The New Serve In Badminton That Is IMPOSSIBLE To Return!

[@fabricew3972]

Hats off to Greg for learning this serve with his right hand 😲

[@BadmintonInsight]

Haha 😂

[@TheDoctorHojo]

Made a similar comment on a different video but this serve is really interesting. I live in Japan and work in one of the best highschools for badminton in the country and I talked to the coach about it. Apparently over 3 years ago a high school team here used this serve in an all Japan highschool competition and it did not go down well. In Japan, this serve is very famous and since the competition 3 years ago, every highschool competition has an agreement between coaches stating the serve cannot be used. People in Japan use this serve as a joke sometimes, even in very casual play!

[@nilanjanpramanik3587]

The denish guy said in a interview that he saw the serve from japanese youth shuttler

[@Imperfectrun]

Someone loved beyblade as a kid and decided to innovate

[@Thomas-wm8fu]

I was playing badminton league for 17 years and After 5 years of not playing badminton I have finally got back in too it and my power is back but just need too focus on my footwork and improve my fitness. Keep doing the videos they are great I have watched loads.

[@shanerpaderp4272]

Very interesting to see how players are finding new ways to change the game even after all this time. Can’t wait to give it a try

[@BadmintonInsight]

Agreed, very innovative!

[@bobminor1141]

@@BadmintonInsight Innovative, but will kill the game. I play for the enjoyment of rallies, not just to stand and serve.

[@IM-kk3jq]

Prob all started from Kevin Sanjaya hahahaha

[@bradparmar4728]

​@@bobminor1141 Yes Play Tennis. Get TWO chances to kill the opponent. 😮

[@bobminor1141]

@@bradparmar4728 There's a reason I play badminton and not tennis.

[@geon8792]

This is similar to table tennis. You used to be able to hold the balls by your fingers, but they changed it to having it on an open palm because you could put spin on the ball with your fingers, making your serve much harder to return.

[@Mishtiman]

Yes, correct. They may change the law with this too, if they find it difficult to return.

[@Krystalmyth]

No more innovation allowed.

[@bert69420]

i think this there would definetly be a new rule where you have to hold the shuttle's feather before you server to avoid giving it too much spin

[@fabricew3972]

They say this at the end of the video!

[@D1alogue]

I don't think that they'll add a new rule regarding serves because serving has already had its own category in BWF'S rulebook. (Take women's singles for example, almost everyone do the high serve) What is most likely to happen though, is them adding two separate serving category (low and high serve aka forehand and backhand serve) and then build the rule from then onwards.

[@1Flyingfist]

I thought you already had to hold it there. If anyone starts doing this serve, I'm just going to concede the game, I've got no time for nonsense. I'd rather go and do something else. 😑

[@BadmintonInsight]

Yes that's what we think is mostly likely to happen!

[@ZacharyBorrelli]

Badminton is stale as all hell with little getting added to it shot and strategy wise. Killing this off when you can do underarm and pancake serves in tennis is just so boring it hurts

[@shamurocks99]

Not exactly sure who was the first to use this serve but the earliest instance I found of someone using it was in the Australian open 2022 by none other than Choi himself! Here’s a link to that match and he first uses it at 5:37:15 : kzbin.infoFcNqOsvlbng?feature=share Liu Yuchen gets super confused by it and even calls the tournament referee over but play continues. Seems to me Choi practiced the serve a lot and then pulled it out later when he got more comfortable using it. Cool how you guys were able to get the serve rather consistent in a short amount of time though! I’ve tried it for several hours and gotten mixed results 😂

[@master40382]

Interesting find! Was Choi the first person to use this serve in international competition then?

[@BadmintonInsight]

Wow this is very interesting 😱 We can't believe it was done so many months ago and it's taken this long for the serve to 'catch on'! Thanks for sharing Tim!

[@Gabor123]

@@liku08p great find. Aren’t top players in badminton scouring the internet to find these kind of edges? Very strange it only now surfaces.

[@vishwaskarmarkar9932]

Hopefully they won't apply spit on the shuttle, like they shine the cricket ball. Whatever next?🙄

[@Manuellagunilla02]

I learned to play badminton a week ago and I've learned a lot with you. I enjoy a lot your videos! Pretty fun🤣🤣

[@ackymedes]

I have been using this serve for past 2 weeks incl at a match. My observation is that you need to practice spinning and releasing the shuttle first such that it lands perfectly down (instead of flying off sideways where your racquet completely misses it). Once you get the release correct, rest is easy

[@selvammanickam8859]

Yes dude i am trying to get the release correct and my hands are starting to pain

[@gaganbisht53]

Watched Tobias Wadenka's video and wondered why Greg & Jenny aren't taking this topic up! Well here we go! Good luck.

[@BadmintonInsight]

Haha we had to spend some time learning it first!

[@AdrianFausset-g1k]

Another great video I am so old I remember playing the spin serve hitting feathers first, it made world class players look like beginners. Probably need a rule change sooner rather than later

[@Mux0006]

I would like to see it be in use for a while and then get a deepdive on what effects it has had on the matches....not saying it is the case this time, but often new things are banned before players can solve the issue...Will be an intersting topic to follow for sure. Thanks! PS! I was kindda hoping that lefties might do a right handed serve and then swap hands....theat would have made the serve even more crazy 🤣

[@parker3013-q5r]

Can’t wait to try on my friends at school! You guys are amazing!

[@paulroberts6571]

It was first used - and subsequently banned - in 1982. The Sidek brothers (All England doubles champions) used it that year. I came upon it when playing/ training with and against them in Kuala Lumpur at the end of 1981.

[@JustMeAP1]

No. The S-serve hits the feathers first. This is about generating the shuttle spin before hitting the cork. The BWF extended ban on this Spin Serve has not yet been made permanent, as I understand it.

[@jeffhardysoul]

This is gonna be like the Sidek Serve all over again 😂😂 Thanks for the tutorial though, who would've thought to make the shuttlecock spin at a different rotation before hitting it would make it a game changer

[@BadmintonInsight]

Haha potentially yes!

[@frankauerbach]

It has just been banned

[@simplevideos8605]

Banned already? where can I find the guidelines? I need to decide to practice this serve or not. Thanks in advance

[@marckronemeyer8001]

Where do i find the guidelines plz

[@lxp]

Search internet

[@pretzelnuts]

Bwf guidelines, simple

[@queenlip6152]

Expected. The under the table serve in ping pong was banned as well. Anything that comes off as an exploit is likely to be banned. Just like the offside trick in football.

[@gulshandeepsingh768]

Your vedios always help me to improve my game ❤ love from India 🇮🇳

[@venkatesht775]

Super bro.i am from india i will watch your video to learn more.. thanks bro

[@khairulpenyu1657]

I want to tell you guys who create this serve, but i know you guys will blame me. This serve call "S Serve" Created by Misbun Sidek. He won Thomas Cup for Malaysia. I forgot what the year is it. The S Serve is name by his dad "Sidek".but later, this serve is banned in any cup

[@Ztormrageheero]

As fun as the serve looks, I agree that it makes the game worse to play for receivers and worse to watch for fans

[@chitung2277]

As with most rules, it can be enforced at professional tournaments, but never at casual socials, so huge opening for its use at socials, as many players don't serve legally anyway but noone can stop them....

[@BadmintonInsight]

True 😬 There might be a lot of arguments at club night incoming... Haha!

[@TheHi-T]

Yeah, I play against people who don't serve in one continuous motion. They move racket forward, then back, then forward to hit the shuttle to serve. There are some other tatics. They don't realize they are so focused on cheating that their serves are easy to return. The same guy will do a net shot, then stick up his racket, waving it, to do a volleyball or basketball style block. He is doing it to be cheeky; not to protect himself. One day, someone is going swing a racket (he is blocking the follow-through) into his racket or hit him in the face (too close to net).

[@ifIOnlyHadABrian]

It's literally ONE STEP to stop it at any event. Put up the badminton rules on your phone and show it's banned.... If the rules don't matter at the casual event, then why not just run at the net during your serve and throw the bird on the floor. No Rules! I Win!

[@pammap2042]

learn something new everyday! thanks for the video~

[@BadmintonInsight]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@ovtroll1199]

Can confirm its effective. Someone did it in a social tournament i played early today. Was a tough one to return.

[@watershadowdragon]

Hi Grey and Jenny, just wondering is it possible if you guys could make a video on what you think about during a badminton match? I always hear my coach telling me to play more intelligently rather than just reacting to the opponents shot.

[@zyfrellisaacmikail1761]

This is the best badminton channel ever!

[@yu86832]

Agreed❤

[@beck3740]

Thanks to Tobias for bought this up. I wonder if it's done with thick and rough coating string, I think of AB and BG80, would be more fun and easier

[@RobBoyle75]

I've always held the shuttle just above the cork with the feathers pointing away from me, I find that a very effective way to serve for me at least. As much as I appreciate the skill involved with this new serve, I'd hate to see a rule applied where the holding of the shuttle by the cork was disallowed. Might give this a bit of practice though to see if I can give it a spin! ;)

[@chriscope7292]

oooohhh i’m sat in my local pub watching this already practicing the finger motions - i’ll get home later and give it a go drunk in my garden before my weekly games 😂

[@henrychan1989]

Love u guys’ content as always, keep up the great work. I am wondering is it possible to make a video about hand placement on grip ? For example, high grip placement around the boost cap area is better for fast flat exchange. Hopefully that make sense

[@IgarashiDai]

I don’t think this serve should gain traction, but at the same time, I never learned how to serve properly while holding the feathers 😂 I’m only able to serve “properly” (= not hitting it way too high over the net) when holding it by the cork, haha. If it does get banned, I’ll have to spend days learning the proper serving technique 😅

[@sannekolind1368]

What about keeping the ketcher under your hip? Al serves I see in this video is with the ketcher over the hip.

[@orerez3098]

Wow, can't wait to try this next time I play! Thanks. Question - how effective is it in singles?

[@Rb-or1dh]

As a left hander ,I’ve been trying it for some time and i find it very difficult to do . Thank you so much for giving us this info for left handers!

[@BadmintonInsight]

You’re welcome 😊

[@saviruvenitha713]

Thank you so much I won 2 matches with this serve😊🙏🙏

[@crazybeebob]

Reminds me of F1 cars. Technology -> restriction, new technology -> restricted again. I must admit that the height rule for service is a big step forward. The 'not hit the feathers first' has come for the same reason as this way of serving = unpredictable trajectory. But I think it won't take long before there will come a counter to this. Maybe it's impossible to flick or if you see them holding the cork you might already know what's coming.

[@ahmadhasif979]

After sidek serve, I’m starting proctising this today 😂 lets goooo haha,

[@asutoshsahoo1883]

I m using this service just 7 days ago..(both forehand spen serv as well)😁😁. it's very hard with nylon shuttle

[@SanjayKrishna-u8z]

Yo dude yo guys are the best at batminton no one can beat you ❤

[@brawlerno.2911]

good thing I learnt this cuz tommorow is my badminton doubles competition

[@swaradabade2000]

Damn that explained the serve in such an easy way , can't wait to try it out!

[@mv9143]

great video, didn't even know this existed and yeah definitely not fair🤣🤣🤣

[@hrushildedhia2627]

Does this amazing serve work with forehand?

[@TPToE]

Can you elaborate on why you found little reward in the "conventional" spin serve (as demonstrated so well by Marvin Seidel)? Greg seemed to be getting pretty good at it in that video. Did you find it too inconsistent, too difficult to generate sufficient spin etc.?

[@lorcanzo2498]

I think he means the amount of effort you put into learning it compared to the amount of spin you get. You need to practise the conventional spin serve a lot while this one is relatively easy to learn with lots of spin

[@diogoramos5453]

Best explanation of this serve so far

[@kimlam1818]

Can you make a vid where you show physical traning for badminton? Love your vids and thank you for every vid you make❤

[@kangmuz7034]

It looks dangerous because the shuttle moves unpredictably. I think new rules are needed.

[@TheDtkxiang]

After the rule to hold the shuttle by the feather, we'll try to spin the shuttle the same way while holding the feather 👍

[@rizzgod287]

going to prank my friends with this now😂 thanks!

[@BadmintonInsight]

😂

[@reynanperez7844]

Love your videos 🎉

[@BadmintonInsight]

Thanks Reynan 😃

[@JettroTjie]

I'm in between with the "holding the shuttle only by the feathers" rule because it will require people to relearn the forehand serve. People hold the shuttle either at the bottom of the feather and/or the top of the cork. It's very debatable whether people are or aren't touching the cork. But until then, let's just try this serve hahaha

[@JISHNURAJAKUMARJISHNUKarli]

i did it in my second try i am going to subscribe

[@nayanmistry4641]

Hi Guys, that's a very interesting way to serve, I will certainly be practicing this serve and trying to perfect it before a match I have on Thursday 😬

[@kamnale1317]

similar happened in table tannis, so the rule was introduced where you can only throw the ball from a flat, open palm

[@vannysingh2201]

Can you make a video that why is Tai Tzu Ying is so good as you made of victor , it will be very helpful . By the way Thank you for the easiest tutorial for the spin serve.

[@ericdlandero1976]

I will try to use this on my tournament Thanks

[@kirasenpaiamv]

Hi, I wanted to ask your advice on this. Can you pls make a video or advice me about how to stop my racket sound at top instead of making a sound like wuss from top to shoulder length it’s sound like pulling down even tho i’m using both shoulder,forearm and wrist. Is it correct or the sound only should be at top and there should be no sound like top to shoulder sound?

[@Serial_Lain]

Thanks for the Video Grenny ♥ I hope they will make a rule against this kinds of out of raquet impact . You should not be allowed to spin the shuttle before hitting. Its like playing with your hand before you hit the shuttle in the middle of the ralley and this is not allowed aswell for a good reason.👎

[@joelwallenius2877]

Good point!

[@TheDreamLeaf]

"Its like playing with your hand before you hit the shuttle in the middle of the ralley" What do you mean? That it's like hitting the shuttle with your hand, then hitting it with the racquet in the middle of a rally?

[@Serial_Lain]

@@TheDreamLeaf yes. Its like stop the shuttle with your hand and play on within the rally. But this is just my opinion: Its ok to spin the shuttle with your raquet but not with your fingers.

[@bobminor1141]

​@@TheDreamLeafAre you allowed to play the shuttle with your hand during a rally? If not, why would you be allowed to play the shuttle with your hand at the start of a rally?

[@TheDreamLeaf]

@@bobminor1141 Because "serving" and "in the middle of a rally" are 2 completely different things? I'm genuinely confused. I feel your sentence is like saying we shouldn't be allowed to touch the shuttle with our hand when serving, because we can't touch the shuttle with our hand in the middle of the rally. It's illogical to me

[@royaljacobjohncy]

Now this is a game changing serve 😆 but who knows in sometime there will be another serve like this

[@BadmintonInsight]

Probably yes! It's crazy that there are probably lots of shots that just nobody has invented yet! 🤯👀

[@ggowtham2429]

I've been waiting for this video

[@dstudio1011]

good guess - temp ban by bwf for now until further notice

[@johnhickton2922]

Oh boy, this is going to cause some arguments next club night 😁

[@BadmintonInsight]

😂

[@yimingpan8951]

Win a game and lose friendship

[@gamersmash7127]

I felt good because I rarely see left hand tutorials (which I use left )

[@ChedrecCabalda]

Thx for the tip imma use for my queuing

[@midh_o2664]

You guys are amazing as always..let me try this for my tournament today❤

[@BadmintonInsight]

Good luck and enjoy!

[@richiero0o0]

This looks like a good one to practise at Summer club 😁 I swear I had a lady do something like this against me...except she could do it forehand - I've never pushed so many returns in the net or out the sides!

[@JustMeAP1]

Several people where I play are serving by hitting the bird while firmly holding it in order to cause the shuttle to wobble and be difficult to return. ChatGPT says “You must release the shuttle before hitting it with your racket during a serve. While the rules do not explicitly state you must release the shuttlecock before hitting it, Badminton World Federation Rule 9.1.2 states the server's racket must hit the base of the shuttle so releasing the shuttle before striking ensures this rule is followed and BWF Rule 9.1.7 continuous forward motion requirement implies the shuttlecock should be released to permit striking in one fluid motion without pause. The consensus among players and coaches is the shuttle should be in motion to ensure a fair serve.” Who is right? Thanks.

[@shilpigupta4442]

Wow you guys are great way to learn

[@BadmintonInsight]

Thank you 🤗

[@sz3656]

Hello Badminton Insight, I am living in Suzhou (the place for this year's Sudirman Cup for badminton), I was wondering if you will participate, as I have been your fan for a long time, and I would love to see you in real person and see you play. :)

[@pramodcool619]

Can we hold the cork while serving? or is it compulsory to hold the feather ?

[@BadmintonInsight]

Yes you can hold the cork, you’re now not allowed ‘pre-spin’ on the shuttle

[@pramodcool619]

Thanks , now I can end the argument with my badminton buddies 😂

[@leost152]

I like this serve it makes the game even more fun to watch. At least in Tennis when it is just serve they need to hit the ball 200+km/h. It reminds me the spaghetti racquet that was making the ball to spin in all directions.

[@BadmintonInsight]

Let’s see if the BWF allow it to come back in after the Paris Olympics 👀

[@bobminor1141]

The first forward movement of the racket is the start of the serve. Putting spin on the shuttle as the racket moves forward is akin to playing the shuttle with your fingers. It should be a fault every time under the rules of the game as they exist already.

[@bradparmar4728]

Yes, I agree. It is a keen to non - continuous as prescribed in The Rule.( otherwise simply Double Motion)

[@master40382]

Right, but many players would lift/release the shuttle with the left hand after a forward motion anyway. No rule says you must have already let go of the shuttle at the start of service.

[@Kodunkion]

Carry your racket with the shuttle for twice maybe even 3 times longer than you normally would, the racket will correct the spinning so long as you don't flick off the shuttle too early.

[@dd-ym8hh]

Would this serve work w/ a plastic shuttle?

[@hach5373]

I like this new trick😂❤ Can’t wait to play this in the game and see the opponents drop their jaw😂

[@purplemonkeydishwasher5269]

They do this in F1. Enact rules to limit practises that will ruin the spectator experience. If the game becomes so dependant on the serve then spectators will stop watching and byr bye goes the sponsorship money that funds badminton. Well done for bringing this skill to the masses. It would be great to see someone develop a defense to this

[@BadmintonInsight]

True! We love watching entertaining rallies 😁

[@jasonurroz570]

I said this on Tobias' video, so I'll say it here: Table Tennis outlawed pre-spin of the ball during the serve ... so did Pickleball. Fingers crossed this get banned, too!

[@soyanchd5439]

The BWF gonna ban this real quick 😂

[@editsanime5151]

It's ez guys I just master this serve today if you will practice you will get excellent result ❣️

[@mattpotter8725]

I understand your reservations about preventing rallies, which is fair comment, but surely with this being new is what's causing the advantage and over time how to play it to your advantage will improve so as not to make it so much of an advantage? It looks a tricky serve to master anyway so how effective this would be I'm not so sure, so I think instead of just banning it outright it should be looked at, as I think it is difficult enough winning points on serve as it is without making it harder. I'm also wondering if you could do the same serve holding the feathers (not as easy and possibly effective, but maybe possible), I like the thought of the server having another serve type to throw off the returner. I think we should see how it goes before banning it.

[@brawlerno.2911]

Can you make a shorts video of this serve?

[@nickbradley3966]

Wasn't there a similar serve in the past where someone struck the base and feathers at the same time making the shuttle spin? That caused a rule change, I think this will too. But I'm looking forward to trying it 8-).

[@luf4rall]

Sidek serve

[@amarendrabaahubali6982]

9.1.5. the server’s racket shall initially hit the base of the shuttle; Experimental Variation in effective 12-29 May 2023 for BWF sanctioned tournaments: the server shall release the shuttle without adding spin, and the server’s racket shall initially hit the base of the shuttle; @Badminton insight

[@rinilraphy7409]

After 2 day of practice , I'm gettin the hang of it.

[@BadmintonInsight]

Nice! 👍🏼

[@tr3yrob33]

Does this work with a flick serve or does it have to be a drop?

[@arjun_makhecha]

just a question. but is it better to double grip my badminton racket or use a single grip that was already on the racket.

[@stevemawer848]

Standard answer: it depends! 🙂 If you have big hands and feel a bigger grip would help you, then go ahead and double grip it. I find a double gripped racquet too thick, so I have a 50% overlap owitha single grip to pad it out a bit more, but not too much. Supplied grips on new racquet are often not very good anyway, so you might try a variety to see which you get on with best. I'm a Karakal PU Super Grip guy, personally. Good luck!

[@jackburtonstwin]

While not currently an unlawful serve it does seem to be firmly against the spirit of good badminton and, I suspect, the current laws will be rapidly amended to stop this serve gaining traction. "Gaming" the serve in badminton has been a thing for as long as I have been playing (and that's a long time), but these methods come and then go when people understand the damage they do to our sport.

[@BadmintonInsight]

Very true!

[@MrPiotrV]

Going to disagree with you slightly on that last point. These methods, sadly, don't go away when people understand how damaging they are. They go away when they're banned. The people who come up with these loopholes are fully aware that they're breaking the spirit of the game, but they only care about winning.

[@endless-3161]

1:48 putting it here for spinning Greg.

[@BadmintonInsight]

😂🌪

[@shadowknight6154]

nice trick. Ur tricks always help

[@maricriscasais3781]

Good morning sir... How to streat in the racket if tough... My racket yonex arcsaber fb flash boots...

[@benedictpayot9527]

How do you control the spin power? I tried this and ended up spinning it too much lol it won't go over the net

[@Nitesh-si2sw]

Well, it just got banned

[@BarCaHilmi]

im gonna use this with my officemate 😈

[@tomchoi7074]

Makes the sport less popular from already unpopular.

[@noorheshamnoordin8664]

It Call Sidek Serve origin from 🇲🇾 Malaysia,,,

[@Fahim_Alam]

What's the problem if it rotates clockwise when I'm left handed?

[@Kiko078168]

I'm a little confused, is the shuttle spinning clockwise or anticlockwise? From the finger position and slowing down the video for the right-handed demo, it looks like it's going clockwise but I can't seem to tell for sure

[@stevemawer848]

Looking at the cork end it's definitely going anti-clockwise - you're spinning the bottom of the cork from left to right.

[@frenchfries8126]

my badminton racket is a 14y.o Nanospeed 7000 racket is it still good? it can still hold a 27lbs tension and good for begginers

[@stevemawer848]

The best racquet is the one you can play well with! Not necessarily the newest, or most expensive, or lightest, etc. Most important is the grip size and the balance that suits you (head heavy, light or even).

[@captainmingo6047]

but from my experience ,i have faced the problem of short service from spin serve....

[@Stephen-strange1122]

Can you please give us tips for half court matches

[@BadmintonInsight]

We’ve made 2 videos on half court before! Have you seen them?

[@Stephen-strange1122]

@@BadmintonInsight no i haven't

[@김경민-j9e9q]

I got to know badminton spin serve after watching this video