The New Magicycle Jaguarundi - Has Anything Changed?

[@wawalker1]

Thanks Russ

[@anthonystephenson1992]

I really enjoy your videos every morning. I also like the long rides. I'm from Savannah Georgia and I wish we had roads like your's. What's the fastest bike you have?

[@RussIsRight]

In terms of speed, the Magicycle Deer Step Thru 20 has reached 30.5 miles per hour so far with just the throttle. This makes it the faster bike I currently have.

[@johnstutt5927]

I am thinking of buying the newer version that you are showing in this video. I have to wonder how the power compares.

[@RussIsRight]

The older 52 volt version is a bit more powerful in my opinion. Going up hills is better with the old version. But on flat ground, the two are pretty much the same.

[@BrainMeltDown]

Good to know the bike shop receipt on mines says 52 volt 600 watt but my battery says 48 volt and manual says 48 volt and 750 watt motor with peak 1100watts. Thought I got ripped off with older model good to know

[@richardstandish2053]

I have the First Generation (let's call it) Jaguarundi acquired 3 weeks ago. I note that the 'newer' one you're trying (maybe call that the 2'nd Generation ?) has the Wider Cruiser pedals and also the larger Front Light and different Crankset and Chain ring design similar to the Ocelot/Cruiser/Deer ebike models. Just thought I'd point those out. Still a nice ebike and outstanding value for the price point in a very competitive 'folding bike' market.

[@RussIsRight]

👍

[@MumfordJim]

Seems like FedEx could give you a 2 hour window and be within that. I understand your frustration when you must sign for it.

[@RussIsRight]

All day long waiting. If I go out and they attempt to deliver, it would just mean tomorrow I would need to wait all over again!

[@papawdan3770]

Russ. Like yourself, I would choose performance (torque) over a price reduction. Assuming that the battery was downsized from 52 Amps to 48 Amps due to cost reduction factor, your opinion? Stay cool riding this week….Dan

[@RussIsRight]

I think it has to be a price thing. Why else would they do it? Anyway, it is so hot here! I bet your area is even hotter!

[@papawdan3770]

It was a little over 104 degrees yesterday. Didn’t quite hit the projected 105 degrees because of unexpected clouds. Projected to be 107, 108 & 107 degrees, Wednesday -Friday. Definitely HOT in North Louisiana! I’m staying in & I’m not waiting on a FedEx delivery. LOL…Dan

[@RussIsRight]

@@papawdan3770 😳

[@beau4526]

Hey Russ, Thank you for the review. Is the 52v version UL Certified? Also, what kind of range did you get out of the 52v? Thanks in advance

[@RussIsRight]

Not sure if it was UL Certified or not. Back then, UL wasn't really talked about as much as it is today, so I don't recall seeing anything about it. I was able to get 29 miles out of the 52 Volt, 15 ah battery. At the time, I was 268 lbs (less today luckily!)

[@beau4526]

@@RussIsRight Thanks for the reply and info. Would you have hesitation on buying a used 52v? However, the lady purchased it new in 10/2023 and has literally rode it 1 mile. She went with a trike instead. Do you think it not being UL certified is a concern? My first ebike and the UL is being pushed hard. She will let it go for much cheaper than the new 48v

[@RussIsRight]

@beau4526 Well, I still have two of them because they are very good.

[@EBikeBuilder_]

russ those chao yang tires are heavy too, compared to kendas usually, i think that could affect the hill especially if the bike is in a limited current mode. I wonder if there are physical differences between the motors? I bet magicycle just put a different motor controller on the 48v, and the motor is the same. Power = voltage * amps. if they were to lower voltage, they can make it up by increasing the amps of the controller. Usually amps are what dictate low end climbing torque with hub motors. also tire size , weight , rolling resistance , grade etc

[@johnstutt5927]

I wish they made the mirror with a longer arm so that it sticks out further.

[@paulketchum6819]

Hey Russ, still the best valued foldable bike 🚴 on the market at $1,299. Competing w/the Lectric 3.0 at $1,199. MC is a significantly better quality bike with bigger motor and 52T chainring. It can’t be beat. Mahalo🌴

[@BrainMeltDown]

@@paulketchum6819 but I paid $1,999 on sale in Hawaii and my receipt says it is the old version with 52 volt battery and 600watt motor but I have the new 2024 version with 48 volt battery and 750 watt motor. I have to do the $500 state e-bike rebate now

[@garyechols9458]

I bought my HiPeak Elias in April. Which one is the knock off?

[@RussIsRight]

They are different to each other. Just the look is similar.

[@Class8OT5]

Regarding the lessened hill climbing performance, you mentioned early in the review that the bike's max current limit was set to 12 amps, and that you were not going to change that setting before doing the hill climbing test. I agree with leaving the stock settings for the initial test, but now that you've found that the hill climbing ability is seriously diminished, you might want to raise the bike's current limit to a higher level and then repeat the hill climb test. It seems to me tha thatt hill climbing performance is a clear case of current limitation, and should improve if more current were available to the motor.

[@RussIsRight]

While you did not see on in the video edit, I did raise it to 20. It did not improve anything.

[@southernebiking]

I believe what magicycle did was probably good from a marketing standpoint. I think folks looking at this type of bike, have price pretty high on their important list. Just my thoughts on it. Overall, still pretty cool bike.

[@whatsinyourear]

Is the PAS speed based or current?

[@RussIsRight]

It is a cadence sensor so it will always run to the set level of each PAS setting as long as it senses that the pedals are moving.

[@whatsinyourear]

@@RussIsRight Wow! Thanks for the fast response. Some bikes, the pedal assist limits speed, others such as Rad, the pedal assist is tied to current (wattage)

[@BrainMeltDown]

How do you unlock it to 25 mph?

[@RussIsRight]

Hold the + and ~ button down for a few seconds and the menu will change. Go to Advanced. Set the speed function to the highest level. Then hold the i button to set it.

[@BrainMeltDown]

can you tell me if changing it from 22" wheel to 20" wheel in settings fixes the Speedometer to be correct ?

[@RussIsRight]

No

[@MumfordJim]

I do not understand why you can not use the 52 volt battery on the new bike. I have a Bafang mid drive and I can use either 48 or 52.

[@RussIsRight]

I don’t know either. I used a 52 Volt triangle battery on my 48 volt Rad Rover 5. Just passing on what I was told from the company.

[@EBikeBuilder_]

Its the controller that often has a voltage limitation. For example My Aventon SINCH is 48v and it will allow up to 57v , which is an almost-fully charged 52v battery. But if charged above 57v the controller cuts off power and throws an error. So I’m my case i could use a 52v battery but just not fully charged.

[@MumfordJim]

@@EBikeBuilder_ That is very helpful. Have not run into that myself. I have a 48V Bafang BBS02 and it can run with either 48 or 52. Was not aware of the higher limit as you mentioned. Thanks

[@richardstandish2053]

OKay...dissapointed on the Hill Climbing capabilty with the 48V power plant. What is the hill 'incline angle' and what is the 'length' of the incline ? . Duration of the climb would be helpful in your future 'trials' Russ. Tks.

[@RussIsRight]

Gotta measure it one of these days.

[@BrainMeltDown]

The MAgicycle Website says the Jaguarundi is 750W/1100W(peak) 86Nm Rear Hub Motor Hmmm.... 48v 15ah Are they lying?

[@RussIsRight]

Nope

[@justinwhite2951]

Would you make a video of how you secure your second battery(ies) to the rear rack? I'd be interested for any and all bikes.

[@joeroscillo4015]

Think all the bike sales shops set the wheel size to read faster than actual mph!

[@UC241]

Lots of delivery services provide a delivery window and fail to meet it, even when it is a LARGE time, window!

[@UncleJam5624]

Dude you are getting a free bike. I'm playing the worlds tiniest violin for you now.🤣🤣🤣

[@RussIsRight]

Can you make it a guitar instead? :)

[@RussIsRight]

Also "Free" isn't really a true word for this bike. I make review videos for companies in exchange for the bikes. My work isn't "free" because of that. However, you get "free" videos to watch.

[@Joerides7]

Did the old Jaguarundi have more torque, or do you think the claimed 65 nm is off?

[@RussIsRight]

I believe it had more torque, but since I did not save the old webpage, I don't remember what it was.

[@goldbearbunny4787]

On my 20 inch bike the dealer says to go with the overall size of the tire bike might be a 20 inch but my overall tire size top to bottom is 23 in so I set the computer to 23 😊

[@Grandpa.Dan8881]

For me, it would come down to speed/ghost peddling vs Jill climbing. I really hate ghost pedaling and that happens way more than occasionally dealing with the hills, so that with the price drop works better for me…

[@RussIsRight]

So far, I have not gotten it to ghost pedal.

[@cynthiaedwards726]

I'm curious - do you have an opinion what would be the best ebike model for short senior women? I have a rad runner 2 but it is so heavy and I have to lean it over to get off and on. I am strong and in good shape just not able to handle the bike as well as if I were a few inches taller. Thanks!

[@RussIsRight]

There are ebikes called "Commuter" style ebikes. These are typically lighter in weight (but not always). Folding bikes like this Jaguarundi are smaller in stature, but can still be rather heavy. It's a trade off too sometimes in that if you want good range (distance), the bikes need bigger batteries and that makes the bikes heavier too. If you only take your bike around town for shopping trips, then range might not be as important, so only you can tell what you might need. Stay with 20 inch wheel bikes if you are shorter. Step-thru designs are of course easier to mount too. Hope this helps.

[@cynthiaedwards726]

Thanks so much Russ!

[@BrainMeltDown]

This looks just like a cheaper clone of the RadExpand 5 Plus but 7 pounds lighter and 1 nm more torque (64nm) lol

[@RussIsRight]

No. I have ridden the Expand 5. The Jaguarundi will do 25 mph when unlocked. The Expand 5 will only do 20 mph.

[@johngifford8335]

Less amps equal less power.

[@RussIsRight]

Less voltage

[@johngifford8335]

@@RussIsRight Amps are your power.

[@RussIsRight]

@@johngifford8335 The amp hour rating on this 48 volt battery is the same as it is on the 52 volt battery. They are both at 15 ah. Power, measured in wattage is voltage x current. In this case, the lower voltage is the change in the equation. The reason we are losing the ability to climb on the hill with this is the motor. It only has a 65 nm torque rating. I believe the older 600 watt motor had a higher torque.

[@ArmandGirard]

In addition to not having the similar climbing ability, this version will most likely have less range since the battery has less power.

[@RussIsRight]

@ArmandGirard To be determined. I will have to test it out.

[@Ebiketips1]

Normally when you do a hill test you have momentum from riding to help you. This time you stopped and began from a dead stop. You would get a different results. Momentum makes a difference. Not apples to apples

[@RussIsRight]

I have done many of the tests from a dead stop. If not, it is a very slow roll. The camera always makes it look faster than it is.

[@technologyjunkie01]

First thing, the display is not the same and there are zero instructions on how to use it. Take a look at your settings by holding the +/- at the same time for 2 seconds. There you will see that NOTHING is the same. I just got my new Jaguarundi, and I must say that this is a total mees., The bike folding mechanism is totally different than the old model and it is crap. Also, the new display is impossible to decipher. Even Magicycle support has no clue what to do. They didn't even know that the display had changed. I had to send photos and a video of my display settings. I tried to make some changes and now my bike doesn't work at all. No PAS power, and all information displayed is incorrect. I also have a rear wheel wobble that is so bad that the bike shakes when riding. Magicycle say's the wobble and shaking is acceptable. What a joke. I wish I had bought the Sinch 2. Stay away from Magicycle, support is no help. I will be lucky to even get this thing running again. And if I do, my kidneys will get a shaking workout everytime. Magicycle is junk. Stay tuned for a video on this fiasco.

[@RussIsRight]

🙁

[@richardstandish2053]

Sounds like MC is seeking ways to reduce costs...and Quality Control is a place that can be attractive to 'reduce'. Boy! I'm glad I got the 52V version. It is sweet and Russ' tests were one of the reasons I chose that model as my first ebike.

[@RussIsRight]

@richardstandish2053 Could be. Who knows why companies do what they do. 😊