinite nitrous cheat that never worked

[@presidentirinavladimirovna7054]

Something for the iceberg: in NFSU2, if your car has lvl3 hydraulics you can bunnyhop using a collision model glitch. Go to one of the metal guardrails in the middle of the highway, press the front of your car against the rail, then spam your hydraulics until your car gets popped straight into the air.

[@EMOSEN]

he finaly remembered his youtube password :D , jokes aside that is a very good video even small jokes are good , such a great work

[@Goodboygamer]

I would like to shed some lights on the cop speeches part from the 350Z missing entry There are 5 other speeches unused in MW2005, those are: -Chrysler -Mini -Opel -A generic sedan and a Pagani which was somehow mixed up with the Volkswagen cop speeches There were 3 more but none of them have ever been recorded leaving the dispatcher tongue-tied when assigning those missing speeches to any car in the game

[@krlos_amg]

Oh man, what a video!!! You took me like 6 years in the past when I was REALLY deep inside with this stuff, awesome work!

[@X33Ultras0und]

If you've listened to the helicopter voice lines, one of the voice lines goes something like "suspect is entering a no fly zone... Yeah by the airport" - which in turn will cause the helicopter to be forced to break visual contact with you. Also, there are voice lines and the player hitting the helicopter and causing it to say something like "we have been hit" and "dispatch are you reading this, we have just collided with the suspect vehicle". Furthermore, there a voice lines of the helicopter saying that the suspect has entered the Hospital and the Hotel And finally, if you noticed, in the final game, spikes are always either on the left or in the middle of the road. (excluding the roadblock that has spikes on both sides of the road but not the centre) however, there are voice lines that say that the spikes are specifically on the right, not by the helicopter, but by the units that call out about them.

[@atastydonut]

I've rammed or rammed by the chopper a handful of time in the span of like, 15 years?(most cases happened on the highway between the stadium and the split tunnels near Rosewood, going uphill at high speed) I think those lines do get played if that happens but I could be wrong

[@deathaero9149]

We just collided with suspect vehicle is used, but apparently it was given the wrong trigger for some reason, but ultimately was still used

[@TigerChamp99]

This video was definitely worth the wait. Keep up the good work!

[@WrenFJ]

Wow! I used to be a MW modder and this brought me right back to ~2015. If you ever make a sequel or you're just bored, here are some other things you can research: - GTRCars Forums - BMW M3 GTR's yellow headlights - UG2/MW debug menus - MW 1.4 Community Patch - Cancelled spinner rims in MW - Arushan's disappearance - MW traffic vehicles that appear only in certain scenes (ambulance/SUV etc) I can go into more detail about these if you want, so let me know if you'd like me to share!

[@ronnie3626]

Sure we would like to know more interesting things like this! Do you also know something about Underground 1/2?

[@WrenFJ]

@@ronnie3626 Not a huge amount about UG/2, unfortunately :( I only really worked on MW stuff.

[@mullittmustang256]

RIP Brad Lawless, no kid deserves to die that young from an illness. Hope his dad knew his kid was looking down on him proud of what his dad did for work ❤️

[@CaptPatrick01]

I remember screaming cops in Need For Speed III Hot Pursuit and High Stakes, but not in Most Wanted...

[@ZaThrint]

It's possible that people's memories mix the games up since that can happen pretty easily with things

[@NeoGraena]

got this recommended. i am prepared for the iceberg Eden.

[@BLLACKSTTAR]

Eden, I would like to say thanks. I remembered playing a rally game when I was really little which was free in a cereal box. I couldn't remember the title, until now. It was NFS V Rally 2.

[@SkyeArrow222]

Great video. What a talented creator to be able to make these type of videos, your usual content and make mods for the games you love. Awesome job.

[@d.a.t.a771]

What I was waiting for, and such high quality too omg

[@SSCEurobeat]

I kinda wish that you would have included the legendary Cheatby999. The guy who has done some incredible stuff that to this day hasn't yet been replicated. I remember following a thread back in the day that delved into this and especially the pilotable police helicopter in mw. If I can recall correctly they talked about needing to have a Chinese copy of the game and a special injector from some Chinese forum. I'm pretty sure that "Most Wanted Terrorism" was done by the same guy or a guy from the same group as Cheatby999

[@Saikocide]

i remember watching nfs theories about the mystery city and palmont being bigger than you think

[@hugwolf9746]

your video transitions to iceberg levels cause goosebumps. so atmospheric.

[@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz5784]

Finally I’ve been looking for this, thank you

[@lordvorax2239]

14:07 It looks like the footage could be for nfs unbound if you see the red trail left behind by the taillight of the car and the smoke animation. Also unbound is by criterion.

[@Anton_3112]

it is like apha footage

[@Kacpa2]

Thanks for including my revival of NFS Theories 😅 I done it in ladt month before shutdown after disagreements with admin of original NFS Theories and transferred people over to new forum with help of several friends :)

[@Vaaeen]

Thanks for making that vid man, keep the good work. I love nfs stuff and i love you and Kuru!

[@alexvelikov5003]

This video is a masterpiece! Thank you so much for the amount of time you spent making it! Amazing work! :)

[@Mooco2]

I'm surprised the cut Hummer from MW2012 that never made it into the console/PC release (but was advertised directly) wasn't part of the iceberg.

[@strahinjastevic7480]

The Jeep cherokee SRT and 2nd gen Cadillac CTS-V too, they only appear in NFS World which is kinda strange since all the cars in world (except them and the BF Heroes trucks) were there becouse of the licences for the mainstream games.

[@friskycalibri2293]

@@strahinjastevic7480 The Cherokee (along with the rest of the scrapped 2012 cars) are part of the mobile version of MW2012. There's also a semblance of characterization of its blacklist. Why EA decided these things should be in the mobile port of all things, I don't know.

[@BlueflagAlpha]

cant believe there is an iceberg for NFS too. Btw ,Most Wanted 2012 would get so much hate if it got remastered

[@bluegaming1013]

I hope that they would change the name of the game to need for speed fairhaven or something like that if they do a remaster (anyway I loved nfs most wanted 2012 )

[@KunaevNS]

Wow this is an amazingly well-made and researched video. Thank you for this quality content.

[@luki_beep3712]

I LOVE that you put shift 2 music in level 7 and 8!

[@spiderboi_29]

im so addicted to nfs mw2005's cut content and seeing an iceberg video of need for speed at all simply made my day. thank you for this video i subscribed

[@silfex8009]

I love the use of Undercovers ambient soundtrack! That's mainly why the game holds such a special place in my heart to this day. As a kid I would play the living hell out of this game and the music is what truly made it special. The atmosphere was also a great addition to the game and just fits so well with the music. Sadly the unpolished handling was present. Oh and don't get me started on the cops, they we're damn rough and especially their "busted scenes".

[@your_ex_stacy]

This was a very interesting watch. Great video!

[@InThaSwayne]

Thanks for making this video :)

[@RealThomasFoolery]

Rog being a rival and helping the the player when they beat him would have been a cool idea. Maybe it could have been a tutorial.

[@TylerMoto]

The part I've always been a part of is the character Ryan cooper and how he was in nfs undercover at the start with the police saying we caught the suspect first name ryan and never seems to take his helmet off and the whole theory that the player character played by you is Ryan cooper

[@danhaa5262]

Loved the video I think I never was so deeply interested in a video, learned a lot as well :D

[@Nai_101]

Amazing video. The music choice really stood out to me

[@Lynxeption]

I loved the video! Glad to be a part of the live audience that saw the research and writing of the script, it turned out as a masterpiece! 💚

[@TigerChamp99]

19:35 No wonder there are so many street racers in Rockport.

[@jorgealain5126]

Oh boy, that soundtrack from nfs undercover in the intro of the video is amazing! Subscribed for that.

[@vahalo2886]

Loved the usage of the Shift 2 menu music at the later sections of the iceberg, always love listening to those remixes

[@sonic_exe2312]

15:35 it doesn't getting cold. It's going "DEEP"

[@VNHeiser1]

As a guy who has only played mw05,underground and world.Most of this is pretty fresh

[@aeonmazer9662]

Another world player!! Miss that game everyday

[@replikaxe1772]

lots of things learned today, i personally thought eagle canyon sign from nfs world was going to be included somewhere, but still a lovely video ! thank you for your hardwork

[@shagirani5518]

This is really well put together video.. Kuddos to you!

[@KubeKubeKubeKubeKube]

I think NFS 2015 actually might’ve been Underground 3. I remember seeing rumors that there would be a 3rd underground way before 2015 came out

[@droopyaguacat3185]

Thats what I'm saying nfs 2015 just screams *soft reboot* of und2. It did lack alot of customization but it also got more if that makes sense. I just hate how nfs forgot about the sculpting from carbon. That feature rn would let us players literally redesign cars. Imagine if a team was able to take bits and pieces from each nfs game to add into the next one. Pursuits from every nfs that had cops, weaponry for cops and drivers from hp2010 and hp2, the nightlife and neon glows of und- und2 including carbon and nfs 2015, customization and parts from every nfs to current. I'd love to see them wide bodykits from und, mw and carbon come back. Very little of what I said can be seen in nfs heat. Problem is that they gave up on it because of ea. FUCK EA

[@catsexe6932]

@@droopyaguacat3185 i mean..nfs 2015 had more realism in costumization

[@WrenFJ]

I believe Speedyheart showed in one of her videos that Carbon was planned to be UG3 at some stage. I think it was a leftover string you could see in the .exe if you opened it in a hex editor.

[@idiot.tezza_]

Funfact: when i play psp nfs shift, the way the debris come out of the sky was smiliarly look like burnout debris. Also, the damage model was uhh... kinda smiliar to burnout dominator

[@NFSF1McLaren]

now that I took time to make this video, it was an exciting watch. nicely done

[@haffidkalaoui5460]

Love how you used the NFS Undercover Soundtracks! Keep Up homie.

[@hawken796]

I remember there being a leaked concept of a game set in post 9/11 NY where you play as terrorists. The concept artwork, a concept video and some plot threads exist. This was conceptualized either post most wanted or during undercover's creation by a small group of devs. As Blackbox used to conceptualize early on because of the hectic schedules, this is extremely possible to have been a grittier undercover or a sequel. The reasons behind cancellation seems to be the obvious moral issues and age rating. I'm also surprised they never mentioned the cut branching narratives that undercover was supposed to have. This has been confirmed and also explains the incohesion of some of the cutscenes in undercover. Great vid man, loved the Undercover and Shift music.

[@abluecar5375]

I think the most obscure thing in the NFS community is the Return to Rockport book novel, that tells the story of Hero whom they named Thomas Spidowski It's a book that's made by a polish man, and apparently he was the one "responsible" for the story for MW and Carbon I'm quite disappointed at this Ice berg, since it doesn't have everything that people didn't know, and most of these that are mentioned are the things that fans already know, unless they are very new to the series

[@kr19]

That was proven to be fake. The book was not made by a man but by a woman, and she wasn't responsible for the story of those games If you really want to know more about this, there is a post about it on a polish NFS site, as well as a thread on NFST forum

[@abluecar5375]

@@kr19 Ah I see

[@Robertfluff]

Finally someone made this I was waiting

[@shagirani5518]

Never knew an hour just passed.. Well done.

[@danericardo6148]

I enjoyed this video, but I'd love to see an iceberg for the NFS series that really represents the whole series

[@santinodelgado281]

50:50 Unrelated to Most Wanted, but in Payback, when the cops are taken out in the modes that allow them, they do have a somewhat pain scream.

[@Jack-Eugen]

Awesome video and when i hear the soundtrakcs from nfs undercover i really miss those songs are really awesome

[@yunez_733]

Sehr krass wieviel ihr an Information über NFS habt und wie umfangreich die reihe ist ich bin auch selbst mit 20 fan seit dem ersten underground und habe es erst angefangen zu spielen als MW rauskam also schon sehr nice wieviel dahinter steckt und jahre nach release dieser spiele es immernoch vieles zu diskutieren gibt