The New Serve In Badminton That Is IMPOSSIBLE To Return!

[@TheDoctorHojo]

Made a similar comment on a different video but this serve is really interesting. I live in Japan and work in one of the best highschools for badminton in the country and I talked to the coach about it. Apparently over 3 years ago a high school team here used this serve in an all Japan highschool competition and it did not go down well. In Japan, this serve is very famous and since the competition 3 years ago, every highschool competition has an agreement between coaches stating the serve cannot be used. People in Japan use this serve as a joke sometimes, even in very casual play!

[@nilanjanpramanik3587]

The denish guy said in a interview that he saw the serve from japanese youth shuttler

[@Imperfectrun]

Someone loved beyblade as a kid and decided to innovate

[@Thomas-wm8fu]

I was playing badminton league for 17 years and After 5 years of not playing badminton I have finally got back in too it and my power is back but just need too focus on my footwork and improve my fitness. Keep doing the videos they are great I have watched loads.

[@fabricew3972]

Hats off to Greg for learning this serve with his right hand 😲

[@BadmintonInsight]

Haha 😂

[@shanerpaderp4272]

Very interesting to see how players are finding new ways to change the game even after all this time. Can’t wait to give it a try

[@BadmintonInsight]

Agreed, very innovative!

[@bobminor1141]

@@BadmintonInsight Innovative, but will kill the game. I play for the enjoyment of rallies, not just to stand and serve.

[@IM-kk3jq]

Prob all started from Kevin Sanjaya hahahaha

[@bradparmar4728]

​@@bobminor1141 Yes Play Tennis. Get TWO chances to kill the opponent. 😮

[@bobminor1141]

@@bradparmar4728 There's a reason I play badminton and not tennis.

[@geon8792]

This is similar to table tennis. You used to be able to hold the balls by your fingers, but they changed it to having it on an open palm because you could put spin on the ball with your fingers, making your serve much harder to return.

[@Mishtiman]

Yes, correct. They may change the law with this too, if they find it difficult to return.

[@Krystalmyth]

No more innovation allowed.

[@lynxiberian7828]

Meanwhile in volleyball you toss the ball already rotating so it gets even more downwards spin when you hit it lol

[@bert69420]

i think this there would definetly be a new rule where you have to hold the shuttle's feather before you server to avoid giving it too much spin

[@fabricew3972]

They say this at the end of the video!

[@D1alogue]

I don't think that they'll add a new rule regarding serves because serving has already had its own category in BWF'S rulebook. (Take women's singles for example, almost everyone do the high serve) What is most likely to happen though, is them adding two separate serving category (low and high serve aka forehand and backhand serve) and then build the rule from then onwards.

[@1Flyingfist]

I thought you already had to hold it there. If anyone starts doing this serve, I'm just going to concede the game, I've got no time for nonsense. I'd rather go and do something else. 😑

[@BadmintonInsight]

Yes that's what we think is mostly likely to happen!

[@ZacharyBorrelli]

Badminton is stale as all hell with little getting added to it shot and strategy wise. Killing this off when you can do underarm and pancake serves in tennis is just so boring it hurts

[@scales2801]

Thanks

[@scales2801]

Love all your videos, and you guys…

[@BadmintonInsight]

Wow thanks a lot Mike! 🤗 Your support means a lot! 😁

[@scheisstag]

1:55 They say you have to turn it "Anti-Clockwise". And even show an anti clockwise symbol. But if you hold and flick it like they show it, the shuttle turns clockwise (While seen from the top: but thats the way you hold and look at it when serving. And also how you look at it when returning). Or am I mistaken?

[@sannekolind1368]

What about keeping the ketcher under your hip? Al serves I see in this video is with the ketcher over the hip.

[@shamurocks99]

Not exactly sure who was the first to use this serve but the earliest instance I found of someone using it was in the Australian open 2022 by none other than Choi himself! Here’s a link to that match and he first uses it at 5:37:15 : kzbin.infoFcNqOsvlbng?feature=share Liu Yuchen gets super confused by it and even calls the tournament referee over but play continues. Seems to me Choi practiced the serve a lot and then pulled it out later when he got more comfortable using it. Cool how you guys were able to get the serve rather consistent in a short amount of time though! I’ve tried it for several hours and gotten mixed results 😂

[@master40382]

Interesting find! Was Choi the first person to use this serve in international competition then?

[@BadmintonInsight]

Wow this is very interesting 😱 We can't believe it was done so many months ago and it's taken this long for the serve to 'catch on'! Thanks for sharing Tim!

[@Gabor123]

@@liku08p great find. Aren’t top players in badminton scouring the internet to find these kind of edges? Very strange it only now surfaces.

[@vishwaskarmarkar9932]

Hopefully they won't apply spit on the shuttle, like they shine the cricket ball. Whatever next?🙄

[@paulroberts6571]

It was first used - and subsequently banned - in 1982. The Sidek brothers (All England doubles champions) used it that year. I came upon it when playing/ training with and against them in Kuala Lumpur at the end of 1981.

[@JustMeAP1]

No. The S-serve hits the feathers first. This is about generating the shuttle spin before hitting the cork. The BWF extended ban on this Spin Serve has not yet been made permanent, as I understand it.

[@Manuellagunilla02]

I learned to play badminton a week ago and I've learned a lot with you. I enjoy a lot your videos! Pretty fun🤣🤣

[@gaganbisht53]

Watched Tobias Wadenka's video and wondered why Greg & Jenny aren't taking this topic up! Well here we go! Good luck.

[@BadmintonInsight]

Haha we had to spend some time learning it first!

[@chitung2277]

As with most rules, it can be enforced at professional tournaments, but never at casual socials, so huge opening for its use at socials, as many players don't serve legally anyway but noone can stop them....

[@BadmintonInsight]

True 😬 There might be a lot of arguments at club night incoming... Haha!

[@TheHi-T]

Yeah, I play against people who don't serve in one continuous motion. They move racket forward, then back, then forward to hit the shuttle to serve. There are some other tatics. They don't realize they are so focused on cheating that their serves are easy to return. The same guy will do a net shot, then stick up his racket, waving it, to do a volleyball or basketball style block. He is doing it to be cheeky; not to protect himself. One day, someone is going swing a racket (he is blocking the follow-through) into his racket or hit him in the face (too close to net).

[@ifIOnlyHadABrian]

It's literally ONE STEP to stop it at any event. Put up the badminton rules on your phone and show it's banned.... If the rules don't matter at the casual event, then why not just run at the net during your serve and throw the bird on the floor. No Rules! I Win!

[@kirasenpaiamv]

Hi, I wanted to ask your advice on this. Can you pls make a video or advice me about how to stop my racket sound at top instead of making a sound like wuss from top to shoulder length it’s sound like pulling down even tho i’m using both shoulder,forearm and wrist. Is it correct or the sound only should be at top and there should be no sound like top to shoulder sound?

[@Mux0006]

I would like to see it be in use for a while and then get a deepdive on what effects it has had on the matches....not saying it is the case this time, but often new things are banned before players can solve the issue...Will be an intersting topic to follow for sure. Thanks! PS! I was kindda hoping that lefties might do a right handed serve and then swap hands....theat would have made the serve even more crazy 🤣

[@AdrianFausset-g1k]

Another great video I am so old I remember playing the spin serve hitting feathers first, it made world class players look like beginners. Probably need a rule change sooner rather than later

[@ackymedes]

I have been using this serve for past 2 weeks incl at a match. My observation is that you need to practice spinning and releasing the shuttle first such that it lands perfectly down (instead of flying off sideways where your racquet completely misses it). Once you get the release correct, rest is easy

[@selvammanickam8859]

Yes dude i am trying to get the release correct and my hands are starting to pain

[@parker3013-q5r]

Can’t wait to try on my friends at school! You guys are amazing!

[@pammap2042]

learn something new everyday! thanks for the video~

[@BadmintonInsight]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@zyfrellisaacmikail1761]

This is the best badminton channel ever!

[@yu86832]

Agreed❤

[@Ztormrageheero]

As fun as the serve looks, I agree that it makes the game worse to play for receivers and worse to watch for fans

[@jeffhardysoul]

This is gonna be like the Sidek Serve all over again 😂😂 Thanks for the tutorial though, who would've thought to make the shuttlecock spin at a different rotation before hitting it would make it a game changer

[@BadmintonInsight]

Haha potentially yes!

[@beck3740]

Thanks to Tobias for bought this up. I wonder if it's done with thick and rough coating string, I think of AB and BG80, would be more fun and easier

[@venkatesht775]

Super bro.i am from india i will watch your video to learn more.. thanks bro

[@maricriscasais3781]

Good morning sir... How to streat in the racket if tough... My racket yonex arcsaber fb flash boots...

[@chriscope7292]

oooohhh i’m sat in my local pub watching this already practicing the finger motions - i’ll get home later and give it a go drunk in my garden before my weekly games 😂

[@ovtroll1199]

Can confirm its effective. Someone did it in a social tournament i played early today. Was a tough one to return.

[@TPToE]

Can you elaborate on why you found little reward in the "conventional" spin serve (as demonstrated so well by Marvin Seidel)? Greg seemed to be getting pretty good at it in that video. Did you find it too inconsistent, too difficult to generate sufficient spin etc.?

[@lorcanzo2498]

I think he means the amount of effort you put into learning it compared to the amount of spin you get. You need to practise the conventional spin serve a lot while this one is relatively easy to learn with lots of spin

[@RobBoyle75]

I've always held the shuttle just above the cork with the feathers pointing away from me, I find that a very effective way to serve for me at least. As much as I appreciate the skill involved with this new serve, I'd hate to see a rule applied where the holding of the shuttle by the cork was disallowed. Might give this a bit of practice though to see if I can give it a spin! ;)

[@henrychan1989]

Love u guys’ content as always, keep up the great work. I am wondering is it possible to make a video about hand placement on grip ? For example, high grip placement around the boost cap area is better for fast flat exchange. Hopefully that make sense

[@ggowtham2429]

I've been waiting for this video

[@arjun_makhecha]

just a question. but is it better to double grip my badminton racket or use a single grip that was already on the racket.

[@stevemawer848]

Standard answer: it depends! 🙂 If you have big hands and feel a bigger grip would help you, then go ahead and double grip it. I find a double gripped racquet too thick, so I have a 50% overlap owitha single grip to pad it out a bit more, but not too much. Supplied grips on new racquet are often not very good anyway, so you might try a variety to see which you get on with best. I'm a Karakal PU Super Grip guy, personally. Good luck!

[@ayushyadav6017]

Can we do this serve with Mavis 350 or nylon shuttle

[@dd-ym8hh]

Would this serve work w/ a plastic shuttle?

[@hrushildedhia2627]

Does this amazing serve work with forehand?

[@gulshandeepsingh768]

Your vedios always help me to improve my game ❤ love from India 🇮🇳

[@Kiko078168]

I'm a little confused, is the shuttle spinning clockwise or anticlockwise? From the finger position and slowing down the video for the right-handed demo, it looks like it's going clockwise but I can't seem to tell for sure

[@stevemawer848]

Looking at the cork end it's definitely going anti-clockwise - you're spinning the bottom of the cork from left to right.

[@jerryreardon3754]

I can't seem to save your videos to my playlist or share them. Why is that?

[@ahmadhasif979]

After sidek serve, I’m starting proctising this today 😂 lets goooo haha,

[@watershadowdragon]

Hi Grey and Jenny, just wondering is it possible if you guys could make a video on what you think about during a badminton match? I always hear my coach telling me to play more intelligently rather than just reacting to the opponents shot.

[@asutoshsahoo1883]

I m using this service just 7 days ago..(both forehand spen serv as well)😁😁. it's very hard with nylon shuttle

[@mv9143]

great video, didn't even know this existed and yeah definitely not fair🤣🤣🤣

[@Fahim_Alam]

What's the problem if it rotates clockwise when I'm left handed?

[@reynanperez7844]

Love your videos 🎉

[@BadmintonInsight]

Thanks Reynan 😃

[@pramodcool619]

Can we hold the cork while serving? or is it compulsory to hold the feather ?

[@BadmintonInsight]

Yes you can hold the cork, you’re now not allowed ‘pre-spin’ on the shuttle

[@pramodcool619]

Thanks , now I can end the argument with my badminton buddies 😂

[@orerez3098]

Wow, can't wait to try this next time I play! Thanks. Question - how effective is it in singles?

[@SanjayKrishna-u8z]

Yo dude yo guys are the best at batminton no one can beat you ❤

[@frenchfries8126]

my badminton racket is a 14y.o Nanospeed 7000 racket is it still good? it can still hold a 27lbs tension and good for begginers

[@stevemawer848]

The best racquet is the one you can play well with! Not necessarily the newest, or most expensive, or lightest, etc. Most important is the grip size and the balance that suits you (head heavy, light or even).

[@benedictpayot9527]

How do you control the spin power? I tried this and ended up spinning it too much lol it won't go over the net

[@BadmintonInsight]

Should the serve be allowed? Let us know by commenting below: write a 👍for stay, or 👎 for go!

[@zmollon]

This will be the first video with negative likes. This serve is just crazy.

[@davidjiang6174]

👎

[@joshforbesguitar1866]

👎Like Greg said, this will become the only viable serving option if left unbanned, and it creates a very unfun playing and viewing experience for everyone involved

[@barnabyalsop5601]

👎 I'm convinced that this will get banned faster than rain man in a casino....

[@bobminor1141]

No, it should be banned because it will ruin the game. There won't be rallies, the game will just be a serving competition and nobody wants that.

[@swaradabade2000]

Damn that explained the serve in such an easy way , can't wait to try it out!

[@vannysingh2201]

Can you make a video that why is Tai Tzu Ying is so good as you made of victor , it will be very helpful . By the way Thank you for the easiest tutorial for the spin serve.

[@diogoramos5453]

Best explanation of this serve so far

[@tr3yrob33]

Does this work with a flick serve or does it have to be a drop?

[@Joffrerap]

Just precision, it should turn anti-clockwise if i'm facing the cock right? If i'm facing the Shuttle, it would be called click wise right?

[@IgarashiDai]

I don’t think this serve should gain traction, but at the same time, I never learned how to serve properly while holding the feathers 😂 I’m only able to serve “properly” (= not hitting it way too high over the net) when holding it by the cork, haha. If it does get banned, I’ll have to spend days learning the proper serving technique 😅

[@Rb-or1dh]

As a left hander ,I’ve been trying it for some time and i find it very difficult to do . Thank you so much for giving us this info for left handers!

[@BadmintonInsight]

You’re welcome 😊

[@saviruvenitha713]

Thank you so much I won 2 matches with this serve😊🙏🙏

[@kimlam1818]

Can you make a vid where you show physical traning for badminton? Love your vids and thank you for every vid you make❤

[@brawlerno.2911]

Can you make a shorts video of this serve?

[@crazybeebob]

Reminds me of F1 cars. Technology -> restriction, new technology -> restricted again. I must admit that the height rule for service is a big step forward. The 'not hit the feathers first' has come for the same reason as this way of serving = unpredictable trajectory. But I think it won't take long before there will come a counter to this. Maybe it's impossible to flick or if you see them holding the cork you might already know what's coming.

[@skellygriff3986]

I've been trying to hit the spin serve and i'm not sure why it won't spin. (I tried different shuttles) I did the finger flick holding the cork, and when i hit it; it just goes completely straight. I hit it softer, harder, different racquet angle, it isn't working. Anyone able to help?

[@midh_o2664]

You guys are amazing as always..let me try this for my tournament today❤

[@BadmintonInsight]

Good luck and enjoy!

[@shilpigupta4442]

Wow you guys are great way to learn

[@BadmintonInsight]

Thank you 🤗

[@Serial_Lain]

Thanks for the Video Grenny ♥ I hope they will make a rule against this kinds of out of raquet impact . You should not be allowed to spin the shuttle before hitting. Its like playing with your hand before you hit the shuttle in the middle of the ralley and this is not allowed aswell for a good reason.👎

[@joelwallenius2877]

Good point!

[@TheDreamLeaf]

"Its like playing with your hand before you hit the shuttle in the middle of the ralley" What do you mean? That it's like hitting the shuttle with your hand, then hitting it with the racquet in the middle of a rally?

[@Serial_Lain]

@@TheDreamLeaf yes. Its like stop the shuttle with your hand and play on within the rally. But this is just my opinion: Its ok to spin the shuttle with your raquet but not with your fingers.

[@bobminor1141]

​@@TheDreamLeafAre you allowed to play the shuttle with your hand during a rally? If not, why would you be allowed to play the shuttle with your hand at the start of a rally?

[@TheDreamLeaf]

@@bobminor1141 Because "serving" and "in the middle of a rally" are 2 completely different things? I'm genuinely confused. I feel your sentence is like saying we shouldn't be allowed to touch the shuttle with our hand when serving, because we can't touch the shuttle with our hand in the middle of the rally. It's illogical to me

[@brawlerno.2911]

good thing I learnt this cuz tommorow is my badminton doubles competition

[@ChedrecCabalda]

Thx for the tip imma use for my queuing

[@khairulpenyu1657]

I want to tell you guys who create this serve, but i know you guys will blame me. This serve call "S Serve" Created by Misbun Sidek. He won Thomas Cup for Malaysia. I forgot what the year is it. The S Serve is name by his dad "Sidek".but later, this serve is banned in any cup

[@frankauerbach]

It has just been banned

[@simplevideos8605]

Banned already? where can I find the guidelines? I need to decide to practice this serve or not. Thanks in advance

[@marckronemeyer8001]

Where do i find the guidelines plz

[@lxp]

Search internet

[@pretzelnuts]

Bwf guidelines, simple

[@queenlip6152]

Expected. The under the table serve in ping pong was banned as well. Anything that comes off as an exploit is likely to be banned. Just like the offside trick in football.

[@TheDtkxiang]

After the rule to hold the shuttle by the feather, we'll try to spin the shuttle the same way while holding the feather 👍

[@rizzgod287]

going to prank my friends with this now😂 thanks!

[@BadmintonInsight]

😂

[@kangmuz7034]

It looks dangerous because the shuttle moves unpredictably. I think new rules are needed.

[@ashokarunsanthi]

Whenever I play a singles match, after serving my oponnent usually flicks it back, sometimes I find it very hard to return back, as the timing of the shuttle landing is shortened. Even if I return it, it goes straight to my oponnent's hand where they finish it off with a place. How do I prevent this from happening?

[@IgarashiDai]

There’s a number of ways to counteract this. One, if you anticipate that this is going to happen, try moving to the center of the court immediately after serving (or any position from where you feel that you can comfortably reach the shuttle, wherever it may go). If you’re still not able to reach it when you do that, consider either serving from a position further back or trying a flick serve to the back of the court to buy yourself more time. Of course there are other ways to do this, but I think these are the more common/easy to try ☺️

[@kamnale1317]

similar happened in table tannis, so the rule was introduced where you can only throw the ball from a flat, open palm

[@ericdlandero1976]

I will try to use this on my tournament Thanks

[@zhenyuhuishan1655]

Can greg show us how he wraps his towel grips?

[@mattpotter8725]

I understand your reservations about preventing rallies, which is fair comment, but surely with this being new is what's causing the advantage and over time how to play it to your advantage will improve so as not to make it so much of an advantage? It looks a tricky serve to master anyway so how effective this would be I'm not so sure, so I think instead of just banning it outright it should be looked at, as I think it is difficult enough winning points on serve as it is without making it harder. I'm also wondering if you could do the same serve holding the feathers (not as easy and possibly effective, but maybe possible), I like the thought of the server having another serve type to throw off the returner. I think we should see how it goes before banning it.

[@Stephen-strange1122]

Can you please give us tips for half court matches

[@BadmintonInsight]

We’ve made 2 videos on half court before! Have you seen them?

[@Stephen-strange1122]

@@BadmintonInsight no i haven't

[@hach5373]

I like this new trick😂❤ Can’t wait to play this in the game and see the opponents drop their jaw😂

[@nayanmistry4641]

Hi Guys, that's a very interesting way to serve, I will certainly be practicing this serve and trying to perfect it before a match I have on Thursday 😬

[@nickbradley3966]

Wasn't there a similar serve in the past where someone struck the base and feathers at the same time making the shuttle spin? That caused a rule change, I think this will too. But I'm looking forward to trying it 8-).

[@luf4rall]

Sidek serve

[@JettroTjie]

I'm in between with the "holding the shuttle only by the feathers" rule because it will require people to relearn the forehand serve. People hold the shuttle either at the bottom of the feather and/or the top of the cork. It's very debatable whether people are or aren't touching the cork. But until then, let's just try this serve hahaha

[@shadowknight6154]

nice trick. Ur tricks always help

[@sz3656]

Hello Badminton Insight, I am living in Suzhou (the place for this year's Sudirman Cup for badminton), I was wondering if you will participate, as I have been your fan for a long time, and I would love to see you in real person and see you play. :)

[@Hisako123-c9o]

how can you do it by just one practice? bc i have a game tomorrow

[@royaljacobjohncy]

Now this is a game changing serve 😆 but who knows in sometime there will be another serve like this

[@BadmintonInsight]

Probably yes! It's crazy that there are probably lots of shots that just nobody has invented yet! 🤯👀

[@johnhickton2922]

Oh boy, this is going to cause some arguments next club night 😁

[@BadmintonInsight]

😂

[@yimingpan8951]

Win a game and lose friendship

[@gamersmash7127]

I felt good because I rarely see left hand tutorials (which I use left )

[@Si_nengatcha]

Isn't this K Serve introduced by Kevin Sanjaya?? Correct me if im wrong..

Why I needed when I"m left handed make rotations oposit way ? I try it normal - rotate shuttle with middle finger :-) I thing it must be fine both way - clockwise and anticlockwise rotation.

[@stevemawer848]

Greg spins it with his thumb to get the right rotation.

[@endless-3161]

1:48 putting it here for spinning Greg.

[@BadmintonInsight]

😂🌪

[@leost152]

I like this serve it makes the game even more fun to watch. At least in Tennis when it is just serve they need to hit the ball 200+km/h. It reminds me the spaghetti racquet that was making the ball to spin in all directions.

[@BadmintonInsight]

Let’s see if the BWF allow it to come back in after the Paris Olympics 👀

[@richiero0o0]

This looks like a good one to practise at Summer club 😁 I swear I had a lady do something like this against me...except she could do it forehand - I've never pushed so many returns in the net or out the sides!

[@bobminor1141]

The first forward movement of the racket is the start of the serve. Putting spin on the shuttle as the racket moves forward is akin to playing the shuttle with your fingers. It should be a fault every time under the rules of the game as they exist already.

[@bradparmar4728]

Yes, I agree. It is a keen to non - continuous as prescribed in The Rule.( otherwise simply Double Motion)

[@master40382]

Right, but many players would lift/release the shuttle with the left hand after a forward motion anyway. No rule says you must have already let go of the shuttle at the start of service.

[@definitelynotnoreen]

Can you do a review on the new Yonex shoes eclipsion z 2023?

[@soyanchd5439]

The BWF gonna ban this real quick 😂

[@aschmitz93]

I've read online that it's banned by now - is that correct?

[@rinilraphy7409]

After 2 day of practice , I'm gettin the hang of it.

[@BadmintonInsight]

Nice! 👍🏼

[@bubblebubble50]

Is this also useful for singles though?

[@BadmintonInsight]

Yep! Actually HK Vittinghus discussed this on a recent episode of TBE - he was saying, if he needs to stand closer to the net, but can then produce this unreturnable serve then why wouldn't he!