The No-Escape Weapon that Turned Soviet Jets into Junk

[@gooddoggy3257]

I became a qualified iHawk Tactical Control Officer in June 1979 at Ft. Bliss. Good school. That simulator was 20 years ahead of gaming systems and was great fun to train on. My instructor was Mr. Haney, a crusty retired Master Sargent who knew the system inside out. "Shoot, Look, Shoot."

[@archieletsyouknow5508]

💯👍🏼ADA. I started off in chaparral all my sergeants were hawk missile systems. When does stinger than Patriot. The air defense family is a small one👍🏼

[@markhilsen2528]

My neighbor was Chris "B", a senior Ratheon engineer and Tech from August, 1978 and well past June, 1979, so our paths almost crossed. He was maybe 50-55 years old with white hair and the smartest guy in our apartment complex. I was in El Paso with my wife as a Continental 727 flight engineer. I recall all these years later Chris saying the internal joke was that HAWK stood for "wHo Are We Kidding?" and he was working on an improved fiberglass compressed gas sphere for the missile flight controls. My neighbor on the other side was Axel "R", an Oberleutnant in the Bundeswehr and BCO for the Nike Hercules. (I can't believe the Nike Hercules was still a thing when I was 26 years old.) The Germans were amazed at the size of a country where they could shoot missiles all day and never hit anything but sand, while Chris tried to educate me about engineering and math. Good times. I'll be we hung out at the same places. My last visit to Ft. Bliss was my last flight as a Boeing 747-400 Captain (before going to another airplane) in 2008. Looked around, remembered the desert smells, and while waiting to load troops discovered a half dozen of my old ELP friends still had telephone numbers that worked. I think you just talked me into going back again to spend a few days.

[@josephluscavage8162]

When I got to my first ADA Battery, they had just gotten the MANPADS (Stinger) simulator. It actually had a small TV on a missile frame that was attached to the master TV (it was B&W) but for the early 90's it was better than any game console. And your right in retrospect the troops spent a lot of extra time training (playing) with them. I recognized the terrain on the system it was Ft. Sill as I had just come back from there having done a branch transfer course.

[@archieletsyouknow5508]

💯 Fort Bliss ,Logan heights👍🏼 can't forget Dyer Street 😂old school ADA

[@flyinbiker2001]

I remember Mr. Haney , were you there when the Iranian Capt. hit the interlock button on the Highpower drawer and stuck his hand in ?

[@JayBee-cr8jm]

I was a Hawker in 1990. 3/52 ADA sitting on the Fulda gap. Of course the system was wildly obsolete by then. We had Stingers by then. "We may be a Hawk unit but we're an infantry unit once that first Hawk leaves the launcher". Killer Hawk sir! Death from below!

[@nicholasmaude6906]

Hasn't the MIM-23 HAWK been repeatedly upgraded over the years starting in the late 1960s?

[@timothymorgan8254]

*You're a target once the first missile leaves the launcher

[@davidca96]

Thank you for your service JB

[@JayBee-cr8jm]

@@davidca96 Thank you. It was my honor.

[@enricomandragona163]

One of the best aircraft ever built in my opinion!! It's done everything from taking off on skis on snow covered aircraft carriers in Korea via rocket propelled and landing on ice flows!!

[@restaurantattheendofthegalaxy]

The Hawk system was retired out of the US Army by 1997, long before MRAP was even an idea. Their components were towed by M35 Duece & 1/2 six wheel drive trucks.

[@gearstark2479]

I think the reason the MRAP was mentioned might because the Ukraines are using them to tow their HAWKs. Just shooting in the dark here

[@jamesolbrisch2582]

Lol I learned to drive stick on an old 2.5 ton out on the back side of Ft Bliss 😆 🤣

[@RC41591Shadow]

Yeah that really confused me too. I hope Dark Docs isn't using ChatGPT to do their research. 😂

[@firstsgt279]

@@jamesolbrisch2582 Learned on an old 1960 5 Ton. Instructor kept telling me I was trying drive it like a Sports Car. I was Tow/Dragon, MLRS, IFTE, Corp support, trained and worked on Hawk, Avenger, Bradley and Patriot. What can I say liked going to School. But reason was in 28yrs my MOS would get phased out or combined

[@360SunTzu]

Ok, for a minute I thought I slipped into another video.

[@Bob-qk2zg]

My father sold Hawk missiles to Israel... Egypt, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. It was a very good system and he had a shelf full of awards.

[@gmoney8087]

Awesome connection for sure!! But Israel has never actually "paid" for too many US weapons. Lol. Gifted mostly....this is why Israel needs to recognize without the US, they don't exist...

[@lordraydens]

@@gmoney8087 and apologize for the liberty

[@sid2112]

@@lordraydens Um, they did... Immediately following the incident the PM contacted the US Ambassador in Tel Aviv. This is well documented historical fact. If you want to complain about Israel then find a truth to use. Lies make your arguments weaker.

[@lordraydens]

@@sid2112 no, they didn't

[@sid2112]

@@lordraydens Well either the entirety of the internet is lying or you are. Feel free to google it, just like I did before I posted.

[@joeschmuccatelli2167]

I was a radio repairman in the military. The I - Hawk saved our asses many times.

[@glennbrymer4065]

I spent 2 years on a US Army Hawk site in Germany, 1969 to 1971. I was a power generation specialist. We held off the Soviets jet bombers. We held air superiority.

[@PapiDoesIt]

When I was in the Cold War army in Germany, we had an alert once because a hot air balloon drifted over the tank range. Hawks tracked it all the way. When they landed the balloon they got to have a nice long chat with Polizei, and then military intelligence.

[@davidca96]

can you imagine being in that balloon, coming down and being informed you had a surface to air missile battery tracking you the whole time? Bet they soiled themselves a bit.

[@michaelthydell5271]

In Sweden we utilized the HAWK System as RBS 77/97 - proudly served there as a reserve officer.

[@Original50]

There's something funky about knowing a weapon-system that has been in constant active-service, somewhere, for longer than I have been alive...

[@jimbranaum1062]

You mean like the B-52?

[@Original50]

@@jimbranaum1062 Yes! 🤯

[@MostlyPennyCat]

Oh wow, it looks like Hawk had exactly the same limitations to overcome as Sea Dart, specifically its radar set. Sea Dart also couldn't initially hit low level targets until a new radar with Moving Target Indicator was available. Continual upgrades to the radar, identified as the most important requirement for Sea Dart, was what allowed HMS Gloucester to shoot down that Silkworm ASCM. And the crappy VHF radar on HMS Coventry was what doomed her during the Falklands War.

[@Original50]

@@MostlyPennyCat My father was once 'draughtsmen' for Marconi, working on SeaDart and SeaSlug. Heady days 🤓

[@darkjudge8786]

My first rifle in recruit training was made in 1959. I was born in 72.

[@chetburress3839]

62 years ago during the height of the Cold War I served in the 516th Ordinance Detachment, 7th Army in Germany. I spend much of my time traveling between 5 HAWK batteries repairing the radars and other electronics systems. The radars are in open areas exposed to wind, rain and snow so I would park my jeep as close as possible with my test equipment and circuit diagrams inside the jeep. I got a few bad electric shocks but managed to continue on. It’s great to see the HAWK system with its upgrades still performing well.

[@ronaryel6445]

An Iranian Air Force pilot flying an F-14A Tomcat shot down an Iraqi fighter with a Hawk missile that had been adapted to fit into a launch rail on the Tomcat.

[@theany9765]

Some analysts think that the Iranian copy of the AIM-54 is internally an air-launched Hawk.

[@ronaryel6445]

@@theany9765 They are wrong. The Iranians used both AIM-54As and, separately, Hawk missiles adapted to the Tomcat.

[@williamlloyd3769]

My uncle was an EE and worked on the various Hawk improvements for years. He traveled all over the world supporting various allied military that had implemented the system.

[@Sku11Leader]

What's the deal with the MRAP footage? Does it really belong in this video about a missle system from the 70s/80s?

[@ronaldb4885]

I'm with you. That seemed REALLY out of place. I was thinking "OK, find me pictures or footage with that vehicle and the system together..." given the context of this production is historical in nature.

[@MadScientist267]

110% stock footage. Nuff said.

[@gjnezat]

Absolutely crazy that the design has been able to undergo so many modernization's and still be capable.

[@daveslem4203]

Got assigned to USMC 3rd LAAD/LAAMB Bn in AZ. MRAPS werent around yet to deploy the unit. We used Dragon Wagons. Our unit was dissolved and the Hawk IIs mothballed before the MRAP came into being.🇺🇸

[@jimbranaum1062]

1st LAAMB Bn RVN 12/67-8/69 and not all batteries were on 327 or in Danang.

[@daveslem4203]

@@jimbranaum1062 SFMF🇺🇸

[@JohnJackson-e9z]

The last Hawk upgrade was done in 1998. It was pretty much an all new system at that point but the military decided to replace it with newer versions of the Patriot system.

[@GeraldPhillips-ci2yv]

I remember a briefing from 2 Air Force Fighter Pilots in 1960 at our tac site in Germany, any the quote goes something like this: "We have no problem going into East Germany, our problem is coming back into West Germany, if our IFF is out, the Hawk batteries are unable to recognizes us as friends, and shot us down". And the other statement was "that is if you are still alive after 28 minutes".

[@SaltyMeatHook]

MRAP? What?!? Hawk was retired before I was even in the military and the MRAP came out after I was out of the military. lol

[@BobVeldkamp-l9l]

Served with the Dutch 5th missile group in th late 70s to the mid 80s stationed in Lower Saxony Germany,it was a cutting-edge system at the time

[@wc864]

Who knew that HAWK is an acronym for “Homing All the Way Killer” ?

[@jimbranaum1062]

All of us Hawk folks knew that and many students of military equipment. The name is not classified, just how it works.

[@Slavic_Goblin]

it's more likely a so called backronym.

[@wc864]

Any Hawkers that transitioned to Patriot?

[@bawbremy]

Also Holiday and Weekend Killer!

[@infernosgaming8942]

Just like how patriot is actually Phased Array Tracking Intercept On Target, pointless acronym for the sake of acronym.

[@MaxKrumholz]

The Israelis have upgraded the Phase 2 standard with the addition of a Super Eye electro-optical TV system for detection of aircraft at 19 to 25 mi (30 to 40 km) and identification at 11 to 16 mi (17 to 25 km). They have also modified their system for engagements at altitudes up to 79,000 ft (24,000 m).

[@Charles-k9g5y]

Israel takes most USA equipment and improves it.

[@willgallatin2802]

That would be a part of the LASHE system, implemented in phase 3. They just gave it their own name. 2/174 A.D.A.

[@Slavic_Goblin]

Kind of doubt that altitude claim... unless they basically redesigned the entire missile and gave it a lot more rocket than it ever had.

[@corey0863]

@@Slavic_Goblin you would be surprised what one small change can make on a missiles range. Aim-9x is perfect example.

[@Slavic_Goblin]

@@corey0863 No, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm willing to bet that "small" change is a bit more than just "small". There are no free lunches in physics.

[@willgallatin2802]

The US was still using HAWK in the 90's, though they were phased out in favor of newer systems. That was an impressive system to watch fire. The sentinel system was pretty good too.

[@lesliegrayson1722]

I met a fella that was having a holiday and told me he made a deal selling Hawk missiles. I should have gotten his name. I know Id have enjoyed working in the warfare business, working with dudes like him, knowing stuff that none else in the world knows.

[@kd5ful]

C battery 2/1 ADA, 11th ADA (HAWK). Desert Storm. I was a mechanic, and I'll just say I slept SOUNDLY, thanks to this system.

[@kd5ful]

We were at Bliss.

[@kd5ful]

Yeah, I remember that mission. The best spot was that giant satellite dish just east of San Diego, lol. What battery were you with?

[@kd5ful]

We had 1sg Coral, but, yeah, I remember y'all. Cool to meet you on KZbin. All the best, bro. I was a mechanic back then, got out, went back in, became district support, finished out 10 years at 1 Cav at Hood.

[@sblackwell1657]

I was there with you in Desert Storm A battery 2/1 ADA, 11th ADA(HAWK). I was also in 2/1 ADA, 35th BDE (PATRIOT) prior to Sep 9/11 with Operation Southern Watch.

[@spookymane8839]

The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn’t.

[@finnm.2582]

In the German Army there was an abreviation for the Hawk, "Haufen Arbeit, Wenig Kohle" which translates in "Lots of work, little pay" in English.

[@memostothefuture]

Your music is too loud, it is competing with your excellent VO now.

[@jacksp5089]

I was in the 3RD ADA (air defense) at Ft. Bliss for AIT (16E - fire control) . While I was stationed in Okinawa the Warrant officers couldn't keep those batteries up longer than 15 minutes with all the tube based electronics. When we gave back the air defense to the Japanese of the island in 73 we gave them 4 Hawk and 4 Nike missile batteries. I hear that the Hawk upgraded to much better electronics but that was WAY after the Yom Kippur War. Reagan finally got rid of that scrap to an unsuspecting Iran in trade for about 50 American hostages. Before they found out it was garbage the hostages were in the states. They tried to pin some garbage charges on Col. Olly North but nonthin much happened. ;>)

[@joelellis7035]

4th LAAMB, Detachment B, Charlie Battery Hayward, CA. 4th MARDIV. HAWK Continuous Wave Radar Repairer, MOS 5925 (27K Army equivalent).

[@david9783]

May 1974, Ft Bliss. 16B-Nike Hercules Missile Crewman. Wild times in Juarez!

[@abbenormal9665]

My father helped design the Hawk.

[@sid2112]

So did my aunt! She was a guidance systems engineer. They might have known each other.

[@1czechit1]

My father was protected by the Hawk....(Yom Kippur war)

[@socaljarhead7670]

Anything that flies within 25 miles of a HAWK battery stands a very, VERY high probability of not making it back to wherever it came from.

[@johnmaddock256]

There was a HAWK missile site on the airfield I was stationed at in Germany. They would have drills once a month various aircraft would fly around the airfield at different altitudes, speed, and angles.

[@grapeshot]

When I was a kid in the early 80s I had a Hawk missile system GI Joe toy.

[@poopmcgee3826]

the mobile missile system. i loved playing with that thing!

[@mykelengieza7057]

H.I.S.S. right? Cobra's heat seaking missile system

[@WarpigA23]

​@@mykelengieza7057No, the H.I.S.S. was a tank, the High Speed Sentry. The Hawk was called the M.M.S., Mobile Missile System.

[@DavidOliveriMcGovern]

And it came with Col. Hawk action figure (he later became Gen Hawk)

[@Shogun459]

I trained on this system as a Launch Trailer Crewman. "It Flies, It Dies." was the Motto.

[@Lafly84]

Lol I have a pt sweatshirt somewhere with "If it flies it dies" on it somewhere from there back in the day and I wasn't even ADA.

[@infernosgaming8942]

Took on new meaning in patriot, since we have a certain affinity for shooting down friendly aircraft that appear as cruise missiles...

[@rdsledge]

I lived in Homestead Fl. There were two Hawk Missal batteries. One was to the South of the AFB and on North West of Homestead AFB. There used to be some Hawk Missal Gate Gards in Florida City South of Homestead.

[@williamwilson6499]

Missile.

[@twoheart7813]

I had a revel model kit of this wep back in the day.

[@davidbarton6095]

I was a 24G at Hohenfels and Geiblestadt from 88 to 91. The video was a trip down memory lane and a bit of fiction too. When I was in training we had UAE guys one said that it's a great anti-tank weapon as the Iranians taught the Iraqis.

[@grapeshot]

My dad show me a picture of a hawk missile battery he took the picture while he was serving over in Vietnam.

[@jimbranaum1062]

Wonder if that was mine.

[@jonsingle1614]

Our post in Germany had a hawk site right out the back gate....it was really small....then they moved to a new location a few miles down the road later

[@tommydaniels1805]

What base was this at and in what year?

[@clintjohnson5147]

Baumholder to Neubreuke?

[@jonsingle1614]

@@tommydaniels1805 peden barracks....early 80s

[@edwardgonzalez3733]

My dad as a civilian working at Pueblo army depot Helped with the design and schematics for the wiring and electronics So proud

[@CurseTheDarkness]

Pueblo, Colorado?

[@Saanichian]

I served as a Combat Med Tech with 2nd LAAM BN during Desert Shield/Storm. This video brings back some memories.

[@sharkscrapper]

Fascinating that Hawks have continued to evolve since the cold war and remain effective in today's battlefields.

[@ped8015]

I was a 31M in 2/51 ADA Camp Forsthye outside Fort Riley, KS. 6 months of work and 8 months of closing it all down in 83. 1 formation a day!

[@daystatesniper01]

Good video but PLEASE turn the music down

[@RobertClolery]

In 1974, we saw a Hawk battery test fire at McGregore Range . The first round exploded as it left the rail and set off the other rounds. Nice fire we did not help put out.

[@wadadli4sun]

It may be 6 decades old, but can one call the missile 'beautiful'? It certainly looks like what a missile should look like!

[@egmccann]

"We call it HAWK. Homing all the way killer." "So, someone really wanted it to be called HAWK."

[@JanBruunAndersen]

#3:11 - when I grew up in Denmark 🇩🇰 during the 1970's, we had HAWK batteries nearby at Stevns Fortet pointed eastward out over the Baltic Sea and Russia. Today the site has been turned into a museum, including the underground tunnels and underground control rooms, storage rooms, and bunk rooms.

[@sarcasmo57]

Well they look impressive.

[@josephpacchetti5997]

My late Father was the Quality Assurance Procurement Directorate for the U.S. Army Missile Command, for twenty eight years, He told me about this System, Even Though It Was Classified Information, He died In 1984.

[@udirt]

you seem to have kept it to yourself for 30 years, he judged well.

[@josephpacchetti5997]

@@udirt Thank You.

[@fredrickmillstead2804]

Homing all the way killer. Right name, right weapon.

[@26betsam]

Flew F111 during the Cold War. Everyone was aware of the "Hawk Belt" and the need to play by the rules, post strike return.

[@MH5XXXX]

There is a HAWK IN FRONT of a VFW OFFICE, in Wildomar,CA. I used to live nearby it.

[@jhgeorg]

This system was conceived around the time I was born. In the 70s I served in various HAWK units in Germany, Conventional and I-HAWK, and at Ft. Bliss for training. I was surprised to hear that it was still in service in Spain and now in Ukraine. It might still be around when I'm dead.

[@davidmcleod6032]

Jogged my memory of some project we, 535th Engr CSE, did for the ADA unit on post (Graf) that had me on a missile site with my SEE truck. It was then that it dawned on me that we had a belt of these missile sites running north to south the length of West Germany. Kind of odd how the whole country was rigged for defense in depth yet seemed so normal.

[@thetazva]

Interesting that the Scorpion is a recent armored MRAP vehicle and was not developed until recently and certainly not available when the HAwk was in use. I beleive it was developed sometime in early 2010?

[@davidbarber7487]

As I recall reading in Kelly Johnson's book, an F-117 prototype flew directly over a Hawk battery, who had been told ahead of time exactly where it would be coming from, and they never saw a thing.

[@pseudonym745]

Who thinks there's nothing as beautiful as the the old control panels press 👍

[@SmashedGlass]

When I got to Ft. Bliss in 92, the Hawk batteries and M163 Vulcans were already mothballed and stored in lots, oddly enough, just behind base housing.

[@mamurshed1]

When Iraq invaded Kuwait this system shut down around 30 fighters in less than 4 hours that was used by Kuwaiti

[@RT-mm8rq]

I had a co worker tell me that when he was in the Army he witnessed a HAWK missile malfunction at launch. Apparently the missles rocket motor malfunctioned and it hit the ocean, skipping or just touched the surface of the water. The motor reignited and still managed to hit the target drone.

[@AlexT74]

Use some dark music. And not too loud please. Very distracting.

[@mrdan2898]

These SAM's are still in use? Impressive!

[@sebdu1290]

In 1987 on Tchad, a French Hawk destroy a Lybian Tu-22 too.

[@johnnoe2507]

The music in this video was hilarious.

[@USApatriotLarry]

I worked on the project for Northrop in the 80's. I had no idea that the system was still in existence. The MRAP crap made me doubt your video.

[@tstahler5420]

I built the model of a Hawk battery when I was a kid.

[@dhtango]

We were the first to get improved hawk. D/6/52nd. Werthiem Germany. 1973.

[@BrownstoneKingcom]

The Hawk was very successful during the Yom Kippur war, of 1973. It took down several Egyptian aircrafts include more than a few helicopters. The Egyptian were planing on sending more than twenty commando platoons with helicopters at the start of the war, deep into the Israeli hold area of the Sinai desert, with intention to block reinforcement coming towards the Suez Canal. Almost all of the helicopters were shot down, many by the Hawk, and the Egyptian plan was foiled.

[@babeshep]

What the heck people! From 7:30 to 8:00 you throw in an MRAP from today for no reason? Are you even paying attention to what you're publishing?

[@cornstarch6955]

Maybe it was a mini troll to boost comments.

[@Atropos-Lachesis]

Seems a bit slow. I wonder what the ceiling limit is.

[@flyinbiker2001]

The Russians flew the Mig 31s over Israel to tease the HAWK units , the Migs were in range but high and very fast

[@joshua891]

Those aren't MWRAP's in this video. MWRAP's were taller with a troop capacity of 6-8 soldiers. I drove those in Afghanistan. What they're showing here is updated version of the Cougar that came out after.

[@nk_3332]

Turkish HAWks also shot down SCUDs during the gulf war. The Aerojet motor was replaced by another Aerojet motor.

[@TokinMystic12]

I appreciate the 007/Austin Powers music in this one . 🤙👍

[@mattthemouse1]

HAWK is the most badass missile name. EVER

[@Fraser-369]

My dad was US Army MP K9 who guarded Hawk batteries for a while, then Nike sites

[@technoverse101]

Beautiful

[@adambater2767]

Gotta love our country spend billions on developing a weapon system and turn around and then sell it to other countries👍🏻🤔🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻

[@Bitt3rh0lz]

SO this is where trhey got the look for STARK tech's "Jericho" missile from!

[@brianv1988]

Wasn't the Patriot missile system the replacement of the hawk missile system

[@dough7612]

It's too bad the USS Liberty didn't have these when they were attacked...

[@doubleshotgun02]

They didn't ask me or probably any other tax payer if it was ok to give that shit away to Ukraine. Shits getting old.

[@sined9000]

I was an IHAWK Firing Section Mechnic (24C) from 1977-1982.

[@davidjones5269]

I was a 24c20 in Bad Kissingen German 77 -80.

[@sined9000]

​@@davidjones5269 I was assigned to A Battery, 3/7 ADA Schweinfurt. Late 1978 - 1980

[@sined9000]

So was I. David Jones from Alabama?

[@MrLobstermeat]

Range of 60 meters! nice!

[@gregniel]

A million dollar missile to destroy an $800 toy. . . . . . the returns on war are ridiculous. . . . what a great racket.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Cope. The stuff being protected is worth more than a million. Also, Shaheds are 250,000-350,000 USD. Russian domestic production lowered the cost to 140,000 USD equivalent.

[@brianv1988]

Did you know the hawk missile was actually used in Iron Man movie they called it the Jericho

[@_Coffee4Closers]

WYF... What was all that about the MRAP? I think someone edited the wrong clip into this video. The MRAP did not even exist with the HAWK was in service.

[@MichaelR58]

24J20 here ,76 - 79 Germany thanks for sharing YAH bless !

[@Zyndstoff]

Minute 4:15 - clearly a NIKE Hercules, not a Hawk

[@budmenzo]

The MRAP was not around when the HAWK was in use.

[@abhishekdas8026]

Looks like this inspired the GI Joe SMS/ Cobra HMS.

[@johndyson4109]

Lasers are the next step..

[@SamAhrens-jr7rd]

Why u mixed 80's stuff and just go straight to MRAPS? WTF

[@Scott-j8m]

It never surprises how many acronyms the military can come up with… 😝🙄

[@AwakenedOne-qu]

I wish I could go back in time and prevent the the development of the transistor.

[@leestewart72]

Using a hawk to shoot down a fairly cheap drone seems a bit overkill.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

It's not cheap. Iran was asking 350k for small orders and 250k for bulk orders. Iran did not give Russians a freebie, they profited massively off Shaheds.

[@Vinolatra]

sound track is bad and distracting. Too bad, I like your videos and script.

[@sorryociffer]

A missile you hardly ever hear anything about…

[@The_Darn_Cat]

They're pretty good in the 'Wargame' franchise, but they take a lot of supply cost in the game. ☕🐝🇺🇸

[@pjotrtje0NL]

Because they’re obsolete now.

[@erbol0011]

​@@The_Darn_Cat😅

[@ronaldb4885]

@@pjotrtje0NL The entire system may be obsolete, but the missiles and launchers are still in active service by a dozen or so countries, and seeing combat service in Ukraine. Obsolete, perhaps. Still effective (enough) in 2024? Yes.

[@mikemcnamara3777]

MRAPs had nothing to do with HAWK.

[@thiefsleef6752]

Bro hasn’t heard of Soviet SEAD planes

[@MostlyPennyCat]

Thankfully neither have the Russians.

[@thiefsleef6752]

@@MostlyPennyCat Soviets made their first SEAD plane in the 1960s

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@thiefsleef6752 Has it ever worked?

[@switzerland3696]

A hawk shooting down a drone, there is likely a 10-100:1 cost ratio there.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

1:1. Outdated missile bought decades ago vs 250k/350k Shahed.