The New BMW M4 is Proof We Are Past Peak BMW M - Can a Manual Gearbox Save it? - Two Takes

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The all-new BMW G80-series M3 and M4 are the fastest, most powerful M3 and M4 ever, with an optional 500-HP tune on the S58 engine in Competition trim. But they are also hideously ugly at every angle, they have become huge, and they have been muted by the electronic gods. BUT, BMW is #savingthemanuals because both the coupe and sedan come with an optional 6-speed manual! Is three pedals enough driving engagement to bring the fun back to the blandest M4 yet? Zack and Matt find out.
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@TheSmokingTire
@TheSmokingTire 3 жыл бұрын
For $100k, would you buy the M4 or the M2 CS?
@bmwpartsfresno9428
@bmwpartsfresno9428 3 жыл бұрын
M4
@js002003
@js002003 3 жыл бұрын
Its not 100K! It's a little over 80K with a decent spec. (albeit if you tick all the boxes you can get to 100) Also some of the prices are off (cooled seats are 300 and carbon 950)... Finally, im going to be on the right side of history on this one - the car is going to go down as passable if not good looking.
@rushgush
@rushgush 3 жыл бұрын
100k would get u a really good used car. like a mercedes amg gt.
@smartyrdumb4681
@smartyrdumb4681 3 жыл бұрын
For 100K I’m importing an E36 M3GT.
@SvenTheSveed
@SvenTheSveed 3 жыл бұрын
A basic Defender 90 and a Volvo V60 P*, should even get change. M cars are for a ‘special’ sort of person.
@KealeyOnCars
@KealeyOnCars 3 жыл бұрын
Other car designers: “We took inspiration from nature for our design.” This car designer, after snorting another massive line of cocaine: “BUGGS FUCKING BUNNY”!
@s.m.2868
@s.m.2868 3 жыл бұрын
Cocaine doesn't make you do things that terrible, it must have been PCP or something like that...
@Daveyboy_GolfR
@Daveyboy_GolfR 3 жыл бұрын
Oh Don't be silly lol... He must have been into cocktails of much harder drugs to come up with the m4's design🥴
@undreal7398
@undreal7398 3 жыл бұрын
Includes Orange leather that looks like a carrot!
@CycoWarriorx
@CycoWarriorx 3 жыл бұрын
@Sean Kealey 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Daveyboy_GolfR
@Daveyboy_GolfR 3 жыл бұрын
@@s.m.2868 Ze Gemanns!!
@jimnguyen444
@jimnguyen444 3 жыл бұрын
I’m so happy there are a few companies that still see some value in making both manual and auto! Got to appreciate that.
@SenszR
@SenszR 3 жыл бұрын
It’s just a maths equation at the end of the day
@OhNotJohnny
@OhNotJohnny 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately it is dying. Not too many buys them new.
@DogtorC
@DogtorC 3 жыл бұрын
they mark up the manual at s.th. special, but its just a basic bmw manual. Now all of the sudden its special.
@gaara4667
@gaara4667 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe buy them whenever a manufacturer makes them and they won’t die out
@bradenmchenry995
@bradenmchenry995 3 жыл бұрын
@@OhNotJohnny 25% of m3/4 are manual
@oliverdavis1910
@oliverdavis1910 3 жыл бұрын
Bold and garish, it draws your attention when it approaches, a testament to the character of its aesthetic, like a Pontiac Aztec.
@jza66
@jza66 3 жыл бұрын
Lol. I’m dying.
@cdpgbc-mw2kz
@cdpgbc-mw2kz 3 жыл бұрын
Oliver Davis: I, among many viewers, had long put to rest the pain of seeing an Aztec. Sigh, thanks for digging up that horrid memory. Decades later, I still shake my head as to who penned it , who approved it, and worst of all, who actually walked in to a dealership and said, " Wow, there she is....my new ride......."
@LaurentiusTriarius
@LaurentiusTriarius 3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually having a case of paradolia now all I can see is the inbred progeniture of a Pontiac Aztec and a 90's Pontiac Grand Prix...
@jamesterakazis6624
@jamesterakazis6624 3 жыл бұрын
HIDEOUS FROM EVERY ANGLE
@Farhankhan-mw4ll
@Farhankhan-mw4ll 3 жыл бұрын
@@cdpgbc-mw2kz lol
@pascutia
@pascutia 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Zack for going more into detail about the steering/shifter feel. That’s what I care about in a car review.
@HelloThere-xx1ct
@HelloThere-xx1ct 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a Q60 banged a Mustang.
@cyrilmatthew2995
@cyrilmatthew2995 3 жыл бұрын
You are a genius bud... 😁
@papa_pt
@papa_pt 3 жыл бұрын
sadly accurate
@jrag1000
@jrag1000 3 жыл бұрын
And out comes a beautiful bounding baby m4
@RCXDerp
@RCXDerp 3 жыл бұрын
@@jrag1000 buck teef and all
@nickp97
@nickp97 3 жыл бұрын
Fr what the fuck did they make?? That side profile 🤮
@BeemerFam
@BeemerFam 3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree M2CS is really a special car
@Blackdawn80
@Blackdawn80 3 жыл бұрын
The M2CS is currently the ultimate BMW. The rest of the M line just looks terrible.
@placeholdername3206
@placeholdername3206 3 жыл бұрын
I'm diehard into anything BMW from the 80's and 90's. I've driven my collegues M2 many times. To be honest, I am not that impressed. The M2 was supposed to be this throwback to the size and feel of cars like the E36 M3 and E46 M3. You still feel really disconnected to the road. Still feels like you are floating. Dont getm e wrong, its a great car, It just doesn't make me feel like i'm in a sports car. I'm not sure anything modern will, to be honest unless we are talking super cars.
@abhinav6476
@abhinav6476 3 жыл бұрын
@@placeholdername3206 after e90 series its all felt off
@charlesespinoza9961
@charlesespinoza9961 3 жыл бұрын
@@abhinav6476 a bit yeah. It's like they took a page out of Mercedes play book, they went more refined and tech rather than performance.
@placeholdername3206
@placeholdername3206 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlesespinoza9961 To be honest, that happened already with the E46 and E39. They became luxury cars first, and sport sedans second instead of the other way around.
@ThatRosco458
@ThatRosco458 3 жыл бұрын
If only BMW made this car not ugly and $20k cheaper. *M2 Comp enters the chat*
@trevorphillips3922
@trevorphillips3922 3 жыл бұрын
Except the M2 Comp is worse in virtually every single objective way aside from subjective feelings about appearance and driving enjoyment...
@AkinaGhost
@AkinaGhost 3 жыл бұрын
@@trevorphillips3922 Being better is also subjective, better at what exactly? If you're daily driving them the M4 would be better - more spacious and comfortable - but by the same token a non-M version would be even better - and let's face it, a large percentage of M cars rarely get used as intended and are mostly for showing off purposes. Even when comparing them as performance cars the vast majority of people aren't that good as drivers that they can objectively say one is better that the other outside of quoting figures and repeating what they read in reviews.
@MultiBluedog123
@MultiBluedog123 3 жыл бұрын
@@AkinaGhost 100% bro u said it right.
@theraggededgeonboardfastes8461
@theraggededgeonboardfastes8461 3 жыл бұрын
This car is at least 10 seconds faster if not more on the Nordschleife than an m2. BMW have been trying like hell to recreate the dynamics of the E46 for a long time now and failed. This car hits the bulls-eye after 15 years. The numbers are meaningless they're going after a feeling here. Wait till they probe its lift characteristics.
@yummyhershey5902
@yummyhershey5902 3 жыл бұрын
@@AkinaGhost no. Being better is not always subjective. There are objective qualities about cars that make some objectively better than others. That doesn’t mean no one should choose that option, because they may like it more.
@zemekiel
@zemekiel 3 жыл бұрын
That front design will scare every child in a mile radius. It's so fugly, they couldn't make it any worse even if they tried!
@ddmegadoodoo892
@ddmegadoodoo892 3 жыл бұрын
*The bmw i4 has entered the chat.
@zemekiel
@zemekiel 3 жыл бұрын
@@ddmegadoodoo892 What is that, an appliance on 4 wheels?
@stevem8112
@stevem8112 3 жыл бұрын
Supra has entered the chat
@johnnyboy1586
@johnnyboy1586 3 жыл бұрын
I agree but in different colours particularly satin black it looks waaay better
@johnnyboy1586
@johnnyboy1586 3 жыл бұрын
That engine sounds soo good
@fabricio5021
@fabricio5021 3 жыл бұрын
Despite how good it may drive, I could never get myself to buy a car that I wouldn’t want to look at.
@willkaufman8208
@willkaufman8208 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was really bad when first released photos but I have definitely gotten used to it and tbh the grill isn’t any bigger than every single other company’s
@ABoringTool
@ABoringTool 3 жыл бұрын
I think you're wrong. I would drive a multipla if it drove like a mclaren F1. Not to say that the M4 drives well enough to offset the looks. If I wanted a fast twin turbo V6 I would get a GTR
@papa_pt
@papa_pt 3 жыл бұрын
@@allen624 yeah except this grill doesn't mesh with the rest of the front of the car. Dumb character line along side. No Hoffmeister Kink. M3 isn't as bad as this M4
@jbdoingjbstuff
@jbdoingjbstuff 3 жыл бұрын
@@ABoringTool or a 997 turbo. Can get an awesome example with a stick with lowish miles for this. And they are just getting up and up in value now.
@TheMxboy199
@TheMxboy199 3 жыл бұрын
@@allen624 the difference is other brands know how to have a big grill and make it look good. Luexu’s front ends have been great for years. Bmws only look good on suvs not on the sedans
@maxxedredlineproductions
@maxxedredlineproductions 3 жыл бұрын
Save the manuals!
@MrTuttleboy
@MrTuttleboy 3 жыл бұрын
Meh
@BlakesGarage
@BlakesGarage 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I’m more about save the DCT with this car. Yeah manual save it also, but the fact that BMW went torque converter shows that they don’t care about ///M anymore. You don’t see Porsche saying maybe we should get rid of the PDK.
@OhNotJohnny
@OhNotJohnny 3 жыл бұрын
Want to save it? Buy them.
@abracing199
@abracing199 3 жыл бұрын
Then buy the manuals!
@mattmartini836
@mattmartini836 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlakesGarage I think you'll find that torque converters will eventually overtake and probably become better than DCT, they are pretty close to the same speed in shifts anyways
@Daveyboy_GolfR
@Daveyboy_GolfR 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible how the lack of a simple Hofmeister Kink and a lost shoulder line, transforms what could have been a design that really grows on you (as the g80 m3 has), into this Frankenmustang monstrosity.
@Japplesnap
@Japplesnap 3 жыл бұрын
There's absolutely nothing Mustang about it. In comparison, the Mustang is a beauty queen.
@Slimecrazy234
@Slimecrazy234 3 жыл бұрын
Theyve abandoned BMWness in their design and now have this generic ugly hodgepodge of a thing.
@machtschnell7452
@machtschnell7452 3 жыл бұрын
And everyone kind of misses the two fake 1964 Corvette C2 hood vents in the hood. Just a pathetic styling fail even worse than the nostrils..
@nerowolf8006
@nerowolf8006 3 жыл бұрын
dont forget those monstrosities of side mirrors
@TheSmokingTirePodcast
@TheSmokingTirePodcast 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think the Hofmeister kink would have saved it. - Zack
@lolatu4402
@lolatu4402 3 жыл бұрын
“You can see the ewww” 😂😭
@Nanorisk
@Nanorisk 3 жыл бұрын
It looks like a mustang from the side.
@ohpotatoesandmolasses
@ohpotatoesandmolasses 3 жыл бұрын
All I see is German Kia Stinger.
@jrag1000
@jrag1000 3 жыл бұрын
It really does
@rafapozzan
@rafapozzan 3 жыл бұрын
I see Accord coupe
@RCXDerp
@RCXDerp 3 жыл бұрын
But it doesn't get the best part of the 350, I love that front end.
@reneortega5248
@reneortega5248 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Kinda like a Korean mustang...before they figured out car styling.
@MrWhitePerson
@MrWhitePerson 3 жыл бұрын
"a well placed knob is perfect and should never be removed(...)" - Matt Farah 2021
@robertpawley5715
@robertpawley5715 3 ай бұрын
And he likes to be touched…
@paul_howey
@paul_howey 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you guys are being honest about the looks... Other reviewers are talking about how a "front plate helps" and don't seem to want to bash the design for fear of angering BMW... If the car looks better with a front plate... you know it's bad.
@golfbuddy1969
@golfbuddy1969 3 жыл бұрын
they are giving their opinion...honesty has nothing to do with it. Honesty involves objectivity...but looks are subjective.
@paul_howey
@paul_howey 3 жыл бұрын
@@golfbuddy1969 that’s exactly what I’m saying. They are giving their honest opinion when other reviewers are clearly holding back... it’s nice to see an unfiltered opinion from them.
@golfbuddy1969
@golfbuddy1969 3 жыл бұрын
@@paul_howey okay I gotcha...but I actually like the M3 version of this car much better.
@daytonars5
@daytonars5 3 жыл бұрын
@@paul_howey other people don’t have the same opinion as me so are therefore wrong. Lol ok.
@jimf5160
@jimf5160 3 жыл бұрын
It would have to be front plate the size of a highway sign...
@MCNeurotiK
@MCNeurotiK 3 жыл бұрын
"Just stretch a Mustang a bit and add the ugliest grill ever made." - A BMW designer, probably
@qim_
@qim_ 3 жыл бұрын
Probably,
@dennismichealsm3786
@dennismichealsm3786 3 жыл бұрын
Yep
@BeyondLumination
@BeyondLumination 3 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what I saw
@boost3d831
@boost3d831 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah from the side the silhouette really looks like a Mustang
@paulsz6194
@paulsz6194 3 жыл бұрын
Boost3D Deutsche Müstang... LoL
@ronin84
@ronin84 3 жыл бұрын
The more reviews of this thing I watch, the better I feel about my decision to buy an M2C last year.
@vafan13
@vafan13 3 жыл бұрын
M2 CS is absolutely the better choice. Congratulations!
@jasonstewart9673
@jasonstewart9673 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent choice, how have you liked it so far?
@MrBirgerB
@MrBirgerB 3 жыл бұрын
It all depends. M2 for track, this for road trips.
@blitzy3244
@blitzy3244 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrBirgerB meh if you are focused on road trips why buy an M car. I'm sure the M2 is perfectly fine on a long drive, cabin space doesn't really matter if you are the only one in the car.
@kuervers03
@kuervers03 3 жыл бұрын
@@vafan13 tune camber plates and sticky tires is alot cheaper than CS price premium
@Briggsian
@Briggsian 3 жыл бұрын
The amount of times they mentioned the Mustang GT kinda speaks volumes
@MultiBluedog123
@MultiBluedog123 3 жыл бұрын
Which is hilarious lmao
@ParagMathurmd
@ParagMathurmd 3 жыл бұрын
Good point. They aren't thinking "stepping stone to 911." They are thinking "expensive mustang."
@Partylizard1
@Partylizard1 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a big bimmer guy but I’d take a performance pack 5.0 over a G80 all day
@jlopez1017d
@jlopez1017d 3 жыл бұрын
@@Partylizard1 id rather get a used gt350 than this crap
@jlopez1017d
@jlopez1017d 3 жыл бұрын
Just look at what cars they compre this too. A mustang and a civic type R. All those cars are good cars especially for the price. This car isn’t anything special for the price. BMW really dropped the ball with this new m3/m4
@xkc9689
@xkc9689 3 жыл бұрын
Buying this is rewarding it’s heinous design, never ever. Hope this is the 996 of BMWs, tho tbh I’d prefer any 996 to this
@jbdoingjbstuff
@jbdoingjbstuff 3 жыл бұрын
Dude. You can get a nice low to medium mileage 997 turbo with a manual for this price.
@moorees335
@moorees335 3 жыл бұрын
Strictly speaking 996, I for whatever reason like the original headlight design with the orange marker versus the clear eggs of later...but of course not my favorite design language. This G series is hideous and would not reward this behavior if I could afford it.
@arr0gant1
@arr0gant1 3 жыл бұрын
@@jbdoingjbstuff great point and in 10 years this will be worth $20k and the 997 Turbo will be $100k
@gaara4667
@gaara4667 3 жыл бұрын
996 wasn’t ugly tho
@arr0gant1
@arr0gant1 3 жыл бұрын
@@gaara4667 right, that's why they will never make that design again
@mats7984
@mats7984 3 жыл бұрын
The new Hyundai m4 looks pretty wild in white with THOSE nostrils
@ervin7178
@ervin7178 3 жыл бұрын
Needs a big ol genesis grill
@aftastosk6016
@aftastosk6016 3 жыл бұрын
Hyundais are better looking
@stevem2323
@stevem2323 3 жыл бұрын
@@aftastosk6016 Naah it's not.
@tehbrutenextdoor
@tehbrutenextdoor 3 жыл бұрын
This car in crazy bold colors looks alright, but it is far from elegant. You have to COMMIT to the ugly by going all in.
@liamgray6559
@liamgray6559 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha, "commit to the ugly"
@givemeajackson
@givemeajackson 3 жыл бұрын
Hot pink with waifu stickers so the grill isn't the worst thing about it anymore?
@killhour
@killhour 3 жыл бұрын
"Oh yes, please touch me. It's begging you to come." Well, we know how Matt feels about the Civic.
@A_guan
@A_guan 3 жыл бұрын
I was about to comment this 😂
@Chris-hw4mq
@Chris-hw4mq 3 жыл бұрын
@@fp5495 type R looks like it should. Its a hatchback
@vomErsten
@vomErsten 3 жыл бұрын
@@fp5495 Still looks better than the BMW since its design is coherent.
@az.................
@az................. 3 жыл бұрын
Well there's the Miata shifter, nearly any Honda shifter and then there's everything else. BMW's shifters have always been good but not exceptional - look at Harry's recent E46 M3 CSL review. My Honda's an auto and BMW's a stick so what do I know.
@placeholdername3206
@placeholdername3206 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chris-hw4mq Definetly not. A Golf R looks like a hatchback should. Civic Type R looks like an 18 year olds wet dream. All sorts of spoilers and scoops and splitters. It's little boy looks for big boy money. Doesn't make sense.
@FreshlySnipes
@FreshlySnipes 2 жыл бұрын
Im placing my order for the G80 this week. Can’t wait! Yes, the front end isn’t my favorite but it’s growing on me (in the right color) and this will probably be the last affordable manual sports car with a powerful engine… get ‘em while you can! Bet the next M3 will follow the C63 AMG with a small engine hybrid.
@Top_g80comp
@Top_g80comp Жыл бұрын
I ordered my g80 in IOMG can’t wait to get , yes I have to admit that the front end looked very weird to me when first introduced, but boy in the flesh looks so freaking good and you know it’s an M car from far , so front grill isn’t bad looking at all . Can’t wait to get mine 💯🤘🏻💚
@octav7438
@octav7438 7 ай бұрын
over a year later I like the new m3 frontend over f80... I know.. its crazy... but the f80 looks outdated now and I actually think the g80 is a step in the right direction. We're just used to F80 and will take some time getting used to a new bmw. Like e39 -> e60.
@gustavofigueiredo1798
@gustavofigueiredo1798 3 жыл бұрын
Funny how you guys mentioned the Civic Type R. It doesn't look so bad next to this.
@elusivellama
@elusivellama 3 жыл бұрын
Civic Type-R looks a hundred times better. It looks like it was meant to look - a hyper Civic, a Gundam in car form. This M4 looks like a pig 🐷
@bokiNYC
@bokiNYC 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@jimmyneutron5679
@jimmyneutron5679 3 жыл бұрын
@@elusivellama yikes
@placeholdername3206
@placeholdername3206 3 жыл бұрын
@@elusivellama You just explained perfectly what is wrong with the Type R. It looks like an 18 year olds wet dream, yet it's big boy money.
@RCXDerp
@RCXDerp 3 жыл бұрын
@@placeholdername3206 40k is not big boy money I mean look at the STI. I think the civic looks better than the subie. My GT350 was 52k and I don't consider that big boy money.
@lousogoodx
@lousogoodx 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the 1st gear ratio! 35 mph top speed in first gear is perfect! THANK YOU BMW!!! We don't need 45 55 or 65 in first gear. It's not a track only car. We want the shift that gear box And 25-40 mph increments is perfect.
@Bupkus68
@Bupkus68 22 сағат бұрын
Helps with clutch life as well, not needing to slip as much as say in the Cayman when first is waaaayyy too tall.
@Montster131
@Montster131 3 жыл бұрын
Actually saddens me how badly BMW butchered my favorite car
@pontiacGXPfan
@pontiacGXPfan 3 жыл бұрын
Look what all they did to the M5. It's fat and dull like a normal 5 series and sounds like ass
@peterhammer4644
@peterhammer4644 2 жыл бұрын
Its by far the fastest M3/M4 ever made, first time in 911 2S territory in same generation. Its freaking fast and has a great drive. Butchered....dont think so....
@stevemiller1626
@stevemiller1626 2 жыл бұрын
“They massacred my boy”
@stevemiller1626
@stevemiller1626 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterhammer4644 the new M’s are extremely capable but I’d be way happier in a Giulia Quad.
@peterhammer4644
@peterhammer4644 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevemiller1626 then you just buy one! For you the best solution. Myself would not want a car with that interior and all the time being scared if something brakes.....
@TazawaTanks
@TazawaTanks 3 жыл бұрын
Looking at the size and styling of the new M3/M4 makes me happy...that I still have my E92 M3! 😝
@mushy1983123
@mushy1983123 3 жыл бұрын
E92 m3 sound nice but there slow
@TazawaTanks
@TazawaTanks 3 жыл бұрын
@@mushy1983123 Not as fast as some other cars, but plenty fast for a good looking sports coupe that sounds amazing. If I were building a track car, I’d choose a different platform. However, as my fun weekend car that I can enjoy on public roads, it’s just fine.👌🏾
@mushy1983123
@mushy1983123 3 жыл бұрын
@@TazawaTanks yes it is good looking and one of the best sounding V8s out there only thing I don't like about them is they need more power cause it will struggle to beat a tuned gti golf add a supercharger or turbo would then make it move
@RCXDerp
@RCXDerp 3 жыл бұрын
@@mushy1983123 Who gives a shit about stop light racing a golf. My GT350 gets walked by Teslas and I don't give af.
@mushy1983123
@mushy1983123 3 жыл бұрын
@@RCXDerp lol well even from a roll most like a tuned golf would still beat the old m3 lol
@kurttennant7747
@kurttennant7747 2 жыл бұрын
I kind of appreciate they've been using the same exact shift knob in M cars for 20 years now. Really helps parts availability
@Daveyboy_GolfR
@Daveyboy_GolfR 3 жыл бұрын
Matt nodding in agreement yet thinks 💭 "Hey this is my show pal, I can handle the exposition"
@dericanslum1696
@dericanslum1696 3 жыл бұрын
...been very awkward lately...Matts patience and modesty in short supply...
@akaJRob
@akaJRob 3 жыл бұрын
What’s good y’all I don’t watch tst that often but this man in the orange jacket is very good at explaining things alongside Matt I like this duo reviewing a car together
@mustafaayata2419
@mustafaayata2419 3 жыл бұрын
2:36 a wild Matt in the bushes, committing to his content quietly.
@nightkidsgolden582
@nightkidsgolden582 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 1 mil subscribers you guys deserve it!!
@pabauza
@pabauza 3 жыл бұрын
3850 lb, yes M is bloated and over the hill. I remember when the E46 was thought to be too heavy.
@williamk1800
@williamk1800 3 жыл бұрын
Love the comparisons to the Civic Type R, specifically regarding steering and road feel, and shifter feel. Highlights what an incredible job Honda has done with that car, and I look forward to the next gen one, hopefully with a rowdy "fun" exhaust mode, and customizable driving parameters. As for the Bimmers, I too would choose the M2 CS over this M3/M4 in a heartbeat, and pocket the ~$20,000 change.
@benhogervorst
@benhogervorst 3 жыл бұрын
I notice the small additions of more cinematic shots and some clipping for gaps in the video. I think it draws a very nice line between keeping the spirit of the One Take and modernizing. Also really enjoying the Matt/Zack combo reviews. Keep up the good work guys!
@DougisFresh999
@DougisFresh999 3 жыл бұрын
You guys definitely got the coolest/unique press car of the auto youtubers, manual m4 with ceramics and the color combo 🔥
@omarl7002
@omarl7002 3 жыл бұрын
Whomever designed those hideous grills should never design a car again
@willkaufman8208
@willkaufman8208 3 жыл бұрын
They said their goal was not to make everyone happy. They said only 1/6 people like the look. I think it is going to grow on people and they will continue to make that grill
@1xx1NINJAxx1
@1xx1NINJAxx1 3 жыл бұрын
@@willkaufman8208 after spending 1 hour with the car more like 5/6 people like looks at the others are just brainwashed bandwagon influencer listening rat racers ohh my favorite youtubers said it's ugly so it must be ugly if that same youtubers said your girlfriend/ wife is ugly they would probably believe that too LMAO
@AkinaGhost
@AkinaGhost 3 жыл бұрын
@@1xx1NINJAxx1 Lol...could say the same about you. Who brainwashed you into thinking this looks good?
@del7723
@del7723 3 жыл бұрын
@@1xx1NINJAxx1 were you born blind?
@2jsanc681
@2jsanc681 3 жыл бұрын
@@1xx1NINJAxx1 No.... its just fugly
@icydelight3693
@icydelight3693 3 жыл бұрын
I love this car actually, I think it's the peak of M cars... Comfortable and spacious enough, fast enough to give a 992 Carrera S a run for its money both on a track and on a straight line, despite being much less expensive. It's good to drive, it has good quality interiors, good infotainment, good safety features... It can also be used as an AWD so it has good traction everywhere. It's a wonderful all-rounder, nearly perfect. The design is polarizing but I don't mind it honestly. Besides, I value content more than looks. I don't care if it's automatic or manual, turbo or NA, it's a great sportcar and a most importantly a great all-rounder, possibly the best one in the market. The direct rivals are the the RS5 and the c63 AMG but none of them have the same performances of the BMW. The cars that rival the BMW in performances are in the league of the Aston Martin Vantage or the 992 Carrera S, but they cost a lot more and they're less usable for daily driving, less spacious, less versatile...
@XR4turbo
@XR4turbo 3 жыл бұрын
Thumbnails are looking good. Clear distinct typeface, TST logo, consistency. Nice. At least on my setup, the white border on the thumbnail is a bit thin. The one you did for the Mazda3 seems to be the right thickness.
@eddstarr2185
@eddstarr2185 3 жыл бұрын
The Smoking Tire - let me take a moment to praise TST for the shear beauty of its videography. In any kind of weather, any time of day, each road review is stunning to look at. Other car channels wish they looked as good as TST, and so do I 😊 Kudos for doing your best to make the BMW M4 look good - keep the manual gearbox, refresh the exterior design. BMW, ya hear me?
@MlKEnIKEGaming
@MlKEnIKEGaming 3 жыл бұрын
Loving the two takes
@jackwilson8651
@jackwilson8651 3 жыл бұрын
Putting aside how the design dept approved this, what I love is it appears to be a drivers car. It’s got the right sound, power and is still a manual. As ugly as it is, I’ll take this over an EV all day, every day
@josephregan1007
@josephregan1007 3 жыл бұрын
Zach's comment about the shifter is so spot on. Keeping in mind economies of scale, I have an 11 e90 335 w a UUC short shift and the very first thing I noticed was the 'thunk' at the end of the throw. Coming from 2 civics, which were about 20 model years apart (01 and then 18) - I couldn't keep my hands off the shifter. I was downshifting every little corner, in a way I don't do w the 335. Good shit TST, goooood shiiiiit.
@basithph8958
@basithph8958 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that the new M3 and M4 still have a manual transmission is a big thing that’s more important than the grille itself
@mnoovurvi
@mnoovurvi 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, everyone is moaning how "manuals are dying" and when they are the only brand in it's class still making them no one cares and moans about a fucking grille... Are you car guys or fashion designers ?
@basithph8958
@basithph8958 3 жыл бұрын
@@mnoovurvi lol I'm going to be honest the grille isn't that bad as the grille on the new 4-Series or even the 7-Series Though the M3 looks better imo
@mnoovurvi
@mnoovurvi 3 жыл бұрын
@@basithph8958 The regular 4 series is much worse, yes. The M3/4 in dark colours are not bad I also like the 7. The 3 series G20 looks the best. M340i in dark blue or black 👌👌👌
@basithph8958
@basithph8958 3 жыл бұрын
@@mnoovurvi yeah but the grille on the 7-series just looks so out of proportion it sticks above the hood
@rblbatb
@rblbatb 3 жыл бұрын
I think it would look better in black. It would make the grill more subtle.
@tumsfestival8027
@tumsfestival8027 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think theres anything you can do to make this thing subtle.
@RealOrbit-Australia
@RealOrbit-Australia 3 жыл бұрын
In black and dark grey they look pretty good
@sirfriendzone1228
@sirfriendzone1228 3 жыл бұрын
The dark blue as well.
@farhankazi9344
@farhankazi9344 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see Matt/Zack get back into an e46 m3 and compare the driving experience between the two cars.
@evanwheeler7687
@evanwheeler7687 3 жыл бұрын
One of the more recent videos on the channel is of them driving Zach's old M3 with the new European tires on it. They go into driving dynamics there. Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmi6aqqkn9Bmh80
@machtschnell7452
@machtschnell7452 3 жыл бұрын
@@evanwheeler7687 Yeah, but Vredsteins? Passenger car tires.
@Pyotr_Velikiy
@Pyotr_Velikiy 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing out the blinker Matt :-)
@imSchwaggy
@imSchwaggy 3 жыл бұрын
I saw a pic of one with the "old" kit on it. Looked SO GOOOOOD.
@chrislundin2943
@chrislundin2943 3 жыл бұрын
I like the dimension quiz game. Do it more often.
@sunnyvalentino
@sunnyvalentino 3 жыл бұрын
That IS500F and CT5V Black Wing is looking awfully tasty right now. If leasing Guilia Quad as well.
@X11CHASE
@X11CHASE 2 жыл бұрын
Guilia Quad is the most exotic, the IS500F is the most novel in this era, and still luxurious, the CT5V is on a whole other level of awesome, underrated car as far as mainstream understanding goes
@raminfarjoudi
@raminfarjoudi 3 жыл бұрын
love this review thanks a lot
@tomasvelasquezvelez3050
@tomasvelasquezvelez3050 3 жыл бұрын
matt killing it lately, that weird mclaren, the podcast with Fenske was pure gold, and the one with Jenson button, pure gold. keep it up mate
@stenciljunkie
@stenciljunkie 3 жыл бұрын
And the Bugatti Chiron!
@davidclack1569
@davidclack1569 3 жыл бұрын
Love how at 12:36 Matt’s talking about scrolling through radio stations as he’s listening to butthole surfers 😂
@kennyphun1946
@kennyphun1946 3 жыл бұрын
Im gonna start after market grills for these cars, I’ll be rich lol. I’m sure aftermarket companies already making them
@Japplesnap
@Japplesnap 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, there are already several good designs out there.
@ViceCityNightcrawler
@ViceCityNightcrawler 3 жыл бұрын
The interior is so clean and the rims are so hard. 2:36 But the random guy sticking out the ground has me dead lol
@joearnold1843
@joearnold1843 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent content on an excellent vehicle Matt.
@simonrichards5430
@simonrichards5430 3 жыл бұрын
“Look at me!” ~ Matt. “Can I be in the picture?” ~ Zack
@FunTimeStudios82
@FunTimeStudios82 3 жыл бұрын
I think I’ll keep my e92 ///M3 and not worry about getting a newer one ☺️🙏🏻
@jasonstewart9673
@jasonstewart9673 3 жыл бұрын
How has the maintenance been? I’m starting to consider buying one
@tedigjoleka8420
@tedigjoleka8420 3 жыл бұрын
last true 'timeless' bmw design!
@FunTimeStudios82
@FunTimeStudios82 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonstewart9673 car has 50K miles and has been great. No expensive repair bills. Even if the maintenance is more than a VW, the ownership experience makes it worth it.
@jasonstewart9673
@jasonstewart9673 3 жыл бұрын
@@FunTimeStudios82 thats good to hear, looking for a dct with around 70-80k just a bit hesitant to pull the trigger
@davidd4531
@davidd4531 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonstewart9673 105,000 miles here. No issues so far. As preventive maintenance, replaced factory rod bearings at 100k and were in good condition still. Throttle actuators replaced by previous owner with now lifetime warranty. Still feels tight when driving and as new inside. Pull the trigger, you won’t regret it. PS: there is one E93 M3 for sale in the UK with 260,000 miles... they are reliable.
@coreyclark4190
@coreyclark4190 3 жыл бұрын
Getting an m3 competition with the auto anytime soon? Be awesome to see you drive that one. Nice video as always 👌
@JordanPayneLV
@JordanPayneLV 3 жыл бұрын
“THAT was an enormous number haha!” Got me laughin
@benjaminstuart8626
@benjaminstuart8626 3 жыл бұрын
Who's the guy in the orange shirt hiding back there haha
@eddiefara
@eddiefara 3 жыл бұрын
the interior is hot but that’s about it, definitely past peak ///M also I’m a huge fan of two takes as you already know you two work well together
@andreajackson2925
@andreajackson2925 2 жыл бұрын
Love the grill but the sides need more aggressiveness added....love the manual shift! Great review
@jamviator
@jamviator 3 жыл бұрын
The new gesture control actually works pretty well. Matt Watson hated it too until he got the M850i on a long term lease. He said he found himself using it to adjust the volume all the time and that he loves it now.
@bearrett50kal17
@bearrett50kal17 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who's daily driven a manual sports car I like a short first gear for traffic, it lets you roll at low speeds in gear so you don't need as much clutch work in traffic.
@arthurx333
@arthurx333 3 жыл бұрын
Not only that but perhaps more importantly, you buy a manual to shift because its enjoyable. The new mustang for example hits 50+ mph in first gear, you are not able to have any fun on public roads, because 2nd gear will pass any speed limit.
@FrenchAmericanTravel
@FrenchAmericanTravel 3 жыл бұрын
​@@arthurx333 I had two 5.0s (PP) with the 3.73 gears, making it so that I had to shift two-three times before I reached 60 mph (riiiiiight at the end of 2nd). My HCI C6 Z06 and C7 Z06 hit 60-ish mph in 1st gear. I have way more fun in those cars than I ever did in my 5.0s (even though I still had plenty of fun in them), despite driving them on public roads (with the occasional canyon carving). And trust me, I still do plenty of shifting around town, so the joy of it is still there. That said, less powerful cars may be more fun with shorter gears, as they trick you into thinking you're driving a "fast car" due to the fast revs. You can still have plenty of fun with longer gears if used with the right car.
@arthurx333
@arthurx333 3 жыл бұрын
@@FrenchAmericanTravel If you have no problem breaking the speed limit every time you want to have fun then i suppose you are right. Not for everyone though. Points on your license and high insurance are not everyone cup of tea surely you can understand. Eventually your luck will run out if you do it everyday.
@FrenchAmericanTravel
@FrenchAmericanTravel 3 жыл бұрын
@@arthurx333 I can assure you that the vast majority of owners who own/drive cars like these (or more powerful) break the speed limit at least once on a daily basis. Do you think Matt and Zack were obeying the posted limits in the video above? It's all about finding a right place, at the right time, and not being a moron (aka speeding through a neighborhood/traffic/known ticket hot spots, etc...) It seems like you'd be better off in a Miata/BRZ/FRS, where you can row gears all day long, yet still be incredibly slow. Short gears in high horsepower cars = spin city. It's the same argument as those that say "oh, 300hp-400hp is enough for me, as it's already too much power for the streets!"
@arthurx333
@arthurx333 3 жыл бұрын
@@FrenchAmericanTravel With age comes wisdom for the ones with a brain.
@aowen1079
@aowen1079 3 жыл бұрын
I love the new M3 sedan, even with the new grill. I saw one at a launch and it was kitted out in Brooklyn grey and it looked very good.
@Daveyboy_GolfR
@Daveyboy_GolfR 3 жыл бұрын
I agree 💯. At first I was all bout the Frozen gray/blue, but when I got a good look at that Brooklyn Gray and how well it contrasts with the carbon rear diffuser/side skirts /front lip & roof I loved it. There are so many details on the car that get lost on dark colors (however I don't like white) so yessir, Brooklyn gray looks insane on the M3. PS I hate the m4 (mustang) like poison LOL.
@dedelabinouze5110
@dedelabinouze5110 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah i heard some people love Marmite too, there's some weird ones out there haha
@Top_g80comp
@Top_g80comp Жыл бұрын
I love the grill can’t wait to get my IOMG M3 💯🤘🏻💚
@Just_Joe71
@Just_Joe71 3 жыл бұрын
When you're testing a M4 on summer tires and pass a snowplow👀😳❄️
@clutchcarabelli8054
@clutchcarabelli8054 3 жыл бұрын
Damn... That first shot is like when that one guy walks in the bar like YEAH this is my girl what?!?!
@Userh211
@Userh211 3 жыл бұрын
This literally looks nothing like a bmw . Nothing flows together and everything looks too Japanese. God BMW, how do you mess up this bad
@1xx1NINJAxx1
@1xx1NINJAxx1 3 жыл бұрын
Another bandwagoner news flash more people like it than dislike it yeh if u just at grill and walk away sure but after you spend an hour looking the WHOLE CAR you'll see it's not ugly at all stop listening to influencers
@ogmechsftw
@ogmechsftw 3 жыл бұрын
imagine using Japanese as an insult. Uncultured detected :D
@fifteen8850
@fifteen8850 3 жыл бұрын
Wat
@Userh211
@Userh211 3 жыл бұрын
@@ogmechsftw not using it as an insult, saying that this doesn't look like a true bmw. looks more like a lexus
@ai00436
@ai00436 3 жыл бұрын
@@Userh211 yeah it really does look like a Lexus, which doesn't look bad at all, but the old BMW look was good too ;-;
@joaoreis1079
@joaoreis1079 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a very very good video and car test!! Totally agree with everything you’ve said, specially the knob thing 😂😂 there’s no replacement for the good old knob
@Top_g80comp
@Top_g80comp Жыл бұрын
It’s the same knob for the past 50 years 😂
@bradmarcus6608
@bradmarcus6608 3 жыл бұрын
THis makes my 2012 M3 even more valuable to me and a lot of future collectors.
@bulversteher
@bulversteher 3 жыл бұрын
I truly hope we're going to be past peak BMW kidney grille after this one.
@sambower5544
@sambower5544 3 жыл бұрын
Wait, what is Matt referring to with the E90 comment? The heavy V8?
@NoNamesLeft388
@NoNamesLeft388 3 жыл бұрын
Probably
@greatcolor
@greatcolor 3 жыл бұрын
I don't the think the weight of the E90 was due to the engine, pretty sure that S65 V8 was lighter than the S54 I6 in the E46
@brianj7787
@brianj7787 3 жыл бұрын
He said the M3 always benefitted from having an Inline 6 and more room for it's suspension, except of course the E90 which was V8
@sambower5544
@sambower5544 3 жыл бұрын
@@brianj7787 Oh, watching back you're spot on.
@EmanAugust
@EmanAugust 3 жыл бұрын
I miss tha e90 m3 V8
@Daniel189HLL
@Daniel189HLL 3 жыл бұрын
I think it looks brutal and menacing and certainly not ugly. I really want one and love the white and black in the car you have..
@NinaMango789
@NinaMango789 3 жыл бұрын
"I didn't just kill a partridge did I!?" 😂
@yooseemotoringchannel3357
@yooseemotoringchannel3357 3 жыл бұрын
You can always count on matt for bringing honest review. Finally someone has balls to actually be straight forward about the design.
@jdamore44
@jdamore44 3 жыл бұрын
This car just makes my e46 m3 worth more :) Thanks
@yungactivist
@yungactivist 3 жыл бұрын
I wished most cars had what the bmw had open/closed valves I just love that lol
@sp4nrs
@sp4nrs 3 жыл бұрын
Matt, here in NZ the clutch is still a thing. But I suspect you know this. Manual cars still fetch a premium. The third pedal isn’t dead! Also bring back the one takes, or come down to NZ again and see what we are running. We should start a givealittle to get you to Leadfoot festival. You’ll love it
@chrisdafurz
@chrisdafurz 3 жыл бұрын
Stop suggesting the M2CS! They're selling out fast and I still haven't won the lotto yet 🥺
@RavTokomi
@RavTokomi 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully the S58 ends up in an M2 model before too long.
@Matthew-nl9kd
@Matthew-nl9kd 3 жыл бұрын
And a DCT instead of the ZF auto I hope...
@slothprophet7924
@slothprophet7924 3 жыл бұрын
the engine sounds great compared to the old m4 in my opinion!
@mnoovurvi
@mnoovurvi 3 жыл бұрын
@@Matthew-nl9kd Manual. The DCT is gone.
@Roosterism
@Roosterism 3 жыл бұрын
From the back, I definitely want that 6 Speed Camry. Right now. Dang boi, :)
@kellinpatler
@kellinpatler 3 жыл бұрын
Digging the new TST logo in the bottom corner at the beginning
@alecbasba
@alecbasba 3 жыл бұрын
Great that it has a manual option, but they really could have put a little more effort in how the stick looks? This is like, yanked straight out of an E36, just looks out of place in that modern interior.
@philipschrantz8402
@philipschrantz8402 3 жыл бұрын
BMW has lost its way from a design standpoint. For decades, BMW design represented a cohesive, beautifully restrained “form follows function” aesthetic, but that has been sacrificed in a misguided attempt to make some kind of a “statement”. Unfortunately, that statement is one of confused ugliness. It’s a pity, really.
@1xx1NINJAxx1
@1xx1NINJAxx1 3 жыл бұрын
If you stop listening to others saying it's ugly and actually go look at one for an hour or so it looks good.....too many ugly bandwagoners either way rather have this than some electric car 🤣
@BryanAsker
@BryanAsker 3 жыл бұрын
@@1xx1NINJAxx1 Shouldn’t have to go look at a car for an hour to convince myself it looks good 😂 Sounds to me you’re trying to convince yourself it looks “good”.
@andeleputo89
@andeleputo89 3 жыл бұрын
@@1xx1NINJAxx1 if you have to stare at a car for at least an hour just to give it the slightest bit of appreciation, then that’s one ugly fucking vehicle 🤣🤣
@stephenmendes2289
@stephenmendes2289 3 жыл бұрын
How long does it take to realize a painting, a vista, a building or a woman is beautiful? If you subscribe to the notion that takes one “an hour” of studying a car to form an opinion about its aesthetic appeal then thank God you were not my teammate, business partner or wingman! 😹
@miutzyh
@miutzyh 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review - just bought an F82 M4!
@Matthew-nl9kd
@Matthew-nl9kd 3 жыл бұрын
Good choice. Definitely in no rush to replace mine. Saved yourself money too.
@cooperastro2690
@cooperastro2690 3 жыл бұрын
12:22 Zack had me laughing for 5 min straight 😂
@android-ud2nf
@android-ud2nf 3 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but the design grew on me. I just imagine the villain in a James Bond movie would drive this. It’s not beautiful in a traditional way but in a “I’m a bad guy” way.
@Fizzer99
@Fizzer99 3 жыл бұрын
Best M3 was the e92. (IMO)
@MidnightEvora
@MidnightEvora 3 жыл бұрын
E46 was peak M3, IMO. But E9X was an excellent follow-up, and definitely comes in at #2. Either way, both are leaps better than the modern supertanker M-cars
@vinceking7878
@vinceking7878 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the design myself, though it could be ironed out a bit. Looks aggressive and focused, love the head lights. The car seems to be very colour dependent. Grille could be less flat.
@nathanvujovich2267
@nathanvujovich2267 3 жыл бұрын
As a 2020 Type R owner this video lessens the pain of constantly burning through tires at the track do to fwd.
@DavidJCarrell
@DavidJCarrell 3 жыл бұрын
This car looks great in the 2 grey colors that are offered. And the front license plate breaks up the grill. Love the interior and the rear and side views. I’m seriously looking at getting one and jumping off of the C8 list.
@tumsfestival8027
@tumsfestival8027 3 жыл бұрын
It’s honestly the ugliest bmw ever. Usually when a new design language comes out, I assume I’ll end up liking it in a year or 2. I don’t think that will be the case with this thing
@Tan997
@Tan997 3 жыл бұрын
I was very against the new Z car when they released pics of it but it grew on me since. This has not..
@John_Hoover
@John_Hoover 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta believe the i2 is in the running for ugliest BMW ever.
@mikediazArtist
@mikediazArtist Жыл бұрын
U can really tell how big cars are getting when they barely fit in garages for homes built in the 90’s or in parking spaces made years ago.
@jihadjoe
@jihadjoe 3 жыл бұрын
Can you guys link that shop doing the body kit that makes it look like the old one?
@BabyHairAutomotive
@BabyHairAutomotive 3 жыл бұрын
2:36 ...who is the guy in the ditch?!?!?
@mnoovurvi
@mnoovurvi 3 жыл бұрын
John
@venom5809
@venom5809 3 жыл бұрын
"I can see the eww" 😂
@CoDCharlie1
@CoDCharlie1 3 жыл бұрын
I saw one of these for the first time in person today and did exactly what you talked about 18:20.
@ronan7812
@ronan7812 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. The fact it's bigger than an M6 is crazy. I was at the dealers today and the M8 was on display. I had to do double take to see what the fuck it was. Thaught it was a new M6. I can't keep up. They all look the same. But of course that doesn't matter. The car market has changed so much in the last 20 years. Now almost all new cars are on some form of a leasing agreement. People are paying more than their mortgage to "borrow" the next best car for 2 years and then just swap for the next one. Who buys a new car these days? I'll stick to my E46 M3 thank you very much.
@vWaLLBangz
@vWaLLBangz Жыл бұрын
Your comment is still ripe a year later
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