The new car buyer 'build date' trap (& how to avoid it) | Auto Expert John Cadogan

[@garyvee6023]

This is probably the most important vid I have seen in a very very long time, thanks John.

[@daveblock1688]

Provided it is the proper model year, which is the determining factor of resale value not the build date, and you confirm the equipment list I do not see where the build date is relevant.

[@Superfly1503]

Dave Block you a car dealer? Every time I’ve traded a vehicle in they want to quote the build date and not the model year.

[@daveblock1688]

@@Superfly1503 No, but I follow the market and a few particular cars test driving some and have never ever heard the build date mentioned here in Retardistan.

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@daveblock1688 Depends who is buying I suppose. I would happily accept an older model in better condition or lower Ks if buying second hand. But as noted here when trading, a dealer will use the age to get a discount. The other fair point, is how long the car h as been sitting. Cars are made to move - let them stand for a time and you end up with a host of other premature failures. Seals need to remain lubricated, rotors can rust up etc. Ask any mechanic.

[@garfieldsmith332]

This is a very common issue. I worked at a financial institution and there was always a disagreement with dealers on what is a new and used car. At a certain time in the year vehicles rolled over into the used category (via the black book). To the dealer the car was new, but to the us the car was used even with zero KM on the odometer. Loans were rejected because the amount of the loan was more than the value of the "used" car and we would not finance it. There were even cases of two year old vehicles that the dealer was trying to pass off as new. Good for the customer as he found out. Even have one dealer "sell" a card and financing was not approved. Six months later the dealer sent in a loan request on the same car and marked the car as new. Even though it had not been titled, it had sat another six months on the dealers' lot and he stilled tried to pass it off as new. Lots of sneaky things dealers tried to do and hope the financial institution would not catch them. They also sent loan finance requests to several places to try and ensure at least one would approve the loan.

[@notathome13]

John nail it - when purchasing the car ask for stock to be allocated before signing the contract, - they will need to add the vin to the contact. ask for a copy of (photo) of compliance tag up front and confirm details. Any dealer who says it is to hard, walk away as you are playing car sales roulette with you.

[@cheapcharlie7]

notathome13 Your comments are only valid for a vehicle already in stock and or in the country. An ordered vehicle may not yet have been produced

[@Equiluxe1]

@@cheapcharlie7 When I purchased a new vehicle in 2018 not only was I given the vin number before it even reached our shores but 12 weeks before it landed I was also given a choice of reg numbers I could have as the dealers are allocated a group of such reg numbers and as I was first in line on the new batch I got to choose.

[@simoncrooke1644]

Thanks John for your continuing pearls of wisdom on car buying and how to avoid the booby traps set by car dealers. They really are beyond the pale.

[@gazzafloss]

The more you look into buying a new car, the more appealing it becomes to keep the old one you already have.

[@An.Individual]

certainly the impression this channel wants to give

[@toveryonder1115]

I wonder why "new" cars haven't been selling for years now. could it be that they are all awful and don't meet consumer demand? no, car companies tell consumers what they demand right....

[@ahmadghosheh3104]

You will be surprised how your old car looks and drive after a full maintenance and a complete detail job.

[@antone.henderson]

I got burned with this one only once. Thereafter I included that the car must have a build date of no more than 6 months before delivery. I did take a vehicle outside this criteria with a healthy discount it was13 months old. Thanks for the enlightenment. Regards Tony

[@crazysithslave]

What kind of discount did you get due to the breach? Could be great for people to know 👍

[@antone.henderson]

Cash value about 4% + mats tinting all the usual junk and 1st real service free.(12 month). PLUS most important a full size spare. Hope that helps. Regards Tony

[@crazysithslave]

@@antone.henderson cool 👍

[@jcr65566]

I cant thank people enough. for the help I got for this. And expressly thank you to you john On other sits It was explained to me by other you tubers that even though the build date for my Nissan Qushqai was Sept 2018 The nissan warranty on this nissan Qushqai or any other car sold by a dealer. Are when the Dealer put there dealer Vin number transfer stamp on the passengers side door post. In this cast it is August 2019. I was told no mater what date the car was built on The modal and new car warranty for this or any other new car sold by a dealer starts from that point on. Thanks again Guys

[@nissan1580sx]

i made a purchase in 2017 and was fortunate that i got one that was in transit to Straya (i got it in June). only thing they messed up was that i wanted parking assist (didn't have it and they didn't fit it prior to delivery). other than that i got the nearest thing to a freshly built car. next vehicle (s) i'll be purchasing, i'll be sure to employ the same principles you just mentioned on this video.

[@daveg872]

These are subtle, but surprisingly important nuggets of information. Thanks for sharing Mr. Cadogan.

[@anomamos9095]

A new car is second hand the second you buy it and you lose ten or more percent that instant before even driving it off the lot. If you truly want to save money on a new car don’t buy one build one. Find an older vehicle that suits most of your needs then spend some money at a good mechanic to have it brought back to new and even upgraded. An auto trimmer could totally renew the interior to your liking also. You then have a reputable insurance company value and insure the vehicle for replacement cost. So instead of getting a new old vehicle you will renew an old vehicle and all the local business will love you for it. This is true recycling.

[@Superfly1503]

Anom Amos for 99.99% of buyers this is the most useless information ever. I get what you’re saying but the reality is no one has that kind of time and or money just lying around to fiddle with a car you just bought before you can even drive the damn thing. It’s just illogical.

[@anomamos9095]

Superfly1503 . I bought a classic but somewhat maligned vehicle at auction for one tenth of it original sale price it happens to be in excellent running condition but even if it wasn’t what I plan to do to it would fix it anyway. Even if I didn’t do any of the work myself the total cost of all work would still come in under the original sale price and I would have a very very nice vehicle that would last another twenty years before it needed any work again and it would still be a better investment than a new vehicle. I plan on doing an engine swap and wiring upgrade the two things that let the vehicle down, this will cost if I go all out with the best of everything just under thirty thousand dollars add another five for refreshing the brakes etc and I will have a new vehicle with a drivetrain warranty for just under forty thousand. Market value will only be twelve thousand but it will look and drive like the hundred thousand dollar vehicle it originally was. And I still have my daily driver while waiting to finish the project. I’m saying if you’re going to waste money on a car try and get some enjoyment or a bit more value out of it before flushing it.

[@matthinge789]

@@Superfly1503 If you don't have the time & money to buy a used car, how will you have time & money to buy a new one?

[@julianbaker1]

Gold John, gold!! 👍🏻 Buy on compliance, sell on build...SNAP...got you. Three things: 1. Build date, 2. Model year, & 3. Compliance date. Need to understand all of them and how they will effect you.

[@lesjohnson7850]

My last purchase was the exact reverse, car was advertised as third quarter 18 build and discounted accordingly. Upon inspection prior to purchase the compliance plate showed April 19 and below it the build plate showing Jan 19 build. Yes a considerable saving( in excess of 12k) was enjoyed due to someone making a stuff up.

[@trevorgibson-poole3945]

Thanks, John, and batteries too in this hybrid age, worth remembering. Cheers from the UK.

[@taikobasher]

I wish a saw this video a year ago, I bought a zero klm ex demo, was registered in 2017 to be used a demo but never used, still had all the shipping security stickers on it when they first bought it round, sold a 2017 in Dec 2018, turned out the build date was 2015, so i have a one year old new that is now 5 years old,

[@bdw66]

Mitsubishi Lancer, case in point. Hasn't been made since 2017, and there are still never registered examples available.

[@AussieDazza]

Great video John. You will save buyers thousands on new cars. Err, hang on, you do that already.👍

[@john1092]

John provide a Great in sight into the slum bag industry called new car sales. Should save many people sleepless nights and anger by avoiding being screwed over by these predators

[@pedrotheswift5937]

Its an amazing sight, just off the Gateway Arterial near the Airport in Brisbane, entire fields of new cars,, just resting.

[@SunRise-ul7ko]

My 2016 Commodore was manufactured the same month & year I had it delivered.

[@Pretzil43]

I had the opposite issue. Was buying a brand new pajero GLX last year, was promised a 2019 build model. But when it arrived in August it was a build date of April 2019, but with the "updated" MY20 features, so no factory privacy glass or 18" alloys, both features we wanted. But it was hard to argue when we were getting a car that must have been pretty much fresh off the boat for their clearance price.

[@mikejung3908]

As always so imformitive and very true, thank once again John👍

[@sevenpointfive5450]

This advice also applies to the uk, you have to watch the shifty barstalls

[@leohurstman8492]

Nice, gonna buy Mazda CX 9 today, Im glad I watched this.....thanks John

[@carlosedwardos]

In USA - the 2019 models begin to be manufactured in 7th or 8th month of 2018 - so it would be quite normal for the first 4 of 5 months of the new model year car to be built in the previous calendar year - also in 'Murica - the 10th digit of our VIN number definitively specifies the model year of the car, the build date is not really relevant except in the case of ordering parts, if there was a running change in part fitment, midway in the model year.

[@Slicerwizard]

Irrelevant. Those vehicles aren't being sold two years after they're made.

[@jamesplotkin4674]

@pete smyth So, by your impeccable logic, a car manufactured in December of 2019 cannot be sold as a 2020.

[@dennislaur2515]

GM's new model change over date the second week of July.

[@cheapcharlie7]

@burrito rustler What you are referring to is known as a vehicle model year (MY). Here John is referring to production and compliance dates.

[@derekhobbs1102]

Nissan/Datsun model year changeover was October.

[@leedaq7767]

I been looking for a new car recently and each one of the dealers have explained the cars are built a few months before and shipped to Aus. If you ask a certain built date on a new car, you will need to wait at least few months. Unless you are building around end of the year

[@markmay184]

Yep, I brought a “new” Ford BA RTV CC back in Nov 2005 (build date Oct 03). RRP was $41K. I scored it for $30K and a free aftermarket HD tray - I’m still driving it today, happy days 😀

[@Levenstone132]

Back in '81 I was doing some work in a Fprd dealer here in 'Brexittania' (👍good name John) There was a 'new' car getting a PDI.Turned out it was at least two years old,probably been sitting in a field somewhere.Mk. 2 Escort estate,in red.If it's still around age won't matter now though,old Fords seem to go for crazy money.

[@ttrjw]

The fun comes n years down the line when you strip the car down for major maintenance and the date codes show the vehicle is 2 years older than claimed. My father's 1974 Renault 16 had stuff with a 1972 date code... Discovered during an engine strip down.

[@magyar2000]

If a dealer says he'll do a full service on a car that's been sitting on his lot for a couple of years, how can you tell that he's actually changed the various fluids?

[@Dazzwidd]

Fair question, I personally would just wait longer if required, and get a car that's got a build date of under 6 months. That way you have got to be certain that all is well

[@greenriver520]

Look at the appropriate fittings...Ie. sump plug. Any spanner marks? No? Never touched. I got a refund on a so called wheel alignment by checking the camber bolts and tierod nuts. Clean as a whistle. Clearly not touched. Grubs.

[@oo0Spyder0oo]

dash cam, under bonnet cam, yes, it's got that way that we have to resort to this. Shonky bros service depts everywhere.

[@raymadani270]

well, I trust them 0%

[@lesliedsouza4077]

'Ere we go, again, John :) Kinda addicted to your shows (& Scotty Kilmer) - Theraputic? Have thoughts - Mostly covered by comments.... I've walked into car dealerships - Right on to That Spot - Marked X :) Like the song said - People are talking at me? Can't hear a word they're saying? See it in the shadows of their eyes? THEY seem watching the bullshit clock - Like they want to escort me Off the X-Spot - Off the premises? Wonder why? Had a kinda win in a used car yard. Bloke saw me drive in - Comes up, like - NO Trade or Cash for That! Calmed him down - It's NOT for trade or sale :) He shadowed me around, we talked - He explained that random persons walk in/ Knock off bits. I sympathised - Said I was looking for a job as a car salesman. Car dealers are proper sharp. Got a smile out of him :) Checked out a few cars. He came out to see my car start. Smiled again - Come back anytime :) I dunno John - I wouldn't know how to sell cars - Not that smart :(

[@IIGrayfoxII]

I got stung by this when I got my first new car. Went into the honda dealer in 2011 to order the civic hatch which got a facelift. Ended up getting a 2010, sure everything else was the same. When I get my next new car(most likely Mazda 3 with the PGCCI engine(when it comes out)) I will state the year I want.

[@jasoncarpp7742]

Two yrs. ago, I bought a two yr. old car. I bought a 2015 Dodge Dart Limited. I bought it in December of 2017. It had only 4500 miles on the clock, the lowest mileage of any car I'd ever purchased. A friend of my dad's was looking to sell it, since he was moving out of state, and asked if I wanted it. After driving it around town, I told him yes, that I would love it. My mum didn't think I should buy the car. She would've preferred that I bought a Toyota Corolla, A Subaru Outback, a Mazda CX5, etc. But I bought it, and I still enjoy it. Other than a few minor annoying quirks, it's never left me stranded by the side of the road, needing to call AAA.

[@lobsterwhisperer7932]

whats AAA?

[@jasoncarpp7742]

The American Automobile Assoc. If you live in the USA, it's who you call when your car breaks down, or you lock your keys in the car, and you need to get into the car, etc. So far (knock on wood), I've never had any such problems with my car.

[@steved6990]

When I was a Yamaha dealer, we would commonly uncrate a new motorcycle to find it 2 years old with no comeback to the manufacturer. The problem accelerated with the Howard gov franchise reforms. There will be no independent dealers for you to worry about anymore before too long . Just 2 or 3 large companies running the whole show. The only leverage will be the option no to buy

[@marcs4091]

Sound normal to me, if it's a 2019 Nissan then it hit the lot probably around August, September 2018. So that's like 3 or 4 months. Don't see a problem with that.

[@anthony75509]

Great video John!!! Definitely will help next time I go looking for a new car or second hand.

[@rogerpearson9081]

I never really thought about getting an old "new" car serviced before purchase, but it certainly makes sense and getting the dealer to do it is a good way of getting more value. And what exactly would you suggest as a hefty discount? With a few things covered like a service before delivery, its still a 0 k car so it would be a good deal if you got a big enough discount that covered its age especially if you clock up the miles so parts availability does not become an issue. I think I would rather buy a car that is popular enough to not have a couple of years backlog.

[@jayjays3592]

A bargain can also be had if you're not too fussed. I just bought a September 2018 build with December 2019 compliance plate for what I consider a bargain. I can definitely tell its been in storage in a shitty yard for the whole time but nothing a good detailer can't fix with somempaint correction, plus the 5 year warranty started January when I bought it, made sure thats in writing. Ill sell it before warranty runs out

[@Richarddc9]

Also make sure the vehicle has a new genuine manufactures battery fitted on anything over a year old.

[@TechnikMeister2]

When I was in the industry, the Compliance Plate was the measure of a cars age. And when that November or December plated demonstrator clicked over to January, it was a year older. No arguments. Lop 20% off the price. Thats because down the track when it came to trade in time, that determined its age. But now the waters have been muddied with thousands of cars produced months and even years before, languishing in holding yards and warehouses, the Build Date is also important. If that was more than 9 months earlier than the Compliance Plate, walk away. Lop another 10-15% off for that. Fortunately its easy to find these dates now. The build date plate used to be sneakily hidden, sometimes not even in the engine bay. Then came the Model Year designation. A MY019 (Model Year 2019) could mean a span of 18 months, but dealers still refer to it to sometime make a car appear to the uninformed to be younger that it really is. Its all so confusing and in dealer land, specially when the used car manager or wholesale manager is examining your trade in, he will probably take the oldest off all three measures to low ball your trade in offer. Thats the way it works.

[@alexgrant1979]

The Ford Cortina ended production in July 1983 and the last model to be sold was 2005 (yes 2005) so i guess it was a very old new car. That was in the Derby area I believe over here in the UK. The spare parts were probably stopped being produced when it was sold. LOL

[@dinger40]

Having worked in the Renault import yard Redbridge Southampton, many years ago, getting them off the ship and parking them up. it was not unusual to find in amongst the 15,000+ vehicles old ones .There were a few Savannas still there after 2000, they ended production in 1996

[@noelk6606]

Who should sign the contract? Salesperson, Sales Manager, dealership owner? Just want to be sure who the key person or people are at the dealership to sign this

[@donnikou1089]

Invaluable advice saving thousands, great video, love the satire!

[@jdgimpa]

Good video. Car salespeople are the same wherever you are. The way you can tell they are lying is that their lips are moving. I spent 45 years in new car dealer service departments and the salespeople would try to run their line of BS on me, in a attempt of getting something they had promised the customer for free, didn't work! I always advised my customers to look at the manufacture date on the door jamb. You are right about demanding a steep discount on a car that has been sitting for a extended period I also would demand that they replace the battery, if the car has been sitting over a year. It's no telling how many times it has gone dead from the parasitic losses while on the lot. Here in Retardistan they normally offer a discount at the end of the model year. The best car deal I ever made was on a 1989 that had been on the lot long enough to have a birthday. I knew how long it had been there going into the deal so there was no BS from the salesman about that. I told them how much I would pay for it and that was that the sales manager flopped around like a harpooned whale!

[@daveblock1688]

We all know, or should know, that new model years are introduced up to 6 months before the actual year via adverts. You then add the shipping and sitting time and it makes sense that a vehicle you buy could be built a year before purchase. As the value of the vehicle is based on the model year, not the build date, I see no malfeasance. I purchased my last new vehicle in a February with a build date of the previous September. No bearing.

[@Kyntteri]

Also one almost surefire way to actually get a recently built car is to choose colour for it, that's not as common as ground dirt. Popular boring choises are being over produced to meet the bulk of the orders coming in, so sometimes they build too much of them and you're more likely to get not so fresh sample of the car, you'd like. So don't be like everybody and get a... blue car. There are down sides to that though: Prepare to wait for you newly purchaced vehicle longer as they are not in stock and there's a risk that too daring colour has a negative impact on the resale value.

[@jonpav6224]

I think this may be an issue with some near new second hand cars. Build date a couple of years ago, with very low k's (10 to 20,000km) and in some cases prices are quite close to what you'd get new (with a fair discount). If they were already a year (or more) old when purchased "brand new" the market obviously sees them as even older when sold on, even with low k's. Not a fair situation if the original buyer paid something close to "brand new" street price. As John says, quite a bit can change between model months and years (features, warranty terms, etc). How can a dealer sell anything as new if older than current model and well under a year old? I have noticed some brands don't like to discount their old stock by much. Personally I've been told it's better to order and buy new rather than seek a decent discount on their current / older stock.

[@stevee8318]

"New" just means it has never been sold to an end buyer. There are several 2017 model years (no doubt built in 2016) sitting on a dealer lot near me being sold as "new"(albeit with significant discounts) and it's perfectly legal. You'd be crazy to buy one of these vehicles, because not only is it four years out of date, it has been sitting and rotting in an outdoor parking lot for four years with the engine probably having been started once in that time. New vehicles do have an expiration date.

[@AutoExpertJC]

New actually means 'not previously registered'. Un-driven demonstrators are not new cars.

[@gomezgomezian3236]

@@AutoExpertJC So those cars registered but just sitting on the showroom floor to 'scam up' the sales figures, cannot be sold as new. They are the un-driven demonstrators?

[@stevee8318]

Here in Retardistan I've always seen demonstrators or dealer loaners/taxis advertised in a separate category from "new" cars. A vehicle used as a demonstrator or used as service center loan vehicle can't be sold as "new."

[@camrunner6633]

Imagine though buying a new car manufactured in 2016, and 2021 the cambelt goes as it has reached its 5-6 year life but to you its only a year old

[@philmenzies2477]

@Timon Every "brand new", unregistered vehicle will have "some" km on the odo. Being moved around the lot, driven on and off a car carrier etc. Not many, but definately "some"

[@garvingray]

I think John missed one of his own recommendations in this video. Not only should you get a big discount if the dealer is trying to pawn their old stock on to you, but also you should bargain even harder if the car you are haggling over is 'in stock now'

[@EdgyNumber1]

The reason 'car supermarkets' exist here in the UK. Any unsold inventory gets discounted. The downside is that you have to accept the specification available.

[@christianguidarelli9194]

You are the Man John ,,, Thanks for that .....

[@donbishow5497]

A 1987 Buick GNX just sold for $200k with 8.5 miles on it and it was listed "New" at time of sale. It was never registered and sat on the dealer showroom floor for all those years.

[@liberty0758]

There's a huge difference between a brand new 1987 Buick GNX and, say, brand new 1987 Toyota Corolla.

[@americarsqueensland1667]

It seems to me that a new car or anything else is most commonly viewed as having never been put to work, it's unused. A car could be registered with only 1 or 2 k's on the odo (from being moved around during the course of shipping etc) and still be legitimately new.

[@sammyfromsydney]

John, have you ever bought a tech product like a router or camera? It doesn't matter how long it's been sitting there, it's going to be sold as new. In some cases a serial number is almost as good as a build date because you can track it down on the manufacturer's site (or worse, the S/N includes the date). The difference is few people spend $30k+ on a router and resale isn't a huge consideration. My point remains - it's certainly not just the car industry that does this!

[@BCNeil]

Pretty easy to see. We all know dealers start selling the next year model, in September-October. Yeah those were actually made a few months before that, and shipped around the world.

[@BryanTorok]

What about model year? In the USA, typically the next year's cars are on the show room floor around September and no later than October. Regardless of the build date, doesn't the build plate show the model year? And, the VIN has to be on the contract. The VIN will show you the model year if check it online.

[@GanGoz]

I always ask for the build and compliance date......my Dad got screwed on the trade in price, because his 1976 Kingswood was built in 1975. The motorcycle trade in Australia have been doing this for years. Many bikes sold as new have been sitting for years.

[@nbx2au]

Thanks John. I had that attempted with bike, but I was smart enough to take a pic of the unit I was allegedly buying. They tried to deliver something else after transplanting the tanks and side covers.Now it the first thing I check for, and record VIN numbers.

[@jamesplotkin4674]

I'd also argue that a car sitting for 2 or 3 years must have new tyres installed, as well, thank you.

[@philmenzies2477]

Why?

[@michaelkelly2688]

When buying new tyres they don't want to be manufactured more than 6months before your purchase same for battery both degrade

[@jamesplotkin4674]

@@philmenzies2477 Typically, it's suggested to replace tyres every 6 years, so these will have half their life spent sitting, not rolling. Sun rot, too.

[@thericesquad]

@@philmenzies2477 Really. Shows how ignorant you are. But I will forgive if you are young and naive. If you are old you are a lost case.

[@cmdrmunster5879]

Also, the tyres will develop a flat spot, where they've been stationary, holding the weight of the car.

[@derekhobbs1102]

I had a 69 Datsun 1600, but it was first registered early 71. It was a strange rare galvinised body with extra holes in it. I suspect it was imported intended to be a rally car, but never used.

[@nebonit]

What would you say is reasonable cut off the price for an older but still 'new' car?

[@AdamSmith-nl5be]

Always helpful, John! Thanks!!

[@john1092]

If you buy a new Ford or Holden you are pretty sure of getting a 2017 or 2018 model due to the shit box they are. They might even throw in a Beoing 737 max 8 to help them move old stock.

[@qbenalzaeen2052]

Cars made overseas can take a couple of months to arrive in Australia, and another few months to work themselves through the system. If its a new model you wont have to worry about there being obsolete stock, but you wont get such a good price. if you intend to keep the car a long time, an older build will save you heaps if you negotiate hard, and resale won't be an issue if you don't sell it for a few years. But really the law needs to be clearer about what constitutes a "new" car. Obviously not too many 2020 build cars around yet but a Jan 2019 build is not the same as Dec 2019 build new car.

[@pcwallybower]

Great advice(again!)

[@benjaminkline4855]

This happens with implements to. Funny how the manufacturer warrenty starts when it's delivered to the dealer. Not when the customer buys it.

[@markharvey18]

Also, when you do get delivery of your "new" vehicle check what model year the dealer has put onto your registration papers. If they put 2020 build on the paperwork as opposed to say 2018 there are possible ramifications. Insurance companies care about these things, as would the RTA with the requirement to have cars (pink slip) inspected after so many years of age. Nobody cares when the car was first registered as opposed to its actual age. Plate clearance vehicles should be about 20% cheaper than new stock, that is your first years depreciation in value. Doesn't matter if you get the car you want for the price you want to pay, and plan on keeping it for 10 years. But definitely does matter if you only keep them for a few years.

[@farnthboy]

Good point regarding RTA requirements here in NSW.

[@Snowz88me]

Thanks John - Just also wanted to know the expected kilometres you would see on a new car, is anything less than 10 expected or is 200 just ripping us off as they used it for a test drive ?

[@robertlangham2356]

Great advice JC. This genuinely happened to me with a UK Nissan dealer (UK) in 2010 and I learned an important lesson that day. Practically ALL people involved in selling & maintaining cars are sorely tempted to lie and cheat and will tell you whatever BS they think they can get away with. DO NOT take a single word they say on trust. 3 months ago while looking at an Audi for my wife, the salesman told me "Look guys, I'm on your side" before quoting me the full list price.....what a total w@nker. No sale.

[@shanewrightson3838]

I noticed RAM are marketing there 2018 model rams as 2019/2020 RAMS but I guess they havnt really said they are 2019 models it's only implied. The new look 2019+ models look alot different than the 2018's.

[@timothycc711]

RAM is actually building the old body style concurrent with the new ones and designating them as RAM Classic. Not sure on price difference.

[@shanewrightson3838]

@@timothycc711 really? The new shape is so much better and better tech inside ,aswell as more leg room for back passengers. I will have to go check at our local with the build date as they just put them up 5k this year........cheers for that 😃😃😃

[@timothycc711]

@@shanewrightson3838 the new Ram is so much nicer inside but I guess they can sell the classics cheaper. This is the first time a manufacturer is doing this to my knowledge. I mean it makes sence they have the older facility in a different location building the classics.

[@shanewrightson3838]

@@timothycc711 cheers heaps for the boost in knowledge bro. I'm really keen on one but was just abit iffy with the whole reason why they don't look like the ones on you tube for that year

[@derekhobbs1102]

Mitsubishi had a huge yard full of Magnas sitting there next to the Tonsley factory, they seemed to be there for years.

[@9up9up9up]

John, can you do a video on diesel catch cans? Are they worth installing?

[@patricksoos674]

John Have you got an update on where all those old Commodores that Holden had went ?

[@niceviewoverthere4463]

Good question. The Insignias are quite good things but as far as I can tell, they only imported automatics to Oz, which is why I wouldn't have one.

[@bigfella6629]

@@niceviewoverthere4463 I wouldn't have one full stop.....lol

[@bigfella6629]

@pete smyth I would not touch a German built car period, reliability and quality has been going down the tube for the last 30 odd years.

[@jashugg]

Niceview Overthere ... yes I drove a 2 litre diesel manual around the UK, it would be ideal for Oz

[@mfrtech3857]

Thank you for the info...👍

[@miloradtrandafilovic6466]

Thanks John. Veru useful info. Cheers.😊

[@joemomma3572]

Good video!! Very informative!

[@mixed466]

Great info

[@noisynobody]

1. Get the VIN's of the stock they're offering, go home and look the VIN's up online. Or even better depending on brand (mostly American and European brands), plug the VIN into Prixcar's vehicle tracker and you can see exactly when it landed at the docks and got trucked to their holding yard. 2. Be so STUBBORNLY particular about the colour, engine, transmission & features that the dealer has to submit a factory order for you. That way you'll know it's brand new (Sure it will take 4-5 months till delivery though lol)

[@jackabubba]

ARGH shit. Just bought a May 2018 ex demo Navara, sold as a 2019 model. Thanks John, if you'd made this video a week ago I might not of been so keen to sign that golden dotted line. If you would like to offer condolences, hit me up on the reply button... for that!

[@Noah_E]

It sounded to me like the person asking the question doesn't understand how model years work. I've bought over a dozen cars and only one had the same model year and DOM. X model years hit dealer lots four or five months before X calendar year starts. My XJ Cherokee was the exception because it was custom ordered in a Wrangler color not offered on off the lot models.

[@Kevin19700]

Excellent!

[@Brightstarlivesteam]

The trouble is that they will charge you the current list price, regardless of what the price was when the car was built.

[@bigjoeangel]

I bought a brand new Ryzen 2700X processor last month, it's not the latest but it's a new, sealed in box product. Because it's not the latest and greatest I got a good deal on it because AMD wants to shift the excess stock. I'd expect to get a good deal on new car that was almost 2 years old for the same reasons.

[@rogerpearson9081]

The dealer wants to sell you the NEW car for new price and then at trade in time " well its an "X" year manufactured model ,thats the price we will give you and stop crying because of the shaft sticking out your rectum. The good old double dip. I think John put it best, " A second hand car with 0 kilometres" which is how I would be thinking about it if I was going to buy an older stock car.

[@dougstubbs9637]

Simply use this stuff to your own advantage. The Minister for War picked up a luxury one built Nov 14, delivered up Aug 17, stored indoors and $18,600 cheaper. Rego, free servicing, in the deal, no extra costs like pre delivery. One final price, treated like a cash transaction, stay the you know what away from dealer financial services. My advice, go in low and maintain a good squirrel grip until eyes water, remembering that the dude wearing the tie isn’t really human, but is a vacuum sucking out your bank account.

[@davidrayner9832]

I've known about this for ages but just as a hypothetical, what if a Ford dealer has a 1971 XY GTHO Falcon that'd never been sold or registered and with 0 miles on the clock. Given that they sold for around $5,700, adjusted for inflation to whatever that would be in today's money, how much should you pay for it?

[@Cheepchipsable]

I've read that extra feature has virtually no impact on resale value.

[@jcr65566]

I fell in to this trap. My wife and I are both pensioners At 67 Im still 180 cm tall So I cant fit in to a small car Also I have bad knees I need an auto But Im just to old now to repair cars. So we realy needed a new car. Though we own our own house. Our bank refuse to lend us any money The only place we found we could get a lone was Nissan finance. But they told us The most we could borrow to buy a car was $270,000.00 At 7.5 % interest. But the cheapest car nissan had that we needed. was in the $29,000.00 price range So we thought There no way we could buy a new car As we went to get up and leave Nissan told us they had a demo for $27, 000.00 So on 6 Jan 2020 bought a 2019 st Demo Nissan. It was suppose to be a 2019 demo Nissan Qashqai ST that was suppose to have only 31000 klm on it. But after we bought it We had to sign a new contract As it had 45000 klms on it. And to top it off We later found it was manufactured in Sep 2018.

[@tundramanq]

The honest labeling would be NOS - New Old Stock. My big concern would be the fact that everything "not metal". Plastics and rubber regrade from the day they are made.

[@DavidSmith-ee6df]

“ plate expectations” lol well done

[@jun2611]

Not only Holden, I think most of the car manufacturers have really old stock. I have seen BMW selling their 2 years old M3 with 10km as a new car. Vehicle check n engine oil change service light already ON, wat does the dealership do abt it? Reset it.

[@robertsomerville5377]

How come you have to meet time interval services , if they can miss 3 services while the car sits in a holding yard before sale? The car magically is ok with sitting for 2 years.. But if you go over on a service interval you're told you will void warranty & they increase service charges.

[@rosemarywright9485]

You are... Bloody Brilliant!

[@TC-yx2ss]

I thought new just meant unused.Don't know never had one.

[@jeffthomas6139]

Was the actual car "sold" to the dealer as you have mentioned in previous video's (most dealers have paid for the car to have them on the lot)

[@regmason5611]

Hi John, love your Work thanks, appreciate this is all about new car purchase but, I have a question regarding Recommended Valuation used in Ads when buying a secondhand vehicle. Most ads refer to Red Book as the source, but one never knows where it is based on the Build date or when it was Purchased. Question is what are your thoughts and advice on this and how good is Red Book any other alternatives. Many thanks in advance.

[@phillipevans9414]

Reg Mason. Used car values are always based on "build date". Redbook (and the like) are a rough guide only for vehicles in good condition as a starting point - any issues (chipped windscreen, worn tyres, incomplete service records, cosmetic damage/wear, fluid leaks, and even how dirty it is, reduces this value).

[@glocke380]

Don't forget you can find the build date on the drivers door or post.

[@jamespn]

Just look on the door jam for the build date then decide what you’re going to pay.

[@seanellery3374]

The dealer where I recently bought my new car still has a 2018 Mazda 6 GT on the lot that is a 'new' car... they've knocked off about $5000 from the sticker price and were willing to go another $2500 for me, but I bought a Mazda 3 instead. Meanwhile 2 months later that GT is still there...

[@steamroller231]

Same as some brand new 2018 camaros down the road in sydney. Wonder how much discount they would offer to get rid of those dogs😭.

[@reeceoconnorryan6281]

Hey mate I've got a questgion. I'm looking at the Subaru liberty 2.5i 5 Gen AUTO's models in between 2010 - 2012. I'm going to go for one around 100,000/ks roughly and want to no if the cvts hold up in them or not. But If I where to get one I'd like to change the cvts oil asap but not sure if it's a good idea to even do that. Are they As unreliable as Nissans CVT?? A bit lost on what to do. Trying to make a good decision.🙂 Thanks in advance and I live in the Gold coast aus

[@matthewblack5656]

Your videos really really make me want to buy a new car. But, I'm not as cheap as Scotty but I'm still cheap. I'll never do it.