The NEW F-15E Is A PROBLEM

[@goldfishPACIFIER]

Now lets make sure to remind gaijin that, artificially nerfing flight models isn't the way to go, but decompression and upping the br is.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Or at least not nerfing further UNDERPERFORMING aircraft. Mig29/Su27 buff when?

[@adrianfolstad4925]

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907never apparently

[@kurnass2000]

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 if gajin is okay with USA mains quitting because they are garbage at the game

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

That’ll never happen

[@goldfishPACIFIER]

I’m down for straight up vehicle breaking nerfs if it’s realistic and is applied to all planes that have it in real life, what I am not down for nerfs that the devs think feels like instead of going for factual manuals n stuff. This is also the same reason why I just don’t like the idea of classified planes getting into the game because there’s no doubt gaijin is just gonna free Willy those flight models.

[@mattv9989]

I love how this monster can face standard mig 29s, f16s and the f14a early. Gaijin really needs to do more br decompression

[@mainhalo117]

Skill issue tbh

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

⁠​⁠@@mainhalo117you’re delusional buddy

[@specc_s1452]

​@@mikeyplayzwrld No. This dude is in space. All you gotta do is launch a Pheonix or R27ER and you're good. As for the F-16, idk

[@alphacentaurivenus8037]

​@@specc_s1452 i think you are also delusional

[@SuperHormet]

@@mainhalo117skill issue for not wanting to face modern day fighters on a jet that has little to no RWR functionality, low amount of flares, crap missiles yet it’s still a skill issue for them, get real

[@elkrumb9159]

We have finally achieved Ace Combat status

[@CarolusR3x]

People with their annoying habit of having Ace Combat expectations in War Thunder.

[@THEGTA1890]

​@@CarolusR3x I really do CAS in GRB with my F-16C Trigger skin and AC7 OST and is fun af

[@elkrumb9159]

@@CarolusR3x I don’t see the problem Plus Ace Combat is a completely different game

[@152mmapfsds]

​@@CarolusR3xnobody said anything about expectations you just wanna be upset :(

[@R0ZEN7]

"15 years ago, there was a war"

[@returnofblank]

close enough, welcome back SR-71 blackbird

[@SimplySinful]

Ahh, yes, welcome back, MiG-31

[@pouletbidule9831]

pookie

[@Insanewertv]

Real.

[@zehi04]

poopie​@@pouletbidule9831

[@102ndsmirnov7]

When are we getting the actual MiG-31 and 25, they wouldn't be meta but they would be really cool to have.

[@watershot5941]

Mig-31 is better because its actually doing good in Ukraine unlike the Mig-25's that haven't done good in any wars.​@@102ndsmirnov7

[@The_Hutske]

Big issue with the f15E right now is that It doesn't show up on enemy RWR as f15. Just as a "?". Because it has no entry yet on the RWR table. So everyone have fun with it cause this 5 min of work is gonna take them 2 months And this is so stupid cause they did update the RWR table for the V004 of the su34 but they didn't do it for the F15E?

[@Mannskas]

its a ? because gaijin thinks that those specific RWR wouldn't be able to identify it... which is dumb and just wait for some bug reports to fix it

[@The_Hutske]

@mattin5850 nah it's just lazy. They did the same when the Jf17 and J10A came out. They were also just a "?" They just fixed them with this update.

[@СергейНикольский-я2ц]

@@Mannskasno, it happens every time new vehicles are added, M4K, F-15A, F-15J, Baz, F-15C, F-16D, J-10A they all were shown as “?” on RWR’s (J-10A still isn’t fixed), and it took a few weeks for each vehicle to fix

[@TangiersIntrigue]

Spaghetti code lol

[@geeno_ms5233]

do you actually know that the AN/APG-70 uses X-Band right? most RWR in-game cannot detect nor identify X band mate.

[@GeneralArmchair]

Instructions unclear, equipped 30000000lbs of bombs and now gaijin's statistics suggest that the F-15E needs a lower BR and some itallian plane needs a BR nerf.

[@Floopuss]

Who needs chaff when you can just turn around 😂and

[@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze]

Lore accurate F-15

[@Bogeyatyour6YT]

I was doing this in DCS in the F-14 vs Su30 before it was cool

[@majorlogi5212]

at this point just give us 15.0br

[@cookiecracker2]

PLEASE! gayjin acts like it'll be the end of the world if they up the BR cap a full BR in 1 update. but we all know it's cause it doesn't benefit their bottom line. MONEY

[@infusedj9498]

i was calling for 15.0 a year ago. we need at least 16.7 now.

[@Floopuss]

@@cookiecracker2 “Ohhh but it will make queue times longer and people won’t want to play.” Yes we will, we will wait an additional 10 seconds in queue to have a more fun and balanced game.

[@cookiecracker2]

@@Floopuss heck I'd wait 10 minutes if it meant I got actually enjoyable matchs!

[@derbyjr]

Biblically Accurate F-15

[@kurnass2000]

the f15 if it fought a competent enemy ↘

[@meesamkhan4767]

​@@kurnass2000 silence juden. the f-15 will not be slandered

[@Optimusprime56241]

@@kurnass2000 Russia is anything but competent

[@derbyjr]

@@kurnass2000 yes if it fought anything made by the US or the Eurofighter Typhoon MAYBE. But if it takes aircraft from the country that literally invented the airplane and have since perfected it, or a jet that is one of the most maneuverable 4th Gen aircraft on the planet… you see the problem? Nothing can touch the F-15

[@beetlusjuicus4013]

@@kurnass2000well they did fight 29s over the desert

[@ClankerWanker]

American main here: keep eagle the same, buff the flanker. Gaijins physics engine models only a static lift coefficient which means aircraft like the flanker which have a higher lift at higher AOAs aren’t turning nearly as well as they should in game. A few barely legible russian EM diagrams and a couple of force diagrams later you’ll figure out that yes the flanker will bleed speed due to drag, but in a turning fight, the vertical force of lift actually helps the aircraft retain speed in a rate fight. Meaning it loses way too much speed. Anyways yes keep the eagle the same, buff the flanker. Also the f16c does need a buff, it simply isn’t getting the rate speeds it should but I can’t cite my sources or even give a specific number bc NATO RESTRICTED so I doubt gaijin will fix that

[@annguyenlehoang7779]

bruh u are a rare breed around here . all US main i saw saying this F15 is not strong enough lets bring F-18 and F22 in the table .

[@ClankerWanker]

@ it only takes a few US mains to give people that perception. Really not a lot of people think it need to be stronger from a game balance perspective. From a realism one maybe idk the stats on it well enough to argue there. But it is really strong enough

[@guvyygvuhh298]

Some german engineers calculated Oswalds efficiency coefficient for the mig 29 and su27, should be 8.2 for su27 and .85 for mig 29. Its .44 for both in game and the flight instructor severely limits the max aoe both of them can pull, with full realistic controls they turn into actual UFOs but the entire plane becomes a airbreak

[@FirstDagger]

2:35 "Missile Evasion" well that is new.

[@raketny_hvost]

and it's trash

[@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill]

​@@raketny_hvosthow?

[@Bad_Karma777]

@@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill its noob friendly, How long until an "enemies nearby" warning...? xD

[@raketny_hvost]

@@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill it takes screenspace just to tell you some missile exploded behind. it doesn't help at all especially in fact that you can get random rwr warnings and random missiles flying near you. it's just like spam messages

[@ickmototoickmototo7431]

@@raketny_hvost me when im retarded

[@felipedias4205]

Meanwhile germany has a f4 phantom as top tier

[@YuiB0918]

And a Fulcrum that’s doesn’t even has ARH

[@Rrares9]

fr it made me quit the game, grinded germany for nothing

[@rush_17]

@@Rrares9 Eurofighter soon tho , have faith

[@para_magnus2200]

they should just add the R77-1 to the SU34 and the SU27SM3 (when thats added) to compensate cause the -1 has a terminal stage booster which could hopefully make up for the capability gap.

[@somerandomboibackup6086]

It comes out in 2015, just buff the FM at this point

[@СергейНикольский-я2ц]

77-1 doesn’t have terminal stage buster, it’s 77M that has it. 77-1 has a sustainer though so it would help since it would have slightly more range than 77 (20% more range which is still around half a range of the 120A in game so it wouldn’t make it OP but put in a position like 7M vs 27ER rather than Aim-7E vs 27ER as it is rn)

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@somerandomboibackup6086do both honestly. It’s tiring having our stuff artificially nerfed.

[@somerandomboibackup6086]

@@mikeyplayzwrld why add the R-77-1 lol?

[@102ndsmirnov7]

@@somerandomboibackup6086 not buff, fix lol. Current Russian flight models are atrociously bleeding speed, same with the R-77.

[@bigmemer4398]

"its all subject to change" -Redditors and forum users We TOTALLY needed a better F-15

[@Julio_Tortillia]

I find it funny when people say "they will fix it before live server". Anyone who has played this game for more than 5 minutes knows thats not how it goes with gaijin. Thats how we got Su-25 at 9.3 with R-60Ms.

[@Optimusprime56241]

Yes we did 🦅

[@WastelandWanderer1216]

Inb4 F-15 S/MTD or ACTIVE

[@spamjosh6526]

Looks like I'm never playing sim against the americans again

[@weir-t7y]

Sim players when they have to notch, use terrain, or fly cold to defend a missile. Sim players when the f-15e is a good BVR fighter. I think Nuclear Option is more your speed. It's one thing to note that this thing needs a higher br, it's an entirely different thing to say you will never ever face this thing in a truly competing aircraft.

[@spamjosh6526]

@ i’m not a dumbass man, I use all of those methods and I’m already used to facing better aircraft. But when all other non-AMRAAM nations struggle with their fox 3s in sim, adding this broken and FAST vehicle will only makes things worse. I love my mirage, I do WELL in it. Yet, regardless of the mica’s potency in close range, getting within range of an F15C without getting smacked is already difficult. Just because something’s exists and can be better doesn’t mean it has to be BROKEN.

[@VllILE]

I bought an f5c and an a-10 early and I only play arcade with those 2 together

[@ThePointlessBox_]

@@weir-t7yyou have no idea what you’re talking about Sim is currently unplayable for redfor nations. Go check out the player counts. Redfor is outnumbered in every game and has worse equipment in every single field.

[@lazer2238]

@@ThePointlessBox_it’s been like that since the end of times. Gaijin doesn’t care about sim. I have a 97% win rate in the f16c after 200 matches and a 22% win rate in the su-27SM after 120 matches. I’m not sure what to say, keep it coming US mains, yall do inflate my KD in the 27. Zzzz

[@bluefox9436]

Honestly I'm gonna wait until the December patch drops before I start complaining because maybe they're actually adding a competitive set of planes that restore balance (my copium surely is strong)

[@lazer2238]

They are gonna give Germany another F4 ICE (Late) that has aim-9M instead of aim9 L(I)

[@Captain1991-]

F18, Typhoon, Rafale

[@Fadaar]

new 229 engines? christ almighty a good chunk of the US F-15E fleet has had them since the late 90's/early 2000's

[@Sukhoi_Su-34]

New in war thunder my guy

[@sevenshooter2987]

That's just not true, I was an engines tech and we still have jets running the 220s, this is recent as well.

[@Fadaar]

@@sevenshooter2987 yes im well aware i was stationed at Seymour. i was referring to the Lakenheath jets.

[@sisu3872]

​@@Sukhoi_Su-34these people are something else

[@CChiefmk3]

Bro if F-15E is that fast, imagine F-22, with lower drag and stronger engines, damn

[@sotilaskarkuri]

F-15E is not that fast irl. in WT it destroys the F-15 speed world record with a full loadout. its way too overtuned as it is

[@squadenjoyer]

​@@sotilaskarkuriprove it, im not saying youre wrong, im just curious

[@sotilaskarkuri]

@@squadenjoyer in the game F-15E can reach mach 2.8 but a quick google search will show you that its max speed was 2.46 mach.

[@ZombieEnthusiast69]

@@squadenjoyer nice try fedboy

[@Delta5x7]

​@@squadenjoyer FEDERAL AGENT

[@snails-slave_1]

Also if you havent noticed yet the F-15E can go over MACH 1 at deck...without afterburner

[@Zenitchik_130]

I would say F-15I is still better just becasue you don't need to grind whole damn US bomber line for it

[@xDerHunterHeli]

Im on the F-111A since yesterday, note that I havent grinded the Bomber line before I wanted all the top Tier fighters before that

[@Zenitchik_130]

@xDerHunterHeli it's not hard to grind by any means, but it is just annoying

[@xDerHunterHeli]

@@Zenitchik_130 got myself a tally for the Viper so I can have Bonus RP on Top Tier Jets Rank 7 and 8 bc im almost done exept for Bombers

[@evolking801]

Wait, the E is under the new f111????

[@evolking801]

​@@xDerHunterHeli?

[@INeatFreak]

Su-34 actually has more thrust on each engine, almost 12k on each, but it's a lot more heavier so it's not making use of it.

[@Scorchluck]

"Oh, they'll definitely fix it on Live! It will be fine!!!"" (they never did a fix)

[@marshall-yo5ho]

they would have to fix the engines performing like irl then ig if that's what you mean by "fix" an f15E without CFT's will be insane with the new engines no matter what

[@Scorchluck]

@@marshall-yo5ho 1.Check out the F-15I dev video on this channel, that's exactly what I meant. 2. Do you have an F-4S?

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@marshall-yo5ho i doubt they will gain speed while pulling 8Gs at mach 2 ?

[@marshall-yo5ho]

@@hemendraravi4787 the reason that happens is for a multitude of reasons, for starters, in most tests the jet is completely clean without CFT's, and another reason being that the jet literally barely maneuvers when going over mach 1.4, meaning it will keep much more energy Eitherway 8 G's at mach 2 relative to 8 G's below mach 1 is very different another reason for it pulling so few G's is because it's limited to a certain amount at high speed, try out the f11f which can also reach mach, if you turn it will bleed every once of energy because it's g limiter is MUCH less effective at stopping G pull

[@MessInMines]

People on the forum have to fight for every single little buff for minor nations, meanwhile the US gets this UFO flight model for free ? I'm officially done with this game.

[@BeerSougion]

@@MessInMines Do you have any historical insight in who dominated militarily the second half of the last century? If I can give a hint it starts with the U and ends with A.

[@Dawnst]

​@@BeerSougion Ugoslavia? I didnt know they were so powerful.

[@lazer2238]

@@BeerSougioncan I give you insight that this is a game and cocksucking one nation doesn’t make it fun. If a nation has been dominating irl doesn’t mean it should dominate in game.

[@mat05usz]

​@@Dawnst they thought they were when facing harmless civilians, then they weren't

[@d_daniel6263]

1:45 Mach Tuah ....Sorry

[@lamilanesa99]

I'm gonna turn you into a life sized skibidi toilet

[@Kumyar]

You should be sorry XD

[@Ryan-go6id]

MAWK TUAH

[@marshall-yo5ho]

speed on that thang, you get me?

[@lamilanesa99]

@@marshall-yo5ho Im making a real life skibbidi toilet w you

[@norske_ow3440]

All those delays, and it’s still as fast as an sr-71… also, everything that isn’t an f15 is impossible to get kills with at 13.7

[@marshall-yo5ho]

stop lying and say you are just garbage. within short to medium range, almost all fox 3's with higher G load than amraam will fuck over any US jet sr-71 can hold mach 3-4 and the f15E can hold mach 2.5 completely clean in a straight line

[@interpl6089]

@@marshall-yo5ho Nah. F-15s completely dominate and if the F-15 player is smart he can defeat anything under all circumstances.

[@leotsering]

​@@interpl6089nope not in dogfights against some planes

[@No_Feelings]

​@@leotseringall hail our lord and savior, the mirage 2000-5F. Mica go brrrrrrrrrr

[@leotsering]

@@No_Feelings yea an f-15 in a dogfights can only win in the first two turns before running out of energy 💀 Mirage f-16's and almost everything somewhat good in dogfights can beat an f-15

[@Tentacl]

Not like the F-15c was not already a problem. This game has been US thunder in ARB for a LONG time now.

[@hunterjones225]

"This game has been US thunder in ARB for a LONG time now." Except the F-15J(M) was better than it? Last i checked i havent heard it called Japan Thunder since the T-2K came out

[@Levi-pp8sq]

You play russia?

[@Tentacl]

@@hunterjones225 Because nobody plays Japan and grind is a thing. The same reason people are not talking nearly as much about the israeli F-15e. Do you even PLAY? Top tier has 2/3 US planes in each team.

[@GripenDeezNetz]

@@Tentacl this is exactly why it’s the problem. Every meta chaser is going to be in this jet. Not everyone plays Israel so it wouldn’t have been an issue

[@Tentacl]

@@Levi-pp8sq I play Russia, US, France, Germany and Sweden. And I'm tired of being forced to play nothing but US in ARB.

[@moery2435]

Another thing I'm noticing is that for some reason the F-15E pilot can pull 7 G's constantly and not blackout but in my Mirage 2000-5F if I try to pull 8 G's, I will blackout in not a very long time even with a maxed pilot....

[@michaels2331]

funny how this eagle gets an upgraded engine power but the mig29smt doesnt, ah yes gaijin

[@AZ-dj1ni]

Enjoy the Russian Bias

[@brunebos_]

And su27sm

[@GrundleLongDong]

Tbf thought I agree, the amount of engine power increase the smt wouldn’t change anything. The power difference between the 220s and the 229s is way larger

[@beetlusjuicus4013]

The smt does have the upgraded engines it’s just too damn heavy they should’ve added the mig 29m over the smt

[@michaels2331]

@@beetlusjuicus4013 well they did... "Although early MiG-29SMTs retained the old RD-33 engines, full-specification machines were to be fitted with more powerful Klimov "RD-43" engines with over 10,000 kilograms (22,000 pounds) afterburning thrust."

[@stanvandenadort4710]

How are you taking the AIM-120's without th hull conformal fuel tanks? i taught they were a must

[@SeekerHead]

No, they’re 2 separate options

[@miked815]

You know how to create custom loadouts right?

[@placeholder7213]

Ever since this update none of the enemy planes get spotted at all until they are about 4-5 km from me even if other teammate see it it doesn't spot it for the entire team anymore like before is this intended or a bug? I really dislike this change

[@SeekerHead]

Not sure but yes I’ve noticed, it’s atrocious for gameplay

[@placeholder7213]

@SeekerHead I tried looking for it in the patchnotes but it didn't mention it I have pretty bad eyesight so I usually relied on that I hope it's just a bug and it gets fixed tho I might not be able to play my favourite jets anymore if it's an intended jet lmao this is something I expect in sim but for rb it feels like too much :(

[@Ryan-go6id]

they should just implement proper DL

[@maxmax-lo7pj]

​@@placeholder7213WE will sadly have to use our radars ....

[@placeholder7213]

@maxmax-lo7pj I do try but recently I've noticed that the radar shows me radar targets inside the ground im not sure if it's a new thing but I've noticed it happen a lot after the update recently also as I said before I'm just saying this isn't how the game worked before

[@NLEFarquad]

So what I’m hearing is it’s a star fighter with a better turn time insane missiles and great ground pound? Yippee gaijin

[@skinnyboi810]

Boeing said that the max speed (no weapons) that they’ve gotten the vehicle to us Mach 2.9 in level flight. But I’m also not an engineer it seems to me that it’s kinda where it should be. But gameplay wise it probably needs to be nerfed

[@felipedias4205]

Thats in perfect test conditions, this guy is making full turns in an insane altitude and losing no speed

[@skinnyboi810]

@ yeah did you read my full comment?

[@watchmetry]

Man War Thunder has come so far. The last time I played a high tier match was a historical battles match in the F86, 11 years ago 😭

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

Hopefully, instead of nerfing the flight performance of the F-15E, they bring the SU-24 up to realistic standards. As well as every other aircraft around there.

[@v0id683]

Well in case a nerf is needed there is a real life limitation that could be applied. F-15E realistically never flies in combat without the CFTs so those should be perma added to the plane as extra drag. It would reduce the F-15Es performance a lot because of the weight and drag

[@daft9099]

​@v0id683 that's just as unrealistic as just nerfing the flight performance. I've seen the F15E without the conformal tanks fly irl, and whist not on a real offence mission, isn't realistic for the plane

[@v0id683]

@@daft9099 I did say that they must have CFTs on combat missions. In war thunder the only thing you experience is combat. I dont see how this is just as unrealistic. Its more realistic even

[@ФедорБаранов-ч5г]

What do you mean by bringing the Su-24 to realism?

[@hunterjones225]

@@v0id683 "F-15E realistically never flies in combat without the CFTs" WRONG

[@Yeeter_Inbound]

1:23 is that full elevator at mach 2? And it doesnt bleed ANY speed? That is wild.

[@Yeeter_Inbound]

@KurnassTwoThousand yeah im well aware. its still insanely good energy retention. i also havent touched war thunder in literally almost a year until very recently so i kind of forgot what it was like

[@thatoneguy1741]

Mig29M and J11B when gaijin

[@mainhalo117]

December probably

[@watershot5941]

Copy paste ahh

[@shikikanaz4624]

​@watershot5941 how is it copy paste. If that's the logic than the f15e is a copy paste f15c with better engines (which it literally is) and better ground ordinances. At least the j11b is more composites so it's lighter

[@maxmax-lo7pj]

MiG-29M is worse than SMT. We could get MiG-35 on december

[@killerwhale__]

Skip to the j16

[@extraintelligence]

This is where we enter the trouble with having the game include modern aircraft. The US has such a complete dominance in the field of air power that there's not really much that can reasonably challenge them. The F-15 was created to match the performance of an aircraft that only existed in the DoD's nightmares, with an end result of it becoming the nightmare of anything that dared to fly against it. They've introduced the F-117: if they included the F-22 or F-35, it would essentially become "press A to win" for US players.

[@cookiecracker2]

well if ANYTHING the mig-29 definitely needs a buff, and the su-27 could use a small energy retention buff too. Warthunder is such a trash heap right now tho, I mean mig29s and f-14As fighting this thing? WHAT A JOKE, they stand ZERO chance against a decent player.

[@Fatdog223]

Well r27er was "balanced" for 2 years and US player were just "bad" so I'm think you just have a skill issue

[@cookiecracker2]

@@Fatdog223 I played both US and russia, mig29 was one of my favorite planes. and no, the r27 was never balanced. if you compared the sparrow and the r27, there was no competition, r27 did everything better and if you had a sparrow you had to play very very defensive. the ONLY thing that as you say "balanced" it was bad players. if gayjin hadn't given someone with 1 minutes of play time in wt the ability to hop into a top tier match, and instead made it so only experienced players could get to top tier, then things would have been very very different. not all r27 users knew how to use it, and be defensive against sparrows, and vice versa. You may not remember it, but when the mig29 came out, it was dunking on EVERYTHING, if you were playing US, you were terrifed of the mig29 because you had to force him to waste his r27s, or just be on the deck and hide.

[@GeneralArmchair]

@@Fatdog223 Back during those days multipathing was so strong that short range Fox-2 furballs were the meta, not 27ERs.

[@TallyPatka-dz2cz]

​@Fatdog223 just fly low?, it was 100m multipath and now it is a aim 7m vs r27er but America with r27er and multipathing is insanely hard

[@KOTANIMEUWU]

@@Fatdog223 bezdar

[@Brzzzyexe]

are 120b's and 120a's functionally the same now? could've swore the 120b had a higher loft angle

[@SeekerHead]

Always have been identical

[@derpypotatos4610]

This needs to be at 14.3 or 14.0 at a minimum. If no BR increase then at least force carry the CFT permanently as part of the model.

[@hunterjones225]

"at least force carry the CFT permanently as part of the model." no such limitation exists IRL, why should it ingame?

[@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR]

The F-15E carries the CFTs as standard.

[@hunterjones225]

@@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR "The F-15E carries the CFTs as standard." For some mission sets, yes. Not on all. Why would it be forced to carry them ingame?

[@Optimusprime56241]

Ah yes the clear solution is an artificial nerf that doesn’t exist 🤦‍♂️

[@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR]

@@hunterjones225 Oh, I thought they carry it regardless of mission type?

[@ronalds.7065]

Not that it would make a significant difference, but due to the additional pylons the F-15E utilizes IRL, I think the conforming fuel tanks should not be removeable for it in-game. That would add a bit of weight and bulk to it and make it slightly less cracked and put it more in line with the other F-15s. Once BRs expand enough to compensate for it's crazy performance, Gaijin could make them removeable again. Just an idea.

[@guvyygvuhh298]

A bit of weight here and there makes no difference when this thing gets the best and joint highest quantity of fox 3s and when it does get in range of other planes it can just kitentically avoid their missiles

[@Peonion]

soooo gaijin introduces a new broken plane to an already broken top tier ? on noo...

[@Gillybearuk]

man top tier gameplay is like watching paint dry zzzzzzzzzz

[@britishbred52]

yeah, early jets and forced top tier dogfights are fun tho

[@Gillybearuk]

@britishbred52 after 10.0 the gameplay turns to brain-dead missile play that requires 0 braincells to do. It's boring. Do love 8.7 missile play is compromised by actual skill and gunfights are key 😞

[@YourUncleGreg]

F-15E irl: known also as "Flying Tennis Court", more slugish than any other F-15 variant and is probably the worst Eagle for interecepting. F-15E in WT: pretty much untouchable with right amount of intelligence, doesn't lose any energy in horizontal turns above mach 1, actually quite the opposite. Oh yes

[@yono367]

yeah it should be a fat prick but as it is now I don't think the Mig 29 could beat it in a dogfight

[@Elturbo157]

Very balanced 🗿

[@thesupreme8062]

Youre wrong though. The f15e usually carries an ungodly amount of ground strike payload of course its going to be sluggish, there is no reason for the f15e to be sluggish carrying an a2a loadout

[@YourUncleGreg]

@@thesupreme8062It still has around 3 tons more empty weight. But still, I guess exaggerated it for it to sound more ridiculous.

[@thomasbrinch6813]

Mudhens have their CFT's pretty much permanently mounted same with Ra'am they could simply have made them mandatory, also never seen a C model use the CFT's

[@junjieoyan4800]

The F-15E Strike Eagle was designed not for dogfights but to excel in air-to-ground capabilities, although it does decently well in BVR combat. It has more fuel capacity to stay longer in the air to strike targets deep within enemy lines, hence "Strike Eagle". For purely air-to-air combat, use the 15C variant.

[@SeekerHead]

Your real life knowledge means nothing in war thunder. The F15E is straight up superior to the C on the game. Both in air to air and ground

[@junjieoyan4800]

@@SeekerHead Alright 😂

[@TriangleV]

So actually the vans in gran turismo were never meant to race on a racetrack so actually they don’t excel at racing and they’re exclusively meant to carry people they’re not race cars actually shut up you’re stupid

[@SeekerHead]

Do you have any evidence to support otherwise?

[@luciusartorius3437]

as if usa needed it

[@xDerHunterHeli]

My favourite F-15 yay

[@kwilliams3161]

USA wouldn’t be a superpower if they only had things they needed .

[@Ryan-go6id]

We wanted a hornet lol

[@Theratsnatcher]

bruh if the f15e is that fast what about the f22 and mig31 and all the high thrust to wight planes ?

[@SeekerHead]

F15 is exceptionally high T/W…

[@sotilaskarkuri]

@@SeekerHead still its way overtuned in WT

[@hemendraravi4787]

russian bias

[@squadenjoyer]

oh no, how could it be that usa got anything better than russians right?

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@squadenjoyer when f16 turns faster than a mig29 in a 1 circle fight in air rb.

[@squadenjoyer]

@@hemendraravi4787 depends on the pilot, but mig29 should be in favor

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@squadenjoyer f16 turns better than mig29 in air rb. mig29 wont be able to pull more unless u go full real controls.

[@kurnass2000]

@@hemendraravi4787 mig29 and su27 are underpeforming

[@brianponton]

I'll be honest I like the fact that we are finally getting into some faster more accurate planes

[@Rookieo7]

Bro was a little to fast

[@watershot5941]

"That's what she said"

[@Dy4me]

4:30 the reason it didnt hit its coz the missile wasnt tracking you can see on the radar when you launched the missile it still had that hollow circle for some reason. I had this happen quite a few times with off bore shots with the j10A.

[@Janno32_]

Why did they add the SR-71?

[@birdwithagun]

They didnt

[@Janno32_]

@@birdwithagun You know this is a joke because the F-15E/I is ridiculously fast.

[@birdwithagun]

@@Janno32_ i understand now

[@Kvandy695]

“But those groms were a major issue” chronic US main’s

[@AnuTheWarThunderEnjoyer]

eagle moment

[@lxgple]

Where are the leading edge vortices ???

[@ZLEEP2324]

So they nerf the su34 twice but they allow this thing to be like this and even buff it with new engines it didn’t get

[@Unknown-xf9kw]

It's either this or have people complain about Russian bais maybe

[@squadenjoyer]

they didnt nerfed it only, where is ur knowledge coming from? Radar is fast/better again, + its even more extremely agile now

[@AZ-dj1ni]

Enjoy the Russian Bias

[@ZLEEP2324]

@ most bs thing out there, Russian bias doesn’t exist meanwhile whenever American mains cry they get everything they want

[@Aetherblade-z4o]

​@@ZLEEP2324there is no bias there is only money gaijin cares about money not making a certain nation better or worse

[@Sportsontop-q3y]

How do you get jets on war thunder mobile

[@raphaelambrosiuscosteau6685]

So gaijin removed grom 1s from su34 cause US mains were yelling russian bias again. Nerfed it's FM cause "fat fighter bomber can't turn like a fighter" but absolutely fine when F15E does that and is essentially a better F15C, gave F15E better engine cause also US main cried loud enough. And after all that you still implying that gaijin is biased towards russian stuff? Just how hypocritical are you all US mains? Lemme gues now everyone are gonna be fine with it cause it's American and noone gonna want to change stuff just the same as when f14 was dominating for entire year...

[@issacfoster1113]

Aughhh poor baby, Why don't you Go the Forums or bug report and tell gaygin your much needed buffs like we do instead of crying here in the comments lololol

[@thesupreme8062]

The grom 1 would break arb, shouldnt be added.

[@SOULK..]

I think you may be stupid.. Russia gets a 40km mach 2 agm… when Americas longest range SPAA is only 10km but when the f15E rightfully got the correct engines AND HAD THD FLIGHT MODEL NERFED ASWELL Russia mains cry..

[@actuallybadfr]

⁠You’re going on the rape list

[@sotilaskarkuri]

@@issacfoster1113 what do you nato cuck fucking think we have done? i have done multiple bugreports about the shit that has been nerfed on the russian side. they have said literally fucking nothing because they know once russia becomes competitive you all would fucking cry that you cant just point and click your way to victory

[@ttvkyberwolf6659]

9:00 Wrong, it’s even more unfair irl 😂

[@citonhotavares7579]

Mach tuah, speed on that thang

[@ScottishSquirrel_]

Seek Therapy please

[@Jayden_o777]

They need to change the map border to put you at your initial speed that you were at when you went into the border. Not dropping from mach 2 to 600km/h. It genuine can get you killed for free and it needs to change in some aspect

[@ThePointlessBox_]

all this bullshit and the Flanker and Mig29 still has a broken flight model straight up uninstalling this unbalanced piece of shit

[@britishbred52]

as a british main i gotta agree, WHY GAIJIN

[@britishbred52]

as a british main i gotta agree, WHY GAIJIN

[@phoenixmapping932]

all these amraam carriers need to go to 14.0 minimum this is unbelievably insane

[@SussyImposter9856]

where my R-77-1

[@somerandomboibackup6086]

It comes out in 2015, one must convince Gaijin to add AIM-120Ds then with the current state of crying and whining

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@somerandomboibackup6086Aim-120D will be added after the F-22 bro. It ain’t happening

[@mainhalo117]

@@somerandomboibackup6086it’s not a game time line based thing dude, you people need to stop whining about aim120d when the Russians want their r77-1 which is comparable to the aim120a/b way more than it is to the aim120d

[@somerandomboibackup6086]

@@mainhalo117 R-77-1 is comparable to AIM-120C5, and there's a reason you don't see F-15Cs fighting Mig-21S

[@mainhalo117]

@ so then advocate for addition the aim120c instead of the aim120d as well as the r77-1. It’s not that complicated of a problem

[@funi_chest]

can you play with 8 120s without CFTs? cus in the loadout preview in game ( i dont have the f15e yet) there is no option for 120s only for underside pylons.

[@Anteritus]

For what I heard The Engine Upgrade for the F15E was only on the Later Upgrades of the E's Lifespan. So instead of getting a F15E and potentially a F15E Late we got the F15E Late as standard.... maybe we might see an F15E "Early"? but I highly Doubt.

[@hunterjones225]

this is incorrect. F-15Es were produced out of the factory with the 229 engine starting in the early 90s. there are still numerous avionics upgrades the aircraft ingame is missing to make it a "late"

[@marshall-yo5ho]

many jets in the game have features they didn't out of the factory

[@Rojek-ls3dl]

F 15E early will be new 80usd premium Like Viggen ID in Sweden

[@SA80TAGE]

@@hunterjones225 this is incorrect. "The engines used on early aircraft are Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220. Later batches feature the more powerful P&W F100-PW-229 engines. Saudi Arabian and Israeli aircraft originally used P&W F100-229 engines"

[@hunterjones225]

@@SA80TAGE yes, thats what i said "later batches" LMAO the US F-15E was being produced with -229 engines for more than half a decade before a single F-15I was built.

[@rhysbrettin5226]

Im all for gaijin adding more modern vehicles and making them more historically accurate adding more ratings and spreading them out more ia important

[@ilikewarhawk890]

what can the aim120b do better than a

[@SeekerHead]

Nothing

[@honzavasicek]

​@@SeekerHeadwould be nice if they had different autopilot guidance as 120B had better loft profile where it kept more terminal energy.

[@SeekerHead]

I’ve never seen anything on that. Afaik the 120Bs only difference from the A is that its software can be updated with less maintenance ripping apart the missile in the process

[@josephknight7837]

How do you maintain a 7g turn? My pitch controls are always full deflection and I cannot sustain a turn like that :(

[@sovietbanana4589]

Y’know gaijin originally only intended for the f-15e to be worse for air to air than the f-15c by being heavier but with the same engine. This actually would have put the thing in an air to ground role focus to not completely power creep everything else. But then people begged and gaijin caves literally immediately. Which is crazy that they do this immediately for the f-15e and not for the mountain of bug reports on other aircraft missing features. Take the flankers, the current al-31f is missing 500kg of thrust, and depending on the sourcing the su-27sm is missing it’s al-31fm1(the su-34 should also have these improved engines). Like I don’t wanna say gaijin panders to U.S air players but they do because they make gaijin so much fucking money. Edit:also the pw-229 has the correct amount of thrust, however a lot of other nations have aircraft that are inaccurately underpowered whether through nerfs or inaccurate modeling. Say mig-29 and gripen airframes being artificially nerfed, or the Japanese f-15’s missing their guided air to ground ordinance like jdam’s. Or the inaccurate drag and thrust on other nation’s fox-3’s like the r-77 or aam-4. As someone who mains other nations I can’t help but feel infuriated by what seems like U.S pandering the past couple updates.

[@Temb_]

its because they are loud. and people a LOT of people worship the F15. they are fine with it being OP because "well it never lost IRL" (i actually had that said to me)

[@sovietbanana4589]

@ yeah, just as someone who plays not the U.S it’s pretty annoying being mostly ignored while big USA gets everything they want. And for the f-15 people worship a plane that killed 3rd gen aircraft and helicopters with 5-1 numerical advantages and then are surprised it did well in combat. Like that’s kinda what happens when the aircraft never goes into combat without a tactical and strategic advantage.

[@hunterjones225]

"Y’know gaijin originally only intended for the f-15e to be worse for air to air than the f-15c by being heavier but with the same engine. This actually would have put the thing in an air to ground role focus to not completely power creep everything else. But then people begged and gaijin caves literally immediately. " Except that their argument for it is complete bullshit when they added the F-15I at the same time, which can ONLY have the better engines. If the F-15I wasn't added at the same time or actually used the older engines, their reasoning could have worked. "Take the flankers, the current al-31f is missing 500kg of thrust" Its not. "and depending on the sourcing the su-27sm is missing it’s al-31fm1" only the SM3 received new engines. "Say mig-29 and gripen airframes being artificially nerfed" they aren't artifically nerfed. they lack the proper relaxed stability and unstable flight models they should have because NO AIRCRAFT INGAME HAVE THEM YET. this applies to more than just your cherrypicked 2 examples. "the Japanese f-15’s missing their guided air to ground ordinance like jdam’s" Japanese F-15s CANNOT USE JDAMS. The only ordnance they are missing is the GBU-8, which Japan did not and does not currently possess. "Or the inaccurate drag and thrust on other nation’s fox-3’s like the r-77 or aam-4" A correct AAM-4 would not have been added until 120C-5s anyway, be happy its even in the game at all right now. Even with proper drag the R-77 would still be beaten by the 120A/B, it just wouldn't be the worst ARH ingame anymore. But we can just conveniently ignore that the 120A/B ALSO STILL UNDERPERFORMS ITS KNOWN DATA. "Like I don’t wanna say gaijin panders to U.S air players but they do because they make gaijin so much fucking money." yes... thats why numerous US vehicles still lack systems and ordnance found in other trees on the same airframes. "As someone who mains other nations I can’t help but feel infuriated by what seems like U.S pandering the past couple updates." Keep wearing the victimhood, it suits you well with your whining.

[@sovietbanana4589]

so for starters the f-15i got the 229’s because it was the only engine the plane was ever equipped with, relative to the f-15e which did not start out with the 229’s. The al-31f as modeled in game has 11,656 kg of static thrust while using afterburner. The al-31f in real life has a static thrust of 12,500 kg. I’m stating static trust because thrust operates on a curve with speed however the point stands that the al-31f is horribly underpowered in game. Now the al-31fm1 is most definitely on the first su-34, that fact is undebatable. I will admit my mistake on the confusion between the sm and sm3. However the absence of the al-31fm1 on the su-34 is still an issue. Now in terms of the gripen and mig-29 they’ve literally been nerfed multiple times to unrealistic levels. I don’t even know why this is a debate because it’s just a fact. The mig-29 more so a victim of this nerfing. This is not just a stability issue and an issue of gaijin balancing. Now saying the “real aam-4” wasn’t expected doesn’t excuse incorrectly modeling something to such an outrageous extent. They also added the aim-120 to the plane so adding the aam-4 in a nerfed state instead of just doing the aim-120 doesn’t make any logical sense. Also you’re complaining the aim-120 which is the best fox-3 in game rn is somehow being artificially nerfed. The U.S isn’t the only nation with better planes in other tech trees lmao. The German mig-29g and mig-21spsk are literally both better versions of Russian aircraft. This is just a thing gaijin does to make minor nations more viable. And yes I will continue to get angry at gaijin about pandering to a single audience/demographic for money. Because it’s a problem that negatively affects game balance.

[@Optimusprime56241]

The F15E SHOULD be better than the C, it is a later model and it is still in use today

[@doctorothon]

either make flight models all realistic, or all for balance, and make it consistent

[@specc_s1452]

They should force the F-15E to carry CFTs

[@hunterjones225]

Fake restriction

[@Spearhead45]

I have a question i'm hoping you can answer by the way I love your decal so I bought it, My question is when you're im TWS what is the control bind to switch to the next available target

[@SeekerHead]

It’s “switch radar target to lock” or something like that in controls

[@Nynyso]

Remember: "As long as the vehicle in question is not Russian then it's balanced" -Average wt player

[@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR]

Russian jets are overrated and people need to come to terms with that. There's a reason all the former Soviet bloc nations are trying to replace them with Saab Gripens and Eurofighter Typhoons. Russia also has a reputation of providing terrible maintenance assistance. I'm from Malaysia; we had to retire our MiG-29s early due to high operating costs. Our Su-30MKMs are also struggling to remain airworthy. Why? Because the Saturn engines that power the jets get poor aftersales support from Russia, so much so that we had to build our own maintenance facility here.

[@leotsering]

Yes.

[@Nynyso]

@@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR Ok but war thunder it’s a game, realistic game but a game nonetheless so when people starts crying for vehicles like the pantsir every complain is legit and the developer is a Russia’s proxy which wants to make Russia look strong for unknown reasons. But when you put a blatantly op US plane for the current meta that can make it all then no it’s not unbalanced and Gaijin immediately becomes a normal studio?

[@theidiotictroublemaker2281]

​@@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR they arent overrated they are perfectly rated. Russia has shown good and bad results in jets and tanks. The Saturn engine is unreliable because of the low cost approach instead of the stable and quality approach. Then there is the nations replacing Russian jets not because they wants to buy because they are forced by NATO nations mostly. The latest su35 was deemed an excellent fighter jet but US personally told all nations they would sanction them if they purchased it same with other Russian products. Even with that they made good products. The su30mkm from your side hasn't undergone changes or modifications like Indian jets which are equipped in Aesa radar and other equipment.

[@FGGHHRJKSUEUEYYR]

@@Nynyso Here's the thing: I never wanted War Thunder to go past Gen 2 fighters. You know why? Because Gen 3 onwards rely heavily on avionics and sensors, and the West has been ahead of Russia in this regard since the 80s. Avionics are also heavily classified and data on them is not easy to find or understand, so modelling them properly in a video game is next to impossible. If War Thunder is going to keep some form of realism in Air RB, then they are going to need to reflect a broad reality, and sorry to say, the broad reality is that the West has better sensor platforms than Russia. No matter how War Thunder tries to balance the two sides, the truth will still be evident. They will probably need to remove the F-15E entirely if they want to keep things balanced. Because ultimately the Strike Eagle has a better sensor platform than any Russian jet of this era. Case in point: they've already nerfed the F-16C's radar by reducing its range, so that it can't detect the MiG-29 before the MiG can detect it, when in a real engagement that is exactly what happened (see the Gulf War). And even with that nerf it still remains competitive. And Gaijin being Gaijin, as a response from US players complaining about that, removed the R-73 from the game to nerf the MiGs. Typical Gaijoob logic. And I haven't even gone to European jets like the Tornado ADV and Mirage F1, which in real life were successful in their roles and were perfectly capable of taking on any Russian jet of the 80s, but in War Thunder are purposely made awful so that the main battles would be between the US and USSR nations, which of course are War Thunder's cash cows and have the most influential playerbases. So when US and USSR players complain about either side being favoured, I just laugh really. Because this favouritism nonsense misses the point that War Thunder Rank 7 should never have been added to a frankly subpar game like War Thunder.

[@officialgood-boy8946]

The game wasn't ready for something this fast.

[@Jive-Gaming]

I’m not from Us but the F15 E got an excellent thrust to weight ratio so I guess the speed that Gaijin gave to this plane is quite realistic but the turn rate Should be really important as this plane is big. The issue with WT right now is that an F15E is better that most of other jet but it’s also more expensive in All the way possible.

[@Ttytg-w9n]

Quick question how would the mig-31 fair?

[@M1A2_Abrams_MBT]

This was very much needed. US mains can stop crying now (They'll still find something to cry about).

[@Rayjacker]

AIM-9X and the C/D AMRAAM will be good targets, but then they're gonna start running out of stuff to ask for beyond prototypes.

[@marshall-yo5ho]

seeth Russia main

[@odjflone8330]

I can cry about the Abrams lower glacis all day

[@M1A2_Abrams_MBT]

@@odjflone8330 talking about air right now, not ground.

[@odjflone8330]

@@M1A2_Abrams_MBT ok, but I assumed US mains refer to air and ground. but I'd like M1A1 getting a 100mm buff to lower glacis

[@addedcheese]

I have no idea why Gaijin thought this was a good idea. Especially before the Rafale, Typhoon and hornet

[@ICECAPPEDSKY]

Seek I sent the link you wanted by editing my original comment of the F22 top speed and thrust and KZbin auto deleted my entire comment and the thread. Reposting Top speed claimed by US Airforce Mach 2 class afterburner Mach 1.5+ supercruise. 35000lb thrust class engines (70000lb total) Look up the Airforce f22 fact sheet and read it yourself I’ve been trying to send this for the last 30 minutes.

[@guimbitencourt]

Going for the F-15I cause you know, lazy grind.

[@ZigzagEnd]

add F15EX with 16 AMRAAMs its balanced trust

[@ScottishSquirrel_]

*22

[@Migthunder]

I think its perfectly fine to add the eurofighter now (nice vid as always mate)

[@S4t0r1]

And US mains still gonna call su34 better cuz muh PESA radar which (i might be wrong) still is gonna be worse than the f15e's, cuz muh funny big gps bombs ( that dont even glide as far as the gbu39s), cuz muh russian bias

[@somerandomboibackup6086]

PESA, none of the operational jets in Russia in real life have AESA outside the Felons

[@S4t0r1]

@somerandomboibackup6086 mb, I knew abt the PESA but mixed both up . Gotta keep in mind tho that gaijin can change anything if ppl cry enough, just like with the flight models

[@vaclavkolar6750]

Idk why so many was crying about the radar when with R-77s you can't really attack anything outside 15km range

[@S4t0r1]

@vaclavkolar6750 it's not just the radar or the r77s, everything is wrong with russias top tier besides r27et and that's it. The amount of countermeasures, the flight models, the radars and the missiles(not including the et and er), the CAS-ability compared to their US counterparts, everything is downright horrendous and nerfed into oblivion.

[@bokoblinlogic1619]

@@S4t0r1opposite can be said for ground

[@aureliencostabeber8532]

so the only counter is the fakour-90, r-27ER/ET and maybe the phoenix ?

[@GGvex]

No lmao

[@MeNamesPoshOpossum]

No

[@pikapika2-7273]

Another banger vid seek. Americans mains must’ve really cried hard enough to get the better engines. I don’t go on the forums but that’s what I assume just happened.

[@SeekerHead]

Thanks

[@maxmax-lo7pj]

Yes that's what happened

[@edward_slicer]

Is there anyway to get these decals from you on PS5?

[@bosmith4560]

I realize it’s a game but to be fair the f15 dominated the sky’s on the world stage for like 30-40 years?

[@piscessoedroen]

wtf how insane of a t/w ratio you need to have reduce speed warning at 12km+ above sea level

[@2goober4u]

But nooo, we cant add the mig-25

[@thesupreme8062]

They could, itd be shit tho.

[@death_star4956]

@@thesupreme8062 True, it wouldn’t be a competitive jet, in fact I’d say it would be a bad jet, but at this point I still want it, not everything has to be meta or competitive.

[@hemendraravi4787]

mig-31m with 6xr37 + 4x r77

[@qkyvanilla]

Is there any downside to this from the f15c? like for example worse turning or heavier

[@SeekerHead]

Practicality wise no. I'm sure there's slight diff in dogfight capability, but would only be relevant against 2 experienced duelers doing a C v E match up. Every othermatch up should go the exact same way for either plane.

[@adsadsaddFQ]

So what's the point of playing top tier right now other than be a free frag for this shit?

[@arlooh_]

Literally once you get to top tier theres no point in playing, just get to grinding the next nation!

[@GrundleLongDong]

Tbf I think the main issue is this here is a competitor for the ef2000, su35, f18C.

[@adrianfolstad4925]

oh wow, the best plane in the game is even better now? who would have guessed:P russian bias af

[@somerandomboibackup6086]

Blame McDonnell Douglas for making a good jet, Raytheon for making a good missile, and Gaijin for randomly neutering the Flankers and Fulcrums

[@adrianfolstad4925]

@@somerandomboibackup6086i wonder if you would have said the same thing if russia had better planes🤔

[@Янус_Ырт]

​@@somerandomboibackup6086 I will blame only Gaijin. Douglas and Raytheon are good, but Sukhoi and Lavochkin are good as well, it is snail's game

[@somerandomboibackup6086]

@@adrianfolstad4925 Yes the Su-27s are miles better than the F-15As and F-15Cs when using SARH, what is this bait?

[@WordBearer48]

​@somerandomboibackup6086 I only blame gaining for not adding the Russian equivalent aircraft and missiles at the same time. The US already has an unfair, unrealistic advantage, and this only made it worse. Russia needs the newer models of aircraft, and the better missiles that they actually use in real life.

[@i_barely_noah1065]

They should make a warning how many missiles are locked on you like 3x missiles locked

[@Frost_x_NB]

I’m an American main and I can see this being a bit over the top. The drag coefficient should be toned down a bit so it loses more speed in a turn.

[@Bad_Karma777]

Planes should be exactly like their specs. Gaijin needs to figure out how to release them properly.

[@FutureGohanGlazer]

@@Bad_Karma777hi bad karma

[@Bad_Karma777]

@@FutureGohanGlazer hello :)

[@conflictclips]

​@@Bad_Karma777 If that's the case explain the massively over performing f16 fm and the nerfed mig29 fm.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

@@conflictclipsit’s not, the MiG-29 is underperforming. The F-16 is cracked IRL.

[@anno-fw7xn]

So the jet perfoamnce f111 and so shuld have?

[@AstroGamer_da_real]

finally the us tech tree get the good version of one of its jets.

[@Northern00]

I see people say this all the time, but I don’t get it, besides some isolated cases like the harrier 2. The Americans always had the best versions of the F15C & F16C, as well as having the only versions of the F14A/B.

[@mayonotes9849]

​@@Northern00Keep in mind that US mains cry the hardest and on average have the biggest skill issue.

[@adrianfolstad4925]

yeah, poor US only been dominant since F-14, US suffers:(

[@Northern00]

@@mayonotes9849 fr, I’m staring at the neutered mig 29/su 27 flight models and shitty R-77s while half the American mains online scream “but the 27ER was broken!!” as if Russia didn’t have a 35% winrate back then too

[@bluefox9436]

​@@Northern00the best F15C is in the japanese tech tree whilst the best F16C is in the israeli tech tree. It's just kinda frustrating to see other Nations having better versions of domestic US planes in their tech trees but I also agree that the US does have a lot of good stuff compared to the russian tech tree - I would've liked a Su30 with maybe R77-1s also more than a Bomber with basically no impact but I guess Gaijin has has their own plans in terms of balancing.

[@yomaster12345]

Go figure the counter to the MiG-25 elevated to satellite killer is fast at altitude lol