The New Suppressor Damage Is A Mess - Rainbow Six Siege

With the launch of Rainbow Six Siege's latest Season (Y6S3 Crystal Guard) there will be three fundamental updates that will affect the effectiveness of almost every single gun in the game: The new health system, standardised damage drop-off and unified suppressor damage. I have tested all three changes and the first thing I discovered was that the designer notes were full of errors and omissions... as it turns out, the suppressor damage is not unified at all and there are several exceptions to the standardised damage drop-off that were not mentioned in the notes. So in this video, I first address the shortcomings of the patch notes, before I move on to the analysis of what all of these changes will mean for the effectiveness of each gun in Rainbow Six Siege.
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[@Pabelotski-yi9zu]

this man puts more effort in analysing the changes than Ubisoft does in making them

[@laudennis8633]

Even after ubi stops working with him lol. Such great effort is made to keep us updated on new changes and without help from ubi.

[@sd3031]

Why would ubi try? Roblox is worth 7 times ubi on the market, but it's really amazing he still puts up with this company that has so rudely and disrespectfully dissed some of the creators not to mention the other company fuck ups

[@coreyg405]

Ubisoft won’t care until we stop buying skins

[@sidnation7486]

He’s a real hero for the community

[@PBclipz]

@@sidnation7486 and yet 14 people still dislike the video so far, figure that one out.

[@dragonskinner7109]

Rogue-9 after seeing Devs say they finally did something good: *Peace was never an option*

[@Scion15]

@RTX El Risitas (aka El Risitas Fanboi) extraction

[@christophersalinas2722]

@UCfvRxuOZ1-WNI2PvUBXiftw You are a stup1d guy By your logic a shit ton and I mean a shit ton of games are noob games. What you should of said is that they should not use resources on extraction and instead use them for rainbow.

[@christophersalinas2722]

“Stupid” became “Stup1d” because KZbin guidelines 😔😔

[@alphawolf6708]

@Hee Jackson How is it a noob game when even noobs dont even like that game. R6E is absolute shite.

[@nuka-cola_thief6006]

Personally I hope there is an aspect of pvp in extraction eventually because with the involvement of the proteans there should be pvp but thats just a theory and this was just a comment, a comment in a reply section for you.

[@jewelsvevo8153]

Rouge-9 continuin to show he's an absolute King by doin all this hard work for us Keep up the great work King

[@Blank137]

red-9 lol

[@JB33210]

Good stuff. As always, so grateful for the extensive testing and documentation you do on this. Here's to hoping that Ubisoft corrects these inconsistencies before TS goes live and that your testing is a piece of cake!

[@Rogue9]

I hope so too!

[@portalwalker_]

Elas shotgun has got an extended barrel available as well, don't forget that

[@pollutedcrimson]

@RTX El Risitas (aka El Risitas Fanboi) tell me you don't watch pro league without telling me you don't watch pro league

[@AvocadoBondage]

Non slug shotguns weren't affected by the damage drop off changes dude

[@crunch.dot.73]

@RTX El Risitas (aka El Risitas Fanboi) she has the option of an Extended Barrel or Suppressor, suppressor reduces damage, extended doesn't. There is no reason to run no barrel over extended so might as well use extended and get a bit more ranged damage for your shotgun

[@noobeenaut]

@RTX El Risitas (aka El Risitas Fanboi) you haven't seen anything

[@portalwalker_]

@@AvocadoBondage But Elas shotgun doesn't use slug amo

[@GGwasEZ]

I hope all goes well sir! Glad to see you!

[@twometerpeter]

Please come back Rogue. All personal stuff aside, you held this game to account for those of us not talented enough to do what you do.

[@chadcuzbad7009]

Rogue 9 pls come back 😩 the community needs you to crunch all the new numbers in the game, everyone is brain dead now without anyone to provide all the info we used to have

[@kattyga]

If Rogue 9 can find so much I wonder what are the devs and testers really doing?

[@XCVBNMC]

Probably underpaid and overworked or don't even exist at all for the game testers and the devs obviously not giving a shit.

[@racheddar]

Working part time on shitty forgettable Ubi games under terrible bosses

[@arranr]

I'm so glad Rogue-9 was given a reason to regularly analyze siege data again.

[@AjitaniShirasu]

I love that whenever Ubi makes a change to the weapons Rogue is just like *Now this looks like a job for me*

[@CardinalSn]

I still find it funny that all healing abilities are being soft nerfed due to how the new and old health systems worked.

[@nachocheez9690]

That's a good thing

[@PresidentHMV]

Yeah ubi dumb

[@FeedMeSalt]

@@nachocheez9690 if your gonna speak, speak. Don't be a yes or no man. That shows a lack of care and intelligence.

[@nachocheez9690]

@@FeedMeSalt I don't care, nerd

[@ewikw4152]

@@nachocheez9690 dang he is burn

[@RedPandaStan]

I feel like this is the equivalent of the devs turning in a test that they were really really confident in and then they get it back and it's a C. I know they watch these videos, so I just feel bad for them. Back to spending hours working in Siege's spaghetti engine to find the one thing messing it up.

[@DUxMORTEM]

I literally said the moment i saw the suppressor damage change, was Rogue-9 is going to have a field day.

[@thepunisher9928]

Really amazes me how after all the crap you went through you still do this for the community. Hope you’ve been well bro!

[@billbakopoulos1641]

What happened to him ?

[@thepunisher9928]

@@billbakopoulos1641 watch the video at 11 months ago and 7 months ago. It will give you a pretty good picture of the situation. I respect Rogue and don’t want to put it in my own words

[@billbakopoulos1641]

@@thepunisher9928 What can I say... This company will not stop disappointing the community. Not only in the aspect of games but treatment to CCs and that really is sad.. I feel bad that I actually support them by playing games of these people. Thank you for the info though

[@64wy4x8s]

@@billbakopoulos1641 Get_Flanked fucked him over

[@thepunisher9928]

@@billbakopoulos1641 yep, and it’s just ironic in a way, like it actually makes me a bit happy to know Ubi is shitting the bed with games like XDefiant and this biker game. They’re losing the Tom Clancy fans fast by slapping his name on weird arcade shooters that aren’t at all Tom Clancy related. And meanwhile, you have studios like EA with the negative PR that happened around Battlefield V (the WWII one that was unrealistic). They are making a huge comeback this year with 2042. So Ubi gets what they deserve. They did Rogue dirty, and then you see other guys that threw him under the bus to save their reputation. It’s sad, and that’s how I know Rogue is a good guy. Cause he’s still doing this insane testing that I couldn’t imagine how many hours go into it. He really cares about the players and it’s crystal sku… clear*

[@cerjmedia]

Ubisoft intentions: "We want to make the game better!" Ubisoft in reality: *completely breaks the game by accident*

[@AvocadoBondage]

How did they break the game? It was more broken before and now it's more consistent with a few outliers. I get you're meming but the meme only makes sense if it's somewhat true

[@cerjmedia]

​@@AvocadoBondage True, true, it's definitely a bit of an exaggeration here. I'm just saying Ubisoft in general. They have tendency to be like "We're gonna fix _this_ specific issue, and then create a bunch of issues elsewhere. Like when they tried to adjust the way that clash was able to use her gadgets/interact equipment and accidentally created the biggest exploit in Siege History (Clash using her gun and her shield at the same time). I will agree, it is definitely an exaggeration that Ubisoft breaks EVERYTHING. For the most part, the game has always been at least somewhat playable, but with most seasons we always see some pretty outrageous bugs (like the Valk Cam Exploit on Bank, or the Deployable Shield Bug) where one could honestly argue that they rather play the previous season until the bugs are fixed. Of course, I'm not actually mad at Ubisoft for this specific screw-up here. It's in the test server, and obviously not the biggest deal in the world, but it does make you wonder how the hell this happened, and it is pretty annoying when Ubisoft outright tells you "this will happen" but due to bugs or complications, it just ends up not working like that at all.

[@bandz3186]

@@cerjmedia yup I know we’re only talking about siege here but Ubisoft does this shit with every game

[@ghostbravo7127]

It is called a test server, why in the world would they not test potential concepts?

[@droganovic6879]

The fact that you _still_ put in an this work and effort *despite* the devs "slighting" you shows you're a better man than most. That or you just love your subscribers. Either way, thanks for double-checking the developers work for us (and them 😑) Maybe you should start your own business. One that helps developers check their goddamn patches and stuff? Beta-testers inc or whatever. God knows some devs seem to need it.

[@josephflash3120]

I like to imagine he’s also doing it to screw with the devs 😂 like “these idiots suck at their jobs, here’s how it actually works”

[@calvinbarney4737]

I hope your channel grows and gets more recognized. I will recommend this channel to my friends.

[@Rogue9]

Thank you ☺

[@nicodemos4829]

I’m here for the bitter coverage of a game that has emotionally trapped us into playing it forever

[@reduxbg2392]

Yes

[@llla_german_ewoklll6413]

Can we take a moment to appreciate Rogue's beautiful handwriting?

[@ultimatepunster5850]

I would if I could read it. Not the fault of the handwriting, I just can't read cursive, I never learned it, it just looks like fancy squiggles to me.

[@ultimatepunster5850]

I would if I could read it. Not the fault of the handwriting, I just can't read cursive, I never learned it, it just looks like fancy squiggles to me.

[@cutting_for_christ672]

Ubi needs to hire rouge 9, he could fix this game.

[@Hola-fr7kl]

For real

[@desertsmeagol7073]

Ikr

[@EYM-xh2ur]

They don’t even wanna see him anymore lmao

[@cutting_for_christ672]

@@EYM-xh2ur facts

[@BossMkII]

The dev's gave up explaining, they knew their explanations were going to come from ROGUE

[@ichabod6632]

Looking forward to the updated silencer analysis! I love using them on the guns that don't lose much.

[@fartguy4935]

so glad i found this channel again! you helped me so much in my early siege days a few years ago, and it’s great to have come across this channel again

[@martind5653]

Simple fix. Just get rid of dmg reduction for suppressors all together. You are already giving up on recoil control anyway. Do it Ubisoft. I dare you.

[@cosmology124]

more realistic that way as well

[@XCVBNMC]

Everyone will just use it for benefits it provides, there has to be some disadvantage for it to be balanced out. Problem is Ubisoft themselves can't do the math to even balance it

[@lucious8675]

@@XCVBNMC the disadvantage is higher recoil

[@parsastrife6629]

@@lucious8675 Which is just not enough. I would take 15% more recoil if that meant my gun would be silenced on almost every gun. I would be fine with that in an actual realistic shooter, but this game is more of a pseudo-realistic for the sake of being a competitive eSports game.

[@vxgodspeedxv9937]

@@parsastrife6629 this game is more like looney tunes characters with nerf guns nowadays.

[@SharkAnthony]

Rogue 9: make a comeback! R6 needs you making content like this again!

[@rookie2128]

*Looks at the title* You mean even more than before?

[@dipstick555]

Why do they even have drop off? maybe with buckshot it makes a bit sense (but not at the extent in siege) but 9mm is plenty lethal out to 100m

[@commandergull8188]

because its a game so there has to be balance. (even though this game is supposed to be the most realistic tactical shooter on the market)

[@Rogue9]

Very good question... I guess they just wanted to make sure the gameplay felt different at different ranges you come across in the game, so every gun was made ridiculously close ranged.

[@XCVBNMC]

@@commandergull8188 it stopped being realistic after year 2. This is nothing but an esports shooter like the rest except here you die from one shot if it's on the head.

[@commandergull8188]

@@XCVBNMC thats so true. the only way i can have fun with this game is by having good internet and hoping I don't face sweats in casual

[@honorguard7616]

Game effectively is a hero shooter but made slow firing but not one shot guns worse compared to pea shooters generally

[@DrizzyDBayBe]

As soon as i saw the suppressor damage change i said to buddy "oh boy rogue nine is gonna be so annoyed when its still not right"

[@topgoose4818]

Ill still never understand why 5.56 rifles with 16 inch barrels are shooting bullets that slow down to half speed after 40 meters.

[@Rogue9]

Rainbow Six Siege doesn't actually take place on earth. It is on a planet that is 100% identical to earth, except that the air is suuuuper dense.

[@BlueJayStreams]

Ubi: here are the changes we added and they work Rouge: Hmmmm are you sure about that

[@kryhigh9302]

I was waiting for this video since seeing Ubi's post you reference, and my god it's worse than I thought

[@trxxblx-wxs-hxrx]

Hey Rogue I miss your videos, siege ain’t the same anymore and miss your breakdowns. Hope you’re up mate if I can buy you a drink let me tip

[@paysonallen4063]

You have not been forgotten

[@michaellopez9733]

I mean the slight differences in damage are probably due to float values vs. integers in the code. The other discrepancies are more than likely short cuts, laziness, or not wanting to nerf certain guns.

[@Szhutsen]

Ubi releases a data table Ubi learns from Rogue-9

[@davooooooooo]

Always a treat to see a Rogue-9 video in my subscription feed!

[@OscherDeJuicer]

Thanks for the reliable video rogue 😎❤️

[@kadenfleming6453]

Thank you for your work and content provided! Please keep it up

[@jaxtheace]

Wow this Table looks like when my Teacher has to make corrections because I got the wrong data and labels.

[@kitkup8570]

Before watching I'm hoping they're a mess in a good way that make them viable, because I really want them to be

[@hugon6717]

Same but it would be too op.

[@kitkup8570]

@@hugon6717 It really wouldn't letting all guns have 1 shot headshots is too op, oh wait.... in other words, it makes no real difference apart from you don't have to listen to the annoying gun sounds as much, as in combat the suppressor makes no difference as fights can end in 1 shot anyway, in a game where you can't 1 shot people it may be stronger as it makes it harder to return fire, but because the the TTK on headshots is literally 0 it means that things like suppressors have little to no value outside of people just liking them I for one just like suppressors in games and a game that just makes them trash for the sake of making them trash is a bad game, Yes it's a very bad game, it's a buggy mess made by people that don't know how their own game works so they can't effectively make changes to it What's even worse is they don't listen to the people that do play the game, you know stuff like the Goyo issue with the sheilds that they're only now trying to fix? they knew about that before Goyo even got released thanks to pro player feedback, they refused to listen to them, that's just an example but they have feedback and can easily get feedback from every choice they make, they refuse to take it while not having the knowledge themself to make theses choices In other words, they're doing it because they're dumb and don't know any different

[@cxmxqx]

ubisoft should remove the suppressor doing less damage, it’s already a con since you get no recoil buff

[@lorkieborkie2537]

at this point I'd be more surprised if supressors worked correctly

[@Rogue9]

Fair, I really don't know why I was expecting anything different than usual

[@volt_8339]

with the pistols it makes some sense with supressors a slow round would do more damage than a fast one but thats only slight sometimes

[@hankhill4321]

it still doesn't make any sense that the suppressor makes less damage. the fact that you don't have any recoil buff using it should be penalty enough

[@eugiboy1]

Because then everyone would take the suppressor since you have the advantage of not allowing your enemy to react to no tracers.

[@commandergull8188]

i love how games always make suppressors give your gun less range when in reality it should give more range because the barrel is longer for the bullet to travel through.

[@mochithepooh5368]

Look here is my change for Suppressor. Don't make it decrease the base damage but make the damage drop off much sooner and much severe, like maybe 10 meters.

[@RatRatRattyRatRat]

Him: *playing Iana* Me: *Happy Iana main sounds*

[@unowno123]

2:28 a quick reminder that dealing 100 dmg is NOT a 1 hit kill, its only a down, and with the new system where you dont know if you've downed someone, this is going to spark a LOT of frustration inmagine shooting someone with kali's sniper and not knowing if you even downed them... i never understood why they said "we made kali more consistent by making her sniper damage a number" (that isnt even consistent instead of keeping it a 1 shot down at all ranges)

[@m0d.]

Lovely handwriting Rogue-9!

[@shadowraven137]

I really wonder how the engine calculates damage. These seem like relatively rookie mistakes in coding (especially now that armor is just different health values instead of damage reduction). Ty for the analysis, was great as usual.

[@simonmarkham4626]

I like how the annotations look like a teacher grading a paper

[@illumineex]

thanks for the effort of testing all of this!

[@zaidtayeh4888]

Armor and health is a bit stupid Some ops technically got nerfed or buffed with this Lesion nerf Oryx buff etc.

[@keith8225]

And don't forget the f2 and g8 3 shotting 2 armors now

[@Rogue9]

It's a nerf to all healers and Rook but also to all tick damage weapons (fire, gas, electricity). All of these used to ignore the armour multiplier but soon they will have to overcome the additional HP of many operators.

[@mochachino56]

@@Rogue9 do the new armor system nerf explosion damage too ?

[@XCVBNMC]

@@mochachino56 well a 3 armor can now go through 2 kapkans and walk out without going down

[@zaidtayeh4888]

@@Rogue9 which is bs cause monty will tank smoke better for some idiotic reason

[@drzen7703]

The beginning, that spot to the toilet ,really needs a tweak. this spot is just so weird.

[@WubNubDubs]

this damage reduction will heavily impact low rank - normal ranked players. While pros aim heads (based on what i always see)

[@DBR-KPA]

Sadly the suppressor changes means the only gun with minimal STK difference is now Frost's C1

[@LatifHZ-ww1tl]

But Extended Barrel is also for other Weps available for example the Fo-12 of Ela

[@Rogue9]

Oh yes, you are completely right. But of course the shotguns are not getting touched and that's why I left it out of the video. I should have been clearer though!

[@chased_productions]

If there is one thing I have learned about Siege over the years, it's that damage is completely random. Sometimes you flail your crosshair, land one shoulder shot and get an instant kill. Sometimes you pepper someones entire upper torso with 3-5 shots, and they don't even drop below half health.

[@Ursos22]

Ubisoft: *thinking they fixed the suppressor damage* Rouge 9: imma stop you right there

[@gafarhere]

i mean i still dont see any use for suppressor with this mechanic of reducing damage. No any recoil reduction, reduced damage, and even the sound is still hearable? Like Ubi? What is the profit? Cool sound? Just make it at least without damage reduction keeping no recoil reduction like vanilla weapon stuff, and even this "kinda" supressed sound.

[@kidhavii]

I stopped playing R6, but I still watch your content. I like the effort you put into your analyses.

[@ghalfo_734]

Tip: suppressor on Thunderbird’s Spear is nuts

[@nathanielpettersen2560]

Nice*

[@zacharybenson3175]

@@nathanielpettersen2560 nah he meant nuts

[@minsungpark1479]

sounds nice as hell too

[@yarnickgoovaerts]

Isn’t it just the same as Finka’s Spear?

[@ghalfo_734]

@@yarnickgoovaerts yes it is, but Finka is an entry fragger, she doesn’t need a suppressor. TB instead is a roamer, a suppressor could help her hide and take the attackers time. The Spear, even suppressed, still pucks a punch so it doesn’t matter

[@markmarketing7365]

love how the only weapons buffed are the strongest weapons in the game.

[@shermanheilui]

This made me think of the kali nerf

[@Doinstuffman]

Ela's FO-12 gets extended barrel, too

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

Then there's me, running suppressors based (almost) solely on how the gun sounds when suppressed.

[@TheTEN24]

Great work my man

[@Zak0True]

No one's talking about how the greater-than and less-than signs are wrong. Well, the 2nd column is fine, but the first should be the same as the 2nd. First drop off begins at 20m and above right? So greater than 20m first drop off will apply. That's >=20m (greater than 20m), not

[@kaymeachem1619]

Wow something ubisoft did isn’t working how they said how surprising.

[@speedtree]

Another great video as always :)

[@mr._.mav792]

6:16 okay but can we take a moment to appreciate this mans handwriting???

[@unironicdoomer614]

Happy to see Rouge getting big sponsors. Man deserves them.

[@MNot00]

TLDR: you shouldn't have slept through math class

[@PeterPalDesign]

Great work. Nice video. Subscribed 👍

[@silentshabah]

Rogue-9 is the ultimate uno reverse card of siege. Love the guy! 😂

[@Scott.E.H]

It is so irritating to see Ubi STILL insist that suppressors reduce damage. It's bad enough that they're still easily audible, on top of giving up easier control of your weapon with a different muzzle device. I just don't understand how they could possibly think that suppressors are so strong that they need such glaring downsides. If they were even half as good as they seem to think they are, nobody would be using any other attachment.

[@Alecfisher01]

I like how the armor change is basically just changing the word armor to health and adding like 15-20 points to the health pools Hardly a change really, because from footage it send like the ttk is exactly the same as prior.

[@raininginside]

That's the whole idea.

[@Plardo]

So overall is this a buff or nerf for suppressors ???

[@jrbudoybudoy]

Sup Rogue-9! Good analysis as always!

[@PresidentHMV]

Damn ubisoft is extremely incompetent

[@krossersmachinima]

Damn, I miss the time Siege was fun...

[@dad7335]

Why do the suppressors deal less damage anyway? Its like 7 years ago they thought they were going to be OP but then forgot about it and never made any changes.

[@samdogygaming918]

Thank you for all you do.

[@flip2flop971]

Devs: hmm since we have stated the statistic it will be clear for them. why the boss music is rising up? Rogue-9: *taking out his glasses* LET ME CHECK ABOUT IT.

[@konohashinobi89]

Legendary work Rouge! Thank you! / The whole community

[@Khalcipher]

I feel that r9 does more work than ubisoft sometimes

[@Rogue9]

I discovered that the suppressor long range damage is wrong after testing one single weapon... I have no clue how they didn't notice that.

[@XCVBNMC]

@@Rogue9 simple answer honestly they don't test it.

[@kainmaxey]

This is my first time watching this dude and his voice is fucking butter-

[@novax5221]

The extended barrel needs a buff because the extended range isn't enough to make it viable

[@arcanezedreaper793]

It's funny how Ubisoft bans Rogue from some of their things because theyre protecting their corrupt people and still he proves them wrong and how to correct their testing and balance changes.

[@luukderuijter1332]

I really hope i don't have to un-attach my supressors

[@joudi_pics]

If ubi hides the suppressed gun in kill feed, I will smash that attachment on all weapons

[@ΓεώργιοςΠαπαδόπουλος-μ9μ]

thanks for the vid! appreciated! I'm glad to see that although the devs don't, you care about the game!

[@Jack-oc2fc]

When ur friend gives you the aux:

[@DevotedpupaVODs]

Looks like the P90 is walking away with a lot of indirect buffs with this and the new armor system. Good for everyone with a fancy skin that was sad they had to use the MP5 instead

[@princesslightning5447]

Rouge the GOAT IS BACK! Love you man so glad to see u

[@hero8359]

Still no ACOG or old house? They have their priorities in the wrong place still.

[@Glebasik148]

they should name this system (not quite) standardised damage drop off

[@lowie2097]

ow no ak12, c7-e, m762 and 416-c bufs. Guess we'll soon get even more recoil to deal with

[@Hi-Yanto]

[off topic comment] Could ubisoft make bosg supressed?

[@WAHegle91]

I just love my games to come with a couple of big, fat asterisks.