The Nord Stream Bombing: Jeremy Scahill on Why U.S. Remains Most Likely Culprit in Pipeline Sabotage

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Жыл бұрын

Questions continue to swirl about how Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 were damaged last year, with U.S. officials maintaining they had no role in the sabotage of the pair of Russian pipelines supplying natural gas to Europe. Journalist Jeremy Scahill, senior correspondent for The Intercept, says the Biden administration remains the most obvious suspect, even as new reporting in the U.S. and Europe has suggested possible alternatives.
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@artstrology
@artstrology Жыл бұрын
Repeal the Patriot Act. The executive branch must be trimmed.
@user-ti3vp9mt3z
@user-ti3vp9mt3z Жыл бұрын
And the secret police state, aka DHS
@richarddow69
@richarddow69 Жыл бұрын
100% agree.
@bbirda1287
@bbirda1287 Жыл бұрын
Because Congress and the SC are doing such a great job?
@hypothebai4634
@hypothebai4634 Жыл бұрын
@@user-ti3vp9mt3z And the CIA. In fact repeal the 1947 National Security Act!
@hypothebai4634
@hypothebai4634 Жыл бұрын
@@bbirda1287 No, because we want our republic back.
@WhatLegendsAreMadeOf
@WhatLegendsAreMadeOf Жыл бұрын
Recent News: Russia brings down US Drone - World goes nuts! US brings down Chinese Spy Balloon - Yayyy US Blows up pipeline feeding Europe gas - crickets
@queenredspecial
@queenredspecial Жыл бұрын
100%
@christianpetersen163
@christianpetersen163 Жыл бұрын
Correction: US blows up the pipeline that's feeding the russian oligarchs and cucking Europe. I will sooner be a frozen corpse than see my country trade with Russia again.
@preposterous23
@preposterous23 Жыл бұрын
Call out your own government for it's hypocrisy. your labeled a traitor.
@thomasholt63
@thomasholt63 Жыл бұрын
😂 and it's true for sure
@freedomlife3623
@freedomlife3623 Жыл бұрын
Well, the Chinese Ballon is in US soil, the US drone is in open space. So get your information correct.
@EWA8755
@EWA8755 Жыл бұрын
US: We are going to END the Nord Stream Pipelines. Sep 2022: Pipelines ended. US: Russia did it. Nevermind, Ukraine did it. We don't need no stinking investigation.
@16252
@16252 Жыл бұрын
Seymour Hersh only claimed one source, who happened to be omniscient. Just saying.
@EWA8755
@EWA8755 Жыл бұрын
What does Sy Hersh's article have to do with what senior government officials said about ending Nord Stream?
@Kalumbatsch
@Kalumbatsch Жыл бұрын
Yeah sure. First you announce your super secret plan to the world, then you wait several months until it doesn't even make sense anymore, then you leave one of the pipes intact. Sure. Sounds legit.
@ketelin4285
@ketelin4285 Жыл бұрын
@@16252 There is another whistleblower , from the Baltops exercises . He spoke soon after the explosions to JMD
@RCaugh
@RCaugh Жыл бұрын
The US motive and the reason for this war was to take over the sale of natural gas to Europe from Russia which they have done and at 4 times the price. I prefer to believe the idiot who literally promised he’d do it.. Biden.
@ejiroubas3920
@ejiroubas3920 Жыл бұрын
Again....this is a crime where the chief suspect and the one with the most motive called for the crime to be done before it was carried out and CELEBRATED after the crime and openly said the crime was a "tremendous opportunity." There shouldn't really be doubt or confusion about this.
@BoqPrecision
@BoqPrecision Жыл бұрын
Nuremberg trials vs this just teaches the savvy: The only thing that generates and sustains reality is POWER. They are powerful enough to compartmentalize and confuse, but for how long. How much will Americans like you suffer when it gets to that point (2025ish by my guesstimate).
@christophercousins184
@christophercousins184 Жыл бұрын
What is the US motive for bombing Nordstream 2? I'm not saying the US did not do it, but frankly it doesn't make sense that they would do it either. I'm not saying Russia did it, either, but there economic motives for them to have done it. The one that makes least sense is that this was a Ukrainian Op as the risk to their support from The West would be blown apart if they were exposed.
@RCaugh
@RCaugh Жыл бұрын
@@christophercousins184 The US motive was to take over the sale of natural gas to Europe from Russia which they have done and at 4 times the price. I prefer to believe the idiot who literally promised he’d do it.. Biden.
@harryflashman4542
@harryflashman4542 Жыл бұрын
@@christophercousins184 Neither did it make sense for America to attack Iraq over World Trade Center attack carried out by Osama Bin Laden terrorists. But they did. Placed in historical context it makes perfect sense. The entire point is to punch someone, anyone, when the US administration is losing.
@Tonik-13
@Tonik-13 Жыл бұрын
@@christophercousins184 The United States itself has voiced these motives many times and it was the United States that sabotaged and hindered the implementation of this project in every possible way. The United States imposed sanctions on all contractors and builders who participated in the construction. Therefore, Russia completed the gas pipeline alone. The US has announced that any insurance company that insures the pipeline will automatically be penalized. The first reason is to tear off and divide Europe and Russia, it is done. The second reason is to deprive Russia of income for the sake of weakening Russia. The third reason is that now the United States sells its own gas to Europe and makes good money on it, that is, they got rid of a competitor in such a dirty way. The fourth reason is the weakening of Europe as an economic competitor... The biggest stupidity that can be heard is that Russia had motives and even more so it was beneficial to Russia...
@37Dionysos
@37Dionysos Жыл бұрын
Imagine if America suffered a blow like that against Russia/Germany/Europe's pipeline, and then America was told that they had no right to investigate? (Yes, US/Nato intend to exclude Russia on that.) Am 68 and America's ignorance, greed, arrogance and stupidity have never seemed worse. Consider the US since 1950s, that's saying a lot.
@Ok_yes_its_me
@Ok_yes_its_me Жыл бұрын
Russia can do all the investigation they want. They are just not part of the already existing one and neither is America.
@kp6215
@kp6215 Жыл бұрын
I am 72 remember everything what the politics since 1960. Info junkie
@agffans5725
@agffans5725 Жыл бұрын
It happened in the waters that are under jurisdiction and monitored by Sweden and Denmark only. So long as the 3 separate investigations by Sweden, Denmark and Germany are still ongoing, the Prosecution Authorities are not able to comment on the progress, and an independent investigation by the UN would require a mandate from a UN legislative body, which they do not have, and this you can not blame neither Sweden or Denmark for. The USA are not involved in any kind of investigation and neither is Russia because they are among the suspects.
@37Dionysos
@37Dionysos Жыл бұрын
@@agffans5725 Yeah and so far the US says it was probably a little yacht full of unknown rogues carrying a ton of explosives and 2 diving decompression chambers. All those EU countries mostly function as US vassals and Sweden's investigation is done, why stay silent with findings? Why isn't Germany complaining about the US (most likely) attack? Don't worry, the truth will out sooner than later. Nato is finished, thank God.
@nilesbutler8638
@nilesbutler8638 Жыл бұрын
@@agffans5725 But at least for now sweden - who also removed a lot of evidence from the blast site on their first diving visit - refuses to cooperate with the authorities in germany and denmark. Both governements asked to get access to the investigation officially and where flatly turned down for reasons of "national security". We´ll see how that goes on, but imagine one police authority packing up scores of evidence and then refuse any other involved groups to see them or share its findings. Its sus af.
@nokandu5684
@nokandu5684 Жыл бұрын
Criminals posing as leaders..
@NinjaGrrrl7734
@NinjaGrrrl7734 Жыл бұрын
This is new how? Every last God damned one of them has been. Full stop.
@nokandu5684
@nokandu5684 Жыл бұрын
@@NinjaGrrrl7734 What's new is, now we are attacking our ALLIES..blowing up their infrastructure.
@rogerburn5132
@rogerburn5132 Жыл бұрын
You mean Gangsters Not leaders. 😮😮😮
@grassroot011
@grassroot011 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, and considering how,, they were promoted, paced and propped up into office, is it any wonder? Not at all.!!
@1946dms
@1946dms Жыл бұрын
I hope the same level of scrutiny is given to the American version of' 'Who Blew Up the Pipeline" as being given to the report by Seymour Hersh. It might be of interest to readers to view a video of Biden saying "if Russia invades Ukraine there will be no Nordstream 2 pipeline". What more is needed to know that America was involved with the bombing?
@gitteholmen8156
@gitteholmen8156 Жыл бұрын
Far out gaslighting - they desparately tried but of cause it does not work
@raypurchase801
@raypurchase801 Жыл бұрын
Biden doesn't remember saying that. Biden doesn't remember how to put on his trousers without the assistance of two nurses.
@TheGamingMotionTGM
@TheGamingMotionTGM Жыл бұрын
It's like Biden's word had become "how is he so confident that its going to happen". When it did, eyeballs are on US like "how do you know so much".
@jk21nola91
@jk21nola91 Жыл бұрын
His reckless big mouth gave away…
@L1m3r
@L1m3r Жыл бұрын
Where's the source/video/audio? Please link to it. Don't force everyone who's actually trying to follow up on your statement to waste time searching it (1 search vs. N searches).
@fogbullit1000
@fogbullit1000 Жыл бұрын
Out of Russia and USA which one is trespassing on the wrong side of the planet again ?
@ghandb
@ghandb Жыл бұрын
Yep. 'Muricah! Always.
@gregmark1688
@gregmark1688 Жыл бұрын
Ask a Native American that question and the answer gets even worse
@yummytummy88
@yummytummy88 Жыл бұрын
Just follow the money. It's not even hard to connect the dots on "who done it"
@MFK1967
@MFK1967 Жыл бұрын
Any number of possibilities… Probably not Russia
@agffans5725
@agffans5725 Жыл бұрын
Considering that the Russian Nord Stream 1 and 2 blew up on the exact same day Norway's new gas pipeline to Poland was opened and went online, Poland should probably be the prime suspect, no longer being in need of Russian gas and knowing how Poland hate Russia and how little they also care about Germany due to past history, but strangely they are not even being mentioned as a suspect at all.
@PeterFranks-ls5qw
@PeterFranks-ls5qw Жыл бұрын
united states is getting 4 times as much for its oil from its nato allies nice friend that states is
@dennismiller5725
@dennismiller5725 Жыл бұрын
From a monetary standpoint, why would Russia destroy its own pipeline?
@hentaisenpai3534
@hentaisenpai3534 Жыл бұрын
NS1 and 2 didn't work anyways, Germany stopped NS2 and russia stopped NS1, Europe tried to cut gas dependency itself, so US didn't really need this diversion. On the other hand Russia wanted to teach Europe a lesson but they would need to pay for contract breach, and if US blew NS then Russia doesn't need to pay and can get insurance, It's deeper than you think.
@NinjaGrrrl7734
@NinjaGrrrl7734 Жыл бұрын
​@@hentaisenpai3534 dude I could drive a truck through the holes in your logic. I beg you, read history.
@cerenaseawell5753
@cerenaseawell5753 Жыл бұрын
@@bukem203 Do you destroy your kitchen sink when going on vacation?
@roberto-ey8ii
@roberto-ey8ii Жыл бұрын
​@@hentaisenpai3534 Why is Russia pushing for an investigation and the US is not?
@headlessfool7050
@headlessfool7050 Жыл бұрын
Underrated question really . For Russia to stop delivering Gas had it been puring through NS2 at the time, all they needed to do is close supply on their side .
@romeo03ca
@romeo03ca Жыл бұрын
Even Putin called it “nonsense” that a small boat with a team that doesn’t have any means to carry out a deep dive that required sophisticated equipment could carry out that attack.
@frankyboy1131
@frankyboy1131 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, sure. If PooTin says so, it must be irrefutably true. We all know that this man has never lied to anyone. As true as the earth is flat. And no American has ever been on the moon. I swear!
@remixsparten98
@remixsparten98 Жыл бұрын
Well Putin says a lot of things, like any being of power. Much like, he also said, "Kyiv will fall within 72 hours", and "We won't occupy Ukraine". People also thought Ukraine would never be able to strike the Crimean bridge. Regardless, the truth is, that the pipeline was 262 feet. The deepest open circuit dive was 1,090 ft. Open circuit regulators cost from $200 - $5,000, that being said, anyone and their mother with sufficient understanding of how and where to dive coupled with enough powdered aluminum could of pulled this sabotage off. People scapegoat the US because they can't explain it, and speculating the motives and the means isn't sufficient evidence either, not that it has ever stopped anyone. But you do you.
@Spock105
@Spock105 Жыл бұрын
@@remixsparten98 The US is the prime suspect to have carried this out , or helped to carry it out . My take on this , a submarine . And let's face it , since the 50's , it is the US that created the most wars or showed up somewhere on the planet even if necessary with false information before the UN council of weapons of mass destruction . If there are no wars for the US , the weaponindustry falls flat on its belly . Hell , yeah , maybe they can arm all schoolteachers in order to prevent all those killings at the schools . You just have to wonder who makes money on this or any other war , or who benifits with the blowup of this pipeline : the US because now they deliver gas to Europe but 4x the price payed in the US .
@xenostim
@xenostim Жыл бұрын
@@remixsparten98 the argument mentioned against the small boat theory isn't regarding the price of diving, its how much equipment would need to be brought with them and how much space that would require. Either a diving bell w/ a tether to surface support (ie saturation diving), or a bunch of bottles of air/gas mix. The point was that it takes a lot of time to decompress after going to the bottom, and that requires a lot of air tanks or a sat diving setup. A regulator is just the part that attaches to your mouth, and they if they were trying to save space they would probably use rebreathers. I'm not commenting on if who dunnit bc it's still a whodunnit imo. We just have suspects, some better than others.
@whiskeykilmer1866
@whiskeykilmer1866 Жыл бұрын
@@remixsparten98 You come off as an ignorant tool.
@bethoughtprovoking
@bethoughtprovoking Жыл бұрын
The U.S.’s denying of culpability is a lesson in gaslighting.
@rodniegsm1575
@rodniegsm1575 Жыл бұрын
The United States has always been against the pipeline. Always. Wy would they let an upprtunaty go by to sabotage the pipeline when the uppertunaty precent itself
@hadronoftheseus8829
@hadronoftheseus8829 Жыл бұрын
You don't know what gaslighting is, and you certainly don't know what evidence is.
@awpetersen5909
@awpetersen5909 Жыл бұрын
The thing is, there is no evidence! So as for now, we don' t know anything.
@sweetpea1662
@sweetpea1662 Жыл бұрын
It is so amazing to me that my family can't see what is SO obvious! They still think Russia blew up their own pipeline!
@hadronoftheseus8829
@hadronoftheseus8829 Жыл бұрын
@@sweetpea1662 That's because your family are more intelligent than you. It's not obvious at all and there exactly zero evidence for Hersh's story, but conclusive evidence against its specifics.
@mikepravica2140
@mikepravica2140 Жыл бұрын
All Russia had to do is shut off the taps which it did. There is absolutely no logical reason why Russia would blow up its own pipeline.
@tinetannies4637
@tinetannies4637 Жыл бұрын
In 2006, Russia blew up its own gas and electrical supply lines to Georgia right in the middle of a particularly cold winter. So, yes, Russia has done this sort of thing before.
@benjurqunov
@benjurqunov Жыл бұрын
They can also cry "we're victims" to the fools who trust whatever they say. Thus gaining justification to attack someone in retaliation.
@deshazo_henry
@deshazo_henry Жыл бұрын
Of course you don't want to give Scott Ritter any credit for debunking this nonsense story because if you do that you might have to give him credit for some of the other stuff he's been saying about this war from the beginning.
@GrimLocke161
@GrimLocke161 Жыл бұрын
Oh, what was Scott Ritter twice convicted for, Vatnik?
@hentaisenpai3534
@hentaisenpai3534 Жыл бұрын
@@GrimLocke161 he loves little gurls
@herbertdarick7693
@herbertdarick7693 Жыл бұрын
​@@GrimLocke161 what does that have to do with Ritter's judgment in military affairs? Nothing! So if you want to discredit him, next time be spot on!
@NinjaGrrrl7734
@NinjaGrrrl7734 Жыл бұрын
​@@herbertdarick7693 I don't trust the moral code of a pedophile. It is absolutely related.
@GrimLocke161
@GrimLocke161 Жыл бұрын
@@hentaisenpai3534 I’m not sure what gender he was after, but it was definitely minors. 😏
@maltlickymalitia4809
@maltlickymalitia4809 Жыл бұрын
Biden actually said “we have ways of putting an end to it” Democracy Now is so far behind it’s embarrassing.
@ivanvaclavu5044
@ivanvaclavu5044 Жыл бұрын
Ok, but what is your interpretation of these words?
@ivanvaclavu5044
@ivanvaclavu5044 Жыл бұрын
@@classwarnow8987 Thanks. I have the same opinion. I guess I mistranslated the addendum "Democracy Now is so far behind it's embarrassing", so it wasn't clear to me what it meant.
@RCaugh
@RCaugh Жыл бұрын
The US motive to blow it and the real reason behind this war was to take over the sale of natural gas to Europe from Russia which they have done and at 4 times the price. I prefer to believe the idiot who literally promised he’d do it.. Biden.
@geoffas
@geoffas Жыл бұрын
The are a commie outlet, maybe this influences their outlook? Just sayin'
@jackwillmore2319
@jackwillmore2319 Жыл бұрын
Biden, kept his promise that we have ways of putting an end to it, and he did --- through diplomatic and economic and security pressures with our major allies in NATO. NOWHERE DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE for the US to act unilaterally in Europe's backyard to destroy a domestic asset owned by one of our largest allies against their interests. NOWHERE ! It was totally uneccesary for the US to do it, any state or non-state actor in Europe could have done it and Putin has just as many reasons as anyone else. People just don't understand the diplomatic calculus. Imagine that the German government got caught kidapping American citizens ? After being caught the Germans just shrugged and said, OK you caught us but we promise not to do it again ? ! We still friends ? Now imagine the same scenario where the life's blood for the German economy , a 10 billion dollar engineering project, mostly privately held, is blown up secretly by Americans and when we get caught our answer will be ? OK , you caught us we promise to do it again, We still friends ? ! Way too many people are not thinking very deeply and when I listen to Seymour Hersh I hear a man filled with rambling non-sequiters and a man desperately trying to stay relevant in modern news times. Single source anonymous my azz.
@livingdunningkrugereffect2478
@livingdunningkrugereffect2478 Жыл бұрын
Jeremy, Seymour Hersch has never said that he only had ONE source. You imagined that. Seymour knows how to protect his source(s). One way to do that is by not revealing how many sources he has.
@partigiana
@partigiana Жыл бұрын
tbf to jeremy it's not just him who said hersh had one source, but yeah, the media seems to be conflating "anonymous source" with "one source."
@Ok_yes_its_me
@Ok_yes_its_me Жыл бұрын
The problem is Hersch didn't produce any actual evidence. It was all talk.
@livingdunningkrugereffect2478
@livingdunningkrugereffect2478 Жыл бұрын
@@Ok_yes_its_me do you think that the six guys and a boat story is more plausible?
@Kalumbatsch
@Kalumbatsch Жыл бұрын
@@livingdunningkrugereffect2478 It's at least possible, while Hersh's nonsense story has been conclusively debunked.
@tofailahmed6723
@tofailahmed6723 Жыл бұрын
@@Kalumbatsch where is that? can I read these arguments that debunk Hersh's story? or what are the flaws in his story?
@markmaurer6370
@markmaurer6370 Жыл бұрын
The notion that independent organizations could muster the equipment and expertise and amount of explosives to pull off the destruction of the nordstream is insane.
@joew8438
@joew8438 Жыл бұрын
Not really. The pipeline was in fairly shallow water and would have required a fairly small explosive as well. A PADI certified tourist in a rental boat could have done this. It does seem like the US is most likely, because we are in the best place to benefit from economically crippling Russia and making our sanctions more effective as well. However, the EU would obviously be hurt by cutting off their trade with Russia, so the best way to get it done would be clandestine.
@hentaisenpai3534
@hentaisenpai3534 Жыл бұрын
@@joew8438 NS1 and 2 didn't work at that time, Germany stopped NS2 sertification and russia stopped NS1, Europe tried to cut itself from russian gas dependency anyways
@torrokasparov2210
@torrokasparov2210 Жыл бұрын
@@joew8438 Utter trash !!
@petestanton1945
@petestanton1945 Жыл бұрын
That would be like opiumfarmers suddenly becoming trick jumbojet pilots bc they went to flightschool.
@MFK1967
@MFK1967 Жыл бұрын
Really? Are you an expert on nautical explosives in military operations of the sort?
@bristolsonic
@bristolsonic Жыл бұрын
The story about a pro-ukrainian group taking out the pipelines is the intelligence agencies equivalent of the dog ate my homework.
@galshaine2018
@galshaine2018 Жыл бұрын
Or the equivalent (known from Mafia movies and TV series ) of "2 Black guys did it".
@chrisbova9686
@chrisbova9686 Жыл бұрын
rhe US IS pro Ukranian... unless you know whats gonna happen because we encouraged and supported their independence (gonna end bad or Ukraine) from Russia, which , if you are not too stupid, would be the same as Russia helping TEXAS succeed from the US.
@hkiani6853
@hkiani6853 Жыл бұрын
Correct. No one in a right frame of mind would or should believe any information out of USA establishment and their Fake propaganda News machine.
@obxarms7685
@obxarms7685 Жыл бұрын
Putin did it himself on a surfboard with a snorkel.....he just hates freedom that way.
@MrBuzben
@MrBuzben Жыл бұрын
Whats going on Democracy Now telling the truth for a change? There late and bought.
@ralphmcmahan2139
@ralphmcmahan2139 Жыл бұрын
Both Victoria and Joe said it would happen, then it happened.
@PeterFranks-ls5qw
@PeterFranks-ls5qw Жыл бұрын
victoria nuland is a brainless war monger charge her
@ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e
@ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e Жыл бұрын
Would be pretty par for the course for the way the US has historically done things honestly.
@hentaisenpai3534
@hentaisenpai3534 Жыл бұрын
Russia is the same, actually much worse, US didn't annex Iraq and didn't proclaimed Iraq american territory
@Mephitinae
@Mephitinae Жыл бұрын
@@hentaisenpai3534 Why would they? They only needed to gain control of the The Iraq National Oil Company
@hentaisenpai3534
@hentaisenpai3534 Жыл бұрын
@@Mephitinae and then they left Iraq and its national oil company alone, something russia would never do
@NinjaGrrrl7734
@NinjaGrrrl7734 Жыл бұрын
​@@hentaisenpai3534 because that wasn't in their best interest at that time. Apples are not oranges. Russia is not the USA. This stuff ain't Legos.
@lozoft9
@lozoft9 Жыл бұрын
It would also be par for the course for the Russian Federation to jeopardize economic ties in order to achieve geopolitical goals. Ultimately though, it's the Ukrainians who have the most to gain, both during and after the war. Even if it would destabilize NATO, Russia would lose the revenue; and even if it reduced dependence on Russian fossil imports, the US's energy prices would skyrocket (and have skyrocketed) which is a domestic political liability. The Ukrainians are the only ones desperate enough to attempt something like this and it's likely that the US is covering for them after the fact, that they found it easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
@heliosmou
@heliosmou Жыл бұрын
The narrative about the “yacht” and the small team: Medic (“tiny woman”) and 7 men is completely absurd. Paid to be dumb and lie.
@nunoa.fernandes6541
@nunoa.fernandes6541 Жыл бұрын
“We don’t even need to cite SCOTT RITTER on this!” Ha ha ha! Thank you DN for directing us to Scott’s article! You regained some credibility with me!
@richarddow69
@richarddow69 Жыл бұрын
👍🏻
@browngreen933
@browngreen933 Жыл бұрын
He said that because Ritter is a Russian agent.
@nunoa.fernandes6541
@nunoa.fernandes6541 Жыл бұрын
@@browngreen933 you’re a CIA agent
@likuidmethod
@likuidmethod Жыл бұрын
Wrong, he’s a Russia expert
@Ok_yes_its_me
@Ok_yes_its_me Жыл бұрын
Scott Ritter is a convicted sex offender with no remorse. Look it up.
@elpompo5166
@elpompo5166 Жыл бұрын
We have a saying in my country that says: the bird is known by the way it shits. Washington is historically used to doing things like this.
@gregmark1688
@gregmark1688 Жыл бұрын
This behavior actually predates the establishment of the city of Washington. The leopard does not change its spots.
@jasonbean2764
@jasonbean2764 Жыл бұрын
This guy is so dedicated to giving us the truth. Admirable.
@saltlight5912
@saltlight5912 Жыл бұрын
SeyHersch 👍
@kappa82
@kappa82 Жыл бұрын
Wtv chairman mao & tzar tell him to say…quoting Scott Ritter 😂😂😂
@user-ti3vp9mt3z
@user-ti3vp9mt3z Жыл бұрын
He knows his stuff and is very cogent.
@kappa82
@kappa82 Жыл бұрын
@@user-ti3vp9mt3z for sure the us prob did it, just not naive as the rest of u guys Thinking that ur better of with Russia or china dictating everything He’d be in jail
@dipthongthathongthongthong9691
@dipthongthathongthongthong9691 Жыл бұрын
@@kappa82 found the neocon warmonger masquerading as a conscious "liberal"
@guillermogd4173
@guillermogd4173 Жыл бұрын
Pls, try to free Julián Assange
@grassroot011
@grassroot011 Жыл бұрын
What? and allow and enable truth telling? Horrors !!
@jackwody7774
@jackwody7774 Жыл бұрын
Not discussed is the great difficulty in locating the pipeline in complete darkness at 240 feet down. The dive time is necessarily short at these great depths and requires sophisticated air mixtures plus the decompression chambers as mentioned. This could only have been carried out with high tech support and a bigger ship with bottom scanning technology.
@jonathanikeda8727
@jonathanikeda8727 Жыл бұрын
The mission is very dangerous, suicidal and impossible to operate. I know that US only can do that. Very terrifying.
@johnwhite626
@johnwhite626 Жыл бұрын
I disagree with you. I dived in my younger days and this is more than possible to achieve provided you could get a supplier for military grade explosives and timer devices aided by a few fishing vessels and a team of 10 to 12 qualified sports divers. There is not "great difficulty" in locating any pipeline at a depth of 100 ft or even 240 ft given the exact coordinates of all pipelines can be easily obtained.
@johnwhite626
@johnwhite626 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanikeda8727 I totally disagree with you. I dived in my younger days and this is more than possible to achieve provided you could get a supplier for military grade explosives and timer devices aided by a few fishing vessels.
@meurigdavies8080
@meurigdavies8080 Жыл бұрын
@@johnwhite626 Where did they put the decompression tanks + the cylinders of nitrogen, oxygen + helium?
@johnwhite626
@johnwhite626 Жыл бұрын
@@meurigdavies8080 It all depends on the depth you dived to and the "bottom time" spent at "that depth" as to whether or not you actually need to decompress. We would decompress (if required) on the shot line attached to the dive boat and/or to the wreck where we would have cylinders attached at certain depth(s) to attach ourselves to for perhaps about for 20 minutes or 40 minutes or whatever time was required to safely decompress. The gas pipelines were said to be at approx 100 depth and this would have been a easy job for a team of 10 to 12 sports divers let along military trained divers who are essentially ordnance disposal experts with easy access to explosives and timers etc. Its not a over complicated operation to safely achieve the outcome and to destroy gas pipelines at these depths.
@cheeseandonions9558
@cheeseandonions9558 Жыл бұрын
1 hour before the explosion happened, a NATO spy plane was send to Poland just doing circles for 2 hours... Then the plane flew towards the place of the explosion and flew back to its base in Norway.
@saitama101
@saitama101 Жыл бұрын
Did Greenpease speak up on the Nords Stream Environmental 🤔 disaster sponsor by US .
@gary7vn
@gary7vn Жыл бұрын
Not a word. Greta too.
@morongosteve
@morongosteve Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jeremy.
@Jacke7111
@Jacke7111 Жыл бұрын
Hmm, there was a incident making headlines all over the world about Chinese balloons at the same time Hersh released his publication🤔 Coincidence?
@fonce9965
@fonce9965 Жыл бұрын
I once peer-reviewed an explosive underwater drone called a BloodFish that could take out a Destroyer, Battleship, or Aircraft carrier. Never even thought about pipelines?
@thomasholt63
@thomasholt63 Жыл бұрын
Technology is HELL
@M0butu
@M0butu Жыл бұрын
Sure, but wouldn't there be leftover wreckage?
@benjurqunov
@benjurqunov Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't even need a drone. That water is shallow. The target is miles long and route is pretty accurately mapped for anyone to see. Simply lower a bigazz bomb, the drag it until its magnetic sensors show it's on target. So easy, any Fishing Captian could do it.
@gregmark1688
@gregmark1688 Жыл бұрын
@@benjurqunov But they would use an underwater drone, because they have them, and they always want to play with their newest toys first.
@rickwilliams9350
@rickwilliams9350 Жыл бұрын
Jeremy Scahill and Seymour Hurst are both great Americans and truth telling journalists. Thanks for having them on and thanks for all you do on Democracy Now. Rick WA state, USA❤
@tomastorres8879
@tomastorres8879 Жыл бұрын
Good to see Jeremy Scahill again, amazing work
@melanieenmats
@melanieenmats Жыл бұрын
This was the first time I ever saw him do fake news. This is very disappointing. He knows damn well Hersh is telling the truth. Here he has lost all credibility. Presenting both stories as equal-ish. Scahill has been bought. He should have left The Intercept when Greenwald did for them being corrupt. Pity. Scahill was on my great Journo's list for 20 years. Now he is in the "bought MSM shills" bin. What a waste.
@brianmetzker5225
@brianmetzker5225 Жыл бұрын
What work. This is ALL wild speculation.
@melanieenmats
@melanieenmats Жыл бұрын
@@brianmetzker5225 What do you mean speculation. We know in detail what happened; what Sy Hersh reported.
@GonzoTehGreat
@GonzoTehGreat Жыл бұрын
@@melanieenmats _"We know in detail what happened; what Sy Hersh reported."_ No, we don't and it was irresponsible of Hersh to publish a report based on a single unknown source.
@melanieenmats
@melanieenmats Жыл бұрын
@@GonzoTehGreat You repeat the MSM "singe source lie". Hersh has a life long stellar record. But you'd rather trust sources that lie to you almost every day. Are you trying to fool yourself or other people here? I honestly struggle to understand. The cover-up stories are just prima facie nonsensical, and Hersh's is entirely logical. The truth here is obvious to any honest observer. So what's your angle? What do you win by spreading this disinformation. You work at Langley? If you don't you deserve to be paid for your work.
@katarinajohansson9121
@katarinajohansson9121 Жыл бұрын
Yes like januari 6 when you dont show all the films from that day
@bejust7759
@bejust7759 Жыл бұрын
Is ICC going to issue a warrant of arrest to the culprit?
@HamidRHariri
@HamidRHariri Жыл бұрын
What do you think?
@Nobody-Nowhere
@Nobody-Nowhere Жыл бұрын
The latest infor does support this, as Russia found the antenna device. Meaning it was detonated remotely, just like Hersh said. Something that would not have been required unless they especially wanted to blow them up on a later date.
@floro7687
@floro7687 Жыл бұрын
Why is Russia bitterly complaining that it has not been given access to the sites yet? If we know anything it is it did not happen like "Hersh said"
@ewancorlis4042
@ewancorlis4042 Жыл бұрын
Havnt you heard of depth charges.Easy peasy for anyone.
@forsalestuff1036
@forsalestuff1036 Жыл бұрын
@ Floro and that other genius above in the comments. How did DN manage to get you two, best experts in underwater detonations all in one show. Incredible. Thank you for your insight.
@floro7687
@floro7687 Жыл бұрын
@@forsalestuff1036 you Come across more condesending than knowledgeable!
@agffans5725
@agffans5725 Жыл бұрын
How exactly did Russia find this antenna device ?, when they are not participating in the investigation and are not allowed anywhere near where it happened, in Swedish and Danish waters.
@Marxist2
@Marxist2 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, to this excellent journalist,; Jeremy Scahill.
@jamesharmon3827
@jamesharmon3827 Жыл бұрын
there is little doubt in my mind who did this...rules be damned, they gonna do whatever they want. They will lie, threaten, punish, arrest, prosecute anyone who defies them. Legitimate or not.
@cs-rj8ru
@cs-rj8ru Жыл бұрын
Isn't that the American Way?
@cdean2789
@cdean2789 Жыл бұрын
Where is the WMD
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 Жыл бұрын
Near time for a squint into the 2014 Maidan, and Nuland's regime-change cookie jar. Might contextualise the situation.
@pet2asadist
@pet2asadist Жыл бұрын
Jeremy Scahill is a good boy.
@greendesertgoddess
@greendesertgoddess Жыл бұрын
Jeremy Scahill, a superb journalist from his reportings on "Drones: Obama's Dirty Wars" and other Geo-Political conflicts . . .
@alxdava2004
@alxdava2004 Жыл бұрын
And biased when it comes to West
@gore1089
@gore1089 Жыл бұрын
Face it The US has been under cabal rule for as long as anyone can remember. Nobody wants to admit it .. because everyone... just let it happen. The elections are a joke and whoever wins is a puppet or soon to be a puppet.and one.. with very little power .. Some like Obama and Clinton put up a fight.. But look how quickly the great white hope Obama faded. caved in almost immediately. It's embarrassing.. Some like Reagan and Bush were never a problem they were always a part of the establishment.. especially Bush. The real unknowns like Trump were a the real problems.. Coming in as a republican and turning out more a lefty than any democrat. That man is hated by everyone.. Left and right. Which means he's a close as you'll get in the greatest country on earth 😅👍
@collinshardyproust
@collinshardyproust Жыл бұрын
“ This video is currently unavailable to watch in your location “. Censorship I guess.
@melanieenmats
@melanieenmats Жыл бұрын
He used to be good yes. But now he is lending credibility to this fake story psy-op. I'm baffled he can even keep a straight face doing this here. Juan was on to it. See Scahill expression when Scott Ritter is mentioned. Image that says a thousand words. Scahill has been corrupted. I was a fan for 20 years but this is obvious.
@billpardew2375
@billpardew2375 Жыл бұрын
@@melanieenmats why you don't like his answers
@abukimar1704
@abukimar1704 Жыл бұрын
This my second video of watching this guy speaking truth and the first video of him lead to the other cause he speaks fact. I my self wanted to accuse America for everything cause it’s disgusting and unbelievable what American is doing. I hope trump gets in office and make a deal with Russia. ❤
@gregmark1688
@gregmark1688 Жыл бұрын
Trump had four years to "make a deal with Russia". All he managed to do was to let Putin screw him repeatedly in the ass like the victim he is.
@Fatfingertunes
@Fatfingertunes Жыл бұрын
I cannot understand why anyone cites the New York Times as a responsible participant in anything? Aren't those days long gone?
@cheri238
@cheri238 Жыл бұрын
Jeremy has been a great independent journalist for years. Thank you, Democracy Now with Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez and team. (Keeping it true.)
@kingsley476
@kingsley476 Жыл бұрын
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@Mambacop Жыл бұрын
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@franksunith Жыл бұрын
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@kingsley476 Жыл бұрын
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@kingsley476 Жыл бұрын
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@loiscokeley9410
@loiscokeley9410 Жыл бұрын
Didn't someone say that the operation was too big and that it had to be state sponsored? Aren't they contradicting themselves?
@martinwhalley3286
@martinwhalley3286 Жыл бұрын
False Flag Operations, our favorite ruse
@grip2617
@grip2617 Жыл бұрын
How could a crime be investigated by a criminal?
@annettemacdonald9192
@annettemacdonald9192 Жыл бұрын
Agree and Schahil didn’t like Ritter getting credit for his take on what happened
@beesplaining1882
@beesplaining1882 Жыл бұрын
We may never know who really blew up the Nordstream pipelines in an act of terrorism. (Psst .... the US did it. )
@antoinedebiran3000
@antoinedebiran3000 Жыл бұрын
The blowing was one thing, but the reaction of Europe is jawdroppjng.
@queenredspecial
@queenredspecial Жыл бұрын
Wow, a credible guest on Democracy Now about this war. About time, though over a year late. Now, invite Scott Ritter.
@Ok_yes_its_me
@Ok_yes_its_me Жыл бұрын
They don't put Ritter on because he's a convicted sex offender. It's not a good look.
@gorantomic7150
@gorantomic7150 Жыл бұрын
Patrick Lancaster, Anna Lauren Bonet, the Duran, Jimmy Dore, Graham Philips, Dreizin rapport, the new Atlas, Gonzalo Lira, Kim Iverson, Jason Hinkle, Emil Cosman, Scott Ritter, redacted, Jeffrey Sacks....
@queenredspecial
@queenredspecial Жыл бұрын
@@gorantomic7150 Pepe Escobar, John Mearsheimer, Roger Waters, The Intercept....
@lexxdz
@lexxdz Жыл бұрын
When good friends destroy your house, at least you know where you stand....In the open .
@karen-qm7og
@karen-qm7og Жыл бұрын
Timestamp 3:02: "The dismissal of Seymour Hersh by so many people is reckless, it also shows a total disregard for the history of American covert operations and it ultimately seeks to silence people who are questioning what I think is quite clearly the top suspect in this international act of terrorism and that is the party that would have the greatest motivation to conduct this attack, and that would be the United States."
@jessicabosco3009
@jessicabosco3009 Жыл бұрын
Met him in Cleveland at speaking engagement and book tour! Critical thinking and a great speaker
@cev12
@cev12 Жыл бұрын
Good, fair commentary. Rather than the always Ukraine-biased stuff we oft hear on Democracy Now.
@cookiecola5852
@cookiecola5852 Жыл бұрын
Its such a shame that some ppl on the left care so much for a pipeline, but doing a massive invasion of another country, well they might care, but not if its done by Russia Iam a European and i really couldnt given less of a fuck who is responsible, but its satisfying to see Russia being given the middle finger once awhile
@patginsd
@patginsd Жыл бұрын
Jeremy Scahill is an excellent journalist. Thank you DN for this interview.
@terrific804
@terrific804 Жыл бұрын
This was never a question in the mind of a reasonable person. Biden said he would destroy it Victoria Nuland said the U.S would destroy it. And Wallah it gets blown up. Now I wonder who could have done that😅
@dogstar8871
@dogstar8871 Жыл бұрын
interesting how Scahill in this "Nord Stream Bombing" interview says, "We don't even need to cite, Scott Ritter..." carefully distancing himself from one of the most outspoken voices countering the NATO/M$M received narrative - why ? especially when Ritter continually points out that the war is really about the US/UK neocon Moscow regime change project, you know Jeremy, that same gang attempting regime change in Syira, about which you written so much
@Ok_yes_its_me
@Ok_yes_its_me Жыл бұрын
The problem with Ritter is that he is a convicted sex offender and tool of the CCP.
@jamesodonnell3636
@jamesodonnell3636 Жыл бұрын
DOG STAR -- Yeah, Jeremy doesn't report about the neocons anymore. Not sure what he does, apparently nothing of consequence. Whatever he's doing for a living, these days (not journalism, surely), it seems to be lucrative enough to get him to muddy the waters about the greatest act of eco-terrorism in human history, so thank Omidyar for that!
@d.thorpe2046
@d.thorpe2046 Жыл бұрын
Jeremy Scahill is always engrossing and well reasoned
@laurenharrington8046
@laurenharrington8046 Жыл бұрын
Btw, the US President and other Politicians had said on the Media, that the Pipeline will goes down under any circumstances!,
@dragonsnightmare6061
@dragonsnightmare6061 Жыл бұрын
Caught off guard their long silence to concoct a response was the ultimate admission of guilt.
@SanoRay
@SanoRay Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much to DN and all distinguished guests for these explanations.
@nicholasboyd-gibbins9763
@nicholasboyd-gibbins9763 Жыл бұрын
So excellent as always
@eyadvc
@eyadvc Жыл бұрын
Finally some fairness to Sy’s reporting and less thinking of people are that gullible
@rhetorical1488
@rhetorical1488 Жыл бұрын
Seymour Hersh is beyond reproach
@janepizalli373
@janepizalli373 Жыл бұрын
Nicely said Jeremy
@kb_100
@kb_100 Жыл бұрын
I wish Jeremy still hosted the Intercepted Podcast
@stregadisalem732
@stregadisalem732 Жыл бұрын
Oh my god! Yes! So do I. Its so disappointing that he just never came back. It’s not the same without him.
@jennyrokeach523
@jennyrokeach523 Жыл бұрын
I was just going to say this, Biden declared that the pipelines would be destroyed.
@hbc511
@hbc511 Жыл бұрын
No debate needed. The public and world knows who did it.🎉
@MegaJohnf1
@MegaJohnf1 Жыл бұрын
Both Zelensky and Blinken called the NS2 a "Threat to Europe's energy security"...
@jonathanash4280
@jonathanash4280 Жыл бұрын
Good to see this important issue is been kept in the public eye by DN and Jeremy Scahill, the mainstream media blackouts is very concerning.
@judithcampbell1705
@judithcampbell1705 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Amy and guest for your excellent report 💛
@HiVizCamo
@HiVizCamo Жыл бұрын
DN finally remembering why they exist. Good reporting folks.
@lenarobinson438
@lenarobinson438 Жыл бұрын
THIS IS A TERRORIST ACT
@MrTerresainte
@MrTerresainte Жыл бұрын
It’s all about Intend, clearly voiced by JB and VN and Cui Bono, only the U.S profits from this act, undoubtedly authorized by JB.
@karlowalker4143
@karlowalker4143 Жыл бұрын
The moto is, keep Russia out, the US in and Germany down.
@roleary9637
@roleary9637 Жыл бұрын
PBS is no longer a reputable sourse of information.
@monkfishkilla
@monkfishkilla Жыл бұрын
That with the decompression is bollocks, there are gas mixes that make it avoidable...
@OneCrazyDanish
@OneCrazyDanish Жыл бұрын
One of the most highly regarded military analysts in Denmark reached the same conclusion as Ritter and the Naval Warfare specialists cited by Scahill. He found the "rented boat" story incredibly unlikely given the sophistication of the operation.
@benjurqunov
@benjurqunov Жыл бұрын
Rented Boat ? That water is shallow. To lower a bomb then drag it onto a huge metallic target is something any Fishing Captian could easily do.
@gary7vn
@gary7vn Жыл бұрын
@@benjurqunov Shallow? Are you okay?
@benjurqunov
@benjurqunov Жыл бұрын
@@gary7vn Anything under 200m is not deep for guys in the business of putting things on the bottom.
@gary7vn
@gary7vn Жыл бұрын
@@benjurqunov It's really deep, unless you want to support the bullshit about some Ukrainian snorkelers. Pretty much everyone except you agrees.
@PACABear
@PACABear Жыл бұрын
Jeremy 's right, this was a sophisticated operation. Imagine - taking 15 minutes to say " I don't know."
@Randy778
@Randy778 Жыл бұрын
One thing is clear: this whole yacht narative is rubbish and they´re explaining it. Andromeda was supposed to be the sacrificial lamb for the kraken Poseidon sent until Perseus came and stoped him with Medusas head. It´s not the obvious culprit and no it´s never gona be revealed who did it.
@mikeknefaty5056
@mikeknefaty5056 Жыл бұрын
Thr President says Nordstream will not operate, the President says 'we can do it", the President said we will stop it, what else do we need to stop doubting we did it. Hersh said that as well.
@martinwhalley3286
@martinwhalley3286 Жыл бұрын
The value of the target is exponentially increased when considering the length of available attack points. Damage÷Ergonomics=Cost effective. An operation spending $1M that destroys the enemies ability to produce $1B in income per/X days.
@HvdHaghen
@HvdHaghen Жыл бұрын
wikipedia : "Björn Lund, Associate Professor in Seismology at The Swedish National Seismic Network said "there is no doubt that these were explosions" at an estimated 100-kilogram (220 lb) TNT equivalent." ? That would be 75 kg RDX *4.
@pattijesinoski1958
@pattijesinoski1958 Жыл бұрын
Condi Rice under Dubya also claimed these pipelines could not operate.
@reggie1871
@reggie1871 Жыл бұрын
What more evidence do you need when the President said on TV we will put an end to it!!!!!
@Jesse-ey5xd
@Jesse-ey5xd Жыл бұрын
Assertions made without evidence can be disregarded without evidence. Bring it.
@cerenaseawell5753
@cerenaseawell5753 Жыл бұрын
Correct. Russia asked for an international investigation. The chihuahuas (Danish, Sweden, German) refused. Do you know why?
@Ok_yes_its_me
@Ok_yes_its_me Жыл бұрын
@@cerenaseawell5753 those countries are carrying out an international investigation. They just don't want Putin in there for obvious reasons.
@gloriouse4458
@gloriouse4458 Жыл бұрын
TO AVOID WWIII SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE ☑️
@johnnyshanksalot8358
@johnnyshanksalot8358 Жыл бұрын
Preventing war by blowing stuff up, what a brain-trust we have here!
@preposterous23
@preposterous23 Жыл бұрын
WW3 still coming whether you wanna believe it or not.
@robbie3333
@robbie3333 Жыл бұрын
Must be tough for Amy hearing pure truth as opposed to spewing her normal daily propaganda.
@Primordial...
@Primordial... Жыл бұрын
Does it not take MORE explosive underwater because of pressure ? Was thinking about that,curious. Also was thinking of latest methods and material, or has it basically stayed the same. I knew one underwater demo seal once,ànd he was in nam he was cool told us all about what they did. Bridges, underwater plastic semtex is same compound now
@gregmark1688
@gregmark1688 Жыл бұрын
Probably takes much less explosive, I would think. Water isn't compressible like air is, so it delivers the full concussive force, while air acts like a shock absorber.
@thuddreau5444
@thuddreau5444 Жыл бұрын
It is also possible that a very patriotic Navy diver participated and like Edward Snowden knew this was terrorism and felt strongly that the country he loved and put his life on the ine for decided to ask a learned scholar that could help him navigate through a perilous storm or perhaps someone high up with a sense of right and wrong
@clydewmorgan
@clydewmorgan Жыл бұрын
So a patriot participated but he’s a terrorist also? I hope you’re smarter than that reads because it reads stupid
@seanahern647
@seanahern647 Жыл бұрын
Good to see Jeremy Scahill back to his old self. Still it doesn't excuse Democracy Now for its own poor work reporting on US regime change
@deathless3518
@deathless3518 Жыл бұрын
If anything Sy is really good at reporting on the obvious on this case
@Proxima928
@Proxima928 Жыл бұрын
I want to ask US citizens do they really want to risk a nuclear wipe of this planet for the sake of ukraine?
@brianfox771
@brianfox771 Жыл бұрын
That's a great precedent to set /s. Maybe the next time the US wants to get its way it just needs to threaten to nuke a country into oblivion; it's not worth the risk of nuclear armageddon to say no, right? But unlike Russia, the US's would actually launch and detonate. Russia's would just sizzle in their silos and make a 'womp-womp' sound.
@chiragmehta8212
@chiragmehta8212 Жыл бұрын
I as American don’t but do they care what I think? Not
@tinetannies4637
@tinetannies4637 Жыл бұрын
No, but this logic basically says to let a nuclear power... any nuclear power... do whatever it wants because of the possible consequences. Is that what you want?
@stoyanvatsev2134
@stoyanvatsev2134 Жыл бұрын
@@tinetannies4637 which the US has been doing for ~ 80 years...
@tinetannies4637
@tinetannies4637 Жыл бұрын
@@stoyanvatsev2134 Yes and no. The US also has an enormous conventional military which, in some ways, is more of a deterrent because it can be credibly used. And yes, the US has also been doing this for many decades, we're in agreement.
@AllenDavidson-rh9fh
@AllenDavidson-rh9fh Жыл бұрын
mixed gas diving would likely allowed short bottom time at this depth. Remotely operated vehicles could have been employed.
@benjurqunov
@benjurqunov Жыл бұрын
Not even ROVs. That's shallow water and a huge metallic target. Simply lower a bigazz bomb then drag it over the target. Any Fishing Vessel could do it.
@huepix
@huepix Жыл бұрын
Wow. Really? Amazing. Never would have guessed it. 🤦🏽‍♂️
@kenleary7484
@kenleary7484 Жыл бұрын
Can we get any USA citizen, anyone who might possibly have had anything to do with the terrorist act, to swear under oath that they had nothing to do with the sabotage. Then we can jail them for lying, unless of course, they are to big to jail.
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