The New Scout Could Be Cooler Than We Were Expecting!

[@markcoopers1930]

Scout having rivian bits underneath sounds a lot more appealing than having id4 bits underneath

[@pavelkravchenko4367]

I’ve heard vw investing in Rivian, so we might see same platforms?

[@ab2abblank607]

Please forgive me but I don't speak EV. But does this mean the same as it's better to have a straight 6 underneath??

[@rossthompson4990]

100%

[@jonathonnordyke]

makes me more interested in the new scout

[@snowg4953]

Yeah no way. 5 billion from vw to keep them alive. No thanks

[@davidrudd9846]

I agree I'm not an EV guy but nothing wrong with options Buy want you want its your money

[@ivochicr1]

Only they doing everything to kill gas cars, so the "option" part will be limited

[@ingelri2]

You lost me at all electric.

[@tmill2001]

...and VW

[@naf2579]

​@@tmill2001 this it's the VW thing for me.

[@Kahless00]

So you've got oil burning lamps at your house or you're just being obtuse. And for the rest of you vw owns Audi Lambo Porsche and Bentley. They're all doing better than ever. You just wouldn't wanna drive one at all because vw owns them?

[@gilly3531]

Cry about it...

[@jeffreyfitch1006]

SAME Lost me at all electric Shut up about electric cars, we're not buying them

[@Black2005Lotus]

Give me a new Scout with a gasoline engine and a manual transmission please! Would be a nice alternative to the Broncos and Wranglers around every corner. Making it an EV is just a marketing gimmick and not practical unless you charge at the trailhead…

[@ab2abblank607]

Totally agree! But projectile vomit would be induced at the sight of a charge station at the trail-head of any public park.

[@billredding2000]

As soon as he said it would be an EV, I left the building. No sale (and zero interest) in the Scout here.

[@kdr-ql7pz]

I've been fortunate enough to have been on hot, cold, altitude, and moab jeep development trips and it was amazing to see what some excellent drivers can do (especially on the rocks; yea Liberty, you can do it too.) I could care less about the sound effects, but soc maintenance and getting rescued because you cooked too many hot dogs for the kids with the camp kitchen, would definitely be entertaining. So, it's that, or laying in some mixture of fluids on your back at u-pull trying to get whatever you are too cheap to buy (or smart enough to know it's perfect) under your pos replica (Damn; no m-plates anymore. ) Life is full of choices ; car payments-pos-kids.. In the end it's just another vehicle. Don't go Plumb Crazy over it.

[@theyhateme8763]

Hybreds are the future.. not EV or gas alone.. btw.. you gonna live in the trails ?

[@tylersrubar6451]

I agree more with Tommy. Talking about having “choice”. Scout could offer choice! Gas version, maybe a plugin hybrid and BEV

[@onenickthomas]

Complexity

[@davidroberts5600]

We already have a lot of gas choices. We need more EV, PHEV, and Hybrid choices. Personally for long range off roading I'd like to see more fuel efficient hybrids.

[@scottenser464]

Non plugin hybrid would be perfect

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Are you paying for that? Who’s paying for three platforms?

[@legostud]

Tooling cost for each version would be cost prohibitive.

[@texasbradley]

I was out when you said all electric 😂

[@72Cowboy72]

Exactly when I turned it off too.

[@Gemmellot]

I love it when you guys engage in constructive debates on opposing sides of any issue. Nowadays, it seems we've lost the flexibility of open-minded discussion and the ability to learn from each other, which were foundational to the US. It's important to remember that it's okay to disagree with your loved ones and neighbors on politics, policy, and general opinions without polarization leading to severed relationships, anger, and violence. Thank you for releasing this video.

[@graveyardprospecting]

Best comment 👍

[@aurorajones8481]

No no no... shut them down. I only want one side.

[@alko_xo]

You've just witnessed an open-minded discussion between two of the most powerful and oldest gentlemen in the world!

[@ramonmacias9013]

the moment you said ELECTRIC i lost interest completely. if it cant be fueled from a Jerry can it is useless to me

[@heathwasson7811]

Destined to failure. All the people who geeked out at the return of Scout and all of us that would have been lining up with cash (assuming the end result was good) did a giant eye roll and immediately wrote off the brand.

[@davespanksalot8413]

What a couple of Debbie Downers. Y’all should be encouraging the electric scene so that when the tech matures in ten to thirty years, your kids can benefit from some game changing tech that includes infrastructure, tech advances and thriving secondhand markets. Or maybe we should go back to horses... Environmentally friendly, cheap to refuel, and they make new models of themselves all on their own!

[@ramonmacias9013]

@@davespanksalot8413 I will teach my kids how to work and repair a internal combustion engine so they don't have to pay some mechanic thousands of dollars to fix a computer glitch that was poorly programmed and poorly assembled. I can and have fixed my cars and truck in my driveway using hand tools including fuel pumps, water pumps, radiators, and more. I even did a bottom half rebuild of a 351 windsor on the 1979 Tbird i owned at the time in the driveway on jack stands.

[@itsmountainwithanm]

As a long-time offroader, I've learned the less electronic crap on my 4×4 s the more reliable off road. Way to ruin the name scout though ..

[@kevingish]

I have five electric vehicle owners in my family, and the statement of lower maintenance cost way not accurate, every time a Tesla mechanic has to be called out, for what should be minor repairs or service in a gas vehicle, my family members have been charged over $4,000 a pop, the constant charging issues leading to bricking, stranded on the side of the road, the outlandish cost to upgrade their homes electric amperage, and in two cases the entire subdivision was substandard to support EV charging, over a dozen public charging stations we've looked at had diesel generators for the chargers, to my Nephew being charged $25 and hour to charge his S at a Tennessee station for two hours, the cars still have to be serviced and there is still oil, coolant, etc. that has to be done, and finally the battery doesn't last as expected in the extreme climates and two of my family members have already faced the $8,000 and $14,000 battery swaps for their respected vehicles, All of them have had to keep gas vehicles for reliability, two of them can't charge them in the below zero winters of their northern states, two of the others can't get half of the battery life here in the desert at 100 + degrees, and one of them has constant salt air damage to the electrical connections in Florida, My son works at the Largest vehicle parts distributor for the southwestern region and is seeing replacement batteries Quadruple due to early failure rates. So, your son is correct that gas and hybrids are the better option and is actually what people want. Every single one of my family members who own electric vehicles are getting rid of them as soon as they can, with only one planning to return to even hybrid, I work for a parts distributor, I am personally seeing customers come in hoping we can help them source batteries, (we can't) because of the waiting list and the cost.

[@MrSnejkaj]

I've driven EV:s for 6 years. Never have I encountered a bricked car. Especially not a Tesla. What repairs did they do that cost 4 grand? I hade a 1st gen Model S a few years ago. Not even that car hade costly repairs.

[@gferguson88]

if they in CA wait till they get that $0.41 a mile driven charge to make up for lost gas tax revenue (other states sure to follow) or don’t plug in due to rolling blackouts. LOL.

[@scorpy2643]

@@MrSnejkaj he straight up lied. None of that happened.

[@kevingish]

@@scorpy2643 Don't respond unless you know your subject... The local Dodge /Jeep dealership is now sitting on their 27th Hybrid Jeep Wrangler battery replacement scheduled for 3mths from now and is battling a battery supply issue. They are also waiting for their second Hybrid battery for the brand new Grand Cherokee with Zero available in the US. I have had two customers come in looking for help trying to find Tesla replacement batteries, I sent them to the manufacture, there are Zero secondary or aftermarket support. Two of my Relatives have sent their electric vehicles down the road as of last week, and my neighbor has had his zero charge brick for the seventh time in three years. So, electric fanboy, I do indeed know my topic, and I have many relatives, friends, neighbors and customers who run electric vehicles, and the experience is all over the map, from a few with only minor problems to full out lemons. Unfortunately, in my profession and my friends and relatives, I have personally witnessed and interacted with the extreme negative side of electric vehicles.

[@kevingish]

@@scorpy2643 Don't make comments calling people liars when you don't have a clue about them... Every single one of my statements is fact, three of my family members has gotten rid of their electric vehicles, due to constant problems. Only two Teslas left, and one of those is on it's way out the door, due to it being stuck in Florida, undrivable, because of no power, they had plenty of gas for their other car. And SF Ins. just made a corporate announcement that All electric charging stations on company property, are to be removed immediately due to fire risk, and not just parking garages, but, parking lots as well, And Rivian just lost 50+ suvs in a staging lot to run away battery spontaneously combustion. And my neighbor just had his Tesla hauled off bricked again.

[@jimhanle2971]

Roman is the get off my lawn defender of electric vehicles

[@TimeMariner]

He gets a lot of $ from them.

[@jlaw1901]

@@TimeMarinerhow so? He seems to have a stance counter his audience. He is making valid points about the positives of electric cars.

[@jbm0866]

​@@jlaw1901He has to have a stance counter to his audience. He knows Colorado is California lite at the moment but will probably join the state they want to be in banning new ICE sales in the next few years. He has a business empire built on reviewing new cars, and when those new cars are only EV he hopes enough people will have converted by that time. Same with the legacy car mags such as Car and Driver, Motor Trend etc.

[@jlaw1901]

@@jimhanle2971 nobody wants to be Blockbuster. He had to adapt to the times or go extinct. EVs do actually have positives though and he sees them.

[@harrison7070]

@@jbm0866you do realize we are at minimum 20 years out from being able to support that many electric cars and people still think it’s not even gonna work out

[@dgw4049]

Volkswagen thirsty for some of that sweet Wrangler / Bronco money

[@mrgurulittle7000]

I think they’d make more money competing with the Jeep Wagoneer with the Travelall. I hope they bring that back too.

[@Christoph-sd3zi]

Broncos and Wranglers are filling up dealer lots now.

[@michaellyden9839]

The guy on the left is a liberal

[@v.maharaj3365]

… so, offer gas engines. Or, hybrids.

[@explore_off_road]

I agree with Tommy, "Scout should have launched with a Gas engine." We're not ready for all electric yet. It goes back to the days when six and four cylinder engines came out, and the backlash those got. And now they are everywhere and kicking ass. How are electric or hybrid sales, actually... In off roaders? That said, the Scout (concepts) looks pretty cool and it will get alot of "it looks like a Bronco!" They did back then to. ... Everything is a "Jeep Killer", the Bronco was to when it started coming out... Once that statement is made, it won't be a Jeep Killer. And all that is said about Jeep(s), this statement, used so often still, goes to show that Jeep is still on top and still the benchmark. Even for the G Wagon that you guys ALWAYS seem to mention in this segment .... That shouldn't ever be. G Wagons sit outside fancy restaurants with 24" wheels and the average person wouldn't buy one. They are just a status symbol. And! I could buy a couple Jeeps or Broncos for the price of a G Wagon.

[@Sylvan_dB]

So maybe big diesel powered charging stations at the trailhead? How can I haul an extra 20 to 200 miles of range on a rack, to make sure I can get out of the back country, once I get in?

[@Tallnerdyguy]

There are solar trailhead chargers

[@nativeson608]

😂😂😂

[@nativeson608]

@@Tallnerdyguy yeah, because that’s what we want at the trailhead; a congested oversized phone charger! That would just add to the beauty of the trail! 🤣

[@fastdude2002]

There will never be car charging stations in the backcountry where I take my Jeep. Electric for a scout is ridiculous…

[@69mrwolf69]

Longest range takes me 2.5 days to get to Moab and 2.5 back so that leaves 1 day to offload with electric. Range is the killer.

[@jlaw1901]

And recharge time

[@billynonofyourbusiness3434]

I do appreciate that you had different opinions on EVs. My opinion is that if EVs were cheaper, they'd be great for local commutes, grocery getting, etc. So an ideal situation would be to have a cheap EV for local driving and a Gas or Hybrid for road trips or heavy hauling.

[@jimsomerville3924]

That's what we do and it's great.

[@davidroberts5600]

That's what I do. They will be cheap soon enough. Lots of R&D recovery happening right now but they're cheaper to make long term. My partner's EV cost $23k after the credit. Her payment is the same as gas in her Jeep.

[@billynonofyourbusiness3434]

@@davidroberts5600 $23k is much more reasonable compared to $60k. I have not looked deeply into the whole 'credit' mess. For me, the biggest issue is the money down and monthly payment.

[@bradlaflamme6127]

I run a gasser for long trips and my ebike back and forth to work and around town trips.

[@billynonofyourbusiness3434]

@@bradlaflamme6127 I am actually thinking of getting an ebike! I live in the countryside now. But will be moving soon. If I move to an area that is practical, i will be getting an ebike. What kind did you get?

[@marksr1907]

All electric... Dead on Arrival.

[@First-Last-108]

You ever driven a Tesla?

[@fredmertz3837]

Its an EV so it wont work me. Looks great but I need a SUV with a 400mile range with AC or heat running and the ability to refuel in less than 15 minutes. Need to haul herding dogs.

[@jonathanbryant7166]

I’ll like the idea of trucking through the woods quietly with my doors off. Sounds intriguing.

[@NOXStellans]

Does anyone have experience with the range of electric off-road vehicles while off-road? I suspect it would be better than on-road because of slower speeds???

[@Evan_Land]

Depends on the type of trail. TFL did Red Cone in a Jeep 4xe on electric only and I think it’s electric range was cut to 1/3, of what it got on the highway.

[@andrewbarefoot5901]

give me gas.

[@jimsomerville3924]

Trouble is under 20 mph would have the annoying artificial whine meant for pedestrians.

[@surturiel]

@@NOXStellans The guys at Electric Classic Cars have reportedly had a good experience with overlanding their converted Defenders. It's worth checking it out.

[@co92715]

Should have a version for ICE.

[@Wrangzilla]

Someone will put a 392 underneath the hood

[@co92715]

@@Wrangzillaor an LS maybe?

[@weekendwarrior8179]

It's good to see competition because they need to make these a lot more affordable😊

[@dierkrieger]

There is a place I worked out in Lake Side California where there are four Scouts just sitting. They are all in awesome condition.

[@andyman7931]

If Scout wants to embrace the EV offroader and not limit their market, having an optional range extender similar to the BMW I3 would be the best of both worlds scenario. If they went this route and made the range extender modular so you could leave it at home when getting groceries, that would be even better. I'm excited to see what they bring to the market as it'll influence all manufacturer offerings.

[@dgw4049]

6:40… this is the perspective we should all have on EVs. Thx Roman. Choice is always better.

[@jackiejorpjomp]

Was excited for the first few seconds then they said electric

[@bosse641]

EV is not something I'm interested in, not at all.

[@scoobtay]

I was an EV hater for a long time until my buddy got an F-150 lightning. They can be really great little rigs in the right circumstances. That said, hybrids are going to be the hopeful future.

[@10cpaul]

Roman!!! you need to visit your local Tesla service center, there's a bunch of broken Tesla sitting in the rear of the center! Ford EV issues, how many GM EV have been halted for issues... nah.. Hybrid I'm all in!

[@brohammer]

Unlike all these haters , I’m super excited about off roader EVs!!

[@J26-e6g]

Great perspective Roman. This is why I enjoy watching your videos and keep my subscription. It’s refreshing to listen to intelligent people and Tommy is following in your footsteps. You’ll be on the right side of history for sure.

[@twoempty]

If you want gas power you get a Bronco, if you want electric you get a Scout, simple as that, it’s a Choice!

[@christophernuckolls9964]

If you want gas power and don't want to break when you go off road, you get a Wrangler.

[@nmathree89]

Very smart of VW to partner with Rivian expertise. I'm not a fan of the Scout being electric, but since it's going to be, might as well be based on the best electric in the business.

[@jlaw1901]

100%. Just bought a couple Rivian stock lol crossing my fingers for the take-off

[@erich.4305]

hybird scout would be nice.

[@boganpainter1638]

I drive by the Scout factory regularly and they already have several buildings built on the campus.

[@charlessantangelo4430]

Tax incentives aren’t “jamming electric down your throat”. For me, personally, while these products are still being developed and the economies of scale are still in the process of balancing out, the tax incentive is what made it reasonable to choose between the two. I purchased an F150 Lightning and the tax break put the price between gas and electric neck and neck. I already wanted an EV. The government allocating funds during the transition made it possible. No one is forced to buy an EV, spend your money how you want to.

[@davidroberts5600]

I appreciate Roman's perspective on EVs. He's spot on. My partner and I have two EVs for daily driving, charge from our garage of solar, and own a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee for off roading. We're mostly off-roading close to home so we could maybe do an EV. I think most of us agree there aren't enough off road EV options and the range and/or infrastructure aren't there yet. Heck, even if you get there you have to deal with vampire drain when camping. I think it's partly like HD TV adoption. Not many folks were going to buy an HD TV without content and not much content without demand. The government had to motivate industry and it's working. I don't think addressing local pollution and climate change should be political but I recognize it has become so and understand not wanting to go there.

[@elizabethhopkins3826]

The Ford Bronco and Scout would be competiting against each other. They look alike.

[@Cf5jl]

If they do it right and it looks like the old Scout, roof comes off, etc, and it comes in a hybrid, I’ll buy it!

[@kohort1]

What are the limitations of hybrids on off roading

[@gsitzkowitz]

Until you can fuel an electric in a comparative fashion as a gasoline/diesel it will ever be more than a urban commuter vehicle.

[@texaszag8748]

This is not true. I have an ID4 and have taken it on 2,000+ mile road trips. For me, 3 hours of driving before recharging is the magic number. With my MB GLC300, 400 miles of range was dangerous and almost killed me with fatigue. Depending on the range of the new Scout, it may wind up being comparable to the range of an ICE 4WDs in that category.

[@dont8977]

Same - drove my Rivian from Tennessee to Oregon and back last summer, had a blast. Best road tripping vehicle I’ve ever owned. 600+ mile day ended refreshed with driver+. I promise I’m not a shill or an axe grinder. It’s simply the truth.

[@texaszag8748]

@@dont8977 Having driven my ID4 back and forth from Fort Worth to the Knoxville area several times (750+ miles each direction), I always made the trip in one day and never felt beaten down like I did when I was driving the Mercedes back and forth. Best decision I ever made, as far as I am concerned.

[@dvader3263]

Gas stations run on electricity and it takes electricity to pump and pay for gas. Everything on a gasoline vehicle runs on electricity. Without it, they're a brick. It's like people arguing about all of the virtues of a rotary dial desk phone because they're afraid of smart phone technology.

[@croaker4747]

I’m sorry, but “All electric Off-Road” sounds like a recipe for disaster. For around town, fine. Out in the mountains? No freaking way.

[@v.maharaj3365]

Where do you plug in in the forest?

[@shekharmoona544]

Is there some tension between these two that is leaking into the video or am I just imagining things?

[@lucwilson1]

Always been like that. Father and son.

[@psedd14]

I was thinking the same thing. Roman and Tommy, go have lunch together and don't talk about work!!

[@TheJHP3]

Roman is a big electric guy and Tommy isn’t it. They have several videos like this where they disagree on it

[@GeneMyersPoet]

Definitely felt tension in that one. But Dad seems pretty secure about it and not letting it bother him.

[@NoWay1969]

I had an uncle who swept the floor at the IH plant, and he used his employee discount to buy a manual transmission pickup in the early 1970s and drove it easily for over 20 years. There's nothing but love out there for that brand, and it sounds like Scout Motors is doing the reboot right.

[@680ecks]

Yep tuned out after all electric

[@user-cg7cc7zj3e]

Without at least a hybrid option it isnt even an option.

[@Name-kd5jj]

An offroader that burns half its battery just getting to the trail? Great idea. Drive to the trail, turn around and go home.

[@thomasbenefield3527]

I’m excited! I would be interested in the Scout!

[@TreatsOnTheStreets]

Insurance companies are finding out they don't want to insure electric vehicles. The expensive sticker price isn't the only thing expensive about owning EVs anymore. Insurance premiums are exploding.

[@jimsomerville3924]

My EV and ICE rates have risen pretty similarly with the same company. Both have increased significantly in last 2.5 years.

[@texaszag8748]

I have not had this experience. My premiums actually dropped when I traded in my MB for my ID4, and the VW cost more initially and was 4 years newer. But I don’t doubt that some insurance companies gouged EV buyers, if for no other reason than they could.

[@TreatsOnTheStreets]

@@texaszag8748 this is mostly for higher value EVs like Rivians, certain Teslas and the like which cost a ton to fix and are easily "totaled".

[@jimsomerville3924]

@@TreatsOnTheStreets Startups without a healthy supply chain of parts are going to be a challenge regardless of propulsion method. But, it's not like an 80k Mercedes wouldn't cost an arm and leg to insurance and fix as well.

[@TreatsOnTheStreets]

@@jimsomerville3924 the issue is a key of these EVs are manufactured in a way that if you get a rear quarter dent, it may cost 10x of what a normal vehicle would. Also, when the battery may be *potentially* damaged, it has to be totaled or the manufacturer will void warranty and liability anyways. A gas vehicle isn't totaled if the underbody is scratched but an EV is. Look at the 60k replacement cost from Kia that resulted from a slight scratch in the battery armor. Plenty of cases just like that from my insurance adjuster friends.

[@anthonymrskipt9252]

I just drove my Tesla from UT to MI and it was much better driving that distance than the same trip just two years ago. If all stops had been 250s, none of the charging stops would have seemed longer than needed for bathroom and snack breaks. That’s not even the state of the art for charging. I actually think we’re getting pretty close to (expensive) EVs being capable of road trips without much sacrifice and some benefits. We’ll see when we get to off-roading, but road-tripping has gotten much, much better, at least in a Tesla.

[@nativeson608]

What’s your actual range and recharge time?

[@anthonymrskipt9252]

@@nativeson608 - I have a Tesla Model S LR. I would say that a realistic range on a road trip might be as long as 300 miles between stops, but there are clearly a lot of variables and most legs were closer to 250 miles. The availability of chargers, particularly in areas where chargers are few and far between, often impacted the stops as much as the car’s ability to go a particular distance. Using 250 chargers, I don’t think we stopped longer than 15min before we had enough range to continue. There were times when chargers were throttled (not the 250s, but sometimes it happened at 150s) and charging times increased substantially. I probably sat at the chargers in Rapid City, SD for 45min when we arrived there and still didn’t get a full charge. On the other hand, when my wife stopped at the same chargers on the return trip, she was able to spend less than 20min and got to 87%. We don’t keep accurate measure of times or efficiency on legs, so this info is just anecdotal. My point was more that the last time we drove our earlier Tesla (Model Y P) on the same roads, the range was clearly much less - an issue in WY when the wind was up) and charging times were longer - often more like my experience in Rapid City than what our typical experience was on this year’s trip. To be clear, I think the improved experience had to do with both the better car and the better chargers. If all stops were 250s - not even the current state of the art - I don’t think the stops would have been an issue at all. Made my optimistic for the future of BEVs.

[@tonyoliver2330]

“No maintenance” is a lie, there is maintenance still but it may be significantly less during the ownership. Things always break it’s just a matter of when

[@Black2005Lotus]

Plus EVs are prone to computer glitches as TFL has witnessed..

[@user-cg7cc7zj3e]

They break as much as any badly built ICE, my neighbor's had two Tesla's and they were always broken, complaining about freezing in the harsh winters and stuck at the charging station forever. They have replaced them with real cars again now.

[@johnandjanetclark9158]

Several years ago we watched Roman and another TFL guy (have forgotten who, sorry) do a comparison of which low cost EVs were good buys. We ended up buying a Fiat 500e off of this video and have loved every moment! We live in Trinidad, Colorado and it is the best daily driver, plus super fun to drive short distances up into the mountains. Every time we watch one of your videos we say, we need to thank those guys - so, thanks for “steering” us in the right direction!

[@BigWheelFab]

I believe that the offroad EV could be manageable. The major problem with the EV is they are not aftermarket friendly. How do you install 40" tires and regear a Rivian or cyber truck. Way too many issues with the electronics when installing lifts trimming the wheel wells to fit larger tires. Give the consumer a basic EV with the ability to highly mod the suspension then I think in my opinion it would have a better chance. I would love an R1T with 74weld portals, 37" tires and 600mi of range.

[@dvader3263]

No need to re-gear an EV as the torque is 100% from 0 RPM all the way up to maximum RPM and top speed. EV car suspensions are the same as ICE car suspensions. Suspension lift kits are available for the Tesla Model Y. They'll be available for the CyberTruck soon enough. Only rock crawlers and hard core off-roaders install 40" tires. Hundreds of people do it? A few thousand people? Hundreds of millions don't even go off road.

[@BigWheelFab]

@@dvader3263 I know very little about EV other than they are fast, heavy and the range sucks when you hook up a trailer. So what you’re saying is that if I buy a Rivian cut the finders and install some 37” tires the computers not going to freak out. Plus no need to re-gear due to the motor is the differential.

[@gferguson88]

@@dvader3263 LOL. you’re forgetting about all the Mall Queens with 37-40” tires. But the cyber truck already doesn’t have that great of range (compare to original prerelease spec, the range extending battery takes up 1/3 the bed at $16k) and putting a lift kit and bigger tires will affect that just like it does on ICE trucks. EVs are okay but should have pushed for hybrid then plug in hybrids, then to EV to help not only people adapt but garages, mechanics, industries, aftermarket, and most of all POWER GRIDS. If they figure out wireless charging on the roads maybe i would get one, but for now I’ll stick with hybrid truck and plug in hybrid car. And my good ole FJ gas 4x4 lol only 33” tires 😢 but does good on minor trails but the SxS does better!

[@surturiel]

EVs and off roading (specially rock crawling) are a match made in heaven.

[@420aliendon]

Tfl loves anything they can talk about

[@jlaw1901]

They are car journalists lol that is like saying Wall Street loves stocks.

[@poppa_da_corn]

TF do you think auto journalists do?

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

What happened to your MB GL with the off-road package? It just kinda disappeared...

[@APWare]

The only competition to a Wrangler would be solid axles, which I would have hoped to see with gas or hybrid.. This is akin to an EV Bronco.

[@fredeschen3783]

An EV 4x4 should have 4 motors. One on each wheel with an output shaft and direct drive-no axles necessary. One of the few advantages of the electric car.

[@RKmndo]

The IFS convertible-offroader Bronco competes with the convertible-offroader Wrangler. My only gripe with the concept of the new Bronco is that it has coilovers instead of separated coils and shocks. I know that performance is often better with coilovers, but supplemental airbags can't be put inside the coilovers for hauling/towing at max capacity with 0 sag/squat.

[@georgetaylor4202]

Your comments regarding EV’s was informative…pros and cons. Keep it coming because I need to be educated. I have an open mind but need more info before I let go of internal combustion.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Scout needs a gas variant to survive long term and be able to fund development for the EV variant. Otherwise VW would have to keep pouring money into the company. I also want the IH Travelall and Pickup truck eventually too. Heck, bring back the International Harvester name on all vehicles.

[@vcc1534]

As someone who grew up driving a Scout II to high school and wheeling on the evenings and weekends I want to buy this new rig sight unseen. Call me crazy but I am intrigued as hell for this to be my first all electric vehicle...I bought the Ford Maverick sight unseen in 2022 and was not disappointed with that purchase...

[@hi9580]

Electric bronco.

[@pkarowic]

This Scout reminds me of the scout international from the 80's. My friend had one and he took this one to some crazy places. I like the looks of this new one.

[@dalejones4322]

My first thought was that everyone still has a choice. No one is making anyone buy anything. But, you are exactly right. The threat of what's to come is what bothers people. Great insight. You've changed my understanding

[@dvader3263]

Yes, new superior technology is scary and frightens many people.

[@kevincraftsbcs4488]

It seems like a well played business move for VW. The infusion of cash for both Scout and Rivian should benefit them as well. I hope it works out to yield more vehicles for the automotive enthusiast.

[@ghostring3624]

All I wanted was the Jimny.

[@bwracing9]

I just had an oil drain plug stripped on my BMW's first oil change. Send me the electric Scout. 🤣

[@lannylancaster62]

First, I'm indifferent as to power source. It should be affordable, sustainable, widely available and provide a quick refuel. We are on a four lane highway with ICE, Hybrid, PHV and BEV. All have their advantages and disadvantages. Today the sweet spot is Hybrid/PHV. We must continue to progress our energy future and we can't do that by sitting still. With that, a PHV Scout would have been ideal.

[@robertpettus6037]

I totally agree with Tommy. Gasoline engine either first or along with electric. Something simple like a straight 4, 5, or 6.

[@akrs6398]

electric cars have no maintenance? they are heavy and go through tires like crazy. The amount of money you spend on a set of tires surpasses any gas car's oil changes .

[@jimsomerville3924]

How do you know that? The OEM tires on my ID.4 lasted 36k, which if I recall correctly is a bit longer than the OEMs on my Sienna.

[@JasonPortenlanger-l1e]

The Scout name being used by VW hurts my soul!

[@davidthompson1573]

Who actually makes these horrible decisions, Disney? Seriously, talk about NOT knowing your customers and losing them with literally ONE dumb decision.

[@rsemidwest]

Scout looks cool - I agree traditional gas engine or hybrid would be more in my comfort zone- if the electric range is above 400 miles I’d be more comfortable with the concept and would consider it viable for my lifestyle as an Offroad enthusiast

[@trzarector]

ICE tech has been developing for what the last 100 years so of course the infrastructure is there to support it but to disparage EV tech which is in its infancy is extremely naive. For the majority of drivers EV’s are more than enough, all these extreme ICE use cases will be addressed by EV tech in the coming years with battery density, solar charging, power storage, charging speed and chemistry always rapidly improving. And to those who say EV’s pollute as much as ICE let’s sit in a garage in our respective cars with the powertrains running overnight and see who makes it out. People get too comfortable because your exhaust is behind you so out of sight out of mind. Put it upfront and see how long you’d drive ICE. I love all cars but realise change is needed and is already here. It’s like when people laughed at the internet and buttonless mobile phones.

[@aceroadholder2185]

In your heart of hearts, you know the Scout would be improved with a flat head six.

[@michaelswick4251]

Tend not to break? Ask Rivian and Tesla owners. I live where it gets extremely cold. Saw plenty of vehicles stuck on the highway when snow closed it. Nope

[@fpartidafpartida]

What are you talking about? Rivian R1S owner here. I live in MN. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I feel way more comfortable Taking my Rivian out in the snowing cold than I ever f ever felt in my Taho, Cheney Blazer or my buddy’s Jeep Wrangler.

[@michaelpartridge3723]

Tommy’s wrong on this electric is the future and it would be Insane for scout to spend billions on engineering a new motor when they wouldn’t be able to recoup those costs (billions) due to the switch to electric. They would need a decade or more to recoup that investment. How long before they’re actually selling these scouts. They’re planning for the future not the past.

[@vex-nh]

Jeep is a bigger "Jeep killer" than any of its competitors. Their sticker prices are obscene and they made a major error in assuming there would be high demand for their 4xe models. They're having their own "Ford Lightening" moment, but in a worse way.

[@ramshung]

I have 2 Scout 800s one with a Cummins and the other with an original 304, I really wish they would offer a diesel in the new Scout

[@brandiwynter]

No frickin way! I don't want anything to do with electric vehicles!

[@poppyneese1811]

Scout-VERY INTERESTED! Volkswagen- LOSING INTEREST. EV Rivian- INTEREST TOTALLY GONE😏

[@rudydedogg6505]

Well, count me out. You guys need to pay attention to the market and the product reliability problems associated with EVs in general. Amidst the continuing drop in EV sales are another round of large scale fires related to EV batteries. Manufacturers are cutting back and in some cases dropping EV production entirely. I will bet the farm that not one Scout will be produced in Blythewood, SC, not one!

[@ejohnson3131]

5:54 whatever that is, it would sell! A fun 4WD commuter that you can take to the mountains or the beach on the weekends? Just keep it affordable and reliable!

[@k7gixxer1000]

Roman arguing for EV's like his 401k depends on it.

[@jimsomerville3924]

He's exactly right. There's a ton of straw man arguments out there from people who've never owned EVs and aren't experts in the auto, power, or insurance industries.

[@shekharmoona544]

I wonder what Canoo's software is like.

[@jonzaremba]

Wish someone would make a very small 2 door electric roadster these days.

[@jimmyh6601]

MG Cyberster is pretty nice!

[@damilolaakanni]

​@jimmyh6601 there's a 100% tarrif on cars made in China. I can't remember if it's both ICE and EVs, or just EVs though. That will make the MG pretty expensive if they try to sell it in the US.

[@jonzaremba]

Mazda is the most likely candidate to produce what I want.

[@thisismagacountry1318]

The battery weight alone would kill any driving dynamics of a "sports" car. You DID pass physics class, riiiggghhhttt?

[@jonzaremba]

@thisismagacountry1318 untrue. Tesla began all this by making sports cars. There are several in China. Even the Honda E performs somewhat sportily. A sports car doesn't need long range. Smaller and lighter batteries are utilized. The inverse, however, is true for offroad vehicles. They need 200-300 miles range at a minimum and weight is a major factor in real off roading. The offroad EVs are all twice as heavy (at least) compared to their gas equivalents.

[@DrKellieOwczarczak]

I am more with Roman on this. I love my EV, and I will not buy anything else, even to the point of planning a conversion on an older truck for farm use. I personally am excited about the ScoutEV. I love the quietness of my car when I am driving through CVNP, and I think it would be wonderful to have an electric off-roader for photography excursions. The silence is bliss.

[@ridgecamper18]

Need gas. Can't overland with an electric vehicle.

[@nicholasfigel4708]

You can.

[@WramblinWreck2187]

People haven't soured on electric vehicles. They just can't afford ones that are cool. I don't know why this is so hard for car manufacturers to understand.

[@jongreen9250]

The scout should also come in a naturally aspirated gasoline and diesel version.

[@joecool9739]

Its an EV only brand

[@NOXStellans]

"Volkswagen first decided on the product. Their marketers then decided the best way to sell it to us reactionary nostalgic curmudgeons was to give it an Americana aesthetics." 🤔🐔or🥚?: It would be interesting to know how much value Volkswagen put on the intellectual property of "Scout" when their commercial vehicle division purchased Navistar (successor to International/ owner of the name) in January 2020. This would show when/whether/why Volkswagen became interested in using "Scout" branding.

[@damilolaakanni]

Gasoline, yes. Diesel? Considering the brand was revived by VW, and considering their (VW's) reputation with diesel engines has been destroyed because of Dieselgate, it's not a good idea, nobody would buy them.

[@justindeclemente1130]

EV’s make sense if you live in the city. Here in metro Vancouver, Washington/Portland, Oregon. You see electric bicycles, scooters, SUVs, and automobiles everywhere, and I don’t think it’s a bad idea if you’re not going very far outside of the city. However, for those of us that enjoy hiking, fishing and hunting, these are Endeavors that are usually done well outside of the cities reach, and often in places where there is no electricity, which would make an EV prohibitive.

[@gbenny420]

The reason people are so negative about EV's is because they threaten the gasoline engines. If they didn't set a timeline to get rid of gas cars it wouldn't be a problem as long as people have choice

[@LeandroFTW]

This is just another chapter in automotives. There's always push back at first.

[@mishaartman1203]

They literally have diesel generators outside of charging stations 😂😂😂. America does not want electric. Get over it

[@jtzanderz]

EVs don’t threaten gasoline engines lol. The reason people are so negative towards EVs is because EVs are just as bad for the planet, they are inconvenient for normal use, and they are far more expensive than their ICE counterparts.

[@DM-fv7hw]

Gas engines arent going away.

[@user-cg7cc7zj3e]

Evs suck. My neighbor's had two Tesla's and they ended up hating them, always in the shop and freezing in our harsh winters. Not to mention they are worse for the environment and are just being pushed because of political insider trading. Now what Toyota and others are moving towards with the clean hydrogen systems may actually replace gas cars.

[@donerickson7869]

Diesel electric hybrid would be a seller but all electric is a stupid idea

[@emreviewsmore3807]

It would be a nice vehicle if it had a gas motor option

[@ArkLeaf73]

Agree 100%...more vehicle variants = more choice for consumers = better overall experience and hopefully lower prices.

[@TheSkinnyMechanic]

Electric vehicles are worse for the environment than ice vehicles Tesla burns the tires in one year! You’re just swapping oil changes for tire replacements.

[@ConversionCenters]

I drove my brother's 1971 Scout in 1974. If no one else is going to state the obvious? The basic outline of a Scout that VW has been touting looks enough like the Rivian R2 to not be an accident. In turn Rivian's styling is far more appealing than any of VW's. Finally, despite careful wording by Rivian's PR people? Rivian was going out of business. They have lost $15B+ in the last 3 years. Ask Musk, it is brutal starting a car company and Rivian is no different, when Ford walked away I assumed they were toast...but here they are, I hope they make it.

[@LeandroFTW]

Once they figure out the quick charging situation, more people would be about EVs.

[@Black2005Lotus]

Agreed, yet reality is even when a charger is installed, they very often don’t charge at all or they charge at a reduced rate. Unification of the charging system is a must.

[@ryankennard6626]

I own a 1975 Scout II. I am looking at the Rivian R1S to replace my daily driver Subaru. I have not ordered a new vehicle in anticipation of the information coming from Scout this summer. The new Scout EV would give me interesting option for local trails when I don’t want to take the classic. Can any of us say that our non-buggy 4x4 SUVs/Trucks are used more on trails than on pavement? How often are we going on off-road trips that exceed 250-300 miles. If either of those are you, then perhaps the new Scout isn’t for you. Honestly, my Scout II’s modified 392ci gets 7MPG, limiting my 33 gallon tank to 231 miles. A R1S Tri Motor with a 400+ mile range might actually be the better option for some trails.

[@Autobhnspd]

TFL when are you going to stop touting all electric. It’s not the future. Takes longer to charge than fueling a gas car, heavy, expensive, more complex easily totaled, cost more in charging, catches fire, emf radiation, not environmentally friendly and puts more of our dependence on China. As a car enthusiasts, I believe it’s great to have an electric option but it’s not better than what we have. You guys know it too.

[@pwrofgrayskull]

Refreshing to see differing perspectives and two different sides discussed, thank you. I dig the electric vehicle positives for sure, but I’m still highly skeptical for off road use. It would need huge range to work for me and my trips…and even then I’m guessing it would still be less convenient for me because of the time needed to recharge. Something more like the Ramcharger setup would make sense in my mind. Or just give me a V8. I’d be fine with that too. 😂

[@tomw3960]

Ask Hertz about maintenance cost😂

[@TFLcar]

😭😭😭😭 Because You don’t seem to know what Hertz does and how rental are are treated🤔

[@tomw3960]

So ICE rental cars treated differently??

[@jimsomerville3924]

I think it was repair costs, not maintenance.

[@894crumvoc]

My 2016 VW e-golf with 40,000 miles has been flawless. Never one problem.

[@894crumvoc]

Very good city car