The New BMW M4 is Proof We Are Past Peak BMW M - Can a Manual Gearbox Save it? - Two Takes

[@TheSmokingTire]

For $100k, would you buy the M4 or the M2 CS?

[@bmwpartsfresno9428]

M4

[@js002003]

Its not 100K! It's a little over 80K with a decent spec. (albeit if you tick all the boxes you can get to 100) Also some of the prices are off (cooled seats are 300 and carbon 950)... Finally, im going to be on the right side of history on this one - the car is going to go down as passable if not good looking.

[@rushgush]

100k would get u a really good used car. like a mercedes amg gt.

[@smartyrdumb4681]

For 100K I’m importing an E36 M3GT.

[@SvenTheSveed]

A basic Defender 90 and a Volvo V60 P*, should even get change. M cars are for a ‘special’ sort of person.

[@KealeyOnCars]

Other car designers: “We took inspiration from nature for our design.” This car designer, after snorting another massive line of cocaine: “BUGGS FUCKING BUNNY”!

[@s.m.2868]

Cocaine doesn't make you do things that terrible, it must have been PCP or something like that...

[@Daveyboy_RS3]

Oh Don't be silly lol... He must have been into cocktails of much harder drugs to come up with the m4's design🥴

[@undreal7398]

Includes Orange leather that looks like a carrot!

[@CycoWarriorx]

@Sean Kealey 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Daveyboy_RS3]

@@s.m.2868 Ze Gemanns!!

[@oliverdavis1910]

Bold and garish, it draws your attention when it approaches, a testament to the character of its aesthetic, like a Pontiac Aztec.

[@jza66]

Lol. I’m dying.

[@cdpgbc-mw2kz]

Oliver Davis: I, among many viewers, had long put to rest the pain of seeing an Aztec. Sigh, thanks for digging up that horrid memory. Decades later, I still shake my head as to who penned it , who approved it, and worst of all, who actually walked in to a dealership and said, " Wow, there she is....my new ride......."

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I'm actually having a case of paradolia now all I can see is the inbred progeniture of a Pontiac Aztec and a 90's Pontiac Grand Prix...

[@jamesterakazis6624]

HIDEOUS FROM EVERY ANGLE

[@Farhankhan-mw4ll]

@@cdpgbc-mw2kz lol

[@jimnguyen444]

I’m so happy there are a few companies that still see some value in making both manual and auto! Got to appreciate that.

[@SenszR]

It’s just a maths equation at the end of the day

[@OhNotJohnny]

Unfortunately it is dying. Not too many buys them new.

[@DogtorC]

they mark up the manual at s.th. special, but its just a basic bmw manual. Now all of the sudden its special.

[@gaara4667]

Maybe buy them whenever a manufacturer makes them and they won’t die out

[@bradenmchenry995]

@@OhNotJohnny 25% of m3/4 are manual

[@ThatRosco458]

If only BMW made this car not ugly and $20k cheaper. *M2 Comp enters the chat*

[@trevorphillips3922]

Except the M2 Comp is worse in virtually every single objective way aside from subjective feelings about appearance and driving enjoyment...

[@AkinaGhost]

@@trevorphillips3922 Being better is also subjective, better at what exactly? If you're daily driving them the M4 would be better - more spacious and comfortable - but by the same token a non-M version would be even better - and let's face it, a large percentage of M cars rarely get used as intended and are mostly for showing off purposes. Even when comparing them as performance cars the vast majority of people aren't that good as drivers that they can objectively say one is better that the other outside of quoting figures and repeating what they read in reviews.

[@MultiBluedog123]

@@AkinaGhost 100% bro u said it right.

[@theraggededgeonboardfastes8461]

This car is at least 10 seconds faster if not more on the Nordschleife than an m2. BMW have been trying like hell to recreate the dynamics of the E46 for a long time now and failed. This car hits the bulls-eye after 15 years. The numbers are meaningless they're going after a feeling here. Wait till they probe its lift characteristics.

[@yummyhershey5902]

@@AkinaGhost no. Being better is not always subjective. There are objective qualities about cars that make some objectively better than others. That doesn’t mean no one should choose that option, because they may like it more.

[@HelloThere-xx1ct]

Looks like a Q60 banged a Mustang.

[@cyrilmatthew2995]

You are a genius bud... 😁

[@papa_pt]

sadly accurate

[@jrag1000]

And out comes a beautiful bounding baby m4

[@RCXDerp]

@@jrag1000 buck teef and all

[@nickp97]

Fr what the fuck did they make?? That side profile 🤮

[@BeemerFam]

I completely agree M2CS is really a special car

[@Blackdawn80]

The M2CS is currently the ultimate BMW. The rest of the M line just looks terrible.

[@placeholdername3206]

I'm diehard into anything BMW from the 80's and 90's. I've driven my collegues M2 many times. To be honest, I am not that impressed. The M2 was supposed to be this throwback to the size and feel of cars like the E36 M3 and E46 M3. You still feel really disconnected to the road. Still feels like you are floating. Dont getm e wrong, its a great car, It just doesn't make me feel like i'm in a sports car. I'm not sure anything modern will, to be honest unless we are talking super cars.

[@bshark977]

@@placeholdername3206 after e90 series its all felt off

[@CYota91]

@@bshark977 a bit yeah. It's like they took a page out of Mercedes play book, they went more refined and tech rather than performance.

[@placeholdername3206]

@@CYota91 To be honest, that happened already with the E46 and E39. They became luxury cars first, and sport sedans second instead of the other way around.

[@zemekiel]

That front design will scare every child in a mile radius. It's so fugly, they couldn't make it any worse even if they tried!

[@ddmegadoodoo892]

*The bmw i4 has entered the chat.

[@zemekiel]

@@ddmegadoodoo892 What is that, an appliance on 4 wheels?

[@stevem8112]

Supra has entered the chat

[@johnnyboy1586]

I agree but in different colours particularly satin black it looks waaay better

[@johnnyboy1586]

That engine sounds soo good

[@pascutia]

Thank you Zack for going more into detail about the steering/shifter feel. That’s what I care about in a car review.

[@maxxedredlineproductions]

Save the manuals!

[@MrTuttleboy]

Meh

[@BlakesGarage]

Honestly I’m more about save the DCT with this car. Yeah manual save it also, but the fact that BMW went torque converter shows that they don’t care about ///M anymore. You don’t see Porsche saying maybe we should get rid of the PDK.

[@OhNotJohnny]

Want to save it? Buy them.

[@abracing199]

Then buy the manuals!

[@mattmartini836]

@@BlakesGarage I think you'll find that torque converters will eventually overtake and probably become better than DCT, they are pretty close to the same speed in shifts anyways

[@paul_howey]

Glad you guys are being honest about the looks... Other reviewers are talking about how a "front plate helps" and don't seem to want to bash the design for fear of angering BMW... If the car looks better with a front plate... you know it's bad.

[@golfbuddy1969]

they are giving their opinion...honesty has nothing to do with it. Honesty involves objectivity...but looks are subjective.

[@paul_howey]

@@golfbuddy1969 that’s exactly what I’m saying. They are giving their honest opinion when other reviewers are clearly holding back... it’s nice to see an unfiltered opinion from them.

[@golfbuddy1969]

@@paul_howey okay I gotcha...but I actually like the M3 version of this car much better.

[@daytonars5]

@@paul_howey other people don’t have the same opinion as me so are therefore wrong. Lol ok.

[@jimf5160]

It would have to be front plate the size of a highway sign...

[@MCNeurotiK]

"Just stretch a Mustang a bit and add the ugliest grill ever made." - A BMW designer, probably

[@qim_]

Probably,

[@dennismichealsm3786]

Yep

[@BeyondLumination]

That’s exactly what I saw

[@boost3d831]

Yeah from the side the silhouette really looks like a Mustang

[@paulsz6194]

Boost3D Deutsche Müstang... LoL

[@Daveyboy_RS3]

Incredible how the lack of a simple Hofmeister Kink and a lost shoulder line, transforms what could have been a design that really grows on you (as the g80 m3 has), into this Frankenmustang monstrosity.

[@Japplesnap]

There's absolutely nothing Mustang about it. In comparison, the Mustang is a beauty queen.

[@Slimecrazy234]

Theyve abandoned BMWness in their design and now have this generic ugly hodgepodge of a thing.

[@machtschnell7452]

And everyone kind of misses the two fake 1964 Corvette C2 hood vents in the hood. Just a pathetic styling fail even worse than the nostrils..

[@nerowolf8006]

dont forget those monstrosities of side mirrors

[@TheSmokingTirePodcast]

I don't think the Hofmeister kink would have saved it. - Zack

[@fabricio5021]

Despite how good it may drive, I could never get myself to buy a car that I wouldn’t want to look at.

[@willkaufman8208]

I thought it was really bad when first released photos but I have definitely gotten used to it and tbh the grill isn’t any bigger than every single other company’s

[@ABoringTool]

I think you're wrong. I would drive a multipla if it drove like a mclaren F1. Not to say that the M4 drives well enough to offset the looks. If I wanted a fast twin turbo V6 I would get a GTR

[@papa_pt]

@@allen624 yeah except this grill doesn't mesh with the rest of the front of the car. Dumb character line along side. No Hoffmeister Kink. M3 isn't as bad as this M4

[@jbdoingjbstuff]

@@ABoringTool or a 997 turbo. Can get an awesome example with a stick with lowish miles for this. And they are just getting up and up in value now.

[@TheMxboy199]

@@allen624 the difference is other brands know how to have a big grill and make it look good. Luexu’s front ends have been great for years. Bmws only look good on suvs not on the sedans

[@Briggsian]

The amount of times they mentioned the Mustang GT kinda speaks volumes

[@MultiBluedog123]

Which is hilarious lmao

[@ParagMathurmd]

Good point. They aren't thinking "stepping stone to 911." They are thinking "expensive mustang."

[@Partylizard1]

I’m a big bimmer guy but I’d take a performance pack 5.0 over a G80 all day

[@jlopez1017d]

@@Partylizard1 id rather get a used gt350 than this crap

[@jlopez1017d]

Just look at what cars they compre this too. A mustang and a civic type R. All those cars are good cars especially for the price. This car isn’t anything special for the price. BMW really dropped the ball with this new m3/m4

[@tehbrutenextdoor]

This car in crazy bold colors looks alright, but it is far from elegant. You have to COMMIT to the ugly by going all in.

[@liamgray6559]

Hahahaha, "commit to the ugly"

[@givemeajackson]

Hot pink with waifu stickers so the grill isn't the worst thing about it anymore?

[@orbitaljunkie]

The more reviews of this thing I watch, the better I feel about my decision to buy an M2C last year.

[@vafan13]

M2 CS is absolutely the better choice. Congratulations!

[@jasonstewart9673]

Excellent choice, how have you liked it so far?

[@MrBirgerB]

It all depends. M2 for track, this for road trips.

[@blitzy3244]

@@MrBirgerB meh if you are focused on road trips why buy an M car. I'm sure the M2 is perfectly fine on a long drive, cabin space doesn't really matter if you are the only one in the car.

[@kuervers03]

@@vafan13 tune camber plates and sticky tires is alot cheaper than CS price premium

[@xkc9689]

Buying this is rewarding it’s heinous design, never ever. Hope this is the 996 of BMWs, tho tbh I’d prefer any 996 to this

[@jbdoingjbstuff]

Dude. You can get a nice low to medium mileage 997 turbo with a manual for this price.

[@moorees335]

Strictly speaking 996, I for whatever reason like the original headlight design with the orange marker versus the clear eggs of later...but of course not my favorite design language. This G series is hideous and would not reward this behavior if I could afford it.

[@arr0gant1]

@@jbdoingjbstuff great point and in 10 years this will be worth $20k and the 997 Turbo will be $100k

[@gaara4667]

996 wasn’t ugly tho

[@arr0gant1]

@@gaara4667 right, that's why they will never make that design again

[@Montster131]

Actually saddens me how badly BMW butchered my favorite car

[@pontiacGXPfan]

Look what all they did to the M5. It's fat and dull like a normal 5 series and sounds like ass

[@peterhammer4644]

Its by far the fastest M3/M4 ever made, first time in 911 2S territory in same generation. Its freaking fast and has a great drive. Butchered....dont think so....

[@stevemiller1626]

“They massacred my boy”

[@stevemiller1626]

@@peterhammer4644 the new M’s are extremely capable but I’d be way happier in a Giulia Quad.

[@peterhammer4644]

@@stevemiller1626 then you just buy one! For you the best solution. Myself would not want a car with that interior and all the time being scared if something brakes.....

[@Nanorisk]

It looks like a mustang from the side.

[@ohpotatoesandmolasses]

All I see is German Kia Stinger.

[@jrag1000]

It really does

[@rafapozzan]

I see Accord coupe

[@RCXDerp]

But it doesn't get the best part of the 350, I love that front end.

[@reneortega5248]

Yes! Kinda like a Korean mustang...before they figured out car styling.

[@FreshlySnipes]

Im placing my order for the G80 this week. Can’t wait! Yes, the front end isn’t my favorite but it’s growing on me (in the right color) and this will probably be the last affordable manual sports car with a powerful engine… get ‘em while you can! Bet the next M3 will follow the C63 AMG with a small engine hybrid.

[@Top_g80comp]

I ordered my g80 in IOMG can’t wait to get , yes I have to admit that the front end looked very weird to me when first introduced, but boy in the flesh looks so freaking good and you know it’s an M car from far , so front grill isn’t bad looking at all . Can’t wait to get mine 💯🤘🏻💚

[@octav7438]

over a year later I like the new m3 frontend over f80... I know.. its crazy... but the f80 looks outdated now and I actually think the g80 is a step in the right direction. We're just used to F80 and will take some time getting used to a new bmw. Like e39 -> e60.

[@MrWhitePerson]

"a well placed knob is perfect and should never be removed(...)" - Matt Farah 2021

[@robertpawley5715]

And he likes to be touched…

[@lousogoodx]

Absolutely love the 1st gear ratio! 35 mph top speed in first gear is perfect! THANK YOU BMW!!! We don't need 45 55 or 65 in first gear. It's not a track only car. We want the shift that gear box And 25-40 mph increments is perfect.

[@Bupkus68]

Helps with clutch life as well, not needing to slip as much as say in the Cayman when first is waaaayyy too tall.

[@kurttennant7747]

I kind of appreciate they've been using the same exact shift knob in M cars for 20 years now. Really helps parts availability

[@icydelight3693]

I love this car actually, I think it's the peak of M cars... Comfortable and spacious enough, fast enough to give a 992 Carrera S a run for its money both on a track and on a straight line, despite being much less expensive. It's good to drive, it has good quality interiors, good infotainment, good safety features... It can also be used as an AWD so it has good traction everywhere. It's a wonderful all-rounder, nearly perfect. The design is polarizing but I don't mind it honestly. Besides, I value content more than looks. I don't care if it's automatic or manual, turbo or NA, it's a great sportcar and a most importantly a great all-rounder, possibly the best one in the market. The direct rivals are the the RS5 and the c63 AMG but none of them have the same performances of the BMW. The cars that rival the BMW in performances are in the league of the Aston Martin Vantage or the 992 Carrera S, but they cost a lot more and they're less usable for daily driving, less spacious, less versatile...

[@tumsfestival8027]

It’s honestly the ugliest bmw ever. Usually when a new design language comes out, I assume I’ll end up liking it in a year or 2. I don’t think that will be the case with this thing

[@Tan997]

I was very against the new Z car when they released pics of it but it grew on me since. This has not..

[@John_Hoover]

Gotta believe the i2 is in the running for ugliest BMW ever.

[@mikediazArtist]

U can really tell how big cars are getting when they barely fit in garages for homes built in the 90’s or in parking spaces made years ago.

[@mats7984]

The new Hyundai m4 looks pretty wild in white with THOSE nostrils

[@ervin7178]

Needs a big ol genesis grill

[@aftastosk6016]

Hyundais are better looking

[@stevem2323]

@@aftastosk6016 Naah it's not.

[@lolatu4402]

“You can see the ewww” 😂😭

[@gustavofigueiredo1798]

Funny how you guys mentioned the Civic Type R. It doesn't look so bad next to this.

[@elusivellama]

Civic Type-R looks a hundred times better. It looks like it was meant to look - a hyper Civic, a Gundam in car form. This M4 looks like a pig 🐷

[@bokiNYC]

😂😂

[@jimmyneutron5679]

@@elusivellama yikes

[@placeholdername3206]

@@elusivellama You just explained perfectly what is wrong with the Type R. It looks like an 18 year olds wet dream, yet it's big boy money.

[@RCXDerp]

@@placeholdername3206 40k is not big boy money I mean look at the STI. I think the civic looks better than the subie. My GT350 was 52k and I don't consider that big boy money.

[@jackwilson8651]

Putting aside how the design dept approved this, what I love is it appears to be a drivers car. It’s got the right sound, power and is still a manual. As ugly as it is, I’ll take this over an EV all day, every day

[@TazawaTanks]

Looking at the size and styling of the new M3/M4 makes me happy...that I still have my E92 M3! 😝

[@mushy1983123]

E92 m3 sound nice but there slow

[@TazawaTanks]

@@mushy1983123 Not as fast as some other cars, but plenty fast for a good looking sports coupe that sounds amazing. If I were building a track car, I’d choose a different platform. However, as my fun weekend car that I can enjoy on public roads, it’s just fine.👌🏾

[@mushy1983123]

@@TazawaTanks yes it is good looking and one of the best sounding V8s out there only thing I don't like about them is they need more power cause it will struggle to beat a tuned gti golf add a supercharger or turbo would then make it move

[@RCXDerp]

@@mushy1983123 Who gives a shit about stop light racing a golf. My GT350 gets walked by Teslas and I don't give af.

[@mushy1983123]

@@RCXDerp lol well even from a roll most like a tuned golf would still beat the old m3 lol

[@williamk1800]

Love the comparisons to the Civic Type R, specifically regarding steering and road feel, and shifter feel. Highlights what an incredible job Honda has done with that car, and I look forward to the next gen one, hopefully with a rowdy "fun" exhaust mode, and customizable driving parameters. As for the Bimmers, I too would choose the M2 CS over this M3/M4 in a heartbeat, and pocket the ~$20,000 change.

[@NoBaconForYou]

I love the design without the front plate, but front plates are required in my state. Still I love BMWs. Love the engine.

[@NoBaconForYou]

The B58 is peak BMW I6

[@NoBaconForYou]

This technically has an S58

[@pabauza]

3850 lb, yes M is bloated and over the hill. I remember when the E46 was thought to be too heavy.

[@jbdoingjbstuff]

Dick move when Zach claimed a 30 pound weight reduction with the ceramic brakes and because "you didn't read it" you didn't care to talk about it and essentially shot him down.

[@basithph8958]

The fact that the new M3 and M4 still have a manual transmission is a big thing that’s more important than the grille itself

[@mnoovurvi]

Yes, everyone is moaning how "manuals are dying" and when they are the only brand in it's class still making them no one cares and moans about a fucking grille... Are you car guys or fashion designers ?

[@basithph8958]

@@mnoovurvi lol I'm going to be honest the grille isn't that bad as the grille on the new 4-Series or even the 7-Series Though the M3 looks better imo

[@mnoovurvi]

@@basithph8958 The regular 4 series is much worse, yes. The M3/4 in dark colours are not bad I also like the 7. The 3 series G20 looks the best. M340i in dark blue or black 👌👌👌

[@basithph8958]

@@mnoovurvi yeah but the grille on the 7-series just looks so out of proportion it sticks above the hood

[@rblbatb]

I think it would look better in black. It would make the grill more subtle.

[@tumsfestival8027]

I don’t think theres anything you can do to make this thing subtle.

[@RealOrbit-Australia]

In black and dark grey they look pretty good

[@sirfriendzone1228]

The dark blue as well.

[@bearrett50kal17]

As someone who's daily driven a manual sports car I like a short first gear for traffic, it lets you roll at low speeds in gear so you don't need as much clutch work in traffic.

[@arthurx333]

Not only that but perhaps more importantly, you buy a manual to shift because its enjoyable. The new mustang for example hits 50+ mph in first gear, you are not able to have any fun on public roads, because 2nd gear will pass any speed limit.

[@FrenchAmericanTravel]

​@@arthurx333 I had two 5.0s (PP) with the 3.73 gears, making it so that I had to shift two-three times before I reached 60 mph (riiiiiight at the end of 2nd). My HCI C6 Z06 and C7 Z06 hit 60-ish mph in 1st gear. I have way more fun in those cars than I ever did in my 5.0s (even though I still had plenty of fun in them), despite driving them on public roads (with the occasional canyon carving). And trust me, I still do plenty of shifting around town, so the joy of it is still there. That said, less powerful cars may be more fun with shorter gears, as they trick you into thinking you're driving a "fast car" due to the fast revs. You can still have plenty of fun with longer gears if used with the right car.

[@arthurx333]

@@FrenchAmericanTravel If you have no problem breaking the speed limit every time you want to have fun then i suppose you are right. Not for everyone though. Points on your license and high insurance are not everyone cup of tea surely you can understand. Eventually your luck will run out if you do it everyday.

[@FrenchAmericanTravel]

@@arthurx333 I can assure you that the vast majority of owners who own/drive cars like these (or more powerful) break the speed limit at least once on a daily basis. Do you think Matt and Zack were obeying the posted limits in the video above? It's all about finding a right place, at the right time, and not being a moron (aka speeding through a neighborhood/traffic/known ticket hot spots, etc...) It seems like you'd be better off in a Miata/BRZ/FRS, where you can row gears all day long, yet still be incredibly slow. Short gears in high horsepower cars = spin city. It's the same argument as those that say "oh, 300hp-400hp is enough for me, as it's already too much power for the streets!"

[@arthurx333]

@@FrenchAmericanTravel With age comes wisdom for the ones with a brain.

[@akaJRob]

What’s good y’all I don’t watch tst that often but this man in the orange jacket is very good at explaining things alongside Matt I like this duo reviewing a car together

[@omarl7002]

Whomever designed those hideous grills should never design a car again

[@willkaufman8208]

They said their goal was not to make everyone happy. They said only 1/6 people like the look. I think it is going to grow on people and they will continue to make that grill

[@1xx1NINJAxx1]

@@willkaufman8208 after spending 1 hour with the car more like 5/6 people like looks at the others are just brainwashed bandwagon influencer listening rat racers ohh my favorite youtubers said it's ugly so it must be ugly if that same youtubers said your girlfriend/ wife is ugly they would probably believe that too LMAO

[@AkinaGhost]

@@1xx1NINJAxx1 Lol...could say the same about you. Who brainwashed you into thinking this looks good?

[@del7723]

@@1xx1NINJAxx1 were you born blind?

[@2jsanc681]

@@1xx1NINJAxx1 No.... its just fugly

[@tuurbow]

BMW is getting more confused by the day. If I wanted a luxury boat, Id buy an M5. The whole point of the M3/4 was to have a competitive sports sedan/coupe. They may as well get rid of the rest of their line up considering the car is now the equivalent of the 5 to 8 series .

[@Userh211]

This literally looks nothing like a bmw . Nothing flows together and everything looks too Japanese. God BMW, how do you mess up this bad

[@1xx1NINJAxx1]

Another bandwagoner news flash more people like it than dislike it yeh if u just at grill and walk away sure but after you spend an hour looking the WHOLE CAR you'll see it's not ugly at all stop listening to influencers

[@ogmechsftw]

imagine using Japanese as an insult. Uncultured detected :D

[@fifteen8850]

Wat

[@Userh211]

@@ogmechsftw not using it as an insult, saying that this doesn't look like a true bmw. looks more like a lexus

[@ai00436]

@@Userh211 yeah it really does look like a Lexus, which doesn't look bad at all, but the old BMW look was good too ;-;

[@farhankazi9344]

I would like to see Matt/Zack get back into an e46 m3 and compare the driving experience between the two cars.

[@evanwheeler7687]

One of the more recent videos on the channel is of them driving Zach's old M3 with the new European tires on it. They go into driving dynamics there. Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmi6aqqkn9Bmh80

[@machtschnell7452]

@@evanwheeler7687 Yeah, but Vredsteins? Passenger car tires.

[@skagerstrom]

At a stand still, the blacked out grille doesn't look THAT bad on a white car. I almost thought it was growin on me - untill I saw the exterior driving shots. It looks like a harelipped whale.

[@johnnyr25]

$100k? Ouch. That's well within C8 Corvette, Nissan GT-R, and base 911 Carrera territory. All three of which I'd rather have.

[@philipschrantz8402]

BMW has lost its way from a design standpoint. For decades, BMW design represented a cohesive, beautifully restrained “form follows function” aesthetic, but that has been sacrificed in a misguided attempt to make some kind of a “statement”. Unfortunately, that statement is one of confused ugliness. It’s a pity, really.

[@1xx1NINJAxx1]

If you stop listening to others saying it's ugly and actually go look at one for an hour or so it looks good.....too many ugly bandwagoners either way rather have this than some electric car 🤣

[@BryanAsker]

@@1xx1NINJAxx1 Shouldn’t have to go look at a car for an hour to convince myself it looks good 😂 Sounds to me you’re trying to convince yourself it looks “good”.

[@andeleputo89]

@@1xx1NINJAxx1 if you have to stare at a car for at least an hour just to give it the slightest bit of appreciation, then that’s one ugly fucking vehicle 🤣🤣

[@stephenmendes2289]

How long does it take to realize a painting, a vista, a building or a woman is beautiful? If you subscribe to the notion that takes one “an hour” of studying a car to form an opinion about its aesthetic appeal then thank God you were not my teammate, business partner or wingman! 😹

[@Galactinator]

Took me two years, but now i like the spec

[@Daveyboy_RS3]

Matt nodding in agreement yet thinks 💭 "Hey this is my show pal, I can handle the exposition"

[@dericanslum1696]

...been very awkward lately...Matts patience and modesty in short supply...

[@mustafaayata2419]

2:36 a wild Matt in the bushes, committing to his content quietly.

[@nightkidsgolden582]

Congrats on 1 mil subscribers you guys deserve it!!

[@eddstarr2185]

The Smoking Tire - let me take a moment to praise TST for the shear beauty of its videography. In any kind of weather, any time of day, each road review is stunning to look at. Other car channels wish they looked as good as TST, and so do I 😊 Kudos for doing your best to make the BMW M4 look good - keep the manual gearbox, refresh the exterior design. BMW, ya hear me?

[@android-ud2nf]

I’m sorry but the design grew on me. I just imagine the villain in a James Bond movie would drive this. It’s not beautiful in a traditional way but in a “I’m a bad guy” way.

[@kulebrero]

Strongly disagree on the looks. I like it. Looks aggressive as a sporty car should. And it’s ridiculous to compare it with a Civic Type R. The R is a $20K car with factory mods to bring it up to $35K (for the FK8 at the time of this video). It is more raw and simpler because it isn’t a luxury car first and sporty second. It is an economy car first and sporty second. No one is going to spend $35K and complain it is loud or basic. The M4 as all BMWs including the Ms are supposed to be fairly luxurious first. They’re supposed to be quieter, comfortable, and plush first and sporty second. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Type R (FL5 more than the previous gen). It’s driving dynamics should be compared to a Corolla, GR86, Miata, Golf R or GTI, Veloster, etc., not an M2/3/4 or an Audi RS3/4/5 or a Merc C class. Do you want a raw, light, nimble car? Buy a Type R. Want a luxury car? Buy a 3 series / C class, RS or S Audi, a Cadillac CT-4/5, etc.

[@yooseemotoringchannel3357]

You can always count on matt for bringing honest review. Finally someone has balls to actually be straight forward about the design.

[@everydaybodybuilding2282]

We all appreciate a well placed knob

[@sunnyvalentino]

That IS500F and CT5V Black Wing is looking awfully tasty right now. If leasing Guilia Quad as well.

[@X11CHASE]

Guilia Quad is the most exotic, the IS500F is the most novel in this era, and still luxurious, the CT5V is on a whole other level of awesome, underrated car as far as mainstream understanding goes

[@ViceCityNightcrawler]

The interior is so clean and the rims are so hard. 2:36 But the random guy sticking out the ground has me dead lol

[@eddiefara]

the interior is hot but that’s about it, definitely past peak ///M also I’m a huge fan of two takes as you already know you two work well together

[@BMWROYAL]

Front end looks amazing

[@aowen1079]

I love the new M3 sedan, even with the new grill. I saw one at a launch and it was kitted out in Brooklyn grey and it looked very good.

[@Daveyboy_RS3]

I agree 💯. At first I was all bout the Frozen gray/blue, but when I got a good look at that Brooklyn Gray and how well it contrasts with the carbon rear diffuser/side skirts /front lip & roof I loved it. There are so many details on the car that get lost on dark colors (however I don't like white) so yessir, Brooklyn gray looks insane on the M3. PS I hate the m4 (mustang) like poison LOL.

[@dedelabinouze5110]

Yeah i heard some people love Marmite too, there's some weird ones out there haha

[@Top_g80comp]

I love the grill can’t wait to get my IOMG M3 💯🤘🏻💚

[@jamviator]

The new gesture control actually works pretty well. Matt Watson hated it too until he got the M850i on a long term lease. He said he found himself using it to adjust the volume all the time and that he loves it now.

[@zareff]

Thanks for calling it ugly straight up. Seems like most other journos are being somewhat apologetic about it or refuse to comment on "aesthetics". It's an ugly car and it won't age well.

[@1xx1NINJAxx1]

There is nothing apologetic it's like none of you have actually went and saw the car side by side with an m2 or m5 it takes an hour to get used it and realize it's a better design by a mile....

[@djdB]

@@1xx1NINJAxx1 No. It's a horrible design that makes me wince everytime I accidentally catch a glance. Last thing we would want is to see it in person.

[@jrag1000]

It’s ugly to scare the competition

[@zareff]

@@1xx1NINJAxx1 sure did. Side by side at the dealer next to a m2 comp. Looks like a boat.

[@lieutenantcandlewax]

@@djdB good luck trying to avoid it 😂 can't believe y'all grown men are getting so angry about a car

[@bradmarcus6608]

THis makes my 2012 M3 even more valuable to me and a lot of future collectors.

[@jdamore44]

This car just makes my e46 m3 worth more :) Thanks

[@nathanvujovich2267]

As a 2020 Type R owner this video lessens the pain of constantly burning through tires at the track do to fwd.

[@MlKEnIKEGaming]

Loving the two takes

[@Daniel189HLL]

I think it looks brutal and menacing and certainly not ugly. I really want one and love the white and black in the car you have..

[@on_wheels_80]

I truly hope we're going to be past peak BMW kidney grille after this one.

[@josephregan1007]

Zach's comment about the shifter is so spot on. Keeping in mind economies of scale, I have an 11 e90 335 w a UUC short shift and the very first thing I noticed was the 'thunk' at the end of the throw. Coming from 2 civics, which were about 20 model years apart (01 and then 18) - I couldn't keep my hands off the shifter. I was downshifting every little corner, in a way I don't do w the 335. Good shit TST, goooood shiiiiit.

[@davidclack1569]

Love how at 12:36 Matt’s talking about scrolling through radio stations as he’s listening to butthole surfers 😂

[@CycoWarriorx]

From a BMW owner, thank you for calling it like it is... that gopher / rat tooth design is ugly. Period. I shouldn’t have to opt a color to minimize the ugliness... I’ve seen this on the freeway and if my windows weren’t tinted, I’m sure the driver could see me do the “Chris Bangle” head shake... and no BMW owner wants to see another shake their head at them... lol

[@simonrichards5430]

“Look at me!” ~ Matt. “Can I be in the picture?” ~ Zack

[@vinceking7878]

I really like the design myself, though it could be ironed out a bit. Looks aggressive and focused, love the head lights. The car seems to be very colour dependent. Grille could be less flat.

[@alecbasba]

Great that it has a manual option, but they really could have put a little more effort in how the stick looks? This is like, yanked straight out of an E36, just looks out of place in that modern interior.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

the new m3/m4 are just m5 tier now

[@FunTimeStudios82]

I think I’ll keep my e92 ///M3 and not worry about getting a newer one ☺️🙏🏻

[@jasonstewart9673]

How has the maintenance been? I’m starting to consider buying one

[@tedigjoleka8420]

last true 'timeless' bmw design!

[@FunTimeStudios82]

@@jasonstewart9673 car has 50K miles and has been great. No expensive repair bills. Even if the maintenance is more than a VW, the ownership experience makes it worth it.

[@jasonstewart9673]

@@FunTimeStudios82 thats good to hear, looking for a dct with around 70-80k just a bit hesitant to pull the trigger

[@davidd4531]

@@jasonstewart9673 105,000 miles here. No issues so far. As preventive maintenance, replaced factory rod bearings at 100k and were in good condition still. Throttle actuators replaced by previous owner with now lifetime warranty. Still feels tight when driving and as new inside. Pull the trigger, you won’t regret it. PS: there is one E93 M3 for sale in the UK with 260,000 miles... they are reliable.

[@philippegelinas3083]

Not a fan of the new BMW design and size. It's so heavy it's far from the old E30 & E36 M3 which are my favorites! Less tech, less weight, better looking and more fun to drive!

[@kennyphun1946]

Im gonna start after market grills for these cars, I’ll be rich lol. I’m sure aftermarket companies already making them

[@Japplesnap]

Yes, there are already several good designs out there.

[@benhogervorst]

I notice the small additions of more cinematic shots and some clipping for gaps in the video. I think it draws a very nice line between keeping the spirit of the One Take and modernizing. Also really enjoying the Matt/Zack combo reviews. Keep up the good work guys!

[@chrislundin2943]

I like the dimension quiz game. Do it more often.

[@ronan7812]

Great review. The fact it's bigger than an M6 is crazy. I was at the dealers today and the M8 was on display. I had to do double take to see what the fuck it was. Thaught it was a new M6. I can't keep up. They all look the same. But of course that doesn't matter. The car market has changed so much in the last 20 years. Now almost all new cars are on some form of a leasing agreement. People are paying more than their mortgage to "borrow" the next best car for 2 years and then just swap for the next one. Who buys a new car these days? I'll stick to my E46 M3 thank you very much.

[@vWaLLBangz]

Your comment is still ripe a year later

[@sambower5544]

Wait, what is Matt referring to with the E90 comment? The heavy V8?

[@NoNamesLeft388]

Probably

[@greatcolor]

I don't the think the weight of the E90 was due to the engine, pretty sure that S65 V8 was lighter than the S54 I6 in the E46

[@brianj7787]

He said the M3 always benefitted from having an Inline 6 and more room for it's suspension, except of course the E90 which was V8

[@sambower5544]

@@brianj7787 Oh, watching back you're spot on.

[@EmanAugust]

I miss tha e90 m3 V8

[@XR4turbo]

Thumbnails are looking good. Clear distinct typeface, TST logo, consistency. Nice. At least on my setup, the white border on the thumbnail is a bit thin. The one you did for the Mazda3 seems to be the right thickness.

[@RavTokomi]

Hopefully the S58 ends up in an M2 model before too long.

[@Matthew-nl9kd]

And a DCT instead of the ZF auto I hope...

[@slothprophet]

the engine sounds great compared to the old m4 in my opinion!

[@mnoovurvi]

@@Matthew-nl9kd Manual. The DCT is gone.

[@sp4nrs]

Matt, here in NZ the clutch is still a thing. But I suspect you know this. Manual cars still fetch a premium. The third pedal isn’t dead! Also bring back the one takes, or come down to NZ again and see what we are running. We should start a givealittle to get you to Leadfoot festival. You’ll love it

[@chrisdafurz]

Stop suggesting the M2CS! They're selling out fast and I still haven't won the lotto yet 🥺

[@DougisFresh999]

You guys definitely got the coolest/unique press car of the auto youtubers, manual m4 with ceramics and the color combo 🔥

[@Thee_Dr_Evil]

A face only a mother could love...

[@NikoMoraKamu]

I would have liked to be at the bmw meeting in which they decided to call the 3 door car series 4, that day the m3 lost its life

[@Fizzer99]

Best M3 was the e92. (IMO)

[@MidnightEvora]

E46 was peak M3, IMO. But E9X was an excellent follow-up, and definitely comes in at #2. Either way, both are leaps better than the modern supertanker M-cars

[@pope400]

BMW are simply building better commuter cars. Everything should be getting faster and more powerful, more confidence inspiring and more agile. Something like the M4 is just an example of a regular car that's better than the one before it. When BMW try and tell their customers that the M badge means there's an experience attached to the markup, they're selling the idea in a lazy way. It's easier to give your driver a bunch of modes so that they can become the chassis engineer, or dyno engineer and so on. BMW, and many other companies are passing that effort on to customers and I for one am beginning to get sick of the car that can do everything. "The ultimate driving machine. If you push these buttons, and these buttons... Oh, and the M button, and you have to adjust the brake sensitivity...And..."

[@beneten6462]

Matt’s comments on the looks of the car couldn’t be more spot on. This is the ugliest BMW ever made in my opinion.

[@dane458]

Happy with my F80 M3 😁

[@benjaminstuart8626]

Who's the guy in the orange shirt hiding back there haha

[@hamsterbrigade]

I can't wait to see how BMW reliability holds up with all those heat exchangers all over the place.

[@jasoncapell7745]

Looks like a Mustang, just costs twice as much

[@samchisholm2088]

Is the engine sound being pumped into the cabin at all? If not, the sound is spectacular. They finally worked out that unequal length exhaust sound issue that plagued the F generation it would seem.

[@DavidJCarrell]

This car looks great in the 2 grey colors that are offered. And the front license plate breaks up the grill. Love the interior and the rear and side views. I’m seriously looking at getting one and jumping off of the C8 list.

[@MrMeoow91]

Why does it look like a Mustang from the side.