The New Q-Sert AR Handguard

[@mstngo]

Until more people make mounts and attachments this will always be a dumb rail. Still no scout light mount for the QSERT. How long has QSERT been out?

[@dancastle9791]

But why would anyone make a scout light Q-sert mount if there’s no handguard? Most people aren’t putting lights on bolt guns, so it doesn’t make sense to make a new mount. Now that there is an AR handguard, companies will be more likely to make things for them.

[@mstngo]

@@dancastle9791 people put them on there. Also Q said a mount was coming from years so they saw a need for it to say it. Still don’t have one.

[@Antykain]

Don't really see many weapon lights on bolt-action rifles.. 😏 But, since the new Q-Sert AR rail is coming, maybe the scout mount will happen. There are plenty of 3rd party manufactures that can make one, especially with the Q-Sert prints being available for everyone to make accessories/attachments. There are 3rd party mounts for ARCA, dovetail, Atlas, slings already out there currently and others coming. So yeah, now that it's coming to the AR platform I'm sure someone will make one.

[@davedave2941]

Great opportunity space for 3rd party vendor to make for any lights / vampire

[@thefrogstronaut]

This represents the core problem with Q products. They have made lots of really innovative improvements to the AR platform, but they’re not really reproducible at a large scale without lots of new tooling that companies aren’t going to invest in. The cost to entry with any Q product also means those features are even less likely to filter out to other manufacturers.

[@bigg8r]

Soooooo we're circling back to screw on mounts and accessories...... lol

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

It’s best. Mlok uses screws, just with an additional piece and blind attachment. 😂

[@eyeamstrongest]

boy howdy i sure do love proprietary and closed source accessories 😍

[@xxxlonewolf49]

Yep...I wish them luck...but pass, for now.

[@armorers_wrench]

Honestly it would be quite easy to craft your own attachments for this rail.

[@spaghettipubes8550]

They have the prints for the spec on their site. He even mentioned this in the video. So not closed source.

[@dominiquerichardson]

a handguard that goes over a trashpanada would be dope

[@zachgregory1289]

Here I am rocking quad rails, while people still figuring out how to bolt and screw pic rails on. Bcm QRF is 3 oz heavier then there m lok.

[@Fantasma781]

Hah yea on your 10 pound gun without tapers 😂 you got no idea what you’re missing buddy!

[@KeterMalkuth]

I think the biggest draw of Q-Sert is what they talked about doing with the large frame honey badger. Namely, having q-sert for the upper receiver and the top of the handguard, so you can bridge that gap via a continuous 1913 rail. That would by far grant the greatest rigidity and most secure mounting of any handguard on the market, while still remaining very light. If Q releases a standard AR upper compatible with that system, I think that would make Q-sert worth while.

[@Chuck1284-]

Probably be cheaper just to buy a whole rifle from them, I imagine the rail itself will be rather expensive and then all the doodads to attach a light, bipod, hand stop, sling, rail sections, et cetera.. This gig inherently relies on a LOT of proprietary parts. You'll have to buy the rail and then everything that attaches to it from them, seems like a hella pricey solution only for rich guys but that seems to be their market.

[@ljimenez30]

Except M-LOK was designed for use in both polymer and metal hand guards.

[@K-bob_45]

That and I don’t see how the geometry for MLOK wouldn’t make the rail super rigid. This type of system does make sense on the honey Badger SD or something though

[@edwinlongwell]

Yay! Another proprietary system!

[@stihoonigan5055]

When are these gonna be available is the question

[@houseofosborne1173]

I'm impressed, as usual

[@MsHodgey]

Pretty slick attachment method for the rail.

[@gamerm4876]

Man I love how kit badger gets the exclusive scoop on Q products to come ! Thx

[@chipsterb4946]

It’s an ad

[@viktorstst]

So, in short, we have a recoil surface and an embedded nut. Will this work on a material other than steel? I don't doubt Q's engineering but I'm wondering even with steel how many shots can be expected before the recoil surface is slightly dented and the screw jams or loosens the nut?

[@bolson7293]

If they were smart, they would have spaced the Qsert threaded inserts the same dims as mlok. IE all mlok attachments would work without the mlok dingus that clamps from the other side. Take the dingus’s off and just screw in the attachment.

[@xxxlonewolf49]

Yep

[@chipsterb4946]

Now that’s a great idea

[@Flash_Bangz_]

There is something similar to that in the market. It’s called pic-lok. From pws

[@RoccoSucato]

@Kitbadger - Can you ask Drew (one of the design engineers at Q) to make picatinny rails that cover 1.5 slots worth of Q-Sert? I'd like a pic at the very end of the bottom of the 8" Fix handguard. Also, a full pic-rail would be nice on the 8" fix handguard - which is technically something like half a Q-Sert + full Q-Sert + another half Q-Sert. I'm really looking forward to the Q-Sert VFG.

[@Michaeldpress14]

I love a Q sert rail on my mini fix

[@Fantasma781]

So when you say you’re going to be putting it on the honey badger….SOON does that mean like sometime in the next 3 years??? 8 months after video we have no clue when we will be getting this.

[@Dan-pq5yz]

Less parts, simpler, less weight. Hope this is the new standard. Before you know it they’ll be ppl on reddit posting, “help! cross threaded my handguard?!”

[@mattcomchoc2957]

2:30 they are attaching the handguard. i watched this a few times. am i missing something? they have the industry standard pinchy bolt, and they're talking about how they are driving the handguard into the receiver, but the lil thingy they drop in and tighten from the muzzle end that the pinchy bolt goes through... it really doesn't seem to be attached to the rifle that i can see, so i do not understand how it would pull the handguard rearward into the receiver???

[@donosolianos5323]

Looks like the pinch bolt is held in place front to back by the channel in the barrel nut. So the driving bolt or whatever is pulling on the barrel nut, pulling the rail into the receiver. Just a guess though

[@Jordan-ql6tm]

Cool idea, I hope they actually start making attachments for it cuz it looks a little sparse. But that attachment point to the upper seems pretty awesome, I'm searching for the lightest weight possible set up I can go want to build a lightweight 20 inch which I know is going to be tall order LOL but this seems quite promising however like the other commenters said above without attachment support in the aftermarket it's kind of a dead deal for now. But that's how all new things go look how long it took mlok to overtake keymod and people are still making my products this will work it'll just take time

[@mstngo]

Bro, Kevin been making noise about all the attachments that were coming. How long has qsert been around and we still don’t have much of anything. No one is changing from mlok to this. They’re sniffing glue.

[@Jordan-ql6tm]

@@mstngo brother I hear what you're saying and I don't disagree by any means lol. But people were saying the same thing about keymod and look now keymod is essentially just around for people who had it before and don't want to buy a new handguard it's essentially worthless now for the new market. I do agree with what you're saying but the idea of more options to me is always better you know I just want something as lightweight as possible and if it's a niche item oh well that's cool, plus I've had a few high-quality m-lock items brake on me and something that's still on steel does sound nice cuz it's always been the polymer component that is broken, I just want something lightweight and robust if I can get all metal and get rid of all this polymer crap I'm going to be a happy guy

[@mstngo]

@@Jordan-ql6tm once people realized keymod looked like shelving and dicks then no one wanted it anymore 🤣

[@ljimenez30]

There are metal M-LOK accessories and metal M-LOK hang guards. What’s keeping you from choosing those?

[@Keydownkang_1266]

Innovative‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@ninjadave1970]

I hate blind T nuts!

[@GldenRetriever]

If there is an arisaka/trex arms cantilever pro style light mount, then I'm game. until then, I'll stick with my mlok.

[@Fnawesome]

Will you make a SD Version?

[@houseofosborne1173]

Where's it at??

[@ZroCool_Garage]

Do you know if there will be a Qsert SD handguard????

[@sethharley5557]

I really hope there’s something for 13.7 and 14.5 barrels tbh it would be a shame in they don’t

[@kjb563]

Is it gonna be available for the HBSD?

[@adamdyment9732]

Like alg used to do on their handguards

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Those were heavy and based on the Remington Defense MSR rifle. The problem, besides the weight, was the steel threaded pieces installed from the outside. So, if not toleranced properly they would just pull out. So, we press it in from the rear.

[@melissasmess2773]

Another thing from Q that 99% of us don’t want to buy, bolting a pic rail into a lightweight handgun defeats the lightweight concept. I will stick with M-lok and accessories that mount to it without adapter rails thanks😂

[@KeterMalkuth]

As they said, they'll be making accessories that are direct-to-q-sert mounting. Obviously, the lack of market support is an issue, but it's intended to be an actual system rather than a 1913 adapter.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

😂

[@thatguy-fm7sz]

Looks at geissele SMR rails.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Look at the Remington MSR rifle

[@armorers_wrench]

So they're basically steel helicoil inserits with a recoil surface which is I assume the slot? Actually, pretty good idea. I wanted to shit on this but really, those helicoil inserts are strong.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Not helicoils. Those aren’t reliable. Custom steel threads machined with a should and installed from the rear, so they don’t pull thru.

[@tooslow4you641]

More like a time-sert.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@tooslow4you641 time serts install from the front side and fail due to tolerancing

[@at5mics]

.308 version?

[@motocracy4828]

"One of these experimenters was Eric Kincel, who was at VLTOR Weapon Systems at the time. Kincel and VLTOR engineer Jeff O’Brien began building a handguard and rail system that would eliminate the 3, 6 and 9 o’clock position limitations, be lighter in weight with increased ventilation, not use loose screws and nuts easily lost and was also self-contained. According to Wikipedia, around the same time, Noveske Rifleworks founder John Noveske (1976-2013) approached Kincel with his own design of a direct attachment system. The two collaborated and decided to go with Kincel’s KeyMod (Modular Key Slot) system which uses a sleek key slot system typical of a shelving unit. The KeyMod handguard eliminates the infamous “cheese grater” design of the Picatinny handguard. To mount a KeyMod accessory to a KeyMod handguard, you simply place the rail or accessory into the larger key slot, slide it to the smaller end and tighten it down with a screwdriver. In an interview with Ballistic Magazine in 2015, Kincel said, “One of the reasons that the American small arms industry has made so many advancements is standardized modularity, like the Picatinny rail. I wanted to make a standard that all the industry designers and engineers were free to use, build products for and move the industry forward, like the MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail, which everyone could utilize. Also, by having the industry working together, the new standard would offer a wider accessory range, which is so much better for the end user.”-Firefield.com (April 2018 blog post) Ah yes, the old saying, "Everything old is new again." No knock on Q, I like their stuff and this seems to be a viable option...as long as there is industry support or the end user is fine with being limited to whatever Q and/or a select few decide to make. I also seem to remember some other manufacturers, Wilson Combat and Geissele come to mind, who once used a similar mounting system for attachments. They seem to have fallen out of favor for some reason, history repeating itself?

[@justjeff1506]

Reminds me of the old A.R.M.S. Rail attachments

[@KeterMalkuth]

Two points; Firstly, keymod still works very similarly to mlok. Q-sert's design seems to primarily be intended to remove the intermediary step and instead require no mounting hardware beyond screws, which I think is reasonable, if questionably necessary. What I think Q is doing differently from the other direct screw handguards is that those other options didn't offer a suite of accessories to go with it, so far as I know. They were treated mostly as modular 1913 rails. That's what I think made them fail compared to mlok, or keymod which were designed from the get go to cut out the 1913.

[@USAisbestcountry1776]

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[@Bmxr1991]

Ghey Edit: nevermind, after finishing the video i decided i want it.

[@JimYeats]

Not seeing the appeal. Is Mlok perfect? No, but it's absolutely strong enough, it's uncomplicated, rails are plenty lightweight, rails are much easier to produce, and it works. This is going to significant increase the cost of rails, and what is it fixing? Maybe a Q-sert rail compared to a lightweight Mlok rail is 1/2 an ounce lighter? Takes 30 seconds to install a rail or device instead of 45 seconds? Is that worth whatever obscene price Q is going to charge?

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Ok is good enough for a lot of people. A lot of people can’t afford or understand the best.

[@JimYeats]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 Show us a destructive test between the two. Or have an independent third party do it. Both are going to destroy the rail before they break free.

[@sirbalanced5486]

Q: “Strong rail….” Sons of Liberty: enters the chat…

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

It’s the strongest attachment method

[@JSJTOUTDOORS]

Who doesn’t love steel on steel for some that will possibly be out in the elements with all the moisture?

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@desertrat5565😂 yeah, nah.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Like Navy Seals guns?

[@MH_6160]

This is clean…

[@tomquirin4231]

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[@TheDombrowSKISKI]

All the weight that were saving by going Q-sert.... arn't we just throwing that out the window when we add a metal attachment bracket

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

It’s lighter than m-lok

[@daniellewis9240]

Q shart

[@death-to-dogma6142]

Q-Sert seems to have good merits. I just dont think it can topple the market dominance of M-Lok

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

It won’t if we don’t educate. Cheap guys will always have mlok, it’s cheap to do.

[@charlie.mike.7659]

lol

[@cassidybronson6891]

No thanks

[@bmxdude1337]

Skinny handguards...lame. ill admit the retention setup is solid

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Why is skinny lame?

[@shawnpatten6515]

Definitely looks superior to Mlok.

[@Tribe2k]

mlok is dumb imo. just stick with pic rails.