The New "Made in China"

[@h0ser]

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[@_Banan_]

New vid is great❤

[@Admiral-General_Aladeen]

0:46 isn't that info already outdated? I heard that they lost the status to Tesla again a couple of days ago

[@highbread817]

Can you consider doing a video on the economy of Japan? I find their monetary policy interesting but I don't really understand why they do it Since they're facing similar problems to China, but trying to boost consumption through negative rates and stimulus to do it the last few decades. It would make a good complement to this video

[@그냥내얘기연필심]

질린다 질려..이제 붕괴가 아니라 침체로 바꼈냐? 침체도 안하면 또 뭘로바꾸게?현상유지?

[@hp36936]

you talk about this, but so many chineese live in squalor. Lack of infrastructure like plumbing and even fake fire hydrants.

[@sardarsaad4018]

buddy remembered that he has rent and bills

[@exiledwolfch]

😂😂😂 gotta slurp those moolah

[@StarterOffical-Jousha-lf6ig]

🗿

[@highbread817]

Tbf 3 weeks between 30-45 minute uploads isn't bad.

[@liquidificadoroficial3975]

​@@highbread817 for this type of content, yeah, and the video is totally edited

[@Servantofthearts]

@@highbread817definitely, I trust he does his proper research

[@GamusinoAlbino]

It's unbelievable how many times housing speculation has led to economic collapse and yet STILL humankind does not learn from their mistakes.

[@hawaii5078]

its just pure captalism, housing is a marcked that is need but we doens´t necessarily need to survive like food, you will live a very shit life without a hose, but you may not die. It basicaly allow to hight speculation prices due the interests of the macket. A lot of contrys are just like this, just look the price of the squere meter on france, portugal, USA and Brazi, the brazil one counts more for the states captals that are usually bigger citys, (im brasilian)

[@adamconrad5249]

not an accident

[@cosmicelectron]

It's because everytime it collapse the economy the people who made the stupid decisions get bailed out, so from their perspective, it's risk free profit,

[@Serizon_]

Georgism is an idea we should implement

[@voidvector]

Land is a finite resource, so in normal economic conditions (country where population or wealth are growing), land value can only go up. So it is a pretty good investment vehicle.

[@jamesmapper3456]

"Deng Xiaoping loved all cats, black or white!" that quote reference hit like a truck

[@hyjcxyz]

邓远不如毛。

[@d1g1talb0y000]

the original quotation is like " a cat is a good cat no matter black or white, as long as it catches mouse"

[@papayongsarninei8133]

@@d1g1talb0y000 And initiated the downfall of Chinese morality . It doesn't matter if the cat steal , cheat , rob, scam , as long as it can get the mouse , it's a good cat .

[@d1g1talb0y000]

@@papayongsarninei8133 yes, the ends always justify the means

[@drazzle6267]

💯

[@Thegoldenaerobar2]

I think one of the most underrated things about these videos are that every country is their national animal (or most popular animal I'm pretty sure)

[@Giggleflea]

🐃

[@arthurvanrodds2772]

It's its special charm because most geography channels use country balls or just plain flags

[@TiananmenSquirrel]

🦁🦁🦁

[@mapper7310]

@@arthurvanrodds2772 tired of countryballs tbh, the animals are very original and cool

[@imstupid880]

The US's national animal is a bull?

[@dewinmoonl]

Chinese here. A somewhat personal account on why we don't consume. When you plant rice, for every grain you don't eat, you can replant them to grow more for next year. Famine is always around the corner, so you SAVE. The more grain stock, the safer.

[@Thegoldenaerobar2]

That's smart

[@nick.v.g]

only the chinese goverment is spending like crazy and there depth is increasing fast.

[@CMitchell808]

@@briondalionDe-escalation? Are you scared of China?

[@beyondobscure]

@@CMitchell808 why aren't you

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@@beyondobscureim not CM But they havent been in a war sence the war in viatnam after the us withdrew from there Then china invaded and failed

[@rew434]

That moment when he said “at the beginning of the 2020’s” 😳

[@envy1372]

China is such a paradox. They created an economic miracle that brought a nation of a billion people out of poverty but, it’s like they just went too fast and didn’t ever build the consumer habits of a developed country. They have a population that produces like developed nation but spends like a non developed one, which IRONICALLY leads them to becoming a less developed nation because their homegrown businesses can’t become as successful as European or American companies that have great domestic economies to support their global expansion down the line. Combine that with their less than stellar reputation internationally and you have the worlds biggest almost super power that is going to spend decades implementing policies to make the jump that likely will just lead to them going backwards or treading water. Going to be quite the story over our lifetimes.

[@h0ser]

Couldn’t have said it any better myself, dazy Patrick

[@deralufe9094]

That economic miracle are foreign companies investing in china. The same companies which are now not investing anymore. China did not elevate anybody out of poverty. They just made it illegal to talk about it. The recent deceased prime minister even publicly aknowled the extreme poor earnings of the avarage chinese, which made him a big enemy of the CCP.

[@-Katastrophe]

I assume you mean out of poverty in general terms, as poverty is still a major social issue in China today.

[@johndoe-qz1rl]

Why would a socialist country care about developing "consumer habits"

[@ColinTan]

Their objectives are different. Unlike the west they think speculation and property only leads to wealth inequality. That is why they have pricked asset price bubbles. They favour manufacturing over financial engineering. As for homegrown companies, they have proven very nimble. Huawei just made record profits and their EV's are starting to appear everywhere. That copycat thing was said of Japanese companies in the seventies that they will not amount to anything. China's reputation isn't that bad, not perfect but better than the US in many parts of the developing world because they are consistent and not preachy.

[@jakubcerny6325]

Double your social credit and give it to a next person💀

[@ilect1690]

-200000 to -400000

[@oliverheflin7803]

-200000 to -800000

[@goodbye3064]

-800000 to -1600000

[@tomlxyz]

The social credit is more like a credit score than what all those memes make it out to be

[@rokaspleckaitis8924]

Nobody is buying it, china shill

[@gears6016]

>Does nothing >Wins He can't keep getting away with this!

[@JerryCuberton]

Wow, a geopolitics KZbinr that isn't making a video on the potential downfall of China, a rarety

[@thetinyfishygaming5720]

its because he already did that 💀💀💀

[@boiscooka232]

​@@thetinyfishygaming5720he isn't Gordon Cheng 😭

[@girl_twink]

wdym, clearly from all those videos its clear china will collapse in 30 minutes

[@kimjunguny]

China is already on the downfall, if they can’t get young workers to the country it will literally fail.

[@andrewreynolds912]

Yea we been told it will coll'apse for like the last 30 plus years it's just bs

[@Spidr2000]

This was posted at the best time. I'm writing a final paper for a college class on China

[@airtale8725]

don't forget to include the fact that the sinicisation project under xi includes the ethnic and cultural genocide of all chinese minoritiies

[@Spidr2000]

@@Amoore-vv9wx what? Im getting a general idea of new topics on top of what I already know. Plus he links all of his sources in the description I think it’s a good source of information

[@VirisNS]

a lot of this is too rosy a look on china.

[@Spidr2000]

@@VirisNS well it’s one perspective yeah I’ve been researching the country all semester

[@miri-dz9oy]

You might want to include Lei's Real Talk on KZbin in your research. She is a data analyst by profession and since she is a Chinese who moved to the US she also includes lots of China data that is not easy to find for Westerners. She really stands out in what she is doing and is right on the money if I may say so. I agree with the other comment answers here. The picture painted here is too rosy and provides unfortunately a too superficial view. Greetings from Germany and much success with your paper! PS: To provide you with a spoiler: One of the many things I've learned from watching her content is that China has now thanks to this unprecedented building boom in human history appr. 3 billion homes for a population of 1.4 billion if you go with the official data. It's been a huge waste of resources which is sad.

[@dogwithhat947]

I bought a waterhose from china and it blew up immediately

[@Tj33333]

It’s not the Chinese fault you were too cheap to buy the more expensive hose.

[@kato2395]

​@@Tj33333 what is the selling point of chinese products beside being cheap then? If it is not cheap I'd better get something not made in China

[@FlipzPlayz]

@@kato2395 to say you support china, buy from you own country if u have national pride and what to keep the cash within your borders

[@ThabBodyJab]

Bro the little animal doodles with different country’s flags on them are actually pretty cool. You should sell stickers of them.

[@omgitschris]

He had Mexico as an Axolotl

[@Dr.Kraig_Ren]

I think it's usually the national animal or bird of respective nation.

[@Cheezoidberg]

Make them in China. 🇨🇳

[@sourlemon3337]

@@Dr.Kraig_RenBritain’s national animal is the Lion, not the bulldog

[@andystephon871]

I cannot stop getting ads for BYD cars as a jamaican

[@mq5731]

Exploding batteries…

[@BischannelYT]

@@mq5731 🤫🤫🤫

[@noahhultgren1710]

American here, Id rather die in a battery fire than shift with a touchscreen like in a Tesla.

[@mq5731]

@@noahhultgren1710 Bruh, just don’t buy an EV; just get a Toyota Prius Hybrid. They have a longer range than an EV, better build quality and batteries that don’t explode on a regular basis, and don’t have stupid touch screens for important functions. Funny thing is, unlike BYD and Tesla, Toyota knows how to make half decent cars. Toyotas tend to last longer and have better part availibility. You dont have to worry about Toyota saying you dont have the right to repair your own vehicle. Sure when it comes to price, a Prius or a Hybrid Corolla is twice the price of a BYD Seagull, but you won’t have to deal with made in China B.S. What’s the point of paying 10k for a BYD car that dies less than 100 miles off the lot(True story btw, SerpenZA has a whole video covering the issues with BYD)

[@saulgoodmanKAZAKH]

I'd rather have a chinese electrocar rather than give a cent to Elon

[@DavidVallner]

“more goods than the Chinese could or wanted to use” bruh no it’s called wage repression, very common to accomplish an ongoing trade balance surplus, even Germany does it

[@4zir856]

in which industrial field does it germany? I thought that having high salary workers to pay, and regulations which actually have to be followed was very inconvenient for that matter. Why not simply relocate your business to a poor country which takes bribes and you have acess to slave-wage workers with no civil rights? Would sound like a no brainer to me.

[@DavidVallner]

@@4zir856 I can’t pinpoint a specific field, it’s just how the basic numbers work out. If a country exports more than it imports, it means its workers in aggregate have a smaller income than the value of the things they produce. Otherwise they’d ultimately spend it on imports - the money that comes into the country from a trade surplus doesn’t just disappear. That Germany’s workers sit at the top of the value chain in Europe doesn’t mean their wages aren’t repressed. It’s precisely because they sit on top of the value chain that this work didn’t get outsourced; low value-added work is commoditized and that is what makes it easy to outsource. E.g., you have Volkswagen which makes cars. Let’s split this process into two parts: design and manufacture. To design a car platform, you need a relatively small amount of highly skilled workers perfecting the so-called platform. VW can and wants these workers to be based in Germany because this work needs education and a lot of experience. But it doesn’t matter that you have to pay say a hundred of these guys €200k a year each for five years (€100m total) because the outcome of their work is a car design they make use of in every car they sell, and VW sells ten million cars a year. Over said five years the cost of this design team makes up like 2€ out of every car sold (for tens of thousands of euros) in our example. Conversely, because these guys solve the problem of “how to make a reliable car”, you can then have lower-paid workers in Europe’s periphery handle manufacturing because they mostly follow the instructions and man the assembly lines created in Germany. But to get back on point, none of this means that the German workers receive the full value of their work as income. German policy and attitudes favour savings and (private) investment, it’s how they got here, but at some point it’s turning towards their detriment. You save money to spend it on consumption later, and you invest money to make the things you want to consume later more abundant; if you do either without the matching deferred consumption, you’re just making a fake number go up.

[@DavidVallner]

@@4zir856 And you can’t relocate this design work because “car designed by Germans and made to german designs” carries a lot more weight than “car designed and made in Turkey that VW slapped a sticker on” A lot of American companies tried doing the second thing - the ideal US corporation is one that doesn’t make anything because then you don’t have to pay anyone to do so, you just outsource everything and license your brand to suppliers. If you want to know how that’s going, you may have heard about Boeing in the news lately.

[@bumperbonnie5721]

@@DavidVallnerGM did it for years and they didn’t have any issues, they were able to continue wage suppression by closing North American plants which required higher wages and higher safety standards

[@DavidVallner]

@@bumperbonnie5721 I’m not familiar with GM but like have they really outsourced platform design as opposed to just manufacturing/assembly?

[@ReviveHF]

The real question is when China is going to reclaim Vladisvostok?

[@torelloBank]

reclaim Vladisvostok? what for if china will owned russia!

[@dulguunjargal1199]

When Russia has a Warlord Era of Course

[@baronvonjo1929]

Them trying to claim Siberia would honestly be hilarious....poor Mongolia though.

[@torelloBank]

@@baronvonjo1929 hilarious until reality hits hard.

[@fromfareast3070]

The most probable case is when Russia collapses into Anarchy. Or US return to its isolationist tradition. But since now the China is supporting Russia to prevents its collapse. So i think this would happen when US return to isolationist. Then China and Russia wont have the reason to cooperate since this cooperation exists only because of US.

[@muhammadabdullahwaseem3040]

watching all these growth videos is depressing af since my country, Pakistan is going the Congo route which is suck your country dry and don't give a crap about it. that's not very cash money of the government

[@cloudunknown]

move to norway like other pakistanis :D

[@maxim_ml]

not very cash money of them indeed

[@osasunaitor]

​@@cloudunknownJust Norway? I used to live in Barcelona and most of the taxi drivers and grocery sellers are Pakistani. The typical small grocery shops around the corner are now known as "Paki" shops by the locals. Regular conversations go like: "Oh shit I don't have beer left at home!" "No problem, the Paki next door is still open" And I heard it's the same in many Western European big cities. Pakistan's biggest export is raw people lol.

[@arbaz79]

​@ButtMash1 never heard of Pakistanis immigrating to Norway.They usually go to gulf countries & anglo-saxon countries.

[@osasunaitor]

Damn I posted a long comment explaining how there is also lots of Pakistani imigrants in Spain but YT deleted it for some bs reason.

[@afterhourscinema782]

*The VIRGIN CCP:* "Will you please cOnsoOom??" *The CHAD Chinese:* "No. 🗿"

[@zacksmith5644]

Ccp creates Chinese use World : plz give us as well

[@jakepassolt9640]

any thoughts on Donghua Jinlong's industrial grade glycine manufacturing?

[@Bone_.42069]

with that out of the way, are you aware of food grade glycine supplements that boost your body's protein production by a whopping 65%?!

[@n1mbusmusic606]

Lol wut

[@Frank-os6gq]

What is that used for?

[@dawwnbrk3r653]

😂😂 goated reference

[@computertesting6110]

Easily the best in class

[@mikk0706]

40 minute hoser video, let's goooo

[@kittikorn6674]

made in china is the new made in japan people hated it at first but accepted it later on

[@bilibiliism]

as chinese, I actually dont know why people in media are so stressed by the population decline. we (that is zoomer in china) almost all see it as a good thing. Its a hell to living in an overpopulated country. and the next generation may not need to live like that, it is stressful and competitative, makes you feel insignificant. maybe they can finally living like proper people. and I think it is a perfect timing for population decline now that is at the dawn of AI and robotic automation. the industry 20 years later will not need 1 billion workers.

[@javasiege]

the problem is less workers to pay for older people retiring, meaning higher taxes, worse pensions, or a higher retirement age.

[@bilibiliism]

@@javasiege assuming 20 years later due to advancement in automation we have productive force that can produce same amount of if not more goods with far less worker but cannot distribute it to elder people because there are less people to pay for it, I consider it more a failling of distribution system, social economical or otherwise. at certain point, I think we need to just accept that the system as it is based on assumption that there will always be more work needed to be done than that is avaliable will be simply unsustainable as it will be immaterial. For past decades china had been ramping up production more and more, but ironically our demand had been shrinking in past years. we are already producing more than we can consume yet we cant even afford lots of things we produce, to the degree that china has to keep finding oversea buyers to buy those massive amount of surplus goods just so our workers can afford basic needs. we are making all the washing machines and air conditioners to the entire world yet still 1/3 of chinese households cannot afford washing machines or air conditioners.The system stopped making sense to me at the point.

[@1mol831]

@@javasiege There are no retirement benefits in China the last time I heard… I think the retirees would have to perhaps fend for themselves.

[@热心网友-c8f]

@1mol831 In China a few decades ago, if you were born in a city or into an official family, you could easily get a good job and receive a high pension after retirement. However, if you were born in a rural area , or civilian families, it is difficult to get a decent job, and the pension after retirement is pitiful. The gap between rich and poor among the elderly is quite huge, and it all depends more on your origins than your efforts.

[@bilibiliism]

@@1mol831 thats not true. china uses both the monthly allowance type of retirement benefit that is government distributed universial allowance, and the saving account type as part of 五险一金 program. My parents are receiving it. the later depends on how much one contributed in their life time. the prior depends on the job and location and theres a minimal national standard which is very low about 300 yuan/month which is not liveable. but in rich cities like beijing and shanghai the municipal minimal standard is high enough to support bare minimal living. but there are other benefits, like public transport is usually free for elders, and community centers usually have free or heavily subsidized or supported by donation cafeterias for elder that is very cheap (like 5 yuan less than 1 dollar buffet). the biggest expense is always medical. I would say at current standard if one is not sick survival in china for elder is usually not a problem. but because our free health care was terminated by deng in 90s, and we have a fully market oriented healthcare at this point, illness can strike a severe blow to financial situation. the public hospitals are very reasonably priced but they are always understaffed because more and more doctors are drawn to private hospitals that are willing to pay more wage. but they are expensive, 10x more expensive than public hospitals.

[@Billydevito]

China will the the FIRST country in the world to make Soylent green. 🤣

[@thelordofnuggets629]

First is a bold word, we must pretend like in 1984, that the other place is a controlled dystopia, not ours.

[@arbs3ry]

We certainly won't be the first one to have that. The median salary in Shenzhen city is 5199 rmb per month in 2022， Today 2024.04.14 the potato is 2.99 rmb/kg Cabbage 3.79 rmb/kg Onion 1.99 rmb/500g Corn 3.89 rmb/1100g Broccoli 3.49 rmb/500g Rice 27.99 rmb/5kg Flesh made noodle 5.9 rmb/1kg Durian flavor pizza 6 rmb/130g Toufu 2.59rmb/400g Orange 30 rmb/4.5 kg Pork 8.9 rmb/500g Chicken chest 6.9 rmb/500g Egg 5 rmb/ 10 We are the biggest producers of many foods And what's more our friendly neighbour--Russia is one of the biggest food exporters in the world. Sure we import a lot of corn and other crops from outside especially the US but they are for growing meat, If we just eat simple and cheap meats such as chicken and eggs, then we don't even need to import crops and be self-suffient

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

@@arbs3ry "And what's more our friendly neighbor" Russia that country has shooting matches with over the boarder dispute? Saying you're friends is dishonest, you merely share a perceived enemy so you act nice. If China was capable of self sufficiency they wouldn't have been stock piling grains for a decade now.

[@deadinside9565]

@@arbs3ry FLESH MADE NOODLE

[@daseapickleofjustice7231]

Chinese man eat luxury fish and meat, Russian man eat caviar on blin, western man eat soy and syrup.

[@mkrchowdari9901]

BYD did succeed just cuz they were supported by China, they also worked incredibly hard and ended up as the survivor of a death game China unleashed on all Automobile Companies of China, that spiralled into a death game for the world in many manufacturing industries.

[@CeliaDuhSotong]

as someone who worked for huawei for a bit, theyre def hiring A LOT of electricity related position.

[@bena69]

Hello, what kind of power position is Huawei recruiting for? Micro-electric engineer or high current related engineer?

[@CeliaDuhSotong]

@@bena69 so far, since the last time i was there, renewable energy seems to be their main focus. you can google huawei careers, they have a portal or smt similar showing which field of talents they’re looking into.

[@jxmai7687]

@@bena69 sounds like for the battery plant with solar power, it is highly demand around the world, think about like buy gold in lower price and resell for high price by next day and day by day.

[@draedongaming2002]

Oh, sweet, a new hoser vid

[@Mynipplesmychoice]

Only this one is Chinese propaganda crap

[@Pilkas_Vilkas]

What a great video, the little history lesson really shows how they are willing to wildly change up things to keep growing. Some lessons to be learned there

[@julonkrutor4649]

Goku would win. No question about it. After all, he could blow up the planet without his powers by just useing his hands 😂

[@skylineXpert]

I highly doubt BYD could make It without subsidies from Beijing...

[@binch6291]

Something incredibly funny about China and America having persistent beef with one another and couching it in the language of ideology (particularly economic), despite both of them gradually moving to meet in the middle on economic policy for at least twenty years now.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Its one sided usa beef, the usa had beef with japan in the 80s too look up plaza accords

[@soyuznavy]

@@NeostormXLMAX"1 sided usa beef" yeah totally not because china is trying to bully southeast asia into letting them say a sea is theirs on a map

[@manipulatortrash]

​@NeostormXLMAX when did we have beef with japan in the 80s lol. If anything, we were anticipating they'd become a superpower of a sort and weren't even really worried.

[@binch6291]

@@manipulatortrash The US engaged in heavy economic protectionism against Japan in the 1980s. Hard caps on auto imports, substantial tariffs on pretty much all industrial goods they viewed as a threat to American industrial capacity. It’s not indefensible depending on your one’s economic philosophy but this *was* Reagan era policy which makes it rather ironic.

[@manipulatortrash]

@@binch6291 when people say the US had beef, there's an implication that there is some sort of politically and culturally juxtaposition between the two. I'm not even suggesting the US wasn't trying to suppress Japanese dominance over particular parts of their market and industry, it's more than just numbers and money. My point right now is that anyone trying to paint US-Japanese relations to that of modern US-Chinese relations heavily misunderstand the entire situation of the 80's. Japanese dominance wasn't feared nearly as much as the Chinese and many Japanese products then and now are still praised for its high quality. Japan's economic situation then is very different from that of China's right now. The very accords the person i responded to mentioned isn't even an instance of the US somehow having crippled Japan. It involved other nations and was done to maintain an economic order everyone involved wanted to ensure would continue on. The idea of American "beef" with Japan is just wrong. Friendly nations have participated in economic protectionism in plenty of sectors over history. I mean, do people really think US-Japanese relations have any real resemblance to that of modern day US-Chinese relations? Even on economic terms the only real similarity is that of "well trade happens and there is some sort of protectionism happening," which really isn't much against the larger backdrop of politics and the general populace's feelings as a whole.

[@hypejuice1321]

I am once again asking you to make a video on Uganda! 40 minutes of my boo boo bear goat Hoser tho 🤤

[@Frd2004]

Average geography youtuber: Wait they are not collapsing?!

[@rocketamadeus3730]

Geography?

[@headoverheels88]

The little animal animations always crack me up, like the panda with a jackhammer at 27:50 and the lion with a microscope at 30:25 lol.

[@mintgustd8434]

I love how China does such a great job on focusing on reducing poverty, they are still aiming to reduce even more, and life in China is just so civilised already . Despite the fact that China has issues with freedom of speech and all. But to be honest , nobody in China cares about that, most chinese people just love their own country and would like to keep living there for the rest of their life. Even though for other countries , they may not understand some of our ways.

[@mynamesnotshanekid813]

China's policies on economics is great, but it could really work on qorking conditions and free speech. I do, however love high speed rail and it makes me happy that a rising superpower is looking towards the future.

[@m2heavyindustries378]

Enough bot written content in this comment to make ChatGPT look like an etch-a-sketch

[@raymondmassenburgii902]

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that this is my favorite channel. I really like the long-form video too, please do more!

[@trireme5276]

Maybe the Chinese don't consume because they went from rags to riches in such a short timespan, so they still have the "poverty mentality" in spending? For example I'm not Chinese but my parents come from substinence farmer families and even though they have a decent jobs and life now, they still very rarely go to vacation because they'd rather save up for the 3rd house they're going to buy. My little brother has been begging them to replace his 12 year old computer but they think this(and any money spent on entertainment) is a waste of money.

[@Wabu_227]

China is wealthy at the governmental level, certainly, but the average Chinese citizen is far from being "rich" like those from developed countries. China's average income is not even half of that of neighboring developed Asian countries such as Japan, South Korea, etc., and their youth unemployment rate is extremely high. Also, the Chinese population living in rural areas is also extremely backwards compared to those in large cities.

[@zhengjy5401]

the simple reason why their domestic consumption stagnates or even declines is that they export the products. If you want to keep the price of your goods competitive to boost export, you need to manage to lower the salary of workers which in turn lower the purchasing power of them.

[@IOSALive]

hoser, This is so fun! I'm happy I found your channel!

[@charlieroebuck4240]

Hoser please let me see the kids again please I beg you you can't keep them away

[@purpleblah2]

There's a lack of trust in domestic products amongst mainland Chinese, and an impression that imported Western products are generally of better quality. For example, there was a big scandal in 2008 where milk was contaminated and a bunch of babies died, so if they can afford it, a lot of Chinese buy imported dairy from Australia or Europe, and packaged baby formula from places like the US or Canada. That's why if you're ever visiting relatives in China, your parents pack your suitcase full of baby formula and vitamins/fish oil to give as gifts.

[@-Shubo-]

As a Chinese. I can accurately tell you that it was a national shock. In fact, more than one company has done so. The government just punished the worst ones and dissolved them. Other companies simply fined and corrected. The funny thing is that this has been reported in the media many times before, but it has been suppressed by public relations. Thanks to the New Zealand milk Company. They have cooperation with Chinese companies. When they learned of this, they contacted the Chinese government directly. The matter came to light. In 2008, there was too much corruption in China. Of course it has improved a lot now. This is a credit to xi.

[@keraider]

You are brave to post a balanced China vid, kudos bro

[@Withnail1969]

Chinese goods are excellent if you pay for the good ones. i know that myself. Better than anything I've purchased here.

[@nouriddin3375]

40 minute banger, thank you boss

[@sergiotlx]

The boss liked your comment, but you only have one like. Wth.

[@nefigushki]

So the new-new-plan is to sink tons of capital in "Electric Manufacturing", rather than in "Infrastructure", with the expectation that it will have a trickle-down effect. Why do I picture a different coloured bubble?

[@user-10021]

Well at least you can export electric devices when your own people don’t buy it, you can’t export an house

[@Xind0898]

its the benefit of replacing oil imports with the new infra based on electric, and reduced reliance and hedging the oil price volatility on manufacturing inputs, the new jobs on the R&D front on all the eletric replacement parts and techs, those aren't bubble as it creeate real return rather than fiat return.

[@markosmataasii2000]

So you rather see your hard earned money plowed to paper assets like stocks & bitcoin and called them growth like what US is happening? Now that's the mirage and how fake US economy I say. Lol.

[@grimgrahamch.4157]

I'm immediately reminded of their EV grave yards. Plus, this all implies that Chinese youth want to buy these products. With cars being notoriously expensive, they would have to make a choice between that and child rearing. And considering the population decline that's putting them between a rock and a hard place.

[@Xind0898]

@@grimgrahamch.4157 the so called EV grave yard is another photographic/propaganda master piece lol. You dont need to look to the future, China is already the biggest auto market by far, and EV is now more than 50% of total auto sales in China in March. Population decline is a gradual process over next 50-100 year, it won't have a visible effect on economy for atleast 3 more decades. If China is between a rock and a hard place right now, then I can argue China has ALWAYS been between a rock and hard place, and despite that China has done very well compare to all other nations on earth

[@WildsDreams45]

I've never known Chinese people to be Big spenders. Any Chinese people I've encountered were always big on saving money while Americans, oh my God! You want to talk about some spenders? My former boss bought a hundred thousand dollar truck just because it looks cool. The guy lives in a giant house in the middle of the city. That's his commuting vehicle lmao. He thinks I'm crazy for driving a minivan when I could be driving a Porche to work.

[@pipiqiqi4010]

because China is rich that mean the government is rich instead of the common people in China. unlike the government in west, Chinese government don't spend enough money for the basic public welfare and social security, so people are fear of the uncertainty of the future, and they need to save most of their income for the education, medical, housing and the life when they get old. but on the contrary, these basic social securities have been provided universally by the government in the west, so their people can just spend all of their income on consumption every month without any worry for the life in the next month or further future.

[@WildsDreams45]

@@pipiqiqi4010 I understand that. However, I think Chinese people here in the States are more conservative with their cash because of their culture, and it's not just them, but a lot of Asians in general are usually good with managing their finances and it's harder to get them to buy your products.

[@pipiqiqi4010]

@@WildsDreams45 the second generation of the wealthy Chinese is not that so conservative, many of them are the consumers of the luxury cars and houses in the west. if you are familiar with some newcomers from China mainland after 2010, you will find they are absolutely not conservative with cash at all.

[@WildsDreams45]

@@pipiqiqi4010 Interesting. I never knew about that.

[@ssrbgangimaribotan6thofthe12]

@@WildsDreams45 that also depends. Usually people like that are rich second generations or third generations, or people who grown in a more maericanized community. Asian often gathers together and lived in a community and so many of them influenced each other a lot. In southeast Asia a lot of the Chinese are just like you mentioned. stingy as fuck and loves to save every penny. But tat the same time the younger generations is a mix, some are somewhat saving a lot but some spends a lot as they often got swept up by trends too.

[@sayarce69]

Some would say that china's EVs are explosive!

[@fintanb8413]

That was excellent, thank you.

[@michaelsomething7674]

It's called the 5th Revolution. The 6th is space travel, deep sea mining, and ai

[@1mol831]

Let’s have the 7th Revolution, which is the reactionaries taking back the power

[@cashewnuttel9054]

The 7th will be interstellar travel?

[@FlipzPlayz]

@@cashewnuttel9054 nah that's the USA invading out of jealousy

[@dao.y4460]

Damn I can't even afford a car ,so I believe the Chinese one might be my first one,btw the average income in my country is like 200 dollars a month 😂

[@chad522]

He summoned the Chinese bots and ccp defenders with this one

[@bolothegiantfriendlypillbu4075]

yeah im seeing a lot of them in here, that statement of 'don't trust everything you see on the internet' still reigns true especially now.

[@dowmein]

tfw you walk through the nation of green technology and you feel like you are in a ww1 gas attack.

[@pigpen1978]

Stuff like this happens in many country's. They develop, workers want more money, the government wants more money so they go to an undeveloped nation with cheap labor and lax governments and start the process over again. The only thing is, it's taking less time now. It took America 100 years to develop to that point but only took 20 or so with China.

[@feili8675]

Agree on most parts, but the underwhelming domestic consumption was mainly caused by its conservative tradition and lack of financial instruments, with which a huge amount of savings surpluses have been taken advantage of by short sighted local authorities. Sadly, it’s deeply rooted, not easy to deal with😢

[@toopink4death492]

Imo Affordable and High Tech are something I would never touch because it means that safety is at an all time low. You gotta cut something out to make that vehicle make profit.

[@Jamhael1]

The problem in the HT business is in these aspects: - materials (chemicals, minerals, etc); - technological level; - utility; - reliability; And the Chinese government have an entire governmental department ONLY to study this, with their best minds being hired for this. Combine this with their historical obsession with census (since imperial times, China has entire libraries only for statistics and tallies) they can take a very pragmatic, if not a little brutish, in their economical planning. In a way, China has a room of scientists in which the government throws money and data at them and scream "DO SCIENCE! GO!"

[@bungercolumbus]

I love this channel. It feels like it's actually telling something true. Not as exaggerated as I have seen in other videos.

[@DipakBose-bq1vv]

China is still a command economy. That is the clue for its success.

[@jackson0228]

Another absolute banger video Please post more I need the brain nourishment

[@MrMellin]

It makes me happy that China will be heading towards a more domestic and self sufficient economy. This will inevitably force those of us in the west to do the same and rely less on cheaper imports. This will create more opportunity for local work and distribute the wealth more evenly, as opposed to the wealthy getting away with cheaper labor costs at the expense of their own citizens.

[@jackywhite9756]

Many EVs "sold" in China were not actually sold. China counts sales by counting number of licence plates registered. Retailers get licences but don't actually sell the vehicle but it's counted towards the National numbers. They get heavy incentives to do this. Hence, like their housing crisis, china has many EV graveyards, new unsold EVs stock piled. Once they are kept for too long they will not sell.

[@swedgephd]

the cope in the comments is hilarious and sad

[@parkerburrus289]

?

[@dunzhen]

Nothing hurts the egos of westerners like China. Non racists can appreciate

[@austinyou2757]

At least I never seen a Tesla eject it’s passenger while driving down the street

[@RaCiSt-004C]

US call china panda China and Asian countries call China dragon 😂 it's kind of fun !!

[@SealandIsBestCountry]

Yeah cause dragons don't exist so China doesn't exist. Scource: Bhutanese government

[@sharduljadhav3189]

Please make a video on India.

[@izana6179]

Their story hasn't started yet.

[@AdvancedGamer-]

I remember when the title was “China’s new new plan” and the thumbnail said “it’s not over” with fire burning a building

[@AdvancedGamer-]

WTF he changed it back! Ok the one before he changed it back was the title being something about electronics and the thumbnail being yellow sparks coming out

[@omarbojorquez7826]

I work at a large solar field and all the solar panels, Battery storage and the voltage inverters are BYD, id say maybe look into that stock it may blow up in the future

[@GardenOfEdenYT]

What makes you say that? Genuine question :)

[@benadrylterror9713]

@@GardenOfEdenYT stick to american companies there is no point in trying to invest in chinese ones they fluctuate too much ( ex alibaba) they have some weird business practices

[@GardenOfEdenYT]

@@benadrylterror9713 ok but they make stuff. Stuff that a lot of companies across the world use so I wanna be in the know before something goes gang buster

[@StateoftheWorld]

WOW hoser

[@LabelsAreMeaningless]

Solar is inefficient and it is not clean when you consider the immense amount of land they need to strip in order to build a solar farm, or the maintenance and manufacturing. There also is a limited supply of cobalt. Both lithium and cobalt mines are incredibly destructive and both use mostly cheap labor including children with low safety protocols. How many blue children do you want? The only place that solar is a decent idea is on the individual level, not on a mass scale. As for windmills (which require fossil fuel based lubricant), kill wildlife and also strip a ton of land. Can we please stop being absurd and start looking at efficient forms of energy which minimizes resource and land use? This insanity is helping no one except possibly investors short term.

[@William_Fei]

I highly doubt it. Maybe you are smarter than think tanks of all major countries

[@zacksmith5644]

Source ,m proof ????

[@gail694]

China’s basically making an American dream 2.0. Of you’re a middle age man, and someone tells you how life is in America vs China, and how they’re struggling to make a house, they’ll probably say, “BACK IN MY DAY, I BOUGHT A HOUSE AT -17 AND HAD A CHILD BY -22! WHY AREN’T YOU GUYS GETTING SETTLED IN SO FAST?!” Back in my day, we experienced the 2008 financial crash due to mortgages and as a result, buying a chocolate bar costed 100,000 dollars. The median home price in China is less than 150,000 dollars and in America’s it’s over $350,000. I don’t think that’s getting paid off with a Walmart salary.

[@machone539]

There is this thing called "burn rate". China is running through a ton of money made during the good days. When that runs out (aka burn rate), China will collapse. That is why a ton of higher ups are stashing their ill gotten gains in other countries.

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

I thought their gains are padded & heavily subsidized, yes?

[@h0ser]

Yes their industries are heavily subsidized and many numbers are padded

[@mynamesnotshanekid813]

That gain is still real and subsidies is how most things get done around the world, like food and scientific innovation.

[@janneyovertheocean9558]

No; China did not elevate 850,000,000 of their people into ‘upper middle class’ - unless you redefine the criteria or meaning of that phrase by extra-ordinary means.

[@ssrbgangimaribotan6thofthe12]

He meant by upper middle class is the country's economic classification from a lower income to a upper middle income country which makes sense cause China haven't yet reached the High income barrier yet. While the 850 million is elevated from extreme poverty. Btw extreme poverty meant they cannot even afford basic needs so there are still poverty its just not so bad that they cannot afford basic needs. It's just the separation of those 2 points is hard to detect when its a verbal content rather than in writing.

[@tomjohnson9833]

Back in the real world, chinese BEV manufacturers are suffering from enormous overcapacity at the moment due to market saturation and general slowdown in domestic consumption. So they have no choice to export that overcapacity, often at cost or below. Globally the BEV market is beginning to slow as charging networks and battery raw materials become strained. I forget the source, but BEVs are reaching market saturation now, as everyone who wants one already has one, and the barriers to further market penetration - like homes without driveways - are beyond the power of most governments to fix.

[@JonySmith-bb4gx]

ChineseOk prove it . Show ncap test results for Chinese EVs Byd , zeekr , xpeng . I ll wait . I challenged many and all ran away . Let's see if you run away as well 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ihavetowait90daystochangem67]

Hopefully China isn’t the first country to make it back to the good after this

[@mattheww.6232]

It remains to be seen. All this hinges on people buying Chinese EVs and governments being onboard with the insanity of Chinese solar panels being good for the environment.

[@DefensisIndus]

All countries are experiencing a 'shift' right now 👁️‍🗨️😂 Best time for world Duels to boost Economy

[@mynamesnotshanekid813]

​@p.ipebomb you mean wars, right?

[@paytonmcdermott9111]

Some good info but for the most part this was a rank propaganda video

[@randombully3798]

Currently pakistan is in pretty shit situation. How about video about that in future? Plus you will probably get lots of views by ahem... their patriotic neighbours

[@ponuni]

Chinese people don't consume because it's just the culture and how they're taught. They save and save and do more saving. My parents bring in about 9k US a month and they probably spend like 1k and stash away the rest lmaoo. They don't take vacations or do anything fun. It's a really sad life if you ask me. I'm also the same way LOL, but i'm slightly better than them, just slightly.

[@leonardohernandezcabrera7541]

Well, society in the United States used to be that way, they only worked and saved, they worried more because a product was so useful. But with the new discoveries in psychoanalysis companies and the government little by little began to change society to a very consumerist one. Listen to the documentary "The Century of the Self" I think neither of the two extremes is very good.

[@QuarkFox]

Great video but the way you pronounced volkswagen made me physically cringe

[@wingedharmony]

Wild Quark sighting (haii :3)

[@milanoxiel7853]

We had famine in the 00’s and 10’s due to the Qing collapse, another famine in the 20’s due to the revolutionary war, another one in the 30’s due to the Chinese civil war, another in the 40’s due to Japanese invasion, and another in the 50’s due to you know what, then the great famine hits in the 60’s and early 70’s, this caused that our people value food more then everything 😂

[@pipiqiqi4010]

China is rich that mean the government is rich instead of the common people in China. unlike the government in west, Chinese government don't spend enough money for the basic public welfare and social security, so people are fear of the uncertain of the future, and they need to save lots of their income for the education, medical, housing and the life when they get old. but on the contrary, these basic social securities have been provided by the government in the west, so their people can just spend all their income every month without any worry for the life in the next month or further future.

[@zacksmith5644]

Ok prove it Waiting Govt is only rich if people are prosperous

[@heldercaze6333]

​​​@@zacksmith5644 Go to saudi arabia or Iran :D Anyway a government can be rich without its population, it's a fact that themassive gdp of china becomes from the relatively qualifiacated and big population, what we see nowdays is it progress to make the population prosperous, don't it's prosperity.

[@pipiqiqi4010]

@@zacksmith5644 just take the pension of retiree as an example, the government staff average retire pension is 1.5 times -2 times of the normal people, and 50-100 times of the farmers in rural area. do you think where these money come from? let alone other welfares only the government staffs have. compare with the government staffs in other countries, Chinese government must be the richest government in the world.

[@Check_Engine253]

Wtf are you talking about. China build so much things for the people. The minimum wages double in the last 20 years and the quality of life increases exponentially. China is much better than usa in many fields. The only thing usa is ahead is chip manufacturing but not for long. In the next 5 years china will be in the same level with usa. China engineers are smart and the amount of engineers is insane compared to the usa. Most of the academic paper publish are from china

[@pipiqiqi4010]

@@Check_Engine253 do you know how much money the minimum wage in China is? it is 2109RMB equals less than 300 dollars per month. and you said the minimum wages doubled, but you haven't mentioned the price of everything increased at least 4 times. such as the price of apartment in Beijing, which increased 20 times from 3000RMB to the current price 60000RMB per square meter. if you ask the strangers in the street randomly, are they happier than 10 or 20 years ago? I think most people will give you a negative answer. as to the academic paper, we know 99% percent of them are useless, because Chinese has the most university students in the world, and each student need to submit a paper if they want to get the certificate of graduation.

[@AL95621]

I’m guessing he hasn’t done his due diligence on BYD , their cars are shit. So many issues with their cars not enough text I this post to write everything out . . .

[@UserNameWasCensored]

5:17 - Between 1978 and 2022, average Chinese growth was 9.1% (compared to 2.6% for the US). Growing from 1 to 2 is 100% growth. Increasing from 100 to 101 is 1% growth. Both involve increases of 1. This stat just shows that China was really, really, really, really, really poor and backwards in 1978.

[@smallcube-zn2mm]

Also shows US is too much lucky

[@hanamaomao]

and in 2023 chinas growth was 5.6% ... what is your point ?

[@UserNameWasCensored]

@@hanamaomao I guess my "point" was to test people's capacity to comprehend a comment. I'm sorry if I failed you.

[@hanamaomao]

@@UserNameWasCensored chinas gdp was second in 2023 , and still increased by 5.6% . so thanks for supporting china

[@UserNameWasCensored]

@@hanamaomao You're welcome. I appreciate the fact that you now understand that the factual increase from 1 to 2 is the same as the increase from 100 to 101.

[@AntonieRamos-fo2vz]

Did you not know china has been shown to lie about there gdp?

[@raidenshougun9663]

OMG!!!!! HOLY!!!!!! MAN THAT JUST CHANGED MY VIEW ON CHINA?!=!?!?!??!?! YOUR SO SMART!!!! SERPENTZA IS THE GOAAATT!!!!!!!

[@killazee8113]

Lot of people are discussing how unbiased this video is, and I would agree that Hoser is looking at China from a perspective you don't often get on yt and in mainstream media. And while I don't think Hoser said anything factually incorrect, he certainly left some information out. Just one example, Hoser talked a lot about how Chinese don't buy/consume much domestic products at all, but he didn't really say why. One major reason for this is the utter lack of quality of domestic made products. The Chinese people are the ones working in the factories making these products that get sent all over the world, they know how they're made and they're not dumb, they know a lot made over there is shit quality. And so, if they can, they'll ante up the funds to pay for more expensive but substantially higher quality imported items. Another example is when he talks about Chinas domestic vehicle manufacturing. Yes, they're pumping out incredibly, almost unbelievably cheap electric cars. Hell, in the last month or two Xiaomi released an all electric copy of a Porsche Taycan for pennies on the dollar and its filled to the brim with new, sophisticated features. But if you look at the experiences of normal people with the thing and not auto magazine reviewers and western sycophants, you'll see their build quality is abysmal, the paneling on the back of the front wheel wells for example is extremely prone to seperating and then hanging or falling off! It's only been out since March and that is already a widespread issue. It's new fancy features, like its self driving, are terrible! They seem almost designed to kill the driver! There have been an incredible number of accidents by that car so far, way more than you'd normally see with a new car. To be fair, it's possible the drivers don't understand how to properly use the self driving feature, but this isn't the first car in China to have that feature, and the number of accidents are simply so many its hard to believe that many drivers are clueless. These are just a couple of examples of things Hoser left out of the video. And while I do think it was a decent watch, it gives a bit if a false perspective on China's current and future prospects

[@mRahman92]

Why would Chinese want to spend more, when cost of living going up, and they are culturally a people who save their money. It's highly unlikely any nation can truly decoupage. The infrastructure is just too stong, you know, economy of scale and such.

[@sodadrinker89]

Infrastructure built with Tofu.

[@mRahman92]

@sodadrinker89 no, it's not, you're just being caty. You still buy cheap Chinese made products. You don't wanna pay more for stuff made elsewhere. No one makes as many they do, and for a lower cost.

[@MrBlackgobbo]

They are harvesting the fruits of ending their housing bubble in 2018 with the policy "Housing for living, not investment". There's a graph that shows how credit for housing has felt to the previous industrial credit levels and the industrial credit has multiply x3 since the reform. They did what we have to do if we want a healthier economy. Housing market does not create value. It doesn't rotate or export, the competition is not perfect; it is limited by time and space. And every value that shares with synergic industries ends in the same hands because everyone needs a house for living. It is a big gasket for the rest of the economy. Instead of investing savings on productivity, Western economies have tons of capital freeze on housing market that just contribute to income concentration, high cost of living and business operatives, limits the entrepreneurship and slows the growth of the rest of the economy. We are turning in non-productive landlord technofeudal societies.

[@thetreeofdoom2957]

Bro is glazing Winnie The Pooh so hard 😂😂

[@MasonNoakes-h3l]

31:51 the friendly wave

[@LeanlovesLain143]

My shoes are Niek made in China❤

[@kylinlinux7742]

Great journalism, great research! Your understanding of present Geo-politics is spot on.

[@ethanc4667]

Are you a shill? This seems one sided 🤨

[@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067]

god forbid he didnt spend 40 minutes talking about individual freedom or things westoids talk about to downplay chinas achievements

[@Stalkerfan498]

@@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067 Human freedom and dignity, the right to not be silenced and oppressed. Definitely a "westoid" thing huh?

[@ethanc4667]

@@Stalkerfan498 lmao what?

[@Stalkerfan498]

@@ethanc4667 either he or youtube deleted his comment lol

[@fishfish-jz1wn]

maoist said that the starvation in the 50s is caused by weather and often claim the importance of the initial industrialization program started by mao and depreciate the agricultural growth in the post mao era aka the Deng's time. They said that the growth china have after Mao era is by decreasing the workers right and gradually taking both political and economic right workers used to have in Mao era. they claim it by listing the depression happened in the 90s when workers lose their jobs county-widely and democratic movement are now allowed. also maoist said that the ideology all over the china is capitalism and the proletarian dictatorship is destroy and taken by the bourgeoisie the way they develop economy is just the same as how south Korea and Singapore even Taiwan whos government are strict in their economic growth times which the way they did so is not moral.

[@JohnLeePettimoreIII]

you failed to mention the abuse of, and lack of protective laws (environment & workers), poor quality ("tofu dreg"), predatory subsidies, etc.

[@mynamesnotshanekid813]

Crazy that one might overlook something tangentially related that doesn't exactly add to the maom subject of the video. The added nuance would be nice, but i think it might be better for another video where a more in-depth investigation into how the Chinese example's flaws and failings and how to work past it. Also, the predatory subsidies are 100% based in this scenario and I wish that's how it worked in Canada. Companies that get subsidized by the government should 100% work in the government's interest. Better to be able to police what a company can and can't do in exchange of money instead of just giving them money. A carrot on a stick instead of just giving out carrots.

[@shzarmai]

please create a video about North Africa vs the future 🇩🇿 🇲🇦 🇹🇳 🇱🇾 🇸🇩 🇪🇬 🇲🇷

[@mrHippo-ln6gi]

thank you for feeding us father

[@bhimachan2578]

Have you ever gone to China ? Instead of talking crap

[@oksanabashkirtseva2583]

Your videos used to be much more humorous and I miss that. I understand that not everything should be flashy and dumbed down but it seemed like humour was the core aspect of your channel. I remember rewatching your video about numbers at least 5 times because of how packed with jokes it was. Now I can barely make it till the end without falling asleep. Is my low attention span to balme?... I don't know, however, it's a shame that I get the sense of negligent work from over 30 minutes-long videos... 😬😬😬

[@Un_Pour_Tous]

"Tofu-dreg project"

[@january10005]

China has space station and satelite at the moon, mean while boeing "tofu" made american astronauts stranded and unsure when they can come home 😂😂😂😂

[@sixthseis]

Definitely don’t trust those Chinese EV’s lmao

[@FlipzPlayz]

you defo havn't been in one then and/or are a weird individual, I still prefer a v8 tho

[@SirEvilestDeath]

“China is changing the world?!” Oh shit, it’s 2020 all over again!!!

[@zacksmith5644]

Ok so ?