The New & Improved Independent Stage 4 Trucks!

[@LeonPaxton]

Had a blast skating these trucks! 🥳

[@Trchamberlin]

I need a stage 4 vs. Ace. vs. Slappy video!!!

[@Kragehul]

Been riding Slappy trucks myself (hollow inverted ST1) and I switched from Ace. I love Slappy trucks more.

[@markprice2225]

Those are the last 3 skateboard trucks that I use on my boards. Ace 44 AF1s, Slappy trucks on my 8.75, and the new Stage 4 reissues for my Powell 8.6. I put firm bushings in all my trucks

[@DustinDollinsShinBone]

​@@markprice2225Have you swapped out the stage 4 bushings?

[@inquisitive1]

@@markprice2225which truck you like best?

[@knightofbrokenglass9237]

Camera under the rail is GENIUS!

[@DirtySk8RatStaney]

Loved the stage fours!! I only mess with Indy trucks, so I’ll have to snag a pair of these.

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

The return of a classic! We loved them mate!

[@Brian_Davies]

been on these for 6 months or so. tried my old stage 11's a couple of times and they felt dead. I'm sold

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

Rad! So glad you dig 'em!

[@shannonandsheila1403]

Just what i wanted to hear

[@TheMultitasker123]

Stage 4’s with Andersons new nano cubics equals a dream ride

[@mescaliiiiine]

Eyy you're that guy from the other channel I'm watching ;) Thanks for the review. Would you say they're for all kinds of skill level, including beginners/occasional skaters? The sharp turning radius is in fact a little concerning to me.

[@nathan_brider]

Thanks Leon, smooth as edit might have to suss out a set

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

Thanks Nate! Appreciate the feedback. They're so much fun!

[@diplenski]

they look fun in the bowl, i'd imagine that's where they really shine

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

For sure! They turn soo sharp.

[@strikeordie69]

So you went from making your board lighter with thunder hollows to turning it into an anchor with stage 4’s. Which setup do you prefer?

[@yes11889]

That's what I thought lol sure they're good trucks but I feel like he's talking positively about them for the video

[@LeonPaxton]

Haha yeah it might sound extreme but before the stage 4’s I had been skating Independent’s hollow 169’s which have an axle width of 9.125” to suit the bigger boards that I’m riding now so going from those to the Stage 4’s that are solid and 9” wide didn’t take anytime to get used to at all. These trucks are definitely legit 👌🏽

[@jacksonwallace6211]

I picked up a pair of Stage 4 Independents about a month ago, and they're my favorite truck. The bushings feel great out of the box which is unusual of Independents. The Stage 11 get Bones hardcore bushings immediately. I own a lot of different trucks: Krux k5, Ace Classics, Polar Bears, Independent Stage 11 and Stage 11 forged hollow, Grind King Disruptors, Thunders. I'd take the Stage 4 over any of them. The Ace Classics and Grind King Disruptors are the only ones that come close for me.

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

Soo glad to hear mate! We're loving them too!

[@MauroScardigno]

Which one would say has tighter turns / better carving between the ace classics and stage 4?

[@jacksonwallace6211]

@@MauroScardigno the stage 4 turn tighter, but it's not by a lot. Aces are like a mellower Stage IV. They both dive and carve.

[@chowdermonsterr]

I can only offer a standpoint on these trucks with the baseplate switched out for some Indy stage 10 low plates. I did it in order to get KP clearance and they feel very legit.

[@DTC1138]

wow the collab of the year: Leon, Fast Times and Mona Vale SP

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

Haha, thats mate!

[@WilliamEarlWalters]

My order is in since yesterday I can't to get independent stage 4 so excited really can't to get them on my Baker hawk Jr deck first time ever buying brand new trucks

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

Sick, You will love these!

[@danielwithers93]

I just got a pair of stage 4 was wondering what was up with bushings. Couldn't tighten them enough to feel comfortable with control

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

Try some of the Stage 4 94a hard bushings mate!

[@CurbBlurbs]

I found a set of Indy stage 7’s at a gf’s basement skate set up. Took them and rode them. They were soooo heavy annnnd they stuck. The kingpin on stage 7 is like worse than venture lo. So when I got the stage 4’s I expected them to feel somewhat the same ? They felt exactly like stage 11’s and that’s why I love them

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

That's sick! Glad you're loving the Stage 4's!

[@angry_zergling]

How do you tell what model your Independent trucks are? I have a set of Independents from the early 2000s and I'm curious what they are.

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

You'll have to look up some old Independent truck articles and ads to see.

[@angry_zergling]

@@fasttimesskateboarding Oh okay! Was hoping there was a trick or something! Ah well! Thank you for the reply!

[@Vdsanti]

Best review’s no doubt 🤝

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

Thanks mate, appreciate you!

[@idmhead0160]

I liked them at first, but, the problem I had was that the bushings hardened up too tight. I've had that problem with Independent's bushings in general. Even with the "super soft" ones. I think when they age, they get harder. And I think Independent doesn't make soft bushings for Stage 4. I found Ace AF1s to be much looser even after use. I'm going to give Bones soft bushings a try on some of my Independent trucks. Not on the Stage 4 though, since supposedly they are different.

[@Paul_Meister]

You can put the AF1 bushings in the Stage 4 trucks. Am currently riding them like that and they feel great.

[@idmhead0160]

@@Paul_Meister I'll have to give that a try

[@idmhead0160]

@@user-pe9vf4ht6s Aces are definitely loose as hell straight out of the box with the kingpin nut flush at the end of the kingpin. If I wasn't already used to loose trucks, it could definitely be dangerous wheel bite-wise. I'm mainly just cruising around with them though. If I was riding vert with them, I would probably be scared riding them that loose. I have 60s and 66s. The 60s firmed up after awhile. The 66s are still quite loose. The 60s started making a clicking noise, which think are the washers. I've heard other people complain about that. Never had that problem with Indy. Bones seem to click as well.

[@markprice2225]

There's bushings that fit independent trucks from stage 1 to 7 I think, stage 4s are included in this and Ace pretty much being stage 3 indys have almost the same setup too

[@diplenski]

i like the single wing

[@hitmonRay]

can you use the 166 on a 9.6 deck? the deck manufacturer recommends 169

[@lockedinlachlan]

9.6 r u insane!!!

[@hitmonRay]

@@lockedinlachlan no good?

[@hitmonRay]

@@lockedinlachlan i'm a big boy

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

There is only 0.125" difference between the 166 and 169 so either will work but just slightly sit in on each side of the deck.

[@WilliamWalters-i7d]

I have a pair on my baker deck I was wondering? There good for a heroin skateboard deck 8.75 width comment if you can

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

We would recommend the Stage 4's in a 151 which has an 8.625" width to suit your 8.75" board mate!

[@DaisyChaine]

q: is it just nostalgia? if not, why did they feel the need to make a stage 5-11.. also, 169's & 215's have always had the 6 holes, my stage 11s do, just no use for a 6 hole truck on a board under 9 in

[@Ruperth316]

quick question before I buy those, do they turn like Thunder? or Ace?

[@ejlopez6637]

I haven’t had thunders in a minute, but I’d say these turn similar to aces.

[@LeonPaxton]

Definitely Ace dude! Ace trucks were inspired by the Stage 4 Indy’s

[@boepiesnoep7867]

Like dude above said. Ace trucks are a clone of the stage 4 Indies, so these are more Ace than Ace. Ace bushings even fit better in the stage 4's than Indy stage 11 bushings. Stage 4's have slightly higher bushing than the stage 11's.

[@RatSewage]

How do these compare to stage 11s?

[@fasttimesskateboarding]

They turn a lot sharper for sure!

[@burger1113]

I just need them to make a lighter version and I won't be able to resist... I'd like them to try and make one that's like 52.5 - 53mm tall though, without being so heavy like the mids.

[@markprice2225]

You just described the Ace AF1 hollows to a T. Exactly the same height you want and almost half the weight of the classic & regular AF1s

[@boepiesnoep7867]

I have them, I love them, but they have higher bushings than the stage 11's and their own bushings are not sold seperate yet. That needs to be addressed.

[@MillCityJam]

Ace killers?

[@timburrow2996]

Ace has always been the dead zombie of Indy.

[@DarmokAtTanagra]

Ben Degros gives em a hard NO, I'll take his word for it

[@AspiringSpaceWizard]

His style is not everyone’s style, he might like something you don’t. Hes not some Gear jesus, i love the guy but not everything hes ever said is 100% accurate and you must follow it to a T. Look for other opinions like this guy and others to form your opinion.

[@ejlopez6637]

Yeah. He’s not a loose truck boi. If you like swuiggling around, try them out. They’re really fun.

[@AspiringSpaceWizard]

@@ejlopez6637 i like to swuiggle

[@Mystninja]

Leon. Are you lost mate lol

[@jefftrezza]

well well well...well ok

[@pbfloyd13]

444

[@kingmidaz8779]

L ad

[@ArielPhillips-z6s]

Are yuo buy titanium independent good