Independent Mids Review!!!!! :D

I was lucky enough to get a set six weeks early and put a hurtin on em!
Here is my opinion of the 139 "Mindy's"
Indy Mids are a solid option. You can find them here: alnk.to/gKPYVhv
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Songs:
"safety" by Strange Fruits
"drifter" by 92 Elm

[@IndependentTrucks]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@stef84]

Skate the best...

[@kalesb240]

@@stef84 fuck the rest!!

[@isaacmeraz9578]

Made in china

[@stef84]

@@isaacmeraz9578 true

[@jouhajohnny]

Made in china 😐😐😐

[@fernandoreyes680]

I honestly don't think there's a better skate youtuber out there. Actual well done reviews perfectly combined with great skateboarding. Ben, you are the man!

[@bendegros]

Wow, thanks!

[@ronniecreager2585]

Truth

[@stef84]

@@ronniecreager2585 yes

[@soydave1988]

@@bendegros he's being real, you're by farrrrr the best out there doing what you're doing! Also you rippp

[@Rafael-nl8lz]

I agree. Love the lack of click bait titles and straight forward reviews. Cause of your channel I started messing around with different set up configurations and having so much fun with it.

[@Quesly1]

that is kind of a genius marketing move by putting out a tiago commercial for them. "See? they're not that heavy!"

[@damodaraomalley3974]

as someone who studied metallurgy, your right about the kin-pin. the nut is mild steel so more soft and the kingpin is high carbon steel so more hard. so yes the kingpin will slip faster when against other metals but will be like an anchor against Concrete. where the nut will be softer and feel more like wax against Concrete but could be more sticky when sliding against other metals.

[@AnneALias]

They aren't teaching you guys English in that program huh?

[@markstaud]

Intelligent people can still be dyslexic.

[@roxys999]

"It's all about clearance, it's not about the shape of your kingpin" - Ben Degros

[@derekmccray9332]

The reason I originally gave you a sub Ben, quality, technical reviews....excellent 👍

[@bendegros]

:D

[@tornadojohnson8305]

Yeah he gets so technical on stuff I didn’t even know about love it

[@setothecat]

☝🏻😃I'm 39 and new to skateboarding and i am in that "wanna now every detail about all the differences of how to setup a Board" phase. So i really appreciate your Videos and the way you share your knowledge. Thank you ✌🏻🙂

[@bendegros]

Happy to help!

[@setothecat]

@@bendegros I have no doubt about that. ✌🏻

[@_SirCharge]

Upgrading my bushing was a huge revelation for me. I really thought bushings didn't effect my set up and that it was a gimmick, until I started tryin different set up. And changing to bones yellows. You should try it.

[@setothecat]

@@_SirCharge will check them out. Thx for the advice👍🏻

[@rslevi6904]

All this wet weather need this vid to keep me going! Thanks as Always Ben :)

[@bendegros]

My pleasure!

[@tylerv8233]

That footage was soo good. Having someone film you that way really does your skating justice.

[@sk8mafia214]

That’s the thing about a lot of stuff in this world...nothing better than the other. It’s all preference. Some things offer something you may enjoy and the other may also do it as well. Always looking forward to your reviews, Ben!

[@alecdenby1316]

I highly recommend them. They are one of my favorite trucks I have ever skated.

[@705skate]

I always can rely on your product reviews because you thoroughly test products with an unbiased opinion instead of some people who get paid to say good things about them, you don't hold back about your dislikes which is exactly what I like to hear. Your videos have helped me a lot when deciding what new products I want to try. Thanks a lot Ben, keep at it!!!

[@bendegros]

Thank you!

[@alfredtavares837]

Just want to say thank you for your KZbin videos and just to let you know I've found my board that fits me. I don't do tricks but i cruse just about every day. 7 miles a day. Your beader then you thinking. I think you need more credit then your getting. Your extreamly informational and an awesome skater in my eyes.Your my go to guy when i buy stuff. If I need something or want i watch your videos so i understand what I'm buying and what is expected out of my purchases. Keep up the good work! I'm not getting any younger.

[@eisaatana96]

Bro it's you're

[@robolinoschmidt8676]

The only review I trust ...all hail ben 🙌🏻 Btw. You could put the titanium hanger on it so you get more kingpin clearance plus a lighter truck

[@bendegros]

yes but they won't be mids anymore

[@setothecat]

Mr. Honest Review. He deserves way more Followers. ✌🏻🙂

[@robolinoschmidt8676]

@@setothecat he deserves to be on 9 club...like 3 hours

[@ronniecreager2585]

@@robolinoschmidt8676 dude what a great idea

[@robolinoschmidt8676]

@@ronniecreager2585 thank you🤙🏻

[@lrjly]

Remodeling our tile shower right now and living vicariously through you. Wish I was skating right now!

[@bendegros]

:)

[@kristofimre2631]

Some beautiful clips here Ben! Loved the review dude keep it up :)

[@bendegros]

Thanks!

[@simonlippitt8907]

I don’t need them I don’t need them I don’t need them I don’t need them I neeeeeeedddd theemmmmmmmmm

[@bendegros]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@artdude8278]

Quite literally, as soon as I saw this video on my notifications, I had to go buy a set (159's).

[@tornadojohnson8305]

@@artdude8278 lol I got a set of 149s

[@wakazuzu]

When I started skating in the late 80s I guess, we used to always invert the kingpins ourselves. Back in those days the kingpins were just like a normal bolt with a hex-shaped head which was the bit that locked into the baseplate. Seemed to work great, but the bottom of the bolt did extend past the bottom of the baseplate and would gouge into the board somewhat, and probably caused my boards to crack because they used to crack a lot.

[@raymondzzzzz]

I usually cruise for a hour or so to get the bushings broke in and then I tighten to my liking. I feel if you crank down the tightness, the bushings crack prematurely (for those who want trucks to last).

[@boom6578]

It's crazy how a few mm on trucks and wheels can feel so different

[@PHeMoX]

Yeah so true. I keep switching different board sizes, wheels and trucks a bunch lately. And it's pretty much hurting my learning to skate. It's crazy how much it matters to go from 8.0" board to 8.25" and switch from Venture or Tensor to Thunder 148. At the same time, I kind of like to experiment and try what works best anyway. But I do think I should stick with a 8.25" for a bit, to really learn to skate better.

[@jozhuwah1393]

@@PHeMoX i feel that, just sit on whatever feels comfortable to you. It took me a while when i went from a 8.0 to an 8.5.

[@landonkane1795]

Right I feel like I’m floating when I try other friends board with bigger wheels

[@idmhead0160]

@@PHeMoX I only started skating again back in the spring after years of not skating. I've been working my way up the board sizes on Mini Logo decks with Independent trucks. Started out with an 8" deck, then, 8.25", and now I got a 8.5" but, haven't yet tried it. I used to skate back in the 80s when decks were more like 10". I like the 8.25" better than the 8". I'll see how I like the 8.5". That's probably where I will stop. I like the Mini Logo decks. Once I find the sweet spot, I want to standardize on that. I'm thinking maybe 8.5" will be it. Before I got the 8" deck, I had an Element deck from years ago that was a 7.75". I don't see what the point of small decks like that are. I'm glad there is a trend of board sizes getting bigger again. I'm old though and hence am not that into or worried about doing a lot of flip tricks. As long as the bigger deck doesn't suck at staight up ollies, I'd rather have the bigger one. I used to be able to clear 5 boards interlocked on a 10" board back in the day. So, I guess it should work. If my ollies suck now, it won't be because of the board. It will be because my borderline obese ass is out of shape.

[@johnnyutah6056]

Meh, i was kickflipping 9.5 to 10 inch decks with big wheels up to 67mm in 1988, easy peasy.

[@eaf27]

it's very strange for me to watch you skate. Maybe because I came from your carpentry channel? Who knows, either way I like your style, you're graceful with a lot of your tricks.

[@marc-antoineranger8859]

Ben, you’re great. I’m a beginner from Montreal and if you ever feel like taking a skate trip across Canada I’ll show you the best spots in town for poutine! In the meantime thanks for your helpful videos. Everytime I’m going for a new trick or a new setup you’re my go-to! All about that skateboard spirit. Merci beaucoup!

[@Kyle1444]

Whatever that dude 360 flipping over the trashcan is riding is it! The coping smith you do on indy's is insane and also the nollie inward heel. Damn. You definitely do better on transition on indy's than anything else for sure

[@SOUPBOY1972]

Dude! Ben! You destroyed those trucks! Crook grooves on both sides that deep in what, a month? You are truly a crookie monster. Much love.

[@SucculentDoorbell]

Ben, you're a genius. I appreciate the review so much.

[@mmhmmlala]

Independent said in their review video that they use the same amount of material in the mid's hangers and the highs. The extra weight actually comes from a steel kingpin mount in the base plate. That being said, you shouldn't notice too much extra weight because it is being kept close to your feet.

[@ulpsb]

Yea you are Accurate about why it's heavier 👍

[@codedontwrk1132]

Nice vid man. can you do one on the top 5 best or worst decks?

[@Brand0nv11]

Wait, a perfect ledge next to outdoor basketball courts AND sand volleyball courts!? I need to move to your utopian town.

[@sk8_bort]

your go-to man when it comes to skate hardware reviews for suuuuure

[@zwart0]

Leave it to indy to come up with a inverted kingpin that has less clearance than a regular one XD dont know why they didnt use the KRUX one..

[@bendegros]

It's not that the kingpin has less clearance. It's just the lower hanger.

[@ronniecreager2585]

I have seen photos of them swapped with a krux pin it looks glorious

[@zack189909]

@@ronniecreager2585 I put the krux kingpin on my thunder 148s and its the best thing ever.

[@sidwellsk8er]

I'm probably going to get the 159 mids and put the Kreeper kingpin on them. It's the lowest kingpin I've ever used and I have two brand new sets just chillin in my random parts. It looks like there's almost an inch of grind clearance on my 169s with those on them.

[@idmhead0160]

@@sidwellsk8er Wouldn't wheel bite be worse on trucks that wide with mids?

[@reedosaurus]

I just switched to Indy standards from Thunder standards a few weeks ago. I’m loving the hanger clearance. Not switching to a new truck, Ben.

[@bendegros]

:D

[@vinceamir7236]

Nice review and skating Ben!!! Like always i will probably wake up in the morning and started thinking that i absolutely need to try these trucks !! Lol that's why i got way too much trucks.

[@bendegros]

😂

[@Wind_Ninja_Jubei]

Just got back into skateboarding and found your channel. Really like the way you do your videos.

[@denimgenes5909]

Ive said it before but....your progressing so much. Your skating better every video. Seriously!

[@heathenskateandguitar3700]

Siked to see you try the new stuff!! You look pretty comfortable skating the Cariumas too

[@scstinger5]

Not sure why Independent Trucks is calling the mid trucks “new” when they are actually stage 9 & 10 Indy’s (the least favorite Indy stage of all) with a inverted kingpin. It seems with so many Indy riders switching to Ace Trucks that Indy would go back to the stage 3 (the most favored stage Indy) instead of stage 9 & 10 the least favorite? BTW you rip and good review Ben!

[@yogihendrix2677]

Make the switch to ace brotha 🙏🏽 bang for your buck

[@ToniLovesSkateboarding]

@@yogihendrix2677 Ace are so heavy

[@ANGRYBOYAARON]

I still have a pair of Made in USA Stage Xs with the conical Indy medium bushings and I quite enjoy the turn on em actually.

[@ashton35]

The modern indy trucks last longer. That's their hold in the market and they will never lose those customers

[@isaacmeraz9578]

@@ashton35 made in China

[@1tonyjaa]

Ben that was a great review! Everything to know. I will still ride my ventures like the shape to much. :D Have a good day/night and stay safe :)

[@danieliacucci5017]

I used to skate there at Hastings park every night, I miss Vancouver so much. Keep ripping Ben!

[@jDDignity]

got em ,dont like them on 8,00" only on 8,125" and 8,357" with 14,25 wheelbase the stock bushings suck, broke in the first day, changed them out for our beloved bones medium, got better but the annyoing clicking sound was born ^^ Love my Venture highs forever

[@jDDignity]

@Christopher Ng bushings or trucks? I´m riding the Venture black shadow 2 High 5,00" on 8" boards, and the Mindies in 139 stage 11 on all wheelbases above 14,00", seems to work better than perfect fitting truck to board width for me.

[@jDDignity]

@Christopher Ng i cant skate soft trucks, im on the medium to hard side both hardcore hard and hardcore medium make the clicking sound

[@jDDignity]

@Tendo Pain not for me cause I like them like others do their Thunders, it will probably be the heigth and bushing combo I need to have.

[@JakeShunt]

Making me want to try a set of Independents 🤔. Great review as always, Ben!

[@samdannug]

Loving the clips on this one! Street skating w great camera work is my favorite

[@420catson]

i landed 4 nollie heels yesterday 😸

[@amadousy7543]

such a satisfying trick even on a 8.5

[@420catson]

@@amadousy7543 yeah i skate an 8.5, the deck in setting up next is an 8.75 haha

[@ashton35]

Damn

[@420catson]

@@sorenhong7707 yeah

[@cuplaxi]

So they're heavier AND they have worse kingpin clearance? That's honestly pretty surprising. I'd have assumed they'd have much better clearance

[@llrated1238]

They were made to be durable and longer lasting and yeah you need some wax on your truck and kingpin

[@el_tanke_grande2458]

Yo I’ve been watching for a few months already and I finally subscribed as I was always watching on my laptop 👨‍💻 so I decided to follow you on my phone 📱 I love your videos 😎

[@B0NGERSON]

This might be my goldy locks truck. I love thunders a lot but I hate tailsliding them because the baseplate doesn’t stick out far enough.

[@preciousbautista-kendama1709]

New independent mid trucks features a lower profile hanger for optimal contact point angle on your nose and tail for flip tricks , ledges and all around street skating with 53m size wheel. The newly design and first ever independent inverted kingpin can be use with allen key and hex wrench . The innovative new shaft nut In the base plate creates a rigid and durable solution to lateral movement found in most inverted kingpin designs and increases adjustability .the new mid 52 tall with full cushions for maximum turning actions and comes 129,139,144,149,159 size

[@AJayTCP]

Always love your input Ben. Just ordered them with the intention of changing the hanger to the 55mm height with new baseplate and kingpin. I’m eager to see if kingpin clearance changes

[@bendegros]

Honestly I think it's fairly similar.

[@markstaud]

Some of the extra weight came from having to add a bottom steel nut so the Kingpin didn’t wobble like in other companies models who used aluminum.

[@Damoforce]

Ben: Here's the skating KZbin: Here have an ad

[@8Zeit8Geist8]

ad-blocker no ad´s - problem solved... never could or would watch anything with ad´s - commercials in it ;)

[@alanaharris7530]

Lmaoo that jus happened to me😂

[@johnmcduggle4032]

Ben!!! Came for the review, wound up LOVING the Track!!!! PLEASE post the Artist(s)!!!! If anyone has any idea, please post up!!!!!!!

[@bendegros]

I will put it in the description.

[@johnmcduggle4032]

@@bendegros thanks IMMENSELY for doing so!!!! It's the PERFECT track to take me from skating to a dinner party WITHOUT changing SONGS!!! (Even my GIRL likes it!!)

[@charlotteforster9846]

Thanks for review Ben !was expecting good clearance from kingpin is'nt this why everyone is so hyped about them? Going to give em a miss stick with 144 hollows .I have fitted old grind king kingpins which work well and give proper clearance only snag is you have to jam nut in baseplate with metal and superglue . Can't understand why indy haven't thought this through with the kingpin clearance maybe could have got rid of washer and incorporated it in kingpin.

[@MuzluPattes16]

I saw the brailles vid and first thing that came into my mind was you. And had a feeling somehow you got one and was going to review lol.

[@Lidköping-Slappy-Club]

Thank you ben. Tho ur videos has made me insane. I want to switch my setup all the time. 😅 Love the channel 🙏❤️

[@temskee6792]

just tried this indy mids recently. Im liking it when paired to a shorter wheelbase 14.25 ... pop is noticeably responsive ...

[@artdude8278]

That's some mad street footage right here. Great review!

[@bendegros]

Thanks :)

[@ronniecreager2585]

Great review. Great spots you got out there man you take full advantage, great lines. Weather is turning here in the prairies wont be much more skating 👎🏼. Side note: my krux bent at the axle and I sent them back to NHS and they are sending me some titanium Indy’s as replacement 😁 also have thunder hollow lights waiting in the wings for a couple decks from the shop who shall not be named haha.

[@bendegros]

That's a pretty sweet trade :)

[@sqwirlio7794]

Hey Ben could you show/review some skateparks around Vancouver that have bowls that are good for beginners please? A pumptrack video would be cool too. Thanks for the great content and the inspiration!

[@TylerRaffle92]

Go to queensboro if your a beginner at transitions

[@sqwirlio7794]

@@TylerRaffle92 Looks sweet! I’ll go try it out. Thanks

[@switchback3638]

Was just thinking about this just now, thanks ben🙏 also apparently the wheelbase is shorter by a hair

[@trustever15]

The design is also different , they’ve sharpened some edges , lowered the axle , dug the bottom of the bushing housing.. they wobble as hell with og bushing if you bomb hills and there’s no way to tight them enough, I suggest mid hard bushings

[@ArkhamDrifter]

Another awesome review, thanks Ben. So Indy now offers 52mm height in a heavier truck with less kingpin clearance? Ummm cool, so when does the Titanium Mid drop?

[@stevensepic.]

Just dont be a baby, they don’t feel as heavy

[@traddad9172]

Hey Ben, solid & complete review ✅ Which skate truck brands are forged/assembled in the U. S. if any?

[@stef84]

Ben what is the board that matches the best with independents 53.5 mm high hollow forged 144?? Let me know ❤️ Sorry if I am doing so much questions & comments 😅😅😅 but you are really a super good skate youtuber and I discovered your channel a couple days ago and I am lovin’it Bye and keep doing what you are doing cause it’s awesome!

[@MartinKohoutekchannel]

This was really GREAT review! Thanks Ben!

[@bendegros]

:)

[@bryanflo4500]

When's the Ben Degros street part coming? 👀

[@idmhead0160]

Check out some of his brothers from years ago. Kid ripped hard.

[@bryanflo4500]

@@idmhead0160 What's his brother's name?

[@simonponseele6285]

@@bryanflo4500 ted degros

[@fortyfour1654]

Fall of '97

[@idmhead0160]

@@bryanflo4500 Ted Degros

[@idmhead0160]

11:49 LOL! No haircut Ben looks like the Spitfire picture on his shirt!

[@brandonblair6868]

I second your theory on the kingpin head/nut material hardness affecting hangup

[@nelsonferreira1662]

"What makes em special and ...new? " Died LOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLL Made my day. 0:43 LOLOLLLLLLL Keep doin your awesome vids Ben Degros. Love you man. Peace out.

[@bendegros]

:D

[@brettwhitelock6762]

Had two sets and both of the king pings on both trucks would loosen just by rolling around the park a couple of times. I put a mark to see if they were moving and they were moving by a quarter of a turn at a time. So I could never get them to the right tightness I liked. Went back to standards. Would be interested to know if anyone else have had this issue. The shop I brought them from was great about it and just as puzzled by it as I was. Honestly I would just stick to standards.

[@castblanka8216]

I currently got a pair and have the same issue. I usually ride my independents with the nut cranked down about 1 notch over. I tried matching that tightness on the mids but cant get them to stay tight at all. After a few minutes of skating my trucks get so loose i can take them apart with my hands. Love the way the trucks feel, although i hate they dont stay tight and just get loose every go.

[@benjaminfitzgerald7839]

I'm liking the geometry and them being lower. And thankfully lockdown has just ended here in Melbourne yesterday, so my local skateshop should be open on Fri when I head into the CBD . Fingers crossed they'll have a lovely amount of stock to choose from.

[@destroyerdestroy87]

Crazy my local skateshop here in los angeles never closed because he sells a few bike parts so he was considered essential. He only really has helmets and bike bells.

[@benjaminfitzgerald7839]

@@destroyerdestroy87 That's awesome DH , I've always ridden bikes, before I started skating, & before I got my licence for those horrid wet days. But things got so shut down here my local bike shop (who'd been in business for 15+ yrs), had to permanently close his shop as here it wasn't deemed essential. Hopefully he'll be able to set up somewhere else soon for his sake. Tis weird, I've not run bald tyres(bike), & nursed bearings & boards along since I was 15yrs old.🙁 Probably one of the only things that makes me appreciate being older. I hope you're fairing better in your town my friend. Keep on rolling, & be well.🙂 ○(--

[@schoenlinggwunderbar]

Wow, Vancouver‘s got some pretty nice spots! Also, great review, Ben! As always :)

[@bendegros]

Thanks! 😃

[@pkelly529]

Who else wants to see Chad Caruso and Ben skate together?

[@skarceoneafd9609]

Ben it’s Jay I might be going to Seattle then driving to BC and wanted to know where that ledge spot is at by that Coliseum and the grass everywhere? Looks hella fun! Wanted to hit some street spots not just all the skateparks

[@bendegros]

Hi Jay :) It's right next to Playland. I think it's called empire stadium or empire field.

[@bendegros]

Actually, maybe the one your thinking of is the Richmond Olympic Oval. The long low ledge that I did the lines at.

[@skarceoneafd9609]

@@bendegros yeah that long ass ledge! Also that stairset then a high and low ledge next to a tennis court I seen a lot of clips there from you and the Dime videos. Thanks for the help! Also enjoying the reviews

[@gt_outdoorexcursions]

Yeah, I was thinking the baseplate on a nice standard would be golden! Did you happen to just see how the standard hanger fit and looked on the new plates?

[@Damoforce]

Aren't hollows and titaniums 53.5mm? So the Mids are really now too much different?

[@Mrmannycalvera]

Hi Ben , first of all I am a great follower of yours, your videos are better and entertaining than actual pro skater videos. I have a question for you, have you ever had the chance to ride Fury Trucks? I used to skate them back in late 90s, as an alternative to my Venture, I also had Arto Saari Fury Pro model in 2005. I prefer riding Independent these days, but I have recently found on an old box some of my old Fury Trucks, I used to like them, but these days I find them very Weird and too super light. I have heard they run out of business recently.

[@briancollins6542]

Hey Ben what up.. I just ordered the indy mids and should be getting them today. I got the 144 for an 8 inch deck cause I like riding my trucks a size up. The deck I'm putting these mids on is a Creature deck with a 14" wheelbase so I'm hoping between the lower truck and smaller wheelbase I will get a little more pop? What do think?

[@tresfordays9644]

I think it just depends on the shape of the board, I have never really been a fan of Indy’s, always thought they were too tall and heavy, but the 144 Indy Mids on an 8.25 primitive board feel really nice for me. Used to do 148 thunders but the pop felt shallow and too light. The Indy Mids make it have a easy pop but still have decent leverage

[@donlawson935]

Very good vibe skateboarding, independent trucks are all I skate, but I've had ventures, but independents are what I stick to, though independents can be heavy, but I like how independents feel smooth for my skateboarding 😀

[@lowek7773]

Clips in this were super dope nice looking spots too , ima have to get some 159's of these though for sure.

[@mico666_..]

I’ve had some horrible luck with Indy stock bushings myself, replaced them out with Indys again and had same issue. Almost as if they were blown out. Anyways I replaced them with Riptide Bushings and they are amazing. Flat spot in Vancouver has a ton of them to choose from.

[@stef84]

Ben another thing: shall you do a Skate Brands rank video??? It’ll be great!!! Cheers bro!

[@preciousbautista-kendama1709]

I got those new independent advanced technology skateboard trucks. I like this mid skateboard trucks they grind make easy than titanium independent, hollow independent, and standard independent

[@charlesraes8541]

This vid really cheered me up whilst I ate pizza. I've got indy hollows and they're 53.5mm clearance instead of the usual 55mm, they're loose and when they're shipped in black they come stock with the softest bushing they make (RED) so now I've got the hardest bushing indy sell and it works but the next time I buy, I'm getting raw standard Indies. (TOO MUCH WHEELBITE) good turning and they look amazing :')

[@SOUPBOY1972]

The lower height on those comes from the forged baseplate.

[@charlesraes8541]

It sure does, that's why I've got 1/8 inch risers to compensate :)

[@palleh7742]

They are always 90a in the bushings even if they are in different colours.

[@urbanhymns8880]

Bummer that the hex kingpin isn't helping. The baseplates would be good to drop a round Krux kingpin in, but now Krux has moved to the hex.

[@kottonstream9119]

I love em . They feel good to me. Always had stage 11 and tried the mids love em

[@sergioherrera1791]

Dang I think I might buy a pair but either way, I loved the video!!!!

[@ibsenrodriguez7296]

I want Ben to skate a totally not tech set up just to hear him complain about it for 15 mins. 10 inch 80s board, Indy 215s, oj super juice and deck rails would have him crying 😂

[@SlappyThomas]

Yeah we want to see the good old ben rip an eric winkowski kind of setup ahahah

[@destroyerdestroy87]

Since I got my eric winkowski board everything under 9 inches feels like a tiny stick lol took a month to really get into this board but now I love it.

[@sidwellsk8er]

He would just skate it and say "don't be a baby"...but no seriously, he would hate it and for that reason it would never happen.

[@idmhead0160]

I want to do some 90s Frankie Hill with a lot of grabs on a big deck. Kind of lame that grabs like that are considered lame now.

[@SlappyThomas]

Damn guys, we should firm a petition or something. C'mon ben, get rad with the old school!

[@Mystninja]

Mork died bring this technology to Earth. So just buy some Mindy's.

[@fortyfour1654]

Nanu Nanu !

[@RadioJack]

So the mids have the standard bushings? Can't wait until Tuesday when my 159 mids come in. Probably going to switch my bushings with the bones mediums if they're the same bushing size as standards.

[@Wladislav]

I love how inverted kingpin is suddenly seen as a brand new invention again. The cyclical nature of design trends.

[@mr.e8561]

I really appreciate your reviews. They 're really comprehensive. That being said, since they look the same and the heights the same(?) But the weights differant, how do you think they hold up against the Destructo mids you reviewed a little bit ago?

[@gabrielherrera4643]

The kingpin has the problem of it getting loose from the vibration of the ground. Although many inverted kingpins tend to have that problem.

[@finleybakerwhite3953]

Another great review. Thanks a bunch ben

[@bendegros]

My pleasure!

[@SimoneSimbula52]

Did you have the chance to try the inverted kingpin on the standatd height indys? Did they perform better in smith grinds like you supposed or the regular nut is still the way to go for smiths on indys?

[@jay-iy5zd]

wish i had legs long enough for indies. i switched to thunder after riding indies for like a decade and it just feels better. still love the brand though

[@yNotFPS]

Now try the kingpin on a standard indy! 149 titanium hangar maybe ? :)

[@UnitedShredNation]

Yea. You might have to bang out the hollow kingpin. I’m gonna try it.

[@danteneal5561]

You should review the forged hollow mids

[@paulrevere2928]

The primary reason for the inverted kingpin is so that exposed threads are not stripped out on regular kingpins, which was a poor design idea in the first place...

[@sebastianlund5558]

Hi Ben! What wheelbase on a board would you recommend for the mids 144? 😊

[@ToniLovesSkateboarding]

you lost me at "Heavy" haha. I just cant do it. I just switched from a new set of ACE 33 to my trusty Destructo Low because the ACE made my setup feel like it was 10 Lbs heavier. I did not like it at all. Also, I'm a fan of low trucks. I like my setup to be light. Ive been thinking about a set of Venture Lo. Ive never ridden Venture before

[@sidwellsk8er]

If you're not a fan of low trucks the Venture low is not going make you very happy. Worst grind clearance ever but they skate really nice for tricks. Now Venture highs with the lower forged baseplates, now those are sweet. Lots of grind clearance and a perfect mid hight Venture. That's just my opinion.

[@idmhead0160]

How tight do you ride your trucks? Don't you have wheel bite problems?

[@technolange651]

Venture lows are a good tech truck but have zero kingpin clearance.

[@technolange651]

If you like light trucks Thunder Hollow Lights are a great choice.

[@ToniLovesSkateboarding]

@@idmhead0160 pretty medium. Don’t really have wheelbite issues. I also ride 52mm wheels