The Office: Jim Sucks | Video Essay

[@W3RNL33]

FINALLY somebody makes a video on this. People just don’t understand that Jim is also really annoying, passive aggressive, and doesn’t admit his mistakes.

[@KatieSteedArt1]

Or admit who he is. Dwight calls Jim a jock... that's what he becomes or wants to be. The whole athlead/p storyline shows just who Jim is and he's horrible.

[@renaldoawes2210]

I think we all know what Jim is. Not to sound condescending but the entire humor of the show is just how awful every character is to some extent. None of them are paragons of society doing amazing things for society. They're lowly people selling... Paper.... lmao. And it's hilarious.

[@blahblahblah9267]

the writing didn't really explore this outside of the brief tenure of charles miner, he was one of the only characters who was able to put him in his place and make the audience feel embarrassed for him. I feel like otherwise the show tries to make jim look "good"

[@Worldsportstalk24]

He’s not really any of those things but ok

[@daphneblake8957]

Remember when Jim felt bad about pranking Dwight because he saved him from Roy but it only lasted a day before he went right back to making fun of him and pranking him again

[@03PaK]

But they were even due to Jim seeing him kiss Angela soo

[@en5799]

@@03PaK omg i forgot that but like he did the exact same thing with Pam that Dwight did to Angela

[@q4ent1n]

Jim was awesome BEFORE he got that haircut. I liked Jim the homeless man better

[@razkable]

season 2 jim is the best jim..hes a loser so hes relateable...he has no power he fails time and time again he has no love motivation or passion....once you take all that away he becomes a flat less relatable character the moment hes assistant manager with pam and then creates his own company with kids..its just not something i can relate to...they should of kept jim a loser a season longer...

[@exars]

@@razkable Are you listening to what you are saying

[@Misfisroblox]

@@razkable tf

[@MasterOfMagnet2099]

What bugs me out the most about Jim is that he comes across disingenuous. He kinda hides who he really is behind sarcasm and becomes really agreeable when backed into a corner.

[@armitanatura7305]

YESSS thank you!

[@razkable]

if jim pranked mike more and did less harmful pranks on dwight i would not hate him as much or if he slowed them down or you know ony did it when dwight provoked him on screen in a bad way then i would buy it...

[@rickylafleur9855]

like a human being

[@wolfstroke8508]

He doesn't pretend to be normal, he's just one person and no one from the office is the good guy in the story anymore, they're just people doing their job

[@legoyoda9782]

@@rickylafleur9855 Not at all

[@jovanym2931]

honestly i think oscar is the most normal in the office

[@ilovekokoro2349]

nah, i think Erin is she’s just naturally Quirky and cute

[@jovanym2931]

• R e m yy• • Erin is too dumb to be Normal

[@ilovekokoro2349]

Jovany Marquez But Oscar is a rude know-it all who thinks he’s this smart genius, *n o r m a l* people don’t think this most of the time- none of them are normal i guess

[@jovanym2931]

• R e m yy• • I mean yeah they are real people in a sense with flaws too but Erin is too naive and kind of dumb tbh is kinda weird

[@ilovekokoro2349]

Jovany Marquez Well, she is naive and i guess she’s kind of dumb but, she’s young! Well, when i think about it more nobody is normal and everyone has something wrong with them 🤔

[@caitlinchristian1435]

This is super personal to say but I was in a "Karen" position once, and this dude I was SUPER into basically used me as a distraction from the girl he actually liked. This crushed me and watching the scene where he tells Karen he still has feelings for Pam felt like a punch in the gut tbh. I never liked Jim because of this, it just made him such a villain in my eyes

[@emmanuelmondesir1314]

It sucks to be a rebound but I think that Jim actually liked Karen, just not as much as he loved Pam and he did break up with her before going out with Pam.

[@DeadInside-ct6dl]

I personally think he was undecided because he actually thought he'd stay in Stamford.

[@samueljackson315]

Karen seemed really nice and fun. I'd love to go out with someone like her.

[@putridmoldyman306]

Having a rebound doesnt make you a villain

[@milacruz3970]

@@putridmoldyman306 Well...

[@Sebastian-jr3cf]

Michael and Dwight are a better couple than Jim and Pam

[@derek2678]

Facts.

[@donkeykong4983]

Stalin’s Mustache lol yup

[@Hakari1112]

Stalin’s Mustache facts

[@silloweet]

Michael Dwight and Andy shit all over Pam and Jim

[@ilovekokoro2349]

Jim and Pam are Toxic, i ship Jim and Karen ☺️.

[@millie3065]

i know michael is supposed to be the dumb annoying character but honestly hes my favorite

[@evanweaver1060]

mangocrepe he’s dynamic. He and debatably Dwight change for the better. Jim and Pam change for the worse.

[@millie3065]

Evan Weaver 1 month late but you're so right. jim and pam progressively got worse throughout the show

[@TheFlash-sc5tc]

They started to realize at the end

[@javo6375]

mangocrepe hes actually one of the main characters and fan favorites

[@Hakari1112]

Facts

[@hazleemouse1834]

Dwight made this video

[@billjamal4764]

Hazlee Mouse I was about to say the same thing

[@handsomesquidward5160]

M I C H A E L!

[@tuesdaysagenda9530]

You forgot to add “great.”

[@kendramiller8419]

Lol!

[@razkable]

dwight is the hero of the series..everyone else exists to hurt him

[@emiliocamachoerice6380]

The office characters are all morally ambiguous

[@gcg8187]

No bro, gym is always acting like he's the cool normal guy, but have you seen the way he talks to everyone else at the office except for Pam? He's arrogant and condescending just watch the show and you'll see, Dwight is annoying and whatever, but he's not being sold to us as cool or whatever he's being sold the way he is which is annoying.

[@thaifood5240]

I dont understand i thought that the moral conflicts between the characters as they question their own choices was the chaotic charm of the show

[@gcg8187]

@@thaifood5240 that interesting because I always felt the show was telling me as a forced narrative, "look at how cool and normal gym is compared to most of these other ppl". What do u think?

[@thaifood5240]

@@gcg8187 i guess its up to interpretations idk

[@gcg8187]

@@thaifood5240 yeah that's how I interpreted it, with his face always looking at the camera with some incredulous expression, always making fun of everyone except him and Pam, the normal ones that we are supposed to like

[@golu_badbola]

Snow fight between Jim and Dwight in Classy christmas was my favorite moment of their whole office rivalry arc. The terrified look on Jim's face when he destroys all the snowmen in parking lot at the end was soo satisfying.

[@redfyresasoiaf]

It was but at the same time Dwight ASSAULTED him, intending to hurt him, a few times before that...Jim at that point had only been annoying/trickery, never intending to hurt. That was f-cked up on Dwight's part (the assault, not the induced-paranoia) to me, just gonna say.

[@death3678]

StarDust Stables so trying to get Dwight fired is just a joke if you truly think that you need to revaluate your priorities in life also he threw the fist snow ball which is also assault and when he put the stapler in the jello that wasn’t just a joke that was damage to either company or personal property all in all Jim is very lucky he has never been takin to court on these subjects or harassment in general.

[@elif7687]

StarDust Stables Dude Jim threw the first snow ball there could've been a pebble in there Dwight could've died!

[@tn5074]

@@redfyresasoiaf Dwight is CLEARLY on the spectrum and doesn't understand social norms. Jim in the norm who takes this piss out of the man who clearly has elements of asperges..... Jim is weird I wouldn't want him as a friend

[@razkable]

i wish dwight around season 6 had another moment like that where he could let loose on jim...and just hurt him...he kinda pissed me off with his smugness in late season 5 and season 6......dwight always thought of the company first and got hated on for it but everyone else gets all these higher ranked jobs while slacking off and are seen as the good guys while the show tries to paint angela mike and dwight as bad people for conflict and drama and tension and make them bad people too in social ways not company ways to balance it out and make you root for terrible people like jim and pam..the show paints jim as a winner when he moves to stamford...or when he hurts the company during the buyout and choosing not to be manager due to lower salary even if it hurts the company and then in the end supposed giving the manager job to dwight despite pam selling their house like 2 eps later so in the end hes not staying anyways to work under him so its not a real sacrifice ...i hate shows that do that...jim becomes the white knight....dwight is seen as fortunate...angela sucks but gets rewarded for it cause she gets humbled...pam never learns anything.....this is why i hate this show..and mike using dwight and his pride always bothered me...

[@miguelmagana8244]

To be perfectly honest, I’m barely in the middle of season 5, and my least favorite characters are Jim and Pam because it feels like they put themselves on a higher pedestal than everyone else. I don’t like that.

[@horrorherald]

To be honest that's like very character on the show

[@ObitoUchiha-ck6kx]

Yeah same here

[@remaocasio]

Exactly

[@praiseprince_]

Same

[@earthling03]

Couldn't agree more with you.

[@Erasers17]

You bring up some really great points. I've never connected the dots that Jim is a homewrecker. He knew Pam was in a serious relationship and still went after her. I also feel like a lot of his pranks went too far, like he was only doing it cause he found Dwight annoying. Dwight's actions are more retaliation than aggression

[@0005wai]

Well I knew right away he was home wrecker from first watch in season 1-2. And I hated him from there. More like I find him really creepy from the start. Because trust me when you are in relationship with someone and there’s this one guy who calls himself “a friend” but always trying to be around you and being touchy with you it’s freaking disgusting even if that guy is attractive. Because that’s just a disgusting behaviour from a person who don’t know when to give up and trying to get his way without caring about other person relationship status. It doesn’t feel ok to be around people like that kind of creep. And of course all his dumb pranks and the way he thinks he’s good guy when he’s just some slacker and loser also annoy the heck out of me. And also Pam, my god the fact that she doesn’t even know who she wanna sleep and flirting with another guy while she’s in relationship annoys me too.

[@wolfstroke8508]

maybe you didn't pay attention to the series but that's not how things went -Jim is not a home breaker since the relationship that Pam had with Roy was not as you said she was not happy and her marriage proposal had been about 3 years and he just walked away from her Rebuilding her life by going to another job being something very healthy she was the one who broke up with Roy for various reasons -dwigth He is not a saint either, he only makes funny jokes and not as cruel as you think he deserves age standards for everything he does

[@KatieSteedArt1]

​@@wolfstroke8508um Pam should have left Roy if she wasn't happy. It's that simple. And she absolutely cheated. When Michaels training deangelo he says Jim and Pam started as an affair - because it absolutely did. And everyone knows Michael can't lie. He has no filter.

[@wolfstroke8508]

​@@KatieSteedArt1It was a kiss that I do not justify but that did not make Pam leave him since it was only a farewell kiss and when Pam wanted to go back with Roy she knew that it was not going to work even though Jim was dating Karen

[@KatieSteedArt1]

​@@wolfstroke8508she cheated end of. Also sounds like you're trying to justify it by saying it was a goodbye kiss. Smdh. If you're not happy in a relationship and you can safely leave. Leave. Don't cheat.

[@earthling03]

Remember the time Michael and Jim became Co- manager and Jim really really sucked. People started resenting him nearly after just few hours of being a manager. That's how inefficient he is as a manager. He's good in sales but not at managing people but he thinks so highly of himself and it really pisses me off.

[@Pancake3225]

Honestly, Jim is my least favorite character on the show of the originals. I cannot stand his vanity, smug nature and how he and Pam act like they are above their co-workers. Are their co-workers screwed up? Yes, but so are they. I just find Jim boring on his own.

[@issaknife802]

yeah i agree

[@wolfstroke8508]

They do not think they are normal, they have never said something self-centered, they only react in the way we all had if we saw something crazy and

[@MoochoSawesomeo]

I agree with this, but also Season 9 Jim is the worst Jim of them all

[@_the_rizzler]

@Liam Kibby How? She was being pretty reasonable & keep in mind that Jim is my favorite character

[@shiznit9142]

She was being reasonable?? So when SHE wanted to go to New York and pursue her dreams jim stood behind her. Same when she just dipped with Michael to start a company of his own....but when he goes after an amazing career in philly suddenly everything falls apart...

[@_the_rizzler]

@@shiznit9142 Tbf, neither of those times were they married & had children. They were able to take more risks then. And they didn't have a house when she went to NY. But with the Michael Scott Paper Company, when they did own a house, she still was there every day. When you're not married, you're allowed to make your own decisions. When you're married, have 2 kids, own a house, & take a job that's outta town with no actual end in sight... you both have to be on board. They agreed not to. He then went behind her back. And she was still cool about it, that was made clear. But when he spent $10,000 (even though they agreed on it, it wasn't needed money for the company), that started screwing things up. Plus, his apartment was another expense on them when Dunder Mifflin was only paying him part-time & Athlead wasn't paying him all that much yet. He made all these big decisions without her that would also be affecting her life. So, she had every right to be mad. In the end, Jim's still my favorite character, but he definitely was in the wrong here. Pam could've handled things a little better, but Jim handled things worse. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk

[@Iris-bh5ib]

Shiznit 91 is okay for Jim to want his dream job the problem is the lying to Pam about the job, the investment, the moving to philly. He also has a lot of fun while pam is suffering and trying to do everything she can to help her family survive. Also he gets mad at the videotape she couldn’t film? I’m sorry if she’s stupid but she wanted a happy moment with him when she called him and all he could do was blame her for him not being with his daughter

[@jon2067]

Andy once told Jim something among the lines of "you take the things that a person cares about and you make them feel insignificant and useless with your stupid jokes". Not the exact quote b7t something like that.

[@KatieSteedArt1]

I know which quote your talking about but I can't place the episode (maybe Christmas wishes) but I'll bet Jim does a :S face at the camera 🤮

[@elizalynn227]

i know these are old comments but i’m pretty sure this is from the Gettysburg episode

[@faithmiranda1614]

ok i see your point but i feel that the whole point of jim being flawed etc is relevant as the show itself embodies humanity in its rawest purest form. therefore including traits of jealousy, selfishness, etc.

[@Scyllax]

Faith Miranda Jim is a sociopath.

[@Hidden1000]

@@Scyllax toby is just the worst

[@LugerFooger]

@@Scyllax Pam is a human piece of garbage.

[@DanteInf07]

Clearly you missed the point and tried to cover his flaws with “but everybody does it”

[@SimBol1216]

Except they try to portray Jim as the "good guy" in contrast to everyone else.

[@Hakari1112]

Idk why I started to dislike Jim and Pam more and more after my 2nd and 3rd viewings anyone else too???

[@iswish_41]

Ivann F absolutely

[@boatboystrackclub6528]

I think it is because the humor decreases every time you watch so you have more time to read deeply into each situation.

[@tylerlions8134]

same. i literally have been a huuuge fan of the office and have seen the entire series like 5 times. and and i started to think if i was working at dunder mifflin, i'd be annoyed by jim. it's like he portrays the a-hole prankster and the morally correct person all the time, and you can't have both. and i'm starting to think he's just annoying now.

[@justainternetwonderer1273]

Honestly I didn’t pam but i hated jim alot sometimes he was jerk

[@archiesymonds2959]

No

[@internetgal38]

If jim looked like dwight people would hate him

[@KatieSteedArt1]

I dislike Jim and Pam and I'mma go out on a limb here by saying I actually don't think John Krasinski is that good looking. He has a weird goiter neck/chin and a bulbous nose. Is he the best looking of the lot? Ehhhh I still don't think so. Steve Carell and Ed Helms and Creed Bratton are higher on the list than Jim for me. Gabe even. I think he just pulls of smarmy smug so much better than the other guys that auditioned..

[@wolfstroke8508]

Well, I liked Dwigth but you made him so unpleasant to me because of how you make him the victim.

[@emmanuelmondesir1314]

Also the Jim look after Andy punch the wall isnt a joke. Its Jim considering that he may have went too far.

[@Dummerbrella987]

Ask yourself. If Jim was 5'2", and ugly. Would you still think his actions are charming?

[@emmanuelmondesir1314]

@@Dummerbrella987 I dont find Tim, the original version to be either tall or pretty and yet his pranks are usually charming to me

[@thechallenger752]

Emmanuel Mondesir Jim isn’t Tim.

[@emmanuelmondesir1314]

@@thechallenger752 re-read the thread

[@KatieSteedArt1]

Jim did that prank KNOWING full well that Andy had an anger problem too. Andy could have got fired. All for Jim and Pam - they stole his property to make fun of him- yes that song was annoying but they could have just not called it and left him be- to laugh about it afterwards.

[@endbfududb]

The older I've gotten, the more I've come to detest Jim's character. Thought he was awesome when I was younger. I can't even give you a good reason. Just comes off as a pompous man above consequence.

[@thechallenger752]

I never liked him, I always rooted for Dwight.

[@kadenyama9130]

Rapideén I hate Jim but I love Pam. She’s really the only one that treated Micheal like a true friend...besides Dwight of course

[@housesavagemafia7504]

@@kadenyama9130 Exactly.

[@rosamy2017]

I don’t think Jim is the villain, I think he is flawed in a way a lot of people his age are. He shares a lot of his flaws with Pam, in that they are both scared to leave something they’re dissatisfied with for something they truly want, because they dislike risk. The difference is that Pam learns to be honest about what she really wants, and Jim does not. I don’t think Jim is more flawed than any real life human. He isn’t the Everyman character because he’s meant to be idolized, he’s meant to be relatable even when he hurts people.

[@ernestt8398]

I thought he acted kind of like a nice guy at the beginning making little remarks to Pam about her relationship and saying "well at least I didn't leave you at a high school hockey game" when Pam said they didnt have a date. He treated Karen kind of badly and left her in NY w.o a ride

[@1Rekuiem]

People get really riled up when you rustle their Jimmies.

[@marcc.3513]

I like how you note that the glances at the camera force us to identify with Jim, whereas we might not feel sympathetic to his character. Reminded me of the common device of how filmmakers make a female character more attractive by showing other men swoon over her. From the start, the Jim character reminded me of every jerk bully who is exactly how you describe. I would've liked you to focus on those points and examples more. Kind of got lost on some general theory there. Thanks though, I enjoyed it.

[@c.h.a.s.e.]

I just find him irritating because he is extremely passive aggressive and patronizing, so he doesn’t seem genuine. He seems to be trying too hard to be the normal guy, yet comes off that he’s trying way too hard to be the relatable one to get everyone on his side.

[@iswish_41]

I started hating him precisely on the S3 Ep. 9. I started hating Pam in season 1. Both are incredibly selfish and annoying. The problem is the people that only watched the show once and think that Pam and Jim are adorable.

[@razkable]

dwight remains the only likeable character...the only time hes kinda a douche is in stress relief...

[@KatieSteedArt1]

This. Multiple viewings make them worse and worse. And after CeCe was born there was NOTHING for them to do. They had no storylines so that had to keep self inserting themselves into others business (which remember they hated everyone doing to them). I believe after CeCe was born - Jim and Pam should have become side-characters and the lead "love story" should have gone to either getting a wedding for Andy & Erin rather than their on again - off again nonsense (and the boring plop) or actually building the romance between Dwight and Angela. I hate that we only get to see 3 episodes with them in love in the office openly before their rushed (in episodes) wedding. But nooooooo Jim ❤Pam and oh no they might break up oh no. J&P literally make my blood boil.😅

[@RealityCheck6T9]

@@KatieSteedArt1 J&P aren't great but the other couples you mentioned are awful

[@dwightschrute2112]

Fact. I 100% agree with every point made in this video.

[@emmanuelmondesir1314]

we dont talk about season 8 and 9 but like most character from the show, Jim is flawed but not unlikable.` the only unlikable character from S1-7 is Packer and thats his purpose.

[@stolencbscontent3233]

and toby

[@stolencbscontent3233]

@William Kibby and ronni (look up who she is if you have to

[@gram8121]

But packer is such an immoral degenerate that it makes him really funny and likeable

[@keyboardwarrior327]

Season 3 Andy was incredibly annoying and unlikable.

[@dramamine755]

andy as well just started later and lasted until s9

[@analogous666]

I hate how he thinks he's better than everyone at the office. Also he believed that he deserved the promotion even though he's not even the top salesman and is just a mediocre employee. The episode where he became the co-manager was so horrible. The only thing I hate about Jim and Pam is their sense of entitlement. I just loved when Robert California intimidated him in his interview and the snowball fight was so good.

[@razkable]

i hated how after the merger hes still assistant manager in seasons 3-5...wtf was that about

[@andreazevedo3059]

I honestly dont see what u guys see here. Jim wouldn't love Pam if she didnt love him back, which she did all along, even while being engaged to Roy. He kissed her but she kissed him back. There was smth always there and they both knew it. Regarding the job in Filadelphia, he had been in the same shit job for almost a decade, only Pam made him stay, but life isnt just marriage and he wanted more professional fulfilment than what dunder miflin gave him. You can argue that he did it the wrong way, but he thought he could make it work and he was determined to do it. Maybe he was thinking about himself first, but on the long run, it would also help his family. He's a person, he makes mistakes, doesnt mean he's a jerk and a "villian". If thats the criteria, most of us would be assholes too to be fair

[@JosephHMama]

I mean, Pam's liking him was a result of him flirting with her all day every day while she was engaged. We only justify this because Roy is a bit of a jerk. If we want to appeal to Jim being a flawed human being, though, then we have to do the same for Roy, and Roy is really one of the most human characters on the show. And once you get married, and especially when you're married with children, you should prioritize your family. Don't have a family if you don't want to prioritize them. "Gambling" (which was the most apt description to describe what he did) with your family's financial security like that is selfish and cowardly. Abandoning them and moving to a different city, even worse. If I remember correctly, he also still took a full-time salary from DM during this time, even though he was never there. He's also a major prick to Dwight, who is annoying at worst but a great and loving person not-so-far beneath the surface. Yeah, we see putting someone's stuff in gelatin or in a vending machine as funny pranks, but those are actually really horrible things to do to someone, and if Jim wasn't charismatic and charming we'd call it bullying.

[@xuantungnguyen9719]

I know iight? Thats why the show is close to reality. Characters learned and grew up. Jim finally stopped trivial petty pranks. And what about the moments when he and Dwight share emotional moments, the stairway scene in which Dwight cried?

[@strangeclaims]

_"most of us would be assholes too"_ Close but no potato.

[@sullivandmitry1416]

Josiah Bjorke yes but he didn’t take the job in Philadelphia specifically because he want better job it would make him more money and therefore create a better life for his family instead of a stuck in job in Scranton that’s why saying he abandoned her is false because he did it all for her she even dint want to take a job in Philadelphia because she couldn’t handle it basically making the situation harder on Jim

[@dramamine755]

filadelphia

[@ImAllisonWonderland]

Shows how talented Krasinski is to make Jim loveable. It WAS strange to buy that ring so early 😳

[@razkable]

the dynamic between jim dwight mike pam is so toxic...these 4 people should not be near each other...

[@RealityCheck6T9]

Why is that strange?

[@averageceratosaurusenthusi7328]

Jim wasn't using Karen to make Pam jealous. He literally was just trying to move on from Pam because Pam rejected him instead of staying stuck up on her, but he has problems moving on. He didn't even think that Pam was into him at all until Beach Day. He was just trying to move on from someone who (in his mind) didn't love him back

[@eduardomunhoz1581]

what's weird for me is that they actually acknowledge part of it, in that episode that everyone reads Toby's notes Jim says that his pranks were not as funny when said in sequence then he proceeds to do it way more and way worse than before that point

[@roundninja]

My favorite episode is the one where Jim gets punched. My second favorite is when Dwight hits him with a bunch of snowballs and knocks him down

[@RedDeadSpree]

Lol. this comment goes to show what a likable character he is

[@natedogg890]

I thought I was on an island hating Jim, thank you for making this

[@hamzakhalid2052]

Even though Jim can be jerk I still like him

[@KatieSteedArt1]

I know I'm late to the party but im so happy I found this video and your comment. I thought the exact same

[@mnaglich]

I'm not saying Jim's the best... but he's also not that bad. First, I don't remember Karen being brought over just so take make Pam jealous. He still had feelings for Pam, but it doesn't mean he was using Karen, at least initially. Also, consider Dwight and Michael have near abusive personalities... I don't see anything wrong with the prank. Lastly, Pam should have been supportive of Athleed. (side note she's the worst after maternity). Jim's job is a dead end, probably not going to last till they retire, and he loves the new one. Surely she could have lasted a little longer.

[@twigglybun4802]

The dislike ratio is nuts. They're just from fans who don't want to view their favorite characters critically

[@nxvasage2597]

Exactly, cant think for themselves and let emotions block their logic..

[@RealityCheck6T9]

I'm hardly a huge fan of the Office or Jim, but this video was absurd and pretentious.

[@alexf3036]

I agree. He's just a bully.

[@jongiovanna4242]

Dwight is literally the est character, I love John Krasinski but man is it easy to dislike him in this show..Especially later on when Jim goes to Philly. I wish he stayed in Stanford.

[@type2992]

Above all, let's not forget that Jim is BORING.

[@KatieSteedArt1]

I'm late to the party here (i hate Jim AND pam) but I'd like to just add why i hate Jim so much too. He's pretty terrible in most episodes but the ones where I literally have to skip them entirely is where he becomes a co-manager (the meeting & the promotion). He completely undermines Michael - inserts himself into private conversations, puts David Wallace on speaker phone, is aggressive with Michael, his colleagues and even random members of the public (you only need to see the deleted scenes for Scott's Tots for this) and remember Michael THINKS that they're friends when they've started separately that they absolutely detest the thought of spending time with him. Jim is jealous of michael's skills as a salesman and becomes so petty that he actually could have injured Michael in Koi Pond.. Michael calls him out on going over his head and Jim won't take it. Saying that he's a necessity and that Michael can't make a decision on his own - whilst Jim is also not able to make a decision (what does a bean mean?) His flawed belief that he could do the job better than Michael is why he got the job in the first place. Scott's tots (and I understand it's decisive) is one of my favourite episodes because Jim gets his. Well kindof. I hate that there are no repercussions and David Wallace is still pally with Jim. Dwight and Ryan's diabolical plan for the win. Again. I HATE Jim the entire way through from 1-9, but here is where i find him the most detestable. Actually just coming back to this - I i also hate hate hate him (and Pam) in customer survey. He takes Andy's mug. Which is actually so gross to me. (Shown later in the series when he's in Philadelphia Jim is shown to be an absolute slob so I wouldn't doubt that Jim just couldn't be bothered to clean his mug and found Andy's clean one.) And Pam wont let Andy use her mug whilst shes in new york. Let that sink in. Shes in new York and she could have taken her favourite mug with her, but Andy cant use it whilst her fiance uses his... Make them being "nice" people make sense to me. Yet in a later episode when Stanley equally obliviously drinks from Jim's mug - Jim is super offended. (The episode where Kevin dresses as Phyllis and Andy is naked can't remember the title right now). I also hate how aggressive Jim and Pam are with Michael. Remember when Stanley talked back aggressively "Did I Stutter?" and Toby wanted him fired.... Where was Toby when Jim was being aggressive with everyone?? Ryan should have fired Jim when he got the chance. Hitler, bin laden, & Jim - id shoot Jim twice.

[@RealityCheck6T9]

There being no repercussions is what the show's all about and it's what makes it so inferior to the UK original. While it has many hilarious moments, it's basically a cartoon. It's exasperating seeing Michael not only not get fired for his many violations but actually rewarded. Whatever Jim gets away with pales in comparison.

[@BasketCase420]

Thank you Jim does suck glad someone FINALLY acknowledges it

[@billjamal4764]

In my opinion, it seems more like Jim was trying very hard to get over Pam and be with Karen. He tried very hard to get done with Pam, but when he was actually trying, Pam kind of messed that up for him.

[@kendramiller8419]

Yep I agree. Pam always wanted Jim to act a fool over her but she wasn’t actually very interested in him as a person. Just wanted him to worship her.

[@1001010011001]

I use to love Jim & Pam the first time I watched The Office, but after countless rewatching, I've grown to dislike them so much. Jim more so than Pam, but they come as a package. Jim is smug and Pam is a pushover (she seemed like she was going grow/change but doesn't in the end). He stirs shit up with Dwight and Andy, and enjoys their (over)reaction and mental breakdown. They just make me so angry LOL. /rant

[@buck-yd1mn]

Olly S you just copied and pasted this comment from him is a psychopath

[@1001010011001]

So? Why would I need to rewrite my own comment if I just want to say the same thing in the different video/forum?

[@rexjackkreamer]

StRiKe jared oh shit, you just got schooled

[@JayyCee777]

StRiKe jared boom, roasted

[@randomdude189]

Olly S Pam is wayyyyyyyy worse than jim. Jim actually has skills in business and work ethic. Pam is just a naggy Bitch if a hypocrite

[@jackofalloff]

jim and pam got boring after there wedding

[@robloxvids2233]

I watched the show like a year ago for the first time ever and recognized Jim as an asshole bully really quick. Back in 2005 this wouldn't have been as obvious but he basically spends the entire show abusing an autistic guy (Dwight). There are many moments that show he's a sack of shit. Perhaps the most obvious is when Andy comes back from anger management and asks people to call him Drew and Jim just refuses. For no other reason than he knows it will drive Andy nuts and that makes him feel powerful. Or lying at the dinner party to try to ditch Pam and leave her by herself because he's so lacking of human feeling that he literally can't wait for his food. Anyone who was bullied as a kid instantly recognizes Jim Halpert is a bully.

[@fitz8923]

Jim is the moral beacon? I always thought it was Creed. That's who I identify with anyway.

[@geenhaaien]

I like Jim (sometimes) but I would hate to work with him because he comes across as a jerk, yeah roy didn’t deserve pam but he flirted with an engaged woman and constantly belittles dwight and michael and when he’s the odd man out he doesn’t know what to do

[@brycejprince]

This was well put together. I don't agree with some of your conclusions, but great job on the video.

[@gnargnar64]

Bryce Prince Thank you! I didn't expect it to be as inflammatory as it is (or to get any views), but I appreciate that. It was a lot of fun to make

[@Dummerbrella987]

Ask yourself. If Jim was 5'2", and ugly. Would you still think his actions are charming?

[@brycejprince]

@@Dummerbrella987 did I say that? My comment says "I don't agree with some of [his] conclusions." It would take a whole video of my own to really flesh it out but I really like Jim as a character because he's fairly flawed, but I don't think those flaws destroy him as a character. He's not charming to me, but always interesting for a case study.

[@RealityCheck6T9]

It wasn't well put together. The audio levels on the voice were too low and it was poorly enunciated, and he spoke too fast. This didn't help to follow all this abstract academic theory, which was hardly necessary in the first place.

[@MolassesCandy]

Jim is like one of my favorite characters, but the points you brought up were very interesting seemed well researched/thought out. Nice vid, fam.

[@plumenommershpadoinkle7575]

Wish there were more people like this on youtube lol. So many ppl at eachothers throats in this comment section bc i guess 2 opinions cant exist at the same time

[@shardell]

People root and relate to Jim because he's a relatable guy. He's flawed, and that's what makes him believable. Like a real actual person. If he was always a good guy then nobody would care and he'd be a boring character. Complex characters are what makes The Office so good.

[@Dummerbrella987]

As a short ugly brown male, I could never see Jim as relatable. The truth of the matter is with how Jim acts, if he was short and ugly too nobody would thinks his pranks are funny. He'd just be annoying AF.

[@shardell]

Dummerbrella987 Dude, race and height and attractiveness has absolutely nothing to do about it. His morals are what anyone can relate to. He ain’t perfect, nobody is, and making him perfect would make him uninteresting. If you’re only looking externally, no wonder you can’t relate to him.

[@cgijokerman5787]

Complex characters portrayed as the "moral compass" by the producers is bad. Because it perpetuates the already toxic idea that you can be a dick, just like Jim, but if you're attractive and charming enough, you get away with it. A fine line between friendly pranks and straight up being an asshole, and unfortunately, Jim doesn't walk that line, he zigs zags. Then the show pretends he's nearly always in the right. And we're supposed to like a narcissist like that? Eww. I'm glad my psych classes are already coming in handy. The amount of people defending jim is honestly... Well, it makes sense why 2020 is the way it is, if you catch my drift.

[@shardell]

@@cgijokerman5787 Bitch your highschool psychology courses mean literally nothing, you are entirely clueless lmao. Also you got the character all wrong, and clearly missing the point of Jim and the show. Seriously if you want to talk about narcissism how about someone thinking they’re far more intelligent than everyone else because of a high school elective ffs. I’ve been through far more than just a few psychology classes, and let me tell you, you’re at the first part of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Do they teach that in your elective?

[@nithinrocks6252]

One thing i hated was during office olympics Jim acts and speaks the same way Michael would act in that situation yet the show treats it like it’s funny when he does it yet if Michael did it he’d be being a nuisance

[@_2oo7]

The episode where he was going over every one of his pranks on Dwight and how he was shocked was how I felt watching the show again, except, *MUCH* longer and more painful. He used Karren to make Pam jealous and he lied him himself about liking her and kissed Pam when she was engaged and she said she didn't like or even love him, even if this wasn't true, *this is still asult* . He doesn't care about his wife and kids. The show makes him look good by surrounding him with wierd and odd characters making him look like the good guy even though he's *NOT* . He makes things he likes that Pam doesn't like seem as if it's not a big deal. A few are putting in 10k into a company and buying a *house* without her knowledge. Hes a minipulater and a narcissist. The reason most people like him is because of how the camera portrays him. Some of his actions are so odd. For example, driving Andy to punching a hole in the wall and buying things on valentine's day posing as Bob Vance to make Pam jealous. Who the actual *FUK* does this? People see a hero and someone to look up to because hes the "normal" one. The relatable person to laugh with at the silly and goofy things that the office workers get into even though we ignore that hes the main problem. Hes more messed up than everyone else hes just a better lier. Pam is the mindless sponge that sucks up whatever Jim does. She is an unlikable person who has almost no good traits and who only follows his lead. He only wants her because of looks, doing what he does (pranks, love, and even work) and jealousy of Roy. He truly is a villain.

[@earthling03]

When I first heard Jim saying Pam gets him get through the day and Jim is a very emotional needy man, while he was pulling out one of his way out- of- the line pranks on Andy. I wondered is she your crutch and if she is that means you are not completely within yourself. And if you are not complete without her you are not going to be complete with her. There's a never something as the ONE, there's always someone but not the one and all the rom-coms put these stupid ideals in our heads are just delusional.

[@ZyroShadowPony]

I read this in reddit and i kinda agree. The younger you would probably relate more to Jim because you feel like you are almost like him, your present more mature self would dislike him because you kinda hated your younger self. Im just paraphrasing as i cant find ths old post but i hope the same point comes across

[@strangeclaims]

Here's the thing, mate. There aint no problem with jim being a jerk, but with the show protraying him as a saint. Like, thats wack.

[@piciperkuadrik4636]

What do you mean? He is so literally me.

[@thewayofthebeard3680]

I'm not a fan of Jim. He was such a bully to Dwight and did see himself better than the rest. Which is why the episode he's wearing a tux is so good lol. But I don't agree with you on the Pam stuff. Buying a house is amazing, he loved Pam and clearly she was leading him on and into him he can't control how he feels so not the best that he kissed her but circumstances, his Philly thing I don't think is bad. Nothing wrong with taking a chance and doing something to make moves in life. Like what are they saving the money for really? And I don't think he asked Karen to move. She was into him and took a chance.

[@sarai3286]

hey man, i love jim but it’s hella true.

[@andrewsutherland133]

I thought I was the only person who didn't like Jim. I'm seeing people make the excuse that Jim being flawed is what makes him so relevant, but that's not why I don't like him. I like Michael, dwight and even Ryan as characters. What I dont like about Jim is that he pretty much gets away with doing what he wants because he gets people to like him and usually when people do call him out on it, he manipulates it against them. I guess that's what irritates me about him, he's not intentionally flawed to show hes human, hes a manipulator who's projected throughout the series as the hero and with the other characters, they're negative traits are shown plainly. I'm not saying he doesn't have positive qualities, as hes always there for dwight, Michael and Pam when they need it, and I actually do consider times where he kisses pam and admits to Karen flawed human moments I can respect about the character. But my overall dislike of the character comes from doing whatever he wants and being backed up by everyone as the office favorite

[@razkable]

yeah..the show paints people in a negative tone like angela dwight roy and mike to make jim stand out as a good guy but it makes me hate him more..thats such a bad way to promote a show....he should not need that to look good

[@WiloPolis03]

I think he starts out as a jerk but slowly matures throughout a few seasons, like most major characters on the show

[@CinematicPenguin]

to be honest i always thought Jim was a great character especially considering how the other characters were, but yes Jim got better over time

[@ObitoUchiha-ck6kx]

He's my least favorite of the bunch

[@dezznutts1197]

Tornike Tvalchrelidze nah, she just finally feels comfortable with her feelings being expressed. She has been treated like shit through out the beginning of the show with her only containing it.

[@WiloPolis03]

@@dezznutts1197 You nailed it 👌

[@WiloPolis03]

Of course, the rest of the characters just have a stretched out internal crisis throughout the entirety of the show, until they finally lose it, like Kevin, Creed, Jan or Toby lol

[@MrDuck797]

Most people just disliked the video without watching it. Smh.

[@michaelmacias8]

Which one's Jim again?

[@texastuna7819]

This was a good video all the dislikes are all from jim making different google accounts

[@gnargnar64]

That definitely sounds like something he would do

[@RealityCheck6T9]

@@gnargnar64 think you have him confused with Andy.

[@dhimandeyus]

This video is the diabolical plan - Dwight and Ryan, worked on!!

[@tyreesehd7226]

people hate pam because she has normal people flaws most other people in the show have very obvious flaws but pam and Jim are made to look normal to highlight the craziness of people like Dwight and Micheal but normal people aren't perfect and whenever one of them do something wrong it's more surprising as you kind of see them as perfect compared to the other people in the office but their not perfect pam can be jealous, shy and insecure and Jim can be jealous and lazy even though overall he is good at his job which can be seen as relatable which is why they are my favorite characters and people who hate on pam might be seeing some of her flaws in themselves.

[@StermaPerma]

Thanks for making this. Not enough for people know the TRUTH. Jim fucking sucks so does Pam, they’re nice at first but become sarcastic hateful bullies over the seasons. Everyone else just loves their lives being assholes but they can’t help actually feeling better than everyone else. Like they actually think they’re the only sane and cool ones when they’re probably the least normal cuz their happiness completely depends on putting themselves on a pedestal. As shown by the athlead thing and Jim making massive mistakes just on the chance to put himself above everyone else.

[@nithinrocks6252]

Andy up to season 9 where they ruined him was the most likable protagonist in my opinion

[@KatieSteedArt1]

Saaaaaaaaaaaaaame (I kind of still like him in S9 - I have a theory about it but I'm not good at editing. Really want to do a vid on S9 Andy.) Andy is legit the sweetest and Jim is the worst.

[@jinsoulnoodles]

how did they ruin him in s9? people keep saying this and i don’t understand why, he didn’t do anything extremely bad

[@mihkailmrzin2256]

Jim, Pam, and Ryan those characters irritate me.

[@kenneth_mirez]

same here

[@598superchris]

The characters that irritate me are Andy and Angela.

[@auntbill8166]

I feel bad 'bout that like to dislike ratio

[@gnargnar64]

Ehh it's fine, I know the truth

[@brandonb9468]

Jim and Pam were insufferable after they started dating

[@peggysue1725]

I do like Jim but it's true that he thinks of himself as superior and he's hiding his childishness. I don't hate Pam at all tho, I don't really get why people do

[@sk8DEMON125]

Pam was flirting while she was married with two kids while jim full on simped for Pam, she tried to make him give up on his dream job and she sold their house without saying anything to jim when he bought it! And Jim never once complained when Pam was quit her job to make no money with micheal scott. Pam deserved to end up worse than Meredith

[@MCB741]

Thank you for addressing the fact that he kisses an engaged woman. Fucking makes me sick when people look at that as a sweet moment

[@jinsoulnoodles]

what, someone she engaged who she clearly didn’t like? they clearly had chemistry, she loved him back, she just didn’t know it yet, plus roy was abusive. it wasn’t unwarranted, he did it clearly because it was obvious she didn’t like him (roy) back, so you can’t really say that like her and roy were meant to be together when they weren’t

[@MCB741]

@@jinsoulnoodles No one is saying Pam and Roy were meant to be together, the main thing is cheating is wrong.

[@natalieps2387]

I hated jim & pam. They are so boring annoying mean and smug. Season after season they are just boring . Nothing there. I find pam like milquetoast & I hate Jim's smug attitude. One time pam annoyed me was when Nellie said maybe Jim's cheating & she smugly says no he just loves me too much. Ack. Jim was a creepy stalker & treated other women like crap or bought an engagement ring the week after dating . I am with you I hate jim hate pam & hate jim & pam & how fun they work together & are married I'm sorry that would get old real fast in a marriage . My brother met his wife at work & guess what after they started dating one decided to leave for a different job bc nobody could spend that much time together & they got married after that bc it got to be too much. Its unbelievable that a couple would stay happy & cutesy working together & going home together having kids together . Theirs no break.

[@thebig12conference73]

Jim was championed at the start of the show, as the loveable underdog but upon further review, Jim was just a big kid who never grew up, and he was the office bully. He would be unnecessarily mean to Dwight, a prankster, and was overall an unproductive person. Honestly the most normal people on the show were Oscar and Toby. Jim was one of the worst characters on the show and I don't understand why some people like him. They probably are office pranksters and goof offs and office bully's themselves.

[@razkable]

jim did save pam in season 5 with the buyout so...i never thought he was a villain in that respect...he gains motivation when hes with her to work harder...hes a villain with how he treats dwight like hes above him somehow...get over yourself jim

[@thesurvivorssanctuary6561]

The thing is, if Jim simply called Dwight out on his bad behavior, and left it at that, he'd absolutely be the hero! It's like, if Dwight were a murderer, or a low level criminal thug, Jim would go all Dexter on him; and then the audience would be told that Jim's the "hErO". Basically, Jim's pranks make him just as bad, if not worse then, Dwight at his absolute worst.

[@avery7578]

Uhm if Jim's a villain wtf is dwight. He had sex with an engaged woman multiple times. Killed her cat. Threw so many snowballs at jim it made him go paranoid. Dwight definitely abused his power threatening to fire jim. And many other things. Just cause you dont have to analyze to figure this out doesn't make his character any less villainous. And despite all of that I love dwight and jim! Calling them evil is plain stupid. You can make the argument for anyone. Like andy he treated Erin horribly for awhile

[@sebastianc2222]

Dwight is a piece of shit but the show doesn´t try to tell you he´s a good person like it does with Jim.

[@razkable]

typical..instead of understand the point you jim fans shed blame...the show makes you root for jim..and shows dwight mike and others like ryan as morally in the grey as more foils and entertaining characters ...jim is suppose to be above that and more real

[@Bubbles603]

I'm really sad this video has such a bad like to dislike ratio. I really do like Jim and all but I can see why people wouldn't like him because he is kind of a hypocrite. I feel as if he'd be less popular if he were like...unattractive? Like I doubt people would like him all that much if John Krasinski wasn't hot. Great video though

[@majorgrub1730]

This is true. You can get away with alot if you're good looking.

[@Bubbles603]

@@majorgrub1730 Pretty privilege baby

[@598superchris]

@@majorgrub1730 I know. People are shallow and stupid.

[@lexifallon6232]

PS Jim saved pam from a abusive relationship with that kiss.

[@Batman-ro3mk]

Oh really? If Pam was uncomfortable with that relationship, why couldn't she just say that she's uncomfortable? I mean, she DID say it DAYS before her and Roy's wedding, why did Pam suddenly grow a couple only before the wedding? Also, what Jim did was a sexual assault, because he literally went to kiss her after she said NO with disappointment on her face

[@KatieSteedArt1]

Roy was emotionally lacking. I think a lot of men are. But I wouldnt say he was abusive. He just didn't understand Pam and Pam didn't understand him.

[@jbain4750]

Yeah, Jims done some shady shit on the show. I always felt bad for Amy Adam's character, and it always kinda seemed like the show wanted me to dislike her more than I did.

[@MilkLollipopShake]

Amy Adams? Hahaha

[@emmanuelmondesir1314]

dislike her? nah

[@paulwilliams1731]

Saying that the office is morally ambiguous isn't a valid argument against this video, or videos like it. It's a statement, just like the video states that Jim objectively isn't the best person. Assuming we all already know this, and you cant provide a defense for him, the video is putting into question why so many people might love Jim, when he's an asshole.

[@desiree610]

is it an unpopular opinion to say that angela and dwight had the best relationship throughout the series?

[@Hidden1000]

....she was sleeping with him while engaged to Andy....

[@razkable]

people miss cause its comedic and drama filled and not built up it just occurs but they are always having sex ouside of season 1 lol..every season

[@markoutwithmark]

Jim and Pam were both horrible humans. They deserved each other, but the office didn't deserve their crap.

[@TechyPumperson]

I wouldn't say jim sucks. Yes some of his pranks go too far, I will say that, but the main reason he pranks Dwight is because Dwight can too often be full of himself, selfish, demanding, and a kiss ass. Jim is messing with Dwight to sort of give him a taste of his own medicine in a way, if that makes sense? Since Dwight are all the things i listed, jim puts him in his place sometimes. Though some pranks are over the top and can be considered bullying. I remeber an episode where jim walks up to Dwight without him noticing and when jim calls for Dwight he flips out and cowers (Idk of I spelt that right). Jim was selfish to date karen even though he still loved pam but the stamford branch was already moving to scranton so I dont think he used Karen to make pan jealous. Jim did kind of ghost pam in a way when kares was in their presence but i think it was him trying to get over or at least suppress his feelings for pam. And lastly the Philly situation. Jim talked to pan about the investment and they agreed on 5-10k. So pam knew that's the ballpark him was looking at to invest. Pam handled that horribly. She was rude as hell instead of having a simple talk with jim. All in all this video was well put together but I dont agree with your points on jim. Great video though! I can tell you put a lot of effort into this and I appreciate that. You should continue with these video essays, would love to hear your thoughts on other topics! Keep up the good work man 💚

[@legoreemv]

I don't agree with the qualities you listed about Dwight but he can be a lot to handle for other reasons. Part of this though is due to Dwight suffering from a lot of stress in his life, caused by the fact that he actually works hard, is loyal to his superiors, and has to take care of Mose. (The show never says this but I would hypothesize that Mose suffers from a mental disorder (maybe autism) that causes him to require extra care. I would also say that Dwight suffers from a slight anger issue. Even disregarding all of these things about Dwight, Jim's constant, increasingly severe, and mentally tormenting pranks are not warranted just by Dwight being annoying sometimes. Edit: Dwight also reveals in the episode where he's trying to figure out who was taking an anxiety pill that he suffers from severe anxiety.

[@TechyPumperson]

Damn I didnt think about the anxiety med episode. Dealing with mose probably woulld be a bitch. I guess I see where most of his problems come from now. Thanks for tbe enlightenment man 👍

[@dannyjosh6838]

Great video, man! Something was always off about Jim to me, and you summed up pretty much all my feelings on him.

[@gnargnar64]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it

[@baxy219]

He gave up his dream career for Pam tho and only wanted her in return

[@Scyllax]

Dwight is not morally ambiguous. He’s autistic, and Jim, the sociopath, finds him an endless victim for his bullying.

[@sugarhoneybee2979]

He is quite rude to other characters. Jim handles it badly but Dwight definitely behaves in a way that is unfair to his colleagues

[@swistian]

Great vid. Thanks for the works cited portion!

[@gnargnar64]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@princessadrigirl6774]

I literally could not stand his Philadelphia storyline at all. It’s like the writers just took a giant shit on his character. I think it could’ve been okay, if done properly, but he kind of came off as an asshole going through a midlife crisis and commitment issues. I was half expecting him to walk out on his family or cheat- which never should’ve seemed likely for him. The whole show lead up to their relationship and then it gets thrown away right at the end? Makes it all feel like wasted time

[@DukkyMC]

😂😂 Did anyone else try to click "skip intro"?

[@drewc2492]

Greg *Smith* is my favorite writer ever.

[@Sagegabs]

Well... IMO Pam is even worse than Jim because at least Jim has something to offer as a character and sometimes he is a cool guy, but Pam... no, Pam is the worst.

[@logangordy9225]

Most of the bad things you said about Jim were false. He didn't force Karen to move to Scranton, their branch was already moving, and he didn't ditch Pam and the two kids for Philly he talked to her about it

[@madisongrube51]

He led Karen to believe that Pam wasn't an issue at the time of Karen's moving while he still had feelings for her that he was diffusing and he didn't talk to Pam about Philly until he had already made up his mind rather than making her part of the decision-making process... but go off

[@awesomezilla]

@@madisongrube51 actually it was never brought up during the moving proccess, he didn't trick her

[@jabbawookeez01]

Just finished the office for the second time... And man did I realise how bad the show is

[@paulrose5775]

When he stopped Dwight from entering the room when Robert was about to tank the Sabre store idea and fire him Jim saved Dwight’s career the one thing that is nearest and dearest to Dwight. Tell me, would a man who’s soul purpose was to torment Dwight do that, and if I seem to recall correctly Jim also dropped athlead after he realized how much it was hurting Pam. When he told Pam how he felt it was his last ditch effort before he had to fold, since it didn’t pay off he had to leave, he found Karen and tryed to make things work but because he got transferred back to Scranton e felt closer to his first love and pulled away from Karen. It is not his fault that he was transferred back. The house was a sweet surprise and if Pam didn’t like it Jim would have backed out of it just like he backed out of athlead.all in all he did do some bad things but I think what he did in the aforesaid mentions redeems him as a good person. If you can only see bad in people you Will never find a good person. If you diss agree then I couldn’t care less.

[@death3678]

Paul Rose so basically I can harass someone for years and then do a few nice things and be off the hook? Nice to know

[@theedgera2877]

@@death3678 Dwight wasn't a blameless innocent soul and Jim was clearly just flawed but not terrible

[@KatieSteedArt1]

I think you'll find that it was PAM who convinced Jim to go back and "save" Dwight. If Jim hadn't of spoken to her. Dwight would have been fired. Jim only thinks about himself.

[@JesusIsAMoose]

He kisses Pam because he has the chance to go to a new job and he decides to shoot his shot to see what happens and if he should stay. Then he dates Karen and they end up having to move to Scranton and despite still having feelings for Pam I don't think that he ever used Karen to make Pam jealous. He just wanted things to work with Karen but eventually when faced with the chance to move onto a new life with a new girl he decides he wants Pam instead because the timing for them was finally right. I don't think he used Katie to make Pam jealous either. Then when it comes to Athlead, it was something he was finally passionate about and he wanted to live the perfect life above anything else, but when what he wanted went against what Pam wanted he ultimately decided that she was more important. Jim can definitely be a jerk and unlikable and obviously flawed, but I think OP focuses on all the wrong things about this character because he doesn't fully understand him.

[@razkable]

the pam kiss is on her..she should of known..she learned in the secret he liked her...why is she shocked by it?..smdh naivety at its worst

[@JosephHMama]

I hope you keep at it at this KZbin stuff man! Great work!

[@acausedes]

why are you booing him he's right